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Mango update news, can't be all bad I suppose.

Copy from Neowin.net. If this is old news, mod pls close thread.
Today, the slew of "pre-Mango" posts began. Were you suspicious about why the sudden posting? It's because Microsoft has been giving out the build to the press ahead of the Mango Beta release, which is due to be announced within the next 24 hours.
Neowin has received multiple independent tips that the beta will be made available for all devices through the MSDN Create hub for those with developer accounts, on June 22/23, with Microsoft set to make the announcement sometime during the next 24 hours. The beta will not be restricted to "favorite" developers but will be generally available to anyone with a paid subscription, and will be able to be loaded on any of the production devices.
The timing of the claims line up, as do the legitimacy of the claims considering the amount of reviews that have just appeared. Also, if you look at multiple reviews, each one uses a different device. There aren't any Mango events worldwide for this specific launch, so we expect a release will appear on Microsoft's PressPass site soon.
Mango brings a new set of features to the platform, including IE9 support, full IM integration, performance improvements and multitasking and is expected to be released in September of this year for general availability.
Update: Neowin used multiple sources to comfirm this news. The sources used to confirm this article are reliable, and this news is not considered a rumor currently. In addition, the software giant is planning on handing out developer devices to VIP devlopers as part of the announcement.
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Seriously, if that happens, I will trave to USA to kiss Balmer's bald head!

So if you feel like it you can pay $99 to get Mango now .

Well if it's available to developers than there will be ways to install it on other phones too.
I have no idea how that's supposed to work though via the official channel. Full ROM flash?

personally i think its crap. Until someone confrims it. Joe Belfiore himself confired via twitter that they will be handing mango devices.

I've read about that on several sources too. Now if that turns out to be true I will have pre-release Mango within the next 2 days. oO Woohoo! Sadly a lot of the features won't be available right now. Like Twitter integration in the peoples hub and such. But I guess there'll be additional releases like that until Microsoft releases the final build to all customers.

@androidkiller
So joe says he will hand mango devices.. which means its crap that microsoft that will release the ROM?
theres no logic there

vangrieg said:
Well if it's available to developers than there will be ways to install it on other phones too.
I have no idea how that's supposed to work though via the official channel. Full ROM flash?
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Zune maybe... They know if you are a developer, so they can push trough a message that your phone has an update. Or maybe you have to make a request on the apphub and than it will be pushed trough zune...
Well Im trying not to get my hopes up... First see than believe

Brandon Watson from Microsoft just tweeted:
WinRumors and neowin are not correct. Press reviews of consumer features are only thing happening this week.
Well, in about 24 hours we know what is true and what not.

That's great!

dkp1977 said:
Brandon Watson from Microsoft just tweeted:
WinRumors and neowin are not correct. Press reviews of consumer features are only thing happening this week.
Well, in about 24 hours we know what is true and what not.
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Brandon also tweeted
Every developer matters. Every. Single. One. Deep breath everyone.
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The "Every. Single. One." gives me hope that there will be distribution of pre-release Mango outside that of just developer devices.

tiny17 said:
Brandon also tweeted
The "Every. Single. One." gives me hope that there will be distribution of pre-release Mango outside that of just developer devices.
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Well, maybe in his first tweet he meant, that it won't be release as soon as different sites stated it will be. We'll see.

dkp1977 said:
Well, maybe in his first tweet he meant, that it won't be release as soon as different sites stated it will be. We'll see.
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That's my thought too. The key part of his tweet to me is "this week". That means there (likely) won't be a developer release right now, but it also implies that next week there very likely could be.

dkp1977 said:
Brandon Watson from Microsoft just tweeted:
WinRumors and neowin are not correct. Press reviews of consumer features are only thing happening this week.
Well, in about 24 hours we know what is true and what not.
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Yes but a lot of site have display/demoit regular devices that are running mango build.
Last site is here...
This means that there is a rom or update out there for those regular devices !!!!
Where is it ??? I want it ????

