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ext2 does help! score 2221 + NAND INTACT *EDITED 21AUG 2018HKT

I know that many people worry about frequent reads/writes will damage the NAND, so I began a new test days before without using the NAND
this time, I switched from rfs to ext2, with some mods to the kernel to load the ext2 partitions, no OC
note that this is only serve as a real case to show u ext2's performance and to prove that rfs is one of the problem areas. u guys can implement it your ways with further improvements, perhaps with ext3, ext4, yaffs, etc
EDIT: 21AUG 2018HKT
- some ppl said that it is easy to cheat the score obtained in quadrant by moving around the quadrant's data files. yes, i agree that. but it wil be much easier to edit it in photoshxp for even 30k score. and although some ppl said the score itself is meaningless, which i agree with it also, but it provides a mean to let u know how ur phone is performed. it is not an indicator for whether ur videos or sounds can be played smoothly since it depends on a lot of things as well
- also note that if u formatted the /sdcard in different file format, some of the recovery mode functions wont work since it will only mount rfs/vfat, so u have to modify the stock recovery or rom manager's recovery manually, or by mounting the partitions via shell
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so this will lead to a whole new type of lagfix?

So this is the base for the ultimate lagfix?

daijirok said:
so this will lead to a whole new type of lagfix?
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well, I dono. let you guys decide

Nice to see the score split up in the different parts. It shows that the inital I/O of GS wasn't really that bad. Also i guess we can expect about 750 points of CPU score with Froyo (looking at the Nexus), so maybe a 3000 score is within reach .

toca79 said:
So this is the base for the ultimate lagfix?
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i dono think so, more to come i think

mbr01 said:
Nice to see the score split up in the different parts. It shows that the inital I/O of GS wasn't really that bad. Also i guess we can expect about 750 points of CPU score with Froyo (looking at the Nexus), so maybe a 3000 score is within reach .
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right, i saw one with 27xx or something already with old tricks. so 3000 should not be a problem with 2.2

ykk_five said:
i dono think so, more to come i think
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Great work anyway!!

ykk_five said:
right, i saw one with 27xx or something already with old tricks. so 3000 should not be a problem with 2.2
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ykk_five, first, many thanks for the tip. The score of 2711 was done during your first initial suggestion, where the fix was temporary. In additional, I happen to have the overclock kernel (by raspdeep) installed. Hence, I just ran it to see how much mileage we can get from the SGS.
Having said that, RyanZA and Chainfire had implemented excellent lagfixes. With your latest test, I'm really not sure how much more improvement we can get. Many of us are now very happy with what they have, and I am not sure if there are anymore juice to be squeezed out from this.
Let's hear it from the more experienced users, and perhaps this latest discovery might be as exciting as your first.
Greetings from Singapore.

g00ndu said:
ykk_five, first, many thanks for the tip. The score of 2711 was done during your first initial suggestion, where the fix was temporary. In additional, I happen to have the overclock kernel (by raspdeep) installed. Hence, I just ran it to see how much mileage we can get from the SGS.
Having said that, RyanZA and Chainfire had implemented excellent lagfixes. With your latest test, I'm really not sure how much more improvement we can get. Many of us are now very happy with what they have, and I am not sure if there are anymore juice to be squeezed out from this.
Let's hear it from the more experienced users, and perhaps this latest discovery might be as exciting as your first.
Greetings from Singapore.
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thx a lot, i really hope that u guys will enjoy it!

I have a consistent score of 990+ without any lag fix on a froyo ROM. Previously I used a lag fixed JM5 which score 2000+, however with everyday use the froyo ROM seems snappier. Good to see all efforts to speed things up and eliminate the lag, but I'm not sure higher benchmarks score translate to a better user experience.
What I'm hoping for now is a fix than enables smooth scrolling of contacts & call logs seen on the desire.
Good work though!

Frostfree said:
I have a consistent score of 990+ without any lag fix on a froyo ROM. Previously I used a lag fixed JM5 which score 2000+, however with everyday use the froyo ROM seems snappier. Good to see all efforts to speed things up and eliminate the lag, but I'm not sure higher benchmarks score translate to a better user experience.
What I'm hoping for now is a fix than enables smooth scrolling of contacts & call logs seen on the desire.
Good work though!
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u can compare the IO stat, although it's a roughly comparison

g00ndu said:
ykk_five, first, many thanks for the tip. The score of 2711 was done during your first initial suggestion, where the fix was temporary. In additional, I happen to have the overclock kernel (by raspdeep) installed. Hence, I just ran it to see how much mileage we can get from the SGS.
Having said that, RyanZA and Chainfire had implemented excellent lagfixes. With your latest test, I'm really not sure how much more improvement we can get. Many of us are now very happy with what they have, and I am not sure if there are anymore juice to be squeezed out from this.
Let's hear it from the more experienced users, and perhaps this latest discovery might be as exciting as your first.
Greetings from Singapore.
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This kind of solution should be a lot better as it doesn't use any space (or so i undertand).

pls read my newly added comments at the 1st page
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So what exactly did you do to get these new scores? Did you format the /data partition as EXT2 to get these scores?

I understand someone may not like to spend time to answer noob's questions. But what is the point to show just the Quadrant score and then tell others you have done something in this Development board? Should it be presented in a more technical way?

