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Why is this? Quadrant score

Hello. I have flashed the Synergy kernel for CM7 and I have CyanogenMod Self-Kang. I am overclocked to 1.8Ghz and have the lag free governor. Why is it that when I run a benchmark I get such low results? Take a look:
I've seen people getting around 5000 on this device! Is there a reason why it is under 4000?
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Edit: OK thanks. I am not going to post anymore and I encourage other people not to (by not post I mean in this "Why is this" forum. I'm sorry I posted in the wrong place...

first, wrong forum. Should put this in Q&A
second, Quadrant results means nothing, my phone is giving me 3k and it doesn't lag what so ever.

I've never hit 5000 with my phone I'm always in between 3000-4400. Plus benchmark scores mean nothing. Even if the device is not hardware accelerated it will still be lag free. Not to mention this post should of been in the "General" section. It is not about development. Re-post your question in General, you might get more answers.

Yo just because 1 person got away with posting in the wrong forum yesterday does not mean you can ask questions here. This is why we have different sections in the first place. Follow the rules of the forum and do your research because if you did you would have found out that quadrant means nothing.
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STOP USING QUADRANT!!!
Use a program that has been updated like Antutu.
Quadrant has not been updated in over a year. Let it die for the sake of human kind.
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Quadrant really doesn't do a very good job of true benchmarking, and it's WAY too easy to fool it. Some very simple hacks can be done to artificially increase the score by a large amount. For example:
1. enabling stagefright by default in the build.prop can do this (on some stock roms.) This will make it so the h.264 encoding test will be falsely inflated.
2. Tricking the system into using a ramdisk for it's IO test instead of the actual nand. This one should be self explanitory.
3. On the old galaxy phones, that used rfs for the filesystem, if converted to EXT4 it would give a HUGE boost, but no real world performance difference. (Quandrant doesn't seem to read rfs correctly.)
And believe me, there are PLENTY of others. No to mention its not optimized for more than one core.
Benchmarks mean nothing. Real world usability does, unless it's just an e-peen thing, my benchmarks are better than yours type of thing. It's kind of like overclocking. I've NEVER seen the point in it (on a cell phone, not a pc.) You end up taking a risk of greatly reducing the lifespan of your cpu for 2-3 extra frames a second in games, drain more battery power, and again, in real world use you won't see a difference at all.
If you're trying to show off to others how cool your phone is, instead of showing them quad scores that mean nothing, why not let them USE it for a few minutes? That's what sold me on this phone when I bought it, using someone's for about 15 minutes

It could have been he was using performance governor and cleared out his ram. That would cause a height quadrant score.
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Low benchmark scores after flashing faux007u...

On the stock kernal with the ViperX rom.
I got 12500.
Now with faux kernal I get like 9000.
Why?
I have a MUCH lower CPU score in benchmarks...

Geez you already asked this, why another identical thread? Benchmark means nothing, case closed.
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yeah what is everyones obsession with benchmarks its just a number..

Benchmarks just a number? Tell that to people who drive race cars.
0-60 in 3 seconds is still better performance than 0-60 in 3.5 seconds. If both cars have the same engine, same gearing and weigh the same, then something else must determine why one is slower than the other.
Same way with our phones. Benchmark tests, especially AnTuTu, do offer insights into the performance of our machines. So, instead of giving the snarky answer that 'benchmarks don't matter', just say you have no idea or don't post at all.

yes maybe numbers are more applicable to cars. but this is a mobile phone forum not a car forum.....
the benchmarks mean sod all. the actual experience of using the phone is what matters.
benchmarks can vary from the slightest differences in environment, so yeah it is just a number, and will change for almost anything..

lawrence750 said:
yes maybe numbers are more applicable to cars. but this is a mobile phone forum not a car forum.....
the benchmarks mean sod all. the actual experience of using the phone is what matters.
benchmarks can vary from the slightest differences in environment. they mean absolutely sod all.
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Really? A Mobile Phone Forum? How did I miss that part??
Sure experience matters, but to a lot of people, so do numbers. And 3000 points would make a difference, both numerically and perceptually.

