Now that the T-Mobile SGS3 has 2 different variants, could we possibly make a SGH-T999 forum aside from all the other variants? I believe it might help with clutter and potential user issues because of flashing SGS3 LTE modems on non-LTE or T999V, etc devices.
Just a request.
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mike.r.olson said:
Now that the T-Mobile SGS3 has 2 different variants, could we possibly make a SGH-T999 forum aside from all the other variants? I believe it might help with clutter and potential user issues because of flashing SGS3 LTE modems on non-LTE or T999V, etc devices.
Just a request.
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I think you forgot about the main problem here, besides all the variants you mentioned
there are the all those AOKP/AOSP/CM and ported roms which already have their own
thread "T-Mobile S III Original Android Develoment" where these roms above belong.
Now about 50% of the "Tmobile Galaxy S III Android Development" thread is full of the AOKP/AOSP/CM
roms instead of only having the Samsung Touchwiz Jellybean 4.11/4.1.2 based stock or custom roms in it.
This causes a lot of confusion for many people in these threads and sometimes it's difficult to even tell which is which
unless the OP makes it very clear in his opening post stating that "This is a AOKP Rom" or even better letting people
know that "This is NOT a Samsung Touchwiz Jellybean based rom" so no one would flash it by error.
I think everything is as it should be to be honest. The 3 models of the T999, are virtually identical, and ROMS and Recoveries and kernels are pretty much compatible across the board. The only things thay should be avoided are modems and full firmwares.
As far as the CM and AOKP type ROMs in the development area, many probably do belong there. As far as I am aware tge original development forum is for anything built from source or from scratch.
Im betting most of the roms in question were simply modified in the exact same sense that the TouchWiz roms have been.
In the end its up to the mods, but I think for now the current layout is fine, and splitting it up even more woukd only cause more work and more problems. Id bet that everyone would still wind up right here for everything they need.
Thats just how I see it anyway.
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DocHoliday77 said:
I think everything is as it should be to be honest. The 3 models of the T999, are virtually identical, and ROMS and Recoveries and kernels are pretty much compatible across the board. The only things thay should be avoided are modems and full firmwares.
As far as the CM and AOKP type ROMs in the development area, many probably do belong there. As far as I am aware tge original development forum is for anything built from source or from scratch.
Im betting most of the roms in question were simply modified in the exact same sense that the TouchWiz roms have been.
In the end its up to the mods, but I think for now the current layout is fine, and splitting it up even more woukd only cause more work and more problems. Id bet that everyone would still wind up right here for everything they need.
Thats just how I see it anyway.
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I forgot to add that the problem (in my personal opinion) which I described is not exclusive to this this Tmobile
Galaxy T999 S3 forum, but the same problem also exists in the new Tmobile Galaxy M919 S4 forum too.
I am surprised that none of the moderators caught on to it yet. I know from experience that the moderators
here are not too kind about anyone starting new threads in the wrong location or forum...
Dont take them as being unkind. They are simply doing their job and enforcing the rules.
I have worked with some of them, and trust me, they can be some if the most helpful and knowledgeable people on here. There are very good reasons behind each one getting selected to become a mod. (And being an a$$ to folks is not one of the reasons).
That said, I did want to conceed one point. Though I do believe most of the threads in development do beling there, it does get cluttered pretty easily. For those who have been around for a while its probably not so bad, but to someone new to the forum, I can see how it could become difficult to find something that fits specific needs. I could see splitting that into two or three sub forums as helpful (one for stock based and one or two for CM and AOKP types). It could keep things a little cleaner that way.
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DocHoliday77 said:
Dont take them as being unkind. They are simply doing their job and enforcing the rules.
I have worked with some of them, and trust me, they can be some if the most helpful and knowledgeable people on here. There are very good reasons behind each one getting selected to become a mod. (And being an a$$ to folks is not one of the reasons).
That said, I did want to conceed one point. Though I do believe most of the threads in development do beling there, it does get cluttered pretty easily. For those who have been around for a while its probably not so bad, but to someone new to the forum, I can see how it could become difficult to find something that fits specific needs. I could see splitting that into two or three sub forums as helpful (one for stock based and one or two for CM and AOKP types). It could keep things a little cleaner that way.
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I meant no disrespect to any of the moderators, but I've been caught making new threads where they didn't belong a couple times myself.
A long time ago when I first started here in xda I made a new thread in the Samsung AT&T Captivate forum and
I was promptly shown the exit door.
I hellraised/ported some rom successfully, tested it to be sure it worked properly then created a new thread in the same
forum as all the Samsung Touchwiz Captivate custom and stock roms were located and one of the moderators promptly
closed the thread as he should have.
At the time I did not think I done anything wrong and could not fully understand the reason why my thread was closed.
Now I see the reason and it's a very good reason, I just hope that one of these days soon there will be some kind
of segregation of the touchwiz custom roms and ported and aokp/aosp/cm roms in these xda forums and threads.
I really believe that about one third of all the issues, problems and errors a lot of new users here are having have
to do with flashing these cm/aokp/aosp roms not knowing that these roms don't come with all the features and the
bells and whistles which the touchwiz roms have, on top of that, issues which the the devs have yet to resolve.
Not to mention, especially here in the S3 Tmobile forum flashing those roms means no wifi calling at all.
Another example, have you ever seen or heard about an "error 7" which was not the result of someone
flashing one of those roms then trying to flash back to a Samsung Touchwiz rom?
New or fairly new users here when scrolling thru the Samsung touchwiz S3 custom roms thread are not aware of these things
and without really knowing what they are doing they end up flashing one of those roms thinking it's just another custom rom.
