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WP7 Today's Update "No Donuts"

Does anyone got the update on his device?
First Impressions? How long it took to install? Incompatibility Issues? Changes in system speed and stability?
Let's monitor this!
Here in Italy isn't yet arrived

It's supposed to come out today?

yeah, it was announced arriving the 07/02..... but till now nothing...

That's the rumor, the rumor was also like 9am, eastern time I believe
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the.rider1290 said:
yeah, it was announced arriving the 07/02..... but till now nothing...
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That was only a rumour. I wouldn't hold your breath for it being today

Source of rumor? I just unlocked my WP7 but it can go out the Windows if it means I get C&P and faster app launching.

by the way Microsoft assured that the will support homebrew applications in future updates, son no longer need to patch the phone...

Who knows if they'll actually follow through with it? I also doubt they'll start that initiative with this update. They got more important stuff to tend to first.

the.rider1290 said:
by the way Microsoft assured that the will support homebrew applications in future updates, son no longer need to patch the phone...
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No, they haven't.
http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-to-officially-support-homebrew-developments-on-windows-phone-7
Do no believe everything you read on the internet until you see this things -> " ", followed by a respected Microsoft employee's name.

Yeah the OP keeps throwing out false information, we might as well close that thread.
And no, the update was never "announced arriving the 07/02".

FiyaFleye said:
That's the rumor, the rumor was also like 9am, eastern time I believe
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It's 09:15, Bosnia, GMT+1, nothing yet...

Yep i also think its just a rumor. But if does turn out to be true and gets released, then hooray! Just dont hold your breath for it

if the rumors are right and they never are then 9am est is 2pm gmt so just over 5 hours. I wont hold my breath though. I hope it is right as i do get off work early on a Monday lol i'm more interested in the Nokia rumor as the wp7 is already perfect for me so i'm more interested in keeping its future alive as i don't want to go to iPhone or BB and Android is really more suited as a tablet os imho.

Peew971 said:
Yeah the OP keeps throwing out false information, we might as well close that thread.
And no, the update was never "announced arriving the 07/02".
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OK, it was rumored but usually they are attendible when they are not changed near the effective date.
>the OP keeps throwing out false information, we might as well close that thread.
Go back playing with Barbie, that post is still helpful

I hope that this will take place in April at least. Knowing MS, I don't expect for these days

Only update we've had was to the Dev Tools, and any dates posted have only been rumours and heresay.
Till an official annoucement, we wait...

the.rider1290 said:
Go back playing with Barbie
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Yeah that's mature, this is what XDA has become.

Peew971 said:
Yeah that's mature, this is what XDA has become.
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It become nothing of bad, if you take a look to my other posts I am just trying to help users that come here and want to experiment on their devices, that thread want just to be a place where to discuss about rumors and, if it will be released, to discuss about pros and cons about the first WP7 update.
Just don't go around asking to close threads if you don't share the content.
By the way, think we are a lot that hope for this update for speed and copy/paste, so....

the.rider1290 said:
that thread want just to be a place where to discuss about rumors and, if it will be released, to discuss about pros and cons about the first WP7 update.
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No you created that thread as a place to discuss the "officially released today" update, which it's not. Then you stated that Microsoft "assured they would support homebrew applications" which is also false, which is why I wrote my post.
But never mind, I'm going back to play with Barbie since I'm the immature one.
Ciao

Calm down ladies...enough cat fighting. Its all good. If it comes out today, awesome. If it doesn't, oh well.

Mango update news, can't be all bad I suppose.