I think this thread should be closed and open a new one talking about 10b5.
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Baldilocks said:
Sure experience matters, but to a lot of people, so do numbers. And 3000 points would make a difference, both numerically and perceptually.
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well seeing as the benchmarks can change literally from one minute to the next, and the fact they aren't that consistent, that essentially proves that the numbers don't mean as much as everyone makes out.
And therefore instead of basing how good your phone is operating on benchmark scores, just judge it on the actual performance of flicking through screens, loading apps , playing games etc etc - if there isn't a problem there, which i bet in the OPs case, there isn't any general performance issues, just a lower score. if there isn't any actual performance issues, then what the hell is the problem?

Hold on everyone. Small fluctuations in benchmark scores are nothing but a consistent drop of 25% is more meaningful, especially if all that changed was the kernel.
Why does everyone on here seem to just repeat what they read last week only with attitude added and regardless of factors such as severity.
To the OP... might be an idea to go back to stock and run several benchmarks to get a good overall picture. Note all the different scores for different tests (CPU, GPU, memory etc). Flash this kernel again and run several benchmarks. See which tests are affected and report your findings to Faux.

lawrence750 said:
well seeing as the benchmarks can change literally from one minute to the next, and the fact they aren't that consistent, that essentially proves that the numbers don't mean as much as everyone makes out.
And therefore instead of basing how good your phone is operating on benchmark scores, just judge it on the actual performance of flicking through screens, loading apps , playing games etc etc - if there isn't a problem there, which i bet in the OPs case, there isn't any general performance issues, just a lower score. if there isn't any actual performance issues, then what the hell is the problem?
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Numbers shouldn't be inconsistent. My scores fall within 0.5-1% of each other every time I run them.
Certain ROMs can have a major impact on performance. Just like going to 4.0.4 and Sense 4.1 made a huge positive performance difference. Guess what, you could actually see that difference with 'useless' benchmark tests too.

Op,
Did you cry? Did your heart feel broken? I've heard benchmark scores are everything, they define smartphones these days.

ben-fisher-bro said:
On the stock kernal with the ViperX rom.
I got 12500.
Now with faux kernal I get like 9000.
Why?
I have a MUCH lower CPU score in benchmarks...
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I found a fix for you! Just read this post here! http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?a=81
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Seeder Entropy Program found to be USELESS

stated by google employees and disproved by CyanogenMod's Acree
http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile...rooted-android-phones-proven-useless-2013014/

Figured as much but I was hopeful this was a real break threw for android.
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Nothing with that cool of a name can be useless.
But seriously I do notice a clear improvement the moment I turn it on no matter what these people say.
For instance the app I am using to type this on, Tapatalk can lag badly loading forums. I have noticed when the Seeder is turned on this never lags at all. YMMV.
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I. Don't care what android Dev says. It works. I bet it doesn't make much difference on a new device, but on a lower speced device' it does wonders.
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Boy this app is causing some discussion. Running on HP Touchpad on cm9. Battery burns faster, but improvement outways that loss. Works for me.
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mitchellvii said:
Nothing with that cool of a name can be useless.
But seriously I do notice a clear improvement the moment I turn it on no matter what these people say.
For instance the app I am using to type this on, Tapatalk can lag badly loading forums. I have noticed when the Seeder is turned on this never lags at all. YMMV.
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masondoctorjt said:
I. Don't care what android Dev says. It works. I bet it doesn't make much difference on a new device, but on a lower speced device' it does wonders.
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milski65 said:
Boy this app is causing some discussion. Running on HP Touchpad on cm9. Battery burns faster, but improvement outways that loss. Works for me.
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if you didnt happened to read the article, it only improves performance by continuously invoking all cores at the highest clock speed available on your kernel. this IS NOT a good thing.
" the app is forcing the CPU to stick to higher clock frequencies due to the constant I/O use. For many users, the processor running faster offers a smoother experience at the cost of your battery. As many users began to notice, Seeder was causing otherwise full day smartphones to die in four hours."

