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WP7 will officially support homebrew development

http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-to-officially-support-homebrew-developments-on-windows-phone-7
Microsoft will soon support homebrew developments on their Windows Phone 7 platform following two days of meetings with developers behind the ChevronWP7 unlocking tool.
Late last year following the release of Windows Phone 7, a team of developers uncovered a bug which allowed those with a device running the operating system to install applications on their device without using Microsoft's application store, dubbed the Marketplace.
It made headlines as technology enthusiasts fought over whether the release of the unlocking tool, ChevronWP7, was a good idea to enable freedom on the platform or if it was a bad idea, encouraging jailbreaking and piracy.
However the team behind the software were soon contacted by Microsoft's Brandon Watson, Director of Developer Experience for Windows Phone 7, who took a keen interest in the matter and encouraged the developers to cease offering the tool while discussions about ChevronWP7's future continued between Microsoft and the developers.
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The details of how this all is going to work has not been finalized. But at least we know it's coming.

Bengal34 said:
http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-to-officially-support-homebrew-developments-on-windows-phone-7
The details of how this all is going to work has not been finalized. But at least we know it's coming.
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the january update was coming too. tell me when it comes, otherwise bull****.

pillsburydoughman said:
the january update was coming too. tell me when it comes, otherwise bull****.
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The 'January' update IS coming:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/features/update-info.aspx
It's just that the 'when' is unknown. Hell, there is still a week left in January so it could still drop in time. Otherwise it'll probably be sometime in February, maybe just waiting until MWC?

Bengal34 said:
The 'January' update IS coming:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/features/update-info.aspx
It's just that the 'when' is unknown. Hell, there is still a week left in January so it could still drop in time. Otherwise it'll probably be sometime in February, maybe just waiting until MWC?
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Definitely very promising indications. It will be the best of both worlds, a secure and sandboxed marketplace plus freedom to install apps normally without restriction.
If they also give us a file system, in addition to the updates planned for this year, we'll have a decent OS on our hands.

pillsburydoughman said:
the january update was coming too. tell me when it comes, otherwise bull****.
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MS never said the update was coming in January.

This is great news
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Desperate times cause for desperate measures. Some interest is better than none, I guess.

I recommend Microsoft to implement an "Advanced" tab in the Zune software to dev-unlock phones for users, but it should come with agreements, warnings and such to prevent regular users from attempting...
Or, they could add a new tier of developer accounts for free, so users like XDA-devs would be able to unlock their phones.
The problem with the current dev accounts is that even if you sign up and pay, you still have to submit a US taxt form, etc. AND you do not get verified until you submit your first app, which is kind of ridiculous (at least that is how it works for DreakSpark accounts).
I really hope Microsoft follows up on whatever promise they gave ChevronWP7 devs...

paperclips said:
MS never said the update was coming in January.
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Yes.... maybe Feb, March or April.... who know????

iwantnokia said:
Yes.... maybe Feb, March or April.... who know????
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Well, MS did said update will be in january.

Jefis said:
Well, MS did said update will be in january.
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I thought they said "early 2011" or "Q1 2011" or somesuch. Don't remember them specifying a month. My bet goes on a post-MWC release.

Bengal34 said:
The 'January' update IS coming:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/features/update-info.aspx
It's just that the 'when' is unknown. Hell, there is still a week left in January so it could still drop in time. Otherwise it'll probably be sometime in February, maybe just waiting until MWC?
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According to MS, the update is ready, just trying to get the carrier kinks worked out. I'm guessing 1st week of feb for this update and maybe another small update announced at mwc.

Small update announcement and new handsets at MWC.

In depth Mango preview on Engadget

Engadget's just posted a really nice preview of Windows Phone Mango, you guys should all check it out.
Bad news? Seems like it's still slated for Q4 of this year. Kinda glad I sold my Trophy now - so much for Multitasking in March.
Anyway, good luck!
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/27/windows-phone-7-5-mango-in-depth-preview-video/

zukа said:
Engadget's just posted a really nice preview of Windows Phone Mango, you guys should all check it out.
Bad news? Seems like it's still slated for Q4 of this year. Kinda glad I sold my Trophy now - so much for Multitasking in March.
Anyway, good luck!
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/27/windows-phone-7-5-mango-in-depth-preview-video/
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q4????
er...q3 I thought since MS RTMs their OSes for OEMs between july and august with consumer reach the following fall...

