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[Q] Data2SD Mod = 3k Quadrant

To all developers, would this be possible on the tmo g2?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=859419
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=864174
I know the tmo g2 has more security issues so maybe the hack won't work but it would be awesome if some devs would jump on that. Imagine the quad. scores we would get clocked @ 1.8ghz and with this mod.
Front page post:
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/new-hack-for-desire-and-nexus-one-data2ext/

They already have a 1.8 oc lol and have got 3000 quad scores just look for 2 secs you will find it
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bmaing2 said:
They already have a 1.8 oc lol and have got 3000 quad scores just look for 2 secs you will find it
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I know this. Im saying imagine this mod on top of the 1.8ghz. I mean I did mention 1.8ghz in the first post?

I think this is a great idea..the first time I saw this being done was in the vibrant/galaxy s forums and they used it to get rid of the horrible lag on the vibrant...they got amazing results..I've always asked if this cud be done on other phones but I think there has been a little haterade being passed around the forums about quad scores...hating on our g2s of course : )...and wenever I asked I nvr got any feedback..I believe the best version to refer to is the z4 mod lagfix because it converts a few partitions to ext nd gives the phone an all around amazing performance boost..I hope someone gets on this asap..I'm sure it wud be great on sense roms too
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I agree. I dont know much about android development but if anyone out there is willing to do this I would be more than glad to try it out.
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I originally posted this under development and it got moved here. Devs rarely come in this sub forum to notice this. If anyone knows any of the devs involved in the g2 rooting process ask them to check those links out and see if it is even possible for us.
HTC Vision S-OFF CM6.1 Rc3 Oc'd to 1.5ghz on Pershoots Kernel

Would anyone be brave enough to flash the update.zip in those threads and see if it works??? I'd do it myself if someone can confirm it wouldn't brick if I have a nandroid backup.
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ill tell you why no one cares about this, it doesnt work. you are cheating quadrant to get better results but it has only ONE real world performance boost and that was in the vibrant, captivate and the fascinate. the reason for that was they all used a slow horrid 16gb nandchip so by mounting it as a tmpfs you were able to speed it up maginally.
this phones nand is SLC which has been proven to be faster then MLC (as in the phones stated about). dont believe me? pick up the vibrant and use it right next to the epic 4g it has a onenand (SLC) and does not need a "lagfix". instead we as epic owners got a 16gb micro sdcard and 1gb of onboard..
anyways just to clarify again none of the devs care about doing this because they already knew about it. (search for cyanogen cheats quadrant on google) we all know quadrant is a broken system.

shabbypenguin said:
ill tell you why no one cares about this, it doesnt work. you are cheating quadrant to get better results but it has only ONE real world performance boost and that was in the vibrant, captivate and the fascinate. the reason for that was they all used a slow horrid 16gb nandchip so by mounting it as a tmpfs you were able to speed it up maginally.
this phones nand is SLC which has been proven to be faster then MLC (as in the phones stated about). dont believe me? pick up the vibrant and use it right next to the epic 4g it has a onenand (SLC) and does not need a "lagfix". instead we as epic owners got a 16gb micro sdcard and 1gb of onboard..
anyways just to clarify again none of the devs care about doing this because they already knew about it. (search for cyanogen cheats quadrant on google) we all know quadrant is a broken system.
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This makes perfect sense, I'm not doubting your words but why are people reporting better performance on their device's if this is just cheating quadrant? They say the write speeds are much quicker which makes the performance of the device much better. I'm not trying to sound ignorant I'm just confused. Sorry =/
I just read a tweet from @cyanogen stating anyone who uses this on cm will get no support from them.
HTC Vision S-OFF CM6.1 Stable Oc'd to 1.5ghz on Pershoots Kernel

there is no question of whether or not you will get faster write speeds as you are mounting a "fake" file system. the thing is how often do you really write to your file system? 10-20 times per couple of hours? while quadrant runs tests to see big file transfers and lots of little files, the average user does not. i would say (at least for myself) that 90% of teh phones usage is spent on reading from the file system, not writing to.
read speeds are already fast (well for a mobile device at least ) the only time that you write to your memory is installing apps and changing settings. settings i dont notice ANY lag on that, as for installing apps i would guess at best a 3-6% speedup as you are still writing to physical memory. perhaps the biggest reason why i wouldnt use this is because in order for you to use this you have to have the file system mounted somewhere.. if its mounted on board then your still reading/writing to the same chip. if your mounting it on the sd card then not only do you lose speed overall (unless its class 6 or higher) but now you lose sd card storage.

