Hey folks,
I've become increasingly concerned with the mods of our forum.
Two kernel projects have been stickied while the americanandroid 35 kernel thread is not nor has tytungs kernel. One of the currently stickied is even essentially a branch of the 35 project that marc1706 (good buddy) began expanding.
As for another issue, the stickied list of roms / kernels thread etc has never included AmeriCanAndroid even weeks after it was brought to the OPs attention. We feel that ignoring our request to be included on the list has partially steered away potential users.
If a mod can rectify these issues it would be awesome.
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warrenb213 said:
Hey folks,
I've become increasingly concerned with the mods of our forum.
Two kernel projects have been stickied while the americanandroid 35 kernel thread is not nor has tytungs kernel. One of the currently stickied is even essentially a branch of the 35 project that marc1706 (good buddy) began expanding.
As for another issue, the stickied list of roms / kernels thread etc has never included AmeriCanAndroid even weeks after it was brought to the OPs attention. We feel that ignoring our request to be included on the list has partially steered away potential users.
If a mod can rectify these issues it would be awesome.
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A pm to forum mods and if required senior mod would have been more appropriate i guess, but since the thread is here now, i guess yeah, the sticky threads should be revised before being accepted as sticky ? or some form of public vote instead of sole admin/mod decision ?
Rick_1995 said:
A pm to forum mods and if required senior mod would have been more appropriate i guess, but since the thread is here now, i guess yeah, the sticky threads should be revised before being accepted as sticky ? or some form of public vote instead of sole admin/mod decision ?
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Or perhaps a kernel subforum with no stickies? Only reason I didn't pm a mod is because I'm on my phone so I can't get to the mod list....that and because I'm pretty sure at some point a mod saw two posts by me asking for this fair treatment in a couple of these threads as did the OP of the roms /kernel list as I was responded to by that OP without rectifying the issue.
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I remember when a person from your team totally raged at me because your rom wasn't added to my compilation thread.. I had clearly written that people could PM me if they wanted their roms in my list..
Now this ? If you want your kernel stickied, PM a moderator. We can't expect everything to just happen, we must participate ourselves.
+ remember, there are 40+ roms and many kernels out there, so a mod could have easily have missed seeing your kernel thread.
btw, this should be in Q&A
btw 2. tytungs kernel has been stickied.. and it is included in most of the roms.. so if people wants it, it shouldn't be so hard to find it.
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My compilation thread is stickied, so if people are looking for kernels, they can find yours in my thread
yz.hd said:
I remember when a person from your team totally raged at me because your rom wasn't added to my compilation thread.. I had clearly written that people could PM me if they wanted their roms in my list..
Now this ? If you want your kernel stickied, PM a moderator. We can't expect everything to just happen, we must participate ourselves.
+ remember, there are 40+ roms and many kernels out there, so a mod could have easily have missed seeing your kernel thread.
btw, this should be in Q&A
btw 2. tytungs kernel has been stickied.. and it is included in most of the roms.. so if people wants it, it shouldn't be so hard to find it.
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My compilation thread is stickied, so if people are looking for kernels, they can find yours in my thread
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It was me yz, and I didn't rage I more like pointed it out and also made the point that the list seemed a bit redundant considering the nature of the forum thread lists already in existence.
I do appreciate the response.
Thanks
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warrenb213 said:
It was me yz, and I didn't rage I more like pointed it out and also made the point that the list seemed a bit redundant considering the nature of the forum thread lists already in existence.
I do appreciate the response.
Thanks
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Didn't see your thread in 1. / 2. page.. that's why I didn't include it. Sending a PM to me wouldn't be that hard.
i just think that mods are uninformed...
yz.hd said:
Didn't see your thread in 1. / 2. page.. that's why I didn't include it. Sending a PM to me wouldn't be that hard.
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Dear yz.hd, the mods are humans and can fail, but this is unfair, as was Warren starting development with the new kernel base wich is a success now, and tytungs kernel were always a big support of a huge quantity of roms, so would be good to see the work of this 2 fellas sticked too, I remember that this was already mentioned awhile back..
Its not a critic, we appreciate all the work that you guys do for us, its only a point out to improve our forums, and we now that they are huge, so is a big task, but kernel development is very important for hd2 development..
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Dear yz.hd, the mods are humans and can fail, but this is unfair, as was Warren starting development with the new kernel base wich is a success now, and tytungs kernel were always a big support of a huge quantity of roms, so would be good to see the work of this 2 fellas sticked too, I remember that this was already mentioned awhile back..