colossus_r said:
Yes but a lot of site have display/demoit regular devices that are running mango build.
Last site is here...
This means that there is a rom or update out there for those regular devices !!!!
Where is it ??? I want it ????
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That's the demo device. Microsoft has been handing out Samsung Focus pre-loaded with Mango pre-release for reviews.

out there are also hd7 and mozart phones runing mango
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That's awesome!! Thanks for this great news

Hey guys,
Here's the new full story:
WP7: Mango beta process detailed, delay explained, new unannounced features
You can read about it in the story, but essentially whats happened is Microsoft delayed it and is still planning on releasing the update this week. Here's hoping, right?!

[Confirmed!] pre-release Mango for developers coming today!?

Hey fellow WP7 users,
first of all, it's pure speculation, but that's what Bill Cox, Senior Director, Communications - Windows Phone Division at Microsoft tweeted a few minutes ago:
Big day for Windows Phone: Angry Birds, Epicurious, Eventful, Dictionary.com, Kik, GoWalla. And a juicy surprise for tomorrow...
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Juicy surprise? Now if a Mango ain't juicy, what else is?
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updated post. See the related blog article with instructions on how to get your developer mango pre-release right now.

Would be nice! =D. Might just be a juicy app or more announcements about o.s features...
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Nice catch! Crossing my fingers for epic stuff tomorrow!

Where is the tweet? I wanna see it with my own eyes!

mikeeam said:
Where is the tweet? I wanna see it with my own eyes!
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Here you go.. Don't know how to link it though, sorry.

I'm relieved that the surprise is not Angry Birds. Hate this game.
Hope it's mango for developers! Mango hardwares wouldn't help me either.
And thanks for the image.. not that I didn't believe, is just nice to see from your own eyes (;

i would just love if anyone would find a way to make it possible to somehow port this beta for all xda users

I spent a couple of minutes thinking about it. Would it make sense to promise a huge surprise and then reveal it to be the awaited developer pre-release of mango? This would definitely leave all non-developers behind and thus disappoint a lot of users out there. So I think the surprise will be something else. Or maybe they decided to make the pre-release available for all.

dkp1977 said:
I spent a couple of minutes thinking about it. Would it make sense to promise a huge surprise and then reveal it to be the awaited developer pre-release of mango? This would definitely leave all non-developers behind and thus disappoint a lot of users out there. So I think the surprise will be something else. Or maybe they decided to make the pre-release available for all.
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yeah but the question is which devs get it? student and pay devs or just paid devs? that's the question
I mean its a great week for microsoft. They're stepping their game up because of
DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS

Because it's a tweet from Bill Cox and not Brandon Watson I would think it's something for everyone rather than just developers. Something people have been asking for for a long time that's finally making it to WP7. I personally keep my fingers crossed for WLM as they could have it both integrated to the OS and with its own app like facebook and twitter.
All in all I don't think it's the Mango beta but rather something the average user will enjoy.

Maybe Skype?

That's what Neowin has to contribute on the topic.

or maybe for the first time MS will announce that mango will be out in july insted of fall....
first time before the scheduled date...

freudator said:
Maybe Skype?
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no way,because skype with what? all the currently devices don't have front facing camera...

I may over interprete his statement, but Mr. Cox explicitly said juicy surprise. So if they are not going to announce Fruit Ninja 2 or something similar, I have no idea what besides Mango they could mean.

Interpretation
1) i hope. they release mango for all. this would be the perfect surprise like steve jobs when he is shows a new iphone in the end of a presantation a new iphone.
2) they release mango earlyer. the pre versions in the videos are very smooth.
3) they release mango to the developers
or only juiced ninja would be free for a day.....
time will tell

Well, it's not speculation anymore. See this.

