Hey folks, I've been using various Roms/Kernels from this awesome board ever since I got My T-Mobile Galaxy S2 (T989).
Right out of the box, my phone has been a bit laggy and I didn't like Touchwiz too much. So I started flashing and been using various Gingerbread builds that were very overclockable and ran very well on my phone!!
However, I miss ICS big time so I've been using the leaked AT&T ports and despite the minor bugs, I love ICS!! What I don't love is the fact that I've been spending weeks trying several kernels to try to Overclock my T989 with this ICS port and Every time it fails (boot loop).
Of course I use Darkside superwipe and kernel clenser B4 trying any and all roms/kernels and never ran into this issue b4.
So I think I am at the point of accepting that currently for the T989, there are NO overclock kernels that support the ICS port. Am I mistaken? Anyone else have any luck where I've been failing? If so, could you point me in the right direction?
By the way, my phone runs much smoother/faster on this AT&T ICS port than any gingerbread Rom I've tried (this includes overclocked kernels). For example, in Quadrant I'm getting over 800 points higher than I've scored on ANY of the gingerbread Roms with overclocked kernels. Not too shabby. Go ICS!
Thanks everyone!!!
wrong section ? >_> ?
What are you developing?
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You posted in the wrong section to start, and without kernel source for the leaks there won't be overclocking, however they run plenty fast without overclocking. I have never needed to overclock a dual core so you may want to try other roms mainly the newest ics leak is really smooth. Next time pay attention where you post as this is not development good luck.
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For example, in Quadrant I'm getting over 800 points higher than I've scored on ANY of the gingerbread Roms with overclocked kernels. Not too shabby. Go ICS!
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Of course you scored higher on ICS, the under the hood optimization's within ICS are what makes it such an upgrade.
There aren't any oc kernels yet we do not have source. And the ics we do have is not even for our phone.....lol be patient
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omg lets kill him for not knowing..and not teach ignore him..but no oc for ics
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omg lets kill him for not knowing..and not teach ignore him..but no oc for ics
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There's a Q&A section for a reason. And this section is called "DEVELOPMENT" because it's meant for DEVELOPERS, not people who don't bother to read just a little bit, and inform themse that our phone hasn't had an ICS leak, therefore there will be several cons and drawbacks to flashing an AT&T ROM. You have questions, go to the Q&A section, simple as that, he posted it here because he knew he would get a response here. Whether good or not.
Yikes
Wow, message boards sure have changed quite a bit since I've been deeply involved in them back in the 90's. I recall them being a place where folks with similar interests either discussed various topics, got questions/concerns addressed, or just did some friendly browsing. Key term here is "friendly."
My point is that I've posted in the wrong section. There was a question mark in my original post and I should have caught this . But although THIS section is, apparently, ONLY for DEVELOPERS, am I NOT allowed to browse various Roms, run them, and post my personal experiences and thoughts on them?
And IRIE4PIER, your sarcastic remark of "...not people who don't bother to read just a little bit..." was unnecessary. I read a LOT in this section and found various Roms, kernels, and kind advice to those with questions and/or problems running these various Roms.... Sooo, I figured this would be a great board to post my ICS overclock issue.
So to everyone pointing out my folly by posting in here, I thank you and will be sure it doesn't happen again, And to those who's feelings evidently got hurt...well will get over it, I hope.
He simply pointed out that you posted in the wrong section, I don't think he was rude even though he didn't answer your question. You made the mistake of putting your question in the wrong section, now I've posted in the wrong section before as well by posting a question about accessories in the accessories section and a mod moved it to the q and a. That's a simple mistake I assumed because it was about accessories it was the right section. You on the other hand, as you say you read about roms and kernels in this section you might have noticed that people tend to create threads when they have a mod/kernel/rom. The people that ask questions in this section ask them within the threads about the corresponding rom/kernel/mod so idk why you would create a thread as your obviously intelligent enough to know where it goes. Your not hurting no one but it is annoying none the less, it happens often and forums run better when they are organized and people follow the rules as that is why they exist. Your hostility is silly people are just trying to point out your mistake and some also answered your question as well.
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I always under clock ALWAYS. What is the big deal with oc for u is it just to get higher quadrant scores? This phone flys at 1.35 and the battery life is 4 million times better when under clocked. Quadrant scores don't mean jack **** I go by real life feel
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I always under clock ALWAYS. What is the big deal with oc for u is it just to get higher quadrant scores? This phone flys at 1.35 and the battery life is 4 million times better when under clocked. Quadrant scores don't mean jack **** I go by real life feel
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I for one will never understand why people underclock this phone... if its to save an hour or so while running it at 1, 1.2, or 1.3 why not just get an atrix or mt4g slide? Could even stick with the sensation or mt4g... I overclock it at 1.83 and still get 16-18 hours with on screen time usually of 4-5 hours with moderate use running dw 2.5.1..... and its not about quadrant scores, I just want to make sure I'm using my beast to its fullest potential that I paid for.
