Hello. I have flashed the Synergy kernel for CM7 and I have CyanogenMod Self-Kang. I am overclocked to 1.8Ghz and have the lag free governor. Why is it that when I run a benchmark I get such low results? Take a look:
I've seen people getting around 5000 on this device! Is there a reason why it is under 4000?
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Edit: OK thanks. I am not going to post anymore and I encourage other people not to (by not post I mean in this "Why is this" forum. I'm sorry I posted in the wrong place...
first, wrong forum. Should put this in Q&A
second, Quadrant results means nothing, my phone is giving me 3k and it doesn't lag what so ever.
I've never hit 5000 with my phone I'm always in between 3000-4400. Plus benchmark scores mean nothing. Even if the device is not hardware accelerated it will still be lag free. Not to mention this post should of been in the "General" section. It is not about development. Re-post your question in General, you might get more answers.
Yo just because 1 person got away with posting in the wrong forum yesterday does not mean you can ask questions here. This is why we have different sections in the first place. Follow the rules of the forum and do your research because if you did you would have found out that quadrant means nothing.
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STOP USING QUADRANT!!!
Use a program that has been updated like Antutu.
Quadrant has not been updated in over a year. Let it die for the sake of human kind.
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Quadrant really doesn't do a very good job of true benchmarking, and it's WAY too easy to fool it. Some very simple hacks can be done to artificially increase the score by a large amount. For example:
1. enabling stagefright by default in the build.prop can do this (on some stock roms.) This will make it so the h.264 encoding test will be falsely inflated.
2. Tricking the system into using a ramdisk for it's IO test instead of the actual nand. This one should be self explanitory.
3. On the old galaxy phones, that used rfs for the filesystem, if converted to EXT4 it would give a HUGE boost, but no real world performance difference. (Quandrant doesn't seem to read rfs correctly.)
And believe me, there are PLENTY of others. No to mention its not optimized for more than one core.
Benchmarks mean nothing. Real world usability does, unless it's just an e-peen thing, my benchmarks are better than yours type of thing. It's kind of like overclocking. I've NEVER seen the point in it (on a cell phone, not a pc.) You end up taking a risk of greatly reducing the lifespan of your cpu for 2-3 extra frames a second in games, drain more battery power, and again, in real world use you won't see a difference at all.
If you're trying to show off to others how cool your phone is, instead of showing them quad scores that mean nothing, why not let them USE it for a few minutes? That's what sold me on this phone when I bought it, using someone's for about 15 minutes
It could have been he was using performance governor and cleared out his ram. That would cause a height quadrant score.
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Has anyone looked in to this to see if it is something that we could possibly port over/modify to work on our phones and benefit from?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=749495
I did a search and didn't see any topics started on this so I figured it was worth asking.
It increased the quadrant scores tremendously for the Galaxy S.
Non applicable.
Galaxy class phones have serious lag problems due to installation of apps on slow sd.
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If someone wants to compile a new kernel with the "fix" implemented, sure. You would need a class 6 sdcard to see any benefit from it though. The EVO guys are doing it and seeing numbers over 2000. There's no reason it wouldn't work. Though, you probably wouldnt notice any practical difference in the phone in regular use. I'm assuming the quadrant increase is due to the read write speeds being much higher using a card that fast, thus increasing the I/O score on quadrant.
What people don't seem to realize is that quadrant score is an average of the different tests, and not just a blanket score to use for comparisons...on the galaxy s it does fix the lag problem they have. Watch one do a quadrant test. The I/O test takes over a minute. A nice aide effect of the fix is that it inflates quadrant scores. The incredible is far from laggy, so you'd basically be doing it just to see a higher quadrant score.
You'd also have to figure out a way to use the Amon-RA recovery instead of clockwork, as only it can partition the sdcard in the correct way to implement this...
I'd actually love to see people try more things with the kernels, the ones we have are nice, but pretty basic. The EVO guys also have one that actively adjusts the cpu voltage based on speed and temperature, it's supposed to really increase the battery life. I guess that's probably due to the EVO not having the same supply shortages, and the fact they gave out a ton of them free to developers at the google conference, lol.
Hello, after running all the kernels currently available for kindle fire, I cant help but noticing that none can clock up to more then 1200mhz. While this is an improvement, I would liek to see a kernel that could overclock all the way up to about 1400-1600mhz. I am sure that the kindle could handle it, It does fine with 1200mhz. Any thoughts, anyone think the kindle could handle this. If so, whats stopping all these great devs?