Its not a critic, we appreciate all the work that you guys do for us, its only a point out to improve our forums, and we now that they are huge, so is a big task, but kernel development is very important for hd2 development..
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well, I would rather want none of the kernels to be stickied then.. A lot of good kernels out there. If people wants to install a kernel, they can search.. or check the compilation thread.
Would be unfair (as it is now) if a kernel gets stickied, an one doesn't.. (I understand you)
BUT warrenb haven't PM'ed a mod. We can't expect the mods to read all the post that are being posted. That would just be wrong.
I'm going to be controversial here and say that the mods are fully aware that certain kernels are being stickied. In fact, NRGZ has stickied the SBryan Kernel even though it was queried as to why that should be stickied as important and others such as Marc's/Warrens and Tytungs hasn't.
This is always bound to happen when you sticky certain things and not others. My personal view is that these should be in a wrap up thread like what yz.hd has created and not stickied, else you clog up the 1st page with sticky's.
This is not a slight on NRGZ as this guy is a legend in the HD2 world but this sort of argument is a consequence of poor management.
Mods please take note and give all the devs equal respect for their work.
I'll look into this. Closing the thread off. Any further issues on this should be done in PM.
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To start off.. as if its not obvious enough (if this isnt dev thread worthy) Im an xda forum noob. But familiar with roms and kernels etc.
I have #0004 hardware, white, Evo. Flashed warm twopointtwo RLS5, which is my favorite so far. Ive tried manymanymany kernels and yet no camera (i open camera app and i get just a black screen). All kingx kernels past #7. Netarchy more aggressive v7 and ziggy kernels and more. Ziggy and stock are the only ones that have working cameras... but suck up battery..
Are there any camera fixes, or ROMS as fast as kingx that should fix my problem
p.s. dont tell me i need to wipe my caches, ive tried that...
cauk's format all.zip or whatever doesnt work.
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as if its not obvious enough (if this isnt dev thread worthy) Im an xda forum noob.
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So you know you're doing it wrong but decided to post anyway?
Jesus just help the man out, rather than being counterproductive and just flaming him for posting in the wrong area.
As for the issue, search up some ROMS where people are reporting camera to work for hardware #0004.
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So you know you're doing it wrong but decided to post anyway?
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i think it IS worthy of this category considering it needs developement level help, and the answer isnt anywhere else. but there are always haters.
questions are meant for the Questions section. simple as that. people just cant seem to grasp that concept.
Ive seen this problem reported by many in the myn thread, wanted a separate discussion since its not getting solved there... and i as well as others with this problem am very attached to myn's masterpiece
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questions are meant for the Questions section. simple as that. people just cant seem to grasp that concept.
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this is hardly a frequently asked question, but a dev discussion (hopefully, if i get to stop defending my validity)
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this is hardly a frequently asked question, but a dev discussion (hopefully, if i get to stop defending my validity)
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Again, this isnt a question section nor a discussion section. It is a section meant for developers to post their work.
If you do have a question about someone's work, ask it in the corresponding thread, not create a whole new one to clutter the forums.
I consider this less clutter considering it came from a thread of almost 4 thousand pages. And I was unaware that this was just for posting work, hard to tell since it isn't labeled such. So if this really isn't going anywhere. Let this post be deleted -_-
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nilesskate2 said:
i think it IS worthy of this category considering it needs developement level help, and the answer isnt anywhere else. but there are always haters.
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It still shouldn't go here. But from his post he obviously wasn't sure. So just help him and move the thread.
dude... you need a kernel based off htc 15. thats why all the nets sbc v7's (which are built on older kernels) dont work. flash one of net's newest (4.3+) kernels or stock htc 15 and dont post in the wrong section.
I have posted in the wrong thread before myself. Its amazing how many people are waiting to flame someone for it.
If flashing a different kernel doesn't work you can try flashing this. Just make sure you backup first.
Myn's RL5 actually comes with htc kernel #15, did that kernel not work for you?
There were a few people with 004 models having issues with VirusZ rom and the 004 cam fix solved their issues.
aha. this thread adds nothing to the development community. It belongs in his thread or q&a.
Try the camera fix posted by calk.