Get the 7.1 beta 2 dev tools that allow Mango deployment here:
http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=26648
Note, you need to be a registered AppHub developer to put Mango on your retail phone.
EDIT: You MUST uninstall the 7.1 beta 1 dev tools before installing beta 2. This just took me around 20 minutes on a Core 2 Duo, so carry on reading more juicy Mango info while that's happening

It's awesome! Omg, cant wait to taste Mango!
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Wait wait.. just noticed that now.. retail device?
So it will not work with my unlocked Trophy 7?!

I meant normal phones (carrier locked/unbranded/unlocked).
AFAIK there's nothing in the release notes or the blog post that suggests unlocked devices won't be compatible with this build

Confirmed! no WP8 for current devices

Yeap, MS sucks!!!
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/20/microsoft-unveils-windows-phone-7-8-for-legacy-devices/

eortizr said:
Yeap, MS sucks!!!
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/20/microsoft-unveils-windows-phone-7-8-for-legacy-devices/
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Cool, so you selling your device so you can buy an Android ...which obviously doesn't suck.....al;kdjghy8t g[pozhunbx......sorry, I threw up saying that.
Bottom line here...they've always said this....It needs to work...if it doesn't , they won't do it. I can live with that...obviously your standards are higher than mine...
Part I like best.... The update will be delivered directly to users, sidestepping carriers, and can be done over WiFi.

its not so much the lack of ability to take advantage of multicore and NFC. but due to the new kernel its the lack of new apps

What is sucks about this is the fragmentation, now you'll see a bunch of apps only supported if you are running WP8. which you wont be able to do on your 2 months old Lumia.

Hopefully this is true.
http://mynokiablog.com/2012/06/20/w...siasts-btw-this-is-a-wp8-lumia-already-right/

xsever said:
Hopefully this is true.
http://mynokiablog.com/2012/06/20/w...siasts-btw-this-is-a-wp8-lumia-already-right/
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I think this means 7.8. I do not believe they mean 8.0.

xsever said:
Hopefully this is true.
http://mynokiablog.com/2012/06/20/w...siasts-btw-this-is-a-wp8-lumia-already-right/
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still only available for WP8 devices.
http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=10653

why so angry.... they are not forgetting 2. gen devices they are just not getting all.
im ok happy about it.. i will keep my Lumia 900 and Lumia 800 and if i can't live with out WP 8 I will just by one when released..

eortizr said:
What is sucks about this is the fragmentation, now you'll see a bunch of apps only supported if you are running WP8. which you wont be able to do on your 2 months old Lumia.
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In basic principle, I can agree. But not in overall. An available app will or won't be able to load on your phone. Its not like it will download and not run right. Like you see in the Android market.
At some point its got to be ok to say, it makes no sense to upgrade a device. If you were to upgrade to 8, but most of the new features didn't work, you would comment about how it didn't work.
Can't have it both ways...well, maybe you can....but still...Microsoft is only doing what it said it would do.
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why so angry.... they are not forgetting 2. gen devices they are just not getting all.
im ok happy about it.. i will keep my Lumia 900 and Lumia 800 and if i can't live with out WP 8 I will just by one when released..
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<---Nodding head...uh huh....yep....exactly !!

Sounds like HD2 drama all over again. Expect XDA to rescue.
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xsever said:
Hopefully this is true.
http://mynokiablog.com/2012/06/20/w...siasts-btw-this-is-a-wp8-lumia-already-right/
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The guy mis-read/mis-understood entirely.
What MS said is that WP8 users, not WP7 users, can register to be Microsoft's test mules for updates that are going to be released soon.

The biggest worry is that WP8 will allow native code for apps, and that many apps will thus not work on "older" phones.
The Lumia 900 is only a few months old and the 800 and 710 and 610 are not much older (all are less than 9 months on the market), but they will not be getting Windows Phone 8 update just like all first generation Windows Phones. Nokia must have known for some time as well that current Lumia buyers would not get WP8 update, this seems unfair especially for Lumia 900 buyers.
I wonder if Nokia plans to do something to make this more fair for current Lumia users?

bobzero said:
I wonder if Nokia plans to do something to make this more fair for current Lumia users?
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How hard would it be to offer the "with-contract" price on the new WP8 devices to current Mango owners, even if they're not eligible for an upgrade? That would satisfy me plenty.