I read the article a few times. What I got from it is if constantly on, we will see a significant decrease in battery? So, can this decrease the life of the processor or is is it strictly related to battery performance? If just battery performance, I would give that up especially in the evenings when my phone is on a charger when I catch up on all the forums and rom development or searching websites that run videos or load alot of pictures. I can see not using while mobile but if I have a charger readily available I would run this as I am now and seeing significant differences.
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t3project said:
if you didnt happened to read the article, it only improves performance by continuously invoking all cores at the highest clock speed available on your kernel. this IS NOT a good thing.
" the app is forcing the CPU to stick to higher clock frequencies due to the constant I/O use. For many users, the processor running faster offers a smoother experience at the cost of your battery. As many users began to notice, Seeder was causing otherwise full day smartphones to die in four hours."
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So it lowers battery life and thus you say it is USELESS? How about those of us with spare batteries who want performance and don't care about lowered battery life? We want our rigs to scream and this mod seems to help.
Hardly useless. Better to update your OP to say, "If battery life is your number one consideration then this may not be the mod for you, but if you want to phone to run at it's fastest and don't care so much about battery life, you may enjoy this ..."
Users can turn it on when they have access to AC power and turn it off when they are going to be away from the juice for a while.

there are easier ways of boosting performance at the cost of battery life.
Performance governor does the trick just fine. (or setting min/max to the same clock speed.

m4xwellmurd3r said:
there are easier ways of boosting performance at the cost of battery life.
Performance governor does the trick just fine. (or setting min/max to the same clock speed.
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I already do all that. This mod makes it even faster for me.
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mitchellvii said:
I already do all that. This mod makes it even faster for me.
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That's called the placebo effect. The app doesn't do anything beyond keeping your cpu at higher clock speeds.if you're already doing this, then is doing nothing for you.
Tapatalk is a network intensive application. Whatever performance gains you perceive, are likely due to network issues.
I think your quad core phone with 2gb of ram can handle tapatalk.
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finalhit said:
That's called the placebo effect. The app doesn't do anything beyond keeping your cpu at higher clock speeds.if you're already doing this, then is doing nothing for you.
Tapatalk is a network intensive application. Whatever performance gains you perceive, are likely due to network issues.
I think your quad core phone with 2gb of ram can handle tapatalk.
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Please stop trying to tell me what I am experiencing and what I am not. I have been using smart phones for many years. I KNOW whether something is having a real effect or not.
I don't have the Seeder mod turn on by default. The other day after changing out my battery I opened Tapatalk and noticed that it was loading a half page of threads and then hanging. I turned the Seeder mod on and it immediately started loading the entire page. I turned it off and again it lagged.
There is NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER that this mod is making at least certain apps run faster.
The all powerful experts don't say it doesn't work they just say it burns battery (which is fine with me). Please stop projecting your apparent obsession with battery life onto the rest of us.
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mitchellvii said:
So it lowers battery life and thus you say it is USELESS? How about those of us with spare batteries who want performance and don't care about lowered battery life? We want our rigs to scream and this mod seems to help.
Hardly useless. Better to update your OP to say, "If battery life is your number one consideration then this may not be the mod for you, but if you want to phone to run at it's fastest and don't care so much about battery life, you may enjoy this ..."
Users can turn it on when they have access to AC power and turn it off when they are going to be away from the juice for a while.
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i say it is useless because it doesnt do anything you cant already do better. it's being marketed as if it is some new miracle program when it isnt. perseus at 1.8ghz w/ performance gov on will outperform this everyday, simply because the program is writing to your nand constantly, whereas, any kernel overclocked can do this without writing to nand. battery life wasnt really what i was talking about.
i pretty positive the continual writing/erasing of things from your nand is not a good thing and will significantly decrease the life of the emmc/nand on your phone as well as the life of your cpu.

