It's just a rumor or speculation that i've heard and i wanted to tell to you
Actually Intel isn't the biggest Phone processors seller and the few Intel-Powered Smartphones are running Android but i think that will change. Why? Because Intel and Microsoft have a very good relationship, Windows 8 will boost the sells of Windows Phone devices and there's another rummor that Windows 8 devices will be based on NT kernel. Mix all this information and i think you'll get the answer.
What do you think?
IvoFajardo said:
It's just a rumor or speculation that i've heard and i wanted to tell to you
Actually Intel isn't the biggest Phone processors seller and the few Intel-Powered Smartphones are running Android but i think that will change. Why? Because Intel and Microsoft have a very good relationship, Windows 8 will boost the sells of Windows Phone devices and there's another rummor that Windows 8 devices will be based on NT kernel. Mix all this information and i think you'll get the answer.
What do you think?
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Windows 8 is based off the NT Kernel. Chances are desktop builds will be compiled for x86, tablet builds will be built for ARM (you can read numerous articles on the internet).
The NT kernel is processor-independent
It's already a while ago, but once Windows NT was available for X86, Alpha, MIPS and PowerPC - four different CPU architectures. The Windows NT kernel is and always was processor-independent.
The step now from X86 / X64 to ARM is smaller than many people think. Anyway, I think Microsoft is pretty free to run any version of Windows it wants on both CPUs.
And about that especially good relationship between Intel and Windows: That may have its best days already in the past. Intel can't like much Microsoft's ARM adventures, and likewise Microsoft eyes Intel's Linux excurses with a sharp eye.
Intel Atom Ivy Bridge seem to be legit , lol...
Hey guys
I love its design,but I know windows RT does not support X86 apps. This is my concern.Compared to app store, windows market sucks.I recently learnt that there is a way to root windows RT and make it launch x86 apps. Did anyone try? Can I launch full version chrome or XBMC on rooted windows RT?
Alexsandra said:
Hey guys
I love its design,but I know windows RT does not support X86 apps. This is my concern.Compared to app store, windows market sucks.I recently learnt that there is a way to root windows RT and make it launch x86 apps. Did anyone try? Can I launch full version chrome or XBMC on rooted windows RT?
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First of all, this belongs in Surface General, not RT development. Secondly, there is a thread where you can see what apps have been tried, and how they worked (don't expect much at all right now): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2095934 also realize that development is ongoing. There is also a thread for native app ports: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2092348
I personally recommend the Surface very much if you are a student (Office is preloaded) and don't NEED to run any desktop apps, like Photoshop. Go for it!
C-Lang said:
First of all, this belongs in Surface General, not RT development. Secondly, there is a thread where you can see what apps have been tried, and how they worked (don't expect much at all right now): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2095934 also realize that development is ongoing. There is also a thread for native app ports: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2092348
I personally recommend the Surface very much if you are a student (Office is preloaded) and don't NEED to run any desktop apps, like Photoshop. Go for it!
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Thanks. I am not a student. I just want to try a new style stuff. I own a iPad2,but you know it doesn't work like a real laptop.
Alexsandra said:
Did anyone try? Can I launch full version chrome or XBMC on rooted windows RT?
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Estimated x86 performance is about 0.1Ghz. Microsoft DOS era basically. So no, chrome and XBMC will not work via x86 emulation. Notepad or something along the lines of the original doom *may* work.
The jailbreak does not allow running of x86 programs. It allows running on 3rd party applications on the desktop of which just one is an x86 emulator.
Your best hope is for chromium (open source builds of chrome) or XBMC to be ported to RT natively. Chromium is definitely being worked on but has a huge list of dependencies and is an incredibly complicated piece of software believe it or not. XBMC I honestly have no idea if anyone is working on that, it also has a horrific list of dependancies I think.
x86 emulation on RT is awesome but your best bet is for people to release native ARM builds for applications and they will be far and few in between. If you dont want to wait for that then look at an intel atom powered tablet running full windows 8.
Surface
SixSixSevenSeven said:
Estimated x86 performance is about 0.1Ghz. Microsoft DOS era basically. So no, chrome and XBMC will not work via x86 emulation. Notepad or something along the lines of the original doom *may* work.
The jailbreak does not allow running of x86 programs. It allows running on 3rd party applications on the desktop of which just one is an x86 emulator.
Your best hope is for chromium (open source builds of chrome) or XBMC to be ported to RT natively. Chromium is definitely being worked on but has a huge list of dependencies and is an incredibly complicated piece of software believe it or not. XBMC I honestly have no idea if anyone is working on that, it also has a horrific list of dependancies I think.
x86 emulation on RT is awesome but your best bet is for people to release native ARM builds for applications and they will be far and few in between. If you dont want to wait for that then look at an intel atom powered tablet running full windows 8.
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Or go with a Surface Pro and you can have everything you want
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Your best hope is for chromium (open source builds of chrome) or XBMC to be ported to RT natively. Chromium is definitely being worked on but has a huge list of dependencies and is an incredibly complicated piece of software believe it or not. XBMC I honestly have no idea if anyone is working on that, it also has a horrific list of dependancies I think.
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XBMC requires a number of libraries that only build with GCC.
forget about it
I have already given up RT device after I read your replies. It looks like that Surface pro is my best option,but it doesnt have slim body and long-lasting battery(compared to iPad,it sucks). I dont think of any atom device due to its poor performance. Hoping one day surface pro could be a amazing device that owns slim body and long-lasting battery and high performance.
