Does Windows On Arm, with access to arm and x86 instruction sets, enable a possibility of third party Android app emulation?
No
Can you elaborate a little bit, what is the biggest obstacle?
in theory if it runs x86 apps it could run an android emulator that already exist.
MrCego said:
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In x86? really?
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amater100 said:
Does Windows On Arm, with access to arm and x86 instruction sets, enable a possibility of third party Android app emulation?
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OFFTOPIC
Just ignore MrCego, he never contributes anything and just spams his delightful answers (like here "no") on every android/x86 emulation project on W10M.
ONTOPIC
Microsoft is currently working on a new project to bring a full Windows experience to ARM devices using x86 emulation, although this project might first be focused on laptops and tablets the chances are high that they will support mobile devices in a later stage.
Using this project as android emulation with x86 software is not to far fetched seeing as there are lots of emulators at this moment for a Windows desktop.
The hardware though is another case because it needs to have enough processing power to go through 2 emulations but at the current rate this shouldn't be a problem for long.
Estimated release date: "The first devices running the full Windows 10 experience based on Snapdragon processors are expected to be commercially available in the second half of 2017."
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https://www.pcper.com/news/Mobile/Qualcomm-and-Microsoft-bring-full-Windows-10-Snapdragon-devices
Lol, that's funny. Ignore me while other "Blue" people misinform.
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Can't see why not, microsoft could develop woa in a way that it would give direct access to hardware to android apps, something similar to wine. Open gl es and vulkan are built into snapdragons adreno so graphics api would be realistically even easier to make work than wine due to the open source nature of those apis. Snapdragon 850 emulating x86 architecture has passed the performance of native x86 code on celeron cpu's. Check project linda and microsoft continuum and glue the pieces togheter of what we could see soon
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Considering the CPU architecture (Tecra 3) would it be possible to get a port of Windows 8 running on it?
c_marius said:
Considering the CPU architecture (Tecra 3) would it be possible to get a port of Windows 8 running on it?
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I guess it would technically be possible to run Windows 8 (ARM) on it.
Assuming you mean Windows 8 OS and not Windows phone 8, It would be very unlikely as there are too many factors as to why this would not work. For starters the windows 8 kernel would need to be heavily modified in order to work on the HOX architecture, also which windows os relays on stock driver support in order for it to function so someone would also need to write drivers for the hardware support too.
It would be more likely possible to port Windows phone 8 since it is designed for phones in mind from the get go. Windows phone 8 is a heavily modified version of the windows 8 OS.
c_marius said:
Considering the CPU architecture (Tecra 3) would it be possible to get a port of Windows 8 running on it?
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Short answer No. Unlike Android Microsoft is not open source also you won't get source codes or Kernel sources etc. for the Devs to build one.
Well... although it's highly unlikely if Windows 8 is released and Tegra 3 is still the flagship CPU from NVIDIA the possibility of a port may increase slightly (Only if a Tegra 3 powered Win8 tablet is produced)
May be chances are higher side.
ShyamSasi said:
Short answer No. Unlike Android Microsoft is not open source also you won't get source codes or Kernel sources etc. for the Devs to build one.
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And probably illegal?
Guys, both Windows Mobile 8 and Windows RT (8) will be available for ARM processors, it's more a case of porting drivers than modifying the kernel. Of course we would need to develop a new bootloader to feed Windows 8 (mobile or not) device information the way it wants it.
Rekoil said:
Guys, both Windows Mobile 8 and Windows RT (8) will be available for ARM processors, it's more a case of porting drivers than modifying the kernel. Of course we would need to develop a new bootloader to feed Windows 8 (mobile or not) device information the way it wants it.
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Which would require s-off?
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This is android. We have freewill, free to modify, change and improve but we do not steal.
treebill said:
Which would require s-off?
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S-OFF would no doubt help make the solution more elegant, but it is certainly not necessary.
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S-OFF would no doubt help make the solution more elegant, but it is certainly not necessary.
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That is good to hear well either way you would need to have a windows 8 serial and that means buying it, these forums don't support that sort of stuff.
