stated by google employees and disproved by CyanogenMod's Acree
http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile...rooted-android-phones-proven-useless-2013014/
Figured as much but I was hopeful this was a real break threw for android.
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Nothing with that cool of a name can be useless.
But seriously I do notice a clear improvement the moment I turn it on no matter what these people say.
For instance the app I am using to type this on, Tapatalk can lag badly loading forums. I have noticed when the Seeder is turned on this never lags at all. YMMV.
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I. Don't care what android Dev says. It works. I bet it doesn't make much difference on a new device, but on a lower speced device' it does wonders.
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Boy this app is causing some discussion. Running on HP Touchpad on cm9. Battery burns faster, but improvement outways that loss. Works for me.
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mitchellvii said:
Nothing with that cool of a name can be useless.
But seriously I do notice a clear improvement the moment I turn it on no matter what these people say.
For instance the app I am using to type this on, Tapatalk can lag badly loading forums. I have noticed when the Seeder is turned on this never lags at all. YMMV.
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I. Don't care what android Dev says. It works. I bet it doesn't make much difference on a new device, but on a lower speced device' it does wonders.
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Boy this app is causing some discussion. Running on HP Touchpad on cm9. Battery burns faster, but improvement outways that loss. Works for me.
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if you didnt happened to read the article, it only improves performance by continuously invoking all cores at the highest clock speed available on your kernel. this IS NOT a good thing.
" the app is forcing the CPU to stick to higher clock frequencies due to the constant I/O use. For many users, the processor running faster offers a smoother experience at the cost of your battery. As many users began to notice, Seeder was causing otherwise full day smartphones to die in four hours."
I read the article a few times. What I got from it is if constantly on, we will see a significant decrease in battery? So, can this decrease the life of the processor or is is it strictly related to battery performance? If just battery performance, I would give that up especially in the evenings when my phone is on a charger when I catch up on all the forums and rom development or searching websites that run videos or load alot of pictures. I can see not using while mobile but if I have a charger readily available I would run this as I am now and seeing significant differences.
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if you didnt happened to read the article, it only improves performance by continuously invoking all cores at the highest clock speed available on your kernel. this IS NOT a good thing.
" the app is forcing the CPU to stick to higher clock frequencies due to the constant I/O use. For many users, the processor running faster offers a smoother experience at the cost of your battery. As many users began to notice, Seeder was causing otherwise full day smartphones to die in four hours."
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So it lowers battery life and thus you say it is USELESS? How about those of us with spare batteries who want performance and don't care about lowered battery life? We want our rigs to scream and this mod seems to help.
Hardly useless. Better to update your OP to say, "If battery life is your number one consideration then this may not be the mod for you, but if you want to phone to run at it's fastest and don't care so much about battery life, you may enjoy this ..."
Users can turn it on when they have access to AC power and turn it off when they are going to be away from the juice for a while.
there are easier ways of boosting performance at the cost of battery life.
Performance governor does the trick just fine. (or setting min/max to the same clock speed.
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there are easier ways of boosting performance at the cost of battery life.
Performance governor does the trick just fine. (or setting min/max to the same clock speed.
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I already do all that. This mod makes it even faster for me.
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I already do all that. This mod makes it even faster for me.
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That's called the placebo effect. The app doesn't do anything beyond keeping your cpu at higher clock speeds.if you're already doing this, then is doing nothing for you.
Tapatalk is a network intensive application. Whatever performance gains you perceive, are likely due to network issues.
I think your quad core phone with 2gb of ram can handle tapatalk.
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That's called the placebo effect. The app doesn't do anything beyond keeping your cpu at higher clock speeds.if you're already doing this, then is doing nothing for you.
Tapatalk is a network intensive application. Whatever performance gains you perceive, are likely due to network issues.
I think your quad core phone with 2gb of ram can handle tapatalk.
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Please stop trying to tell me what I am experiencing and what I am not. I have been using smart phones for many years. I KNOW whether something is having a real effect or not.
I don't have the Seeder mod turn on by default. The other day after changing out my battery I opened Tapatalk and noticed that it was loading a half page of threads and then hanging. I turned the Seeder mod on and it immediately started loading the entire page. I turned it off and again it lagged.
There is NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER that this mod is making at least certain apps run faster.
The all powerful experts don't say it doesn't work they just say it burns battery (which is fine with me). Please stop projecting your apparent obsession with battery life onto the rest of us.
