I just want to know if anyome can explain why when running antutu benchmarks I cant even get scores equal to the score the app says I should be getting for this phone let alone better ones. Infact I often get much worse scores not even close to what it says I should be getting. Even more so Im running custom rom with overclocked kernel and its just sad. When u look to see what your device other are gettibg score wise there is like a major difference. I get like 10,000 to like 14,000. Iv tried using set cpu to make it run better with no success. And I tried using the app that came with the kernel to make it better by changing some settings and still nothing. It seems like nothibg I do can even get me scores that the phone should get as an average let alone better ones even when overclocked and such.
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Funny you should post this...
I was angonizing over my scores a month or so ago, and was not getting scores even close to what I expected.
The tests made me so mad I gave up and went stock...LOL
Benchmarks are affected by soooooo many variables within the OS, they are often considered eye wash for speed related results.
The rom you run, the kernel, modem, background processing, data, wifi....blah blah blah....LOL
You see where I'm going with this ??
Stock TW based builds always run the best for me, and give the best scores...(remember, they dont mean much really).....really
If your device runs well, gets good battery life, and you are happy with the choice in roms you have made, then dont worry about antutu, or anything else.
Raw scores are called raw for a reason, as they are base estimates of a perceived result.
True testing of a device must be done under a set of rules only a factory can measure.....IMHO, and unless the devices being tested are paired "EXACTLY" the same, then the comparisons are flawed anyway......at least thats how i see it.....g
I understand that and I know how it affects but its more of a I do notice when my phone is quick or not and the scores usually reflect that. When I had my optimus g with it running alot more crap I was gettibg betyer scores and it wasnt overclocked and all that it was just stock. So I really believe that it should be running better than its showing leaving me to believe that there is somethibg wrong with the kernel or something. I have done this with quite a few devices and there usualky a noticeable difference from stock to overclocked scores. But with this phone seems like it dosent show on this phone.
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Very possible. ..
Most reports for this quad core tell us that overclocking takes the device a bit backward in speed and performance.
I overclocked for a few weeks, and saw no appreciable performance gains.
The end result for me was a stock variant rom and a stock kernel.
I then gained transition speeds with launcher changes.
Nova launcher, with the transition speeds set to maximum is quite impressive. And graphical transitions were running best at stock speeds.
I might get flamed for this, but I would honestly say that with minor UI adjustment, and stock kernels, this device needs very little if any real change at all to achieve the best performance.
Mileage will vary, but I'm staying rooted stock with a custom launcher.
Everything else seems to drag this device down. ..g
My real main issie is with gaming on the decice I notice glitching and slowness quite often and I just feel jipped. It is quad core 2gb of ram why is it so ****. I had the optimus g and it was amazing I only went to this phone for the screen size.
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My real main issie is with gaming on the decice I notice glitching and slowness quite often and I just feel jipped. It is quad core 2gb of ram why is it so ****. I had the optimus g and it was amazing I only went to this phone for the screen size.
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It's been said that our note 2 is a bit lacking with the current GPU...although, a GPU overclock may help you the most, while leaving the CPU alone.
I've not tried any GPU modifications, unless the Roms I've used included them without my knowledge....g
I did try and overclock the gpu and I get vaired results I havent tried playing any of my graphically intense games yet so im not sure but I believe it may have slightly helped. Its too bad I had thought that the mali chip was better than the 330 thats in most high end phones now.
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I dont dare say that mali is poor, but I am willing to say that it does get outshined on more than one occasion....g
Thats just too bad. Maybe the note 3 will run nicer. Although if they do indeed increase the screen size again I dont think I will be abke to handle it so for my sake I hope it stays similar in size. This phone is about as big as im going to want.
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Thats just too bad. Maybe the note 3 will run nicer. Although if they do indeed increase the screen size again I dont think I will be abke to handle it so for my sake I hope it stays similar in size. This phone is about as big as im going to want.
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Agreed....
This device is more than big enough. And overall, I'm happy with it. The performance is adequate for most applications, and unless a user pushes it really hard, the phone just runs well.
Not superb, but well....IMHO....g
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Agreed....
This device is more than big enough. And overall, I'm happy with it. The performance is adequate for most applications, and unless a user pushes it really hard, the phone just runs well.
Not superb, but well....IMHO....g
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Oh I totally agree. I guess I only notice any thing because that optimus g blew me away. Considering I had previously had a htc vivid and a galaxy nexus as the best phones and so the optimus was amazing. This is more than adequate and I guess more so than the optimus as that had errors just trying to run some games. Like as if the game wasnt able to play well with the hardware. SoI more than like this phone.