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It's just a rumor or speculation that i've heard and i wanted to tell to you
Actually Intel isn't the biggest Phone processors seller and the few Intel-Powered Smartphones are running Android but i think that will change. Why? Because Intel and Microsoft have a very good relationship, Windows 8 will boost the sells of Windows Phone devices and there's another rummor that Windows 8 devices will be based on NT kernel. Mix all this information and i think you'll get the answer.
What do you think?
IvoFajardo said:
It's just a rumor or speculation that i've heard and i wanted to tell to you
Actually Intel isn't the biggest Phone processors seller and the few Intel-Powered Smartphones are running Android but i think that will change. Why? Because Intel and Microsoft have a very good relationship, Windows 8 will boost the sells of Windows Phone devices and there's another rummor that Windows 8 devices will be based on NT kernel. Mix all this information and i think you'll get the answer.
What do you think?
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Windows 8 is based off the NT Kernel. Chances are desktop builds will be compiled for x86, tablet builds will be built for ARM (you can read numerous articles on the internet).
The NT kernel is processor-independent
It's already a while ago, but once Windows NT was available for X86, Alpha, MIPS and PowerPC - four different CPU architectures. The Windows NT kernel is and always was processor-independent.
The step now from X86 / X64 to ARM is smaller than many people think. Anyway, I think Microsoft is pretty free to run any version of Windows it wants on both CPUs.
And about that especially good relationship between Intel and Windows: That may have its best days already in the past. Intel can't like much Microsoft's ARM adventures, and likewise Microsoft eyes Intel's Linux excurses with a sharp eye.
Intel Atom Ivy Bridge seem to be legit , lol...
With Bluestack and the upcoming windowsandroid, in near future, windows can run android apps.
Will the Surface tablet then become the most popular tablet since it can run both native Windows applications and android apps?
source?
Frag1le said:
source?
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Source that windows can run android apps? Liliputing. Also downloaded blue stack and tested it myself on windows 7.
short answer: no.
long answer: windows rt != windows. While a modern pc has all the horsepower needed to emulate an ARM system, an ARM SoC doesn't really have the power to emulate anything (well, anything modern) so i don't think we will see windows rt run android apps anytime soon. Plus, there would be the "marketplace approval issue" and even then you would have no google play...
Braccoz said:
short answer: no.
long answer: windows rt != windows. While a modern pc has all the horsepower needed to emulate an ARM system, an ARM SoC doesn't really have the power to emulate anything (well, anything modern) so i don't think we will see windows rt run android apps anytime soon. Plus, there would be the "marketplace approval issue" and even then you would have no google play...
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Surface tablet runs windows 8, not windows 8 rt and has a intel chip, not arm. There is the surface rt tablet which is based on arm processor. And currently for both blue stacks and windows android, the google play market is accessible. Else u can always sure load apps.
linuxpuppy said:
Surface tablet runs windows 8, not windows 8 rt and has a intel chip, not arm. There is the surface rt tablet which is based on arm processor. And currently for both blue stacks and windows android, the google play market is accessible. Else u can always sure load apps.
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Microsoft is planning on releasing a Surface tablet thats x86 based. Its actually listed on there website rite now. The Surface RT IS the tablet based on ARM and any Windows RT install is ARM based and just saying the Surface RT has a Nvidia Tegra 3 processor. Blackberry tablets are able to run Android apps no problem. Running Windows apps and run Android apps shouldn't be a problem. Its just software.
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linuxpuppy said:
Surface tablet runs windows 8, not windows 8 rt and has a intel chip, not arm. There is the surface rt tablet which is based on arm processor. And currently for both blue stacks and windows android, the google play market is accessible. Else u can always sure load apps.
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no dude, surface runs windows RT and the upcoming surface pro will run windows 8.
your right, surface is arm so if they was the software it could run android app but it would be a lot better to run apps made for the surface. I like the surface over a android tab its just price is too high.
Bluestacks is an emulator. You can't expect things to work 100%.
I've used bluestacks and it is clunky at best. Sure it works on a pinch but I wouldn't buy non-android tablet and expect to run android stuff. Even if things do run perfect, emulation will take a toll on performance.
