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Hey folks,
I've become increasingly concerned with the mods of our forum.
Two kernel projects have been stickied while the americanandroid 35 kernel thread is not nor has tytungs kernel. One of the currently stickied is even essentially a branch of the 35 project that marc1706 (good buddy) began expanding.
As for another issue, the stickied list of roms / kernels thread etc has never included AmeriCanAndroid even weeks after it was brought to the OPs attention. We feel that ignoring our request to be included on the list has partially steered away potential users.
If a mod can rectify these issues it would be awesome.
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warrenb213 said:
Hey folks,
I've become increasingly concerned with the mods of our forum.
Two kernel projects have been stickied while the americanandroid 35 kernel thread is not nor has tytungs kernel. One of the currently stickied is even essentially a branch of the 35 project that marc1706 (good buddy) began expanding.
As for another issue, the stickied list of roms / kernels thread etc has never included AmeriCanAndroid even weeks after it was brought to the OPs attention. We feel that ignoring our request to be included on the list has partially steered away potential users.
If a mod can rectify these issues it would be awesome.
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A pm to forum mods and if required senior mod would have been more appropriate i guess, but since the thread is here now, i guess yeah, the sticky threads should be revised before being accepted as sticky ? or some form of public vote instead of sole admin/mod decision ?
Rick_1995 said:
A pm to forum mods and if required senior mod would have been more appropriate i guess, but since the thread is here now, i guess yeah, the sticky threads should be revised before being accepted as sticky ? or some form of public vote instead of sole admin/mod decision ?
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Or perhaps a kernel subforum with no stickies? Only reason I didn't pm a mod is because I'm on my phone so I can't get to the mod list....that and because I'm pretty sure at some point a mod saw two posts by me asking for this fair treatment in a couple of these threads as did the OP of the roms /kernel list as I was responded to by that OP without rectifying the issue.
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I remember when a person from your team totally raged at me because your rom wasn't added to my compilation thread.. I had clearly written that people could PM me if they wanted their roms in my list..
Now this ? If you want your kernel stickied, PM a moderator. We can't expect everything to just happen, we must participate ourselves.
+ remember, there are 40+ roms and many kernels out there, so a mod could have easily have missed seeing your kernel thread.
btw, this should be in Q&A
btw 2. tytungs kernel has been stickied.. and it is included in most of the roms.. so if people wants it, it shouldn't be so hard to find it.
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My compilation thread is stickied, so if people are looking for kernels, they can find yours in my thread
yz.hd said:
I remember when a person from your team totally raged at me because your rom wasn't added to my compilation thread.. I had clearly written that people could PM me if they wanted their roms in my list..
Now this ? If you want your kernel stickied, PM a moderator. We can't expect everything to just happen, we must participate ourselves.
+ remember, there are 40+ roms and many kernels out there, so a mod could have easily have missed seeing your kernel thread.
btw, this should be in Q&A
btw 2. tytungs kernel has been stickied.. and it is included in most of the roms.. so if people wants it, it shouldn't be so hard to find it.
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My compilation thread is stickied, so if people are looking for kernels, they can find yours in my thread
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It was me yz, and I didn't rage I more like pointed it out and also made the point that the list seemed a bit redundant considering the nature of the forum thread lists already in existence.
I do appreciate the response.
Thanks
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warrenb213 said:
It was me yz, and I didn't rage I more like pointed it out and also made the point that the list seemed a bit redundant considering the nature of the forum thread lists already in existence.
I do appreciate the response.
Thanks
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Didn't see your thread in 1. / 2. page.. that's why I didn't include it. Sending a PM to me wouldn't be that hard.
i just think that mods are uninformed...
yz.hd said:
Didn't see your thread in 1. / 2. page.. that's why I didn't include it. Sending a PM to me wouldn't be that hard.
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Dear yz.hd, the mods are humans and can fail, but this is unfair, as was Warren starting development with the new kernel base wich is a success now, and tytungs kernel were always a big support of a huge quantity of roms, so would be good to see the work of this 2 fellas sticked too, I remember that this was already mentioned awhile back..
Its not a critic, we appreciate all the work that you guys do for us, its only a point out to improve our forums, and we now that they are huge, so is a big task, but kernel development is very important for hd2 development..