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So it lowers battery life and thus you say it is USELESS? How about those of us with spare batteries who want performance and don't care about lowered battery life? We want our rigs to scream and this mod seems to help.
Hardly useless. Better to update your OP to say, "If battery life is your number one consideration then this may not be the mod for you, but if you want to phone to run at it's fastest and don't care so much about battery life, you may enjoy this ..."
Users can turn it on when they have access to AC power and turn it off when they are going to be away from the juice for a while.
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i say it is useless because it doesnt do anything you cant already do better. it's being marketed as if it is some new miracle program when it isnt. perseus at 1.8ghz w/ performance gov on will outperform this everyday, simply because the program is writing to your nand constantly, whereas, any kernel overclocked can do this without writing to nand. battery life wasnt really what i was talking about.
i pretty positive the continual writing/erasing of things from your nand is not a good thing and will significantly decrease the life of the emmc/nand on your phone as well as the life of your cpu.
I tried it and It works great on my one. I'm using icy snap 1.5 and it was little bit lagy but now 2x faster than before... :thumbup:
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I thought it was snake oil when I first saw it as well. Such a minor change would have been found long ago. Kinda like you won't see a minor tweak that anyone can do to fuel injectors that will improve gas mileage by 10mpg.
-- "Sensorly or it didn't happen!"
I think I might slap a Vtec sticker on my phone. I'll see if it gives me a performance bump too.
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Please stop trying to tell me what I am experiencing and what I am not. I have been using smart phones for many years. I KNOW whether something is having a real effect or not.
I don't have the Seeder mod turn on by default. The other day after changing out my battery I opened Tapatalk and noticed that it was loading a half page of threads and then hanging. I turned the Seeder mod on and it immediately started loading the entire page. I turned it off and again it lagged.
There is NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER that this mod is making at least certain apps run faster.
The all powerful experts don't say it doesn't work they just say it burns battery (which is fine with me). Please stop projecting your apparent obsession with battery life onto the rest of us.
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Actually, you don't. Even the most experienced developers can't tell if their own applications are running faster specifically due to any one thing just by running them.
To make a causal connection, you not only need to do proper benchmarks, but also understand why.
The mod does have a side effect of keeping your clock speed higher, which can speed up your device...but if you said you've already set your governor to performance, then the mod is doing nothing for you.
And again, tapatalk is a network intensive application. Whatever improvement you see is much ado with network congestion that anything this mod can do.
...but c'mon, really though...tapatalk is your benchmark? My evo shift can handle tapatalk without lag.
Any lag you see in tapatalk is network related. And any improvement you see in tapatalk is network related.
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Oh well. I continue to be amused by the fact that individuals who are not in possession of my phone seem to know better how my phone is performing that I do.
Let me say it again. My phone JUST RUNS FASTER with this mod enabled. Period, end of sentence.
And you claim that SetCPU does exactly what this mod does if I set it at 1.8 performance? But you admit that this mod does it in a completely different way? So how do you know this doesn't add an extra benefit since it is doing something differently? You don't.
You keep talking about how tapatalk is network based and therefore this mod could have no effect. Did you consider that this mod may cause network data to be parsed faster and more efficiently? Image heavy web pages also load faster. The improvement is undeniable.
I promise you I will have sold or thrown away this phone long before the memory gets burned out.
Many many people feel this works for them yet you assume its all in our heads. Its not. Stick to your own head.
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The time I notice the most improvement is after I have been multitasking for a while. Without this mod I have noticed my GN2 kind of bogs down unless I clear memory. With this mod things seem to stay refreshed on their own.
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I'm convinced that by constantly having bowel movements that my toilet flushes faster.
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Oh well. I continue to be amused by the fact that individuals who are not in possession of my phone seem to know better how my phone is performing that I do.
Let me say it again. My phone JUST RUNS FASTER with this mod enabled. Period, end of sentence.
And you claim that SetCPU does exactly what this mod does if I set it at 1.8 performance? But you admit that this mod does it in a completely different way? So how do you know this doesn't add an extra benefit since it is doing something differently? You don't.
You keep talking about how tapatalk is network based and therefore this mod could have no effect. Did you consider that this mod may cause network data to be parsed faster and more efficiently? Image heavy web pages also load faster. The improvement is undeniable.
I promise you I will have sold or thrown away this phone long before the memory gets burned out.
Many many people feel this works for them yet you assume its all in our heads. Its not. Stick to your own head.
