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Can someone port this?

Title says it all. I would donate for this. Its droid x 2.3.3 with new blur.
Heres a link
http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...-5-596-release-thread-something-everyone.html

Dude I think you should've posted this in the general section but whatever. Ask Virus he's the best at porting roms from what I've seen

I'm already downloading it...shouldn't take too long

Vinchenzop said:
I'm already downloading it...shouldn't take too long
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Thank u sir. Remember if u get it done a donation will head ur way
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I find it funny that if a newbie posts something in the wrong section, a million "Senior Members" jump on him/her like crazy but you "Clark44" can do it and everyone's cool with it just because you say you're going to donate if someone ports yet ANOTHER rom you like....hahaha...I'm not going to sit here and try to police the forums but looks like there's a double standard here!

this is contributing to development not asking why my ___________ doesnt work or How to you ____________

rsmith675 said:
this is contributing to development not asking why my ___________ doesnt work or How to you ____________
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OK....Now I'm not trying to start anything here BUT what I got from what you said was that as long as you ask for a rom to be port over that is OK to post in the development section?
Now like I said before, I'm not trying to police this forum or any forum for that matter but I was just saying how I've seen there's a double standard for things like this. Last time I checked, rules are rules right? I'm not on here to gain any friends or make any enemies but I don't like how people jump on newbies for common mistakes but is cool if a so called senior member make mistakes......

mazdarider23 said:
I find it funny that if a newbie posts something in the wrong section, a million "Senior Members" jump on him/her like crazy but you "Clark44" can do it and everyone's cool with it just because you say you're going to donate if someone ports yet ANOTHER rom you like....hahaha...I'm not going to sit here and try to police the forums but looks like there's a double standard here!
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Clark44 also contributes to the forum instead of just leaching, plus he has an awesome avatar.
Although it does seem like anytime a new ROM for another phone gets released it gets posted here before it does in their own section.

Guys chill. Vinchen is going to see what he can do but most of the time we work together. I dont just ask for something and expect it to come out of no where at any time. I actually contribute so can this not be about me and become about the ROM??
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clark44 said:
Guys chill. Vinchen is going to see what he can do but most of the time we work together. I dont just ask for something and expect it to come out of no where at any time. I actually contribute so can this not be about me and become about the ROM??
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Is cool dude...I didn't mean to attack you or anything like that! I was just airing out what I see here in this forum lately and it just happen that you posted this and I saw no one jumped on you like they do on the newbies.
No hard feelings....I hope! AND yeah, I agree with you....let's get talking about the ROM.

mazdarider23 said:
I find it funny that if a newbie posts something in the wrong section, a million "Senior Members" jump on him/her like crazy but you "Clark44" can do it and everyone's cool with it just because you say you're going to donate if someone ports yet ANOTHER rom you like....hahaha...I'm not going to sit here and try to police the forums but looks like there's a double standard here!
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hmm porting = dev work

CheesyNutz said:
hmm porting = dev work
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Stay on topic lol
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Funny how good and good intentions can quickly go south!!!!
T.E.A.M.W.O.R.K.

Hmmmm!
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eVoKINGS said:
Hmmmm!
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Lol i see a port comin from our king
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eVoKINGS said:
Hmmmm!
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Have at it king, I took a quick stab and i think its the updater script that came with the rom...didn't seem to be flashing right...but its 4 am and I've got alot of work tomorrow, so...night everyone

