My phone had been running pretty great for 14 days now without incident (in the past I was getting reboots) but then a few days ago I started getting more and more frequent launcher restarts. I checked running apps and memory was at 120MB. I restarted and with the same exact apps/services running I had 322MB. So the question becomes where the hell did the 200MB go? Seems like a memory leak to me but have no clue what could have caused it. An update can't come soon enough for this otherwise fantastic phone.
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just the way it is. I experience the same thing and i show around 130 mb of free ram all the time. I just let the phone do its thing though. I'll reboot once every 2 weeks or so. I dont think your free ram level is abnormal, i see it all the time. Yes a reboot increases it to 300 mb. But it shortly goes back down. I would ignore it.
I will notice that when i get down to around 100 mb free, i'll just go about my browsing or whatever and half hour later it corrected itself showing 190 mb free, all identical apps still running.
Its the mystery of linus. Ram is shared in ways that make it extremely difficult to tally free ram. Thats why i just ignore it. And yes i get launcher closes, along with overly aggressive task killing by the OS. I personally think its a bug google may fix.
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My phone had been running pretty great for 14 days now without incident (in the past I was getting reboots) but then a few days ago I started getting more and more frequent launcher restarts. I checked running apps and memory was at 120MB. I restarted and with the same exact apps/services running I had 322MB. So the question becomes where the hell did the 200MB go? Seems like a memory leak to me but have no clue what could have caused it. An update can't come soon enough for this otherwise fantastic phone.
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Galaxy Nexus keeps apps in memory, it never has 'a lot of free memory' if it has been running for a while. It clears memory when an application needs it and that's it. There's no 'memory leak' of that sort in Android, but there might be something off with one of those applications that might end up hijacking so much memory.
As for launcher restarts, this has never happened to me and I'm thinking that some application, that you have running, causes this.
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Galaxy Nexus keeps apps in memory, it never has 'a lot of free memory' if it has been running for a while. It clears memory when an application needs it and that's it. There's no 'memory leak' of that sort in Android, but there might be something off with one of those applications that might end up hijacking so much memory.
As for launcher restarts, this has never happened to me and I'm thinking that some application, that you have running, causes this.
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I don't care how much memory is free. I just can't stand the launcher restarts which are directly related to low memory because the system has to dump the launcher process from ram to make space for other processes. I've seen it on many phones. Apart from the launcher restarts the phone is fine.
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I don't care how much memory is free. I just can't stand the launcher restarts which are directly related to low memory because the system has to dump the launcher process from ram to make space for other processes. I've seen it on many phones. Apart from the launcher restarts the phone is fine.
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what launcher are you using?
i don't think is normal that ur launcher restarts...maybe some crap app cause it
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what launcher are you using?
i don't think is normal that ur launcher restarts...maybe some crap app cause it
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I'm using Nova right now but it happens with Stock launcher too. Its definitely some app that's causing it but I have no idea what it could be.
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I'm using Nova right now but it happens with Stock launcher too. Its definitely some app that's causing it but I have no idea what it could be.
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Well without reboot most I've had my phone up is 6 days. My free memory was just over 300MB so I'd almost think it's some app you are running too because why am I not seeing any leak? Are you running Nova Prime or just the freebie?
We have had a similar thread before. OP in there was amazed that some of us had 300+mb free and he had 120. Turns out it android 4.0.1 was the culprit. Are you still stock or 4.0.1?
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We have had a similar thread before. OP in there was amazed that some of us had 300+mb free and he had 120. Turns out it android 4.0.1 was the culprit. Are you still stock or 4.0.1?
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I'm on 4.0.2 stock. My guess is .3 and later fix the issue but I'm too lazy to wipe the phone and flash a rom. I'll have to wait, it just sucks that the update is taking so long to push
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In the world of real operating systems, free memory is wasted memory. Why bother releasing memory if there's nothing to replace it with?
If you are low on memory it's a good thing in Android, because that means that many apps are pre loaded in the RAM so they can start quicker.
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Everyone is forgetting that he's getting launcher closes, which i get as well.
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Everyone is forgetting that he's getting launcher closes, which i get as well.
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Thank you. There's a definite memory leak. Its been a day of hard use after reboot but my memory is still at times 300mb free or more. Before I rebooted it never got higher than 120. I'm hoping the app that caused it has been fixed with all the recent updates.
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Right now I have anywhere between 60MB and 100MB of RAM free and zero launcher redraws. So your phone being 'low' on ram isn't what your problem is.