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yugoport said:
Dear yz.hd, the mods are humans and can fail, but this is unfair, as was Warren starting development with the new kernel base wich is a success now, and tytungs kernel were always a big support of a huge quantity of roms, so would be good to see the work of this 2 fellas sticked too, I remember that this was already mentioned awhile back..
Its not a critic, we appreciate all the work that you guys do for us, its only a point out to improve our forums, and we now that they are huge, so is a big task, but kernel development is very important for hd2 development..
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well, I would rather want none of the kernels to be stickied then.. A lot of good kernels out there. If people wants to install a kernel, they can search.. or check the compilation thread.
Would be unfair (as it is now) if a kernel gets stickied, an one doesn't.. (I understand you)
BUT warrenb haven't PM'ed a mod. We can't expect the mods to read all the post that are being posted. That would just be wrong.
I'm going to be controversial here and say that the mods are fully aware that certain kernels are being stickied. In fact, NRGZ has stickied the SBryan Kernel even though it was queried as to why that should be stickied as important and others such as Marc's/Warrens and Tytungs hasn't.
This is always bound to happen when you sticky certain things and not others. My personal view is that these should be in a wrap up thread like what yz.hd has created and not stickied, else you clog up the 1st page with sticky's.
This is not a slight on NRGZ as this guy is a legend in the HD2 world but this sort of argument is a consequence of poor management.
Mods please take note and give all the devs equal respect for their work.
I'll look into this. Closing the thread off. Any further issues on this should be done in PM.
In first - sorry for my english :-( so I hope you understand me.
My question is - WHY? Why is problem making one working base of ICS all together.. why is need any "permission to use" (shaky?) (i know, in this time this is not yet writed in your thread..i think). It´s same as in Linux community. ? 100devs, 100 releases?
I´m only user, but when I see this, it´s make me sad.
You all makes very good job in your ROMs. I hope that you fix all remains problems (data, wifi, camera, etc..)
Ehm.. this is only my personal question, if you won´t answer, it will be OK.
For all: good luck!
Good luck with replies
@danvo01 If you own a "tin hat" I would put it on now.
So this question is for shaky??
You can't compare building from source code and porting a leaked, already compiled rom from another device
Sent from my ICS!!!
Move your thread to Q&A. And stop asking questions, in DEV section lol, as something like this will force the moderator to do some work.
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@djolebih:
you don´t understand me. this question is to devs. One has "permission...." another afraid that someone tell - it´s his stolen work.. But - all use leaked versions (i think those with Sense) So I think better is COOPERATION. This is what I want. COOPERATION, not answers why not.
@LorD ClockaN: I think, versions with Sense are all leaked. My question is primarily to Shaky, but all. Devs which building ROMS from source code are OK. Specially my congrats to your work, LorD Clockan!!
@ Furrycup: this really doesnt need comment. you absolute don´t understand my question.
Dude it's a question and it certainly has absolutely nothing to do with developing since there is NOTHING useful in your post for developers or developing in general. I'm giving you a friendly advice before mods see the thread and ban you from posting anywhere. Stop trolling.
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Cooperation, so to speak, is a tremendously hard concept to implement ANYWHERE, with any project. Now, I'm not saying No one is going to cooperate with one another, but everyone has their OWN ideas that they want to do with a project.
It will take ten times as long if everyone got together and wanted to implement every single one of their ideas into every single build. Not only length of time, the SIZE of each build would more than likely be enormous.
The devs here know that if they need help, they can ask each other. I'm assuming they all know that. But they all want to do their own work, and implement their own ideas, each bringing their own ROM to the public.
Hopefully this helps.
P.S.- Post in the Q&A Forum
EDIT: @djolebih He's not trolling. He didn't know. Chill out on him, I guarantee that when YOU started out, whether it be on XDA or some other forum, that YOU were a noob and had no idea what to do or where to post. Cut him some slack. I'm pretty sure it doesn't say "Forum Moderator" under your name, so leave that to the real moderators.
First and foremost, this is a question. Please create all question threads in the Q&A section. Q&A stands for Questions & Answers (incase you didn't know )
Second, I understand your question. Basically "Why can't we all share without restriction?"