I tried it and It works great on my one. I'm using icy snap 1.5 and it was little bit lagy but now 2x faster than before... :thumbup:
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I thought it was snake oil when I first saw it as well. Such a minor change would have been found long ago. Kinda like you won't see a minor tweak that anyone can do to fuel injectors that will improve gas mileage by 10mpg.
-- "Sensorly or it didn't happen!"

I think I might slap a Vtec sticker on my phone. I'll see if it gives me a performance bump too.
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mitchellvii said:
Please stop trying to tell me what I am experiencing and what I am not. I have been using smart phones for many years. I KNOW whether something is having a real effect or not.
I don't have the Seeder mod turn on by default. The other day after changing out my battery I opened Tapatalk and noticed that it was loading a half page of threads and then hanging. I turned the Seeder mod on and it immediately started loading the entire page. I turned it off and again it lagged.
There is NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER that this mod is making at least certain apps run faster.
The all powerful experts don't say it doesn't work they just say it burns battery (which is fine with me). Please stop projecting your apparent obsession with battery life onto the rest of us.
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Actually, you don't. Even the most experienced developers can't tell if their own applications are running faster specifically due to any one thing just by running them.
To make a causal connection, you not only need to do proper benchmarks, but also understand why.
The mod does have a side effect of keeping your clock speed higher, which can speed up your device...but if you said you've already set your governor to performance, then the mod is doing nothing for you.
And again, tapatalk is a network intensive application. Whatever improvement you see is much ado with network congestion that anything this mod can do.
...but c'mon, really though...tapatalk is your benchmark? My evo shift can handle tapatalk without lag.
Any lag you see in tapatalk is network related. And any improvement you see in tapatalk is network related.
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Oh well. I continue to be amused by the fact that individuals who are not in possession of my phone seem to know better how my phone is performing that I do.
Let me say it again. My phone JUST RUNS FASTER with this mod enabled. Period, end of sentence.
And you claim that SetCPU does exactly what this mod does if I set it at 1.8 performance? But you admit that this mod does it in a completely different way? So how do you know this doesn't add an extra benefit since it is doing something differently? You don't.
You keep talking about how tapatalk is network based and therefore this mod could have no effect. Did you consider that this mod may cause network data to be parsed faster and more efficiently? Image heavy web pages also load faster. The improvement is undeniable.
I promise you I will have sold or thrown away this phone long before the memory gets burned out.
Many many people feel this works for them yet you assume its all in our heads. Its not. Stick to your own head.
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The time I notice the most improvement is after I have been multitasking for a while. Without this mod I have noticed my GN2 kind of bogs down unless I clear memory. With this mod things seem to stay refreshed on their own.
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I'm convinced that by constantly having bowel movements that my toilet flushes faster.

mitchellvii said:
Oh well. I continue to be amused by the fact that individuals who are not in possession of my phone seem to know better how my phone is performing that I do.
Let me say it again. My phone JUST RUNS FASTER with this mod enabled. Period, end of sentence.
And you claim that SetCPU does exactly what this mod does if I set it at 1.8 performance? But you admit that this mod does it in a completely different way? So how do you know this doesn't add an extra benefit since it is doing something differently? You don't.
You keep talking about how tapatalk is network based and therefore this mod could have no effect. Did you consider that this mod may cause network data to be parsed faster and more efficiently? Image heavy web pages also load faster. The improvement is undeniable.
I promise you I will have sold or thrown away this phone long before the memory gets burned out.
Many many people feel this works for them yet you assume its all in our heads. Its not. Stick to your own head.
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The time I notice the most improvement is after I have been multitasking for a while. Without this mod I have noticed my GN2 kind of bogs down unless I clear memory. With this mod things seem to stay refreshed on their own.
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Because it doesn't. It didn't claim to do that. It claims to do one thing and thing only: it keeps /dev/random primed. Read the description of the app.
As a side effect, it keeps your clock "awake" and at a higher level. This is equivalent to switching to performance governor...but doing so in a manual way. (Less efficient way)
I think that's the problem with your over confidence. You are so sure that it's working...You don't even understand what the app does.
And the app definitely has no effect on memory management. Priming /dev/random will do nothing of the sort.
Also,You may not have noticed, I have the same phone as you. Of course, it's possible the app doesn't work for non-believers.
Yes, I know your next argument...it's not placebo because this makes things just seem faster.
I can't argue against that logic, but causality is definitely against you.
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Benchmarking weirdness