Please be aware that porting is serious work! Will give it a shot no promises! Alot is envolved! Thanks
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This would be sweet ! My girlfriends got a Droid x and it would be funny to get her update before her LOL. I think it will be mostly hardware issue that the devs will have to face when porting this. It would be really cool to play with a blur phone LOL
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Vinchenzop said:
I'm already downloading it...shouldn't take too long
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+1 on that port I was checking it out I would like to see what this would be like on an Evo btw I'm on the Skyraider port this thing is amazing I usually don't run I ROM with no 4g but I love this ROM and I'm living without it.
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Just to clear things up, this isn't actually a Dev thread. It's a request, and therefore should not be in dev.
General - general technical discussion items, news, anything else that does not fit into the other fora categories.
Q&A (Questions and Answers) - all questions, irrespective of type, get posted in here whether they be theme related, accessory related, technical, etc.
Accessories - any items to do with components and/or accessories relating to your device.
Rom Development - only meant for very advanced technical discussion directly related to ROM development activity and the delivery of actual ROMs and ROM components ONLY. Nothing else goes in here.
Themes & Apps - anything to do directly with the development of themes and/or applications. Nothing else goes in here.
MOD EDIT: BEFORE POSTING ANY THREAD IN THE DEVELOPMENT SECTION, PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING:
If you have developed a ROM, or are working with others to do so, the development forum is somewhere to discuss and share ideas, post useful feedback and logs or crash dumps, and to discuss a common goal developers are trying to achieve.
It is NOT the place to post your question because it gets higher traffic, or because more experienced users frequent it. Doing this just annoys those who are working on the device, and drives them away. Developers don't want to wade through 20 threads of "Help me urgently" to find their threads for porting and fixing camera issues etc. Similarly, if a thread is designated as discussion for developers say, porting a camera fix, please do not post in there asking "When will it be ready?", "Can I flash this yet?" etc. This is both completely disrespectful to those working on the project (you evidently haven't read the important posts in the thread), and also is making it harder for developers to find comments from other developers or testers when required.
Similarly, don't make loads of "Thanks for your work here" posts in an active development thread. It's just as annoying to developers as asking when something will be ready. If a ROM is complete, then go ahead and thank the developer if you wish, but don't go into threads for devs only, and interrupt it to post "thanks". It's basically spamming, and is treated as such.
If you are posting in development, you should have read every sticky and notice there, and should be actively developing or helping in the development of something. Developing isn't installing a ROM, or using a tweak, it's creating a ROM or other hack or tweak. If you haven't read for several days before starting out on XDA, you are likely about to ask something already solved. I registered on XDA when I first wanted to post, and that was to join in a discussion on something. Sure, join up and ask a question, but read the information available in General and Q&A first, as your question will have been asked before. Search is your friend here, become familiar with it.
Regarding when to post in development if you are not actually developing something, there is one occasion where it's acceptable. If you find a leak of a new ROM, which isn't already posted, and you verify it's legitimacy via either running it, or based on the source you obtained it from, then this is assisting in development, and should be posted in development. If you want to ask when a leak will be available use search first, then if not already in discussion, open a thread in general or Q&A.
If you have a problem flashing a ROM, this is NOT related to development. It's up to you to determine if it is specific to a particular ROM, and post useful information in that developer's existing thread for the ROM. If it happens on more than one ROM, and isn't a known issue (remember you should read several times more words than you post), then find out what you are doing wrong. Check guides written by others, try to repeat the problem and see if it happens every time. Something needs to be reproducible to be fixed effectively.
Once you have identified what you need help with go to the device Q&A forum (general if device lacks one), and make a clear, informative thread that explains the issue, and what you have tried doing to fix it. Did you re-download the ROM? Did you ask a friend to flash it for you, to reduce chance of user error? What steps (exactly) did you follow? What errors did you see (exact wording)? Did you double check all the steps? Did you do a wipe or hard reset?
If you make a clear, concise, yet detailed post, you will find help forthcoming, and should get the problem sorted very quickly. If someone suggests you try something, report back on what happened, did it work etc. Then, next time someone has this issue and searches, they will find this and have a verified and tested solution.
So remember... before you start a thread in development, ask yourself what you are developing. If you can't answer, then stop, step away from the post button, and think about where you are posting. Would it be better in General or Q&A, or is some more time with your best friend, search, required?
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[IDEA] Development for the welfare of our community

So why are we the only forum that has to have 40 generals for each rom, why are we not like every other phone where the chat about the rom is done in development? I feel this could alleviate a lot of the "RentaMods." Since i found it to be an easy way to find solutions to many issues... for example the galaxy nexus there roms they don't have 5 different threads for one rom... guess where people talk about the developers rom... in the developer thread... guys i know this is earth-shattering stuff... but let's just keep it simple one thread one rom.
I await my ban with GLORY, but i consider this development since it is essential to our community at e4gt xda since it is causing problems between many users.

this rom is the bomb!!

ethandissi said:
So why are we the only forum that has to have 40 generals for each rom, why are we not like every other phone where the chat about the rom is done in development? I feel this could alleviate a lot of the "RentaMods." Since i found it to be an easy way to find solutions to many issues... for example the galaxy nexus there roms they don't have 5 different threads for one rom... guess where people talk about the developers rom... in the developer thread... guys i know this is earth-shattering stuff... but let's just keep it simple one thread one rom.
I await my ban with GLORY, but i consider this development since it is essential to our community at e4gt xda since it is causing problems between many users.
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I believe this belongs in development too. Because in a way you are Developing a better community.
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riggggght this belongs in dev, isnt this just like trying to be the forum police?? arent there already rules of the forum (stickied at the top of each section) that should take care of this...
as for this whole idea that talking in a dev thread should be fine, most of the chatter is the same damn questions every three pages! if everyone would not be lazy and again follow the forum rules 3/4's of most threads wouldnt exist.

my point is why do we seem to be the only phone that has a clusterfuck of twenty threads instead of a clusterfuck of one thread?

yourm0m1 said:
riggggght this belongs in dev, isnt this just like trying to be the forum police?? arent there already rules of the forum (stickied at the top of each section) that should take care of this...
as for this whole idea that talking in a dev thread should be fine, most of the chatter is the same damn questions every three pages! if everyone would not be lazy and again follow the forum rules 3/4's of most threads wouldnt exist.
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Furthermore devs can request their threads be only development only, like the case of the CM9 thread, but why would we respect their wishes?
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ethandissi said:
my point is why do we seem to be the only phone that has a clusterfuck of twenty threads instead of a clusterfuck of one thread?
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i dont see why it matters what the general or q&a sections look like or amount of threads, thats what they are there for. why should everyone have the right to turn a dev thread into a clusterfuck?? as for the rest of the forums i only frequent the nook color section and the dev section is HEAVILY moderated and respected

I came from the EVO ROM section it's not half as ridiculous as this forum when it comes to being watched. I don't think I ever posted in the general section for a ROM. Yes the questions get redundant but most of the time it's just as easy to answer the question as it is to ***** that it's in the wrong section or that it's a frequently answered question. Not to mention that a lot of people troll these roms from tapatalk or the xda apps which offers virtually no convenient search functionality. yes Google works but not half as well a everyone acts like it does. It took me 30 minutes to search for a specific thing that had been "talked about frequently" in the forum through google. but could have been answered easily enough and in less time then it took to post a lmgtfy link. it's a forum people are going to ask questions it's the purpose of the site period.