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You should be trading your note for the optimal g. Benchmark scores are essentially useless and you shouldn't be bothering with them.
Seems like you would be happier with your old phone.
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Oh I totally agree. I guess I only notice any thing because that optimus g blew me away. Considering I had previously had a htc vivid and a galaxy nexus as the best phones and so the optimus was amazing. This is more than adequate and I guess more so than the optimus as that had errors just trying to run some games. Like as if the game wasnt able to play well with the hardware. SoI more than like this phone.
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If you liked that g....just wait until the Optimus Pro hits...LOL
It's a bit cheaper built I think, but wow...It's a runner...(so they say)
check out it's specs on google....
The note3 will need to compete directly with it, and a few other choice pieces of hardware in the next 6 months if Sammy wants to stay on top.
The improvements from the note1 to this device are staggering, I can only imagine what a note3 will run like.....g
Oh yes iv read plenty about the g pro and it does sound nice iv thought about trying to trade the note for it. But I then remember the reasons I wanted the note instead. Its the dev comunity and the work that gets done. There was the boringist stuff going on over there. And plus it seems like the samsung devices hold value better and juat plane better ui than lg. Ao I like what I have juat miss some of the faster and smoother useI got out of the optimus.
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LittleRedDot said:
You should be trading your note for the optimal g. Benchmark scores are essentially useless and you shouldn't be bothering with them.
Seems like you would be happier with your old phone.
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To be honest benckmarks do matter but only if you really understand them and know how to use them. Im not just someone who sees **** score or awesome scores an decides anything. But the scores do matter. If u took a droid x and ran benchmarks and got **** scores and then ran this not you would see a difference. They matter just if you choose to see it. I know many many people who try and try to convince others that benchmarks dont matter when all a benckmark is is a test of the hardware and if u use the same program on different devices you will note the different qualitys in the scores. Showing you the pieces of hardware or software mostky hardware that is better or worse. Like with the mali vs the 330. Or the quad s4 vs I forget what is in this device. Or an amd vs a intel. They show what does what best. If you know what you are doing.
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I don't believe in benchmarks. I can run antutu and get xyz score, then run it again 10 seconds later and get abc score, then run it again 10 seconds late and lmn score, all to varying degrees. It's a gimmick.
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If the scores vary drastically its probably because of the background services and apps doing things. Sometimes there is less sometimes more. U either take that into account or you do it with a fresh phone with nothibg on it. Including no google account. Just sideload the app and then run the test and do it a few times they should be more similar.
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Regardless of scores. .. and considering the drastically different user habits, I do believe Samsung found excellent balance in both form and function with this device.
To add more power would kill battery. And drive the device size even larger.
I do feel they have a great balance here.
The note3 should become an absolute power phone if they build from this base....IMHO....g
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Hey all are the GS2 from Sprint and att superior to our tmobile version? hardware wise? I am new to rooting and all, and I just rooted my phone and it runs super better with all the bloatware removed.. My antutu bench scored like 5460. is that good? and when I freshly reboot i scored a 3800 in the quadrant. anyone know when an OC kernal will be out?
first off all benchmarks really don't mean much. they are cool to tote around but in the end of the day it makes something better than another.
lets just say that hardware wise the processors are faster on the sprint and att&t. Not stating they are but lets just pretend. What does that really mean? It'd take 0.1 seconds more to open something on the T-mobile. wow is that really relevant?
lets talk about things that matter. screen size. attt is smaller. fail for me. some might like a smaller phone and think 4.52" is too large. if it is go attt. Now sprint is big also. So what other differences is there. More roms on sprint. at least right now. that should be important to people on xda but the phone is young. I think you only need like 4 good roms anyway. Once we have those it'd be different.
really is a slight hardware difference important?
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first off all benchmarks really don't mean much. they are cool to tote around but in the end of the day it makes something better than another.
lets just say that hardware wise the processors are faster on the sprint and att&t. Not stating they are but lets just pretend. What does that really mean? It'd take 0.1 seconds more to open something on the T-mobile. wow is that really relevant?
lets talk about things that matter. screen size. attt is smaller. fail for me. some might like a smaller phone and think 4.52" is too large. if it is go attt. Now sprint is big also. So what other differences is there. More roms on sprint. at least right now. that should be important to people on xda but the phone is young. I think you only need like 4 good roms anyway. Once we have those it'd be different.
really is a slight hardware difference important?
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Very well put sir.
