I'm looking for a stable 4.4 which would be as stable as possible. The reason for this is that I use my Nexus for alarm clock and it's really unpleasant if I find it in SOD when I oversleep. I don't really need so much additional features, it's a bonus though, but it's more important that it's fast and bugless.
Are there any or should I stay on Cataclysm 4.3?
Well, you can only reliably know which ROM is the most stable by trying them yourself. That's part of the culture of XDA, to try ROMs from different developers and then to give feedback on them.
As for me, I just installed the latest CM11 nightly and it seems reasonably stable. Will test the battery life and stability for a few more days after installing some apps. Will try XenonHD next if this one isn't stable enough or has poor battery life. The phone does get hot when I'm running heavy applications and games, which is the only problem I have noticed so far.
Im running the CM11 Nightlies as well and cant complain at all. Havent had any issues with any of them. I usually update every couple days to the latest nightly.
If it's just using the device as an alarm, then CM11 nightlies would be quite enough. I've been using my own GNex as an alarm too.
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I've read through several ROM threads that a lot of them have have slowdowns and lags. Is that also the case for CM11? How about other CM based ROMs, like CM-remix?
Can't say much about other roms (aside from CM i've only ever tried AOKP jb-mr2 briefly), i'm on CM11 M2 right now and i can say it's smooth and has no hiccups and lags - much better than stock 4.3 and cm10.2 which i had beforehand.
I'm also using the device as an alarm clock and it works well.
Seriously? How many times do people have to be told that threads like this are against XDA rules. If you want a stable rom then try some roms out yourself and decide what you prefer for yourself. This is a development community meant for people that want to take the initiative to learn and do for themselves not a place for people to have others do their work for them.
Do some reading and you'll surely find the answers you seek.
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I'm looking for a stable 4.4 which would be as stable as possible.
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me too. cant find anything. CM blows, pa has graphics glitches and vanir gives me reboots.
tried em all and they all seem to suck.
4.3 is waaaay smoother for me.
a stock 4.4.2 build would be great.
if anyone finds any decent roms + a good 4.4 kernel (Franco/Faux) or two let me know.
Nephilim, sorry, I thought that it's forbidden to open only general ROM comparison threads, but I'm asking only for the ideas of pretty specific needs. You could also take this thread as a discussion if 4.4 ROMs in general are really stable enough for everyday use.
Not all of us have time to test every build of every ROM, because it would take a bit too much. That's why we have a community here to ask others for their opinion and experiences. At least that's how I imagine it, but of course, I might be wrong.
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not a place for people to have others do their work for them
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what is your problem anyway ?
since when is illegal to ask for some information ? i was also curious for some information about custom roms and i stumbled upon the same message from you several times
if i ask for any useful information.....am i automatically a lazy who prefers to have others do my work ?
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what is your problem anyway ?
since when is illegal to ask for some information ? i was also curious for some information about custom roms and i stumbled upon the same message from you several times
if i ask for any useful information.....am i automatically a lazy who prefers to have others do my work ?
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No it isnt illegal. But these threads are pointless... There is no best ROM so these threads will never be solved/answered. And the devs work hard to build a ROM and then some people in a thread will tell him his ROM sucks and the other one is better.. Its personal preference anyway. And every ROM is stable otherwise they wouldnt be released on xda (except when told otherwise or in beta etc.). Thats the whole point. There are tons of these threads. They are just useless. Just try out a ROM and if it suits your needs be happy and thank the developer and if you arent just move on to the next one.
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No it isnt illegal. But these threads are pointless... There is no best ROM so these threads will never be solved/answered. And the devs work hard to build a ROM and then some people in a thread will tell him his ROM sucks and the other one is better.. Its personal preference anyway. And every ROM is stable otherwise they wouldnt be released on xda (except when told otherwise or in beta etc.). Thats the whole point. There are tons of these threads. They are just useless. Just try out a ROM and if it suits your needs be happy and thank the developer and if you arent just move on to the next one.
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acknowledged, thank you
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what is your problem anyway ?
since when is illegal to ask for some information ? i was also curious for some information about custom roms and i stumbled upon the same message from you several times
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My problem is that if you aren't willing to put in the work and try roms yourself you have no business on a development forum. Asking others is just looking for someone else to do the work for you. Threads like this are basically spam because any info you need can be found in the threads made for each rom. If you are asking in a thread like this you are definitely lazy because you obviously dont want to put in the effort of finding the information by reading the rom threads. Mrgnex pretty much said the rest.
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My problem is that if you aren't willing to put in the work and try roms yourself you have no business on a development forum. Asking others is just looking for someone else to do the work for you. Threads like this are basically spam because any info you need can be found in the threads made for each rom. If you are asking in a thread like this you are definitely lazy because you obviously dont want to put in the effort of finding the information by reading the rom threads. Mrgnex pretty much said the rest.