All it comes down to is this.
Certain devs request certain guidelines for their development threads.
Do they have the right to request that?
I think so.
And being as the devs make the community, their wishes should be respected.
Not ignored and spit on.
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Plus have you looked at the general section lately? People post **** about iPads.....iPads! Which have absolutely nothing to do with e4gt at all! fav modems, games, stupid **** that has no specifics about a particular rom at all. Random rants who wants to dig through that kind of **** to find an answer to a question that a developer or senior member who has been in the forum for a bit can answer in a short conscious answer. I answer plenty of noob questions because I know a while ago I was in the same place.

I don't consider myself a "DEVELOPER" but I've posted couple of roms.
I don't want to have multiple threads for my roms because it will take more time from me to follow all of them.
I think, if you have questions, bug reports, problems with my rom you should ask, talk, report them in rom thread so the members of the forum who use my development can find all the questions and answers in one thread.
And it's easier for me to keep eye on all problems related to my rom.
Just my $0.02.

samuel346 said:
this rom is the bomb!!
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THANKS!
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samuel346 said:
this rom is the bomb!!
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ethandissi said:
THANKS!
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This is exactly the type of junk which QA and General are trying to keep out of the Dev forums..

And now we have one more!!! [idea]:what:
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This ROM is giving me the blue led light of death!

This thread is a travesty.
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OP has a point... in the OG epic forums most threads had just the dev thread, and the threads could be really helpful and relatively BS free, like midNIGHT, or 500 pages of insanity like viper or ACS... but really there wasnt ever ROM threads in general. I assumed this was an EVO thing, as I had heard that forum was nuts with kids posting inane crap and flaming... idunno. It seems like this phone attracts a lot of disgruntled people... tons of minimodding and attitude... sad really. Its not like the community for this phone is so big that we cant keep out dev threads relatively clutter free, but some members choose to flame everyone who asks a ROM RELATED question in the ROM thread... makes no sense. If you REALLY feel you need to censor and judge the validity of every post in the precious Dev section, DONT respond with another post, ignore them till someone helpful (theres usually one or two who 'troll' every rom helping people out... bastards...) answers their question, and YOU flag the oh so offensive post and even PM a mod, maybe we will get a clearer picture that the minimodding creates WAY more posts than the questions or occasional side topic.
Also, I think this is a little different now, as back on the OG Epic, a lot of dev discussion was done in the threads, not IRC (I havent been in a chatroom since like '99) or ROM specific websites, or PM.... everyone was involved. Really if you weed out everything that isnt ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT of the given ROM in a thread, you would have about two pages... so whats the point of the Dev section? I think theres a lot of much undeserved elitism going on where people dont want to be bothered by all the tapatalk notifications because someone else has a question... try just actually looking at the thread and see if theres an update to the OP or something... but lighten up... this phone has a lot of stick up the ass people... get over yourself.

To be honest, I pretty much only see 2 threads at most for a given rom, one in general and one in development. If you hear of a general thread being referred to, then it shouldn't be hard to find and use it.
Want to hear ironic? For whatever reason, the general thread gets ignored, so the dev thread is overrun. Where do people move to continue development, teamwork, and quality help? The general thread.
When did you first see the aokp rom? :sly:
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I agree with OP about the need for only one thread. I've been on Xda since the G1 days...never seen anything like it. Problem is that Android is more widespread these days...means lots of newbs.
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agat63 said:
I don't consider myself a "DEVELOPER" but I've posted couple of roms.
I don't want to have multiple threads for my roms because it will take more time from me to follow all of them.
I think, if you have questions, bug reports, problems with my rom you should ask, talk, report them in rom thread so the members of the forum who use my development can find all the questions and answers in one thread.
And it's easier for me to keep eye on all problems related to my rom.
Just my $0.02.
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And if would have read earlier in the thread you'd see that the decision to have two threads (one for questions and such and another for development) is totally up to the developer of the ROM himself.
While some don't want that, others do.
And I don't see what's so hard about complying with what they want.
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A proposal for the XDA community to consider.

I'll get straight to the point.
The nature of our Development Forums on XDA have changed dramatically since the G1 days and unfortunatly its a change for the worst, its hitting in my opinion rock bottom with less and less people willing to contribute. Back when Android was born and XDA opened its doors to us G1 users we were all there for one reason. To LEARN!
The thirst for knowledge and understanding was exciting and thrilling, being the first to discover something new and letting it be free and available to all who wanted, to strive to break down the barriers that our providers put before us and set us all free! It was to be a complete geek and openly honest a complete rush for me and all of us.
Just writing about it sends a shiver down my spine I so enjoyed it all back then. But todays culture seems to be one of spoon feeding information to people who have no idea what they actually have in there hands, and to be frank would look at me cross eyed if I told them to use terminal emulator to enter a command! Now dont get me wrong I'm no linux expert I'm not even a beginner but I took time to learn terminal commands for Android to help further our community by not asking dumb questions and knowing what a search engine was!
So for my proposal and discussion as a community is.....
Should we allow the developers to HAVE the Developement forums?
We currently have General forums with support threads so basically if your not a developer you simply can't post in there. Lets give the devs somewhere they can talk with other devs and concentrate solely on development and not reading 15,000,000 pages of posts like 'The rom didn't work its rubbish' and replying back to all these people to try and gain some peace to work.
Well I have had my say and I look forward to some serious intelligent debate on this.