If you want an android tablet but an android tablet. The only way this will remotely work well is if we find ourselves a 10" HD2.
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Is android more powerful as compare to windows ?
What do you mean more powerful? Code is certainly not more powerful than other code... It could be claimed as more capable
Hey guys
I love its design,but I know windows RT does not support X86 apps. This is my concern.Compared to app store, windows market sucks.I recently learnt that there is a way to root windows RT and make it launch x86 apps. Did anyone try? Can I launch full version chrome or XBMC on rooted windows RT?
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Hey guys
I love its design,but I know windows RT does not support X86 apps. This is my concern.Compared to app store, windows market sucks.I recently learnt that there is a way to root windows RT and make it launch x86 apps. Did anyone try? Can I launch full version chrome or XBMC on rooted windows RT?
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First of all, this belongs in Surface General, not RT development. Secondly, there is a thread where you can see what apps have been tried, and how they worked (don't expect much at all right now): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2095934 also realize that development is ongoing. There is also a thread for native app ports: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2092348
I personally recommend the Surface very much if you are a student (Office is preloaded) and don't NEED to run any desktop apps, like Photoshop. Go for it!
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First of all, this belongs in Surface General, not RT development. Secondly, there is a thread where you can see what apps have been tried, and how they worked (don't expect much at all right now): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2095934 also realize that development is ongoing. There is also a thread for native app ports: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2092348
I personally recommend the Surface very much if you are a student (Office is preloaded) and don't NEED to run any desktop apps, like Photoshop. Go for it!
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Thanks. I am not a student. I just want to try a new style stuff. I own a iPad2,but you know it doesn't work like a real laptop.
Alexsandra said:
Did anyone try? Can I launch full version chrome or XBMC on rooted windows RT?
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Estimated x86 performance is about 0.1Ghz. Microsoft DOS era basically. So no, chrome and XBMC will not work via x86 emulation. Notepad or something along the lines of the original doom *may* work.
The jailbreak does not allow running of x86 programs. It allows running on 3rd party applications on the desktop of which just one is an x86 emulator.
Your best hope is for chromium (open source builds of chrome) or XBMC to be ported to RT natively. Chromium is definitely being worked on but has a huge list of dependencies and is an incredibly complicated piece of software believe it or not. XBMC I honestly have no idea if anyone is working on that, it also has a horrific list of dependancies I think.
x86 emulation on RT is awesome but your best bet is for people to release native ARM builds for applications and they will be far and few in between. If you dont want to wait for that then look at an intel atom powered tablet running full windows 8.
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SixSixSevenSeven said:
Estimated x86 performance is about 0.1Ghz. Microsoft DOS era basically. So no, chrome and XBMC will not work via x86 emulation. Notepad or something along the lines of the original doom *may* work.
The jailbreak does not allow running of x86 programs. It allows running on 3rd party applications on the desktop of which just one is an x86 emulator.
Your best hope is for chromium (open source builds of chrome) or XBMC to be ported to RT natively. Chromium is definitely being worked on but has a huge list of dependencies and is an incredibly complicated piece of software believe it or not. XBMC I honestly have no idea if anyone is working on that, it also has a horrific list of dependancies I think.
x86 emulation on RT is awesome but your best bet is for people to release native ARM builds for applications and they will be far and few in between. If you dont want to wait for that then look at an intel atom powered tablet running full windows 8.
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Or go with a Surface Pro and you can have everything you want
SixSixSevenSeven said:
Your best hope is for chromium (open source builds of chrome) or XBMC to be ported to RT natively. Chromium is definitely being worked on but has a huge list of dependencies and is an incredibly complicated piece of software believe it or not. XBMC I honestly have no idea if anyone is working on that, it also has a horrific list of dependancies I think.
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XBMC requires a number of libraries that only build with GCC.
forget about it
I have already given up RT device after I read your replies. It looks like that Surface pro is my best option,but it doesnt have slim body and long-lasting battery(compared to iPad,it sucks). I dont think of any atom device due to its poor performance. Hoping one day surface pro could be a amazing device that owns slim body and long-lasting battery and high performance.