Atom CPUs will generally perform similarly or slightly better than ARM ones (iPads, incidentally, use ARM, as does Windows RT). I believe there are benchmarks that you can use to compare the performance of different tablets, including the iPad and various Atom models, if performance is such a concern to you.
Alexsandra said:
I have already given up RT device after I read your replies. It looks like that Surface pro is my best option,but it doesnt have slim body and long-lasting battery(compared to iPad,it sucks). I dont think of any atom device due to its poor performance. Hoping one day surface pro could be a amazing device that owns slim body and long-lasting battery and high performance.
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You could definitely go with an atom device. They will have enough power for everyday tasks (unless you use something like PhotoShop). Also I've seen videos and benchmarks, and it boots faster, and runs at about equivalent speed as Windows RT. Good luck in your search! :fingers-crossed: Oh, and the best thing you could do is walk into a Microsoft store and try everything out! :good:
Even the cedar trail atoms seem pretty competitive performance wise with my 5 year old laptop (which does get the usual disk cleanups, defrags and removal of any bloat I find etc). Let alone the clover trails in these windows 8 tablets. Took my laptop round a mates to compare with his netbook, found that the cedar trail was universally slower which was obvious but by surprisingly negligible amounts. Minecraft had a 2fps difference, Visual studio for the same solution file took 0.2 seconds longer to compile, boot times were identical, time to load a 5000 character open office document (same one of course) in libre office was immeasurably different.
1.6ghz dual core with hyper threading and 2gb of RAM vs a 2ghz intel celeron single core without any hyperthreading and 3gb of RAM (well, Its registered in windows as not having hyperthreading, there isnt a bios option for it either). Both were of course using the normal intel integrated graphics.
Honestly, people say that the atom is slow, celeron must also be slow (which it probably is, mine is 5 years old and was hardly cutting edge at the time).
Personally I am looking at getting an intel atom powered device, unless someone manages to release an i5 device with a decent battery at a low price which they won't, besides, I dont need that boost in power. Everything that does need that much power I can do on my desktop.
Any chance to port Linux4Tegra or other Linux distro w/ graphic acceleration to Pixel C?
I'm considering to buy a Linux-oriented tablet and noticed that NVIDIA Shield Tablet K1 had got Linux4Tegra R23.1 ported already
http://forum.xda-developers.com/shi...unning-ubuntu-natively-shield-tablet-t2985238
but since Pixel C has a more horsepower TX1 SoC and "Chrome OS gene" built in, I suppose it would be potentially a better choice?
This would probably work but the booting of it may be a little difficult since the Pixel uses CoreBoot/DepthCharge. I've been trying to get chroot linux to work but it refuses to mount the raw image for some reason. If we could get MultiROM working on this, along with native Tegra-optimized Linux and Android, that would be bad ass!
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some people have gotten gnu/linux working: http://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-c/help/installed-arm-linux-distro-arch-linux-t3271651
but my question is whether one of these distros like Debian will be able to take advantage of the Tegra, because I much prefer using Fedora than a special distro just for tegra
This project is great !
Does Windows On Arm, with access to arm and x86 instruction sets, enable a possibility of third party Android app emulation?
No
Can you elaborate a little bit, what is the biggest obstacle?
in theory if it runs x86 apps it could run an android emulator that already exist.
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In x86? really?
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amater100 said:
Does Windows On Arm, with access to arm and x86 instruction sets, enable a possibility of third party Android app emulation?
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Just ignore MrCego, he never contributes anything and just spams his delightful answers (like here "no") on every android/x86 emulation project on W10M.
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Microsoft is currently working on a new project to bring a full Windows experience to ARM devices using x86 emulation, although this project might first be focused on laptops and tablets the chances are high that they will support mobile devices in a later stage.
Using this project as android emulation with x86 software is not to far fetched seeing as there are lots of emulators at this moment for a Windows desktop.
The hardware though is another case because it needs to have enough processing power to go through 2 emulations but at the current rate this shouldn't be a problem for long.
Estimated release date: "The first devices running the full Windows 10 experience based on Snapdragon processors are expected to be commercially available in the second half of 2017."
Source:
https://www.pcper.com/news/Mobile/Qualcomm-and-Microsoft-bring-full-Windows-10-Snapdragon-devices
Lol, that's funny. Ignore me while other "Blue" people misinform.
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Can't see why not, microsoft could develop woa in a way that it would give direct access to hardware to android apps, something similar to wine. Open gl es and vulkan are built into snapdragons adreno so graphics api would be realistically even easier to make work than wine due to the open source nature of those apis. Snapdragon 850 emulating x86 architecture has passed the performance of native x86 code on celeron cpu's. Check project linda and microsoft continuum and glue the pieces togheter of what we could see soon
What does everyone think of Linux on Dex? Is it very useful? What kind of stuff do you use it for? I just got my Tab S4 and Linux on Dex is one of the things that picqued my interest in the device.
I would love to see more Linux development for the app. There is nothing I can think of off the top of my head that I would do with Ubuntu that I haven't been able to do sufficiently in Android 8.1. I am a massive fan of GNU/Linux but Ubuntu is my least favorite flavor lol and running it within android doesn't interest me. That is my personal feeling and maybe not helpful to anyone to share... But nonetheless true. I wonder what would happen if you tried to build Arch, and what this may do to reinvigorate Linux's integration of touch screen & tablet hardware. Watching this thread.