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I for one will never understand why people underclock this phone... if its to save an hour or so while running it at 1, 1.2, or 1.3 why not just get an atrix or mt4g slide? Could even stick with the sensation or mt4g... I overclock it at 1.83 and still get 16-18 hours with on screen time usually of 4-5 hours with moderate use running dw 2.5.1..... and its not about quadrant scores, I just want to make sure I'm using my beast to its fullest potential that I paid for.
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well, for one, the other phones kinda suck and phones like sensation have terrible battery life compared to this. do you really notice a diff between 1.35 and 1.83Ghz? i sure dont. i might as well try to save battery then. its also easier on your hardware to run at lower clock speeds.
i have my ics set at 192 to 1.35ghz and screen off at 192/192. i also have a setting for 192/1000 when its below a battery threshold.
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There's a Q&A section for a reason. And this section is called "DEVELOPMENT" because it's meant for DEVELOPERS, not people who don't bother to read just a little bit, and inform themse that our phone hasn't had an ICS leak, therefore there will be several cons and drawbacks to flashing an AT&T ROM. You have questions, go to the Q&A section, simple as that, he posted it here because he knew he would get a response here. Whether good or not.
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u nerds freak out...its funny..u cant post here..cry
It was an honest mistake, but as someone who's moderated boards before (and one that didn't have nearly as much traffic as this one) it does get annoying to constantly be moderating/moving/merging threads together.
I'm sure the OP didn't mean to cause any trouble and he'll look more closely where he's posting next time so problem solved.
As for the actual issue, I never felt a need to overclock the T989, and especially don't see a need with ICS installed. But to each their own
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well, for one, the other phones kinda suck and phones like sensation have terrible battery life compared to this. do you really notice a diff between 1.35 and 1.83Ghz? i sure dont. i might as well try to save battery then. its also easier on your hardware to run at lower clock speeds.
i have my ics set at 192 to 1.35ghz and screen off at 192/192. i also have a setting for 192/1000 when its below a battery threshold.
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For regular use might not see much difference but when I multi task from text to emails, calls, web ect. There is lag if I underclock compared to stock speed or over clocking. My min is set at 384 if I set it lower I get a lag on wake which annoys me and I don't use any different off screen settings or any other profiles, only other thing I do is under volt by 50 globally, but every phone is different and not everyone uses their phone the same..
Opps more like under volted by 25, forgot that dw is already lowered by 25.... That's another thing for the op to watch out for, make sure your phone can handle the over clock with the voltage that's preset.. If not increase it little by little til its good and you get no boot loops.. The way I test it real quick is I run cf benchmark and antutu benchmark, not for the scores but to make sure the phone doesn't reboot in the middle. Now that's just a quick test if you do get a reboot through the day try increasing it a little more to check.
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Here's some quick screens before I set it to charge.. Running at 1.83 and min at 384 under volted by 25 on dw which means under volted by 50 from stock if I'm not mistaken...
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I haven't ever had FANTASTIC battery life like I'm seeing from some folks around here... when I first started on Starburst (I didn't keep stock for more than about four hours), I was at around 70% at the same time. I'm currently on Calkulin's 2.0.0; about to revert to Starburst and see if it's ROM-related, now that I've given Calkulin's about a week with a calibration to no effect.
I'm currently undervolted by -75 on all steps, and this seems to have made it WORSE if anything, which I didn't think was possible for undervolting to do. I've been monitoring things fairly closely with Watchdog, and nothing jumps out at me. The phone signal in the pic doesn't look good, but I've been in all the same places as I was when I was getting much better life.
What interests me is that I'm seeing absolutely no usage-based change in battery life. Until that sudden dip you see up there, it was going down at the exact same rate whether I was using it or it was sitting on my desk doing absolutely nothing.
That dip started after I played Fieldrunners HD for about ten minutes during a break at work. After I stopped playing, battery life went into a continuous plummet.
I use Tasker (extensively) to keep things in check; generally speaking, nothing is active unless it needs to be, except for Wi-Fi which is always active as it's my primary method of detecting my locations.
Am I missing something simple-stupid here? If not, anyone got any ideas, assuming going back to Starburst doesn't magically fix it?
Not sure if this will help, but improved my battery.
(1) go to your email setting for each account and change sync update, I believe by default it's set up to check every 15 minutes. With 10 email accounts, it took a toll on my my battery. I changed all my accounts to 4 hours.
(2) best way to kill a task is by holding down home button, going to task manager and kill from there. Market task killers were making things worse for me.
Hope this helps.
Thanks for the thoughts! Sadly, neither of those really apply in my case. I stick with with the default Gmail app, which is all push, and I don't use task killers at all.
I'm running the stock rom with a custom kernel. I did notice that as soon as I went from stock to a different kernel I started to lose battery life. Maybe its something Samsung did? I am still a novice with Roms and what not, but nothing like this happened on my original Epic or my Hero. Maybe the yellow triangle isn't the only thing Samsung put in there.