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Touchwiz is hardware accelerated for mali-400 which is more powerful than are gpu. The adreno 220 have better shaders and renders than the mali-400 but the mali is still more powerful. Our version of the galaxy s2 is not hardware accelerated like the other ones. Snapdragon S3 processors are optimized for battery life. Being asynchronous processors meaning even though you have a 1.5
dual core in your phone your phone is never actually reaching 1.5 in both cores at the same time. Both cores work independently from each other. This can make things lag as both processors scale differently from each other. But if programmed correctly they are on the same level with exynos processor if not better.
Thanks! Yes I agree I love my phone, and it runs every single app including every game like a champ, and I do love the bigger screen. I cant wait for more roms to come out for our phone. Anyone know when we will receive a OC kernal to start over clocking it?
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Thanks! Yes I agree I love my phone, and it runs every single app including every game like a champ, and I do love the bigger screen. I cant wait for more roms to come out for our phone. Anyone know when we will receive a OC kernal to start over clocking it?
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overclock? is there a reason to overclock except for (useless) bench marking? I'm still trying to find a game/app that this phone has a hard time running. The game deadspace runs 100% flawless!
I cant seem to download Dead Space.. from the flexion site, but I am downloading dungeon defenders now.
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overclock? is there a reason to overclock except for (useless) bench marking? I'm still trying to find a game/app that this phone has a hard time running. The game deadspace runs 100% flawless!
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Your right no need for overclock this processor is one of the higher clocks and we still get better battery life compared to the others variants. Dead space is a good example on optimization for the gpu for us. As soon as we get some kernels and optimized roms are phone will be sitting right next to the other beast.
att and sprint dont offer up to 42 mbps speed data speeds
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Touchwiz is hardware accelerated for mali-400 which is more powerful than are gpu. The adreno 220 have better shaders and renders than the mali-400 but the mali is still more powerful. Our version of the galaxy s2 is not hardware accelerated like the other ones. Snapdragon S3 processors are optimized for battery life. Being asynchronous processors meaning even though you have a 1.5
dual core in your phone your phone is never actually reaching 1.5 in both cores at the same time. Both cores work independently from each other. This can make things lag as both processors scale differently from each other. But if programmed correctly they are on the same level with exynos processor if not better.
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This. The big difference from a UI perspective is the lack of hardware acceleration on the TMO version. In all likelihood, it will still that way as well.
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show me some one that gets 42mb. show me someone who gets over 20mb consistantly.
In philadelphia I get 3-5mb with sprint 4g. I get 4-6mb with my gsII. Other cities may get other results
I can say from personal experience that the Sprint version kicks the snot out of this one. Wish I never sold mine and switched to this. but I couldn't pass up 30.00 a month for 5gb that I can actually use.
The Sprint version has barely any lag at all. Using the Tmobile one, it seems so slow that even my Nexus S can walk right by at times. I am seriously considering returning this and getting the htc Sensation or G2X. That's how much it bothers me.
Heck, if a fairly priced new in box Tmobile Android pops up on Craigslist, I will pick it up right away. 560 with tax for something that lags about the same as the Nexus S doesn't seem reasonable.
I know some folks are going to say benchmarks and all. But this is reality for me. I am currently using the S2 and the Sprint NS4G until the port finishes.
Oh and this morning, I did hit 23mbps on a speed test. But to be fair, it was 8am on a Sunday morning. I average anywhere from 3-17mbps where I live.
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overthatscreen said:
I can say from personal experience that the Sprint version kicks the snot out of this one. Wish I never sold mine and switched to this. but I couldn't pass up 30.00 a month for 5gb that I can actually use.
The Sprint version has barely any lag at all. Using the Tmobile one, it seems so slow that even my Nexus S can walk right by at times. I am seriously considering returning this and getting the htc Sensation or G2X. That's how much it bothers me.
Heck, if a fairly priced new in box Tmobile Android pops up on Craigslist, I will pick it up right away. 560 with tax for something that lags about the same as the Nexus S doesn't seem reasonable.
I know some folks are going to say benchmarks and all. But this is reality for me. I am currently using the S2 and the Sprint NS4G until the port finishes.
Oh and this morning, I did hit 23mbps on a speed test. But to be fair, it was 8am on a Sunday morning. I average anywhere from 3-17mbps where I live.
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Yep, this is pretty much the trade-off. With the optimizations going on over in the Dev threads, I have been able to get this phone to behave a fair amount more smoothly, but it's still pretty much a joke compared to the exynos versions.
On the other hand, my data speeds absolutely crush what I was getting with Sprint's wimax in NYC, so there you have it.