Atom CPUs will generally perform similarly or slightly better than ARM ones (iPads, incidentally, use ARM, as does Windows RT). I believe there are benchmarks that you can use to compare the performance of different tablets, including the iPad and various Atom models, if performance is such a concern to you.
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I have already given up RT device after I read your replies. It looks like that Surface pro is my best option,but it doesnt have slim body and long-lasting battery(compared to iPad,it sucks). I dont think of any atom device due to its poor performance. Hoping one day surface pro could be a amazing device that owns slim body and long-lasting battery and high performance.
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You could definitely go with an atom device. They will have enough power for everyday tasks (unless you use something like PhotoShop). Also I've seen videos and benchmarks, and it boots faster, and runs at about equivalent speed as Windows RT. Good luck in your search! :fingers-crossed: Oh, and the best thing you could do is walk into a Microsoft store and try everything out! :good:
Even the cedar trail atoms seem pretty competitive performance wise with my 5 year old laptop (which does get the usual disk cleanups, defrags and removal of any bloat I find etc). Let alone the clover trails in these windows 8 tablets. Took my laptop round a mates to compare with his netbook, found that the cedar trail was universally slower which was obvious but by surprisingly negligible amounts. Minecraft had a 2fps difference, Visual studio for the same solution file took 0.2 seconds longer to compile, boot times were identical, time to load a 5000 character open office document (same one of course) in libre office was immeasurably different.
1.6ghz dual core with hyper threading and 2gb of RAM vs a 2ghz intel celeron single core without any hyperthreading and 3gb of RAM (well, Its registered in windows as not having hyperthreading, there isnt a bios option for it either). Both were of course using the normal intel integrated graphics.
Honestly, people say that the atom is slow, celeron must also be slow (which it probably is, mine is 5 years old and was hardly cutting edge at the time).
Personally I am looking at getting an intel atom powered device, unless someone manages to release an i5 device with a decent battery at a low price which they won't, besides, I dont need that boost in power. Everything that does need that much power I can do on my desktop.
Microsoft anounced that windows 10 will support tablets including android tablets have it from an pcwelt video german
comlete feature list windows 10
http://www.pcwelt.de/ratgeber/Windo...Windows-10-Funktionen-Windows-10-9602942.html
you think it woud be posebile to install it in the tab s
dual boot woud be the best 1 android and 1 windows
As of right now not possible, but never say never!
No. Microsoft has ceased all development on the ARM version of windows, aka Windows RT. The new Windows 10 will only run on x86 hardware, which means you will need an android tablet with a Intel processor to install Windows 10. The Galaxy Tab S uses an ARM processor, hence it is not compatible.
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No. Microsoft has ceased all development on the ARM version of windows, aka Windows RT. The new Windows 10 will only run on x86 hardware, which means you will need an android tablet with a Intel processor to install Windows 10. The Galaxy Tab S uses an ARM processor, hence it is not compatible.
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This is not correct I am afraid. They made windows 10 running on Xiaomi MI4. The phone has Snapdragon 801 ARM proc. See the link below..
http://www.loadthegame.com/2015/03/26/xiaomi-mi4-running-windows-phone-spotted-in-the-wild/
shadow78 said:
This is not correct I am afraid. They made windows 10 running on Xiaomi MI4. The phone has Snapdragon 801 ARM proc. See the link below..
http://www.loadthegame.com/2015/03/26/xiaomi-mi4-running-windows-phone-spotted-in-the-wild/
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That's Windows Phone, which is different from Windows 10. I haven't heard anything about Microsoft merging Windows 10 and Windows Phone.
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That's Windows Phone, which is different from Windows 10. I haven't heard anything about Microsoft merging Windows 10 and Windows Phone.