What a great thread to start. While we're at, here's what I'd "liek" to see: push the CPU to 3 cores. And can we get a higher pixel density, devs? I mean, come on!
My understanding is that no one will release a kernel OC'd to more than 1200 because it's dangerous. Even if some Kindle's can handle it, some can't even handle 1200, and it would cause too many problems with people breaking things. If you want it that bad you'll learn how to compile your own kernel.
This is the development section. Not the Q&A/General. If you would like something, please try it yourself. Remember, everyone does this for free and as a hobby.
What hasoon said...
What Jake said is correct also, it would take waay too much work to get an overclocked kernel stable enough for the masses. Lower frequencies are generally more easily overclocked to higher levels than already high frequencies are.
Plus, why would you even want to overclock, what app/game is it that needs more than our 1.2ghz can handle, especially since we have a dual core cpu? I can't think of any and I have over 900 apps/games.(Not all on my KF, of course)
All it would do is drain your battery faster. Even games like NOVA 2 & NOVA 3(Probably not the most resource intensive games, but you get the point) run fine on 600 and 800 mhz.
Tl;dr:
There would be little to no benefit in furthur overclocking our KF's.
I agree, I use the "Kindle" at a frequency of 800MHz, and I have enough speed for gaming and work)
But that should be added, so this optimization core to increase the autonomy of the "Kindl"
0xD34D had a 2.6x capable of 1.3ghz. Worked well, I had no issues.
If your still stock ROM look it up although some will say it's "dated".
Keep in mind just because it's clocked higher does'nt mean it's faster.
At 1.3ghz it felt OK but benchmarked well below 1.2ghz, something I've noticed on my G-Nex as well. Once over a certain speed performance drops.
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manchucka said:
What a great thread to start. While we're at, here's what I'd "liek" to see: push the CPU to 3 cores. And can we get a higher pixel density, devs? I mean, come on!
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What's the point in posting crap like this other than to be a troll?
Short answer is no, it's not going to happen.
All trolling aside half our devs didn't even want to go to 1.2
Do to differences in device state / hardware race (yes there are some differences in hardware albeit small and not expected by Amazon to be noticeable in stock, that obviously changes when you start changing the OS), there's no way to know who's kindle will support what clock speeds.
If that's not enough for you let's consider that TI clocked it at 1024M for a reason and that any manipulation beyond the MFG specs is going to run the risk of shortening the devices life. You'd get a similar response from me if you are talking real PCs as well. Quite frankly the risks of high OC are not worth the reward, for any device IMHO
Requests go in Q&A (moved)
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any one here can be a "dev" with learning and patience.
if we don't take it upon ourselves then we can't rightly complain with what's available.
with that said i will. i personally do't agree with the argument that it's not good for the device, some can't handle it, etc., so it's not done.
My gnex with the latest faux123 kernel can be set as high as 1.8ghz.
i cant get past 1.35 without a massive hit to performance, same with any other kernel that allow crazy high clock settings. there's a few.
At 1.56ghz it locks up. i don't blame faux123 for the instability at those speeds.
when battery life isn't a concern i'm clocked at 1.35ghz. i won't blame him if the phone stops working either.
I like that he put it there allowing me to try it. it's fun to push the limits. this is about fun.
There's a demand for oc'ing everything. I'd do the same with the KF, although from the 0xD4aD kernel i already know my KF was perfectly stable at 1.3ghz even with uv.
i wish i had the patience but sadly i don't so I wait.
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i wish i had the patience but sadly i don't so I wait.
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Interesting irony here
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So many trolls, nothing better to do than stuff his face with donuts, play wow, and TROLL LOL
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On the stock kernal with the ViperX rom.
I got 12500.
Now with faux kernal I get like 9000.
Why?
I have a MUCH lower CPU score in benchmarks...
Geez you already asked this, why another identical thread? Benchmark means nothing, case closed.
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yeah what is everyones obsession with benchmarks its just a number..
Benchmarks just a number? Tell that to people who drive race cars.
0-60 in 3 seconds is still better performance than 0-60 in 3.5 seconds. If both cars have the same engine, same gearing and weigh the same, then something else must determine why one is slower than the other.