Copy from Neowin.net. If this is old news, mod pls close thread.
Today, the slew of "pre-Mango" posts began. Were you suspicious about why the sudden posting? It's because Microsoft has been giving out the build to the press ahead of the Mango Beta release, which is due to be announced within the next 24 hours.
Neowin has received multiple independent tips that the beta will be made available for all devices through the MSDN Create hub for those with developer accounts, on June 22/23, with Microsoft set to make the announcement sometime during the next 24 hours. The beta will not be restricted to "favorite" developers but will be generally available to anyone with a paid subscription, and will be able to be loaded on any of the production devices.
The timing of the claims line up, as do the legitimacy of the claims considering the amount of reviews that have just appeared. Also, if you look at multiple reviews, each one uses a different device. There aren't any Mango events worldwide for this specific launch, so we expect a release will appear on Microsoft's PressPass site soon.
Mango brings a new set of features to the platform, including IE9 support, full IM integration, performance improvements and multitasking and is expected to be released in September of this year for general availability.
Update: Neowin used multiple sources to comfirm this news. The sources used to confirm this article are reliable, and this news is not considered a rumor currently. In addition, the software giant is planning on handing out developer devices to VIP devlopers as part of the announcement.
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Seriously, if that happens, I will trave to USA to kiss Balmer's bald head!

So if you feel like it you can pay $99 to get Mango now .

Well if it's available to developers than there will be ways to install it on other phones too.
I have no idea how that's supposed to work though via the official channel. Full ROM flash?

personally i think its crap. Until someone confrims it. Joe Belfiore himself confired via twitter that they will be handing mango devices.

I've read about that on several sources too. Now if that turns out to be true I will have pre-release Mango within the next 2 days. oO Woohoo! Sadly a lot of the features won't be available right now. Like Twitter integration in the peoples hub and such. But I guess there'll be additional releases like that until Microsoft releases the final build to all customers.

@androidkiller
So joe says he will hand mango devices.. which means its crap that microsoft that will release the ROM?
theres no logic there

vangrieg said:
Well if it's available to developers than there will be ways to install it on other phones too.
I have no idea how that's supposed to work though via the official channel. Full ROM flash?
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Zune maybe... They know if you are a developer, so they can push trough a message that your phone has an update. Or maybe you have to make a request on the apphub and than it will be pushed trough zune...
Well Im trying not to get my hopes up... First see than believe

Brandon Watson from Microsoft just tweeted:
WinRumors and neowin are not correct. Press reviews of consumer features are only thing happening this week.
Well, in about 24 hours we know what is true and what not.

That's great!

dkp1977 said:
Brandon Watson from Microsoft just tweeted:
WinRumors and neowin are not correct. Press reviews of consumer features are only thing happening this week.
Well, in about 24 hours we know what is true and what not.
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Brandon also tweeted
Every developer matters. Every. Single. One. Deep breath everyone.
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The "Every. Single. One." gives me hope that there will be distribution of pre-release Mango outside that of just developer devices.

tiny17 said:
Brandon also tweeted
The "Every. Single. One." gives me hope that there will be distribution of pre-release Mango outside that of just developer devices.
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Well, maybe in his first tweet he meant, that it won't be release as soon as different sites stated it will be. We'll see.

dkp1977 said:
Well, maybe in his first tweet he meant, that it won't be release as soon as different sites stated it will be. We'll see.
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That's my thought too. The key part of his tweet to me is "this week". That means there (likely) won't be a developer release right now, but it also implies that next week there very likely could be.

dkp1977 said:
Brandon Watson from Microsoft just tweeted:
WinRumors and neowin are not correct. Press reviews of consumer features are only thing happening this week.
Well, in about 24 hours we know what is true and what not.
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Yes but a lot of site have display/demoit regular devices that are running mango build.
Last site is here...
This means that there is a rom or update out there for those regular devices !!!!
Where is it ??? I want it ????

colossus_r said:
Yes but a lot of site have display/demoit regular devices that are running mango build.
Last site is here...
This means that there is a rom or update out there for those regular devices !!!!
Where is it ??? I want it ????
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That's the demo device. Microsoft has been handing out Samsung Focus pre-loaded with Mango pre-release for reviews.

out there are also hd7 and mozart phones runing mango
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That's awesome!! Thanks for this great news

Hey guys,
Here's the new full story:
WP7: Mango beta process detailed, delay explained, new unannounced features
You can read about it in the story, but essentially whats happened is Microsoft delayed it and is still planning on releasing the update this week. Here's hoping, right?!