I just want to know if anyome can explain why when running antutu benchmarks I cant even get scores equal to the score the app says I should be getting for this phone let alone better ones. Infact I often get much worse scores not even close to what it says I should be getting. Even more so Im running custom rom with overclocked kernel and its just sad. When u look to see what your device other are gettibg score wise there is like a major difference. I get like 10,000 to like 14,000. Iv tried using set cpu to make it run better with no success. And I tried using the app that came with the kernel to make it better by changing some settings and still nothing. It seems like nothibg I do can even get me scores that the phone should get as an average let alone better ones even when overclocked and such.
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Funny you should post this...
I was angonizing over my scores a month or so ago, and was not getting scores even close to what I expected.
The tests made me so mad I gave up and went stock...LOL
Benchmarks are affected by soooooo many variables within the OS, they are often considered eye wash for speed related results.
The rom you run, the kernel, modem, background processing, data, wifi....blah blah blah....LOL
You see where I'm going with this ??
Stock TW based builds always run the best for me, and give the best scores...(remember, they dont mean much really).....really
If your device runs well, gets good battery life, and you are happy with the choice in roms you have made, then dont worry about antutu, or anything else.
Raw scores are called raw for a reason, as they are base estimates of a perceived result.
True testing of a device must be done under a set of rules only a factory can measure.....IMHO, and unless the devices being tested are paired "EXACTLY" the same, then the comparisons are flawed anyway......at least thats how i see it.....g

I understand that and I know how it affects but its more of a I do notice when my phone is quick or not and the scores usually reflect that. When I had my optimus g with it running alot more crap I was gettibg betyer scores and it wasnt overclocked and all that it was just stock. So I really believe that it should be running better than its showing leaving me to believe that there is somethibg wrong with the kernel or something. I have done this with quite a few devices and there usualky a noticeable difference from stock to overclocked scores. But with this phone seems like it dosent show on this phone.
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Very possible. ..
Most reports for this quad core tell us that overclocking takes the device a bit backward in speed and performance.
I overclocked for a few weeks, and saw no appreciable performance gains.
The end result for me was a stock variant rom and a stock kernel.
I then gained transition speeds with launcher changes.
Nova launcher, with the transition speeds set to maximum is quite impressive. And graphical transitions were running best at stock speeds.
I might get flamed for this, but I would honestly say that with minor UI adjustment, and stock kernels, this device needs very little if any real change at all to achieve the best performance.
Mileage will vary, but I'm staying rooted stock with a custom launcher.
Everything else seems to drag this device down. ..g

My real main issie is with gaming on the decice I notice glitching and slowness quite often and I just feel jipped. It is quad core 2gb of ram why is it so ****. I had the optimus g and it was amazing I only went to this phone for the screen size.
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theshamrockking said:
My real main issie is with gaming on the decice I notice glitching and slowness quite often and I just feel jipped. It is quad core 2gb of ram why is it so ****. I had the optimus g and it was amazing I only went to this phone for the screen size.
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It's been said that our note 2 is a bit lacking with the current GPU...although, a GPU overclock may help you the most, while leaving the CPU alone.
I've not tried any GPU modifications, unless the Roms I've used included them without my knowledge....g