How exactly do you differentiate between a dev and non-dev? Also, there are plenty of non-dev users who find valuable info for the people doing the actual dev work.

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How exactly do you differentiate between a dev and non-dev? Also, there are plenty of non-dev users who find valuable info for the people doing the actual dev work.
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Easy. Can you build a rom? Do you know your arse from your elbow? And have you heard of google?
If you answer Yes to all three you're probably a dev.
No seriously you are perfectly correct and I understand what you are saying but again why couldn't we have that same discussion/help/suggestion here? Its basically the same and the devs can check in whenever they like as they already have to in their development threads now. We have help threads here that are basically unused because they are cluttering up the devs thread instead. We need to look at encouranging devs to stay and this to me gives them that and a lot more would be achieved I feel.

Perhaps a way for devs to have a open or closed thread.
Like asylum rom. There is discussion thread and a development thread.
Maybe an option to allow only recognised developers or senior members in a thread.
I agree junior members (noobs) are a pain in the ass.
I tought myself mostly by reading threads and figuring things out.... Why can't they? I don't know... I try to play nice though sometimes the stupidity bassles me.
A blacklist option or a "kick ban from thread" option for the dev. If someone is anoying to other members or just clutters the thread this would be a nice implementation for a dev.
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Don't see this being implemented anytime soon. Thread will probably be closed as well. Sad but true. People will always ask assisine questions that can be solved by searching or wiping.
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adolfo778 said:
Don't see this being implemented anytime soon. Thread will probably be closed as well. Sad but true. People will always ask assisine questions that can be solved by searching or wiping.
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God knows I understand that but again why not let this be the forum to ask them in?

I'm no dev. I'm far from it. But I can totally agree with what you say about it being different from the g1 days. I too get a little... Choked up...
I didn't even know what adb ment, let alone how to work it. Took me hours just to figure out and set up.
After rooting and handling updates for all my buddies phones plus my own... I'm a little more comfy. But I can't build a ROM.
There definatley a problem with people not reading. I mean... "Does cam work on this ROM?" Its answered on every page. I've seen it answered 3 posts before the question was asked.
Xda-Etiquette got lost somewhere along the way. Some things are too advanced for new android users. If it was, I didn't touch. New members don't think like that.
Read read read. Post in general or q&a. Don't clutter up dev threads with "thanks" and "help... I brick!".
Learn what a brick is. Lol.You don't have to be the first with s-off when you don't even know what it means. Wait til it becomes easier. Don't lose a device cuz you want to be on the cutting edge but don't even know what fastboot means.
Bs in the other topics. When you click that "android development" button, keep your mouth shut and read. Nothing most of the xda users, myself included, can say would be productive and helpful to devs.
And to end... I still <3 xda.
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God knows I understand that but again why not let this be the forum to ask them in?
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Xda has gotten a lot more traffic Since the g1 days so noob questions are expected. I imagine if the mods were to implement your idea. Alot of those threads and members would be left with unanswered questions, plus you don't have to read the 500 pages in each thread just the OP we read through the pages to pass time
And most devs already talk to each other via iirc and gtalk and popular ROMs such as venom have there own forums. The difference is xda gets more traffic. More traffic = more downloads. Plus what fun is it if all the threads are serious, and devs dont get to bag on noobs
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adolfo778 said:
Xda has gotten a lot more traffic Since the g1 days so noob questions are expected. I imagine if the mods were to implement your idea. Alot of those threads and members would be left with unanswered questions, plus you don't have to read the 500 pages in each thread just the OP we read through the pages to pass time
And most devs already talk to each other via iirc and gtalk and popular ROMs such as venom have there own forums. The difference is xda gets more traffic. More traffic = more downloads. Plus what fun is it if all the threads are serious, and devs dont get to bag on noobs
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Once again they can! They just do it in here instead when the devs need a laugh. All help and dumb questions can be answered here in the General Forum meaning people would actually be more likely to read at least something of the first post in the Development Forum because its not as daunting knowing there is another 100 pages of posts to read following it.

Did you remember to fastboot flash the boot.img?

Thx for this thread, it always helps to discuss issues if they occur. In any case there is no need for closed dev threads @ XDA, since this would lead to believe we are only developing for our own pleasure. Reality is we all enjoy to push the envelope and share it with other guys in the forum. We all need and want feedback, so it`s not a problem XDA can solve.
All we can do is try to educate users, that we are happy to help them as long as they try to search for answers first either in the thread, on XDA or Google. Users in dev thread need also understand the following:
All custom ROM`s have bugs (so do stock ROM`s)
Not all these bugs are ROM related, in many cases the problem sits in front of the device.
If it`s a real bug, just report it, but don`t be demanding. Most of us just publish stuff here for pure pleasure of sharing and cause we are proud, that we could enhance the user experience with new features.
Users really need to understand, that we don`t have an obligation to update stuff in a certain time frame. We do that in our free time and it`s just a hobby.
Users should especially behave in a friendly manner and be respectful with everyone in the threads.
So bottom line - don`t expect XDA to solve the issues, we as a community must learn to respect each other and understand there`s more important stuff in life then a phone.
Edit: Maybe except the new ONE :laugh::angel::silly:

Well again I find myself saying all that can be done here, I never once said I wanted the Development thread closing or to create a nature of 'building for themselves' we could all still have access and well would need it to download roms so I don't understand where you are coming from on that point. Why do we have a support thread in General if the support is offered in the roms thread?
And to be honest as we need to be I have seen you yourself getting annoyed by the questions that pop up time and time again as has many other devs leading to yet more and more posts about ego wars and the tiredness of answering the same thing again and again and again. Simply let that stuff stay in here otherwise not only is General but Q&A forums seem to be somewhat pointless as no matter how hard you try being nice about it users will never learn. A place where real Developers can go and know the community takes care of the 'silly' stuff, as a developer yourself I would assume you would appreciate not having to spend so much time reading all the pointless posts that appear. You say rightly that you do this as a hobby and in your free time so wouldn't it be better if you knew you had somewhere to get away from it so to speak and spend that time doing work on your rom/s?

The stupid questions are just plain laziness. I'm basically a noob, this is my first android phone and I just got it last October. I can't remember even asking any questions, maybe as couple, literally. I'm usually the one helping out people who have been using android longer than me. In October, I remember having to look up what a kernel even was. Lol. So, yeah, people just have you seriously just read more, but don't just follow steps, try to understand what you are actually doing. Just following steps, you won't learn nothing.
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I don't think things will ever change. There are always going to be lazy, entitled noobs who want to be spoon fed. Changing that I think would be a losing battle. I'm not saying we should encourage them, but fighting and flaming simply won't ever change things. I think we should simply continue helping those who've shown they have no problem making the effort to help themselves and ignore the ones who want everything handed to them.

Want To Post In Development?

This thread is aimed at teaching new users the way to be able to post in a development thread WITHOUT spamming or posting rubbish and help you get along better in the development threads.
I know that this thread will probably be ignored by most users who this is aimed at, BUT if it helps teach even a few users then this has been worth it.
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**As of January 2016, you no longer need to have 10 posts to be able to post in development threads. To be able to create your own thread in the development forums you will need to have 50 posts though.
If you have a thread you'd like to post into the development forum but you don't have enough posts, you can create your thread in the General section for your device and then ask a Moderator of that forum to move it into the Development forum for you.**
First, let's look at why new users generally want to be able to post in a development thread ;
*They think it's the cool place to hangout.
*They think their question will be answered quicker.
*They want to say thanks to a developer for the work that they've done.
*They think their question is important and should be posted in development.
Now, let's explain the truth about the 4 points above ;
*Development threads are NOT the cool place to hangout. As this is a development forum there's no need to hangout but if you really feel the need to relax and hangout with other members, then participate in some discussions in the General section of your device.
*Your question will NOT be answered any quicker by posting it in a development thread. If you take a look at every single device forum on XDA, you'll see that the Q&A forum will always have more posts and threads than development forums will.
*While it's nice that you want to thank the developer for their hard work, making a post saying "Thanks" will only fill up the thread with useless posts. To stop this, XDA admins added a Thanks button which you will see at the bottom of every post on this forum (as long as you have made 1 post). If you're using the XDA app, just click on the relevant post and you'll see a few options appear. One of those options is "Thanks".
If you think that clicking the Thanks button is not enough then you could always donate to the developer to help them carry on development.
*While your question may well be important, it still doesn't belong in the development section. You may get flamed if you post your question there as all questions should be posted in the Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting forum. Development is only intended for development.
What's the best way for me to make 50 posts?
*As is mentioned a lot when talking about new users, the best way to make your first 50 posts is to go to your device forum and see if you can help some people in the Q&A forum. This is a great thing to do because it means you can help others learn more from you helping them with their questions. You may also gain some Thanks along the way.
*If you can't answer the questions, either because they're too hard OR others answer them too quickly, you go into your devices General forum and get involved in some discussions about your phone. This is a great thing to do because it can teach you some things which you didn't know about your device + you may be able to share what you've learnt which others may not know about. It also gives you a good introduction to your forum and the people you will see there.
*If you can't contribute towards any of the discussions either then you can also have a look around the following forums and see if you can help people in the forums aswell - General, Questions & Answers, Android General and Android Q&A.​
How can I get involved with the development community?
Well, being active is the simple answer.
As you'll notice across XDA, the type of posts allowed in development threads are decided by the developer. Some developers want dev talk only. The won't want any kind of questions or general comments. Most, however, don't really mind what kind of posts go into their thread. Most will allow questions and a small amount of off topic chatter to happen within their thread. This allows a small community to grow - one who uses this certain piece of development and can help out others along the way. Getting involved in such small communities is great because you can learn a lot, help people a lot and even make your way towards those 50 posts needed to create your own thread in the development forums.​
Now that you've read through this thread, you will know the best and easiest way to make your first 50 posts. If you see any other members who are not following this guidance, feel free to link them to this thread so that they can learn from it aswell. Now you're good to go! ​

Good job, I added a link from the new user guide. :good:

This is definitely the thing that was needed.
@KidCarter93,you have done a good job
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d'oh said:
Seriosly, the rule annoys me, having 10 posts does not mean you have any idea about developement...
Half of the posts in the dev threads i follow are exactly the kind of posts that are tried to prevent with this rule... The authors of the posts often have 100+ posts but show they do not have any idea...
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You are right.. if the rule wasn't there.. think what might have happened.. it prevents users from creating account and jump to development section.. it lets you understand how the site works when you are gaining 10 posts..
You can always report such posts you mentioned or you can suggest better alternative if you have one in alternative to 10 post rule thread here..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2115765

mikef said:
Good job, I added a link from the new user guide. :good:
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Well done mate !
Just added a link from the New members friendly Q&A thread.