Maybe the aggressive undervolt is causing your phone to ramp up to a higher state to perform the tasks? That drop is steep with how little screen on time you have
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Maybe the aggressive undervolt is causing your phone to ramp up to a higher state to perform the tasks? That drop is steep with how little screen on time you have
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For as little as I know, that certainly sounds logical. I still wasn't getting as good as I would've expected even the UV, though.
I just flashed the EK02 modem with today's wonderful developments; I'm going to wait and see if that gets me better reception and thus better life. If not... now I'm not sure whether to try the new ROM first, or scale back the UVs. I want to try one thing at a time, since it's not urgent that I have good battery life ASAP. This gets me through my day, currently, more or less; I'd like to try and find my root cause so that I'm not just trying things wildly in the future.
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For as little as I know, that certainly sounds logical. I still wasn't getting as good as I would've expected even the UV, though.
I just flashed the EK02 modem with today's wonderful developments; I'm going to wait and see if that gets me better reception and thus better life. If not... now I'm not sure whether to try the new ROM first, or scale back the UVs. I want to try one thing at a time, since it's not urgent that I have good battery life ASAP. This gets me through my day, currently, more or less; I'd like to try and find my root cause so that I'm not just trying things wildly in the future.
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Well, the good thing is that as of today, its possible to return back to bone stock and start again so you can mess with a few setups and see what works best for you. I have found that this is the first phone that uses the frequencies well. I haven't undervolted at all yet and I have had great battery life. I did the standard delete Sprint bloat, Social Hub and associated apps, Maps, etc. Also, get BetterBatteryStats. It may give you some insight into what's happening.
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How you return to bone stock? By applying the update?
Odin this
Przekret posted what appears to be a full EG30 RAR archive
Przekret - EG30 full - [post] [direct dl]
- RAR Pass: sampro.pl
- extract HOME.tar from rar file and flash in ODIN using PDA button
- does NOT include data.img so your userdata is preserved
- qbking77 installation video
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1381494
Then update to EK02
Got very slightly better today after flashing the EK02 kernel. 23% at the same time instead of 18%... anything could account for that 5%, though, so I don't really think EK02 had any effect on this. Zedomax kernel with stock voltages is next.
CPU boots pro
(From the market & assuming your rooted)
Settings
~Screen off profile max800 min200
~GPU to Conservative max1000 min800
~Nitrous Widget GPU to on demand max1400 min1000
What this should do is downclock your device when on standby by alot. Second for phone calls and daily stuff a clock of 1k will be silky smooth and be a small downclock. Third when you set up the nitrous widget and activate it you will overclock to 1.4k which is stoopid fast my quad score is at 1.4k I get 4500 scores at 1.6k oc but forget batt when I'm using the nitrous. I like too personally keep my phone at a clock of 800 for daily phone calls and web surfing... if I play a graphic intense game ill oc it with nitrous and not worry about burning up my phone because if I set the phone down it downclocks as soon as it stands by and will pick right back up when I'm ready.
Hope it helps here's pics.
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Batt life on my day off doing nothing but trolling forums at 800 clock.... I was on my phone like six hours straight while waiting for jury duty selection to be done.
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Wolf we need to see your app and process details page. I bet your Android OS and cell standby are much higher than they should be.
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Wolf we need to see your app and process details page. I bet your Android OS and cell standby are much higher than they should be.
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If you're talking about the page I think you are, it'll have to wait until at least morning. I just did a full charge.
To wit... I spent 43 minutes on a phone call, and lost almost the same as what I normally lose in that same time period. 6% for a 43 minute call; I'm averaging 5%/hr loss doing NOTHING.
@Dchibro, assuming that's true, what would it mean for me? Does it give me a solution?
So, doing a bit of my own detective work... I've had Watchdog installed for about three days, with aggressive monitoring. I was almost immediately getting a bunch of alerts for two processes:
I initially whitelisted them through Watchdog, dismissing them as system processes that unavoidably needed to run. However, the comment from Dchibro got me thinking and sent me back to those, and I started Googling around. Here's what I've turned up so far:
http://goo.gl/Hsvej (HUGE thread on the issue in SGS2 forums. Haven't had a chance to go through all this yet.)
http://goo.gl/kUcqx (SGS2 forums.)
http://goo.gl/mlWW4 (Nook Color forums.)
http://goo.gl/mNiId (My Google search results.)
Gonna try some of the suggestions on here and see what I turn up. For now, I'm returning to stock voltages, implementing a bunch of those changes and keeping everything else as it is now to see where I end up. Phone will be charged to 100% before bed tonight, and I'll post sometime tomorrow with my findings.
Wish me luck!
So, in stead of waking up to 50% this morning, I woke up to 86%! Which is the same I went to bed at. Six hours of sleep, not a single percent lost. If nothing else, I learned from all this that I can reboot the phone when this bug hits me and and get away from it.
As I suspected. Your Watchdog shot clearly shows that you are/were (sounds like a reboot solved your issue at least temporarily) suffering from the Android OS bug. This bug presents itself most prominently in the suspend and events/0 processes. Unfortunately, a conclusive solution has not been found, but there are some things you can do to hunt the problem down.