Same way with our phones. Benchmark tests, especially AnTuTu, do offer insights into the performance of our machines. So, instead of giving the snarky answer that 'benchmarks don't matter', just say you have no idea or don't post at all.
yes maybe numbers are more applicable to cars. but this is a mobile phone forum not a car forum.....
the benchmarks mean sod all. the actual experience of using the phone is what matters.
benchmarks can vary from the slightest differences in environment, so yeah it is just a number, and will change for almost anything..
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yes maybe numbers are more applicable to cars. but this is a mobile phone forum not a car forum.....
the benchmarks mean sod all. the actual experience of using the phone is what matters.
benchmarks can vary from the slightest differences in environment. they mean absolutely sod all.
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Really? A Mobile Phone Forum? How did I miss that part??
Sure experience matters, but to a lot of people, so do numbers. And 3000 points would make a difference, both numerically and perceptually.
I think this thread should be closed and open a new one talking about 10b5.
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Sure experience matters, but to a lot of people, so do numbers. And 3000 points would make a difference, both numerically and perceptually.
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well seeing as the benchmarks can change literally from one minute to the next, and the fact they aren't that consistent, that essentially proves that the numbers don't mean as much as everyone makes out.
And therefore instead of basing how good your phone is operating on benchmark scores, just judge it on the actual performance of flicking through screens, loading apps , playing games etc etc - if there isn't a problem there, which i bet in the OPs case, there isn't any general performance issues, just a lower score. if there isn't any actual performance issues, then what the hell is the problem?
Hold on everyone. Small fluctuations in benchmark scores are nothing but a consistent drop of 25% is more meaningful, especially if all that changed was the kernel.
Why does everyone on here seem to just repeat what they read last week only with attitude added and regardless of factors such as severity.
To the OP... might be an idea to go back to stock and run several benchmarks to get a good overall picture. Note all the different scores for different tests (CPU, GPU, memory etc). Flash this kernel again and run several benchmarks. See which tests are affected and report your findings to Faux.
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well seeing as the benchmarks can change literally from one minute to the next, and the fact they aren't that consistent, that essentially proves that the numbers don't mean as much as everyone makes out.
And therefore instead of basing how good your phone is operating on benchmark scores, just judge it on the actual performance of flicking through screens, loading apps , playing games etc etc - if there isn't a problem there, which i bet in the OPs case, there isn't any general performance issues, just a lower score. if there isn't any actual performance issues, then what the hell is the problem?
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Numbers shouldn't be inconsistent. My scores fall within 0.5-1% of each other every time I run them.
Certain ROMs can have a major impact on performance. Just like going to 4.0.4 and Sense 4.1 made a huge positive performance difference. Guess what, you could actually see that difference with 'useless' benchmark tests too.
Op,
Did you cry? Did your heart feel broken? I've heard benchmark scores are everything, they define smartphones these days.
ben-fisher-bro said:
On the stock kernal with the ViperX rom.
I got 12500.
Now with faux kernal I get like 9000.
Why?
I have a MUCH lower CPU score in benchmarks...
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I found a fix for you! Just read this post here! http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?a=81
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Hey I was wondering, does my processor take breaking in? I just returned my other s3 because of defects but with this completely new one the quadrant scores and antutu scores are very low.. only like 3300 on quadrant and something low on antutu also.
The average stock benchmark scores are around 4800 and 6800 in antutu. So will my phone start breaking in and speeding up?
Those benchmarks mean nothing
As long as the phone feels smooth ignore benchmarks
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True but I'd like it to run like everyone else's...
Honestly it's just a matter of feeling like your on the top of the food chain =p and for the record, after afew hours of getting my processor warmed up and kicked in, my scores jumped way up
I don't need benchmark scores to know I'm better than every one else
Being stuck up is great
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So how exactally are u better than everyone else?
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Please share with the class
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Squirt oil in all phone openings... That'll make it slick as whale poo....
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Hey I was wondering, does my processor take breaking in? I just returned my other s3 because of defects but with this completely new one the quadrant scores and antutu scores are very low.. only like 3300 on quadrant and something low on antutu also.
The average stock benchmark scores are around 4800 and 6800 in antutu. So will my phone start breaking in and speeding up?