Nice write up you always do a good job with these things.
sent from my T.A.R.T.I.S
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Thx for the advice
Being one of the users this thread is aimed at, I say thank you.
Your tone is friendly and not arrogant, the advice seems helpful and reasonable.
And I say this although I'm one of the users who's reason to post is not listed in your first argument about "why new users generally want to be able to post in a development thread".
I actually wanted to post, to report on a currently discussed issue, that seemed to be not clear yet and help another user by linking to a thread about Link2SD to help him resolve his issue.
But I understand and accept the rules - that's why I'm off now to the Q&A for the SGA. Maybe I can share my experiences with flashing my device there

McFex said:
Being one of the users this thread is aimed at, I say thank you.
Your tone is friendly and not arrogant, the advice seems helpful and reasonable.
And I say this although I'm one of the users who's reason to post is not listed in your first argument about "why new users generally want to be able to post in a development thread".
I actually wanted to post, to report on a currently discussed issue, that seemed to be not clear yet and help another user by linking to a thread about Link2SD to help him resolve his issue.
But I understand and accept the rules - that's why I'm off now to the Q&A for the SGA. Maybe I can share my experiences with flashing my device there
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I'd just like to say thanks for doing things "properly". When you first posted the above comment, I kept an eye on your posts to see what you were posting. I was actually pleasently surprised to see you were posting the way this thread asks for it to be done.
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KidCarter93 said:
I'd just like to say thanks for doing things "properly". When you first posted the above comment, I kept an eye on your posts to see what you were posting. I was actually pleasently surprised to see you were posting the way this thread asks for it to be done.
Sent from my HTC One using xda premium
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Even if I run the risk of posting the occasional "useless" post here, let me say thanks for saying thanks .
Feels good to be appreciated.
This forum is wonderful, just like most of the regulars here.
It's a pity, that for many noobs the substance of the first post is not common sense, but I guess most noobs are also noobs to life itself (unlike me ), and still have to learn the meaning of "If you wish for potatoes, you better grab a hoe!".
But you know how it is, haters gonna hate and noobs will be noobs

What about experienced devs who happen to be new to xda?
Thanks for the post, those are good points about how to make your 10 posts, but I can't help but feel a little frustrated as a long time software developer but new xda user:
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First, let's look at why new users generally want to be able to post in a development thread ;
*They think it's the cool place to hangout.
*They think their question will be answered quicker.
*They want to say thanks to a developer for the work that they've done.
*They think their question is important and should be posted in development.
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The ROM I use uses XDA as their main bug reporting platform, I have a legitimate bug report to make but it's a bit annoying having to jump through hoops to report it

brainflakes said:
Thanks for the post, those are good points about how to make your 10 posts, but I can't help but feel a little frustrated as a long time software developer but new xda user:
The ROM I use uses XDA as their main bug reporting platform, I have a legitimate bug report to make but it's a bit annoying having to jump through hoops to report it
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Well, you can pm the dev or any active user in that thread to post it in behalf of you. Or just make 10 posts as xda is more than just a single rom and you would surely like to get involved sooner or later
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Deadly said:
Well, you can pm the dev or any active user in that thread to post it in behalf of you. Or just make 10 posts as xda is more than just a single rom and you would surely like to get involved sooner or later
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Well, I wouldn't know who was best to hassle with a PM Anyway yeah I'm just bringing my post number up by answering Q&A questions, I suppose helping a few users out is "payment" for being able to use the dev forum

brainflakes said:
Thanks for the post, those are good points about how to make your 10 posts, but I can't help but feel a little frustrated as a long time software developer but new xda user:
The ROM I use uses XDA as their main bug reporting platform, I have a legitimate bug report to make but it's a bit annoying having to jump through hoops to report it
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Experienced devs could always write to a moderator and ask for the restriction to be lifted for their account. Surprisingly few do this however, but generally just start helping people and get to 10 pretty quickly.
Thank you,
mikef
XDA Senior Moderator

thanks for information
going to dhd forum to help other guys......

Notes taken :good:

I already have more than 10 posts, how come I still cant post in development?