I just tried netarchys most recent kernel (as a flamer suggested) which works.. and now I'm baffled as to why nothing else works including kingxs latest... and BTW, it did work on 15, but there were so many problems with it i couldn't use it
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nilesskate2 said:
I just tried netarchys most recent kernel (as a flamer suggested) which works.. and now I'm baffled as to why nothing else works including kingxs latest... and BTW, it did work on 15, but there were so many problems with it i couldn't use it
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Not all phones like all kernels... its just how it is.
You set your self up to be flamed. have no one but yourself to blame
dmoses1969 said:
There were a few people with 004 models having issues with VirusZ rom and the 004 cam fix solved their issues.
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I've tried that fix on multiple kernels, a couple times it fixed the camera.
but everytime it caused glitchy vertical lines at every screen
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As a last comment before I let this thread die, by letting flamers flame, and moderators moderate. How about you folks not complain about posts like mine and instead, You rally for a subtitle under the development forum link that states "do not use any initiative to get valid problems solved here, do not discuss with development familiar folks about development level problems as this title suggests.. but DO use it for posting your software... nothing else"
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Wow White Knights made it out pretty early in this thread.
It's really simple. Big sticky that says this isn't Q&A. This is Q&A and no ROM development or Android development. It's someone who knows better, posting a Question in the Development section. If you have a question about a specific ROM, suck it up like everyone else and ask in that thread.
Follow the rules.
Back to the White Knights: Stop defending people who break the rules. This protect the ignorant mentality is baffling.
Sadly, answering these questions just leads to more and more cluttering crap in the development threads making it harder to find stuff than it already is.
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You rally for a subtitle under the development forum link that states "do not use any initiative to get valid problems solved here, do not discuss with development familiar folks about development level problems as this title suggests.. but DO use it for posting your software... nothing else
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Uh dude, there has always been a big STICKY on this forum that says exactly what you just said. "Thread DELETED/Locked??? This is DEVELOPMENT section not Q&A/General!!!!"
And once more like has been said time and time again. If you have an issue with a ROM, suck it up like the rest of us and post in that ROM Dev's forum or PM them.
Title says it all. I would donate for this. Its droid x 2.3.3 with new blur.
Heres a link
http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...-5-596-release-thread-something-everyone.html
Dude I think you should've posted this in the general section but whatever. Ask Virus he's the best at porting roms from what I've seen
I'm already downloading it...shouldn't take too long
Vinchenzop said:
I'm already downloading it...shouldn't take too long
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Thank u sir. Remember if u get it done a donation will head ur way
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I find it funny that if a newbie posts something in the wrong section, a million "Senior Members" jump on him/her like crazy but you "Clark44" can do it and everyone's cool with it just because you say you're going to donate if someone ports yet ANOTHER rom you like....hahaha...I'm not going to sit here and try to police the forums but looks like there's a double standard here!
this is contributing to development not asking why my ___________ doesnt work or How to you ____________
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this is contributing to development not asking why my ___________ doesnt work or How to you ____________
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OK....Now I'm not trying to start anything here BUT what I got from what you said was that as long as you ask for a rom to be port over that is OK to post in the development section?
Now like I said before, I'm not trying to police this forum or any forum for that matter but I was just saying how I've seen there's a double standard for things like this. Last time I checked, rules are rules right? I'm not on here to gain any friends or make any enemies but I don't like how people jump on newbies for common mistakes but is cool if a so called senior member make mistakes......
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I find it funny that if a newbie posts something in the wrong section, a million "Senior Members" jump on him/her like crazy but you "Clark44" can do it and everyone's cool with it just because you say you're going to donate if someone ports yet ANOTHER rom you like....hahaha...I'm not going to sit here and try to police the forums but looks like there's a double standard here!
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Clark44 also contributes to the forum instead of just leaching, plus he has an awesome avatar.
Although it does seem like anytime a new ROM for another phone gets released it gets posted here before it does in their own section.
Guys chill. Vinchen is going to see what he can do but most of the time we work together. I dont just ask for something and expect it to come out of no where at any time. I actually contribute so can this not be about me and become about the ROM??
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clark44 said:
Guys chill. Vinchen is going to see what he can do but most of the time we work together. I dont just ask for something and expect it to come out of no where at any time. I actually contribute so can this not be about me and become about the ROM??
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Is cool dude...I didn't mean to attack you or anything like that! I was just airing out what I see here in this forum lately and it just happen that you posted this and I saw no one jumped on you like they do on the newbies.