In depth Mango preview on Engadget

Engadget's just posted a really nice preview of Windows Phone Mango, you guys should all check it out.
Bad news? Seems like it's still slated for Q4 of this year. Kinda glad I sold my Trophy now - so much for Multitasking in March.
Anyway, good luck!
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/27/windows-phone-7-5-mango-in-depth-preview-video/

zukа said:
Engadget's just posted a really nice preview of Windows Phone Mango, you guys should all check it out.
Bad news? Seems like it's still slated for Q4 of this year. Kinda glad I sold my Trophy now - so much for Multitasking in March.
Anyway, good luck!
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/27/windows-phone-7-5-mango-in-depth-preview-video/
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q4????
er...q3 I thought since MS RTMs their OSes for OEMs between july and august with consumer reach the following fall...

I'm just going by what the article said, maybe Engadget messed up or maybe the release has been pushed back.

Awesome preview wish this update would drop soon.
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domineus said:
q4????
er...q3 I thought since MS RTMs their OSes for OEMs between july and august with consumer reach the following fall...
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It was always quite clear it will be Q4. Q3 starts in few days.

I don't believe that you people honestly believe it'll be Q-anything do you?
I call mid-2012 at least.
/wp7 fan
//realist

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I don't believe that you people honestly believe it'll be Q-anything do you?
I call mid-2012 at least.
/wp7 fan
//realist
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That's not being a realist. They've already stated this will be released this fall on countless occasions. Nokia has also already stated at least one phone will be released this year as well.
Its coming this year, and I bet they are working overtime to get this out by sept. if possible at least as an update to already circulating hardware.
Mid 2012 at least? That will likely be the newly discovered Tango update. Apollo will follow and likely tie in with Windows 8.

yeah, GREAT preview by engadget...i especially like the part where they say that 3rd party live tile support is finally coming with mango...thanks for the os awareness pals

dtboos said:
That's not being a realist. They've already stated this will be released this fall on countless occasions. Nokia has also already stated at least one phone will be released this year as well.
Its coming this year, and I bet they are working overtime to get this out by sept. if possible at least as an update to already circulating hardware.
Mid 2012 at least? That will likely be the newly discovered Tango update. Apollo will follow and likely tie in with Windows 8.
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I agree. Microsoft seems to be much more aggressive with the way Mango is being hyped this early in the development cycle. I will not be at all surprised to see phones with Mango pre-loaded, on store shelves before the end of September. And, I also expect the majority of carriers to be in a status of "delivering update" by mid-October at the latest.
Of course, I also believe that Samsung Focus users on AT&T will probably not receive the update until mid-2012 (still waiting for 7392 here), so in that sense I guess both extremes of the prediction scale are correct.

After reading and watching a lot of the Mango previews around the web I was surprised when I realized that even after iOS 5 was announced, and even comparing Mango to the current state of Android, that Mango is incredibly relevant and probably will be when launched -- hopefully with new hardware. Usually software announcements this far ahead of time really become dated quickly, but most of the features added really bring a lot of parity to Windows Phone.

RoboDad said:
still waiting for 7392 here
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Why haven't you used one of the workarounds? Worked perfectly fine on my phone. Took all of five minutes.

It was a pretty good review of what's coming and I really look forward to it.
I just hope with 500+ features there is not 500 bugs to go with them....

tiny17 said:
Why haven't you used one of the workarounds? Worked perfectly fine on my phone. Took all of five minutes.
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If it were I in his position, I would respond with: because I shouldn't have to.
Microsoft promised updates, and so far have failed in delivering them in a consistent manner.
Still a huge wp7 fan, don't get me wrong. I don't ever see myself using another platform, but just being honest here.

I agree to a point, but I don't fault Microsoft for this situation. I lay all of the blame right at the feet of AT&T. Their contempt for their customers is astounding. Unfortunately I'm kind of stuck, since I have a grandfathered unlimited data plan, and jumping ship to get the same deal from Verizon before they close the door on their similar plan would incur a sizable ETF.
And, after the Chevron updater near-debacle, I'm a little gun shy of any workarounds that might speed the update process along via unsupported channels. So what's a guy to do?