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The time I notice the most improvement is after I have been multitasking for a while. Without this mod I have noticed my GN2 kind of bogs down unless I clear memory. With this mod things seem to stay refreshed on their own.
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Because it doesn't. It didn't claim to do that. It claims to do one thing and thing only: it keeps /dev/random primed. Read the description of the app.
As a side effect, it keeps your clock "awake" and at a higher level. This is equivalent to switching to performance governor...but doing so in a manual way. (Less efficient way)
I think that's the problem with your over confidence. You are so sure that it's working...You don't even understand what the app does.
And the app definitely has no effect on memory management. Priming /dev/random will do nothing of the sort.
Also,You may not have noticed, I have the same phone as you. Of course, it's possible the app doesn't work for non-believers.
Yes, I know your next argument...it's not placebo because this makes things just seem faster.
I can't argue against that logic, but causality is definitely against you.
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I need opinions, anyone?
I keep flashing different ROMS and the battery has always had bad life
I've done a lot of different methods to fix battery life issues, but no go.
Having good luck with Swagged Out Stock.
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A lot of people say AOSP ROMs are good on battery life cuz the sense is gone.
Try out Xplod RLS (one of my favs) test it out see how it goes for you. It's an AOSP btw.
For sense I recommend Tommytomatoes Classic v0.0.0.4 its awesome!
How long does your battery last? Are you running mobile data all day? GPS?
I can get around 20-24 hours put of my battery with real heavy usage. Around 2 days with normal use.
I keep my 3g and everything off until i need it.
HTC EVO 4G running Mikg 2.58
Don't know who your talkin too but I'll reply lol
On Classic I'm gettin roughly about 1d 19h 43m with pretty decent usage text, call, xda, browsing jus putting it to charge right now
I have always had the best success with AOSP and custom kernel.
Currently running ICSmod7 with latest tiamets. With 4g it drops fast but without I get through a full day no worries medium use. Text, fb, music during workout ect...
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Getting good battery life with MikG 2.61.
mikg rom to me is best for battery life .and very stable rom and clean so try and let us know .im running miui and battery life is pretty good but not as good as my mikg rom
sense-free
I've been experimenting with ROMs and kernels for the last 18 months, always looking for best battery life with regular to heavy use. A good custom kernel will sometimes give you an extra 10-15 %. Using setCPU or another app like systemtuner (my pref) to turn CPU down while screen off can also give you 5-10%. Far and away the best thing for my battery is to use an alternative launcher (ADW for me) and then use Titanium backup pro or systemtuner to freeze sense. you just find the two elements in the process list that start with "HTC sense" and freeze them. Night and day. FYI I run synergy and have always come back to Myn's ROMs cause they are good for battery from the start, but they also take well to pretty much any custom kernel, which isn't true for all ROMs. I like everything to work so I always ditch AOSP ROMs a few days after trying them.
sam9696 said:
I've been experimenting with ROMs and kernels for the last 18 months, always looking for best battery life with regular to heavy use. A good custom kernel will sometimes give you an extra 10-15 %. Using setCPU or another app like systemtuner (my pref) to turn CPU down while screen off can also give you 5-10%. Far and away the best thing for my battery is to use an alternative launcher (ADW for me) and then use Titanium backup pro or systemtuner to freeze sense. you just find the two elements in the process list that start with "HTC sense" and freeze them. Night and day. FYI I run synergy and have always come back to Myn's ROMs cause they are good for battery from the start, but they also take well to pretty much any custom kernel, which isn't true for all ROMs. I like everything to work so I always ditch AOSP ROMs a few days after trying them.
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Underclocking your CPU typically causes higher battery drain... unless you're overclocking. As long as nothing is really hammering the CPU in the background (which is the problem, not the CPU speed!), then it's better to let the CPU enter higher power states in order to finish the work quicker and return to low power sleep state. Intel calls this HUGI (Hurry Up and Get Idle). Overclocking can have bad effects with HUGI due to the higher voltage required to run at those frequencies. Lol'd at your AOSP comment though. I suppose some people are okay with subpar android, aka sense .
My Evo can last a week on a single charge. CM7.1, 1850 mAh aftermarket battery (slim, stock battery cover), Tiamat 4.1.0 kernel, aggressive undervolting and monitoring of wakelocks combined with 90% wifi usage (3g is the #1 source of battery drain!).