No hard feelings....I hope! AND yeah, I agree with you....let's get talking about the ROM.
mazdarider23 said:
I find it funny that if a newbie posts something in the wrong section, a million "Senior Members" jump on him/her like crazy but you "Clark44" can do it and everyone's cool with it just because you say you're going to donate if someone ports yet ANOTHER rom you like....hahaha...I'm not going to sit here and try to police the forums but looks like there's a double standard here!
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hmm porting = dev work
CheesyNutz said:
hmm porting = dev work
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Stay on topic lol
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Funny how good and good intentions can quickly go south!!!!
T.E.A.M.W.O.R.K.
Hmmmm!
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Hmmmm!
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Lol i see a port comin from our king
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eVoKINGS said:
Hmmmm!
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Have at it king, I took a quick stab and i think its the updater script that came with the rom...didn't seem to be flashing right...but its 4 am and I've got alot of work tomorrow, so...night everyone
Please be aware that porting is serious work! Will give it a shot no promises! Alot is envolved! Thanks
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This would be sweet ! My girlfriends got a Droid x and it would be funny to get her update before her LOL. I think it will be mostly hardware issue that the devs will have to face when porting this. It would be really cool to play with a blur phone LOL
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I'm already downloading it...shouldn't take too long
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+1 on that port I was checking it out I would like to see what this would be like on an Evo btw I'm on the Skyraider port this thing is amazing I usually don't run I ROM with no 4g but I love this ROM and I'm living without it.
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Just to clear things up, this isn't actually a Dev thread. It's a request, and therefore should not be in dev.
General - general technical discussion items, news, anything else that does not fit into the other fora categories.
Q&A (Questions and Answers) - all questions, irrespective of type, get posted in here whether they be theme related, accessory related, technical, etc.
Accessories - any items to do with components and/or accessories relating to your device.
Rom Development - only meant for very advanced technical discussion directly related to ROM development activity and the delivery of actual ROMs and ROM components ONLY. Nothing else goes in here.
Themes & Apps - anything to do directly with the development of themes and/or applications. Nothing else goes in here.
MOD EDIT: BEFORE POSTING ANY THREAD IN THE DEVELOPMENT SECTION, PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING:
If you have developed a ROM, or are working with others to do so, the development forum is somewhere to discuss and share ideas, post useful feedback and logs or crash dumps, and to discuss a common goal developers are trying to achieve.
It is NOT the place to post your question because it gets higher traffic, or because more experienced users frequent it. Doing this just annoys those who are working on the device, and drives them away. Developers don't want to wade through 20 threads of "Help me urgently" to find their threads for porting and fixing camera issues etc. Similarly, if a thread is designated as discussion for developers say, porting a camera fix, please do not post in there asking "When will it be ready?", "Can I flash this yet?" etc. This is both completely disrespectful to those working on the project (you evidently haven't read the important posts in the thread), and also is making it harder for developers to find comments from other developers or testers when required.
Similarly, don't make loads of "Thanks for your work here" posts in an active development thread. It's just as annoying to developers as asking when something will be ready. If a ROM is complete, then go ahead and thank the developer if you wish, but don't go into threads for devs only, and interrupt it to post "thanks". It's basically spamming, and is treated as such.
If you are posting in development, you should have read every sticky and notice there, and should be actively developing or helping in the development of something. Developing isn't installing a ROM, or using a tweak, it's creating a ROM or other hack or tweak. If you haven't read for several days before starting out on XDA, you are likely about to ask something already solved. I registered on XDA when I first wanted to post, and that was to join in a discussion on something. Sure, join up and ask a question, but read the information available in General and Q&A first, as your question will have been asked before. Search is your friend here, become familiar with it.
Regarding when to post in development if you are not actually developing something, there is one occasion where it's acceptable. If you find a leak of a new ROM, which isn't already posted, and you verify it's legitimacy via either running it, or based on the source you obtained it from, then this is assisting in development, and should be posted in development. If you want to ask when a leak will be available use search first, then if not already in discussion, open a thread in general or Q&A.
If you have a problem flashing a ROM, this is NOT related to development. It's up to you to determine if it is specific to a particular ROM, and post useful information in that developer's existing thread for the ROM. If it happens on more than one ROM, and isn't a known issue (remember you should read several times more words than you post), then find out what you are doing wrong. Check guides written by others, try to repeat the problem and see if it happens every time. Something needs to be reproducible to be fixed effectively.