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I'd fully agree with your comments, IF this thread was posted in development section, but it's not, it's in the GENERAL section.
So I don't see why NORMAL users(AKA non-flashaholics) can't freely discuss which ROM they prefer, regardless of stability.
BTW
I've tried out a lot of different/newer ROM's from 4.1 to 4.4.2 yet every time I've still went back to using PA 4.1.2 for over a year now, since no other ROM have the exact same great features I enjoy using daily.
Also I don't see why any Developer would really care if certain people dislike their ROM's, seeing as the whole reason they created one would be because they disliked the other ROM's available and wanted to build one them selves to their liking, many using the same features from other developers, just with their own tweaks.
Which is what I'm thinking I'll have learn to do since every ROM I've tested has some feature that's just not working as I'd like.
You suggesting every user go and test out every ROM just means there will be more individual threads created complaining about every ROM they flash/test.
So don't you think it's better to have 1 or 2 main ROM version threads in the GENERAL section to DISCUSS different individual Rom's in the GENERAL matter?
In other words if you don't really have anything to help out in the thread topic/discussion then just don't view it.
I personally enjoy reading about what others have to say, likely saving me time and headache from having to test out every Rom's myself.
I very much doubt there would be as many Rom's available as there are today if nobody discussed them.
Wasn't that the whole point of having an open sourced android OS?
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I'd fully agree with your comments, IF this thread was posted in development section, but it's not, it's in the GENERAL section.
So I don't see why NORMAL users(AKA non-flashaholics) can't freely discuss which ROM they prefer, regardless of stability.
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I've tried out a lot of different/newer ROM's from 4.1 to 4.4.2 yet every time I've still went back to using PA 4.1.2 for over a year now, since no other ROM have the exact same great features I enjoy using daily.
Also I don't see why any Developer would really care if certain people dislike their ROM's, seeing as the whole reason they created one would be because they disliked the other ROM's available and wanted to build one them selves to their liking, many using the same features from other developers, just with their own tweaks.
Which is what I'm thinking I'll have learn to do since every ROM I've tested has some feature that's just not working as I'd like.
You suggesting every user go and test out every ROM just means there will be more individual threads created complaining about every ROM they flash/test.
So don't you think it's better to have 1 or 2 main ROM version threads in the GENERAL section to DISCUSS different individual Rom's in the GENERAL matter?
In other words if you don't really have anything to help out in the thread topic/discussion then just don't view it.
I personally enjoy reading about what others have to say, likely saving me time and headache from having to test out every Rom's myself.
I very much doubt there would be as many Rom's available as there are today if nobody discussed them.
Wasn't that the whole point of having an open sourced android OS?
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First of all, threads like this would not be constantly deleted by Senior Moderators if they were allowed. Next, I never once said that everyone should go and try every rom. I said that people need to go to the rom threads and READ, if the rom seems like something they would like to try then they should flash it, if not move onto another rom. Next, after flashing the said rom they are trying they can READ the thread pertaining to said rom to find answers to their questions.
You see where I am going here?
There is NO REASON for threads like this. All the information anyone could need can be found in the rom threads. If an individual needs to make a thread like this it just says that they are too lazy to read all the information that is already provided in multiple threads, available to everyone. If you want to discuss a rom then make a community on Google+, I already have done the same. This site is called XDA Developers. If you have questions about a rom then read the thread about the rom and if you do not see the question you have already asked then go ahead and ask it.
If you want to make a thread here in the general section to discuss a rom you have already flashed and are running, that would not be a big issue either but..... Making a thread simply to ask others to tell you which rom is most stable or which rom is the best serve no purpose but to congest areas of XDA with useless spam.
If you are here, you have either rooted your device or plan to, either way if you are here for that then you have enough brains to read and gain knowledge the correct way by doing the legwork yourself.
If the amount of effort you put into trying to debate my legitimate reasons why this thread does not belong was put into discovering roms for yourself then there would never be a need for anyone to make a thread like this.
Bottomline, only lazy people make threads like this and XDA is for forum for adults seeking to enhance their knowledge of mobile development by way of contribution, not a G+ community to request everyone do your work for you while you sit around posting screenshots of your homescreen and icon theme.
Not a thing anyone responds to me with will justify these type of useless threads. Every way you can learn what you need about roms has been mentioned in my posts and none of them require an entire thread dedicated to asking others to give you the answers.
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First of all, threads like this would not be constantly deleted by Senior Moderators if they were allowed. Next, I never once said that everyone should go and try every rom. I said that people need to go to the rom threads and READ, if the rom seems like something they would like to try then they should flash it, if not move onto another rom. Next, after flashing the said rom they are trying they can READ the thread pertaining to said rom to find answers to their questions.
You see where I am going here?