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Tommytomatoes The Classic is a solid sense rom with good battery life its fast as hell, has lots of mods and themes and is pretty sick I've been stuck on it for over a month now I've flashed other roms but always come back to the classic after a few hours
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maybe a dumb question. What is the difference between underclocking and undervolting?
Gary13579 said:
Underclocking your CPU typically causes higher battery drain... unless you're overclocking. As long as nothing is really hammering the CPU in the background (which is the problem, not the CPU speed!), then it's better to let the CPU enter higher power states in order to finish the work quicker and return to low power sleep state. Intel calls this HUGI (Hurry Up and Get Idle). Overclocking can have bad effects with HUGI due to the higher voltage required to run at those frequencies. Lol'd at your AOSP comment though. I suppose some people are okay with subpar android, aka sense .
My Evo can last a week on a single charge. CM7.1, 1850 mAh aftermarket battery (slim, stock battery cover), Tiamat 4.1.0 kernel, aggressive undervolting and monitoring of wakelocks combined with 90% wifi usage (3g is the #1 source of battery drain!).
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Underclocking is when you set the speed of the processor to a lower setting than the stock clocks where as undervolting is lowering the voltage needed to run it at a certain speed be it stock underclocked or overclocked. Simplest way I understand it.
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Real culprit for batt issues
Has anyone ever bothered to understand that theres a pesty bug no one knew of.. Called CIQ "carrier IQ"
Ya this is one of the main reasons behind bad batt.. Sprint and other carriers allow a company to monitor and chart everything we do and it mirrors off txts and data sent and is designed to pick up on.key words... Basically an Invasive tracking monitor. It's a huge in noticed drain... And its been shown to be removed from system/app in many custom roms. But it never does cause its so strattled throughout the OS.
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IMPuLSe EX said:
I need opinions, anyone?
I keep flashing different ROMS and the battery has always had bad life
I've done a lot of different methods to fix battery life issues, but no go.
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I have been using evodeck v1.3 with the lee kernel and the rom just sips on my battery and gives me outstanding battery life with amazing speeds
lojak29 said:
Has anyone ever bothered to understand that theres a pesty bug no one knew of.. Called CIQ "carrier IQ"
Ya this is one of the main reasons behind bad batt.. Sprint and other carriers allow a company to monitor and chart everything we do and it mirrors off txts and data sent and is designed to pick up on.key words... Basically an Invasive tracking monitor. It's a huge in noticed drain... And its been shown to be removed from system/app in many custom roms. But it never does cause its so strattled throughout the OS.
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"no one knew of" are you kidding me? Carrier IQ has been known about for at least a year now... and no, it's not responsible for any significant amount of battery drain...
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Definantly aosp in my experience. Cm7 gets my vote for battery life
Gary13579 said:
Underclocking your CPU typically causes higher battery drain... unless you're overclocking. As long as nothing is really hammering the CPU in the background (which is the problem, not the CPU speed!), then it's better to let the CPU enter higher power states in order to finish the work quicker and return to low power sleep state. Intel calls this HUGI (Hurry Up and Get Idle). Overclocking can have bad effects with HUGI due to the higher voltage required to run at those frequencies. Lol'd at your AOSP comment though. I suppose some people are okay with subpar android, aka sense .
My Evo can last a week on a single charge. CM7.1, 1850 mAh aftermarket battery (slim, stock battery cover), Tiamat 4.1.0 kernel, aggressive undervolting and monitoring of wakelocks combined with 90% wifi usage (3g is the #1 source of battery drain!).
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So you clearly don't talk on the phone at all.
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So you clearly don't talk on the phone at all.
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Ah yes, the people that come in arguing and debating my claims. This happens every time. I use my phone quite often, and still get amazing battery life.
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Gary13579 said:
Ah yes, the people that come in arguing and debating my claims. This happens every time. I use my phone quite often, and still get amazing battery life.
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Dude you have a serious problem I honestly think you need to quit thinking people are attacking you this is the 3rd time I've seen you in a thread that I'm in and not once have I seen you post anything good or helpful I honestly think you should refrain from posting that's my opinion only cause I think your on a kid level and you really can't carry an easy conversation with someone sometimes I wonder if you even have this phone and if your trolling EVO Forum instead of the Transformer Forum.