See the thing is, we should. XDA was based on sharing, ideas initially, then things progressed with technology to where we are today. We have "competing" development teams, which is no bad thing.
What these developers & teams want is recognition of their efforts, that is all. They spend days tweaking this, fixing that & testing. They then upload their "work" to share with the community.
What they don't want is for another "dev" or "team" to come along and take the work and rebrand it as their own. Something which can be done in an hour or so.
Some are happy for you to use their "work" just as long as you ask them first. It is common courtesy to ask to use something before you use it. That applies to almost everything in life. "If it ain't yours, ask".
Now you highlight Shaky156 as an example, but you fail to give a balanced picture.
Where in Shaky156's post does it say (I'll even use his trademark RED)
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES ARE YOU ALLOWED TO USE THIS ROM AS A BASE FOR YOUR OWN
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It doesn't, he did state that. "You could not use it without permission." or words to that effect. Again common courtesy.
I hope I've explained things a little for you, and not taught the majority to "suck eggs" as it were.
Feel free to respond, just do so in a calm and thought out manner, no-one wants to argue.
thanks
HTC_Phone said:
Cooperation, so to speak, is a tremendously hard concept to implement ANYWHERE, with any project. Now, I'm not saying No one is going to cooperate with one another, but everyone has their OWN ideas that they want to do with a project.
It will take ten times as long if everyone got together and wanted to implement every single one of their ideas into every single build. Not only length of time, the SIZE of each build would more than likely be enormous.
The devs here know that if they need help, they can ask each other. I'm assuming they all know that. But they all want to do their own work, and implement their own ideas, each bringing their own ROM to the public.
Hopefully this helps.
P.S.- Post in the Q&A Forum
EDIT: @djolebih He's not trolling. He didn't know. Chill out on him, I guarantee that when YOU started out, whether it be on XDA or some other forum, that YOU were a noob and had no idea what to do or where to post. Cut him some slack. I'm pretty sure it doesn't say "Forum Moderator" under your name, so leave that to the real moderators.
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..thank for your answer... This is reply to my question. Really thanks. I understand that every one has his own ideas. For this I wrote "working base" in my question. Base only. More devs, more power, faster fixes. And all over it can be his own work.
PS: your PS to djolebih I don´t undestand so I will translate it, but I think you are right
@andyharney: uff this is too much english to me :-( I will translate.. but:
in my question I wrote "working base" you know? BASE only. I accept their hard work. Really. But for base- as i said: more devs, more power, faster fixes..
I know you said base. But if that base was from a RUU from another device, a device that had different specs and needed to be resized. To even get it to a "base" state for our or any other device still takes a lot of work.
If your simply cooking from a stock HTC RUU then no real development is needed. Just theming & tweaking.
OK Andy..i see that this question is my wrong.. I understand all problems. But both groups have same problems with data, WiFi,camera..etc. I only want cooperation between. As when zbwu makes fix to camera for all.
In linux community is it same. If bsd unix can be base to top OS as osx is, linux can be perfect too.but as i said...100 devs, 100 releases..
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This thread is about discussing ROMs, mostly reviewing, giving opinions and else. ~~~~~~~~~~~
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE BOTHERED BY READING ALL TEXT BELOW, GO TO 2nd POST!
TO SIMPLY UNDERSTAND AND COMPREHEND THIS THREAD
SO YOU MAY BECOME IMPORTANT PART OF THIS DISCUSSION BY GIVING REVIEWS AND OPINIONS!
Hello Guys,
Many people using Android handset confused about making decision on which ROM they will be using for daily activities...
Before flashing they may take a look at others' reviews. The opinions about the ROM are usually posted under ROMs thread, so users can make better judgement before install it depending on what they want it to be. But on some cases, the reviews may not be perfectly honest sometimes on new developed ROMs which have a lot of bugs to at least appreciate the developers, and someone who've tested would rather say honestly in PMs. It's obliously pretty difficult for us to decide whether it's good enough or not. But sometimes, even new, they are good. Happens when the testers make complete review in posts of the ROM's thread.
Hail Open Source, Android lovers!
That is normal, so the users would trust the developers capability. If the bugs are clearly said in the thread, we still can assume that we need opinions. Because every person might say different about something. Nice screenshots aren't enough. In regular ROM thread, we have to search for opinions. No way every posts contained opinions.