Once you have identified what you need help with go to the device Q&A forum (general if device lacks one), and make a clear, informative thread that explains the issue, and what you have tried doing to fix it. Did you re-download the ROM? Did you ask a friend to flash it for you, to reduce chance of user error? What steps (exactly) did you follow? What errors did you see (exact wording)? Did you double check all the steps? Did you do a wipe or hard reset?
If you make a clear, concise, yet detailed post, you will find help forthcoming, and should get the problem sorted very quickly. If someone suggests you try something, report back on what happened, did it work etc. Then, next time someone has this issue and searches, they will find this and have a verified and tested solution.
So remember... before you start a thread in development, ask yourself what you are developing. If you can't answer, then stop, step away from the post button, and think about where you are posting. Would it be better in General or Q&A, or is some more time with your best friend, search, required?
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Tiny and Chad,
Let me first start off by saying I love you guys. Since your development of your kernels for the droid incred the DINC has never ever been a faster better device so thank you.
BUT!!!! You need to update the kernel to support HWA for ICS ROMS. I have been using AOKP ROMS (link: http://forum.aokp.co/page/news) for my DINC instead of preludedrews and moongoosehelixs because their ROMS do not allow me to use your kernel. But their ROMS come with a stock kernel that supports HWA which lets me use Chrome Beta and among other things such as youtube. Being that I have supported you guys for almost 2 years and even donated I am calling you out to fix this finally and once again become the top kernel provider for the DINC. If it takes a donation and donations from your followers (which I am sure there is many) then so be it.
Please please make this happen your kernel is uncanny and I would love to rube it in the faces of those that use that terrible kernel that does not support anything even fast charge..cough (tiamat)...not to mention terrible battery life and very very very veee rrr yyyy slow
With love Martin
EDIT: in no way am I bashing other kernel developers this post was meant to be fun and grab the attention of my favorite kernel developers chad/tiny...
Adding HWA to the Incredikernel series breaks GB compatibility, something very important given that 40-60% of Android devices run Gingerbread as of this posting.
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Adding HWA to the Incredikernel series breaks GB compatibility, something very important given that 40-60% of Android devices run Gingerbread as of this posting.
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Well they maintain a working sense/aosp kernel why not maintain a sense/aosp/ics kernel ya know? I mean I am no kernel developer so I do not understand the time/hard work that it takes ( I am sure it is long hours of coding) but this kernel is a GOD kernel to use DINC users I would just love to see it have working HWA and I miss chad....never here from the guy anymore...
Wow... So many things wrong with this post:
1) Wrong Section - if it's not some development to share, it doesn't belong in a thread here. Read the rules.
2) Never ask for ETAs - Cyanogenmod's #1 rule, but a good practice to follow with all devs.
3) Demanding a free service from developers who donate their time is wrong
4) Using donations as leverage is wrong. You donated because of their GB kernels, not for future work. They are under no obligation to continue dedicating their lives for any donation amount that would be given on XDA
5) The general rule of the dev community is: If it isn't there, try to learn for yourself and share it with everyone! If not, patiently wait or make kind suggestions in the thread. Do NOT created a new thread with very many demanding words.
I don't think chad or tiny would get offended by this thread, even though it's posted in the wrong section, would likely be better served in the actual thread for the kernel or maybe PMing tiny or chad (and tiny is way more active for the dINC).
But agreed I think it would be a good idea to just separate GB and ICS kernels to improve them both easier and without making sure they are both compatible with each other.
It's all up to the DEV's though, they're the ones doing all the hard work so they can do whatever they wanna do!
No need to ask. I've already given thought to this and pmed chad for assistance. But I don't much like the title or the op. It screamed demand to me. I get that internet sarcasm is sometimes hard to catch.
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Questions or Problems Should Not Be Posted in the Development Forum
Please Post in the Correct Forums & Read the Forum Rules
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So why are we the only forum that has to have 40 generals for each rom, why are we not like every other phone where the chat about the rom is done in development? I feel this could alleviate a lot of the "RentaMods." Since i found it to be an easy way to find solutions to many issues... for example the galaxy nexus there roms they don't have 5 different threads for one rom... guess where people talk about the developers rom... in the developer thread... guys i know this is earth-shattering stuff... but let's just keep it simple one thread one rom.
I await my ban with GLORY, but i consider this development since it is essential to our community at e4gt xda since it is causing problems between many users.
this rom is the bomb!!