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Not to be rude. So sorry if this comes off all flame-Ish but you do realize that a CPU is made out of soi transistors those don't hold state if anything the heat slowly changes the resistance in negative ways over 1000s of hours of use leads to heat increase and eventual failure over a very long time line well that's how it goes in x86 computing only if stuff gets hot though. If it stays below 100Ish you don't see the heat increase part.
No seriously though Linux uses a cache so does dalvik and beyond that Android also uses a cache so benchmarks being subjective aside yes it takes a bit.
Just remember benchmarks are there to test changes and compare hardware. On Android....really Linux in general its almost impossible to compare hardware sometimes. The difference are not something that translates and. All of Android operates through a vm pretty much. ..
So your stuck back at comparison .using them to create a applicable baseline for say ....those tweaks you make in setcpu or maybe that shiny new kernel you flash vs the last version.
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Those benchmarks mean nothing
As long as the phone feels smooth ignore benchmarks
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I'm totally not with him though. If you are altering settings in your phone like cache stuff. You want to quantify the effects of the changes any way you can not that linpack our antutu or that complete piece of garbage quadrant are the defacto meter for that
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Not to be rude. So sorry if this comes off all flame-Ish but you do realize that a CPU is made out of soi transistors those don't hold state if anything the heat slowly changes the resistance in negative ways over 1000s of hours of use leads to heat increase and eventual failure over a very long time line well that's how it goes in x86 computing only if stuff gets hot though. If it stays below 100Ish you don't see the heat increase part.
No seriously though Linux uses a cache so does dalvik and beyond that Android also uses a cache so benchmarks being subjective aside yes it takes a bit.
Just remember benchmarks are there to test changes and compare hardware. On Android....really Linux in general its almost impossible to compare hardware sometimes. The difference are not something that translates and. All of Android operates through a vm pretty much. ..
So your stuck back at comparison .using them to create a applicable baseline for say ....those tweaks you make in setcpu or maybe that shiny new kernel you flash vs the last version.
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I'm totally not with him though. If you are altering settings in your phone like cache stuff. You want to quantify the effects of the changes any way you can not that linpack our antutu or that complete piece of garbage quadrant are the defacto meter for that
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I don't understand how I go from 3800 in quadrant to 5089 after a few hours of nothing but stock lol.. then 4200 antutu to 6867.. but it goes up and down a little. I like to think processors are getting more advanced and are becoming aware lol. Turning into brains. Give it 5 years and hardware for phones will be so good we can play wow on them and then later on s voice will have a real personality and be living XD she will shock you for even thinking about looking at an iPhone or HTC =p. I know I'm sleep typing or something and that this is all random XD
Could it be possible that your phone was busy building cache files ? If you get quadrant pro it give you a breakdown of each score if you notice your I/o score is low then the filesystem is busy doing god knows what .
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Buddy a15 arch power savings aside isn't that stellar AMD is the only one talking innovation in cpus. Trust me you will be looking through your cellphone soon not at looking at it
Just a quick Poll
How many of you fine folks OC? CPU, GPU, or CPU + GPU? What do you run at and what Kernel?
Just curious!
Nothing here. Don't see the need. That's just me though
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Nothing here. Don't see the need. That's just me though
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+1 fully stock:thumbup:
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I'm at 1800 MHz CPU and 733 MHz GPU - Just because my phone doesn't seem to run any hotter, battery life isn't impacted much - I overclock both on my PC, so I fall in the "why not get the free performance boost" sector.
Both 1800/640. I'm also in the why not free power crowd.
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I've only over clocked the cpu to 1704 I'm all for the why not get the free power but I'm also cognizant of the argument that over clocking can reduce the lifespan of the hardware. Anybody have any comments or views on that? Would like to hear some other opinions.
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1800mhz on carbon 1.8
Stock GPU speed. ..
Nova launcher set to faster than light. ..
Among 27 other major mods...
It's like you can hear my phone snap on screen transitions. ..lol...g
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I'm running....
Stock CPU/GPU Speed running CleanRom 3.0 SE AT&T
Saber Kernel 35.6 Trickster Mod Touchwake features
Apex Launcher Paid Version
stock speeds
i haven't found the need to oc the note 2. just running a custom rom that removed all the bloatware on it does wonders for me.
i am running the newest jedi and way new to the root and rom thing. it's nice to be able to overclock or underclock if i wanna.
the note 2 is by far the best phone i have ever owned.