shabbypenguin said:
there is no question of whether or not you will get faster write speeds as you are mounting a "fake" file system. the thing is how often do you really write to your file system? 10-20 times per couple of hours? while quadrant runs tests to see big file transfers and lots of little files, the average user does not. i would say (at least for myself) that 90% of teh phones usage is spent on reading from the file system, not writing to.
read speeds are already fast (well for a mobile device at least ) the only time that you write to your memory is installing apps and changing settings. settings i dont notice ANY lag on that, as for installing apps i would guess at best a 3-6% speedup as you are still writing to physical memory. perhaps the biggest reason why i wouldnt use this is because in order for you to use this you have to have the file system mounted somewhere.. if its mounted on board then your still reading/writing to the same chip. if your mounting it on the sd card then not only do you lose speed overall (unless its class 6 or higher) but now you lose sd card storage.
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so then i have a couple questions..if its useless why are they doing it on the nexus "thee development phone" and if its only wen u install apps or change settings..how come it also fixed homescreen lag?

i dont see how lockscreen lag would have improved, but w/e..

Yeah if you read thru the threads people are mentioning better performance almost all around. It is odd tho especially after reading your explanation.
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>.> my apologies i just read the threads, i had just figured this was the same lagfix as the vibrant etc. no in theory this would indeed work ok.. assuming your sd card is faster then your onboard storage. my class 4 16gb is clearly not

shabbypenguin said:
>.> my apologies i just read the threads, i had just figured this was the same lagfix as the vibrant etc. no in theory this would indeed work ok.. assuming your sd card is faster then your onboard storage. my class 4 16gb is clearly not
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So your saying we would need a class 8 or class 10 to make this work? No need to appologize. You were just trying to clear things up for us. Surely taught me about the lagfix.
So I'm no dev. But I just got laid off of work, what are the basics needed to work on something like this? Or better yet porting it over to the htc vision?
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not work, but to be effective i would imagine that yea higher then 6 would be useful.
but i would read this article
http://www.androidcentral.com/bell-samsung-galaxy-s-phones-dying-bad-hardware-or-bad-hacks

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not work, but to be effective i would imagine that yea higher then 6 would be useful.
but i would read this article
http://www.androidcentral.com/bell-samsung-galaxy-s-phones-dying-bad-hardware-or-bad-hacks
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This has to do with the galaxy S' lag fix. It states that they have the not so best type of hardware in their phone which is one of the reasons their media card reader is failing. The only way to be sure this actually will mess our phones up is by going for it. I like to mess with anything that makes my device perform better. I honestly could care less about quadrant scores.
HTC Vision S-OFF CM6.1 Stable Oc'd to 1.5ghz on Pershoots Kernel

they also mention that micro sd's dont like to be partitioned every which way.. (of course if this is successful then its a one time thing)

shabbypenguin said:
(search for cyanogen cheats quadrant on google)
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When that is searched the first result it this thread Just sayin
(Oh and I know it probably wont boost real world performance but it has doubled there hero's quadrant score

[Q] Benchmark questions!

First off I'm fairly aware of the fact that benchmarks are not accurate representations of the day to day real life usefulness of the handset.
That said, I used both linpack and quadrant standard edition for the first time tonight while testing another kernel with my current rom (which is cm7, ggingerbread-6).
At the conclusion of my testing it was very obvious that one kernel completely outclassed the other in a benchmarking situation, however something else became apparent that leads to this post.
If I follow and believe everyone else's benchmark scores, even those posted an hour earlier in the same kernel thread, then I might have the slowest Evo on planet earth.
I see other users of the same rom and kernal posting scores which are never below 1500 in quadrant, I saw one instance of 1300 but nonetheless, even overclocking to 1075 I can barely break 1100 and usually fall just below that. Sadly enough on the "slower" of the 2 kernals I was barely surpassing 900.
Now on the linpack side of things I don't have any comparative scores to judge against, but ill post what I received anyhow for information's sake. On the "faster" of the two kernels (the one that came prebuilt into the rom) I was getting between 33-34, on the new kernel I was testing I was getting between 19 and 22, these are all "mflops" of course, whatever that may be.
Someone give me some information or advice here! Do I just happen to have a slow evolution, or are others either exaggerating or using some trick/mod/tweak I'm royalty unaware of??
Thanks in advance!