There is NO REASON for threads like this. All the information anyone could need can be found in the rom threads. If an individual needs to make a thread like this it just says that they are too lazy to read all the information that is already provided in multiple threads, available to everyone. If you want to discuss a rom then make a community on Google+, I already have done the same. This site is called XDA Developers. If you have questions about a rom then read the thread about the rom and if you do not see the question you have already asked then go ahead and ask it.
If you want to make a thread here in the general section to discuss a rom you have already flashed and are running, that would not be a big issue either but..... Making a thread simply to ask others to tell you which rom is most stable or which rom is the best serve no purpose but to congest areas of XDA with useless spam.
If you are here, you have either rooted your device or plan to, either way if you are here for that then you have enough brains to read and gain knowledge the correct way by doing the legwork yourself.
If the amount of effort you put into trying to debate my legitimate reasons why this thread does not belong was put into discovering roms for yourself then there would never be a need for anyone to make a thread like this.
Bottomline, only lazy people make threads like this and XDA is for forum for adults seeking to enhance their knowledge of mobile development by way of contribution, not a G+ community to request everyone do your work for you while you sit around posting screenshots of your homescreen and icon theme.
Not a thing anyone responds to me with will justify these type of useless threads. Every way you can learn what you need about roms has been mentioned in my posts and none of them require an entire thread dedicated to asking others to give you the answers.
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I would respectfully disagree. Not everyone has followed the entire course of development for the Galaxy Nexus from the beginning. It is hard to know where to start if you are just now reading up on things (as I am). People are trying to do their research otherwise they would just flash any old thing and then complain when nothing works.
In many other fields (I work in biology) it is very common to have a review article to get people up to speed on a specific topic without them having to read every primary piece of evidence on a topic because that is a lot of needless repetitive work that has already been done. It isn't being lazy. It is being efficient.
I stumbled upon this thread and found it to be EXACTLY what I was looking for and very relevant. Just a quick guide to let me know if it was worth looking into kitkat roms or if (as I suspected) I should stick with Jelly Bean roms for now since stability is also my primary goal. I can't understand the hostile nature towards people trying to educate themselves that seems to permeate xda sometimes...
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I would respectfully disagree. Not everyone has followed the entire course of development for the Galaxy Nexus from the beginning. It is hard to know where to start if you are just now reading up on things (as I am). People are trying to do their research otherwise they would just flash any old thing and then complain when nothing works.
In many other fields (I work in biology) it is very common to have a review article to get people up to speed on a specific topic without them having to read every primary piece of evidence on a topic because that is a lot of needless repetitive work that has already been done. It isn't being lazy. It is being efficient.
I stumbled upon this thread and found it to be EXACTLY what I was looking for and very relevant. Just a quick guide to let me know if it was worth looking into kitkat roms or if (as I suspected) I should stick with Jelly Bean roms for now since stability is also my primary goal. I can't understand the hostile nature towards people trying to educate themselves that seems to permeate xda sometimes...
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Apparently you have not read a word of what I posted.
There is NO reason for these type of posts because all the information you seek on a rom or kernel is in their respective thread. Even if you do not want to use them you still have all the review you need from people on the thread that actually used the rom or kernel, these threads are a copout for lazy people that do not take the time to read where the information is already easily accessible. These types of threads are spam, they are made by people who come to XDA and do not even put a second of time into looking through threads before just expecting that posting a new thread and asking about what is the best will get them all the info they need without any effort.
I have said this many times already, In school, when you have a test or assignment, does your teacher give that test or assignment to you and then immediately hand over the answers? Hell no they don't, they expect you to research and study to find the answers. As adults that is what should be done here as well, otherwise you ultimately learn nothing.
I use the official 4.4.2 gummy build and it is very stable for me and have not encountered any issues.
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I am using VanirAOSP. Its very fast and also stable!
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Hey guys, I've sifted through a few topics trying to figure out a concise state of the state our ICS leaks are in right now - no offense to anyone posting in them, but they haven't really been helpful. Can someone just give me a broad overview of what's going on with the recent ICS leaks?
Particular interests:
What core functionality (camera/GPS/Wifi/4G/etc) is not working or requires deliberate action to work (ex: apparently you need to have a GPS lock before flashing to ICS?)
What ICS-specific functionality (chrome/theming/etc) still isn't functioning properly on our phone that's stood out to you?
Outside of the general risks of flashing rooted pre-release kernels, what other specific threats (ex: EMMC lockup) exist now for flashing to some of the dev-released ICS kernels?
In your personal opinion: are the ICS builds we have now stable enough to be considered daily drivers, or is something OTA-worthy a while away?
I know it's a lot to ask, but it would be really helpful to me (and would probably be worth a big post or sticky in the general forum). Thanks guys.