Summary, most of the issues which have been said above just happened if the ROMs are still in development. Of course we could undoubtedly trust the proven ones. Issues that have been said above are mostly about newly developed ROMs.
So, to simplify searching and observing the ROMs (mostly the new-developed), we are making this thread. That's what we want to find here and discuss.
You are INVITED here to make reviews about ROM you are using with guides about what to flash and install or with another third party support to make it perfect enough.
Before Starting. . .
There are some points you should know about this thread: ~~~~~~~~~~~
~This thread is made for sharing about ROMs so people could know how and what to do to get a stable, smooth, and suitable ROMs for specific needs of every person. (Customized, Performance-boosted, etc)
~ YOU ARE INVITED to post your experience about specific ROMs in the compilation, and things that might boost performance which added, like Kernels, Fixes or maybe Scripts. But you may suggest unlisted ROM to be published. The post mainly talks about ROMs and the added things like boost are just for supporting the ROMs' capability. YOUR POSTS will be posted below the compilation of ROMs listed (if attractive and important enough, may contained information guides, etc.) The compilation may be limited (it will not be as much as regular compilation of ROMs because it just is including ROMs of Most Users. No kernels. Nothing other than ROMs.) Opinions could be helping. Explanation required. Posted updated at a period of time.
~Before posting, you are expected to read the rules and understand it. Then implement when posting. We expect your obedience for the neatness of the thread.
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Here are the basic rules, additions will be added if necessary:
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»»» Please post facts, so people will not confuse whether it's real or not. «««
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»»» Opinions are the major main problem expected by many people, so don't hesitate yourself by not saying it. It won't be considered spamming at all, we need THIS to be stickied! «««
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Our object of discussion is. . . Gio!
Gio, as middle devices, has gotten upgrade from Froyo to Gingerbread, and the ported developed ICS rom still seems pretty difficult to be used for daily activities because the problems of camera, and else...
Example, the Cyan9.0, people who want to install it may not know if the camera is not working if they miss the detailed bugs. And because of reading reviews the may know it well. Even though after knowing they might install without any hesitation. But overall, the ROM is perfect enough in stability and everyone has been using it.
And still, this device has many ways in order to make good performance for various user needs.
So? So? So? !?
Let's share all things to make the handset stable and smooth!
REVIEWS AND OPINIONS
Basically we're helping each other to build better ROM.
Because even a genius needs others' helps. . .
So why don't we help if we could.
So let's get started by the compilation.
Here are what the most users would have:
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Hey guys, I've sifted through a few topics trying to figure out a concise state of the state our ICS leaks are in right now - no offense to anyone posting in them, but they haven't really been helpful. Can someone just give me a broad overview of what's going on with the recent ICS leaks?
Particular interests:
What core functionality (camera/GPS/Wifi/4G/etc) is not working or requires deliberate action to work (ex: apparently you need to have a GPS lock before flashing to ICS?)
What ICS-specific functionality (chrome/theming/etc) still isn't functioning properly on our phone that's stood out to you?
Outside of the general risks of flashing rooted pre-release kernels, what other specific threats (ex: EMMC lockup) exist now for flashing to some of the dev-released ICS kernels?
In your personal opinion: are the ICS builds we have now stable enough to be considered daily drivers, or is something OTA-worthy a while away?
I know it's a lot to ask, but it would be really helpful to me (and would probably be worth a big post or sticky in the general forum). Thanks guys.
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Hey guys, I've sifted through a few topics trying to figure out a concise state of the state our ICS leaks are in right now - no offense to anyone posting in them, but they haven't really been helpful. Can someone just give me a broad overview of what's going on with the recent ICS leaks?
Particular interests:
What core functionality (camera/GPS/Wifi/4G/etc) is not working or requires deliberate action to work (ex: apparently you need to have a GPS lock before flashing to ICS?)
What ICS-specific functionality (chrome/theming/etc) still isn't functioning properly on our phone that's stood out to you?
Outside of the general risks of flashing rooted pre-release kernels, what other specific threats (ex: EMMC lockup) exist now for flashing to some of the dev-released ICS kernels?