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So why are we the only forum that has to have 40 generals for each rom, why are we not like every other phone where the chat about the rom is done in development? I feel this could alleviate a lot of the "RentaMods." Since i found it to be an easy way to find solutions to many issues... for example the galaxy nexus there roms they don't have 5 different threads for one rom... guess where people talk about the developers rom... in the developer thread... guys i know this is earth-shattering stuff... but let's just keep it simple one thread one rom.
I await my ban with GLORY, but i consider this development since it is essential to our community at e4gt xda since it is causing problems between many users.
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I believe this belongs in development too. Because in a way you are Developing a better community.
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riggggght this belongs in dev, isnt this just like trying to be the forum police?? arent there already rules of the forum (stickied at the top of each section) that should take care of this...
as for this whole idea that talking in a dev thread should be fine, most of the chatter is the same damn questions every three pages! if everyone would not be lazy and again follow the forum rules 3/4's of most threads wouldnt exist.
my point is why do we seem to be the only phone that has a clusterfuck of twenty threads instead of a clusterfuck of one thread?
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riggggght this belongs in dev, isnt this just like trying to be the forum police?? arent there already rules of the forum (stickied at the top of each section) that should take care of this...
as for this whole idea that talking in a dev thread should be fine, most of the chatter is the same damn questions every three pages! if everyone would not be lazy and again follow the forum rules 3/4's of most threads wouldnt exist.
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Furthermore devs can request their threads be only development only, like the case of the CM9 thread, but why would we respect their wishes?
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ethandissi said:
my point is why do we seem to be the only phone that has a clusterfuck of twenty threads instead of a clusterfuck of one thread?
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i dont see why it matters what the general or q&a sections look like or amount of threads, thats what they are there for. why should everyone have the right to turn a dev thread into a clusterfuck?? as for the rest of the forums i only frequent the nook color section and the dev section is HEAVILY moderated and respected
I came from the EVO ROM section it's not half as ridiculous as this forum when it comes to being watched. I don't think I ever posted in the general section for a ROM. Yes the questions get redundant but most of the time it's just as easy to answer the question as it is to ***** that it's in the wrong section or that it's a frequently answered question. Not to mention that a lot of people troll these roms from tapatalk or the xda apps which offers virtually no convenient search functionality. yes Google works but not half as well a everyone acts like it does. It took me 30 minutes to search for a specific thing that had been "talked about frequently" in the forum through google. but could have been answered easily enough and in less time then it took to post a lmgtfy link. it's a forum people are going to ask questions it's the purpose of the site period.
All it comes down to is this.
Certain devs request certain guidelines for their development threads.
Do they have the right to request that?
I think so.
And being as the devs make the community, their wishes should be respected.
Not ignored and spit on.
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Plus have you looked at the general section lately? People post **** about iPads.....iPads! Which have absolutely nothing to do with e4gt at all! fav modems, games, stupid **** that has no specifics about a particular rom at all. Random rants who wants to dig through that kind of **** to find an answer to a question that a developer or senior member who has been in the forum for a bit can answer in a short conscious answer. I answer plenty of noob questions because I know a while ago I was in the same place.
I don't consider myself a "DEVELOPER" but I've posted couple of roms.
I don't want to have multiple threads for my roms because it will take more time from me to follow all of them.
I think, if you have questions, bug reports, problems with my rom you should ask, talk, report them in rom thread so the members of the forum who use my development can find all the questions and answers in one thread.
And it's easier for me to keep eye on all problems related to my rom.
Just my $0.02.
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this rom is the bomb!!
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THANKS!
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This is exactly the type of junk which QA and General are trying to keep out of the Dev forums..
And now we have one more!!! [idea]:what:
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This ROM is giving me the blue led light of death!
This thread is a travesty.
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OP has a point... in the OG epic forums most threads had just the dev thread, and the threads could be really helpful and relatively BS free, like midNIGHT, or 500 pages of insanity like viper or ACS... but really there wasnt ever ROM threads in general. I assumed this was an EVO thing, as I had heard that forum was nuts with kids posting inane crap and flaming... idunno. It seems like this phone attracts a lot of disgruntled people... tons of minimodding and attitude... sad really. Its not like the community for this phone is so big that we cant keep out dev threads relatively clutter free, but some members choose to flame everyone who asks a ROM RELATED question in the ROM thread... makes no sense. If you REALLY feel you need to censor and judge the validity of every post in the precious Dev section, DONT respond with another post, ignore them till someone helpful (theres usually one or two who 'troll' every rom helping people out... bastards...) answers their question, and YOU flag the oh so offensive post and even PM a mod, maybe we will get a clearer picture that the minimodding creates WAY more posts than the questions or occasional side topic.