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Right now I have anywhere between 60MB and 100MB of RAM free and zero launcher redraws. So your phone being 'low' on ram isn't what your problem is.
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What are you using to see free memory? Its reported differently in different places. Go to settings Apps and Running. What does it say there? I have 300MB but it shows 100 or less in many apps. The number in the place I told you to look is how much memory is usable for user programs since it removes the kernel and running services. THIS number for me was 120MB which means all apps only had 120MB to run that weren't services. So what does yours say?
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From settings > apps > running now I have between 100 and 150.
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From settings > apps > running now I have between 100 and 150.
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wow. And no launcher restarts? That's interesting? What rom are you on? I'm stock 4.0.2.
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The memory is a red herring. If your launcher is restarting frequently there's something going on, but memory may not be a part of it. Perhaps it's a misplaced pointer reference or a widget that's causing the launcher to reload to resync or maybe it really is a memory problem. Either way, focusing on the memory probably won't get you any closer to the root of the issue but uninstalling suspect apps or widgets may.
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wow. And no launcher restarts? That's interesting? What rom are you on? I'm stock 4.0.2.
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AOKP. usually if I restart I get one or two launcher redraws. But that's about it.
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AOKP. usually if I restart I get one or two launcher redraws. But that's about it.
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Yeah I think this is a 4.0.2 issue for sure. I'm hoping a new release will help.
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So I thought I'd bring this up and see if others are having the same issue as me. I purchased a Google play galaxy nexus and it recently updated to 4.1.1. I've noticed that since the update there is often some home screen redraw where the icons and launcher reloads on the home screen. I thought maybe it was the flip board app doing that since after I hit home after using it it would redraw the home screen. I've uninstalled but I got another redraw. I have plenty of internal memory. I've also gone into setting, developer settings and allowed only a 4 processes at a time thinking my RSM was being used up. How much ram is available ? Is there a way to figure that out?. Anyone else getting this?. Btw I'm completely stock and not rooted. Never been rooted and no unlocked boot loader. I will not root and flash Roms. Any ideas.
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Found out I have 218 mb free and used around 450 something. For some reason maps processes are running in the background. Anyone recommend any settings or cache apps
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Why does the GN lag so much when installing a app from the playstore?
And can something be done that i can use the device while a app gets installed?
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I think it's because Android is just not so optimized, it lags on almost every debice
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On my stock optimus2x or anfriends note 2 there is not the slightest lag when installing a app.
GN basicly locks up so i doubt its android somehow...
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Because the CPU takes a hit with processing the install (unpacking resources, etc). OMAP CPUs are very open for development/modding compared to other CPUs, but the side effect is they're not quite as powerful due to avoiding some libraries and hardware techniques other CPUs might use that are proprietary in certain cases.
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Why does the GN lag so much when installing a app from the playstore?
And can something be done that i can use the device while a app gets installed?
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I think it's because Android is just not so optimized, it lags on almost every debice
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Personally I don't have that problem with my gnex . Its smooth as ever but, I don't leave unused apps using resources like fb or other rogue apps.
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so i went back to stock (with the exact same apps as before) and this is a huge difference, no lag at all, no even when installing apps from the playstore. no need for any seeder or lagfix hack to get the device working as it should.
so now the question is wether the lag apears as well after some time or if the lag thing is only present in custom roms. and if so then the question is why.
i will keep my device on stock for some weeks to see how it goes.
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It will almost certainly come back, and it's not only present in custom ROMs. A clean install of a custom ROM should result in the same speed boost as a clean install of a stock ROM. See the following thread:
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I would also say it depends on what governor and I/O scheduler you use. I would say try the stock settings of interactive and cfq.
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as far as i can remember all custom roms literaly froze when a app was installed. so far i have not seen this on stock and i dont think that is a mather of trim or sheduler/governor.
but i will find out soon enough i guess...
Edit: forgot to ask, you are on a custom rom and your device doesnt freeze while installing apps?
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I have tried 3-4 ROMs so far and never faced this problem.
While downloading apps, I can parallely do other tasks, play games, make and receive calls.
And if this helps, My GNex is 7 months old.
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as far as i can remember all custom roms literaly froze when a app was installed. so far i have not seen this on stock and i dont think that is a mather of trim or sheduler/governor.
but i will find out soon enough i guess...
Edit: forgot to ask, you are on a custom rom and your device doesnt freeze while installing apps?
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I agree. I'm using XENON HD Stable-4.0 Franco kernel r364. Ever since dumping the stock ROM, the Play Store performance is painfully slow. I have 276 apps on my Galaxy Nexus and the Play Store seems to be the only app that impairs the phone's performance so dramatically.