In your personal opinion: are the ICS builds we have now stable enough to be considered daily drivers, or is something OTA-worthy a while away?
I know it's a lot to ask, but it would be really helpful to me (and would probably be worth a big post or sticky in the general forum). Thanks guys.
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Its really a crap shoot depending on what you flash....if you want basic daily driver, go with the fe22 one click from sfhub. Its stock ics, 4.04, rooted. That's it. Everything works fine.
Most TW based roms have an issue where 4g makes your phone reboot. Doesn't happen to all, but its a known bug.
EMMC is an issue with roms so always flash from el26 kernel+cw.
I never had an issue with GPS, but again others have. If you have one, get a lock on el29 then proceed to flash properly to ics.
Basically if you have been on GB this whole time, it really won't hurt to wait for the official release. All the roms and kernels will be redone at that time anyways. Personally I have loved the following ics roms: agats rom, Frankenstein rom, and aokp/cm9. They're just very different and offer different benefits.
And there is some theming for ics TW builds, just not a lot as I think the themers got tired of all the release updates they had to do.
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daniel4653 said:
Why did you post this? When you only have 6 posts?
READ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thanks for your helpful reply to my question. If you would have bothered to look at my profile, despite the fact that I only have 6 posts (as I'm not a developer and don't have a whole lot of input to make), I've been consistently reading these forums for the past six months as of today.
As I mentioned in my first post, "no offense to anyone posting in them, but [the threads in the general forum about our ICS leaks] haven't really been helpful." I can't link you to the posts in question, since jayharper08 went through and deleted pages of off-topic crap from the threads just recently, but I had spent upwards of a half hour between the search function and looking through threads trying to find up to date answers to these questions and only found pages upon pages of irrelevant off-topic discussion (again, no offense to those posting - long threads go like that sometimes).
None of the posts in the ICS leaks bug squashing thread even mention the GPS, 4G, or etc problems as significant issues - it's informative as to some problems, but it is by no means comprehensive. The Wiki for our phone isn't very updated at all. The EMMC lockup thread is very informative and up to date on that specific issue, but that's it. These (1 2 3 4 5) kernel release threads all don't make any attempt to document the bugs included, except that this one from the start of the month makes a passing mention of the notification bug.
In summary: I've done my due diligence by far before posting a question here. This information simply just hasn't been compiled in a single place for easy reference for the people it matters to - people who haven't yet taken the jump into ICS because of concerns about stability. I don't feel qualified to make that thread myself because, as you can guess by me making this post in the Q&A section, I don't know enough myself to do the topic justice. And something like this isn't easily searchable to find quality results - if you disagree, by all means, please link me to a predictable search or searches that would have told me about these bugs.
Regardless, I don't appreciate you rudely telling me in all caps to "READ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" when you apparently haven't even read the forum rules, which specifically prohibit flaming (2.3) and biting the newbies (2.5), specifically:
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Thanks dante32278 for trying to be helpful.
they work fine, I havent had any issues at all.. I dont have 4g, because im on boost.. the emmc lockup thing is a bug in the firmware not with the rom, but its a risk anyway, just avoid wiping in recovery, unless you flash to EL26.
also Facebook contact sync doesnt work on aosp roms, but thats a disagreement with google and facebook.
I'm looking for a stable 4.4 which would be as stable as possible. The reason for this is that I use my Nexus for alarm clock and it's really unpleasant if I find it in SOD when I oversleep. I don't really need so much additional features, it's a bonus though, but it's more important that it's fast and bugless.
Are there any or should I stay on Cataclysm 4.3?
Well, you can only reliably know which ROM is the most stable by trying them yourself. That's part of the culture of XDA, to try ROMs from different developers and then to give feedback on them.
As for me, I just installed the latest CM11 nightly and it seems reasonably stable. Will test the battery life and stability for a few more days after installing some apps. Will try XenonHD next if this one isn't stable enough or has poor battery life. The phone does get hot when I'm running heavy applications and games, which is the only problem I have noticed so far.
Im running the CM11 Nightlies as well and cant complain at all. Havent had any issues with any of them. I usually update every couple days to the latest nightly.
If it's just using the device as an alarm, then CM11 nightlies would be quite enough. I've been using my own GNex as an alarm too.