Also, I think this is a little different now, as back on the OG Epic, a lot of dev discussion was done in the threads, not IRC (I havent been in a chatroom since like '99) or ROM specific websites, or PM.... everyone was involved. Really if you weed out everything that isnt ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT of the given ROM in a thread, you would have about two pages... so whats the point of the Dev section? I think theres a lot of much undeserved elitism going on where people dont want to be bothered by all the tapatalk notifications because someone else has a question... try just actually looking at the thread and see if theres an update to the OP or something... but lighten up... this phone has a lot of stick up the ass people... get over yourself.
To be honest, I pretty much only see 2 threads at most for a given rom, one in general and one in development. If you hear of a general thread being referred to, then it shouldn't be hard to find and use it.
Want to hear ironic? For whatever reason, the general thread gets ignored, so the dev thread is overrun. Where do people move to continue development, teamwork, and quality help? The general thread.
When did you first see the aokp rom? :sly:
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I agree with OP about the need for only one thread. I've been on Xda since the G1 days...never seen anything like it. Problem is that Android is more widespread these days...means lots of newbs.
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agat63 said:
I don't consider myself a "DEVELOPER" but I've posted couple of roms.
I don't want to have multiple threads for my roms because it will take more time from me to follow all of them.
I think, if you have questions, bug reports, problems with my rom you should ask, talk, report them in rom thread so the members of the forum who use my development can find all the questions and answers in one thread.
And it's easier for me to keep eye on all problems related to my rom.
Just my $0.02.
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And if would have read earlier in the thread you'd see that the decision to have two threads (one for questions and such and another for development) is totally up to the developer of the ROM himself.
While some don't want that, others do.
And I don't see what's so hard about complying with what they want.
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Can we make the development section only accessible to rom developers? That will stop all the questions and clutter in the development section and will force people to ask questions in the q&a and will have it so if people wanna thank the development they just hit the thank you button instead of posting it.
I think it would be cleaner. Since only devs can post they can help each other out and post relevant code and hacks.
What does everyone think?
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I think it's a great idea as long as the devs post a 2nd thread in Q&A for us.
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I don't speak for the dev's but from what I've read they seem to get helped by user comments. Now the random thanks and "OMG"s are useless but I think user comments are very helpful, lets developers identify bugs faster and see if there is a bug that develops if a user installs in a certain way or not...
I don't think this approach would be feasible. Mainly, how do you define someone as a developer? Many people have all sorts of working knowledge regarding Linux and Android and can provide valuable information to ROM developers yet they themselves would not be considered a developer.
Furthermore, developers tend to want feedback regarding bugs and workaround for their ROM's.
Just my 2 cents.
Some of the devs don't mind the comments and want as much feedback as they can get so I vote no
This thread is about as useful the posts it's griping about.
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there is nothing wrong with the dev section now besides some users lack self control. if a dev wants the thread to be dev only and has a Q&A thread then practice good judgement and self control and use the Q&A thread if needed.
I don't mind users posting in my threads in the dev section but that's just me.
I don't feel crippling the functionality of a forum board to stop people who practice poor judgement and cannot follow directions from posting, is a good idea for the community as a whole.
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there is nothing wrong with the dev section now besides some users lack self control. if a dev wants the thread to be dev only and has a Q&A thread then practice good judgement and self control and use the Q&A thread if needed.
I don't mind users posting in my threads in the dev section but that's just me.
I don't feel crippling the functionality of a forum board to stop people who practice poor judgement and cannot follow directions from posting, is a good idea for the community as a whole.
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how does one become a dev if they just start deving or has yet to gain RD status?
Totally not needed. If a dev only wants 1 page for their thread they can immediately close the thread and just update the OP when there is a new update. Might as well tell the devs just PM each other lol. not trying to come off mean, but giving some blunt scenarios.
I just feel it would be sort of like a dev only hang out where aspiring developers or can get constructive feedback from fellow developers.
For example let's say someone new has a rom they want to put on the development section. They first post it in the general section, then after a certain "review" process by the xda members it gets upgraded into the development section.
I'm not saying the dev section is bad, but I feel as this is a dev forum, it only makes sense that devs have their own section to discuss codes and hacks, where they can mutually grow and learn.