I'm just going by what the article said, maybe Engadget messed up or maybe the release has been pushed back.

Awesome preview wish this update would drop soon.
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domineus said:
q4????
er...q3 I thought since MS RTMs their OSes for OEMs between july and august with consumer reach the following fall...
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It was always quite clear it will be Q4. Q3 starts in few days.

I don't believe that you people honestly believe it'll be Q-anything do you?
I call mid-2012 at least.
/wp7 fan
//realist

sure haven't said:
I don't believe that you people honestly believe it'll be Q-anything do you?
I call mid-2012 at least.
/wp7 fan
//realist
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That's not being a realist. They've already stated this will be released this fall on countless occasions. Nokia has also already stated at least one phone will be released this year as well.
Its coming this year, and I bet they are working overtime to get this out by sept. if possible at least as an update to already circulating hardware.
Mid 2012 at least? That will likely be the newly discovered Tango update. Apollo will follow and likely tie in with Windows 8.

yeah, GREAT preview by engadget...i especially like the part where they say that 3rd party live tile support is finally coming with mango...thanks for the os awareness pals

dtboos said:
That's not being a realist. They've already stated this will be released this fall on countless occasions. Nokia has also already stated at least one phone will be released this year as well.
Its coming this year, and I bet they are working overtime to get this out by sept. if possible at least as an update to already circulating hardware.
Mid 2012 at least? That will likely be the newly discovered Tango update. Apollo will follow and likely tie in with Windows 8.
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I agree. Microsoft seems to be much more aggressive with the way Mango is being hyped this early in the development cycle. I will not be at all surprised to see phones with Mango pre-loaded, on store shelves before the end of September. And, I also expect the majority of carriers to be in a status of "delivering update" by mid-October at the latest.
Of course, I also believe that Samsung Focus users on AT&T will probably not receive the update until mid-2012 (still waiting for 7392 here), so in that sense I guess both extremes of the prediction scale are correct.

After reading and watching a lot of the Mango previews around the web I was surprised when I realized that even after iOS 5 was announced, and even comparing Mango to the current state of Android, that Mango is incredibly relevant and probably will be when launched -- hopefully with new hardware. Usually software announcements this far ahead of time really become dated quickly, but most of the features added really bring a lot of parity to Windows Phone.

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Why haven't you used one of the workarounds? Worked perfectly fine on my phone. Took all of five minutes.

It was a pretty good review of what's coming and I really look forward to it.
I just hope with 500+ features there is not 500 bugs to go with them....

tiny17 said:
Why haven't you used one of the workarounds? Worked perfectly fine on my phone. Took all of five minutes.
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If it were I in his position, I would respond with: because I shouldn't have to.
Microsoft promised updates, and so far have failed in delivering them in a consistent manner.
Still a huge wp7 fan, don't get me wrong. I don't ever see myself using another platform, but just being honest here.

I agree to a point, but I don't fault Microsoft for this situation. I lay all of the blame right at the feet of AT&T. Their contempt for their customers is astounding. Unfortunately I'm kind of stuck, since I have a grandfathered unlimited data plan, and jumping ship to get the same deal from Verizon before they close the door on their similar plan would incur a sizable ETF.
And, after the Chevron updater near-debacle, I'm a little gun shy of any workarounds that might speed the update process along via unsupported channels. So what's a guy to do?

[Confirmed!] pre-release Mango for developers coming today!?

Hey fellow WP7 users,
first of all, it's pure speculation, but that's what Bill Cox, Senior Director, Communications - Windows Phone Division at Microsoft tweeted a few minutes ago:
Big day for Windows Phone: Angry Birds, Epicurious, Eventful, Dictionary.com, Kik, GoWalla. And a juicy surprise for tomorrow...
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Juicy surprise? Now if a Mango ain't juicy, what else is?
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updated post. See the related blog article with instructions on how to get your developer mango pre-release right now.

Would be nice! =D. Might just be a juicy app or more announcements about o.s features...
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Nice catch! Crossing my fingers for epic stuff tomorrow!

Where is the tweet? I wanna see it with my own eyes!

mikeeam said:
Where is the tweet? I wanna see it with my own eyes!
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Here you go.. Don't know how to link it though, sorry.