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Hey guys, I've sifted through a few topics trying to figure out a concise state of the state our ICS leaks are in right now - no offense to anyone posting in them, but they haven't really been helpful. Can someone just give me a broad overview of what's going on with the recent ICS leaks?
Particular interests:
What core functionality (camera/GPS/Wifi/4G/etc) is not working or requires deliberate action to work (ex: apparently you need to have a GPS lock before flashing to ICS?)
What ICS-specific functionality (chrome/theming/etc) still isn't functioning properly on our phone that's stood out to you?
Outside of the general risks of flashing rooted pre-release kernels, what other specific threats (ex: EMMC lockup) exist now for flashing to some of the dev-released ICS kernels?
In your personal opinion: are the ICS builds we have now stable enough to be considered daily drivers, or is something OTA-worthy a while away?
I know it's a lot to ask, but it would be really helpful to me (and would probably be worth a big post or sticky in the general forum). Thanks guys.
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Its really a crap shoot depending on what you flash....if you want basic daily driver, go with the fe22 one click from sfhub. Its stock ics, 4.04, rooted. That's it. Everything works fine.
Most TW based roms have an issue where 4g makes your phone reboot. Doesn't happen to all, but its a known bug.
EMMC is an issue with roms so always flash from el26 kernel+cw.
I never had an issue with GPS, but again others have. If you have one, get a lock on el29 then proceed to flash properly to ics.
Basically if you have been on GB this whole time, it really won't hurt to wait for the official release. All the roms and kernels will be redone at that time anyways. Personally I have loved the following ics roms: agats rom, Frankenstein rom, and aokp/cm9. They're just very different and offer different benefits.
And there is some theming for ics TW builds, just not a lot as I think the themers got tired of all the release updates they had to do.
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Why did you post this? When you only have 6 posts?
READ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thanks for your helpful reply to my question. If you would have bothered to look at my profile, despite the fact that I only have 6 posts (as I'm not a developer and don't have a whole lot of input to make), I've been consistently reading these forums for the past six months as of today.
As I mentioned in my first post, "no offense to anyone posting in them, but [the threads in the general forum about our ICS leaks] haven't really been helpful." I can't link you to the posts in question, since jayharper08 went through and deleted pages of off-topic crap from the threads just recently, but I had spent upwards of a half hour between the search function and looking through threads trying to find up to date answers to these questions and only found pages upon pages of irrelevant off-topic discussion (again, no offense to those posting - long threads go like that sometimes).
None of the posts in the ICS leaks bug squashing thread even mention the GPS, 4G, or etc problems as significant issues - it's informative as to some problems, but it is by no means comprehensive. The Wiki for our phone isn't very updated at all. The EMMC lockup thread is very informative and up to date on that specific issue, but that's it. These (1 2 3 4 5) kernel release threads all don't make any attempt to document the bugs included, except that this one from the start of the month makes a passing mention of the notification bug.
In summary: I've done my due diligence by far before posting a question here. This information simply just hasn't been compiled in a single place for easy reference for the people it matters to - people who haven't yet taken the jump into ICS because of concerns about stability. I don't feel qualified to make that thread myself because, as you can guess by me making this post in the Q&A section, I don't know enough myself to do the topic justice. And something like this isn't easily searchable to find quality results - if you disagree, by all means, please link me to a predictable search or searches that would have told me about these bugs.
Regardless, I don't appreciate you rudely telling me in all caps to "READ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" when you apparently haven't even read the forum rules, which specifically prohibit flaming (2.3) and biting the newbies (2.5), specifically:
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Treat new members the way you would like to have been treated when you were a new member. When dealing with any member, provide them with guidance, advice and instruction when you can and always with respect and courtesy. Never post in a demanding, argumentative, disrespectful or self-righteous manner.
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Thanks dante32278 for trying to be helpful.
they work fine, I havent had any issues at all.. I dont have 4g, because im on boost.. the emmc lockup thing is a bug in the firmware not with the rom, but its a risk anyway, just avoid wiping in recovery, unless you flash to EL26.
also Facebook contact sync doesnt work on aosp roms, but thats a disagreement with google and facebook.
I am not a pro user of these forums, but I would like someone, especially the Mods to make a thread about most popular roms of DHD and let people vote.. It would give one an idea of what rom is trending and what is the most widely used.. Sure would help ignite the competition too ..
If any such thread already exists on this forum, please tell me...
You can do it yourself...and you might be the first one to do so (i havent searched to see if there is one out there already...)
It is not done do the fact we are all tired of hearing the same question over and over again what's the best rom what's a solid stable rom and they all get closed. Each rom works different for everyone. What's good to one is utter crap to another and your topic will only start a flaming war hence the reason why such threads are closed. Only you can tell what's good for you by trying a few out or reading comments on the devs threads. Hmm I think I hear zels footsteps.