This is the best post/thread I've found regarding the AOS bug on Galaxy SII phones ...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1290020
Im one week into my new sgs2 running full stock. What should normal battery use be? I feel my battery drains too fast. Here is my usage summary since full charge couple hours ago.
I charged too 100%, shutdown, then charged to 100%, powered up and used the phone very sparingly since. Battery is at 91%
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As I suspected. Your Watchdog shot clearly shows that you are/were (sounds like a reboot solved your issue at least temporarily) suffering from the Android OS bug. This bug presents itself most prominently in the suspend and events/0 processes. Unfortunately, a conclusive solution has not been found, but there are some things you can do to hunt the problem down.
This is the best post/thread I've found regarding the AOS bug on Galaxy SII phones ...
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That bug gave me nightmares on my OG Epic.
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Definitely seeing a bit of an improvement, here.
Watchdog alerted me to the suspend and event/0 stuff again about an hour ago, but I quickly rebooted and nothing seems to have come of it. I'm going to try to make a Tasker profile to do this automatically, kinda like Viper's LoS script.
All in all, I'm considering this a mostly satisfactory alternative to draining 80% of my battery with almost no use in eight hours.
Hello. I have flashed the Synergy kernel for CM7 and I have CyanogenMod Self-Kang. I am overclocked to 1.8Ghz and have the lag free governor. Why is it that when I run a benchmark I get such low results? Take a look:
I've seen people getting around 5000 on this device! Is there a reason why it is under 4000?
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Edit: OK thanks. I am not going to post anymore and I encourage other people not to (by not post I mean in this "Why is this" forum. I'm sorry I posted in the wrong place...
first, wrong forum. Should put this in Q&A
second, Quadrant results means nothing, my phone is giving me 3k and it doesn't lag what so ever.
I've never hit 5000 with my phone I'm always in between 3000-4400. Plus benchmark scores mean nothing. Even if the device is not hardware accelerated it will still be lag free. Not to mention this post should of been in the "General" section. It is not about development. Re-post your question in General, you might get more answers.
Yo just because 1 person got away with posting in the wrong forum yesterday does not mean you can ask questions here. This is why we have different sections in the first place. Follow the rules of the forum and do your research because if you did you would have found out that quadrant means nothing.
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STOP USING QUADRANT!!!
Use a program that has been updated like Antutu.
Quadrant has not been updated in over a year. Let it die for the sake of human kind.
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Quadrant really doesn't do a very good job of true benchmarking, and it's WAY too easy to fool it. Some very simple hacks can be done to artificially increase the score by a large amount. For example:
1. enabling stagefright by default in the build.prop can do this (on some stock roms.) This will make it so the h.264 encoding test will be falsely inflated.
2. Tricking the system into using a ramdisk for it's IO test instead of the actual nand. This one should be self explanitory.
3. On the old galaxy phones, that used rfs for the filesystem, if converted to EXT4 it would give a HUGE boost, but no real world performance difference. (Quandrant doesn't seem to read rfs correctly.)
And believe me, there are PLENTY of others. No to mention its not optimized for more than one core.
Benchmarks mean nothing. Real world usability does, unless it's just an e-peen thing, my benchmarks are better than yours type of thing. It's kind of like overclocking. I've NEVER seen the point in it (on a cell phone, not a pc.) You end up taking a risk of greatly reducing the lifespan of your cpu for 2-3 extra frames a second in games, drain more battery power, and again, in real world use you won't see a difference at all.
If you're trying to show off to others how cool your phone is, instead of showing them quad scores that mean nothing, why not let them USE it for a few minutes? That's what sold me on this phone when I bought it, using someone's for about 15 minutes
It could have been he was using performance governor and cleared out his ram. That would cause a height quadrant score.
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I got bored tonight and tested a few of the popular and recent ROM's for this phone. Below is the method of testing and the results.
I took these steps for -every- ROM tested.
Plugged phone in via USB to my computer and left it plugged in.
Factory reset using clockwork
format /system as well (i've seen a few rom's suggest this)
Installed ROM
Booted into ROM and let sit for 5 minutes without touching it
Stepped through the initial setup without setting up a google account (if applicable to the ROM)
Reboot
Let sit for 1 min
Installed AnTuTu Benchmark v2.6 from sdcard.
Ran AnTuTu Benchmark using default settings and selecting /sdcard/external_sd as the sdcard
This is NOT ment to imply one ROM is better than another. It's only intention is to share datapoints. Some of the ROM's are beta as well, so their final release may be different.
My intention is to show how ROMs perform based on the AnTuTu benchmark. I wish to use a ROM that is quick and efficient. Others may appreciate more eye-candy at the cost of performance. To each his own. So I hope some find this data useful.
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Foxstar beta v1.0 (5689)
Revenge Of Macnut (5778)
Tuesday|Medieval|Midnight| (7136)
DARKSIDE:IGITAL::WARFARE v2.1 (5771)
Dewizzed-V2.5.2 (7045)
And just for kicks, here's my phone, running normally, fully loaded.