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I can say from personal experience that the Sprint version kicks the snot out of this one. Wish I never sold mine and switched to this. but I couldn't pass up 30.00 a month for 5gb that I can actually use.
The Sprint version has barely any lag at all. Using the Tmobile one, it seems so slow that even my Nexus S can walk right by at times. I am seriously considering returning this and getting the htc Sensation or G2X. That's how much it bothers me.
Heck, if a fairly priced new in box Tmobile Android pops up on Craigslist, I will pick it up right away. 560 with tax for something that lags about the same as the Nexus S doesn't seem reasonable.
I know some folks are going to say benchmarks and all. But this is reality for me. I am currently using the S2 and the Sprint NS4G until the port finishes.
Oh and this morning, I did hit 23mbps on a speed test. But to be fair, it was 8am on a Sunday morning. I average anywhere from 3-17mbps where I live.
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I just moved over from the Sprint version today. I will agree that the Sprint version is snappier but the service was horrible, like 300kbytes average, no thanks i will deal with a very tiny bit of lag for better service.
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jessejames111981 said:
show me some one that gets 42mb. show me someone who gets over 20mb consistantly.
In philadelphia I get 3-5mb with sprint 4g. I get 4-6mb with my gsII. Other cities may get other results
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The higher the theoretical top speed, the higher the real-world speed. Bottom line is that the tmo version is faster thanks to the processor's ability to run faster and tmo's network being way faster than both Sprint and ATT.
And to the guy who is having lag issues, I'm sorry man, that's not normal at all. I came from both the Sensation and G2x and while the G2x was the faster of those 2, my Herc blows both away. Maybe try an exchange before you downgrade back to the Sensation or G2x?
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jessejames111981 said:
show me some one that gets 42mb. show me someone who gets over 20mb consistantly.
In philadelphia I get 3-5mb with sprint 4g. I get 4-6mb with my gsII. Other cities may get other results
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Check out the city .....
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The higher the theoretical top speed, the higher the real-world speed. Bottom line is that the tmo version is faster thanks to the processor's ability to run faster and tmo's network being way faster than both Sprint and ATT.
And to the guy who is having lag issues, I'm sorry man, that's not normal at all. I came from both the Sensation and G2x and while the G2x was the faster of those 2, my Herc blows both away. Maybe try an exchange before you downgrade back to the Sensation or G2x?
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He's comparing it to the exynos SGS2 tho -- no amount of exchanging is going to make the TMO version look any better in that comparison.
This thread makes me sad I sold, my international exynos version for this
I was using it on att gophone $50 unlimited plan, getting 800 haha, which was ok for simple browsing.
Their prices are ridiculous so signing with.then is out of the question.
after owning it 3 months I sold it , and used the money to get this so I can be on a plan with high speed data
I miss hardware acceleration, and some games running very smoothly.
I liked the big screen, capacitive buttons, and Data speed.
I know I will get other phones and sell this eventually so I don't let it bother me......I try not to lol
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Idk about lag, but my phone doesn't lag at all. Fastest phone I've ever had.
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it was a big deal for me at first, but for my needs it is plenty capable
I miss the high graphics, but realize that good games aren't made to run on one device. If a good game comes out, developers want that game to run well on all devices, so long as they meet the sudden requirements.
Maybe i'm wrong
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Didn't see a thread for this in here anymore so I thought I'd post. I know synthetic benchmarks don't mean a lot but I'm curious of what other people are scoring since mine seems to be lower than others tested.
My phone is a Telus SGH-T989D with a rooted stock rom with SetCPU running the system at 1.5 and have the V6 Tweak setup.
I find it interesting others have scored over 4000.
I was going to ask this same question. I tried smart bench on stock rom and the score was always between 2500 and 3400 when i see results of over 4000... I now have the Bombaridier v1.3 Rom and still get the same low results?
Is this normal score or could our phones have some cpu problems? Im thinking on going to T-Mobile and exchange the phone since it also has the camera pink spot problem and minor screen lines and spots on low brightness in dark colors...
finally had some time to sit down and enjoy my phone
Why are we getting our clock cleaned by so many other SGII models?
I don't know if this is a contributing factor, but they're using 2.3.3
We're using 2.3.5
To further this pattern, from what I understand, ICS is causing qudrant scores in the low 2000's and below on good phones..
The more advanced the OS version, the more it taxes the phone.. Just an observation.