If those roms were in their own forums it would make everything here in xda go a lot smoother and easier not only for the new
users but for everyone else including the developers.
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I think you forgot about the main problem here, besides all the variants you mentioned
there are the all those AOKP/AOSP/CM and ported roms which already have their own
thread "T-Mobile S III Original Android Develoment" where these roms above belong.
Now about 50% of the "Tmobile Galaxy S III Android Development" thread is full of the AOKP/AOSP/CM
roms instead of only having the Samsung Touchwiz Jellybean 4.11/4.1.2 based stock or custom roms in it.
This causes a lot of confusion for many people in these threads and sometimes it's difficult to even tell which is which
unless the OP makes it very clear in his opening post stating that "This is a AOKP Rom" or even better letting people
know that "This is NOT a Samsung Touchwiz Jellybean based rom" so no one would flash it by error.
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Regular development is NOT only Touchwiz ROMs. Original Development is only for ROMs where the actual poster is the developer that wrote 1000's of lines of code or part of the team that did. ALL AOSP, CM, AOKP, MIUI, PA clones go in regular development.
And to the OP as long as the ROMs are compatible and do not cause hard bricks then there is no reason for separate sections.
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Regular development is NOT only Touchwiz ROMs. Original Development is only for ROMs where the actual poster is the developer that wrote 1000's of lines of code or part of the team that did. ALL AOSP, CM, AOKP, MIUI, PA clones go in regular development.
And to the OP as long as the ROMs are compatible and do not cause hard bricks then there is no reason for separate sections.
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No wonder I started seeing a lot of roms that were posted in Original Android Development moved to Android development. It was kinda shock for me...
Only thing for people with the new T999L not flashing a T999 firmware, radio, odin. Is to make the threads known that is not for them.
And believe me we are going to see a lot of new threads people having problems. If they want to go back to odin stock or flashing the wrong firmware. Even if the threads are indicating that are not compatible they will still do it..... Half the people wont read and understand what their doing before doing it. They will only know that they have a Tmobile GS3 and that it.
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No wonder I started seeing a lot of roms that were posted in Original Android Development moved to Android development. It was kinda shock for me...
Only thing for people with the new T999L not flashing a T999 firmware, radio, odin. Is to make the threads known that is not for them.
And believe me we are going to see a lot of new threads people having problems. If they want to go back to odin stock or flashing the wrong firmware. Even if the threads are indicating that are not compatible they will still do it..... Half the people wont read and understand what their doing before doing it. They will only know that they have a Tmobile GS3 and that it.
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You mean like all the CDMA users flashing international ROMs in spite of the capital letter warning in both sticky sections? This is a developers' forum and not a support site. We cannot idiot-proof every section or the whole site will be convoluted with hundreds of subforums in which most will still not read. Most sites only have one forum per device. This site is very well organized compared to those. Add an L onto another subsection and most will still not read. We have many devices on XDA that work just like this, compatible ROMs and they have to flash correct modem and firmware.
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You mean like all the CDMA users flashing international ROMs in spite of the capital letter warning in both sticky sections? This is a developers' forum and not a support site. We cannot idiot-proof every section or the whole site will be convoluted with hundreds of subforums in which most will still not read. Most sites only have one forum per device. This site is very well organized compared to those. Add an L onto another subsection and most will still not read. We have many devices on XDA that work just like this, compatible ROMs and they have to flash correct modem and firmware.
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Completely 100% agree. We already hold the hand of these people more then needed. This isn't a support site where people come to ask for help, its a dev forum but no one treats it that way anymore. The forum is laid out very very well. I've been on many android sites and get fed up by the layout quickly, and lack of care for users and such.
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DocHoliday77 said:
I think everything is as it should be to be honest. The 3 models of the T999, are virtually identical, and ROMS and Recoveries and kernels are pretty much compatible across the board. The only things thay should be avoided are modems and full firmwares.
As far as the CM and AOKP type ROMs in the development area, many probably do belong there. As far as I am aware tge original development forum is for anything built from source or from scratch.
Im betting most of the roms in question were simply modified in the exact same sense that the TouchWiz roms have been.
In the end its up to the mods, but I think for now the current layout is fine, and splitting it up even more woukd only cause more work and more problems. Id bet that everyone would still wind up right here for everything they need.
Thats just how I see it anyway.
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DocHoliday77 said:
Dont take them as being unkind. They are simply doing their job and enforcing the rules.
I have worked with some of them, and trust me, they can be some if the most helpful and knowledgeable people on here. There are very good reasons behind each one getting selected to become a mod. (And being an a$$ to folks is not one of the reasons).
That said, I did want to conceed one point. Though I do believe most of the threads in development do beling there, it does get cluttered pretty easily. For those who have been around for a while its probably not so bad, but to someone new to the forum, I can see how it could become difficult to find something that fits specific needs. I could see splitting that into two or three sub forums as helpful (one for stock based and one or two for CM and AOKP types). It could keep things a little cleaner that way.
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You mean like all the CDMA users flashing international ROMs in spite of the capital letter warning in both sticky sections? This is a developers' forum and not a support site. We cannot idiot-proof every section or the whole site will be convoluted with hundreds of subforums in which most will still not read. Most sites only have one forum per device. This site is very well organized compared to those. Add an L onto another subsection and most will still not read. We have many devices on XDA that work just like this, compatible ROMs and they have to flash correct modem and firmware.