Sent from Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE @ CM11
I've read through several ROM threads that a lot of them have have slowdowns and lags. Is that also the case for CM11? How about other CM based ROMs, like CM-remix?
Can't say much about other roms (aside from CM i've only ever tried AOKP jb-mr2 briefly), i'm on CM11 M2 right now and i can say it's smooth and has no hiccups and lags - much better than stock 4.3 and cm10.2 which i had beforehand.
I'm also using the device as an alarm clock and it works well.
Seriously? How many times do people have to be told that threads like this are against XDA rules. If you want a stable rom then try some roms out yourself and decide what you prefer for yourself. This is a development community meant for people that want to take the initiative to learn and do for themselves not a place for people to have others do their work for them.
Do some reading and you'll surely find the answers you seek.
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I'm looking for a stable 4.4 which would be as stable as possible.
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me too. cant find anything. CM blows, pa has graphics glitches and vanir gives me reboots.
tried em all and they all seem to suck.
4.3 is waaaay smoother for me.
a stock 4.4.2 build would be great.
if anyone finds any decent roms + a good 4.4 kernel (Franco/Faux) or two let me know.
Nephilim, sorry, I thought that it's forbidden to open only general ROM comparison threads, but I'm asking only for the ideas of pretty specific needs. You could also take this thread as a discussion if 4.4 ROMs in general are really stable enough for everyday use.
Not all of us have time to test every build of every ROM, because it would take a bit too much. That's why we have a community here to ask others for their opinion and experiences. At least that's how I imagine it, but of course, I might be wrong.
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not a place for people to have others do their work for them
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what is your problem anyway ?
since when is illegal to ask for some information ? i was also curious for some information about custom roms and i stumbled upon the same message from you several times
if i ask for any useful information.....am i automatically a lazy who prefers to have others do my work ?
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what is your problem anyway ?
since when is illegal to ask for some information ? i was also curious for some information about custom roms and i stumbled upon the same message from you several times
if i ask for any useful information.....am i automatically a lazy who prefers to have others do my work ?
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No it isnt illegal. But these threads are pointless... There is no best ROM so these threads will never be solved/answered. And the devs work hard to build a ROM and then some people in a thread will tell him his ROM sucks and the other one is better.. Its personal preference anyway. And every ROM is stable otherwise they wouldnt be released on xda (except when told otherwise or in beta etc.). Thats the whole point. There are tons of these threads. They are just useless. Just try out a ROM and if it suits your needs be happy and thank the developer and if you arent just move on to the next one.
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mrgnex said:
No it isnt illegal. But these threads are pointless... There is no best ROM so these threads will never be solved/answered. And the devs work hard to build a ROM and then some people in a thread will tell him his ROM sucks and the other one is better.. Its personal preference anyway. And every ROM is stable otherwise they wouldnt be released on xda (except when told otherwise or in beta etc.). Thats the whole point. There are tons of these threads. They are just useless. Just try out a ROM and if it suits your needs be happy and thank the developer and if you arent just move on to the next one.
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acknowledged, thank you
iconicpaul said:
what is your problem anyway ?
since when is illegal to ask for some information ? i was also curious for some information about custom roms and i stumbled upon the same message from you several times
if i ask for any useful information.....am i automatically a lazy who prefers to have others do my work ?
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My problem is that if you aren't willing to put in the work and try roms yourself you have no business on a development forum. Asking others is just looking for someone else to do the work for you. Threads like this are basically spam because any info you need can be found in the threads made for each rom. If you are asking in a thread like this you are definitely lazy because you obviously dont want to put in the effort of finding the information by reading the rom threads. Mrgnex pretty much said the rest.
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My problem is that if you aren't willing to put in the work and try roms yourself you have no business on a development forum. Asking others is just looking for someone else to do the work for you. Threads like this are basically spam because any info you need can be found in the threads made for each rom. If you are asking in a thread like this you are definitely lazy because you obviously dont want to put in the effort of finding the information by reading the rom threads. Mrgnex pretty much said the rest.
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I'd fully agree with your comments, IF this thread was posted in development section, but it's not, it's in the GENERAL section.
So I don't see why NORMAL users(AKA non-flashaholics) can't freely discuss which ROM they prefer, regardless of stability.