some people brag, some people cheat, most have low scores, few have high, there isn't a very good baseline and the benchmark programs dont scale very well at all, I have run 1800 scores and I have run 600 scores, guess what. both roms were smooth and you wouldn't have been able to tell a difference, what does that mean? do we believe the benchmark programs? are they spitting a random number at us? who knows! dont believe them, be satisfied with how your evo is running and if it's not running very well then try a different kernel or rom, keep trying new ones until your satisfied, only then will some benchmark program output not mean a thing

Most of my Quadrant benchmarks with aftermarket ROMS+kernels have been in the 1100-1400 range, using VaelPak and various kernels to get most of the better scores there. The highest I've had was CM7RC1 with the SnapTurbo kernel, got an 1821. It was unusable, though.
I've come to the conclusion that the benchmarks aren't as important as battery life, especially with the Evo.

Biggest reason for the huge difference in numbers? Different versions of the app. The dev changed how it rates phones.
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Thanks!
Explained. I knew they were totally not concurrent with the outward performance and usability of the device, and for what its worth while I've only ever flashed a total of 3 roms, this one is perfect for me and I seem to be one of the rare few with no problems whatsoever, everything works exactly as I would expect it to. So yes, l never feared my device was suddenly slower now that I knew the all knowing superultrabenchmark number.

Low benchmark score after root/custom rom and kernel

Hi!
First of all, I have been reading around and I did not find exactly what I want to know.
Yesterday I managed to root my desire and flash the CM7 ROM (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=957344). Today I've added a custom kernel, "vork" 720p (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=782875&highlight=vork).
My quadrant score is still low (around 1100), even though the phone behaves much better than the stock.
I have 2 questions:
1. What can I do to make it perform even better? (i have a friend with a desire hd who just flashed a sense rom, without any added stuff and scores over 2200).
2. should i install a new "radio"? My gsm signal is much stronger than before as it is.
3. Since this is my first time, what do you think of my choices with the ROM and Kernel? I chose them because they were popular and i assumed they are well tested and function well.
Thank you for your time.

Desire HD has better processor and GPU I believe hence bigger difference. Your score is good for Desire. I got around that overclocked on LeeDroid GB ROM.
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why do you even care bout the quadrant score ? :X
if you really feel excited bout high numbers having nothing to do with ur phone performance, go with data2ext roms, quadrant gives them 3000+ points, but still they perform worse than, for example, LeeDroid.
then again, new GingerBread Sense 2.1 roms have low quadrant scores, but they are really really fast.

I dont really care about quadrant, but it seems like a valid tool for measuring performance. At least it seems that everyone is judging by that. Quite frankly the phone works very well, i am just out of ideas to make it even better. And if the scores are meaningless why do people use it?

Its probably one of those my d...ck is bigger than yours things. Anyway I used data to SD and I also had high scores but overall experience was very laggy and jerky
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Quadrant scores are mesaurable only when you launch them on stock, unrooted roms. then it can give you and idea on how this phone with this software will perform.
after rooting, some hacks or scripts make quadrant scores not real

So this means my phone is fine as it is? There is nothing more I can do to enhance it?

you can overclock it, it should all be said in your ROMs topic.
like "OC up to 1200Mhz" means you should be able to set processor speed to 1200mhz with SetCpu. it all depends on kernel i think

Ok, thanks everyone for your input! If there are any more suggestions, I dont mind.