I understand that it's fun to see your phone on top, but aren't these "benchmark" tests pretty irrelevant to performance and satisfaction? Is your phone laggy? Do you have any problems or is everything buttery smooth and running well? If it is then I wouldn't worry about arbitrary test results to be honest. You can run benchmarks over and over and get a different score every time. You can cheat on them. In the end just find a ROM/Kernel with the settings and features you like and enjoy it!
Yes that's true but every upgrade in OS uses more resources, so you're bound to see more lag on ICS than our current ROM
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I guess not that many people use this one.
I just got my Nexus yesterday (from Negri Electronics) and comparing it to my SGSII:
Nexus is rooted and I've installed CWM - otherwise "stock" ICS
SGSII is running CheckROM RevolutionHD 3.1.1
Quadrant Standard for SGN is 1891 v. SGSII is 3648! - any idea why the SGSII is so much better?
Speedtest (with both phones sitting next to each other) is SGN 4.573UP & 1.554 down (H+) and SGSII is 4.634UP and 1.639 down - pretty much the same even after a couple of tries.
While I'm loving ICS and the better screen resolution, I'm having a hard time letting go of my SGSII. When you exclude the screen space used for the "virtual" buttons on the SGN, you are left with essentially the same size screen on both units. Also, even though the SGN is really only a little bit taller than the SGSII, it really (IMHO) makes a difference.
This is going to be tough. Any reason why the quadrant performance is so much better on the SGSII?
Who cares. Quadrant doesn't mean ****. Use the one you like better.
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Well ICS uses the GPU for acceleration in its apps. Perhaps ICS is dedicating a chunk.
Benchmarks are useless anyway. Our G2xs can be modded to read over 7000.
You also need the SGSII on ICS for any decent comparison.
G2x - 2.3.7 CM7
Transformer - 3.2 Revolver OC/UV
Really? You compare phones by quadrant results?
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well, what feels better/faster to you?
Quadrant doesn't matter. Does the phone perform the way you want it to? Is it smooth? Then who cares?
If bragging about quadrant scores is that important to you then keep our SGSII.
For starters you're comparing a mostly stock phone to a phone with a rom that's been optimized to run better. You're also using a benchmark that hasn't even been updated for 4.0 yet. When the NS came out you had to run it 5-10 times before it finally finished and gave you a meaningless score since it wasn't updated to run on 2.3 at the time. And let's not forget, it has to render the graphics at nearly double the resolution of the SGS2. Give the phone time to stretch its legs, it'll show you how good it is. Besides, benchmarks really only good for posting screenshots on online message boards.
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For starters you're comparing a mostly stock phone to a phone with a rom that's been optimized to run better. You're also using a benchmark that hasn't even been updated for 4.0 yet. When the NS came out you had to run it 5-10 times before it finally finished and gave you a meaningless score since it wasn't updated to run on 2.3 at the time. And let's not forget, it has to render the graphics at nearly double the resolution of the SGS2. Give the phone time to stretch its legs, it'll show you how good it is. Besides, benchmarks really only good for posting screenshots on online message boards.
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Quadrant doesn't even run both cores correctly. Besides that, the GS2 has better CPU/GPU. However, it doesn't have the screen or, the developer support that the GN will have. Personally, Id have a hard time shelling out the cash for a GN if I already had a GS2...
That being said, I'd never consider getting rid of my GN for a GS2 if that makes sense.
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so you using the phone doesn't matter? You would prefer what a software that hasn't been updated in over six months to tell you which is better?
martonikaj said:
Quadrant doesn't matter. Does the phone perform the way you want it to? Is it smooth? Then who cares?
If bragging about quadrant scores is that important to you then keep our SGSII.
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nexus is flying machine! and even with revolution HD
there is no lag, no delay... everything is blazing fast! and i had SGS2 running cognition...and i can tell without any benchmark that it was not as fast as GN is!
remember this is pure android - vanila - and its need some time to get over developers that will make it even faster. and once SGS2 will be running ICs we can do a reall test. but at this stage any results are pointless mate.
Why did you buy the Galaxy Nexus if you want the best benchmark results?
If i had an SGS2 then the only reason to buy the GN is ICS and the design (maybe NFC too), you dont buy it for the specs obviously.
Before someone chimes in about the GNEX camera sucking, it really doesn't. It may not be as good as the SGSII (I owned it, so I know) but it's perfectly serviceable for a phone.
Took today while on a hike...
It's obviously compressed so I could attach it. The original file is crystal clear.
The Samsung Galaxy S II has a significantly better SoC than the Galaxy Nexus. It is no surprise than the Galaxy Nexus doesn't hold a candle to it in benchmarks.