Mango update final version release date

When will it be???.
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...check with your favourite fortune-teller.....

FTC said:
...check with your favourite fortune-teller.....
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love this!
When will it be???.
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coming this fall!

September.
- Was talking to a MS guy lol, he told me .-.
Not sure if he was 100% right, but it seems like a ok time.

11.11.11, 11.11 am Pacific Time. That's what the cards say .

Peew971 said:
11.11.11, 11.11 am Pacific Time. That's what the cards say .
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Realistically November - December for users.

FTC said:
...check with your favourite fortune-teller.....
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Mmm - you can use Bing local search to find him or her
Jan Roelof

If this is question, please use "Q" or "?" in thread name.

fiinix said:
September.
- Was talking to a MS guy lol, he told me .-.
Not sure if he was 100% right, but it seems like a ok time.
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Usually August OEMs get final ver. while september and october are release dates. So it would seem quite likely that existing phones get mango...hopefully first...

i think november (xbox gets than an update too)
and the plan for mango is more cooperative with xlive just my thought o.o

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Realistically November - December for users.
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If we're being realistic, it'll be in the user's hands in early/mid 2012.
Not kidding. Mark my words.
/b-b-b-but NoDo will be here in January!
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And anyone who disagrees is setting themselves up for disappointment. Seriously, everyone's sitting here saying September, November, October, etc. These boards will be filled with raaaaage when the fall comes and Mango hasn't arrived yet. If I'm wrong I'll happily eat my words, but I'd say there's abuot a 4% chance of Mango getting here before 2012. Just watch.

We can only hope they have learned from Nodo.
The word I have heard from my source is late summer for a release, and into consumers hands sept/oct. And this was later vindicated at the MIX event.

I bet Sept, with the release of new phones. December at the latest. Any bets?
They've been pushing this thing since last year.

domineus said:
Usually August OEMs get final ver. while september and october are release dates. So it would seem quite likely that existing phones get mango...hopefully first...
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Add 3 months for us carriers to do their own testing and sounds about right..
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eric12341 said:
I wish people would stop being ignorant about this. it was only the Samsung focus that had the update issues and delays.
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Exactly. And people also need to stop pretending that Microsoft ever stated that NoDo would be released in January (or February, or March). They never did.
As for Mango, as far as I can recall, all they have ever officially said (so far) is later this year. If I had to guess, I would say that it will be available on new devices in late September / early October, and on existing devices starting in October. But, as I've said before, AT&T will be (by far) the last to approve the update. So between them and Samsung's pathetic firmware reputation, I doubt that I'll see it on my Focus before next February, if ever. Which means I will probably be looking for a new phone by November.

Glad i dont have a samsung device, my guess mango for htc will be out first

I'm perfectly ok with beta 2 until Mango is available for everybody.
Excited to see the changes between beta 2 and final.
Samsung Focus v 1.3.. so I've had 0 update troubles.
If they learned from their mistakes with Nodo, I'd expect Mango around September/October for existing and new devices.

Peew971 said:
11.11.11, 11.11 am Pacific Time. That's what the cards say .
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11.11.11., 11.11 am but MESZ, this is when the carnival season starts in Germany...

sure haven't said:
If we're being realistic, it'll be in the user's hands in early/mid 2012.
Not kidding. Mark my words.
/b-b-b-but NoDo will be here in January!
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And anyone who disagrees is setting themselves up for disappointment. Seriously, everyone's sitting here saying September, November, October, etc. These boards will be filled with raaaaage when the fall comes and Mango hasn't arrived yet. If I'm wrong I'll happily eat my words, but I'd say there's abuot a 4% chance of Mango getting here before 2012. Just watch.
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I think NoDo taught them one thing or two and I definitely think it will be this year. Reasons for that being:
- Microsoft officially said 2011 a few times
- There are new devices scheduled for release this year that will come with Mango onboard
- the new iPhone will be released this year as well as Android's Ice-cream Sandwich
- All developers are currently using Mango
My bet is November as that's when all the Fall updates have been released on the console side although they should really aim for September before the iPhone 5 is out.
That being said, since you're thinking 2012 you can only be pleasantly surprised when you get it before that