What benefit do you guys see in over clocking the GPU?
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I would love to see benchmarks with overclocking of the Note 2, I am leery to touch it because something like Asphalt 8 already makes the phone VERY HOT around the camera lense area on the back.
ps. Asphalt 8 was unplayable on my phone with the stock rom, no matter what you did to clean up the ram, etc, even on the 'Medium' graphics setting. It hitched, it lagged, it hiccuped, and it made a game where you are constantly relying on drifting unplayable. After switching to the Probam rom, the game flies - on the highest setting. It never hitches, ever. I don't know if it is Android 4.3 giving the hardware more breathing room or just a cleaner overall OS that uses less Ram, either way the difference was ridiculous - and I am not overclocked. Yet.
since benchmarks mean absolutely nothing, when it comes to comparing phones, you'll be hard pressed to find anything posted here..most people, with a decent knowledge of how phones work, understand that posting these things are nothing more than an attempt to brag that your phone may or may not be running faster than someone else's; the truth being that no 2 phones do anything exactly like the other, no 2 people have the same exact setup, files, and other stuff on their phones, so these types of comparisons are completely meaningless..
I dont play Asphalt 8, but I have read other posts about people saying it makes their phones run hot...
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since benchmarks mean absolutely nothing, when it comes to comparing phones, you'll be hard pressed to find anything posted here..most people, with a decent knowledge of how phones work, understand that posting these things are nothing more than an attempt to brag that your phone may or may not be running faster than someone else's; the truth being that no 2 phones do anything exactly like the other, no 2 people have the same exact setup, files, and other stuff on their phones, so these types of comparisons are completely meaningless..
I dont play Asphalt 8, but I have read other posts about people saying it makes their phones run hot...
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Uhhh... How do you come up with the logic to say that "benchmarks mean absolutely nothing"? They certainly do mean something, the app is stress testing every functionality of the phone and measuring the results. What they are testing are systems (both hardware and software) that are used to push GAMES. Not 'Angry Birds', I am talking about engines pushing tens of thousands of polys with textures, sound effects, physics processing, redrawing the screen several times over for effects like shaders, etc, etc, etc....
Overclocking certainly makes a VERY REAL difference on a pc, how is a phone any different? You push the limits of the hardware beyond the specs it is 'rated for', some phones will make too much heat even with minor overclocking and result in crashes, lockups, and finally permanent failure. Some phones will handle the extra heat, and overclocking will result in noticable boost in performance. Yes, some game engines are locked at a specific framerate and will not be able to take advantage of 'more power', but in general a serious game engines uses all the resources available in the form of raw framerate.
using benchmarks to compare your phone to mine is meaningless; you dont have the same apps as me, you dont have the same settings as me, you dont have the same number of accounts checking email, you dont have the same amount of background apps as me, your settings are not the same as mine, and so on..
if you are having serious issues with your phone, benchmarking can be useful to determine if its software or hardware related, but otherwise, it has no true comparitive meaning...Go ahead a post a poll here, and see what I mean..anyone with extensive experience on this topic will agree..
I've been hacking/modding phones and pc's for 30 years, so, on this topic, I know of what I speak..
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using benchmarks to compare your phone to mine is meaningless; you dont have the same apps as me, you dont have the same settings as me, you dont have the same number of accounts checking email, you dont have the same amount of background apps as me, your settings are not the same as mine, and so on..
if you are having serious issues with your phone, benchmarking can be useful to determine if its software or hardware related, but otherwise, it has no true comparitive meaning...Go ahead a post a poll here, and see what I mean..anyone with extensive experience on this topic will agree..
I've been hacking/modding phones and pc's for 30 years, so, on this topic, I know of what I speak..
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wase4711 said:
using benchmarks to compare your phone to mine is meaningless; you dont have the same apps as me, you dont have the same settings as me, you dont have the same number of accounts checking email, you dont have the same amount of background apps as me, your settings are not the same as mine, and so on..
if you are having serious issues with your phone, benchmarking can be useful to determine if its software or hardware related, but otherwise, it has no true comparitive meaning...Go ahead a post a poll here, and see what I mean..anyone with extensive experience on this topic will agree..
I've been hacking/modding phones and pc's for 30 years, so, on this topic, I know of what I speak..
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Word.....g
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