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It is not done do the fact we are all tired of hearing the same question over and over again what's the best rom what's a solid stable rom and they all get closed. Each rom works different for everyone. What's good to one is utter crap to another and your topic will only start a flaming war hence the reason why such threads are closed. Only you can tell what's good for you by trying a few out or reading comments on the devs threads. Hmm I think I hear zels footsteps.
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Might be nice to centralize it though. No comments, just a pure poll. (Not sure if there's a way to do that.) It might cut down on the one-post immediately-closed "which is the best ROM" threads.
A poll with no comments may work.
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Well there is something similar. Its not a poll.. but it gives a pretty decent breakdown on the roms currently available broken down into categories Jellybean, ICS, GB etc. It might help out?
>>> Development List <<<
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Well there is something similar. Its not a poll.. but it gives a pretty decent breakdown on the roms currently available broken down into categories Jellybean, ICS, GB etc. It might help out?
>>> Development List <<<
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Yeah, I know about that, but I see a lot of threads opened that basically ask "I'm new, what is the most popular/best/favorite ROM?" The index gives a good list of available ROMs, but it doesn't shed a lot of light on how many people use each one, which seems to be what newbies would like to know (to help them decide which to install). Maybe a poll would cut down on such threads. I've PMed a mod to see if such a poll would be well-received.
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I am not a pro user of these forums, but I would like someone, especially the Mods to make a thread about most popular roms of DHD and let people vote.. It would give one an idea of what rom is trending and what is the most widely used.. Sure would help ignite the competition too ..
If any such thread already exists on this forum, please tell me...
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I completely disagree, bcoz u can't compare all the efforts of devs. Every single piece of their work is truly admirable. Whatever they have done is absolutely priceless.
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I didn't mean that devs work isn't priceless, of course that is commendable!! And its not strict comparing either.. I just meant that one should have idea about new trending romS and also how many people are using which rom.... I know one rom may be excellent for someone and crap for another, have probably flashed more than 100 roms myself. I am just taking about the current trend of roms
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I agree with a poll with no comments, just a simple poll with rom names allowing members to state what they are using, we don't need to know their reasons why.
One thing I don't always understand is people read threads, see what features the rom has but still want other people to tell them.... Just install it and have a look yourself! Most common case I've seen is in the Sabsa Prime thread as it's what I use, people ask for updates and then when one comes along, they ask people to try it out and report back if it's worth updating. Grrrrr!! It's your phone, you want the updates so try it out and see if it suits YOU. Simples.
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I see a lot of talk, but no one stepping in to start a poll? You guys do realize anyone can start poll as a part of the thread!!
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I see a lot of talk, but no one stepping in to start a poll? You guys do realize anyone can start poll as a part of the thread!!
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I have PMed the mods (since they would need to lock comments) a couple times. No response yet.
The mods say that locking a thread while leaving the poll open is not possible.
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The mods say that locking a thread while leaving the poll open is not possible.
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I saw your PM yesterday and had been giving it some thought. It looks like my co-moderator has contacted you already and let you know that the system will lock the poll as part of closing thread. Even if it was possible to separate the two, I'd be inclined to close down polls like the one you suggest. While some of you might think a poll like this a good idea, it smells a bit too much like a popularity contest.
Some of you may already know that many moderators in other forums have a wholesale ban on "Best ROM" threads. This is because a lot of these threads tend to be a breeding ground for rivalries and disrespecting others' work that can degenerate into infighting and other nastiness. I don't want to be heavy-handed on this topic because I see some benefit to discussions that compare/contrast ROMs and kernels IF they are done objectively and with respect for others. The last part of this is the most important here.
You might have already seen comments that say, "there is no best, try it and see what you like" and that's true. We all have different needs and likes, so there can be no best, but some sharing of knowledge and experiences with various ROMs can be helpful to others. Again, all of this needs to be done objectively and with respect for others. There's already a thread in General with many opinions and nobody's been really causing any trouble there, so I suggest all of you continue those discussions there. Please... no "best" polls.
I'm sorry to threadjack this from the OP, but since the idea has been shot down, I welcome your thoughts on the matter. If you don't want to air it out publicly, my PM box is always open.
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Thanks for explaining. I just thought that a more centralized and easy-to-read format would help newbies who are confused when they first see that (seemingly endless) list of ROM threads that is so appealing to those of us who've been around a little longer. But I respect your position and it makes sense. Also, without the comment-locked-forum option, I agree that these types of threads do tend to degenerate.
Now that the T-Mobile SGS3 has 2 different variants, could we possibly make a SGH-T999 forum aside from all the other variants? I believe it might help with clutter and potential user issues because of flashing SGS3 LTE modems on non-LTE or T999V, etc devices.
Just a request.