I did try and overclock the gpu and I get vaired results I havent tried playing any of my graphically intense games yet so im not sure but I believe it may have slightly helped. Its too bad I had thought that the mali chip was better than the 330 thats in most high end phones now.
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I dont dare say that mali is poor, but I am willing to say that it does get outshined on more than one occasion....g

Thats just too bad. Maybe the note 3 will run nicer. Although if they do indeed increase the screen size again I dont think I will be abke to handle it so for my sake I hope it stays similar in size. This phone is about as big as im going to want.
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theshamrockking said:
Thats just too bad. Maybe the note 3 will run nicer. Although if they do indeed increase the screen size again I dont think I will be abke to handle it so for my sake I hope it stays similar in size. This phone is about as big as im going to want.
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Agreed....
This device is more than big enough. And overall, I'm happy with it. The performance is adequate for most applications, and unless a user pushes it really hard, the phone just runs well.
Not superb, but well....IMHO....g

gregsarg said:
Agreed....
This device is more than big enough. And overall, I'm happy with it. The performance is adequate for most applications, and unless a user pushes it really hard, the phone just runs well.
Not superb, but well....IMHO....g
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Oh I totally agree. I guess I only notice any thing because that optimus g blew me away. Considering I had previously had a htc vivid and a galaxy nexus as the best phones and so the optimus was amazing. This is more than adequate and I guess more so than the optimus as that had errors just trying to run some games. Like as if the game wasnt able to play well with the hardware. SoI more than like this phone.
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You should be trading your note for the optimal g. Benchmark scores are essentially useless and you shouldn't be bothering with them.
Seems like you would be happier with your old phone.
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theshamrockking said:
Oh I totally agree. I guess I only notice any thing because that optimus g blew me away. Considering I had previously had a htc vivid and a galaxy nexus as the best phones and so the optimus was amazing. This is more than adequate and I guess more so than the optimus as that had errors just trying to run some games. Like as if the game wasnt able to play well with the hardware. SoI more than like this phone.
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If you liked that g....just wait until the Optimus Pro hits...LOL
It's a bit cheaper built I think, but wow...It's a runner...(so they say)
check out it's specs on google....
The note3 will need to compete directly with it, and a few other choice pieces of hardware in the next 6 months if Sammy wants to stay on top.
The improvements from the note1 to this device are staggering, I can only imagine what a note3 will run like.....g

Oh yes iv read plenty about the g pro and it does sound nice iv thought about trying to trade the note for it. But I then remember the reasons I wanted the note instead. Its the dev comunity and the work that gets done. There was the boringist stuff going on over there. And plus it seems like the samsung devices hold value better and juat plane better ui than lg. Ao I like what I have juat miss some of the faster and smoother useI got out of the optimus.
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LittleRedDot said:
You should be trading your note for the optimal g. Benchmark scores are essentially useless and you shouldn't be bothering with them.
Seems like you would be happier with your old phone.
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To be honest benckmarks do matter but only if you really understand them and know how to use them. Im not just someone who sees **** score or awesome scores an decides anything. But the scores do matter. If u took a droid x and ran benchmarks and got **** scores and then ran this not you would see a difference. They matter just if you choose to see it. I know many many people who try and try to convince others that benchmarks dont matter when all a benckmark is is a test of the hardware and if u use the same program on different devices you will note the different qualitys in the scores. Showing you the pieces of hardware or software mostky hardware that is better or worse. Like with the mali vs the 330. Or the quad s4 vs I forget what is in this device. Or an amd vs a intel. They show what does what best. If you know what you are doing.
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I don't believe in benchmarks. I can run antutu and get xyz score, then run it again 10 seconds later and get abc score, then run it again 10 seconds late and lmn score, all to varying degrees. It's a gimmick.
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If the scores vary drastically its probably because of the background services and apps doing things. Sometimes there is less sometimes more. U either take that into account or you do it with a fresh phone with nothibg on it. Including no google account. Just sideload the app and then run the test and do it a few times they should be more similar.
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Regardless of scores. .. and considering the drastically different user habits, I do believe Samsung found excellent balance in both form and function with this device.
To add more power would kill battery. And drive the device size even larger.
I do feel they have a great balance here.
The note3 should become an absolute power phone if they build from this base....IMHO....g