* Long time lurker, first time poster since I figured this may be a way to contribute to the forum.
* Also not here to promote any ROM. I'm unaffilliated.
Thanks!
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Uh you know foxstar is the only one you ran at stock speeds? The rest are at 1700. Might want to re run that one.
Also you would have to run each test three to five times to get any sort of meaningful results bc the scores will fluctuate.
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About the clock speeds, I did that on purpose. The purpose was to show the performance of the ROM as the creators intended.
Do you think running it multiple times will make a huge difference? I figured so long as I did the same steps for all ROMs it should reflect a decent standard.
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About the clock speeds, I did that on purpose. The purpose was to show the performance of the ROM as the creators intended.
Do you think running it multiple times will make a huge difference? I figured so long as I did the same steps for all ROMs it should reflect a decent standard.
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You did that on purpose? Interesting. You might want to put in bold the speeds you are running each test on. Seemed like a mistake if you ask me. All of those other roms do not come with default cpu max at 1700MHz.
Also, yes running them multiple times will make a HUGE difference. I have done it when bench marking graphics cards, cpu overclocks and with my phone. Try it....you will be very surprised.
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You did that on purpose? Interesting. You might want to put in bold the speeds you are running each test on. Seemed like a mistake if you ask me. All of those other roms do not come with default cpu max at 1700MHz.
Also, yes running them multiple times will make a HUGE difference. I have done it when bench marking graphics cards, cpu overclocks and with my phone. Try it....you will be very surprised.
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Echoing this, Even if it's defaulted to a lower clock speed, you can't leave it that to provide an accurate data set. You also need a large spread, run hem 5 or 10 times and average them.
Even if benchmarks are a little silly in my book, still some interesting data.
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Uh you know foxstar is the only one you ran at stock speeds? The rest are at 1700. Might want to re run that one.
Also you would have to run each test three to five times to get any sort of meaningful results bc the scores will fluctuate.
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Not true. Darkside Warfare was run at 1350.
IMO I think it's pointless unless you clock them at the same speed I mean you have digital warfare under clocked at 1.3 -_- might also want to mention which kernel each 1 is using and at the end of the day it's not about how each 1 scores but how it does in real life use I remember when I used the jugs kernel clocked at 1.89 I believe it scores over 8k easy but would lag on scrolling and other things but faux kernel would score a little over 7k and would run like butter clocked at 1.7. Now I'm using digital warfare with the kernel it comes with and I think it run incredible with speed, smoothness, and battery with good scores
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Not true. Darkside Warfare was run at 1350.
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Mistake...
I was checking the screens from xda app. Your right.
Regardless...the roms should all be ran at one uniform speed for the best comparison.
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Echoing this, Even if it's defaulted to a lower clock speed, you can't leave it that to provide an accurate data set. You also need a large spread, run hem 5 or 10 times and average them.
Even if benchmarks are a little silly in my book, still some interesting data.
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This is true, however with an asterisk. Running them subsequently will 100% boost scores, mostly because of CPU stepping. Continually running them keeps them clocked at full speeds more often, especially in the beginning.
Also, same clocks please? Use setCPU or something to ensure it. Stock clocks would be appreciated.
Also, run Vellamo benchmark too please. Linpack too lol. And NOT quadrant.
That said, Darkside is the best performer here so far.
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Also, run Vellamo benchmark too please. Linpack too lol. And NOT quadrant.
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Sorry, that's not going to happen. While I'm still debating how I feel about stock vs a standard clock speeds, I can tell you that I'm not willing to try different benchmarking tools. I feel AnTuTu is modern enough. And I agree with the quadrant comment.
Why not? What else tests browsing performance as thoroughly?
Can we at least agree that despite all the little games and gadgets this phone runs, almost everyone primarily uses the phone to browse the Internet? Antutu does none of that.
Not to defend myself or anything but...
a) for the 10000th time benchmarks are useless
b) benchmarks are useless
c) you ran them after different clock speeds.
d) benchmarks are better for Kernel tests, not rom tests.
e) Australia.
For clarity, the goal wasn't to try to get the highest score. It was to try to put all ROM's (and their included kernels) at the same baseline and see how they perform relative to one another. Not trying to put one over another.
Finding the right ROM can sometimes be a daunting task. Many offer roughly the same features, but just have different appearance. When people don't care about how the ROM looks (with all the different launchers and mods that can be changed after the fact), knowing how it performs out of the box may be the deciding factor.
I know clock speeds are different. Some ROMs opt for lower clock speeds to get better better life. So I thought it would be good to know how that effects its performance.
With that said, would this be useful? Would anyone appreciate seeing how one ROM performs relative to the others?
But what I don't get is you claim that the goal of the thread was to put all ROMs at the same baseline. That didn't happen. Just pointing that out.
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For clarity, the goal wasn't to try to get the highest score. It was to try to put all ROM's (and their included kernels) at the same baseline and see how they perform relative to one another. Not trying to put one over another.