Yes please give some more details on what exactly you did.
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I wonder if Froyo will bump this score even higher.
I just performed a test on the HTC Desire, with newly installed Froyo (2.2). On the scale above, it scores between the Nexus and the Droid, but closer to the Droid. What intrigued me is that the reason the score was lower than the Nexus, was the CPU score. The other colours were about the same as the Nexus One. The CPU part was still bigger than anything else (up to the 1/4 of the green part on the droid below it) but about 4/5 that of the Nexus. Sorry I couldn't post a screenshot.
Which is really weird, since the two devices share the same CPU. (are the reference scores accurate?)
EDIT: I tried running it again, and I got a higher CPU score this time, so now it almost matches the Nexus (up to 1/2 of the green part on the Droid) Overall score 1301. So scratch the above comment, I guess the reference scores are the highest you can get.
Now in the picture of the Galaxy above, the biggest part is the IO score, which is logical because of the modification, but the CPU score is very small. So assuming that Froyo will bump up the cpu part like on the Nexus and the Desire, we'll be looking one hell of a record score, right?
Has anyone with a JP firmware tried this lagfix?

The better CPU scores on FROYO are due to the JIT Compiller! The JP firmwares Have JIT but it is not active still! Or atleast not to the point it is on the N1! I hope that the final firmware will have full speed.

@ykk_five - I'm not really sure what NEW point you're making, but I love that you're still working on this!
Didn't we pretty much already know that rfs was the appaent problem with the i/o? You proved that early on as far as I can tell. Paul O and mimocan assumed it was slow hardware with their fixes, but you showed that a different fs fixed it on the same memory space. Some of us have been clamoring for a reformat of the internal rom space as the solution since you first posted your findings.
What I find more interesting is that the i/o on the stock SGS in Quadrant isn't that bad - it appears comparable to most of the other phones, except the Motorola Droid X! I wonder why it's so fast on that one.
My own earlier READ-speed testing done with reading a 200mb data file from the command line with the dd command showed that read speeds on RFS internal /data partition vs ext4 on sdcard partition were pretty close. Seems like RFS can serve up the reads pretty darned fast (Class 6 speeds or better). Well over 13Mb/s from my post over on Modaco:
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BEST SPEED ON EXTERNAL SDCARD EXT 4 = 15.79 MB/S
BEST SPEED ON EXTERNAL SDCARD FAT32 = 15.6 MB/S
BEST SPEED ON INTERNAL SDCARD FAT32 = 13.1 MB/S
BEST SPEED ON INTERNAL ROM AREA = 13.6 MB/S
Since we're now doing the loop mount ext2 on top of RFS fix, I thought I should test the read speeds there. I ran four tests, they ranged from 1.1MB/s to 8.1MB/s:
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BEST SPEED ON LOOP MOUNTED EXT2 /DATA/DATA = 8.1MB/S
That's right, it's 50% SLOWER to read files off the ext 2 /data/data partition (with RyanZ's 2-3 method) than just raw RFS on the best read, 1/13th of the speed in some cases!
Seems hard to imagine how this fix speeds things up other than cacheing writes, which shouldn't impact the opening of files, unless the lag in the first place was some sort of delay reading the files while other things were written to the disk.
With that in mind, apparently the Quadrant speedup is in the WRITE part of the i/o tests, wouldn't you agree? That would be because of the cached writes ext2 does vs RFS?
If this is the case, then high Quadrant scores aside, none of these fixes should really do much to improve the normal look and feel of using the phone, as you alluded to with your comment about playing back videos/music. RFS or ext will serve up the data at more than we need it.
It makes me wonder why so many of us assert that the phone is indeed much snappier on opening apps and stuff. I'm sure it's not a placebo for me, the phone definitely feels faster with any of the lag fixes we use.
What we really need is to see a breakdown in Quadrant's i/o benchmark that distinguishes between the read and writes.
I really don't like that with all these fixes, no one really knows why they speed the phone up.
I'm tempted to go back to just stock JM5 and see what happens.

OverClocking on the HTC Incredible -

I've tried using, I'm not a slow learner. I just don't quite understand how to overclock it.
I'm curious if my profiles settings are correct -
1.113Mhz Max
275Mhz Min on Performance - Are those correct if your trying to run your HTC at its highest quality while sacrificing battery?
I had one -
1.113Mhz Max
1.113Mhz Min and performance. It seemed fast and kept my temperature down to 95.8° instead of being at 108.3° all day and it also saved battery life alot. The reason its normally that hot is because I'm constantly using my Droid. My screen is why my Droid mainly dies half the time.
But can anyone tell me if I'm working this right?
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The performance governor keep your processor at the highest clock speed, so unless your running benchmarks, I wouldn't recommed using it. What kernel are you using and which app are you using for overclocking?