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Ever since i flashed francos kernel for the first time i failed to see any difference whatsoever in batterylife or performance. 4 versions of franco kernel later and still no change. Even bought his app and tried undervolting. I accidentaly uv'd by 100 in the 700 category and none of the side effects were happening so i tried undervolting all by 200 and even setting on boot. Nothing happened. I then flashed jame bond kernel and nothing happened. When i tried flashing glados kernel it just froze on boot. I experimented with all of them for at least a day and except glados which didn't work they all showed no difference than stock regarding battery life or performance. What could be the cause of this?
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Kernels don't have the profound effect you might think on this phone. Not nearly as much as devices I have had in the past.
I'm aware of that, but still. No difference whatsoever? Even when i intentionally try and break it by undervolting by 200?
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What did you undervolt by 200? Some speed steps can get away with that.
What ROM are you using?
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Kernels don't have the profound effect you might think on this phone. Not nearly as much as devices I have had in the past.
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Adrynalyne! Its good to see you here!
Yeah, on the Fascinate, Kernels had much more of a profound effect. I can't say the same for this phone. But the OP said that he purposely tried to Bork his phone to see if it worked and it didn't even touch it. That's really strange. I can purposely try to Bork mine and do a pretty damn good job of it.
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Some kernels had broken UV interfaces that wouldn't undervolt the kernel and would allow you to undervolt by absurd amounts. (though it wasn't actually doing anything)
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Some kernels had broken UV interfaces that wouldn't undervolt the kernel and would allow you to undervolt by absurd amounts. (though it wasn't actually doing anything)
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Well, are all the most popular kernels broken? Franco, glados, jame bond? I'm more inclined to think the problem is localized (either me or my phone).
And i'm running aokp 20, btw. Had 19 and milestone2 before those, which were all installed after full wipes (before anyone suggests that).
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Your not the only one with this problem as I too have seen no change in battery performance on my gnex. I'm also using aokp 20 and Franco's (14.4). What I don't get however is that my buddy seems to see significant improvement in his phone while running the same rom/kernel combo
I've had some friends do some tests for me and run stock kernels for a while.
The differences in performance and battery life were menial between custom and stock.
What about all those people that claim seeing improved battery life? Not to mention those impresive screenshots of battery stats that show numbers i have yet to even come close to.
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Many of those screenshots are sleep time.
Also, never underestimate the power of placebo.
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Many of those screenshots are sleep time.
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naturally. also, data calls are a huge battery drainer, even with excellent reception, when actually using the phone. the same with wifi.
to give the op an example, this last night i forgot wifi on. connected to my home network. the phone slept well (something woke it up in the middle but for a very short period of time, probably gmail), and i only lost 3%. i normally loose 1% in 7hrs approx., so it wasnt so bad.
on the other hand, if screenOn is true, it will obviously drain faster..
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Many of those screenshots are sleep time.
Also, never underestimate the power of placebo.
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+1 on that.
Btw adryn, what kernel/rom do you use in your gnex?
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Tried a lot of combinations, but at the time of writing the original post i had been using aokp 20 with franco 14.4 for a while. I am currently trying aokp20 with trinity 384mhz gpu.
Also i lost about 2%/hour with franco in standby. I had mobile data connected and autosync only for google account + yahoo mail, all set to sync each hour.
Waiting on trinity now. Curious if i notice any difference besides the lack of franco's blueish tint.
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Many of those screenshots are sleep time.
Also, never underestimate the power of placebo.
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This.
However, the GPU overclock is noticeable on games like Shadow and GTA.
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+1 on that.
Btw adryn, what kernel/rom do you use in your gnex?
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My own or stock. I experiment a lot. Currently I am running a custom with a tweaked deadline scheduler, and a slightly different oc method for gpu and cpu than everyone is using to 1.35ghz. Stock voltages, tweaked ramdisk for filesystem mounts. Stock sleep profile of 350/700 on Interactive. Not using Setcpu to overclock at all. I set the power profile in fw-res to include the extra speed step.
So far so good, but its too early to tell. I went to bed and work up 9 hours off battery with 99% remaining. So its definitely deep sleeping fine I won't know for a couple days on whether it sucks battery dry or not.
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This.
However, the GPU overclock is noticeable on games like Shadow and GTA.
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I don't play a lot of games but 307mhz to 384, nets me 3fps in Nenamark2. Not exactly mind blowing.
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Many of those screenshots are sleep time.
Also, never underestimate the power of placebo.