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mike.r.olson said:
Now that the T-Mobile SGS3 has 2 different variants, could we possibly make a SGH-T999 forum aside from all the other variants? I believe it might help with clutter and potential user issues because of flashing SGS3 LTE modems on non-LTE or T999V, etc devices.
Just a request.
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I think you forgot about the main problem here, besides all the variants you mentioned
there are the all those AOKP/AOSP/CM and ported roms which already have their own
thread "T-Mobile S III Original Android Develoment" where these roms above belong.
Now about 50% of the "Tmobile Galaxy S III Android Development" thread is full of the AOKP/AOSP/CM
roms instead of only having the Samsung Touchwiz Jellybean 4.11/4.1.2 based stock or custom roms in it.
This causes a lot of confusion for many people in these threads and sometimes it's difficult to even tell which is which
unless the OP makes it very clear in his opening post stating that "This is a AOKP Rom" or even better letting people
know that "This is NOT a Samsung Touchwiz Jellybean based rom" so no one would flash it by error.
I think everything is as it should be to be honest. The 3 models of the T999, are virtually identical, and ROMS and Recoveries and kernels are pretty much compatible across the board. The only things thay should be avoided are modems and full firmwares.
As far as the CM and AOKP type ROMs in the development area, many probably do belong there. As far as I am aware tge original development forum is for anything built from source or from scratch.
Im betting most of the roms in question were simply modified in the exact same sense that the TouchWiz roms have been.
In the end its up to the mods, but I think for now the current layout is fine, and splitting it up even more woukd only cause more work and more problems. Id bet that everyone would still wind up right here for everything they need.
Thats just how I see it anyway.
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I think everything is as it should be to be honest. The 3 models of the T999, are virtually identical, and ROMS and Recoveries and kernels are pretty much compatible across the board. The only things thay should be avoided are modems and full firmwares.
As far as the CM and AOKP type ROMs in the development area, many probably do belong there. As far as I am aware tge original development forum is for anything built from source or from scratch.
Im betting most of the roms in question were simply modified in the exact same sense that the TouchWiz roms have been.
In the end its up to the mods, but I think for now the current layout is fine, and splitting it up even more woukd only cause more work and more problems. Id bet that everyone would still wind up right here for everything they need.
Thats just how I see it anyway.
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I forgot to add that the problem (in my personal opinion) which I described is not exclusive to this this Tmobile
Galaxy T999 S3 forum, but the same problem also exists in the new Tmobile Galaxy M919 S4 forum too.
I am surprised that none of the moderators caught on to it yet. I know from experience that the moderators
here are not too kind about anyone starting new threads in the wrong location or forum...
Dont take them as being unkind. They are simply doing their job and enforcing the rules.
I have worked with some of them, and trust me, they can be some if the most helpful and knowledgeable people on here. There are very good reasons behind each one getting selected to become a mod. (And being an a$$ to folks is not one of the reasons).
That said, I did want to conceed one point. Though I do believe most of the threads in development do beling there, it does get cluttered pretty easily. For those who have been around for a while its probably not so bad, but to someone new to the forum, I can see how it could become difficult to find something that fits specific needs. I could see splitting that into two or three sub forums as helpful (one for stock based and one or two for CM and AOKP types). It could keep things a little cleaner that way.
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DocHoliday77 said:
Dont take them as being unkind. They are simply doing their job and enforcing the rules.
I have worked with some of them, and trust me, they can be some if the most helpful and knowledgeable people on here. There are very good reasons behind each one getting selected to become a mod. (And being an a$$ to folks is not one of the reasons).
That said, I did want to conceed one point. Though I do believe most of the threads in development do beling there, it does get cluttered pretty easily. For those who have been around for a while its probably not so bad, but to someone new to the forum, I can see how it could become difficult to find something that fits specific needs. I could see splitting that into two or three sub forums as helpful (one for stock based and one or two for CM and AOKP types). It could keep things a little cleaner that way.
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I meant no disrespect to any of the moderators, but I've been caught making new threads where they didn't belong a couple times myself.
A long time ago when I first started here in xda I made a new thread in the Samsung AT&T Captivate forum and
I was promptly shown the exit door.
I hellraised/ported some rom successfully, tested it to be sure it worked properly then created a new thread in the same
forum as all the Samsung Touchwiz Captivate custom and stock roms were located and one of the moderators promptly
closed the thread as he should have.
At the time I did not think I done anything wrong and could not fully understand the reason why my thread was closed.
Now I see the reason and it's a very good reason, I just hope that one of these days soon there will be some kind
of segregation of the touchwiz custom roms and ported and aokp/aosp/cm roms in these xda forums and threads.
I really believe that about one third of all the issues, problems and errors a lot of new users here are having have
to do with flashing these cm/aokp/aosp roms not knowing that these roms don't come with all the features and the
bells and whistles which the touchwiz roms have, on top of that, issues which the the devs have yet to resolve.