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All of these :good:
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Now that I have a Galaxy Nexus and I'm looking threw to see what's out there to flash. I get to my favorite community here and find out that for whatever reason GSM and LTE models are mixed together in one big cluster f**k that can potentially brick my phone if I don't read the fine print. This is insanely dumb, it poses a potential risk for me even tho I feel I'm a seasoned veteran of the Android flashing community, and to anyone that is completely new to this and doesn't understand the subtle differences of CDMA and GSM. So here I am typing this out trying my damnedest to wrap my mind around WHY XDA DOESN'T CREATE SUB FORUMS FOR EACH TYPE. A lot of other sites do, and it makes the search 1000000x easier to navigate.
So please could some moderator explain to me the reasoning behind having one giant pool of ROMS and mods that are completely different from one another? Is it really that hard to create a sub forum to take you to either the CDMA or GSM version?
I'd like to get some feed back here or am I the only one that is slightly frustrated about this? I mean its completely unorganized and the whole forum just feels really sloppy already.
You're not the first to mention this and, if you searched (cause you're a vet with 47 posts), you'd know the Mods are looking into it
But in essence I agree, or you just hope the threads are labelled correctly (LTE/GSM)
Dude if you used XDA as much as you say you do then you would have done a search on this topic and realized that there are already 2 threads in the last week on this subject.
Mods can we please merge all "Separate GSM/LTE forums" posts.
yeah I did try searching for it, thanks for the most obvious response
but ya know what its hard to find something when I don't know what to call it....
you'll notice that I never used the word separate which is the key word I was missing
so thanks for the ****-ish way you gave me that info it was slightly helpful i guess...
Just for the record I agree with the op. However I'm not too worried about it. This site has given me so much and asked for very little in return. I'm just greatful to have access to all this great info.
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yeah I did try searching for it, thanks for the most obvious response
but ya know what its hard to find something when I don't know what to call it....
you'll notice that I never used the word separate which is the key word I was missing
so thanks for the ****-ish way you gave me that info it was slightly helpful i guess...
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Some veteran. You really can't just look at the title of the thread to see if it says "LTE" or not? The only important threads that should be looked through are on the first two or three pages. Not that hard.
If you seriously brick your phone because you can't figure out whether something is LTE or GSM, you are a bit slow IMO. So far we only have one page of relevant ROMS and mods in dev section and you're already complaining about having trouble finding things when search isn't even necessary. Come on...
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It's because this site is a joke. There are so many things wrong with the way XDA structures and manages these forums. Look at rootzwiki...or even droid forums. The mods actually do their jobs there and make it EASIER for devs to post their work and manage their users problems by preventing/deleting/combining duplicate threads. Both of those forums even provide sub-forums for popular devs to let them manage it as well. And a simple thing like separating the LTE and GSM versions into their own forum was a non-issue at rootzwiki...yet here at XDA it seems we're asking the admins to split the atom.
That's why devs are/have moved to rootzwiki to post their work. Sure they'll copy and paste their topics over here eventually, but the difference is that if you want your post to be read by someone at the developer level, you're probably at the wrong forum. You should have seen the XDA droid bionic forums before everyone packed up and went onto rootz...LOL, it was like the wild west.
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Some veteran. You really can't just look at the title of the thread to see if it says "LTE" or not? The only important threads that should be looked through are on the first two or three pages. Not that hard.
If you seriously brick your phone because you can't figure out whether something is LTE or GSM, you are a bit slow IMO. So far we only have one page of relevant ROMS and mods in dev section and you're already complaining about having trouble finding things when search isn't even necessary. Come on...
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I wasn't talking about myself jackass, there are tons of people out there that have never flashed a phone before and not knowing the difference between GSM and CDMA can be a confusing concept for most. So thanks for trying to make me out to be the jackass when you've accomplished that all on your own.
I'm not having trouble finding anything considering there are only 2-3 ROMs for LTE, but in a month there's going to be 50 pages of crap to sift threw. So that's the problem I see, and the fact that if it was just broken down in to 2 different sub forums from the start would of been something very simple and I just don't see why it wasn't/hasn't been done.
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It's because this site is a joke. There are so many things wrong with the way XDA structures and manages these forums. Look at rootzwiki...or even droid forums. The mods actually do their jobs there and make it EASIER for devs to post their work and manage their users problems by preventing/deleting/combining duplicate threads. Both of those forums even provide sub-forums for popular devs to let them manage it as well. And a simple thing like separating the LTE and GSM versions into their own forum was a non-issue at rootzwiki...yet here at XDA it seems we're asking the admins to split the atom.
That's why devs are/have moved to rootzwiki to post their work. Sure they'll copy and paste their topics over here eventually, but the difference is that if you want your post to be read by someone at the developer level, you're probably at the wrong forum. You should have seen the XDA droid bionic forums before everyone packed up and went onto rootz...LOL, it was like the wild west.
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It may be disorganized and full of duplicate threads, but it is an excellent resource. I have been here since Windows mobile 6, The G1, and a whole slew in android phones... and it is the same story. The devs move to some other site. You get a new phone and everyone comes back to XDA. If more people kept their mouth shut the site would be easier to navigate. I could care less, as I mostly lurk and find what I am looking for. No need to comment in every thread, because it probably wouldn't contribute much.
XDA is a great resource, if you don't like it go to another site and browse their forums.
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It may be disorganized and full of duplicate threads, but it is an excellent resource. I have been here since Windows mobile 6, The G1, and a whole slew in android phones... and it is the same story. The devs move to some other site. You get a new phone and everyone comes back to XDA. If more people kept their mouth shut the site would be easier to navigate. I could care less, as I mostly lurk and find what I am looking for. No need to comment in every thread, because it probably wouldn't contribute much.
XDA is a great resource, if you don't like it go to another site and browse their forums.