MilkEven said:
I already have more than 10 posts, how come I still cant post in development?
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Sometimes it can take up to an hour before your able to post in development because of the system refreshing itself.
If it becomes over an hour since your tenth post, your best option would be to contact a moderator who could then get it sorted for you
Your question shouldn't have been asked in here though.
Sent from my HTC One using xda premium

hey guys, i got now 10 posts, but still cannot post in developer forum :/
*edit* ... already answered... im stupid

eloquent said:
hey guys, i got now 10 posts, but still cannot post in developer forum :/
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KidCarter93 said:
Sometimes it can take up to an hour before your able to post in development because of the system refreshing itself.
If it becomes over an hour since your tenth post, your best option would be to contact a moderator who could then get it sorted for you
Your question shouldn't have been asked in here though.
Sent from my HTC One using xda premium
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^ This ^
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Developer frustration
I totally see the point... BUT: As a developer wanting to help by sharing modules/code on a development thread I was thwarted by the ten post rule.
Sure, I can take the time to "help" in other threads so that I can ultimately help in the thread that I originally intended but it makes me wonder how many skilled developers are refraining from helping simply because they don't have the time or inclination to get to the ten post count.
In the spirit of helping people that are having the same problem as I had (that drove me to develop the module I'm planning on posting) I will persevere.

noob question - dev kernel

hey
i want to learn how to make android kernel like the rom developers
what i need to learn first? (i want to dev to i9305 first)
what the programing langue that used for android kernels?

ussl said:
hey
i want to learn how to make android kernel like the rom developers
what i need to learn first? (i want to dev to i9305 first)
what the programing langue that used for android kernels?
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To compile a kernel : http://xda-university.com/as-a-developer/getting-started-building-a-kernel-from-source
Android kernels (which are actually linux kernels) are written in C.
Hacking kernels is not the easiest thing to do for beginner programmers. You need to know a bit about the underlying hardware and debugging is difficult, it's also more risky than app development so know you recovery procedures. Now, disregard what I just said and do it, it's very rewarding.

ussl said:
hey
i want to learn how to make android kernel like the rom developers
what i need to learn first? (i want to dev to i9305 first)
what the programing langue that used for android kernels?
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What part of "Developers Only" in the forum title did you not understand? This is not a Q&A thread for n00bs. For that you need to post in the Q&A section.

TheATHEiST said:
What part of "Developers Only" in the forum title did you not understand? This is not a Q&A thread for n00bs. For that you need to post in the Q&A section.
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Well while you might be partly right about the q&a he cant get the information need from there either. So let him try to join the developer sections if he can manage to do it. No one is a noob forever unless we are pains in the butt and dont help/let them grow and learn.
While I dont know everything about developing I can help you some fell free to PM me or hit me up via hangouts ([email protected]) include your issues/desires when you hit me up since I help whoever I can and cant always keep track of everyone who contacts me. Also dont let people keep you from trying because then we would never have new development or developers. No disrespect @TheATHEiST but damn cut a noob some slack and help out or be quite.

TheATHEiST said:
What part of "Developers Only" in the forum title did you not understand? This is not a Q&A thread for n00bs. For that you need to post in the Q&A section.
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+1

jlmancuso said:
Well while you might be partly right about the q&a he cant get the information need from there either. So let him try to join the developer sections if he can manage to do it. No one is a noob forever unless we are pains in the butt and dont help/let them grow and learn.
While I dont know everything about developing I can help you some fell free to PM me or hit me up via hangouts ([email protected]) include your issues/desires when you hit me up since I help whoever I can and cant always keep track of everyone who contacts me. Also dont let people keep you from trying because then we would never have new development or developers. No disrespect @TheATHEiST but damn cut a noob some slack and help out or be quite.
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You basically just proved my point. You're not a developer but are willing to help him so it proves that he could have simply posted in the correct section which is the Q&A.
He and other n00bs have absolutely no place in a "Developers Only" thread. It quite clearly says so.
It's not about "cutting them some slack" It's about asking them to post in correct sections and NO I will not be "quite" or quiet.
XDA is a mess and hard to sift out info already without you adding to it by basically telling n00bs it's ok to post wherever they want to.

TheATHEiST said:
You basically just proved my point. You're not a developer but are willing to help him so it proves that he could have simply posted in the correct section which is the Q&A.
He and other n00bs have absolutely no place in a "Developers Only" thread. It quite clearly says so.
It's not about "cutting them some slack" It's about asking them to post in correct sections and NO I will not be "quite" or quiet.
XDA is a mess and hard to sift out info already without you adding to it by basically telling n00bs it's ok to post wherever they want to.
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Where is your creds as a dev? Do you have any right to even post here either? You been a member since 08 and given back what? Are you a mod? So take care and talk to you latter funny guy.
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jlmancuso said:
Well while you might be partly right about the q&a he cant get the information need from there either. So let him try to join the developer sections if he can manage to do it. No one is a noob forever unless we are pains in the butt and dont help/let them grow and learn.
While I dont know everything about developing I can help you some fell free to PM me or hit me up via hangouts ([email protected]) include your issues/desires when you hit me up since I help whoever I can and cant always keep track of everyone who contacts me. Also dont let people keep you from trying because then we would never have new development or developers. No disrespect @TheATHEiST but damn cut a noob some slack and help out or be quite.
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jlmancuso said:
Where is your creds as a dev? Do you have any right to even post here either? You been a member since 08 and given back what? Are you a mod? So take care and talk to you latter funny guy.
Sent from my SPH-L900 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
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At what part did I assert that I was a Dev or a mod???
I was replying to a thread, I was not creating a topic, there is a BIG difference. If a n00b doesn't read a topic title and nobody replies to let him know he is posting in wrong place how is he going to know?
So don't take care and I will not talk to you later funny guy.