BTW
I've tried out a lot of different/newer ROM's from 4.1 to 4.4.2 yet every time I've still went back to using PA 4.1.2 for over a year now, since no other ROM have the exact same great features I enjoy using daily.
Also I don't see why any Developer would really care if certain people dislike their ROM's, seeing as the whole reason they created one would be because they disliked the other ROM's available and wanted to build one them selves to their liking, many using the same features from other developers, just with their own tweaks.
Which is what I'm thinking I'll have learn to do since every ROM I've tested has some feature that's just not working as I'd like.
You suggesting every user go and test out every ROM just means there will be more individual threads created complaining about every ROM they flash/test.
So don't you think it's better to have 1 or 2 main ROM version threads in the GENERAL section to DISCUSS different individual Rom's in the GENERAL matter?
In other words if you don't really have anything to help out in the thread topic/discussion then just don't view it.
I personally enjoy reading about what others have to say, likely saving me time and headache from having to test out every Rom's myself.
I very much doubt there would be as many Rom's available as there are today if nobody discussed them.
Wasn't that the whole point of having an open sourced android OS?
isajoo said:
I'd fully agree with your comments, IF this thread was posted in development section, but it's not, it's in the GENERAL section.
So I don't see why NORMAL users(AKA non-flashaholics) can't freely discuss which ROM they prefer, regardless of stability.
BTW
I've tried out a lot of different/newer ROM's from 4.1 to 4.4.2 yet every time I've still went back to using PA 4.1.2 for over a year now, since no other ROM have the exact same great features I enjoy using daily.
Also I don't see why any Developer would really care if certain people dislike their ROM's, seeing as the whole reason they created one would be because they disliked the other ROM's available and wanted to build one them selves to their liking, many using the same features from other developers, just with their own tweaks.
Which is what I'm thinking I'll have learn to do since every ROM I've tested has some feature that's just not working as I'd like.
You suggesting every user go and test out every ROM just means there will be more individual threads created complaining about every ROM they flash/test.
So don't you think it's better to have 1 or 2 main ROM version threads in the GENERAL section to DISCUSS different individual Rom's in the GENERAL matter?
In other words if you don't really have anything to help out in the thread topic/discussion then just don't view it.
I personally enjoy reading about what others have to say, likely saving me time and headache from having to test out every Rom's myself.
I very much doubt there would be as many Rom's available as there are today if nobody discussed them.
Wasn't that the whole point of having an open sourced android OS?
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First of all, threads like this would not be constantly deleted by Senior Moderators if they were allowed. Next, I never once said that everyone should go and try every rom. I said that people need to go to the rom threads and READ, if the rom seems like something they would like to try then they should flash it, if not move onto another rom. Next, after flashing the said rom they are trying they can READ the thread pertaining to said rom to find answers to their questions.
You see where I am going here?
There is NO REASON for threads like this. All the information anyone could need can be found in the rom threads. If an individual needs to make a thread like this it just says that they are too lazy to read all the information that is already provided in multiple threads, available to everyone. If you want to discuss a rom then make a community on Google+, I already have done the same. This site is called XDA Developers. If you have questions about a rom then read the thread about the rom and if you do not see the question you have already asked then go ahead and ask it.
If you want to make a thread here in the general section to discuss a rom you have already flashed and are running, that would not be a big issue either but..... Making a thread simply to ask others to tell you which rom is most stable or which rom is the best serve no purpose but to congest areas of XDA with useless spam.
If you are here, you have either rooted your device or plan to, either way if you are here for that then you have enough brains to read and gain knowledge the correct way by doing the legwork yourself.
If the amount of effort you put into trying to debate my legitimate reasons why this thread does not belong was put into discovering roms for yourself then there would never be a need for anyone to make a thread like this.
Bottomline, only lazy people make threads like this and XDA is for forum for adults seeking to enhance their knowledge of mobile development by way of contribution, not a G+ community to request everyone do your work for you while you sit around posting screenshots of your homescreen and icon theme.
Not a thing anyone responds to me with will justify these type of useless threads. Every way you can learn what you need about roms has been mentioned in my posts and none of them require an entire thread dedicated to asking others to give you the answers.