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I completely agree, I started flashing my first droid and found everything I needed right here with super helpful devs and a mostly wonderful community that would aid you. I personally don't care what gets posted in General though. I think only dev's should be able to post in the development forum to keep things to a minimum, but if a topic needs to be brought up multiple times to get it done then so be it. That's how things get done if a topic is shoved back into the darkness then it needs to be brought to light over and over til something gets done.
I agree totally, I started using rootz instead because they seperated the 2 devices. Also it should be GSM or CDMA. LTE is GSM. Lots of confusion can happen here.
Is it just me or shouldn't be mandatory to have the dates entered in the titles of threads in the development sections? I know it's mandatory throughout many other device forums, I'm not sure why it isn't on this one, and others that I've seen. I believe is makes everything much easier to follow rather than a sling of rom names and / or version numbers, etc.
I'm on the fence on this because I'm so appreciative of the Devs who support the T989 with quality Roms.
On one hand I think they should run their threads however they like with reason but on the other it would make keeping up with development a whole lot easier.
I remember when the ICS leak dropped I was all kinds of confused (still am a little) on their update frequencies. This made it a bit more difficult to pinpoint a Devs work ethic (which I factor in as well as quality) because it was untimely coupled with posts from anybody bumping threads up for any reason.
M&S has one of the best titles to his threads because he updates the date, and Rom version with titles so I can't miss his from a mile away.
With that said it would be nice to have dates (especially for those who don't frequent XDA daily) or in the least change the Rom versions in the title.
I don't mind searching but it would be quicker/efficient for dates.
Can you imagine when TMob drops the official ICS...
Not sure how Dates will help? Revision is just the same, forcing a Date to be Posted wont make the Revision any newer...
this is imo that is, most times you can just check the last time the posted was edited to know when it was last updated.
eugene373 said:
Not sure how Dates will help? Revision is just the same, forcing a Date to be Posted wont make the Revision any newer...
this is imo that is, most times you can just check the last time the posted was edited to know when it was last updated.
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I don't mind searching a bit to see an OP's timestamp edits.
However, the dates imo help with breaking down a Rom's status quicker by scrolling the forum threads by title without much digging than that.
I think the dates would help those who aren't on XDA much because they can catch up quicker on Rom changes.
Also, I think it's easier for those use the XDA app primarily because (as far as I've searched) it doesn't readily show timestamps for edits in OPs.
I don't view titling threads with dates as increasing development speeds just readily available info. I hope others don't as well, cause great things come over time
The devs don't do enough already...lets add more BS. Dl
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you don't like version number but you want dates. that does not make sense. moving forward a date, is the same as moving up a version number.
Why do all the regular users here keep thinking they know how the show should be run for us devs. We're doing our part for you guys, just do yours and deal with our threads they way we choose to set them up.
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you don't like version number but you want dates. that does not make sense. moving forward a date, is the same as moving up a version number.
Why do all the regular users here keep thinking they know how the show should be run for us devs. We're doing our part for you guys, just do yours and deal with our threads they way we choose to set them up.
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I'm especially amused by this considering the hell storm when the mods tried regulating how regular users post in dev threads
eugene373 said:
Not sure how Dates will help? Revision is just the same, forcing a Date to be Posted wont make the Revision any newer...
this is imo that is, most times you can just check the last time the posted was edited to know when it was last updated.
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the only difference between last modified on the op and a date in the title is that last modified could be fixing a typo or something. imo, revision number is just as good, but one or the other is/should be necessary because just checking the thread title is easy (i.e. i'm lazy). though, some revision numbers are inconsistent. and a date usually makes it easy to tell if something is based off the newest leak or not (which THAT should be mandatory: the android version number and the build/leak it's based off cause i've seen a bunch of roms missing that basic info in the op).
Imposing too many rules on devs who provide a free service is a bad idea. Leave things the way they are.
I vote no.
I think it should be mandatory for users to open a thread and read the op and changelog before asking if there was an update. Derp.
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suggesting rules on someone who is giving away something for free ......
well im sure you can get my drift.
be thankful, and do a little more reading.
To add with previous comment. There is no need to cater to people who want to flash a ROM without reading OP. ROM Manager tried to do this and all that ended up happening is people bricking their device because they got used to flashing without reading and as soon as a International s2 ROM was accidently posted in t989 rom section you had people bricking.
I vote no, the developers can choose to post and manage their threads how they see fit....besides...its not that hard to open up the thread and look at the bottom of the OP and see the last time it was updated...
Yes, yes and yes. Why is it a big deal to let people know by looking at a thread title when it was updated? Why make someone open a thread and search for when it was revised? If you are putting a revision number in there, why not a date? It is not so much imposing a rule as it is a valid suggestion to help the end user. Is it really that big of a request that someone would stop developing because they were asked to put a date in the title? Getting real tired of hearing all the crying about devs doing this for free as well. If you are going to post work on a forum you are going to get requests, you may get criticism, you will definitely get repeat questions and people that have no clue. Yes it is free, and it is on your own time and all that, but no one is forcing anyone to come here either.
I do appreciate the work that is done here, I would probably still be using a cry phone if it wasn't for this community and having the ability to customize my device. So thank you to all the devs that do this because they enjoy doing it.
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Yes, yes and yes. Why is it a big deal to let people know by looking at a thread title when it was updated? Why make someone open a thread and search for when it was revised? If you are putting a revision number in there, why not a date? It is not so much imposing a rule as it is a valid suggestion to help the end user. Is it really that big of a request that someone would stop developing because they were asked to put a date in the title? Getting real tired of hearing all the crying about devs doing this for free as well. If you are going to post work on a forum you are going to get requests, you may get criticism, you will definitely get repeat questions and people that have no clue. Yes it is free, and it is on your own time and all that, but no one is forcing anyone to come here either.