Finding the right ROM can sometimes be a daunting task. Many offer roughly the same features, but just have different appearance. When people don't care about how the ROM looks (with all the different launchers and mods that can be changed after the fact), knowing how it performs out of the box may be the deciding factor.
I know clock speeds are different. Some ROMs opt for lower clock speeds to get better better life. So I thought it would be good to know how that effects its performance.
With that said, would this be useful? Would anyone appreciate seeing how one ROM performs relative to the others?
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I think he means baseline as in the performance you get from untouched roms as the dev intended them to be. This is probably more useful for people that are scared to mess around with overclocking apps..
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But what I don't get is you claim that the goal of the thread was to put all ROMs at the same baseline. That didn't happen. Just pointing that out.
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I think he means baseline as in the performance you get from untouched roms as the dev intended them to be. This is probably more useful for people that are scared to mess around with overclocking apps..
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That is correct. The baseline as defined by the authors of the ROMs. If a ROM author decides to underclock it out of the box, I'm not going to modify that.
ICS is really taking a long time to be release there's tons of bugs and its really not as nice as people thinks, its a little over rated, I know things take time but when you get paid to sit and work on phones I don't think it should took this long, its been months now, for ICS to be as simple as it looks it really shouldn't have taken this long.... ICS on HTC EVO LTE may make a hugh difference though and there's a million reasons why.....
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Considering very few phones, if any really, have actually received an update to ICS, and the few that have had little success due to rushing.
We have few bugs in our latest ICS builds, much better shape than several OTA releases have had in the past.
LG released Gingerbread for the Optimus S last year and it completely screwed that phone up. Took 8 months to release a fix, and they lost all customer support.
They are testing and rebuilding a ROM to ensure it works, you must give it time.
Truuuuuuueeeeeee good point maybe i'm just impatient
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ICS to be as simple as it looks it really shouldn't have taken this long...
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ICS isn't as simple as it looks. There are quite a few changes and issues need to be ironed out before pushing out an OTA. Not everyone is into modding and SamSprint doesn't want to anger the average user who knows nothing about how their phone works.
Most of us are impatient for the update though
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So, what exactly is "bugging" you about the ICS leaks we have so far anways? lol I mean I'm on aosp now so I'm not sure, but ICS has been stable and perfectly useable for several months now. Even that silly notification bug has been fixed right? So, better question would be, what exactly are you waiting to be fixed with the ICS that's out? Pretty sure most of us are mainly waiting for the official kernel source to be released so kernel devs can go mad wild and make things even better.
Indeed.. what are the "tons of bugs?"
It's completely usable as a daily now. The bugs are mere annoyances.
We need the OTA so the devs have access to the ICS source code. Without true source most of what they do is workarounds, not bug removal. It will allow us to flash between roms without having to go back to stock every time. Read a few forums this stuff is being said in almost every forum in development.
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Well I shouldn't said tons of bugs but that battery life is horrible
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My battery lasts around 24 hours before it dies. I am at 1hr talk time, 1 hour screen on time, and I got over 170 emails today, as well as 400 text in/out. That's not bad battery life at all. and I played some angry birds, robot unicorn attack, and temple run. I am at 50% even.
Kve heard battery life is approaching, if not passed, that of gingerbread builds, well, as far as being on stand-by goes anyways
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bjgebg said:
Well I shouldn't said tons of bugs but that battery life is horrible
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Have you actually used an ICS rom or are you just making things up? I have very few bugs if any and battery life has been on par with any other android device I've used.
Have to keep in mind general use cases. Both my sister and my dad have the E4GT. Both have seen Touchwiz based ICS roms running on my phone and pulled the "I'm not sure I like all these changes" card. They are used to their phone as it is now and apprehensive about radical changes like ICS really brought to Android phones (Honeycomb isn't all that different from ICS). Sprint and Samsung have to keep these users in mind as they are likely a much larger user base than those of us here at XDA that root and flash our phones on a regular basis.
I'm as eager for source to drop as the next guy. Kind of wish Sprint and Sammy would through a back channel for those of us addicted to this stuff but we have to wait for them to make sure its all shored up and ready for the masses like my dad and sister.
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My battery lasts around 24 hours before it dies. I am at 1hr talk time, 1 hour screen on time, and I got over 170 emails today, as well as 400 text in/out. That's not bad battery life at all. and I played some angry birds, robot unicorn attack, and temple run. I am at 50% even.
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Lies.. Must have a extended battery or something no way 24hrs gtfoh
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bjgebg said:
Lies.. Must have a extended battery or something no way 24hrs gtfoh
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You shouldn't accuse someone of lying just because what they report seems impossible to you. That is completely immature and adds nothing positive to the discussion.
For the record there are a lot of people on ICS ROMs getting incredible battery life. I myself once had a battery charge last for almost 3 days before I finally killed it by playing a movie through Netflix.
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You shouldn't accuse someone of lying just because what they report seems impossible to you. That is completely immature and adds nothing positive to the discussion.
For the record there are a lot of people on ICS ROMs getting incredible battery life. I myself once had a battery charge last for almost 3 days before I finally killed it by playing a movie through Netflix.