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Exactly. And people also need to stop pretending that Microsoft ever stated that NoDo would be released in January (or February, or March). They never did.
As for Mango, as far as I can recall, all they have ever officially said (so far) is later this year. If I had to guess, I would say that it will be available on new devices in late September / early October, and on existing devices starting in October. But, as I've said before, AT&T will be (by far) the last to approve the update. So between them and Samsung's pathetic firmware reputation, I doubt that I'll see it on my Focus before next February, if ever. Which means I will probably be looking for a new phone by November.
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See right there though, you're faulting speculation for the disappointment with NoDo, but then provide speculation with respect to Mango.
However you are in the same thinking as me with your AT&T thoughts.

Windows Phone Mango released to manufacturing (RTM)

Seems Microsoft is moving full steam ahead we have RTM!!!http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-7-mango-released-to-manufacturers-in-carrier-testing/

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Seems Microsoft is moving full steam ahead we have RTM!!!http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-7-mango-released-to-manufacturers-in-carrier-testing/
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a subject already exist http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1170721&page=2
but great news for us

Well yeah at the end of August we will see the first new phones, but Microsoft always said that consumers will get Mango in the fall.
So it's nice to hear they have RTM'd, but September is already fall and with carrier testing and OEM testing I doubt will get it earlier.

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Well yeah at the end of August we will see the first new phones, but Microsoft always said that consumers will get Mango in the fall.
So it's nice to hear they have RTM'd, but September is already fall and with carrier testing and OEM testing I doubt will get it earlier.
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we can hope that got it earlier
http://www.wpcentral.com/ATT-dell-venue-pro-not-shipping-till-8-30-getting-mango-speculation

"fall" is only two months away, as of tomorrow. Just to keep things in perspective.
It seems reasonable to expect the testing and certification by phone manufacturers and carriers to take at least two months, which would be consistent with all of the timelines that have been "leaked" over the past few months. Many rumors indicated that Mango would RTM in July (which it has), and that new Mango-equipped hardware would begin to hit retailers by late August/early September (which also appears to be accurate - remember, no one ever said they would be available worldwide at that time).
Add in another month to complete manufacturer/carrier testing for existing devices, and deal with the logistical issues around preparing for the distribution, and people on reasonable carriers could easily start seeing the update on their phones in early October. People on AT&T will probably see it by June of next year.

Already reported by Microsoft themselves that Windows Phone 7 Mango has not RTM'd yet. Which is good IMO, because I'd rather them work on it as much as possible.

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Already reported by Microsoft themselves that Windows Phone 7 Mango has not RTM'd yet. Which is good IMO, because I'd rather them work on it as much as possible.
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it is now

http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_...ws-phone-mango-released-to-manufacturing.aspx

I'm going to hope (probably in vane) that the RTM is leaked onto the internets somehow. I've had minimal dramas with the mango beta, so I'd like to get onboard with the RTM ASAP.

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I'm going to hope (probably in vane) that the RTM is leaked onto the internets somehow. I've had minimal dramas with the mango beta, so I'd like to get onboard with the RTM ASAP.
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how will hoping you know about the direction of wind help mango leak?!
i will hope in vain as well, but maybe we'll get lucky and it will leak out (or even be released in short order)
wasn't that new toshiba phone msft is showing today/tomorrow supposed to be running mango?

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Already reported by Microsoft themselves that Windows Phone 7 Mango has not RTM'd yet. Which is good IMO, because I'd rather them work on it as much as possible.
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Well, it looks like you got more time. Only 4 days worth, but still...
Seriously, though, It seems obvious now that the code was already frozen when the original report "leaked", but that the hand-off to handset makers and operators was not complete. Now it is.
So, we are still on track (barring ridiculous manufacturer/carrier delays) to see people actually receive the update by late September/early October. And, if Nokia does have hardware ready to go (which seems evident), we may see Mango-equipped new phone models very quickly.

kinda news ?
i was expecting more today, like a NEW mango finalized device displayed somewhere..
is this only a rtm announcement ?
anyone know if there will be a 2 stage release to end users like nodo had to make carriers actually push updates to phones ?
...waiting for some hard news...