I do appreciate the work that is done here, I would probably still be using a cry phone if it wasn't for this community and having the ability to customize my device. So thank you to all the devs that do this because they enjoy doing it.
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Appreciate the honesty as opposed to voting one way and posting another.
On the other hand I do think its funny but not unexpected that people think it is asking too much to ask people to posts only dev related information in dev topics or not post duplicate questions (ie read before posting) but its not too much to ask for a new rule on devs.
Gimme gimme gimme some more.
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posting trash in dev threads and not being arsed to read thread edit dates and track version numbers of development that interests you are two different things, but both bad habits that users could possess
the fact that every dev posts a change log just makes this suggest even more ridiculous.
Keep micromanaging the devs to death and they will just go elsewhere. It is the truth.
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posting trash in dev threads and not being arsed to read thread edit dates and track version numbers of development that interests you are two different things, but both bad habits that users could possess
the fact that every dev posts a change log just makes this suggest even more ridiculous.
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If the last few weeks have proven anything it is that people dont see those things as bad habits but things to be proud of.
After further deliberation I vote: No
To me Roms/Kernels/etc are like cars/engines/etc. if one is given either for free and it has been proven worldwide that it wont hurt one who uses it...
Wouldn't the model info be enough... I believe so.
Eugene's right, it's not like dates make it fresher.
In fact I think threads without it gives the Rom/Kernel/etc. timelessness.
I love Android/T989 forums.
Its where questions/comments are met with... passion.
Those IOS forums have no clue what they're missing out on. lol
People seem to forget that xda is a knowledge sharing site and those that share shouldn't be slapped with stupid rules and regulations on how they choose to title their work. My 2 cents.
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Hey guys, I've sifted through a few topics trying to figure out a concise state of the state our ICS leaks are in right now - no offense to anyone posting in them, but they haven't really been helpful. Can someone just give me a broad overview of what's going on with the recent ICS leaks?
Particular interests:
What core functionality (camera/GPS/Wifi/4G/etc) is not working or requires deliberate action to work (ex: apparently you need to have a GPS lock before flashing to ICS?)
What ICS-specific functionality (chrome/theming/etc) still isn't functioning properly on our phone that's stood out to you?
Outside of the general risks of flashing rooted pre-release kernels, what other specific threats (ex: EMMC lockup) exist now for flashing to some of the dev-released ICS kernels?
In your personal opinion: are the ICS builds we have now stable enough to be considered daily drivers, or is something OTA-worthy a while away?
I know it's a lot to ask, but it would be really helpful to me (and would probably be worth a big post or sticky in the general forum). Thanks guys.
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Hey guys, I've sifted through a few topics trying to figure out a concise state of the state our ICS leaks are in right now - no offense to anyone posting in them, but they haven't really been helpful. Can someone just give me a broad overview of what's going on with the recent ICS leaks?
Particular interests:
What core functionality (camera/GPS/Wifi/4G/etc) is not working or requires deliberate action to work (ex: apparently you need to have a GPS lock before flashing to ICS?)
What ICS-specific functionality (chrome/theming/etc) still isn't functioning properly on our phone that's stood out to you?
Outside of the general risks of flashing rooted pre-release kernels, what other specific threats (ex: EMMC lockup) exist now for flashing to some of the dev-released ICS kernels?
In your personal opinion: are the ICS builds we have now stable enough to be considered daily drivers, or is something OTA-worthy a while away?
I know it's a lot to ask, but it would be really helpful to me (and would probably be worth a big post or sticky in the general forum). Thanks guys.
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Its really a crap shoot depending on what you flash....if you want basic daily driver, go with the fe22 one click from sfhub. Its stock ics, 4.04, rooted. That's it. Everything works fine.
Most TW based roms have an issue where 4g makes your phone reboot. Doesn't happen to all, but its a known bug.
EMMC is an issue with roms so always flash from el26 kernel+cw.
I never had an issue with GPS, but again others have. If you have one, get a lock on el29 then proceed to flash properly to ics.
Basically if you have been on GB this whole time, it really won't hurt to wait for the official release. All the roms and kernels will be redone at that time anyways. Personally I have loved the following ics roms: agats rom, Frankenstein rom, and aokp/cm9. They're just very different and offer different benefits.
And there is some theming for ics TW builds, just not a lot as I think the themers got tired of all the release updates they had to do.
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daniel4653 said:
Why did you post this? When you only have 6 posts?
READ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thanks for your helpful reply to my question. If you would have bothered to look at my profile, despite the fact that I only have 6 posts (as I'm not a developer and don't have a whole lot of input to make), I've been consistently reading these forums for the past six months as of today.
As I mentioned in my first post, "no offense to anyone posting in them, but [the threads in the general forum about our ICS leaks] haven't really been helpful." I can't link you to the posts in question, since jayharper08 went through and deleted pages of off-topic crap from the threads just recently, but I had spent upwards of a half hour between the search function and looking through threads trying to find up to date answers to these questions and only found pages upon pages of irrelevant off-topic discussion (again, no offense to those posting - long threads go like that sometimes).
None of the posts in the ICS leaks bug squashing thread even mention the GPS, 4G, or etc problems as significant issues - it's informative as to some problems, but it is by no means comprehensive. The Wiki for our phone isn't very updated at all. The EMMC lockup thread is very informative and up to date on that specific issue, but that's it. These (1 2 3 4 5) kernel release threads all don't make any attempt to document the bugs included, except that this one from the start of the month makes a passing mention of the notification bug.