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Teo032 said:
how does one become a dev if they just start deving or has yet to gain RD status?
Totally not needed. If a dev only wants 1 page for their thread they can immediately close the thread and just update the OP when there is a new update. Might as well tell the devs just PM each other lol. not trying to come off mean, but giving some blunt scenarios.
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Or what about the users like me who just do things on occasion and have chose to not get "Dev" status. want to throw me out in the cold?
Like i said above, with explanation. this is not a good idea and should not be deployed in any form.
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Or what about the users like me who just do things on occasion and have chose to not get "Dev" status. want to throw me out in the cold?
Like i said above, with explanation. this is not a good idea and should not be deployed in any form.
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Well they can have sort of like a "coder" status where you would be able to contribute. I think what I'm trying to get to is having the dev section be mostly about helping other devs and improving roms rather than "thanks a bunch, this is my dd ". I'd want to be able to enter a rom thread and just see information about the rom, improvements that have been made, and when people are replying , they are exchanging ideas on how to fix certain bugs.
I think pm'ing is okay, but not everyone can learn how the process works. And someone like me for example that's trying to learn how to develop roms won't be able to follow the development conversation.
It seems I'm the only one that feels this way I guess.
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Well they can have sort of like a "coder" status where you would be able to contribute. I think what I'm trying to get to is having the dev section be mostly about helping other devs and improving roms rather than "thanks a bunch, this is my dd ". I'd want to be able to enter a rom thread and just see information about the rom, improvements that have been made, and when people are replying , they are exchanging ideas on how to fix certain bugs.
I think pm'ing is okay, but not everyone can learn how the process works. And someone like me for example that's trying to learn how to develop roms won't be able to follow the development conversation.
It seems I'm the only one that feels this way I guess.
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I get what you're saying, but in the long run it will be more counter productive to the dev community then people posting "thanks this is my dd"
Or yaldak who has less than 100 hundred posts clearly this is harder than people self regulating and posting q and as
I would be disappointed to see the dev forums go to strictly dev's. I am relatively new to xda. I do not make unnecessary comments and I have donated to 2 devs as an appreciation of their work. I also like to keep up on what is working with new roms or not. It is really the beauty of Android that devs are able to do this at all. Establishing the rules of who could post in such a forum would be interesting as well. maybe stickies at the beginning of each dev forum (i haevn't looked to see if its there) to show how to do log cats might be more helpful and allow the rest of us to provide solid feedback instead of "Thanks" or "thanks...this is my DD" maybe a separate button for This is my daily driver would eliminate a lot of the crap?
What I want to know is how many threads do we need about not posting rhetoric in the dev section, how to regulate the forums, etc...? In the end, this is the same rhetoric clogging other sections.
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What I want to know is how many threads do we need about not posting rhetoric in the dev section, how to regulate the forums, etc...?
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They probably would go away if threads like the more roms more roms didn't appear in the dev section where the op posted a question in the wrong section then didn't feel like owning up to it so he proceeded to be a jerk to xraver and other posters.
Personally I like the dev board just the way it is
That is the reason I made this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1592170
Update: oops...didnt mean the above link
Meant the ics read me first topic
Not to be over dramatic, but to just help people get started and answer some common questions. The "thanks" posts, while plentiful, are a good thing to me personally because it tells me how many people are having a good experience with the ROM and/or mod. I don't like to shun users in threads; I feel that I do not need to police them. No matter what mechanism we put in place people will still make these posts. That is why we have moderators, to take care of the problem when it gets out of hand. And that is why--when being an OP in the Dev section-- its good to be very detailed and verbose (but not over complex!)
Just my 2 cents, and my personal policy on my own topics.
I am strongly against limiting the dev boards to devs only. I am completely for helping cut down redundancy.
I think that each dev should have control over there threads. Some like the thanks some think its a waste. I side with both, i will say that the devs that do not want thanks as posts should make that clear in the op. The only problem with the threads is there is way to many pages to read thru for sometimes nothing about the rom. I say to fix this someone somehow should keep the op uptodate with any issue that comes up. Now none has to read all the pages to get the info and i know its a lot to ask but its just a thought.
I have always thought the that if you aren't posting a log cat to the bug you speaking about, it's not helping the dev that much. IMO, and I know it don't mean much, if you aren't posting a log cat, don't post in the rom thread. Q&A threads can handle everything else.
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