I'm hoping that I'll connect to Zune soon and see that an update is available. I'd like full Twitter integration in my Mango.

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anyone know if there will be a 2 stage release to end users like nodo had to make carriers actually push updates to phones ?
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I'm not sure what you're asking. All WP7 updates go through a certification process with both handset manufacturers and mobile operators. But neither of those entities "push" the updates to phones. Update delivery only happens through Microsoft (i.e., Zune).
So, what is happening now is that the other companies involved have received their copies of Mango for final testing and sign-off. They had likely already received earlier builds, so they could begin development of new features and/or apps (thanks to all of the new capabilities they might want to capitalize on), but now the clock is ticking on them. They complete the sign-off, send back to Microsoft any modifications they have made specific to their hardware or mobile service, and then Microsoft combines those into various bundles that ultimately get delivered to our phones.
The one exception to that rule is unbranded phones, which will probably receive the update before carrier-branded ones, since there is only one level of sign-off needed before the update can be made available.
The big question is whether Microsoft will be able to apply more pressure to carriers (especially AT&T) to sign-off in a timely manner. On this issue, let's just say that I have my doubts.
Out of curiosity, did we ever get a notice of the specific date that NoDo went RTM? I don't recall seeing one. Maybe the fact that Microsoft is being so vocal this time around is part of their plan to "motivate" carriers.

This is fantastic. Like others Im hoping someone leaks the latest build so XDA members can get their fingers dirty.

RoboDad said:
I'm not sure what you're asking. All WP7 updates go through a certification process with both handset manufacturers and mobile operators. But neither of those entities "push" the updates to phones. Update delivery only happens through Microsoft (i.e., Zune).
So, what is happening now is that the other companies involved have received their copies of Mango for final testing and sign-off. They had likely already received earlier builds, so they could begin development of new features and/or apps (thanks to all of the new capabilities they might want to capitalize on), but now the clock is ticking on them. They complete the sign-off, send back to Microsoft any modifications they have made specific to their hardware or mobile service, and then Microsoft combines those into various bundles that ultimately get delivered to our phones.
The one exception to that rule is unbranded phones, which will probably receive the update before carrier-branded ones, since there is only one level of sign-off needed before the update can be made available.
The big question is whether Microsoft will be able to apply more pressure to carriers (especially AT&T) to sign-off in a timely manner. On this issue, let's just say that I have my doubts.
Out of curiosity, did we ever get a notice of the specific date that NoDo went RTM? I don't recall seeing one. Maybe the fact that Microsoft is being so vocal this time around is part of their plan to "motivate" carriers.
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i don't know how to be more clear with my question.
i can't see att caring about what microsoft says about signing off. they aren't exactly pushing wp products, and could care less about an update that will -not- sell another contract/phone to existing customers. an iphone hardware update on the other hand, oh yes yes yes, they love that stuff.
i did see a couple of blog posts (via my android news aggregator) stating that there would be a mango hardware unveil today, along with the rtm statement. apparently, bloggers jumped the gun, again.
the rtm statement is really a non-news worthy event. "we released something to someone, so sometime soon you might have a something for your phone. maybe." really that's all it is.
now HARDWARE... that's something i can understand there being threads and news about. say, searay or whatever the supposed new SHIPPING device is, that's news.
anyway, back to my jonesing for new tech... maybe endgadget or someone has some cool news... rss update time

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i don't know how to be more clear with my question.
i can't see att caring about what microsoft says about signing off. they aren't exactly pushing wp products
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Pushing products in a store and pushing updates to existing phones have nothing to do with each other. So I still don't understand your original question about carriers pushing the update to our phones. They don't push the update, Microsoft does.