Why am i having deja vu? Of deja vu? Lame thread. And lame comparison.
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Quadrant scores don't matter due to the fact that you have to compare the two devices using the same rom. once ICS is on the SGS2 then there will be a comparable quadrant score.
But can't wait till I get my hands on SGN in a few days
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Quadrant scores don't matter due to the fact that you have to compare the two devices using the same rom. once ICS is on the SGS2 then there will be a comparable quadrant score.
But can't wait till I get my hands on SGN in a few days
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probably not, the sgs2 has a better gpu
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The Samsung Galaxy S II has a significantly better SoC than the Galaxy Nexus. It is no surprise than the Galaxy Nexus doesn't hold a candle to it in benchmarks.
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I don't really know where you get off saying that...
The SoC isn't really any better. And consider that the GN also is running underclocked.
Anandtech Article
That should really say it all.
Also, chiming in to say that benchmarks like Quadrant really don't mean much overall. Keep the phone if you like it.
Wow! A lot of responses. Thanks to those who helped me understand the differences between the phones. I've only had the SGN for a little more than 24 hours so don't yet have an opinion on one over the other in day2day use. Love the screen resolution on SGN and ICS in general though hard to find anything to not like about the SGS2. Hopefully future ROMs & enhancements will make the differences even more pronounced. Usually my "old" phone goes right on sale as soon as I've configured the new one. In the case of SGN v SGS2, I think I'll keep the SGS2 for awhile longer ...
ugh....so many clueless pointless remarks and evidence to back their comments.
To the person that said the SGS2 doesn't have the type of developer community the GN has. You do realize the SGS2 has the largest developer backing of any phone right? It's larger than the Nexus etc...Galaxy phones have always had large developer community and backing since the original one came out and its not changing I wouldn't really worry about one having a larger community than the other as they are both going to be huge.
The Galaxy Nexus is more of a side upgrade than a complete full upgrade (thats what the SGS III is for).
Galaxy Nexus has advantage of vanilla 4.0 ICS and a larger 720P screen that also performs better than the SAMOLED + on the SGS II.
CPU - might as well toss it up as a tie, the TI OMAP has some things that make it favorable for ICS
GPU - no competition the MALI destroys the older SGX 540 even if it is over clocked.
Camera - the SGS II is better but it doesn't really matter, the 5MP on the GN takes fine shots and really you should be using a point and shoot or DSLR if you want real photos.
Quandrant is not a good way to see what phone is faster since its become really pointless lately and can be cheated. It's also not updated for 4.0 ICS as others have stated making the scores even more pointless.
But yea, don't really see the point at all of dishing out $700 for a GN if someone already has an SGS 2.
SGS 2 on ICS will likely be faster than the GN though just due to the MALI GPU and exynos being probably one of the fastest clock for clock. And initial benchmarks from the Galnet ICS show the SGS 2 getting some better scores on things like sunspider but they're close enough.
I have tested both the Galaxy Nexus and the T-Mobile S2. The Nexus is worlds apart better.
I saw the review of the ics gs2 and at the end i saw some benchmarks... on the cpu side the nexus seems to hold its own againts the xperia s which on paper has a faster cpu snapdragon 3 1.5Ghz compare to omap 4460 1.2.. also gs2 seems to be slightly slower in the cpu benchmarks compared to Gnex.... What do you think?
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_ii_ics_vs_gingerbread-review-737p4.php
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I saw the review of the ics gs2 and at the end i saw some benchmarks... on the cpu side the nexus seems to hold its own againts the xperia s which on paper has a faster cpu snapdragon 3 1.5Ghz compare to omap 4460 1.2.. also gs2 seems to be slightly slower in the cpu benchmarks compared to Gnex.... What do you think.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_ii_ics_vs_gingerbread-review-737p4.php
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gs2 is surely faster on graphics (it has a more advanced gpu, though clocked slower), but it has less screen resolution.
on the cpu side they should be pretty equivalent.
i don't know about the xperia.
In real world usage my SGS2 was significantly faster than my GNEX in every department barring taking a picture.
I wouldn't trust that much on benchmarks.
What matters is how polished the stock roms are for each device.
I love how the nexus keep running smooth even after installing a ton of apps, never experienced the same with other devices.
While the MSM8260 (Xperia S) is clocked faster, it has a single channel memory interface while the TI-OMAP 4460 (Galaxy Nexus) has a dual channel interface.
Also beware of those benchmark tools. Most of them are crap. For example they use the phone's resolution to do 2D/3D benchmark which is not a fair way to compare.