Nephilim said:
First of all, threads like this would not be constantly deleted by Senior Moderators if they were allowed. Next, I never once said that everyone should go and try every rom. I said that people need to go to the rom threads and READ, if the rom seems like something they would like to try then they should flash it, if not move onto another rom. Next, after flashing the said rom they are trying they can READ the thread pertaining to said rom to find answers to their questions.
You see where I am going here?
There is NO REASON for threads like this. All the information anyone could need can be found in the rom threads. If an individual needs to make a thread like this it just says that they are too lazy to read all the information that is already provided in multiple threads, available to everyone. If you want to discuss a rom then make a community on Google+, I already have done the same. This site is called XDA Developers. If you have questions about a rom then read the thread about the rom and if you do not see the question you have already asked then go ahead and ask it.
If you want to make a thread here in the general section to discuss a rom you have already flashed and are running, that would not be a big issue either but..... Making a thread simply to ask others to tell you which rom is most stable or which rom is the best serve no purpose but to congest areas of XDA with useless spam.
If you are here, you have either rooted your device or plan to, either way if you are here for that then you have enough brains to read and gain knowledge the correct way by doing the legwork yourself.
If the amount of effort you put into trying to debate my legitimate reasons why this thread does not belong was put into discovering roms for yourself then there would never be a need for anyone to make a thread like this.
Bottomline, only lazy people make threads like this and XDA is for forum for adults seeking to enhance their knowledge of mobile development by way of contribution, not a G+ community to request everyone do your work for you while you sit around posting screenshots of your homescreen and icon theme.
Not a thing anyone responds to me with will justify these type of useless threads. Every way you can learn what you need about roms has been mentioned in my posts and none of them require an entire thread dedicated to asking others to give you the answers.
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I would respectfully disagree. Not everyone has followed the entire course of development for the Galaxy Nexus from the beginning. It is hard to know where to start if you are just now reading up on things (as I am). People are trying to do their research otherwise they would just flash any old thing and then complain when nothing works.
In many other fields (I work in biology) it is very common to have a review article to get people up to speed on a specific topic without them having to read every primary piece of evidence on a topic because that is a lot of needless repetitive work that has already been done. It isn't being lazy. It is being efficient.
I stumbled upon this thread and found it to be EXACTLY what I was looking for and very relevant. Just a quick guide to let me know if it was worth looking into kitkat roms or if (as I suspected) I should stick with Jelly Bean roms for now since stability is also my primary goal. I can't understand the hostile nature towards people trying to educate themselves that seems to permeate xda sometimes...
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I would respectfully disagree. Not everyone has followed the entire course of development for the Galaxy Nexus from the beginning. It is hard to know where to start if you are just now reading up on things (as I am). People are trying to do their research otherwise they would just flash any old thing and then complain when nothing works.
In many other fields (I work in biology) it is very common to have a review article to get people up to speed on a specific topic without them having to read every primary piece of evidence on a topic because that is a lot of needless repetitive work that has already been done. It isn't being lazy. It is being efficient.
I stumbled upon this thread and found it to be EXACTLY what I was looking for and very relevant. Just a quick guide to let me know if it was worth looking into kitkat roms or if (as I suspected) I should stick with Jelly Bean roms for now since stability is also my primary goal. I can't understand the hostile nature towards people trying to educate themselves that seems to permeate xda sometimes...
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Apparently you have not read a word of what I posted.
There is NO reason for these type of posts because all the information you seek on a rom or kernel is in their respective thread. Even if you do not want to use them you still have all the review you need from people on the thread that actually used the rom or kernel, these threads are a copout for lazy people that do not take the time to read where the information is already easily accessible. These types of threads are spam, they are made by people who come to XDA and do not even put a second of time into looking through threads before just expecting that posting a new thread and asking about what is the best will get them all the info they need without any effort.
I have said this many times already, In school, when you have a test or assignment, does your teacher give that test or assignment to you and then immediately hand over the answers? Hell no they don't, they expect you to research and study to find the answers. As adults that is what should be done here as well, otherwise you ultimately learn nothing.
I use the official 4.4.2 gummy build and it is very stable for me and have not encountered any issues.
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I am using VanirAOSP. Its very fast and also stable!