Apps written in native code won't happen immediately. If you're an app developer, why write an app for a market with no installed base when you can write one to cover both the installed base and the developing one?

bobzero said:
The biggest worry is that WP8 will allow native code for apps, and that many apps will thus not work on "older" phones.
The Lumia 900 is only a few months old and the 800 and 710 and 610 are not much older (all are less than 9 months on the market), but they will not be getting Windows Phone 8 update just like all first generation Windows Phones. Nokia must have known for some time as well that current Lumia buyers would not get WP8 update, this seems unfair especially for Lumia 900 buyers.
I wonder if Nokia plans to do something to make this more fair for current Lumia users?
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I agree, I bought my 900 and I love the phone I really do but I somehow feel cheated that Nokia let this phone out knowing there would be no update. And yes I am sure they knew, when releasing this phone that there would be no WP8.
How WP 7.8 will make me happy? I like the new start screen but I also want a file explorer and the ability to add custom tones and ringers at will. Yes I know some of you look at adding custom ringers and tones is silly but hey I like it ...and no I DON'T want an android.

I think AT$T should allow lumia 900 and htc titan owners to upgrade to a new wp8 at the 2 year contract price. I don't want to be stuck with old outdated apps
http://mynokiablog.com/2012/06/20/f...k-with-wp8-but-wp8-apps-will-not-work-on-wp7/

Drewskie said:
the ability to add custom tones and ringers at will. Yes I know some of you look at adding custom ringers and tones is silly but hey I like it ...and no I DON'T want an android.
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You can do this now. What am I missing?
You just sync MP3's to your phone, after changing the genere to "ringtone", I believe... there's a bunch of tutorials out ther on the subject.

ballanda123 said:
You can do this now. What am I missing?
You just sync MP3's to your phone, after changing the genere to "ringtone", I believe... there's a bunch of tutorials out ther on the subject.
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lol I know that I was more referring to custom tones for email and messaging. As for custom ringers I think and on board app for making them would be cool. But I already knew bout the methods to make them just to be clear.

Was I a beta tester?
Lol
I think the commercial was aiming at themselves.

redwhiteandblue said:
Apps written in native code won't happen immediately. If you're an app developer, why write an app for a market with no installed base when you can write one to cover both the installed base and the developing one?
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It is other way around. A lot of good apps/games are not ported over to WP7 because of the lack of native code support. Once WP8 is out, you will see a lot of those apps/games flood the martket.
Besides, you can create apps for Windows 8 and WP8 at the same time with very minimum modifications.

F**king ludicrous. All the features I have been waiting for I expected to see in Apollo. VPN, true multitasking, native code execution and the excuse is we can't support newer hardware and older on the same platform?
What total load of bullsh!t. I have been supporting MS OS's for a LONG time now and have windows 7 running on 9 year old computers and XP running on new hardware. I guess the last 20 years of them writing OS's that can do that isn't proof it is possible?! Thanks for thinking were all too stupid to notice.

Lumia owner cheated and angry.

Of the lumia 900 owners, how many of you feel cheated and angry over how Microsoft is handling WP8.
1. Yes
2. No

A little cheated. Glad MS tried with 7.8 but I'm just worried about how that will fare down the line with 22 months left on my contract. Don't think I'll be waiting to find out.

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A little cheated. Glad MS tried with 7.8 but I'm just worried about how that will fare down the line with 22 months left on my contract. Don't think I'll be waiting to find out.
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I believe it's a very good point for the class action against MS and AT&T. Just keep googling for that and be ready to join

Won my lumia 900, and I planed to get an updated wp8 device anyway, so, to answer your question, no I don't feel cheated. I might be angry at myself anyway for buying one knowing dual core was coming in a few months (if I had signed a contract)

Considering all the features coming for WP8 and 7.8 haven't been announced yet, I don't feel cheated at all. I imagine more is coming in 7.8 than they stated today. Joe Belfiore was very specific that they have MANY great things to talk about with consumer features, but that wasn't the point of the conference today.