Not to mention, especially here in the S3 Tmobile forum flashing those roms means no wifi calling at all.
Another example, have you ever seen or heard about an "error 7" which was not the result of someone
flashing one of those roms then trying to flash back to a Samsung Touchwiz rom?
New or fairly new users here when scrolling thru the Samsung touchwiz S3 custom roms thread are not aware of these things
and without really knowing what they are doing they end up flashing one of those roms thinking it's just another custom rom.
If those roms were in their own forums it would make everything here in xda go a lot smoother and easier not only for the new
users but for everyone else including the developers.
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I think you forgot about the main problem here, besides all the variants you mentioned
there are the all those AOKP/AOSP/CM and ported roms which already have their own
thread "T-Mobile S III Original Android Develoment" where these roms above belong.
Now about 50% of the "Tmobile Galaxy S III Android Development" thread is full of the AOKP/AOSP/CM
roms instead of only having the Samsung Touchwiz Jellybean 4.11/4.1.2 based stock or custom roms in it.
This causes a lot of confusion for many people in these threads and sometimes it's difficult to even tell which is which
unless the OP makes it very clear in his opening post stating that "This is a AOKP Rom" or even better letting people
know that "This is NOT a Samsung Touchwiz Jellybean based rom" so no one would flash it by error.
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Regular development is NOT only Touchwiz ROMs. Original Development is only for ROMs where the actual poster is the developer that wrote 1000's of lines of code or part of the team that did. ALL AOSP, CM, AOKP, MIUI, PA clones go in regular development.
And to the OP as long as the ROMs are compatible and do not cause hard bricks then there is no reason for separate sections.
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Regular development is NOT only Touchwiz ROMs. Original Development is only for ROMs where the actual poster is the developer that wrote 1000's of lines of code or part of the team that did. ALL AOSP, CM, AOKP, MIUI, PA clones go in regular development.
And to the OP as long as the ROMs are compatible and do not cause hard bricks then there is no reason for separate sections.
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No wonder I started seeing a lot of roms that were posted in Original Android Development moved to Android development. It was kinda shock for me...
Only thing for people with the new T999L not flashing a T999 firmware, radio, odin. Is to make the threads known that is not for them.
And believe me we are going to see a lot of new threads people having problems. If they want to go back to odin stock or flashing the wrong firmware. Even if the threads are indicating that are not compatible they will still do it..... Half the people wont read and understand what their doing before doing it. They will only know that they have a Tmobile GS3 and that it.
gypsy214 said:
No wonder I started seeing a lot of roms that were posted in Original Android Development moved to Android development. It was kinda shock for me...
Only thing for people with the new T999L not flashing a T999 firmware, radio, odin. Is to make the threads known that is not for them.
And believe me we are going to see a lot of new threads people having problems. If they want to go back to odin stock or flashing the wrong firmware. Even if the threads are indicating that are not compatible they will still do it..... Half the people wont read and understand what their doing before doing it. They will only know that they have a Tmobile GS3 and that it.
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You mean like all the CDMA users flashing international ROMs in spite of the capital letter warning in both sticky sections? This is a developers' forum and not a support site. We cannot idiot-proof every section or the whole site will be convoluted with hundreds of subforums in which most will still not read. Most sites only have one forum per device. This site is very well organized compared to those. Add an L onto another subsection and most will still not read. We have many devices on XDA that work just like this, compatible ROMs and they have to flash correct modem and firmware.
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You mean like all the CDMA users flashing international ROMs in spite of the capital letter warning in both sticky sections? This is a developers' forum and not a support site. We cannot idiot-proof every section or the whole site will be convoluted with hundreds of subforums in which most will still not read. Most sites only have one forum per device. This site is very well organized compared to those. Add an L onto another subsection and most will still not read. We have many devices on XDA that work just like this, compatible ROMs and they have to flash correct modem and firmware.
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Completely 100% agree. We already hold the hand of these people more then needed. This isn't a support site where people come to ask for help, its a dev forum but no one treats it that way anymore. The forum is laid out very very well. I've been on many android sites and get fed up by the layout quickly, and lack of care for users and such.
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DocHoliday77 said:
I think everything is as it should be to be honest. The 3 models of the T999, are virtually identical, and ROMS and Recoveries and kernels are pretty much compatible across the board. The only things thay should be avoided are modems and full firmwares.
As far as the CM and AOKP type ROMs in the development area, many probably do belong there. As far as I am aware tge original development forum is for anything built from source or from scratch.
Im betting most of the roms in question were simply modified in the exact same sense that the TouchWiz roms have been.
In the end its up to the mods, but I think for now the current layout is fine, and splitting it up even more woukd only cause more work and more problems. Id bet that everyone would still wind up right here for everything they need.
Thats just how I see it anyway.