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exactly. I used to go crazy doing this and that, disabling this and that to try to get 20+ hours that people were getting on stock battery. Then I came to realize that the screenshots are probably mostly sleep time. Me being a very social person (text, IM, Facebook, and Tweet a lot) there is no way I was ever gonna get anywhere near 20 hours on stock. So I bought a couple of spare batteries, turned stuff back on, turn the screen back on brightly and enjoyed the phone and its great screen without worrying about battery life
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Ill be as honest as I can. I just had two nexus and installed two different roms and and two different kernels....I believe they don't do anything as well..And I thinks its placebo effect when people are saying there battery's are better or the screen is smoother....I see not much of a difference even in stock...yes the benchmark may go up but that's means nothing really....
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I've had my Galaxy S3 from T-Mobile now for about a week. The phone seems to run perfectly fine. However when I attempt to run Quadrant for example my friends are averaging anywhere from 4900 - 5300 for their stock T-Mobile S3. My same phone, stock, everything closed/killed from task manager, only manages to score 3100 - 3600.
When I check system information in Quadrant sometimes it says my current clock speed is 912Mhz, 1134Mhz etc.. Rarely do I see it at the full 1512Mhz..
Power saving mode is definitely turned off. Even after doing a factory reset and running quadrant on a fresh install it still scores the same. Beginning to get frustrated this phone isn't living up to the hype.
Ideas anyone? Thanks.
I did a battery pull, killed all my apps, cleared my memory, waited a few seconds, ran Quadrant again and still can only manage to score 3100.
No offence but who cares about benchmarks...... the phones soooo smooth and awsome
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Don't have mine yet but I have seen someone have the same problem on here and what was wrong with theirs was they didn't know they could set the CPU Max mhz in the settings. Perhaps yours is not set to Max? Not sure where exactly in the settings it is but I'm sure it isn't hard to find
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I've been through the settings menu in the phone numerous times. Have not seen an option like that nor do I think it exists? For the most part the phone runs smooth I do notice it lags/hangs up sometimes but I'm guessing that's because the processor isn't going to full potential.
Anyone else have any ideas or where I can find this mysterious setting?
I've noticed on my sprint phone that as the phone gets warm the upper limit that the CPU can scale to seems to be reduced. The day I got it the first quad run was about 5k, but after 30min of nonstop usage the next run was down to 3.5 or so. Check it yourself with setcpu, it will start capping at 1100-1200.
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I've noticed on my sprint phone that as the phone gets warm the upper limit that the CPU can scale to seems to be reduced. The day I got it the first quad run was about 5k, but after 30min of nonstop usage the next run was down to 3.5 or so. Check it yourself with setcpu, it will start capping at 1100-1200.
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I will check it out but considering even after a battery pull and letting the phone sit power off for an hour I still get crappy scores. Then theres others who can run Quadrant back to back to back to back to back and achieve 4500 - 5100 constantly. I can't even get it on one try! I'll download SetCPU and see.
If you are that concerned, wipe and try it all over again.
EDIT - Damn my spotty reading, you already tried that. Sorry. Not much else to do, unless you try to restore the OS through Kies. A fresh install from a fresh source?
Or sell it on craigslist :laugh:
The phone works fine. Everything is very smooth and responds fast. It's pretty much just the benchmark scores that are throwing me off. I'll see what happens with the second S3 I will receive tomorrow. I can't imagine the heat playing a factor because this S4 is supposed to be one of the coolest running processors out there. There's a huge video on it somewhere where they did a butter melting test. Anyways time will tell I suppose.
Why do you care so much about benchmarks? Also the phone won't ramp the processor up to 1500 if it has no reason to..
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Why do you care so much about benchmarks? Also the phone won't ramp the processor up to 1500 if it has no reason to..
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What's the point of having the newest hottest phone right away? To be able to say it can do what others cant. One of those things being blowing away other phones in the benchmark arena. I just don't see why others are able to hit 5000+ scores and my device can't seem to even come close. It just makes me think there's something wrong with my handset. Do you blame me for being skeptical after the price we pay for these things?
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What's the point of having the newest hottest phone right away? To be able to say it can do what others cant. One of those things being blowing away other phones in the benchmark arena. I just don't see why others are able to hit 5000+ scores and my device can't seem to even come close. It just makes me think there's something wrong with my handset. Do you blame me for being skeptical after the price we pay for these things?
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This is why I buy awesome phones. I love bleeding edge hardware lol.