I'm relieved that the surprise is not Angry Birds. Hate this game.
Hope it's mango for developers! Mango hardwares wouldn't help me either.
And thanks for the image.. not that I didn't believe, is just nice to see from your own eyes (;

i would just love if anyone would find a way to make it possible to somehow port this beta for all xda users

I spent a couple of minutes thinking about it. Would it make sense to promise a huge surprise and then reveal it to be the awaited developer pre-release of mango? This would definitely leave all non-developers behind and thus disappoint a lot of users out there. So I think the surprise will be something else. Or maybe they decided to make the pre-release available for all.

dkp1977 said:
I spent a couple of minutes thinking about it. Would it make sense to promise a huge surprise and then reveal it to be the awaited developer pre-release of mango? This would definitely leave all non-developers behind and thus disappoint a lot of users out there. So I think the surprise will be something else. Or maybe they decided to make the pre-release available for all.
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yeah but the question is which devs get it? student and pay devs or just paid devs? that's the question
I mean its a great week for microsoft. They're stepping their game up because of
DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS

Because it's a tweet from Bill Cox and not Brandon Watson I would think it's something for everyone rather than just developers. Something people have been asking for for a long time that's finally making it to WP7. I personally keep my fingers crossed for WLM as they could have it both integrated to the OS and with its own app like facebook and twitter.
All in all I don't think it's the Mango beta but rather something the average user will enjoy.

Maybe Skype?

That's what Neowin has to contribute on the topic.

or maybe for the first time MS will announce that mango will be out in july insted of fall....
first time before the scheduled date...

freudator said:
Maybe Skype?
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no way,because skype with what? all the currently devices don't have front facing camera...

I may over interprete his statement, but Mr. Cox explicitly said juicy surprise. So if they are not going to announce Fruit Ninja 2 or something similar, I have no idea what besides Mango they could mean.

Interpretation
1) i hope. they release mango for all. this would be the perfect surprise like steve jobs when he is shows a new iphone in the end of a presantation a new iphone.
2) they release mango earlyer. the pre versions in the videos are very smooth.
3) they release mango to the developers
or only juiced ninja would be free for a day.....
time will tell

Well, it's not speculation anymore. See this.

Get the 7.1 beta 2 dev tools that allow Mango deployment here:
http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=26648
Note, you need to be a registered AppHub developer to put Mango on your retail phone.
EDIT: You MUST uninstall the 7.1 beta 1 dev tools before installing beta 2. This just took me around 20 minutes on a Core 2 Duo, so carry on reading more juicy Mango info while that's happening

It's awesome! Omg, cant wait to taste Mango!
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Wait wait.. just noticed that now.. retail device?
So it will not work with my unlocked Trophy 7?!

I meant normal phones (carrier locked/unbranded/unlocked).
AFAIK there's nothing in the release notes or the blog post that suggests unlocked devices won't be compatible with this build

Windows Phone Mango released to manufacturing (RTM)

Seems Microsoft is moving full steam ahead we have RTM!!!http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-7-mango-released-to-manufacturers-in-carrier-testing/

rruffman said:
Seems Microsoft is moving full steam ahead we have RTM!!!http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-7-mango-released-to-manufacturers-in-carrier-testing/
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a subject already exist http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1170721&page=2
but great news for us

Well yeah at the end of August we will see the first new phones, but Microsoft always said that consumers will get Mango in the fall.
So it's nice to hear they have RTM'd, but September is already fall and with carrier testing and OEM testing I doubt will get it earlier.

slimshady322 said:
Well yeah at the end of August we will see the first new phones, but Microsoft always said that consumers will get Mango in the fall.
So it's nice to hear they have RTM'd, but September is already fall and with carrier testing and OEM testing I doubt will get it earlier.
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we can hope that got it earlier
http://www.wpcentral.com/ATT-dell-venue-pro-not-shipping-till-8-30-getting-mango-speculation

"fall" is only two months away, as of tomorrow. Just to keep things in perspective.
It seems reasonable to expect the testing and certification by phone manufacturers and carriers to take at least two months, which would be consistent with all of the timelines that have been "leaked" over the past few months. Many rumors indicated that Mango would RTM in July (which it has), and that new Mango-equipped hardware would begin to hit retailers by late August/early September (which also appears to be accurate - remember, no one ever said they would be available worldwide at that time).
Add in another month to complete manufacturer/carrier testing for existing devices, and deal with the logistical issues around preparing for the distribution, and people on reasonable carriers could easily start seeing the update on their phones in early October. People on AT&T will probably see it by June of next year.