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Set CPU root user access.
Also what do you mean by Benchmarks? Like testing or running certain apps?
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withbloodskies said:
Set CPU root user access.
Also what do you mean by Benchmarks? Like testing or running certain apps?
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Like testing with quadrant or linpack.
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withbloodskies said:
I've tried using, I'm not a slow learner. I just don't quite understand how to overclock it.
I'm curious if my profiles settings are correct -
1.113Mhz Max
275Mhz Min on Performance - Are those correct if your trying to run your HTC at its highest quality while sacrificing battery?
I had one -
1.113Mhz Max
1.113Mhz Min and performance. It seemed fast and kept my temperature down to 95.8° instead of being at 108.3° all day and it also saved battery life alot. The reason its normally that hot is because I'm constantly using my Droid. My screen is why my Droid mainly dies half the time.
But can anyone tell me if I'm working this right?
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use 128-1113 smartass

withbloodskies said:
Set CPU root user access.
Also what do you mean by Benchmarks? Like testing or running certain apps?
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Benchmark apps like linpack or quadrant measure the general amount of processing power the phone is capable of. People generally run these apps to test how fast their phone is. On another note; since it looks like you are using cyanogenmod why are you using setcpu and not the built in overclocking feature built into the rom?

N-Forced said:
Benchmark apps like linpack or quadrant measure the general amount of processing power the phone is capable of. People generally run these apps to test how fast their phone is. On another note; since it looks like you are using cyanogenmod why are you using setcpu and not the built in overclocking feature built into the rom?
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Ahh, well with Set CPU it allows me to use a widget etc. Also by installing one of these CPU apps it controls cyanogens built in CPU.
I'd also like to ask about the updated Nightlies roms they come out with constantly, what do they do?
Improve performance, battery, more options etc?
Sorry I'm a bit new to the world of root.
EDIT-- I tested quadrant and hit the 1,381 mark. Weather that is good or not I don't know.
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With CM7 there's really no need for a separate CPU controlling app, and I've heard it can actually cause conflicts, so I'd recommend just using the built in performance settings in the CM settings menu.
If you're using the stock kernel, I'd set the governor to on demand (I'd recommend smartass but I don't think the stock kernel has it), and set you minimum speed to the lowest possible, max speed to 998mhz. I underclock a little bit (883mhz) and you can experiment with lower or higher max clock speeds if you want to. I've found that overclocking produces no difference in real world performance, everything is just as snappy at 883mhz as it is at 1113mhz and if you choose to underclock, you may notice slightly better battery life.
As for the nightlies, they're usually pretty small changes at this point. They've been perfectly stable and bug free for a while now. There are feature additions that go in to the nightlies, a few things they've added recently are built in screenshot, lockscreen wallpaper, and dBm in the status bar instead of signal bars.
So to answer your question, there isn't really any difference between the nightlies and stable release as far as performance and battery life, but there are more features and options. With the nightlies as stable and bug free as they are, I wouldn't think twice about recommending them.

N-Forced said:
Benchmark apps like linpack or quadrant measure the general amount of processing power the phone is capable of. People generally run these apps to test how fast their phone is. On another note; since it looks like you are using cyanogenmod why are you using setcpu and not the built in overclocking feature built into the rom?
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Benchmarks only very remotely indicate processing power of the device. They mainly measure an abstract of what the ROM and kernel are able to do given certain parameters. I can set my Tbolt up to run in the 1900 on Quadrant or run AOSP and pull down 4000+ scores. CM kernels are good, but I think there are better ones. There's no way running a performance governor yields better life than smartass, ondemand, or interactive. The reason you might want to use performance is if you're using it for a screen off setting. Performance doesn't use clock cycles to constantly measure CPU load so its a good choice when you need the CPU to switch governors and ramp up quickly or when there is no need for the CPU to change speed. Every kernel has its own custom tweaked govs so they will all act differently. I currently run my dInc at 245-1.153 on a smartass gov and my Tbolt at 61MHz-1.49GHz on a modified ondemand gov. Running a setting that simply pulls good scores isn't even always indicative of the quickest, most useful setup. Plus, on many ROMs, running the SetCPU widget will cause serious lag issues regardless of how amazing your benchmark scores. There's a lot to be learned from playing and a lot to be learned from reading and benchmark scores are anything but a gold standard of performance measurement.

k_nivesout said:
With CM7 there's really no need for a separate CPU controlling app, and I've heard it can actually cause conflicts, so I'd recommend just using the built in performance settings in the CM settings menu.
If you're using the stock kernel, I'd set the governor to on demand (I'd recommend smartass but I don't think the stock kernel has it), and set you minimum speed to the lowest possible, max speed to 998mhz. I underclock a little bit (883mhz) and you can experiment with lower or higher max clock speeds if you want to. I've found that overclocking produces no difference in real world performance, everything is just as snappy at 883mhz as it is at 1113mhz and if you choose to underclock, you may notice slightly better battery life.
As for the nightlies, they're usually pretty small changes at this point. They've been perfectly stable and bug free for a while now. There are feature additions that go in to the nightlies, a few things they've added recently are built in screenshot, lockscreen wallpaper, and dBm in the status bar instead of signal bars.
So to answer your question, there isn't really any difference between the nightlies and stable release as far as performance and battery life, but there are more features and options. With the nightlies as stable and bug free as they are, I wouldn't think twice about recommending them.
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I have to agree with him on the multiple clock setting apps. They work my running scripts and the scripts can conflict. If you're not running profiles, don't use SetCPU. If you are, ditch the other app.