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Chicago281 said:
What's the point of having the newest hottest phone right away? To be able to say it can do what others cant. One of those things being blowing away other phones in the benchmark arena. I just don't see why others are able to hit 5000+ scores and my device can't seem to even come close. It just makes me think there's something wrong with my handset. Do you blame me for being skeptical after the price we pay for these things?
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Considering you say it works just fine and are basing these problems that you have off of Quadrant..
Also I guess I will try and help since you are from Chicago they're should definitely be a setting somewhere that allows you to change the CPU settings. I'm not positive where but I did read in a review this was the first phone out of the box able to adjust governors. I would look but I'm on CM9
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I've searched AndroidForums, Here, Google, can't find anything on being able to change the cpu speed without rooting.
Someone have the setcpu xda download page need the link, thx.
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I've searched AndroidForums, Here, Google, can't find anything on being able to change the cpu speed without rooting.
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It might only be the international version.. I read it in a review from one of the tech sites.
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Do you perhaps have the CPU Power Saving option on in the Power Saving menu?
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Do you perhaps have the CPU Power Saving option on in the Power Saving menu?
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First post last paragraph.. No
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I've been through the settings menu in the phone numerous times. Have not seen an option like that nor do I think it exists? For the most part the phone runs smooth I do notice it lags/hangs up sometimes but I'm guessing that's because the processor isn't going to full potential.
Anyone else have any ideas or where I can find this mysterious setting?
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There is a setting for this, it's actually incorporated in the power savings mode. If you read through it, there is an area that says the max cpu speed is actually lowered when it's enabled. But, if you're not using the power saver mode, then it's irrelevant to your situation. It could have to do with the bloat though, and also the international is almost double the scores as ours yet there is minimal difference in speed presented in side by side real usage testing. I wouldn't get too hung up on the benchmarks, it kind of ruins the enjoyment you get from just using the phone, and seeing how smooth and flawless most everything is. Also, once debated and tweaked, those scores will most definitely improve and will probably ease your mind a bit.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1987032&nocache=1
Worth the plunge? Still not rooted since I don't see the need as of yet...
Nope, according to some reports and google engineers themselves - it's all placebo and none of 'reduced lag' was a result of applying this 'entropy tweak' but attributed to the application constantly forcing I/O use and thus scaling up CPU usage and making it faster.
Source: http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile...rooted-android-phones-proven-useless-2013014/
More here: https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=42265
Oh yeah, it has a negative impact on battery life.
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Oh yeah, it has a negative impact on battery life.
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Really? Kristofpetho reports increase battery life on his HyperDroid JBX rom with it enabled.
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I dont think there is anything conclusive in the code.google thread, there is something in that thread that struck a cord with me, someone mentioned that their phone was unusable while downloading a torrent. I have a Transformer Prime TF201 which is suffering lag, and this happened to me on Saturday. I always assumed it was to do with the crappy wifi, I've installed this on it and it is much snappier, particularly in the browser, facebook app, and tapatalk. The reasons for this may not be what the author of the app thinks they are, but nonetheless there is a definite improvement which is not placebo. My N7105 does not suffer from lag, so I have not installed it on there, but for you theres no harm in trying?
decrease cpu up threshold/sampling rate and you will have same effect. (higher cpu stages are used=better performance=lower battery).
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How many of you fine folks OC? CPU, GPU, or CPU + GPU? What do you run at and what Kernel?
Just curious!
Nothing here. Don't see the need. That's just me though
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Nothing here. Don't see the need. That's just me though
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+1 fully stock:thumbup:
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I'm at 1800 MHz CPU and 733 MHz GPU - Just because my phone doesn't seem to run any hotter, battery life isn't impacted much - I overclock both on my PC, so I fall in the "why not get the free performance boost" sector.
Both 1800/640. I'm also in the why not free power crowd.
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I've only over clocked the cpu to 1704 I'm all for the why not get the free power but I'm also cognizant of the argument that over clocking can reduce the lifespan of the hardware. Anybody have any comments or views on that? Would like to hear some other opinions.
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1800mhz on carbon 1.8
Stock GPU speed. ..
Nova launcher set to faster than light. ..
Among 27 other major mods...
It's like you can hear my phone snap on screen transitions. ..lol...g
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I'm running....
Stock CPU/GPU Speed running CleanRom 3.0 SE AT&T
Saber Kernel 35.6 Trickster Mod Touchwake features
Apex Launcher Paid Version
stock speeds
i haven't found the need to oc the note 2. just running a custom rom that removed all the bloatware on it does wonders for me.
i am running the newest jedi and way new to the root and rom thing. it's nice to be able to overclock or underclock if i wanna.
the note 2 is by far the best phone i have ever owned.