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I average about 1 hour more of screen time no matter how I use my phone. The drain seems faster from 100-80% but after that its great. If I let it drain to 10-15% left I seem to end up with better numbers every time
I dont understand all the complaints lately, the leaks have been such great fun and they are stable enough for daily use. Yes battery life was bad in March but 24 hours is easy now with medium use and selective apps on a normal battery.
I use an FE10 based rom and the performance is great, very stable and absolutely no issues with battery life. Just as good as gingerbread in battery life in my experience.
If you think they are moving too slowly....you do it!
I hate it when people come into my job..complaining about how I'm not moving fast enough, or how pajama pants aren't appropriate attire for work, or how its rude to talk to a customer with 3/4's of a muffin in your mouth, or how "state law" says your not supposed to smoke inside....blah blah blah.
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Lies.. Must have a extended battery or something no way 24hrs gtfoh
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I went 31 hours, 1 Hour of Screen on, 3 phone calls 5 texts a few emails finished it off remoting into my server on 4g and doing a tiny bit of work till it hit 15% just 2 days ago.
That was on CM9 Alpha 4 but I have demonstrated the same light usage mostly standby scenario on the TW leaks twice.
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If your light usage is horrible you might considering lowering the screen brightness from 100%, things like that lol. Dont run your battery down any further than you ever have to. 40% is a good charge point but 15% when thats not a reality. You can murder a battery in 2 months by letting it run all the way down to say 4 to 0%. I have a feeling I will need a new one in about a year but most my cell phone and laptop batteries have lasted me 3 years or more the way I treat them.
I can very easily kill my battery in 4.5 to 8 hours if I need to use it alot.
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If you think they are moving too slowly....you do it!
I hate it when people come into my job..complaining about how I'm not moving fast enough, or how pajama pants aren't appropriate attire for work, or how its rude to talk to a customer with 3/4's of a muffin in your mouth, or how "state law" says your not supposed to smoke inside....blah blah blah.
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lol Yeah, that no pajamas thing is a total crock!
Hi,
I have tried both Quadrant and Antutu and got disappointing TOTAL scores. 2019 in Quadrant (no OC) that I just checked. The detailed analysis shows that it is comparable to GNex results in all categories like CPU, Memory, 2D and 3D but takes a beating in I/O. The file read/write and database read/write are bad.
I have tried various ROM/Kernel combinations but the results remain almost the same.
Any ideas?
Don't go by those numbers, they are truly useless. The best results I have gotten though was with RasCream's ROM and Trinity Kernel. Just go by what seems to work fastest for you.
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Don't go by those numbers, they are truly useless. The best results I have gotten though was with RasCream's ROM and Trinity Kernel. Just go by what seems to work fastest for you.
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not true, they are very useful, just not to the layman. they are very useful to kernel developers, and when comparing the same model devices.
With Jelly Bean, I got ~4900 points in Antutu... LOL...
look at my sig. Jellybean is buttery smooth, thats all i care lol. and games like Gta3, shadowgun etc work just as good as they did on ICS
Ah well. I have no problems with the phone. Just keen to know the reason for bad I/O scores. If someone could make me a bit wiser.
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Ah well. I have no problems with the phone. Just keen to know the reason for bad I/O scores. If someone could make me a bit wiser.
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its your setup probably. heres asop 4.1.1(bigxies) and the Trinity kernel(1689mhz)..
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its your setup probably. heres asop 4.1.1(bigxies) and the Trinity kernel(1689mhz)..
sweet! I am going to test mine now!
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Benchmarks are not reliable. Benchmarks are not a valid indication of real-time use. Benchmarks can be manipulated by using special kernel tweaks that do absolutely nothing to improve real-time use (and in some cases, degrade it) and artificially 'improve' benchmark scores.
Summary: Benchmarks are bad. Stop using them.
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Benchmarks are not reliable. Benchmarks are not a valid indication of real-time use. Benchmarks can be manipulated by using special kernel tweaks that do absolutely nothing to improve real-time use (and in some cases, degrade it) and artificially 'improve' benchmark scores.
Summary: Benchmarks are bad. Stop using them.
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benchmarks can be manipulated, youre right, so stop cheating and take it for what it is. we've been guiding the trinity kernel based off of benchmarks and real use. you can see, in real time, if what you are doing to the kernel is bad or good, then decide what to do next. used properly, they are a very valid indication of real time use, like it or not, that is why they are still around. other than that, many people just have fun with them too. whats your problem with them? feeling inferior?
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benchmarks can be manipulated, youre right, so stop cheating and take it for what it is. we've been guiding the trinity kernel based off of benchmarks and real use. you can see, in real time, if what you are doing to the kernel is bad or good, then decide what to do next. used properly, they are a very valid indication of real time use, like it or not, that is why they are still around. other than that, many people just have fun with them too. whats your problem with them? feeling inferior?