Smartbench 2011

Didn't see a thread for this in here anymore so I thought I'd post. I know synthetic benchmarks don't mean a lot but I'm curious of what other people are scoring since mine seems to be lower than others tested.
My phone is a Telus SGH-T989D with a rooted stock rom with SetCPU running the system at 1.5 and have the V6 Tweak setup.
I find it interesting others have scored over 4000.

I was going to ask this same question. I tried smart bench on stock rom and the score was always between 2500 and 3400 when i see results of over 4000... I now have the Bombaridier v1.3 Rom and still get the same low results?
Is this normal score or could our phones have some cpu problems? Im thinking on going to T-Mobile and exchange the phone since it also has the camera pink spot problem and minor screen lines and spots on low brightness in dark colors...

finally had some time to sit down and enjoy my phone

Why are we getting our clock cleaned by so many other SGII models?

I don't know if this is a contributing factor, but they're using 2.3.3
We're using 2.3.5
To further this pattern, from what I understand, ICS is causing qudrant scores in the low 2000's and below on good phones..
The more advanced the OS version, the more it taxes the phone.. Just an observation.

I understand that it's fun to see your phone on top, but aren't these "benchmark" tests pretty irrelevant to performance and satisfaction? Is your phone laggy? Do you have any problems or is everything buttery smooth and running well? If it is then I wouldn't worry about arbitrary test results to be honest. You can run benchmarks over and over and get a different score every time. You can cheat on them. In the end just find a ROM/Kernel with the settings and features you like and enjoy it!

Yes that's true but every upgrade in OS uses more resources, so you're bound to see more lag on ICS than our current ROM
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I guess not that many people use this one.

Why is this? Quadrant score

Hello. I have flashed the Synergy kernel for CM7 and I have CyanogenMod Self-Kang. I am overclocked to 1.8Ghz and have the lag free governor. Why is it that when I run a benchmark I get such low results? Take a look:
I've seen people getting around 5000 on this device! Is there a reason why it is under 4000?
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Edit: OK thanks. I am not going to post anymore and I encourage other people not to (by not post I mean in this "Why is this" forum. I'm sorry I posted in the wrong place...

first, wrong forum. Should put this in Q&A
second, Quadrant results means nothing, my phone is giving me 3k and it doesn't lag what so ever.

I've never hit 5000 with my phone I'm always in between 3000-4400. Plus benchmark scores mean nothing. Even if the device is not hardware accelerated it will still be lag free. Not to mention this post should of been in the "General" section. It is not about development. Re-post your question in General, you might get more answers.

Yo just because 1 person got away with posting in the wrong forum yesterday does not mean you can ask questions here. This is why we have different sections in the first place. Follow the rules of the forum and do your research because if you did you would have found out that quadrant means nothing.
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STOP USING QUADRANT!!!
Use a program that has been updated like Antutu.
Quadrant has not been updated in over a year. Let it die for the sake of human kind.
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Quadrant really doesn't do a very good job of true benchmarking, and it's WAY too easy to fool it. Some very simple hacks can be done to artificially increase the score by a large amount. For example:
1. enabling stagefright by default in the build.prop can do this (on some stock roms.) This will make it so the h.264 encoding test will be falsely inflated.
2. Tricking the system into using a ramdisk for it's IO test instead of the actual nand. This one should be self explanitory.
3. On the old galaxy phones, that used rfs for the filesystem, if converted to EXT4 it would give a HUGE boost, but no real world performance difference. (Quandrant doesn't seem to read rfs correctly.)
And believe me, there are PLENTY of others. No to mention its not optimized for more than one core.
Benchmarks mean nothing. Real world usability does, unless it's just an e-peen thing, my benchmarks are better than yours type of thing. It's kind of like overclocking. I've NEVER seen the point in it (on a cell phone, not a pc.) You end up taking a risk of greatly reducing the lifespan of your cpu for 2-3 extra frames a second in games, drain more battery power, and again, in real world use you won't see a difference at all.
If you're trying to show off to others how cool your phone is, instead of showing them quad scores that mean nothing, why not let them USE it for a few minutes? That's what sold me on this phone when I bought it, using someone's for about 15 minutes

It could have been he was using performance governor and cleared out his ram. That would cause a height quadrant score.
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