In summary: I've done my due diligence by far before posting a question here. This information simply just hasn't been compiled in a single place for easy reference for the people it matters to - people who haven't yet taken the jump into ICS because of concerns about stability. I don't feel qualified to make that thread myself because, as you can guess by me making this post in the Q&A section, I don't know enough myself to do the topic justice. And something like this isn't easily searchable to find quality results - if you disagree, by all means, please link me to a predictable search or searches that would have told me about these bugs.
Regardless, I don't appreciate you rudely telling me in all caps to "READ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" when you apparently haven't even read the forum rules, which specifically prohibit flaming (2.3) and biting the newbies (2.5), specifically:
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Treat new members the way you would like to have been treated when you were a new member. When dealing with any member, provide them with guidance, advice and instruction when you can and always with respect and courtesy. Never post in a demanding, argumentative, disrespectful or self-righteous manner.
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Thanks dante32278 for trying to be helpful.
they work fine, I havent had any issues at all.. I dont have 4g, because im on boost.. the emmc lockup thing is a bug in the firmware not with the rom, but its a risk anyway, just avoid wiping in recovery, unless you flash to EL26.
also Facebook contact sync doesnt work on aosp roms, but thats a disagreement with google and facebook.
I know this has been talked about before, but how do you guys feel about having two subforums in the Dev forum called "GB Roms/Kernels" and "ICS Roms/Kernels"? Everything that isn't a GB/ICS ROM/kernel stays in the main Dev forum. Seems pretty simple and would keep that place hella more organized and easier to find stuff.
It doesn't require much work; having modded and admin'd vbulletin forums myself, I know you can select multiple threads and move them at once. Something like this could easily be done by one person in less than 30 minutes. I wouldn't mind doing it myself but I don't think the admins and mods would want to trust that sort of power to someone they don't know too well and therefore, naturally don't trust.
What say you?
I would definately be in favor. I see a lot of the other phones sorted into original development and then development. Development being stock/modded ROMs and then original development being anything that was actually created whether it being AOSP or Stock ROMS built from source and whatnot. Now I don't think that would really apply for this phone right now as the AOSP scene isn't that big right now due to source not being available. And when I say not big I mean in comparison to like the Int SGS2 which had like umpteen million AOSP ROMs LOL.
I definitely think some sort of organization would be nice. The only issue I see with a 2.3 and 4.0 split is that the 2.3 side is dwindling fast and before long would be obsolete which would sort of be the same as letting the threads die and fall to the back and that is going to happen no matter what.
Organization is never a bad thing.
+1 on dividing up the dev thread into GB & ICS.
I doubt the moderators will go with it since none of the other devices on XDA that I know of do not do this as well. Maybe we can be a trendsetter. XDA-moderators are like old men and get set in their ways and "iron-fist" policies, so good luck. Great idea though!
-Daryel
I believe u need at least 10 or 1k topics first to divide a section
I know kinda because I think I requested themes and apps be divided on day one
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I believe u need at least 10 or 1k topics first to divide a section
I know kinda because I think I requested themes and apps be divided on day one
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what the hell kind of retarded ass rule is that? just because a forum has 500 threads therefore means that it's organized? our dev section has almost 300 threads. 300. that's a pretty big number of threads. i can understand at least 50 or 100 threads, but a 1k or 10k thread requirement is straight up stupid.
I'm looking for a stable 4.4 which would be as stable as possible. The reason for this is that I use my Nexus for alarm clock and it's really unpleasant if I find it in SOD when I oversleep. I don't really need so much additional features, it's a bonus though, but it's more important that it's fast and bugless.
Are there any or should I stay on Cataclysm 4.3?
Well, you can only reliably know which ROM is the most stable by trying them yourself. That's part of the culture of XDA, to try ROMs from different developers and then to give feedback on them.
As for me, I just installed the latest CM11 nightly and it seems reasonably stable. Will test the battery life and stability for a few more days after installing some apps. Will try XenonHD next if this one isn't stable enough or has poor battery life. The phone does get hot when I'm running heavy applications and games, which is the only problem I have noticed so far.
Im running the CM11 Nightlies as well and cant complain at all. Havent had any issues with any of them. I usually update every couple days to the latest nightly.
If it's just using the device as an alarm, then CM11 nightlies would be quite enough. I've been using my own GNex as an alarm too.
Sent from Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE @ CM11
I've read through several ROM threads that a lot of them have have slowdowns and lags. Is that also the case for CM11? How about other CM based ROMs, like CM-remix?
Can't say much about other roms (aside from CM i've only ever tried AOKP jb-mr2 briefly), i'm on CM11 M2 right now and i can say it's smooth and has no hiccups and lags - much better than stock 4.3 and cm10.2 which i had beforehand.
I'm also using the device as an alarm clock and it works well.
Seriously? How many times do people have to be told that threads like this are against XDA rules. If you want a stable rom then try some roms out yourself and decide what you prefer for yourself. This is a development community meant for people that want to take the initiative to learn and do for themselves not a place for people to have others do their work for them.
Do some reading and you'll surely find the answers you seek.
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I'm looking for a stable 4.4 which would be as stable as possible.
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me too. cant find anything. CM blows, pa has graphics glitches and vanir gives me reboots.
tried em all and they all seem to suck.
4.3 is waaaay smoother for me.
a stock 4.4.2 build would be great.
if anyone finds any decent roms + a good 4.4 kernel (Franco/Faux) or two let me know.
Nephilim, sorry, I thought that it's forbidden to open only general ROM comparison threads, but I'm asking only for the ideas of pretty specific needs. You could also take this thread as a discussion if 4.4 ROMs in general are really stable enough for everyday use.