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In real world usage my SGS2 was significantly faster than my GNEX in every department barring taking a picture.
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Was it significantly faster in getting updates?
Benchmarks are cool in a sense, but I've started ignoring them. My GNex has been really fast, even with Window and Transition Animations. There are exceptions. I ABUSE my Android devices with heat (nature of my work environment). When it gets hot, it does lag. At the same time, the CPU is also scaling itself back. When I get the rare lock'n'reboot it's pretty much always due to heat. Typically, flinging through settings, menus, apps, etc is really fast. Right now I have wireless tethering on and I'm streaming audio through Tune In. My battery is almost 120F. It's slower. Any device would be. If I pick up my Nook running CM7, it'll be slower right now too due to heat.
Benchmarks mean very little to me now. I mean, what's the point? What are you gonna do, brag about a superficial number? Get it engraved on your belt buckle? I think they can be an indication of certain aspects of a device, but benchmarks do not necessarily tell someone what kind of user experience that device is going to provide.
If I pick up my favorite device and I can do what I want to do quickly and smoothly then I'm fine with it. Even OCing a high end device is something I've never been able to tell a difference with. Now my Nook, yeah, an overclock worked wonders. On the GNex, pish, nah. Remember too, a lot of these 1.5Ghz devices are pushing a bloated framework too. Beyond that, ICS is going to have it's own limitations, especially when it has bugs to get worked out.
It can kinda be like cramming 16GB's of Ram into a PC running 32 bit Windows 7. The hardware addition is irrelevant and while you can brag about 16 gigs of ram to all of your friends, it's a pointless feature of your system.
one thing for sure is that software optimization means much more than hardware differences between those 3 phones.
thus, it depends on what you're going to run: stock, aosp, cyanogen, miui? that's the question.
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While the MSM8260 (Xperia S) is clocked faster, it has a single channel memory interface while the TI-OMAP 4460 (Galaxy Nexus) has a dual channel interface.
Also beware of those benchmark tools. Most of them are crap. For example they use the phone's resolution to do 2D/3D benchmark which is not a fair way to compare.
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This. I think one of my favorite aspects of the nexus is its dual channel memory. So important for performance.
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In real world usage my SGS2 was significantly faster than my GNEX in every department barring taking a picture.
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To me it seems exactly the opossite.. my gnex is faster than my gs2.... except in gaming.. the animations on the gs2 are different, than on the stock ics...
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My nexus is much faster at browsing than my wires gs2, and my work iphone4s..what? I didn't get to choose!
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I've used both the tmobile s2 and now the nexus....I'm a big time xda guy and root user so as the developers went to the nexus, I went to the nexus! Lol! If the s2 gets stock ics, it'll be just as good but that'll be a long time! We nexus users have had ics for months already!
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I've used both the tmobile s2 and now the nexus....I'm a big time xda guy and root user so as the developers went to the nexus, I went to the nexus! Lol! If the s2 gets stock ics, it'll be just as good but that'll be a long time! We nexus users have had ics for months already!
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We've had a pretty stable CM9 for the i9100 for quite a while now. But it still can't compare to the Galaxy Nexus....can't wait for mine to come
Just swapped over from the t989 gs2. The nexus is much smoother. We were always telling ourselves that our phones were better because of the supposedly better hardware... There were many threads Lol. Now that I have it I can see the experience doesn't even compare. Never buying anything touchwiz again
Just a quick Poll
How many of you fine folks OC? CPU, GPU, or CPU + GPU? What do you run at and what Kernel?
Just curious!
Nothing here. Don't see the need. That's just me though
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Nothing here. Don't see the need. That's just me though
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+1 fully stock:thumbup:
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I'm at 1800 MHz CPU and 733 MHz GPU - Just because my phone doesn't seem to run any hotter, battery life isn't impacted much - I overclock both on my PC, so I fall in the "why not get the free performance boost" sector.
Both 1800/640. I'm also in the why not free power crowd.
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I've only over clocked the cpu to 1704 I'm all for the why not get the free power but I'm also cognizant of the argument that over clocking can reduce the lifespan of the hardware. Anybody have any comments or views on that? Would like to hear some other opinions.
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1800mhz on carbon 1.8
Stock GPU speed. ..
Nova launcher set to faster than light. ..
Among 27 other major mods...
It's like you can hear my phone snap on screen transitions. ..lol...g
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I'm running....