Hmm, alright thanks. Well definitely learned alot from Over/Underclocking thank you.
Guess I'll get rid of the app? Should I use a different kernal though then the one I'm using depicted in that picture?
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withbloodskies said:
Hmm, alright thanks. Well definitely learned alot from Over/Underclocking thank you.
Guess I'll get rid of the app? Should I use a different kernal though then the one I'm using depicted in that picture?
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if you want. The cm kernel is just a generic kernel they port for each device so there isn't a lot of customization built into it. It's not a bad kernel, but there are certainly faster ones.

I just caught this thread and wanted to say Thanks for the input...
and ask for your recommendations on a few Kernels to try on a Dinc running CM7, and if you have the time what benefits they might provide?

I'd have to recommend Chad's incredikernel. It has the smartass governor, which tends to yield the best battery life as well as good performance. A feature it has that I find essential now is fast charge, as well as USB fast charge. There's also a flashable SD speed fix that remedies the slow transfer speeds on AOSP roms. It also goes hand in hand with the incredicontrol app, which allows for undervolting to extend your battery life even further.
I'd go to the incredikernel thread in the development forum, and also www.incredikernel.com to read up a bit on all the features and how to utilize them.

k_nivesout said:
I'd have to recommend Chad's incredikernel. It has the smartass governor, which tends to yield the best battery life as well as good performance. A feature it has that I find essential now is fast charge, as well as USB fast charge. There's also a flashable SD speed fix that remedies the slow transfer speeds on AOSP roms. It also goes hand in hand with the incredicontrol app, which allows for undervolting to extend your battery life even further.
I'd go to the incredikernel thread in the development forum, and also www.incredikernel.com to read up a bit on all the features and how to utilize them.
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I installed the lastest, now you said I should get faster USB charge correct? Cause that would be absolutely wonderful, I broke my original cord and got this 1in cord that barely works and it works USB. If this is true this Guy is a God! Anyway so smartass is the best between saving battery and performance?
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Yes, I'd use recommend the smartass governor for the best combo of battery life and performance, and to enable USB fastcharge I use his incredicontrol app. Obviously the fast charge will only work if the USB port is putting out enough power to support it.

k_nivesout said:
Yes, I'd use recommend the smartass governor for the best combo of battery life and performance, and to enable USB fastcharge I use his incredicontrol app. Obviously the fast charge will only work if the USB port is putting out enough power to support it.
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Dude seriously thank you! Is there a personal thread started from Chad declaring his awesome kernel? Ill join his alliance, this **** is literally the best thing my phone could have got.
- Before IncrediKernel, my phone died within 1-2 hours heavy use.
- After Installing, heavy use gives me 4-5 hours.
- Before IncrediKernel, my phone took 3-4 hours to fully charge.
- After installing, my phone charges within 1 hour and 30 mintues roughly upon heavy use. So estimated 40 minutes - 1 hour for full charge without use?
This kernel seriously did wonders. Thanks a ****ing alot chad! Best **** ever!
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Would Love to overclock My T989 but...

Hey folks, I've been using various Roms/Kernels from this awesome board ever since I got My T-Mobile Galaxy S2 (T989).
Right out of the box, my phone has been a bit laggy and I didn't like Touchwiz too much. So I started flashing and been using various Gingerbread builds that were very overclockable and ran very well on my phone!!
However, I miss ICS big time so I've been using the leaked AT&T ports and despite the minor bugs, I love ICS!! What I don't love is the fact that I've been spending weeks trying several kernels to try to Overclock my T989 with this ICS port and Every time it fails (boot loop).
Of course I use Darkside superwipe and kernel clenser B4 trying any and all roms/kernels and never ran into this issue b4.
So I think I am at the point of accepting that currently for the T989, there are NO overclock kernels that support the ICS port. Am I mistaken? Anyone else have any luck where I've been failing? If so, could you point me in the right direction?
By the way, my phone runs much smoother/faster on this AT&T ICS port than any gingerbread Rom I've tried (this includes overclocked kernels). For example, in Quadrant I'm getting over 800 points higher than I've scored on ANY of the gingerbread Roms with overclocked kernels. Not too shabby. Go ICS!
Thanks everyone!!!

wrong section ? >_> ?

What are you developing?
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You posted in the wrong section to start, and without kernel source for the leaks there won't be overclocking, however they run plenty fast without overclocking. I have never needed to overclock a dual core so you may want to try other roms mainly the newest ics leak is really smooth. Next time pay attention where you post as this is not development good luck.
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blacksheep242 said:
For example, in Quadrant I'm getting over 800 points higher than I've scored on ANY of the gingerbread Roms with overclocked kernels. Not too shabby. Go ICS!
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Of course you scored higher on ICS, the under the hood optimization's within ICS are what makes it such an upgrade.

There aren't any oc kernels yet we do not have source. And the ics we do have is not even for our phone.....lol be patient

main_shoby said:
wrong section ? >_> ?
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omg lets kill him for not knowing..and not teach ignore him..but no oc for ics

goodfellajay said:
omg lets kill him for not knowing..and not teach ignore him..but no oc for ics
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There's a Q&A section for a reason. And this section is called "DEVELOPMENT" because it's meant for DEVELOPERS, not people who don't bother to read just a little bit, and inform themse that our phone hasn't had an ICS leak, therefore there will be several cons and drawbacks to flashing an AT&T ROM. You have questions, go to the Q&A section, simple as that, he posted it here because he knew he would get a response here. Whether good or not.