I'll feel pretty cheated if the only features WP7.8 gets is the new start screen...

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A little cheated. Glad MS tried with 7.8 but I'm just worried about how that will fare down the line with 22 months left on my contract. Don't think I'll be waiting to find out.
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Im going to sell.

The technoweenie in me wants to buy a WP8 when it comes out, but the realistic human in me feels cheated...
I just bought the Lumia 900, and to hear that a new version of the OS is coming out soon and that the product I just bought will be un-supported and development ceased (for the most part) pisses me off...
I'm pissed off enough that I'm still waiting for a purple screen fix, and now this?

If I were a Lumia owner I'd definitely feel cheated.
Looks like the Lumia 900 is going to be the Galaxy S+ of the Windows world.
Thrown to the market and 2 months afterwards you got outdated software because the manufacturer never planned to provide updates.
Not receiving updates seems to get normal in the mobile industry in some way.
This would be the point to switch to Android for me, but I'm not a big WP7 fan I have to admit.
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land.apfel said:
If I were a Lumia owner I'd definitely feel cheated.
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Why? We don't even know the Windows Phone 7.8 features?
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Thrown to the market and 2 months afterwards you got outdated software because the manufacturer never planned to provide updates.
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We've received two manufacturer updates already. And there have been at least two announced future updates... Tango and Windows Phone 7.8.
dtboos said:
Considering all the features coming for WP8 and 7.8 haven't been announced yet, I don't feel cheated at all.
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This is an interesting concept. So you think we should actually wait and see what updated features we will be getting before criticizing them? Great idea!
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Of the lumia 900 owners, how many of you feel cheated and angry over how Microsoft is handling WP8.
1. Yes
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Once all Windows Phone 8 and 7.8 are out why don't you ask this question and add a poll to your thread? Make it a good poll with at least one option that says I'm satisfied.

There is still a chance that Nokia will provide WP8 on the Lumia 800/900 isn't there? I wouldn't jump to any conclusions just yet.
Before anyone starts ranting about the announcement, Nokia is not Microsoft. Stop, think. Avoid replying anyway.

at45 said:
There is still a chance that Nokia will provide WP8 on the Lumia 800/900 isn't there? I wouldn't jump to any conclusions just yet.
Before anyone starts ranting about the announcement, Nokia is not Microsoft. Stop, think. Avoid replying anyway.
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I don't know about the Hardware requirements. I haven't watched the keynote, but I don't think they've given a NFC requirement for all phones. Interesting thought. I guess it could happen. I don't think it will, although it would be nice, of course. Then again, maybe WP7.8 will be better than thought. Who knows?

I don't understand what it is people think they will be missing. WP8 brings support for dual core, high def screens, and NFC hardware. Does your phone have any of that? No. So you wouldn't be able to enjoy those features anyway even if WP8 did run on your phone.
Ok so we may not get the true multi tasking and Skype running in the background - we don't actually know yet - but did you buy your phone only on the basis that you would definitely get that one day? Is your phone suddenly going to stop working the day WP8 comes out? Are app developers all suddenly going to abandon the installed base of users for a new OS that doesn't have one yet?

When I got my Lumia two weeks ago, I knew that there was Skype coming with "serious" integration and VoIP API for others. I also knew that Microsoft bought Skype so I was expecting it.
At least that the Lumia 800 was for free.

OndraSter said:
When I got my Lumia two weeks ago, I knew that there was Skype coming with "serious" integration and VoIP API for others. I also knew that Microsoft bought Skype so I was expecting it.
At least that the Lumia 800 was for free.
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Its always been said that skype couldnt work on WP7 due to the way the OS operates and while its not great im still happy they released some sort of app rather then not bother at all

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You can't be serious?!