TheATHEiST said:
At what part did I assert that I was a Dev or a mod???
I was replying to a thread, I was not creating a topic, there is a BIG difference. If a n00b doesn't read a topic title and nobody replies to let him know he is posting in wrong place how is he going to know?
So don't take care and I will not talk to you later funny guy.
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garyd9 said:
This area is currently experimental and was set up by the XDA Administrators for development discussion. The idea in this section is for developers (not only recognized developers, but all developers) to have a place for discussion threads to "talk shop." What kind of talk? Some topics (that I'm making up as I type this) might include (and are certainly not limited to):
Overriding the power widget in the notification dropdown
Considerations of using gcc versions other than 4.4.3 for compiling the kernel
Exynos: discussion on working around the SOC wake from sleep delay
This isn't a Q&A forum. However, developers might kick off discussions with a question. The difference? This belongs in Q&A: "My phone wakes up slow, will it go faster if I take my sdcard out?" On the other hand, the following might belong in this new section: "Has anyone tried adjusting the mmc detection timeouts to see if there's an impact on the SOC wakeup delays?" The assumption here is that the person asking the latter question actually knows what a mmc detection timeout is, how they'd change it, and has started to play around with it before posting the question.
As well, this section is not for posting finished products or "advertising" of kernels, apps, etc. This section is to discuss the process, not for the end result.
The hope (at least my own hope) is that developers can discuss things here instead of resorting the various other methods of communication we've used. At the same time, newer developers and even non-developers can LEARN from the conversations and eventually participate.
Depending on the reception (and difficulty moderating, probably) this experiment will either be expanded for other device types, completely shut down as a failure, or adjusted. Obviously, if we developers don't use it, it might be considered a waste of time and dissolved.
This section will be very closely moderated by moderators who are also developers and non-development discussion will be harshly dealt with.
I REALLY hope this will encourage more devs to spend time with open communication. This is XDA-Developers. Let's do development.
Edit (Jan 8th, 2013):
Clarifying "finished products" above: The threads in this section will likely spawn off or involve distinct programs/kernels/firmwares , and once a distinct product results, a separate thread
outside of this section should be created for supporting that distinct product. A link to that thread is welcome in the source thread here, but this section shouldn't be used to contain support or release posts.
Take care
Gary
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So this is the section rules. Note statement that mod will watch closely and even states it will help promote development.
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jlmancuso said:
So this is the section rules. Note statement that mod will watch closely and even states it will help promote development.
Sent from my SPH-L900 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
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Yes but It's not a place for complete newbies to ask basic questions. Those can easily just be asked via the standard Q&A forum. This forum is for devs to discuss development. In my opinion a dev as far as XDA goes is somebody with some sort of level of experience in kernels or roms. Somebody who has experience in neither should post in non-dev forums until they have correct level of experience. There is also a XDA Uni section for newbies to learn this stuff.
This forum is for developers which have some sort of level of experience to ask/discuss.
Plus this question was a general question and not really n7100/05 specific so needs to be in general Android Q&A.

TheATHEiST said:
Yes but It's not a place for complete newbies to ask basic questions. Those can easily just be asked via the standard Q&A forum. This forum is for devs to discuss development. In my opinion a dev as far as XDA goes is somebody with some sort of level of experience in kernels or roms. Somebody who has experience in neither should post in non-dev forums until they have correct level of experience. There is also a XDA Uni section for newbies to learn this stuff.
This forum is for developers which have some sort of level of experience to ask/discuss.
Plus this question was a general question and not really n7100/05 specific so needs to be in general Android Q&A.
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So you think this is a n7100/05 section also? This section is lined to dozens of samsung devices on xda. So leave the moderating to the mods. While I do find conversations with users like you interesting I got to go help others for now.
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jlmancuso said:
So you think this is a n7100/05 section also? This section is lined to dozens of samsung devices on xda. So leave the moderating to the mods. While I do find conversations with users like you interesting I got to go help others for now.
Sent from my SPH-L900 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
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Run along and play.
PS. I did leave the moderating to the mods, which is why it's been moved to correct section as per my original point Mr smartypants.

This thread has turned into EXACTLY what I didn't want when I envisioned the section...
ussl said:
i want to learn how to make android kernel like the rom developers
what i need to learn first? (i want to dev to i9305 first)
what the programing langue that used for android kernels?
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As has already been quoted, the area is for developers. No, not just RD's, but all developers. However, I've yet to meet a developer that doesn't take the time to research something before they ask questions. In this case, it's pretty obvious that you either aren't a developer, or that you haven't taken any time whatsoever to research the topic first. Have you even bothered to download the kernel source? That's a pretty big giveaway as to what language is used. As well, most source packages give hints as to which compiler is needed (and usually has a strong indication which toolset is preferred.)
I'm not posting this to be nasty - I'm posting it so that you (and others) can understand why this post can cause some pretty caustic replies. I'm a developer myself (and XDA has seen fit to label me as such,) but if I post a question that indicates I've done ZERO research and ZERO searching... and then post it in a section clearly labeled as "for developers only".. I can be assured that I'll get flamed as well.
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What part of "Developers Only" in the forum title did you not understand? This is not a Q&A thread for n00bs. For that you need to post in the Q&A section.
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I didn't bother to quote the rest of your replies... but perhaps simply reporting the post and a quick note that you think it's in the wrong section might be a enough? Even if this thread survives moderation, your replies likely won't...
Take care
Gary