Not all of us have time to test every build of every ROM, because it would take a bit too much. That's why we have a community here to ask others for their opinion and experiences. At least that's how I imagine it, but of course, I might be wrong.
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not a place for people to have others do their work for them
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what is your problem anyway ?
since when is illegal to ask for some information ? i was also curious for some information about custom roms and i stumbled upon the same message from you several times
if i ask for any useful information.....am i automatically a lazy who prefers to have others do my work ?
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what is your problem anyway ?
since when is illegal to ask for some information ? i was also curious for some information about custom roms and i stumbled upon the same message from you several times
if i ask for any useful information.....am i automatically a lazy who prefers to have others do my work ?
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No it isnt illegal. But these threads are pointless... There is no best ROM so these threads will never be solved/answered. And the devs work hard to build a ROM and then some people in a thread will tell him his ROM sucks and the other one is better.. Its personal preference anyway. And every ROM is stable otherwise they wouldnt be released on xda (except when told otherwise or in beta etc.). Thats the whole point. There are tons of these threads. They are just useless. Just try out a ROM and if it suits your needs be happy and thank the developer and if you arent just move on to the next one.
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No it isnt illegal. But these threads are pointless... There is no best ROM so these threads will never be solved/answered. And the devs work hard to build a ROM and then some people in a thread will tell him his ROM sucks and the other one is better.. Its personal preference anyway. And every ROM is stable otherwise they wouldnt be released on xda (except when told otherwise or in beta etc.). Thats the whole point. There are tons of these threads. They are just useless. Just try out a ROM and if it suits your needs be happy and thank the developer and if you arent just move on to the next one.
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acknowledged, thank you
iconicpaul said:
what is your problem anyway ?
since when is illegal to ask for some information ? i was also curious for some information about custom roms and i stumbled upon the same message from you several times
if i ask for any useful information.....am i automatically a lazy who prefers to have others do my work ?
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My problem is that if you aren't willing to put in the work and try roms yourself you have no business on a development forum. Asking others is just looking for someone else to do the work for you. Threads like this are basically spam because any info you need can be found in the threads made for each rom. If you are asking in a thread like this you are definitely lazy because you obviously dont want to put in the effort of finding the information by reading the rom threads. Mrgnex pretty much said the rest.
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My problem is that if you aren't willing to put in the work and try roms yourself you have no business on a development forum. Asking others is just looking for someone else to do the work for you. Threads like this are basically spam because any info you need can be found in the threads made for each rom. If you are asking in a thread like this you are definitely lazy because you obviously dont want to put in the effort of finding the information by reading the rom threads. Mrgnex pretty much said the rest.
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I'd fully agree with your comments, IF this thread was posted in development section, but it's not, it's in the GENERAL section.
So I don't see why NORMAL users(AKA non-flashaholics) can't freely discuss which ROM they prefer, regardless of stability.
BTW
I've tried out a lot of different/newer ROM's from 4.1 to 4.4.2 yet every time I've still went back to using PA 4.1.2 for over a year now, since no other ROM have the exact same great features I enjoy using daily.
Also I don't see why any Developer would really care if certain people dislike their ROM's, seeing as the whole reason they created one would be because they disliked the other ROM's available and wanted to build one them selves to their liking, many using the same features from other developers, just with their own tweaks.
Which is what I'm thinking I'll have learn to do since every ROM I've tested has some feature that's just not working as I'd like.
You suggesting every user go and test out every ROM just means there will be more individual threads created complaining about every ROM they flash/test.
So don't you think it's better to have 1 or 2 main ROM version threads in the GENERAL section to DISCUSS different individual Rom's in the GENERAL matter?
In other words if you don't really have anything to help out in the thread topic/discussion then just don't view it.
I personally enjoy reading about what others have to say, likely saving me time and headache from having to test out every Rom's myself.
I very much doubt there would be as many Rom's available as there are today if nobody discussed them.
Wasn't that the whole point of having an open sourced android OS?
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I'd fully agree with your comments, IF this thread was posted in development section, but it's not, it's in the GENERAL section.
So I don't see why NORMAL users(AKA non-flashaholics) can't freely discuss which ROM they prefer, regardless of stability.
BTW
I've tried out a lot of different/newer ROM's from 4.1 to 4.4.2 yet every time I've still went back to using PA 4.1.2 for over a year now, since no other ROM have the exact same great features I enjoy using daily.
Also I don't see why any Developer would really care if certain people dislike their ROM's, seeing as the whole reason they created one would be because they disliked the other ROM's available and wanted to build one them selves to their liking, many using the same features from other developers, just with their own tweaks.
Which is what I'm thinking I'll have learn to do since every ROM I've tested has some feature that's just not working as I'd like.
You suggesting every user go and test out every ROM just means there will be more individual threads created complaining about every ROM they flash/test.
So don't you think it's better to have 1 or 2 main ROM version threads in the GENERAL section to DISCUSS different individual Rom's in the GENERAL matter?
In other words if you don't really have anything to help out in the thread topic/discussion then just don't view it.
I personally enjoy reading about what others have to say, likely saving me time and headache from having to test out every Rom's myself.
I very much doubt there would be as many Rom's available as there are today if nobody discussed them.
Wasn't that the whole point of having an open sourced android OS?
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First of all, threads like this would not be constantly deleted by Senior Moderators if they were allowed. Next, I never once said that everyone should go and try every rom. I said that people need to go to the rom threads and READ, if the rom seems like something they would like to try then they should flash it, if not move onto another rom. Next, after flashing the said rom they are trying they can READ the thread pertaining to said rom to find answers to their questions.