Zero. Give thanks that you get 7.8. Try to image Android users still stuck on Froyo or Gingerbread. Or 3GS or iPhone 4 users moving to iOS6.
Get over it and move to the future. 8 looks to be a fantastic competitor to iOS and Android.

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Zero. Give thanks that you get 7.8. Try to image Android users still stuck on Froyo or Gingerbread. Or 3GS or iPhone 4 users moving to iOS6.
Get over it and move to the future. 8 looks to be a fantastic competitor to iOS and Android.
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This is different. The Lumia is a flagship that just came out. I'm amazed at how some of you are okay with this.
"Get over it and move to the future."?
Wtf man, what about all the people who got this on contract? You expect them to just "move to the future" and buy a new device off contract this early on?
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LOL... I think Nokia gonna do something to help out the customer who did bought the Lumia product recently... I got what you mean...
Da, it sucks to register for a device for 2 years and then stuck with it (that is why i never sign the damn contract). But i believe Windows Phone 7.8 is actually Windows Phone 8 BUT without all the functions that require the physical hardware to handle.
Time will tell. Personally, i don't feel any lost, i changed phone almost every holiday season of the year. 2010 = First Windows Phone (HD7), 2011 = Mango Windows Phone (Eternity) , 2012 = Windows Phone 8. I am curious about what HTC has to offer for us.

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I don't understand what it is people think they will be missing. WP8 brings support for dual core, high def screens, and NFC hardware. Does your phone have any of that? No. So you wouldn't be able to enjoy those features anyway even if WP8 did run on your phone.
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I think you may have just described Microsoft's reason for not updating existing phones i.e. not because they are too old or too slow but because they won't benefit enough from the new features to justify the investment.
"Microsoft’s Greg Sullivan revealed the reasons behind the company’s choice not to offer a direct upgrade from Windows Phone 7.x to Windows Phone 8.
Describing some of the latest hardware changes in Windows Phone 8, that we outline here, Sullivan explained that "the nature of the investment [in Windows Phone 8] is primarily in areas that are not exploitable by existing hardware." Windows Phone 8 introduces support for multi-core processors, amongst other things, so the "Lumia 900 getting support for using dual-core or NFC doesn't mean a lot," says Sullivan, "because it doesn't have the hardware to take advantage of that." Microsoft decided to focus its efforts on Windows Phone 8 to make it as good as it possibly could. "To do the work to bring all of those elements to a platform that can't exploit them wasn't necessarily the most efficient use of resource," explains Sullivan."
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7.8 update on Christmas?

So based on a leaked document from AT&T the 7.8 update will not go live until WP8 devices are released.... that means 7.8 will not come to the Lumia until Christmas...
Nokia and MS are just playing with the customer making promises they will not fulfill.

Matters not to me I will grab a Win Phone 8 device when they are available and either slide my L900 in a drawer or put it on ebay, as will most others who want the latest

oh yeah, since we all have a pile of money laying around to update our phones every six months. prick.

I thought Nokia was going to directly push the updates to customers who sign up for a program? I was confused when AT&T mentioned they had a timeline for it.

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oh yeah, since we all have a pile of money laying around to update our phones every six months. prick.
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Careful - name calling isn't part of the discussion. If someone can afford it they are welcome to do what they want with their money. He said what he's going to do, not what everyone should do. Hence, name calling is totally unwarranted here.
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I thought Nokia was going to directly push the updates to customers who sign up for a program? I was confused when AT&T mentioned they had a timeline for it.
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Yes, the update will be made available OTA afaik. My guess is that AT&T will do the official push to gather everyone in so they all are running 7.8. I would assume that even though I will be pushing the update to myself, not everyone will want to do that (depending on how it's made available). My dad comes to mind
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Matters not to me I will grab a Win Phone 8 device when they are available and either slide my L900 in a drawer or put it on ebay, as will most others who want the latest
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Exactly - to be the latest and greatest at all times, you need to be ready to shell out the cash. I'll be looking at the 1st gen WP8 devices, but I'm pretty sure I'll be picking up a slate/tablet this time around as my iToy err iPad (gen 1) is gathering dust due to uselessness and lag (should have NEVER added the latest OS patch =/).
I'm already looking towards WP8 Gen II devices :angel:

Actually I am a little fuzzy about the OTA update thing. When they were talking about that, were they referring to future WP8 devices, or legacy devices as well. Same goes for the 18 month support promise. Moving forward, or including legacy devices.
If a WP7.8 OTA update is planned, do devices already have that capability, or do we need a "plug in" update to enable it?
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jimski said:
Actually I am a little fuzzy about the OTA update thing. When they were talking about that, were they referring to future WP8 devices, or legacy devices as well. Same goes for the 18 month support promise. Moving forward, or including legacy devices.
If a WP7.8 OTA update is planned, do devices already have that capability, or do we need a "plug in" update to enable it?
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Well, I'm going off of some articles I read about the WP 7.8 update, including what Paul Thurrott said. However, I can't seem to find a direct quote from Microsoft. So, we'll just have to wait and see. Nokia said something about 7.8 arriving in the coming weeks, but again, that could have also been in reference to something else (re: exclusive apps and extras).
*shrug* still lots to follow =)

I remember well that only WP8 will receive ota.

xsever said:
I remember well that only WP8 will receive ota.
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Yes, as a regular feature. But 7.8 was discussed otherwise:
Windows Update. Windows Phone 7.8 will be delivered directly to all Windows Phone users, bypassing the carriers. You will be able to download and install Windows Phone 7.8 over Wi-Fi, at home or wherever else, and install this update. This type of updating will be made available in Windows Phone 8, as well, as given my long, loud, and lengthy complaining about the lack of such updating in Windows Phone 7.x, you won’t be surprised, maybe, to discover that Microsoft jokingly calls this “the Paul Thurrott feature” internally.
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That was the only part I could find, not an official bit from Microsoft themselves. you can see it here: http://www.winsupersite.com/article/windowsphone75/windows-phone-78-preview-143476

So, AT&T customers won't get the 7.8 update until Xmas? Yet another reason not buying devices from the carriers... Alternatively, anyone who doesn't want to wait for AT&T generously allowing him to update - could just flash his device with a non-AT&T ROM - right?

efektos said:
So, AT&T customers won't get the 7.8 update until Xmas? Yet another reason not buying devices from the carriers... Alternatively, anyone who doesn't want to wait for AT&T generously allowing him to update - could just flash his device with a non-AT&T ROM - right?
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So then I suppose you know when everyone else will be receiving WP7.8. What a surprise if AT&T releases it before everybody. They do carry the flagship device after all.
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bigwavesurfer4 said:
oh yeah, since we all have a pile of money laying around to update our phones every six months. prick.
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Was going to say something in response but have decided instead that, thanks to people like surfer dude here, for me xda no longer serves the purpose for me it once did. It was one of the best sources on the for useful, helpful information for phones and tablets, but has become a source of irritation and frustration with very little useful information. There are far too many people who whine and complain without offering anything useful or meaningful to the community as a whole, to the point there is more griping than anything else. That being said, I am outta here and on to find the quality elsewhere. l8r

when they say in the "coming weeks", anybody have any idea of "how many" weeks does in the "coming weeks" refers to? i'm actually using an unbranded unit, so i'm actually looking forward for this update

jimski said:
So then I suppose you know when everyone else will be receiving WP7.8. What a surprise if AT&T releases it before everybody. They do carry the flagship device after all.
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Honestly I didn't know that there's an official release date for WP7.8, but I presume it'll be available before (or at the same time at most) AT&T releases their branded version of the update...