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No, I just had an unfortunate knee-jerk reaction to yet another benchmark thread. It came out a lot more antagonistic than I meant. I just get rather tired of benchmarks in general because they mean very little in most cases and people tend to use them for silly epeen comparing contests, especially in some gaming/PC forums I occasionally frequent. I do think benchmarks are silly and misleading. I don't know why you said to stop cheating, because I don't benchmark my phone at all and don't use custom kernels (well, stock CM9 is a custom kernel I suppose).
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No, I just had an unfortunate knee-jerk reaction to yet another benchmark thread. It came out a lot more antagonistic than I meant. I just get rather tired of benchmarks in general because they mean very little in most cases and people tend to use them for silly epeen comparing contests, especially in some gaming/PC forums I occasionally frequent. I do think benchmarks are silly and misleading. I don't know why you said to stop cheating, because I don't benchmark my phone at all and don't use custom kernels (well, stock CM9 is a custom kernel I suppose).
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first off, i do owe you an apology, i didnt mean to call you a cheater personally. its just that ive found a lot of people that make it a point to say that benchmatks can be manipulated, are manipulating benchmarks themselves. again, im sorry, i dont know you and cant say that youre a cheater. secondly, what irks me is that people have to make it a point to come into a benchmark thread and tell people that benchmarks have absolutely no use, when they actually do have good, valid, uses. and when people tell others to stop benchmarking, that theres no point. benchmarking for some is just fun. who is anybody to tell others to stop having fun because what they are doing is pointess? even if there was absolutely zilch in a benchmark, but they brought somebody joy, then they are worth it. if somebody doesnt agree with them, thats cool, and thats respectable. just ignore these benchmark threads and everyone will be happy.
If you want benchmarks get a one x
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its your setup probably. heres asop 4.1.1(bigxies) and the Trinity kernel(1689mhz)..
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may i ask how exactly you set your phone up with this setup? those are great scores.
I got a 7740 in antutu with slimics and Franco linaro 196r 10oc experimental kernel. That's my best score so far on antutu. I've tried two jellybean roms and the best antutu score was like 4300, lol....probably because there's limited optimizations available for jb so far.
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first off, i do owe you an apology, i didnt mean to call you a cheater personally. its just that ive found a lot of people that make it a point to say that benchmatks can be manipulated, are manipulating benchmarks themselves. again, im sorry, i dont know you and cant say that youre a cheater. secondly, what irks me is that people have to make it a point to come into a benchmark thread and tell people that benchmarks have absolutely no use, when they actually do have good, valid, uses. and when people tell others to stop benchmarking, that theres no point. benchmarking for some is just fun. who is anybody to tell others to stop having fun because what they are doing is pointess? even if there was absolutely zilch in a benchmark, but they brought somebody joy, then they are worth it. if somebody doesnt agree with them, thats cool, and thats respectable. just ignore these benchmark threads and everyone will be happy.
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I'll just add that there's a thread for benchmarks already then: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1443343
In the spirit of fun I'll post my benchmarks there.
NYConex said:
may i ask how exactly you set your phone up with this setup? those are great scores.
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im using bigxies jb rom, and trinity kernel tnp1689-537-a28(1689mhz cpu, 537mhz gpu). i adjusted the voltage at 1689 until i was completely stable at that speed, then adjust it slightly more until it gave me best results. its benched at 1689/1689 ondemand/deadline. thermal throttling is dasabled, fsync is disabled, and all 3 smart reflex options are disabled. also, at 1689/1689 you produce a lot of heat. if you dont find a way to cool off the phone while benchmarking, you will eventually reach the 110C shutdown safety limit for tbe cpu. i bench at this cpu speed with my battery cover off and in front of a fan or air conditioning(depending on the surrounding temperature). also, i dont have many apps that run/sync in the background except gmail/gtalk.
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JaiaV said:
I'll just add that there's a thread for benchmarks already then: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1443343
In the spirit of fun I'll post my benchmarks there.
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yup, thats where benchmark scores should go then. this thread is to figure out why the ops scores are lower than expected
Thanks Simms22. But I guess that mystery is not going to be solved anytime soon. If I could localise the poor I/O scores to bad hardware maybe I could change to another piece.
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Thanks Simms22. But I guess that mystery is not going to be solved anytime soon. If I could localise the poor I/O scores to bad hardware maybe I could change to another piece.
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Turn off FSync and you will gain almost double I/O score.
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No, I just had an unfortunate knee-jerk reaction to yet another benchmark thread. It came out a lot more antagonistic than I meant. I just get rather tired of benchmarks in general because they mean very little in most cases and people tend to use them for silly epeen comparing contests, especially in some gaming/PC forums I occasionally frequent. I do think benchmarks are silly and misleading. I don't know why you said to stop cheating, because I don't benchmark my phone at all and don't use custom kernels (well, stock CM9 is a custom kernel I suppose).
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People need to stop hating the benchmark. Its extremely handy for many reasons. If you want to hate then hate the person who abuses the benchmark. Thats really where your hate should be directed. But claiming to have never used one is just silly and in the event you really dont use benchmarks it probably wouldnt hurt to use one once in awhile.