Yikes
Wow, message boards sure have changed quite a bit since I've been deeply involved in them back in the 90's. I recall them being a place where folks with similar interests either discussed various topics, got questions/concerns addressed, or just did some friendly browsing. Key term here is "friendly."
My point is that I've posted in the wrong section. There was a question mark in my original post and I should have caught this . But although THIS section is, apparently, ONLY for DEVELOPERS, am I NOT allowed to browse various Roms, run them, and post my personal experiences and thoughts on them?
And IRIE4PIER, your sarcastic remark of "...not people who don't bother to read just a little bit..." was unnecessary. I read a LOT in this section and found various Roms, kernels, and kind advice to those with questions and/or problems running these various Roms.... Sooo, I figured this would be a great board to post my ICS overclock issue.
So to everyone pointing out my folly by posting in here, I thank you and will be sure it doesn't happen again, And to those who's feelings evidently got hurt...well will get over it, I hope.

He simply pointed out that you posted in the wrong section, I don't think he was rude even though he didn't answer your question. You made the mistake of putting your question in the wrong section, now I've posted in the wrong section before as well by posting a question about accessories in the accessories section and a mod moved it to the q and a. That's a simple mistake I assumed because it was about accessories it was the right section. You on the other hand, as you say you read about roms and kernels in this section you might have noticed that people tend to create threads when they have a mod/kernel/rom. The people that ask questions in this section ask them within the threads about the corresponding rom/kernel/mod so idk why you would create a thread as your obviously intelligent enough to know where it goes. Your not hurting no one but it is annoying none the less, it happens often and forums run better when they are organized and people follow the rules as that is why they exist. Your hostility is silly people are just trying to point out your mistake and some also answered your question as well.
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I always under clock ALWAYS. What is the big deal with oc for u is it just to get higher quadrant scores? This phone flys at 1.35 and the battery life is 4 million times better when under clocked. Quadrant scores don't mean jack **** I go by real life feel
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bbobarino said:
I always under clock ALWAYS. What is the big deal with oc for u is it just to get higher quadrant scores? This phone flys at 1.35 and the battery life is 4 million times better when under clocked. Quadrant scores don't mean jack **** I go by real life feel
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I for one will never understand why people underclock this phone... if its to save an hour or so while running it at 1, 1.2, or 1.3 why not just get an atrix or mt4g slide? Could even stick with the sensation or mt4g... I overclock it at 1.83 and still get 16-18 hours with on screen time usually of 4-5 hours with moderate use running dw 2.5.1..... and its not about quadrant scores, I just want to make sure I'm using my beast to its fullest potential that I paid for.
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foreverloco said:
I for one will never understand why people underclock this phone... if its to save an hour or so while running it at 1, 1.2, or 1.3 why not just get an atrix or mt4g slide? Could even stick with the sensation or mt4g... I overclock it at 1.83 and still get 16-18 hours with on screen time usually of 4-5 hours with moderate use running dw 2.5.1..... and its not about quadrant scores, I just want to make sure I'm using my beast to its fullest potential that I paid for.
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well, for one, the other phones kinda suck and phones like sensation have terrible battery life compared to this. do you really notice a diff between 1.35 and 1.83Ghz? i sure dont. i might as well try to save battery then. its also easier on your hardware to run at lower clock speeds.
i have my ics set at 192 to 1.35ghz and screen off at 192/192. i also have a setting for 192/1000 when its below a battery threshold.

IRIE4IPIER said:
There's a Q&A section for a reason. And this section is called "DEVELOPMENT" because it's meant for DEVELOPERS, not people who don't bother to read just a little bit, and inform themse that our phone hasn't had an ICS leak, therefore there will be several cons and drawbacks to flashing an AT&T ROM. You have questions, go to the Q&A section, simple as that, he posted it here because he knew he would get a response here. Whether good or not.
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u nerds freak out...its funny..u cant post here..cry

It was an honest mistake, but as someone who's moderated boards before (and one that didn't have nearly as much traffic as this one) it does get annoying to constantly be moderating/moving/merging threads together.
I'm sure the OP didn't mean to cause any trouble and he'll look more closely where he's posting next time so problem solved.
As for the actual issue, I never felt a need to overclock the T989, and especially don't see a need with ICS installed. But to each their own

minotauri said:
well, for one, the other phones kinda suck and phones like sensation have terrible battery life compared to this. do you really notice a diff between 1.35 and 1.83Ghz? i sure dont. i might as well try to save battery then. its also easier on your hardware to run at lower clock speeds.
i have my ics set at 192 to 1.35ghz and screen off at 192/192. i also have a setting for 192/1000 when its below a battery threshold.
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For regular use might not see much difference but when I multi task from text to emails, calls, web ect. There is lag if I underclock compared to stock speed or over clocking. My min is set at 384 if I set it lower I get a lag on wake which annoys me and I don't use any different off screen settings or any other profiles, only other thing I do is under volt by 50 globally, but every phone is different and not everyone uses their phone the same..
Opps more like under volted by 25, forgot that dw is already lowered by 25.... That's another thing for the op to watch out for, make sure your phone can handle the over clock with the voltage that's preset.. If not increase it little by little til its good and you get no boot loops.. The way I test it real quick is I run cf benchmark and antutu benchmark, not for the scores but to make sure the phone doesn't reboot in the middle. Now that's just a quick test if you do get a reboot through the day try increasing it a little more to check.
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Here's some quick screens before I set it to charge.. Running at 1.83 and min at 384 under volted by 25 on dw which means under volted by 50 from stock if I'm not mistaken...
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Poor Benchmarks