Stock CPU/GPU Speed running CleanRom 3.0 SE AT&T
Saber Kernel 35.6 Trickster Mod Touchwake features
Apex Launcher Paid Version
stock speeds
i haven't found the need to oc the note 2. just running a custom rom that removed all the bloatware on it does wonders for me.
i am running the newest jedi and way new to the root and rom thing. it's nice to be able to overclock or underclock if i wanna.
the note 2 is by far the best phone i have ever owned.
What benefit do you guys see in over clocking the GPU?
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I would love to see benchmarks with overclocking of the Note 2, I am leery to touch it because something like Asphalt 8 already makes the phone VERY HOT around the camera lense area on the back.
ps. Asphalt 8 was unplayable on my phone with the stock rom, no matter what you did to clean up the ram, etc, even on the 'Medium' graphics setting. It hitched, it lagged, it hiccuped, and it made a game where you are constantly relying on drifting unplayable. After switching to the Probam rom, the game flies - on the highest setting. It never hitches, ever. I don't know if it is Android 4.3 giving the hardware more breathing room or just a cleaner overall OS that uses less Ram, either way the difference was ridiculous - and I am not overclocked. Yet.
since benchmarks mean absolutely nothing, when it comes to comparing phones, you'll be hard pressed to find anything posted here..most people, with a decent knowledge of how phones work, understand that posting these things are nothing more than an attempt to brag that your phone may or may not be running faster than someone else's; the truth being that no 2 phones do anything exactly like the other, no 2 people have the same exact setup, files, and other stuff on their phones, so these types of comparisons are completely meaningless..
I dont play Asphalt 8, but I have read other posts about people saying it makes their phones run hot...
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since benchmarks mean absolutely nothing, when it comes to comparing phones, you'll be hard pressed to find anything posted here..most people, with a decent knowledge of how phones work, understand that posting these things are nothing more than an attempt to brag that your phone may or may not be running faster than someone else's; the truth being that no 2 phones do anything exactly like the other, no 2 people have the same exact setup, files, and other stuff on their phones, so these types of comparisons are completely meaningless..
I dont play Asphalt 8, but I have read other posts about people saying it makes their phones run hot...
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Uhhh... How do you come up with the logic to say that "benchmarks mean absolutely nothing"? They certainly do mean something, the app is stress testing every functionality of the phone and measuring the results. What they are testing are systems (both hardware and software) that are used to push GAMES. Not 'Angry Birds', I am talking about engines pushing tens of thousands of polys with textures, sound effects, physics processing, redrawing the screen several times over for effects like shaders, etc, etc, etc....
Overclocking certainly makes a VERY REAL difference on a pc, how is a phone any different? You push the limits of the hardware beyond the specs it is 'rated for', some phones will make too much heat even with minor overclocking and result in crashes, lockups, and finally permanent failure. Some phones will handle the extra heat, and overclocking will result in noticable boost in performance. Yes, some game engines are locked at a specific framerate and will not be able to take advantage of 'more power', but in general a serious game engines uses all the resources available in the form of raw framerate.
using benchmarks to compare your phone to mine is meaningless; you dont have the same apps as me, you dont have the same settings as me, you dont have the same number of accounts checking email, you dont have the same amount of background apps as me, your settings are not the same as mine, and so on..
if you are having serious issues with your phone, benchmarking can be useful to determine if its software or hardware related, but otherwise, it has no true comparitive meaning...Go ahead a post a poll here, and see what I mean..anyone with extensive experience on this topic will agree..
I've been hacking/modding phones and pc's for 30 years, so, on this topic, I know of what I speak..
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using benchmarks to compare your phone to mine is meaningless; you dont have the same apps as me, you dont have the same settings as me, you dont have the same number of accounts checking email, you dont have the same amount of background apps as me, your settings are not the same as mine, and so on..
if you are having serious issues with your phone, benchmarking can be useful to determine if its software or hardware related, but otherwise, it has no true comparitive meaning...Go ahead a post a poll here, and see what I mean..anyone with extensive experience on this topic will agree..
I've been hacking/modding phones and pc's for 30 years, so, on this topic, I know of what I speak..
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I agree
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wase4711 said:
using benchmarks to compare your phone to mine is meaningless; you dont have the same apps as me, you dont have the same settings as me, you dont have the same number of accounts checking email, you dont have the same amount of background apps as me, your settings are not the same as mine, and so on..
if you are having serious issues with your phone, benchmarking can be useful to determine if its software or hardware related, but otherwise, it has no true comparitive meaning...Go ahead a post a poll here, and see what I mean..anyone with extensive experience on this topic will agree..
I've been hacking/modding phones and pc's for 30 years, so, on this topic, I know of what I speak..
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Word.....g
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