You see where I am going here?
There is NO REASON for threads like this. All the information anyone could need can be found in the rom threads. If an individual needs to make a thread like this it just says that they are too lazy to read all the information that is already provided in multiple threads, available to everyone. If you want to discuss a rom then make a community on Google+, I already have done the same. This site is called XDA Developers. If you have questions about a rom then read the thread about the rom and if you do not see the question you have already asked then go ahead and ask it.
If you want to make a thread here in the general section to discuss a rom you have already flashed and are running, that would not be a big issue either but..... Making a thread simply to ask others to tell you which rom is most stable or which rom is the best serve no purpose but to congest areas of XDA with useless spam.
If you are here, you have either rooted your device or plan to, either way if you are here for that then you have enough brains to read and gain knowledge the correct way by doing the legwork yourself.
If the amount of effort you put into trying to debate my legitimate reasons why this thread does not belong was put into discovering roms for yourself then there would never be a need for anyone to make a thread like this.
Bottomline, only lazy people make threads like this and XDA is for forum for adults seeking to enhance their knowledge of mobile development by way of contribution, not a G+ community to request everyone do your work for you while you sit around posting screenshots of your homescreen and icon theme.
Not a thing anyone responds to me with will justify these type of useless threads. Every way you can learn what you need about roms has been mentioned in my posts and none of them require an entire thread dedicated to asking others to give you the answers.
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First of all, threads like this would not be constantly deleted by Senior Moderators if they were allowed. Next, I never once said that everyone should go and try every rom. I said that people need to go to the rom threads and READ, if the rom seems like something they would like to try then they should flash it, if not move onto another rom. Next, after flashing the said rom they are trying they can READ the thread pertaining to said rom to find answers to their questions.
You see where I am going here?
There is NO REASON for threads like this. All the information anyone could need can be found in the rom threads. If an individual needs to make a thread like this it just says that they are too lazy to read all the information that is already provided in multiple threads, available to everyone. If you want to discuss a rom then make a community on Google+, I already have done the same. This site is called XDA Developers. If you have questions about a rom then read the thread about the rom and if you do not see the question you have already asked then go ahead and ask it.
If you want to make a thread here in the general section to discuss a rom you have already flashed and are running, that would not be a big issue either but..... Making a thread simply to ask others to tell you which rom is most stable or which rom is the best serve no purpose but to congest areas of XDA with useless spam.
If you are here, you have either rooted your device or plan to, either way if you are here for that then you have enough brains to read and gain knowledge the correct way by doing the legwork yourself.
If the amount of effort you put into trying to debate my legitimate reasons why this thread does not belong was put into discovering roms for yourself then there would never be a need for anyone to make a thread like this.
Bottomline, only lazy people make threads like this and XDA is for forum for adults seeking to enhance their knowledge of mobile development by way of contribution, not a G+ community to request everyone do your work for you while you sit around posting screenshots of your homescreen and icon theme.
Not a thing anyone responds to me with will justify these type of useless threads. Every way you can learn what you need about roms has been mentioned in my posts and none of them require an entire thread dedicated to asking others to give you the answers.
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I would respectfully disagree. Not everyone has followed the entire course of development for the Galaxy Nexus from the beginning. It is hard to know where to start if you are just now reading up on things (as I am). People are trying to do their research otherwise they would just flash any old thing and then complain when nothing works.
In many other fields (I work in biology) it is very common to have a review article to get people up to speed on a specific topic without them having to read every primary piece of evidence on a topic because that is a lot of needless repetitive work that has already been done. It isn't being lazy. It is being efficient.
I stumbled upon this thread and found it to be EXACTLY what I was looking for and very relevant. Just a quick guide to let me know if it was worth looking into kitkat roms or if (as I suspected) I should stick with Jelly Bean roms for now since stability is also my primary goal. I can't understand the hostile nature towards people trying to educate themselves that seems to permeate xda sometimes...
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I would respectfully disagree. Not everyone has followed the entire course of development for the Galaxy Nexus from the beginning. It is hard to know where to start if you are just now reading up on things (as I am). People are trying to do their research otherwise they would just flash any old thing and then complain when nothing works.
In many other fields (I work in biology) it is very common to have a review article to get people up to speed on a specific topic without them having to read every primary piece of evidence on a topic because that is a lot of needless repetitive work that has already been done. It isn't being lazy. It is being efficient.
I stumbled upon this thread and found it to be EXACTLY what I was looking for and very relevant. Just a quick guide to let me know if it was worth looking into kitkat roms or if (as I suspected) I should stick with Jelly Bean roms for now since stability is also my primary goal. I can't understand the hostile nature towards people trying to educate themselves that seems to permeate xda sometimes...
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Apparently you have not read a word of what I posted.
There is NO reason for these type of posts because all the information you seek on a rom or kernel is in their respective thread. Even if you do not want to use them you still have all the review you need from people on the thread that actually used the rom or kernel, these threads are a copout for lazy people that do not take the time to read where the information is already easily accessible. These types of threads are spam, they are made by people who come to XDA and do not even put a second of time into looking through threads before just expecting that posting a new thread and asking about what is the best will get them all the info they need without any effort.
I have said this many times already, In school, when you have a test or assignment, does your teacher give that test or assignment to you and then immediately hand over the answers? Hell no they don't, they expect you to research and study to find the answers. As adults that is what should be done here as well, otherwise you ultimately learn nothing.
I use the official 4.4.2 gummy build and it is very stable for me and have not encountered any issues.
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I am using VanirAOSP. Its very fast and also stable!