Hi,
I have tried both Quadrant and Antutu and got disappointing TOTAL scores. 2019 in Quadrant (no OC) that I just checked. The detailed analysis shows that it is comparable to GNex results in all categories like CPU, Memory, 2D and 3D but takes a beating in I/O. The file read/write and database read/write are bad.
I have tried various ROM/Kernel combinations but the results remain almost the same.
Any ideas?

Don't go by those numbers, they are truly useless. The best results I have gotten though was with RasCream's ROM and Trinity Kernel. Just go by what seems to work fastest for you.

Liskrig said:
Don't go by those numbers, they are truly useless. The best results I have gotten though was with RasCream's ROM and Trinity Kernel. Just go by what seems to work fastest for you.
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not true, they are very useful, just not to the layman. they are very useful to kernel developers, and when comparing the same model devices.

With Jelly Bean, I got ~4900 points in Antutu... LOL...

look at my sig. Jellybean is buttery smooth, thats all i care lol. and games like Gta3, shadowgun etc work just as good as they did on ICS

Ah well. I have no problems with the phone. Just keen to know the reason for bad I/O scores. If someone could make me a bit wiser.

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Ah well. I have no problems with the phone. Just keen to know the reason for bad I/O scores. If someone could make me a bit wiser.
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its your setup probably. heres asop 4.1.1(bigxies) and the Trinity kernel(1689mhz)..
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its your setup probably. heres asop 4.1.1(bigxies) and the Trinity kernel(1689mhz)..
sweet! I am going to test mine now!
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Benchmarks are not reliable. Benchmarks are not a valid indication of real-time use. Benchmarks can be manipulated by using special kernel tweaks that do absolutely nothing to improve real-time use (and in some cases, degrade it) and artificially 'improve' benchmark scores.
Summary: Benchmarks are bad. Stop using them.

JaiaV said:
Benchmarks are not reliable. Benchmarks are not a valid indication of real-time use. Benchmarks can be manipulated by using special kernel tweaks that do absolutely nothing to improve real-time use (and in some cases, degrade it) and artificially 'improve' benchmark scores.
Summary: Benchmarks are bad. Stop using them.
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benchmarks can be manipulated, youre right, so stop cheating and take it for what it is. we've been guiding the trinity kernel based off of benchmarks and real use. you can see, in real time, if what you are doing to the kernel is bad or good, then decide what to do next. used properly, they are a very valid indication of real time use, like it or not, that is why they are still around. other than that, many people just have fun with them too. whats your problem with them? feeling inferior?

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benchmarks can be manipulated, youre right, so stop cheating and take it for what it is. we've been guiding the trinity kernel based off of benchmarks and real use. you can see, in real time, if what you are doing to the kernel is bad or good, then decide what to do next. used properly, they are a very valid indication of real time use, like it or not, that is why they are still around. other than that, many people just have fun with them too. whats your problem with them? feeling inferior?
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No, I just had an unfortunate knee-jerk reaction to yet another benchmark thread. It came out a lot more antagonistic than I meant. I just get rather tired of benchmarks in general because they mean very little in most cases and people tend to use them for silly epeen comparing contests, especially in some gaming/PC forums I occasionally frequent. I do think benchmarks are silly and misleading. I don't know why you said to stop cheating, because I don't benchmark my phone at all and don't use custom kernels (well, stock CM9 is a custom kernel I suppose).

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No, I just had an unfortunate knee-jerk reaction to yet another benchmark thread. It came out a lot more antagonistic than I meant. I just get rather tired of benchmarks in general because they mean very little in most cases and people tend to use them for silly epeen comparing contests, especially in some gaming/PC forums I occasionally frequent. I do think benchmarks are silly and misleading. I don't know why you said to stop cheating, because I don't benchmark my phone at all and don't use custom kernels (well, stock CM9 is a custom kernel I suppose).
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first off, i do owe you an apology, i didnt mean to call you a cheater personally. its just that ive found a lot of people that make it a point to say that benchmatks can be manipulated, are manipulating benchmarks themselves. again, im sorry, i dont know you and cant say that youre a cheater. secondly, what irks me is that people have to make it a point to come into a benchmark thread and tell people that benchmarks have absolutely no use, when they actually do have good, valid, uses. and when people tell others to stop benchmarking, that theres no point. benchmarking for some is just fun. who is anybody to tell others to stop having fun because what they are doing is pointess? even if there was absolutely zilch in a benchmark, but they brought somebody joy, then they are worth it. if somebody doesnt agree with them, thats cool, and thats respectable. just ignore these benchmark threads and everyone will be happy.

If you want benchmarks get a one x

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its your setup probably. heres asop 4.1.1(bigxies) and the Trinity kernel(1689mhz)..
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may i ask how exactly you set your phone up with this setup? those are great scores.