What benefit do you guys see in over clocking the GPU?
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I would love to see benchmarks with overclocking of the Note 2, I am leery to touch it because something like Asphalt 8 already makes the phone VERY HOT around the camera lense area on the back.
ps. Asphalt 8 was unplayable on my phone with the stock rom, no matter what you did to clean up the ram, etc, even on the 'Medium' graphics setting. It hitched, it lagged, it hiccuped, and it made a game where you are constantly relying on drifting unplayable. After switching to the Probam rom, the game flies - on the highest setting. It never hitches, ever. I don't know if it is Android 4.3 giving the hardware more breathing room or just a cleaner overall OS that uses less Ram, either way the difference was ridiculous - and I am not overclocked. Yet.
since benchmarks mean absolutely nothing, when it comes to comparing phones, you'll be hard pressed to find anything posted here..most people, with a decent knowledge of how phones work, understand that posting these things are nothing more than an attempt to brag that your phone may or may not be running faster than someone else's; the truth being that no 2 phones do anything exactly like the other, no 2 people have the same exact setup, files, and other stuff on their phones, so these types of comparisons are completely meaningless..
I dont play Asphalt 8, but I have read other posts about people saying it makes their phones run hot...
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since benchmarks mean absolutely nothing, when it comes to comparing phones, you'll be hard pressed to find anything posted here..most people, with a decent knowledge of how phones work, understand that posting these things are nothing more than an attempt to brag that your phone may or may not be running faster than someone else's; the truth being that no 2 phones do anything exactly like the other, no 2 people have the same exact setup, files, and other stuff on their phones, so these types of comparisons are completely meaningless..
I dont play Asphalt 8, but I have read other posts about people saying it makes their phones run hot...
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Uhhh... How do you come up with the logic to say that "benchmarks mean absolutely nothing"? They certainly do mean something, the app is stress testing every functionality of the phone and measuring the results. What they are testing are systems (both hardware and software) that are used to push GAMES. Not 'Angry Birds', I am talking about engines pushing tens of thousands of polys with textures, sound effects, physics processing, redrawing the screen several times over for effects like shaders, etc, etc, etc....
Overclocking certainly makes a VERY REAL difference on a pc, how is a phone any different? You push the limits of the hardware beyond the specs it is 'rated for', some phones will make too much heat even with minor overclocking and result in crashes, lockups, and finally permanent failure. Some phones will handle the extra heat, and overclocking will result in noticable boost in performance. Yes, some game engines are locked at a specific framerate and will not be able to take advantage of 'more power', but in general a serious game engines uses all the resources available in the form of raw framerate.
using benchmarks to compare your phone to mine is meaningless; you dont have the same apps as me, you dont have the same settings as me, you dont have the same number of accounts checking email, you dont have the same amount of background apps as me, your settings are not the same as mine, and so on..
if you are having serious issues with your phone, benchmarking can be useful to determine if its software or hardware related, but otherwise, it has no true comparitive meaning...Go ahead a post a poll here, and see what I mean..anyone with extensive experience on this topic will agree..
I've been hacking/modding phones and pc's for 30 years, so, on this topic, I know of what I speak..
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using benchmarks to compare your phone to mine is meaningless; you dont have the same apps as me, you dont have the same settings as me, you dont have the same number of accounts checking email, you dont have the same amount of background apps as me, your settings are not the same as mine, and so on..
if you are having serious issues with your phone, benchmarking can be useful to determine if its software or hardware related, but otherwise, it has no true comparitive meaning...Go ahead a post a poll here, and see what I mean..anyone with extensive experience on this topic will agree..
I've been hacking/modding phones and pc's for 30 years, so, on this topic, I know of what I speak..
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I agree
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using benchmarks to compare your phone to mine is meaningless; you dont have the same apps as me, you dont have the same settings as me, you dont have the same number of accounts checking email, you dont have the same amount of background apps as me, your settings are not the same as mine, and so on..
if you are having serious issues with your phone, benchmarking can be useful to determine if its software or hardware related, but otherwise, it has no true comparitive meaning...Go ahead a post a poll here, and see what I mean..anyone with extensive experience on this topic will agree..
I've been hacking/modding phones and pc's for 30 years, so, on this topic, I know of what I speak..
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Word.....g
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