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Wow are you retarded? (No offense ) Windows 10 is the same across all platforms and no that is not Windows Phone on Mi4 it is Windows 10 running on it. Windows 10 is also coming to Raspberry Pi 2 which is running an ARM Processor too. Microsoft want's to make a Windows 10 ROM to get more people on it. So yes it is possible to be running on the Tab S but I'm unsure about Samsung's Exynos.
shadow78 said:
This is not correct I am afraid. They made windows 10 running on Xiaomi MI4. The phone has Snapdragon 801 ARM proc. See the link below..
http://www.loadthegame.com/2015/03/26/xiaomi-mi4-running-windows-phone-spotted-in-the-wild/
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feature which will most likely expand to all Android smartphones in the future
in the same aticle never say never
i hope we can don an dual boot with this woud be awesome 1 android 1 windows swith store
Kahun said:
Wow are you retarded? (No offense ) Windows 10 is the same across all platforms and no that is not Windows Phone on Mi4 it is Windows 10 running on it. Windows 10 is also coming to Raspberry Pi 2 which is running an ARM Processor too. Microsoft want's to make a Windows 10 ROM to get more people on it. So yes it is possible to be running on the Tab S but I'm unsure about Samsung's Exynos.
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According to PC msg we are both retards.
http://asia.pcmag.com/microsoft-sur...indows-rt-is-dead-but-microsoft-hasnt-learned
According to the article there are two versions of Windows 10. The first one is the normal desktop Windows, which is direct successor of the (/sarcasm) beloved Windows 8 (/endsarcasm). The second version is a mobile version that runs on both x86 and ARM, but presumably has a smaller footprint and optimised for touch screen control. In order words, it is Windows Phone in all but name.
Running x86 software on ARM isn't impossible, but incredible costly. The ARM processor would have to emulate the x86 hardware, and all hardware emulations are expensive (in terms of processing power and not money). Anyone who had ever used the android emulator that comes with the android development kit knows how painfully slow it is even on a i7 CPU. Trying to run a legacy Windows x86 software on a weaker ARM processor would be insane.
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According to PC msg we are both retards.
http://asia.pcmag.com/microsoft-sur...indows-rt-is-dead-but-microsoft-hasnt-learned
According to the article there are two versions of Windows 10. The first one is the normal desktop Windows, which is direct successor of the (/sarcasm) beloved Windows 8 (/endsarcasm). The second version is a mobile version that runs on both x86 and ARM, but presumably has a smaller footprint and optimised for touch screen control. In order words, it is Windows Phone in all but name.
Running x86 software on ARM isn't impossible, but incredible costly. The ARM processor would have to emulate the x86 hardware, and all hardware emulations are expensive (in terms of processing power and not money). Anyone who had ever used the android emulator that comes with the android development kit knows how painfully slow it is even on a i7 CPU. Trying to run a legacy Windows x86 software on a weaker ARM processor would be insane.
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To be honest we can't say anything until Microsoft releases Windows 10 later this year!
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To be honest we can't say anything until Microsoft releases Windows 10 later this year!
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jes but i still hope it will work woud be great
Windows 10 on Tab s 10.5
Kahun said:
Wow are you retarded? (No offense ) Windows 10 is the same across all platforms and no that is not Windows Phone on Mi4 it is Windows 10 running on it. Windows 10 is also coming to Raspberry Pi 2 which is running an ARM Processor too. Microsoft want's to make a Windows 10 ROM to get more people on it. So yes it is possible to be running on the Tab S but I'm unsure about Samsung's Exynos.
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Where Where Where can I find a tutorial on installing windows 10 on my Tab S? I really want to be able to install netbeans because my freakin laptop got stolen and all I can use is AIDE right now.
Please Help!!!
Completely different platforms, it's not a pc.
If it can eventually be emulated on an android tablet I doubt it will be much use.
TacoMeatDaGod said:
Where Where Where can I find a tutorial on installing windows 10 on my Tab S? I really want to be able to install netbeans because my freakin laptop got stolen and all I can use is AIDE right now.
Please Help!!!
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You won't get Windows 10 on it as theres no drivers
How come this guys can?
www indiegogo com/projects/magicstick-most-powerful-pc-stick-8gb-ram/x/12430960
How can i install windows 10 on samsung tab s?
TurboProgramming said:
How can i install windows 10 on samsung tab s?
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Guess you didn't read the entire thread...YOU CAN NOT INSTALL WIN 10 ON YOUR 10.5 Tab S
2 Biggest reasons why not:
You don't have the proper processor in the 10.5
You'll most likely never get any drivers for the hardware in it