Already reported by Microsoft themselves that Windows Phone 7 Mango has not RTM'd yet. Which is good IMO, because I'd rather them work on it as much as possible.

prjkthack said:
Already reported by Microsoft themselves that Windows Phone 7 Mango has not RTM'd yet. Which is good IMO, because I'd rather them work on it as much as possible.
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it is now

http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_...ws-phone-mango-released-to-manufacturing.aspx

I'm going to hope (probably in vane) that the RTM is leaked onto the internets somehow. I've had minimal dramas with the mango beta, so I'd like to get onboard with the RTM ASAP.

Demaar said:
I'm going to hope (probably in vane) that the RTM is leaked onto the internets somehow. I've had minimal dramas with the mango beta, so I'd like to get onboard with the RTM ASAP.
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how will hoping you know about the direction of wind help mango leak?!
i will hope in vain as well, but maybe we'll get lucky and it will leak out (or even be released in short order)
wasn't that new toshiba phone msft is showing today/tomorrow supposed to be running mango?

prjkthack said:
Already reported by Microsoft themselves that Windows Phone 7 Mango has not RTM'd yet. Which is good IMO, because I'd rather them work on it as much as possible.
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Well, it looks like you got more time. Only 4 days worth, but still...
Seriously, though, It seems obvious now that the code was already frozen when the original report "leaked", but that the hand-off to handset makers and operators was not complete. Now it is.
So, we are still on track (barring ridiculous manufacturer/carrier delays) to see people actually receive the update by late September/early October. And, if Nokia does have hardware ready to go (which seems evident), we may see Mango-equipped new phone models very quickly.

kinda news ?
i was expecting more today, like a NEW mango finalized device displayed somewhere..
is this only a rtm announcement ?
anyone know if there will be a 2 stage release to end users like nodo had to make carriers actually push updates to phones ?
...waiting for some hard news...

I'm hoping that I'll connect to Zune soon and see that an update is available. I'd like full Twitter integration in my Mango.

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anyone know if there will be a 2 stage release to end users like nodo had to make carriers actually push updates to phones ?
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I'm not sure what you're asking. All WP7 updates go through a certification process with both handset manufacturers and mobile operators. But neither of those entities "push" the updates to phones. Update delivery only happens through Microsoft (i.e., Zune).
So, what is happening now is that the other companies involved have received their copies of Mango for final testing and sign-off. They had likely already received earlier builds, so they could begin development of new features and/or apps (thanks to all of the new capabilities they might want to capitalize on), but now the clock is ticking on them. They complete the sign-off, send back to Microsoft any modifications they have made specific to their hardware or mobile service, and then Microsoft combines those into various bundles that ultimately get delivered to our phones.
The one exception to that rule is unbranded phones, which will probably receive the update before carrier-branded ones, since there is only one level of sign-off needed before the update can be made available.
The big question is whether Microsoft will be able to apply more pressure to carriers (especially AT&T) to sign-off in a timely manner. On this issue, let's just say that I have my doubts.
Out of curiosity, did we ever get a notice of the specific date that NoDo went RTM? I don't recall seeing one. Maybe the fact that Microsoft is being so vocal this time around is part of their plan to "motivate" carriers.

This is fantastic. Like others Im hoping someone leaks the latest build so XDA members can get their fingers dirty.

RoboDad said:
I'm not sure what you're asking. All WP7 updates go through a certification process with both handset manufacturers and mobile operators. But neither of those entities "push" the updates to phones. Update delivery only happens through Microsoft (i.e., Zune).
So, what is happening now is that the other companies involved have received their copies of Mango for final testing and sign-off. They had likely already received earlier builds, so they could begin development of new features and/or apps (thanks to all of the new capabilities they might want to capitalize on), but now the clock is ticking on them. They complete the sign-off, send back to Microsoft any modifications they have made specific to their hardware or mobile service, and then Microsoft combines those into various bundles that ultimately get delivered to our phones.
The one exception to that rule is unbranded phones, which will probably receive the update before carrier-branded ones, since there is only one level of sign-off needed before the update can be made available.
The big question is whether Microsoft will be able to apply more pressure to carriers (especially AT&T) to sign-off in a timely manner. On this issue, let's just say that I have my doubts.
Out of curiosity, did we ever get a notice of the specific date that NoDo went RTM? I don't recall seeing one. Maybe the fact that Microsoft is being so vocal this time around is part of their plan to "motivate" carriers.
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i don't know how to be more clear with my question.
i can't see att caring about what microsoft says about signing off. they aren't exactly pushing wp products, and could care less about an update that will -not- sell another contract/phone to existing customers. an iphone hardware update on the other hand, oh yes yes yes, they love that stuff.
i did see a couple of blog posts (via my android news aggregator) stating that there would be a mango hardware unveil today, along with the rtm statement. apparently, bloggers jumped the gun, again.
the rtm statement is really a non-news worthy event. "we released something to someone, so sometime soon you might have a something for your phone. maybe." really that's all it is.
now HARDWARE... that's something i can understand there being threads and news about. say, searay or whatever the supposed new SHIPPING device is, that's news.
anyway, back to my jonesing for new tech... maybe endgadget or someone has some cool news... rss update time