I got a 7740 in antutu with slimics and Franco linaro 196r 10oc experimental kernel. That's my best score so far on antutu. I've tried two jellybean roms and the best antutu score was like 4300, lol....probably because there's limited optimizations available for jb so far.
Nick

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first off, i do owe you an apology, i didnt mean to call you a cheater personally. its just that ive found a lot of people that make it a point to say that benchmatks can be manipulated, are manipulating benchmarks themselves. again, im sorry, i dont know you and cant say that youre a cheater. secondly, what irks me is that people have to make it a point to come into a benchmark thread and tell people that benchmarks have absolutely no use, when they actually do have good, valid, uses. and when people tell others to stop benchmarking, that theres no point. benchmarking for some is just fun. who is anybody to tell others to stop having fun because what they are doing is pointess? even if there was absolutely zilch in a benchmark, but they brought somebody joy, then they are worth it. if somebody doesnt agree with them, thats cool, and thats respectable. just ignore these benchmark threads and everyone will be happy.
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I'll just add that there's a thread for benchmarks already then: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1443343
In the spirit of fun I'll post my benchmarks there.

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may i ask how exactly you set your phone up with this setup? those are great scores.
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im using bigxies jb rom, and trinity kernel tnp1689-537-a28(1689mhz cpu, 537mhz gpu). i adjusted the voltage at 1689 until i was completely stable at that speed, then adjust it slightly more until it gave me best results. its benched at 1689/1689 ondemand/deadline. thermal throttling is dasabled, fsync is disabled, and all 3 smart reflex options are disabled. also, at 1689/1689 you produce a lot of heat. if you dont find a way to cool off the phone while benchmarking, you will eventually reach the 110C shutdown safety limit for tbe cpu. i bench at this cpu speed with my battery cover off and in front of a fan or air conditioning(depending on the surrounding temperature). also, i dont have many apps that run/sync in the background except gmail/gtalk.
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I'll just add that there's a thread for benchmarks already then: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1443343
In the spirit of fun I'll post my benchmarks there.
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yup, thats where benchmark scores should go then. this thread is to figure out why the ops scores are lower than expected

Thanks Simms22. But I guess that mystery is not going to be solved anytime soon. If I could localise the poor I/O scores to bad hardware maybe I could change to another piece.

NeoMustain said:
Thanks Simms22. But I guess that mystery is not going to be solved anytime soon. If I could localise the poor I/O scores to bad hardware maybe I could change to another piece.
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Turn off FSync and you will gain almost double I/O score.
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JaiaV said:
No, I just had an unfortunate knee-jerk reaction to yet another benchmark thread. It came out a lot more antagonistic than I meant. I just get rather tired of benchmarks in general because they mean very little in most cases and people tend to use them for silly epeen comparing contests, especially in some gaming/PC forums I occasionally frequent. I do think benchmarks are silly and misleading. I don't know why you said to stop cheating, because I don't benchmark my phone at all and don't use custom kernels (well, stock CM9 is a custom kernel I suppose).
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People need to stop hating the benchmark. Its extremely handy for many reasons. If you want to hate then hate the person who abuses the benchmark. Thats really where your hate should be directed. But claiming to have never used one is just silly and in the event you really dont use benchmarks it probably wouldnt hurt to use one once in awhile.

[Q] Are there any ROMs that are as fast and fluid as PSX?

I was lucky to break 7k on Quadrant with other ROMs, but I tried PSX for the heck of it and broke 9k and I didn't OC it. :good:
My requirements are simple:
1) KitKat
2) Fast, fluid and everything works with no wi-fi issues.
Anyway, since the PSX thread is closed, I thought I'd ask here.

Start Dling and get busy!! Try them all out and let us know. I for one am sticking with CleanRom, currently at 2.6 with some nice optimizations

Flash the Dalvik patch, and ALL of the AOSP roms will break 9k
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naturecannon said:
Start Dling and get busy!! Try them all out and let us know. I for one am sticking with CleanRom, currently at 2.6 with some nice optimizations
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Thanks, I wish I had that sort of time. FYI I tried CleanROM and liked it, but it wasn't as smooth and fast as I prefer. Plus I had some wi-fi issues with it.
BTW I know that benchmarks are not everything, but I've found the better the benchmarks, the smoother the tablet runs (in general at least) and stability and .
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Flash the Dalvik patch, and ALL of the AOSP roms will break 9k
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Thanks. Really? Would it even speed up PSX?

CleanROM 2.6. It's got the Dalvik & Bionic patches baked in:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2383146

jjdavola said:
Thanks, I wish I had that sort of time. FYI I tried CleanROM and liked it, but it wasn't as smooth and fast as I prefer. Plus I had some wi-fi issues with it.
BTW I know that benchmarks are not everything, but I've found the better the benchmarks, the smoother the tablet runs (in general at least) and stability and .
Thanks. Really? Would it even speed up PSX?
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It's highly likely that the patches are baked in.
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It's highly likely that the patches are baked in.
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Thanks. You're correct. I checked the Davlik patch thread and it says do not use the patch for PSX. Either way, so far (one whole day:silly I'm very pleased with PSX, I just didn't know if I should go with a more supported and hopefully even faster and smoother ROM.