Google edition roms lower benchmarks?

when I install a google edition or cyanogenmod rom or any rom thats not touchwiz I am getting lower scores just wondering why?

Lower's better. And all the TW junk in the background is taken out, leaving room for more processes, so of course it scores better.
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Tak23 said:
when I install a google edition or cyanogenmod rom or any rom thats not touchwiz I am getting lower scores just wondering why?
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But does it feel faster? Because that's what really matters...

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But does it feel faster? Because that's what really matters...
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This plus eleventy bagillion.
Benchmarks are totally arbitrary and meaningless.
TouchWiz ROMs scores great on benchmark tests because TW is specifically designed to perform well on such tests by putting the whole device into overdrive when the test is run. It doesn't mean that your day to day usage is better.

Tak23 said:
when I install a google edition or cyanogenmod rom or any rom thats not touchwiz I am getting lower scores just wondering why?
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That's a very subjective statement. "Lower is better" really depends on the apo being used. Some, eg. Quadrant, a higher score is better. Linpack is the same way.
As said before, benchmark apps don't tell you the real performance of a device. Though they can give you a baseline or at least a general idea of different aspects. I wouldn't jump on the "benchmarks are useless" bandwagon as they do serve a purpose.
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KCRic said:
That's a very subjective statement. "Lower is better" really depends on the apo being used. Some, eg. Quadrant, a higher score is better. Linpack is the same way.
As said before, benchmark apps don't tell you the real performance of a device. Though they can give you a baseline or at least a general idea of different aspects. I wouldn't jump on the "benchmarks are useless" bandwagon as they do serve a purpose.
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Well they are useless when ROMs are set up specifically to perform well on benchmark tests. That gives aboslutely no real world value.
The only time there is any validity to a banchmark comparison is when you are trying to compare 2 things that are set up almost exactly the same with only a single differing variable.
Like if you want to see if a phone is bad, you'd need to run a benchmark on the target phone and another on a different phone of the same model with the exact same settings. Or if you want to see in a mod if the cause of reduced performance, you would need to run a benchmark without the mod, then immediately after the mod, and repeat it several times to ensure you get repeatable results. Etc etc etc...
You can't just abandoned the scientific method and compare a benchmark of a TouchWiz rom with a benchmark of an AOSP rom with god only knows how many differences in the set up (kernel, clock speed, gpu settings, voltage, etc etc etc) and have it be a valid means of determining which is the better rom in any way. You can't even set it up properly so that all the settings match and the only difference is the ROM because there is so much incompatibility betweent the two that factors into it. Especially when the TouchWiz rom is set up with methods of inflating it's scores on benchmark tests and the AOSP ROM isn't.

I agree. Scientific method comes first in determining the performance of a ROM. Actually I would say real world and use experience is the best method. Given today's Hugh end phones, our for example, getting the most out of a benchmark or anything else serves little purpose. I can disable 2, even 3 core and still have a smooth experience with most daily a activities. Even underclocking the CPU & GPU still retains all the speed and usability.
I think most tech literate people use benchmarks just to see what the phone can do. Also, as a quick though fairly inaccurate method of determining if you're ROM and it's mods/scripts are efficient.
To answer the OP's question though - since AOSP is HW accelerated, has been for a while now, it should be "faster" and yield better benchmarks. Less running in the background. The most things are integrated as opposed to added on to the base ROM and code. That's a very generic and butchered explanation.
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