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i can't see att caring about what microsoft says about signing off. they aren't exactly pushing wp products
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Pushing products in a store and pushing updates to existing phones have nothing to do with each other. So I still don't understand your original question about carriers pushing the update to our phones. They don't push the update, Microsoft does.

Microsoft: The delivery of Mango is now in the hands of handset makers

Peter Wissinger, the director for Microsoft’s Mobile Business Group in the Nordic countries, has made an “official” statement about the delivery handsets running Mango, saying the software was completed ahead of schedule.
He writes (translated)
Official statement: Now it’s up to our manufacturing partners to release mangos to our customers. Microsoft has delivered complete mango earlier than planned to the manufacturers. Feels good now.
It’s good to see a re-invigorated Microsoft who not only meet their ship targets but exceeds then, a far cry from the slow pace we were used to in the Windows Mobile days.
The statement may mean either we will see devices early than expected, such as the Fujitsu IS12T next week, or that some devices may come over a longer period, rather than all at once like last year.
The former is however more likely, as most Windows Phones are in need of being replaced in the market with new devices with improved specs, so I still expect we will see a good bunch of new Windows Phones released over the next few months.
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colossus_r said:
Peter Wissinger, the director for Microsoft’s Mobile Business Group in the Nordic countries, has made an “official” statement about the delivery handsets running Mango, saying the software was completed ahead of schedule.
He writes (translated)
Official statement: Now it’s up to our manufacturing partners to release mangos to our customers. Microsoft has delivered complete mango earlier than planned to the manufacturers. Feels good now.
It’s good to see a re-invigorated Microsoft who not only meet their ship targets but exceeds then, a far cry from the slow pace we were used to in the Windows Mobile days.
The statement may mean either we will see devices early than expected, such as the Fujitsu IS12T next week, or that some devices may come over a longer period, rather than all at once like last year.
The former is however more likely, as most Windows Phones are in need of being replaced in the market with new devices with improved specs, so I still expect we will see a good bunch of new Windows Phones released over the next few months.
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we're
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpFg52bpzZM&feature=related
doomed...

domineus said:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpFg52bpzZM&feature=related
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LOL ..Yes ..some operators have big problems on delivering the update...

What about those who have unbranded devices ?

Extreme boy said:
What about those who have unbranded devices ?
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Same question. Were supposed to get it from Microsoft, right?

Everyone will get it from Microsoft (via Zune). But no one will get it until the manufacturers deliver their device-specific updates back to Microsoft, so they can create the different device delivery bundles.
If your phone is unbranded, you should not have to wait for the carrier-specific updates to be sent back to MS, which is where most of the delay usually comes from.

Check your zune software for updates.......

Has everyone started getting mango updates from zune now??

How about HTC?

Purple11 said:
Has everyone started getting mango updates from zune now??
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nope
Sent from my T8788 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App

Not yet ..only problem with htc marketplace seems can't update my since connection setup since yesterday.Can't download from them alsnly Zune marketplace possible to download.

Zune 4.8 official update is now available

Extreme boy said:
Zune 4.8 official update is now available
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Yup it is.. im downloading

how did you all get that 4.8.I went to their site it's only 4.7.

I just download the new zune 4.8 fromtheir site<i would like to know whether it is compatible with NODO?

Ttblondey said:
I just download the new zune 4.8 fromtheir site<i would like to know whether it is compatible with NODO?
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Yes it is. I'm running NoDo 7392 with Zune 4.8