Just because he closed the thread here doesn't mean he's not still developing. Sources were updated 2 days ago and they have their own forums now.
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Cleanrom latest as of today 4.4.2 and glitch kernel
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Jaw dropping score!!!
BTW, at what clocks were you able to reach that score of 29k?

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Cleanrom latest as of today 4.4.2 and glitch kernel
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Is that real? I tried CleanROM with JB and I was getting maybe 4 to 5k.

xboxfanj said:
Just because he closed the thread here doesn't mean he's not still developing. Sources were updated 2 days ago and they have their own forums now.
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Thanks. Can you point me in the right direction? I did a quick search and couldn't find it.

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Is that real? I tried CleanROM with JB and I was getting maybe 4 to 5k.
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4 to 5k on what,Antutu or Quadrant? The scores that you see are Antutu scores. Without the patch, the Ron scores about 20k in Antutu, and 5~6k in Quadrant. With the patch, you'll get 24~25k or 9k+ in Antutu and Quadrant respectively. Those scores are with the cpu clocked at 1.5GHz. Overclocking is good for nothing except bragging rights. I haven't seen any task or game that actually benefited from doing that, except benchmarks.
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aarsyl said:
4 to 5k on what,Antutu or Quadrant? The scores that you see are Antutu scores. Without the patch, the Ron scores about 20k in Antutu, and 5~6k in Quadrant. With the patch, you'll get 24~25k or 9k+ in Antutu and Quadrant respectively. Those scores are with the cpu clocked at 1.5GHz. Overclocking is good for nothing except bragging rights. I haven't seen any task or game that actually benefited from doing that, except benchmarks.
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Entirely agree. I have my S4 down clocked from 1.9ghz to 1.5 and have seen no real performance difference lol. I don't play games on it, but I do with my N7 and I never see a hick up with the stock clock.
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aarsyl said:
4 to 5k on what,Antutu or Quadrant? The scores that you see are Antutu scores. Without the patch, the Ron scores about 20k in Antutu, and 5~6k in Quadrant. With the patch, you'll get 24~25k or 9k+ in Antutu and Quadrant respectively. Those scores are with the cpu clocked at 1.5GHz. Overclocking is good for nothing except bragging rights. I haven't seen any task or game that actually benefited from doing that, except benchmarks.
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I was thinking apples (Antutu), but typed oranges (Quadrant). I meant around 17k with Antutu (it was 4 to 5k on Quadrant). I just never personally saw a score over 20k on Antutu until PSX.

jjdavola said:
I was thinking apples (Antutu), but typed oranges (Quadrant). I meant around 17k with Antutu (it was 4 to 5k on Quadrant). I just never personally saw a score over 20k on Antutu until PSX.
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Got 24k antutu on my N7.
On stock with a custom kernel.
Bottom line:
Benchmarks are a load of nonsense and some ROM/kernel developers use 'cheats' to bump scores.
Use your own real life use of the device to decide if you are haply with performance, benchmarks are for fun and nothing else.
If someone quotes a benchmark score in a debate they instantly lose. Simple as that.
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Benchmarks are not useless. They benchmark the actual performance of your cpu , GPU and Ram. These same type of tools are what the manufactures use to test their chips in the lab to tell you a number on the box ( which btw is always underclocked below what it is capable of so that the number on the box is consistent. Most high quality CPUs or GPUs can be overclocked with out a problem. Hell even some computer motherboards and CPUs come with overclocking tools from factory. Benchmarks are not pointless I wish this stupid bandwagon mentality would stop. There is no such thing as a cheat. The CPU either works that fast or it doesn't.

Purespeedx.net btw
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Is that real? I tried CleanROM with JB and I was getting maybe 4 to 5k.
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On CleanROM 2.6 (KitKat 4.4.2) with stock kernel and no overclock, I got 9710 Quadrant and 24385 Antutu.
2.6 has the Dalvik & Bionic patches baked in.

benchmarks
While I do have to agree, benchmarks were mere bragging rights except for this,
Depending on how you look at things.
Benchmarks, were meant to tell you if your device works with specifications. Under performing then you know right away something is wrong.
Also, it might not appeal to some of you but, some people want to get most of what they have performance wise. And tend to look for ways to improve their gadgets. Over clocking? Hell yaeh!! Been there. Nothing wrong with it. It's my device, so what?
But the point is, when some people show you benchmarks scores that were above your reach, don't dismiss it as bragging..
Maybe some of you also braggs about your battery life after down clocking. Hell right?
Give each other respect. If he scores high, and way beyond your reach, so be it. He worked for it. He deserves it.
When he cries over his 5 hour battery life, it's his device.
Go figure.
I love to post benchmarks scores just to know and compare what others are getting with the same scenario to indicate what I'm doing is right on track. My deb scores 12k+ on 3DMark unlimited and 9k+ on extreme. Is that bragging? Hell, no. You don't even know how I came up with such scores, so don't fret.
I was able to find a spot where my device works best. Isn't that a consolation I have to enjoy? With working best, I meant the perfect balance of performance and everything.
And don't you dare say I got it by over clocking the hell out of my tablet. Unless you work for it, over clocking isn't a guarantee for high benchmarks scores.