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DocHoliday77 said:
Dont take them as being unkind. They are simply doing their job and enforcing the rules.
I have worked with some of them, and trust me, they can be some if the most helpful and knowledgeable people on here. There are very good reasons behind each one getting selected to become a mod. (And being an a$$ to folks is not one of the reasons).
That said, I did want to conceed one point. Though I do believe most of the threads in development do beling there, it does get cluttered pretty easily. For those who have been around for a while its probably not so bad, but to someone new to the forum, I can see how it could become difficult to find something that fits specific needs. I could see splitting that into two or three sub forums as helpful (one for stock based and one or two for CM and AOKP types). It could keep things a little cleaner that way.
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kennyglass123 said:
You mean like all the CDMA users flashing international ROMs in spite of the capital letter warning in both sticky sections? This is a developers' forum and not a support site. We cannot idiot-proof every section or the whole site will be convoluted with hundreds of subforums in which most will still not read. Most sites only have one forum per device. This site is very well organized compared to those. Add an L onto another subsection and most will still not read. We have many devices on XDA that work just like this, compatible ROMs and they have to flash correct modem and firmware.
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Hey guys, so I've searched in q&a, general, and development and can't find a thread for this. my upgrade date is august, and I'm pretty sure I'm going with a note, either 2 or 3, so as a last hoorah with my gnex I'm going to root and flash a rom. i've done this to many devices before, but I'm wondering which rom is best, as far as liquid smoothness and speed are concerened. I cna't find a thread descussing this. Also, if you have a rom that you perfer, for whatever reasons, I'd love to hear it! Thanks in advance.
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Hey guys, so I've searched in q&a, general, and development and can't find a thread for this. my upgrade date is august, and I'm pretty sure I'm going with a note, either 2 or 3, so as a last hoorah with my gnex I'm going to root and flash a rom. i've done this to many devices before, but I'm wondering which rom is best, as far as liquid smoothness and speed are concerened. I cna't find a thread descussing this. Also, if you have a rom that you perfer, for whatever reasons, I'd love to hear it! Thanks in advance.
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you know why you cant find a thread about a "best rom"?
1) you're terrible at search. there's a ton of them that are locked
2) they're locked cause they're not allowed.
3) go try some with features you want in the development thread for your device.
"Best ROM" threads are not allowed and are usually closed by mods. Although there is one that has slipped through the cracks and is still going surprisingly.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1636471
Read through that and see what people are saying. But basically, all ROMs are going to be pretty much the same.
Thread closed as its a Best ROM thread.
Hi guys, so I just got an S3 i747 AT&T coming from iPhone 4s.
I already have it rooted and would like to load a room as close to stock as possible. I really liked the Moto X however, the camera was terrible... I would like to get that experience..
What's most important to me is battery life. I would like to get the most batteyr life possible. Can someone recommend a rom? I was thinking one of the Cyanogenmod ROMs. I thought that 10.2 version is the stable one but it seems that only 10.1 is stable? Would appreciate some advice.
This should be in the Q&A section.
New ROM suggestion threads tend to get closed very quickly around here by the moderators, as there have been entirely too many that often turn into "what's the best ROM, or just pit one ROM against another.
You should always look in the development section, as there are plenty of ROMs there that you might like. Also, every phone is different, so what might work great on one phone might not work the same on yours. You have plenty of Roms in the development section that you can try, so that you can determine whats the best ROM for you. Just read up on them before flashing and follow their directions, and you should be OK.
shortydoggg said:
This should be in the Q&A section.
New ROM suggestion threads tend to get closed very quickly around here by the moderators, as there have been entirely too many that often turn into "what's the best ROM, or just pit one ROM against another.
You should always look in the development section, as there are plenty of ROMs there that you might like. Also, every phone is different, so what might work great on one phone might not work the same on yours. You have plenty of Roms in the development section that you can try, so that you can determine whats the best ROM for you. Just read up on them before flashing and follow their directions, and you should be OK.
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Thanks so much. I didn't realize this was against the forum rules...
There are so many roms there! I was just asking in terms of battery life or which one you would suggest for someone coming from an iPhone platform.
johndoe12 said:
Thanks so much. I didn't realize this was against the forum rules...
There are so many roms there! I was just asking in terms of battery life or which one you would suggest for someone coming from an iPhone platform.
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Android is definitely not iPhone. As far as best battery life refer to the advice given. Try various ROMs that look appealing to you until you find one that is acceptable on your terms.
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johndoe12 said:
Thanks so much. I didn't realize this was against the forum rules...
There are so many roms there! I was just asking in terms of battery life or which one you would suggest for someone coming from an iPhone platform.
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Quantum ROM would be the best for your battery buddy.
Well, as previously stated, users are expected to do their own research and make their own determination as to what rom is best for them.
All the roms here are the best, try them all.
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