As a previous poster said, a lot has to happen when installing an app. So I tear myself away from my beloved comm dev from a few minutes and do something else. Like relate to my wife
So why does my phone start to lag after a day. No matter what ROM or kernel I am on, after about 20 hours my phone starts to lag. If I restart my phone all is good. Does anyone have an explanation? Is this a great 4.2.2 feature? This wasn't happening before that.
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Is that even pure stock? There are several posts on this already. There isn't a genuine solution but some have suggested some ways to minimize lag on 4.2.2.
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I have tried all sorts of ROMs.I will look for some of the other posts. Its just frustrating because I can get it to fly, but have to reboot 1-2 times a day.
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Check your memory usage. I have this problem too - and it seems like my memory if full. Try to see what services run in the background and maybe you can stop some of them. Also look at 'Greenify' - it is an app that stops background processing for apps you don't want hanging in the background. It requires root, though.
do you use twrp? i had that problem until someone mentioned that twrp doesnt wipe completely and used cmw.
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do you use twrp? i had that problem until someone mentioned that twrp doesnt wipe completely and used cmw.
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Check your memory usage. I have this problem too - and it seems like my memory if full. Try to see what services run in the background and maybe you can stop some of them. Also look at 'Greenify' - it is an app that stops background processing for apps you don't want hanging in the background. It requires root, though.
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I installed greenify and will see in a day or so if it is working. Thanks for the tip.
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allan1313 said:
So why does my phone start to lag after a day. No matter what ROM or kernel I am on, after about 20 hours my phone starts to lag. If I restart my phone all is good. Does anyone have an explanation? Is this a great 4.2.2 feature? This wasn't happening before that.
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would it be too much of apps running at the background and causing it lag?
I'm reading about this issue more and more everyday ... one solution i saw was that to install "Clean master" from Play store and clear cache with that to minimize lag i believe it only affects custom roms and not stock based roms :/
Hey guys I just got my HTC One and I have read forums and articles where they say that the HTC One doesnt have any lag. Well idk if I got a defective phone or something but my One has definite lag sometimes especially on the launcher. Does anyone else experience this or is my phone F'd up?
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Now and even when I was on the stock rom, the day it launched, I never got any lag. It might be caused by an app you have running in the background. I wouldnt be surprised if some of the verizon/htc bloatware is causing the lag.
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Now and even when I was on the stock rom, the day it launched, I never got any lag. It might be caused by an app you have running in the background. I wouldnt be surprised if some of the verizon/htc bloatware is causing the lag.
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How would I check this? Idk since the day I got it I've had some pretty bad lag. Which surprised me since everyone was saying that the HTC one was totally lag free
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Lag is perception with recent phones. If you think you see something you'd brain believes it... Or you have a defective unit.
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joqsan said:
How would I check this? Idk since the day I got it I've had some pretty bad lag. Which surprised me since everyone was saying that the HTC one was totally lag free
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you could try safe mode or factory reset if that doesnt work
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you could try safe mode or factory reset if that doesnt work
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I just did a factory reset on my phone and I'm still getting some lag especially on the HTC Launcher when I'm scrolling
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joqsan said:
How would I check this? Idk since the day I got it I've had some pretty bad lag. Which surprised me since everyone was saying that the HTC one was totally lag free
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Go to Settings > Apps and slide the screen over to "Running" in there you can see what is currently being used by your phone. It will also show you how much RAM is currently being used.
It might also help uninstalling some of the apps you do not use, like facebook, g+ or whatever else is something not in use. Once we get the write privileges fixed you will be able to remove things like HTC Car and other apps that are installed to the system partition but not actually required for the phone to function.
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Go to Settings > Apps and slide the screen over to "Running" in there you can see what is currently being used by your phone. It will also show you how much RAM is currently being used.
It might also help uninstalling some of the apps you do not use, like facebook, g+ or whatever else is something not in use. Once we get the write privileges fixed you will be able to remove things like HTC Car and other apps that are installed to the system partition but not actually required for the phone to function.
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Can't wait man cause that car app is taking 16% of the battery used
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joqsan said:
Can't wait man cause that car app is taking 16% of the battery used
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Can't you just disable the car app?
josh995 said:
Can't you just disable the car app?
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I've tried to force close it but it just comes back on
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I've tried to force close it but it just comes back on
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I meant totally disable it by tapping "Disable" but it's one of those apps where the disable button is greyed out. I hate those apps
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I meant totally disable it by tapping "Disable" but it's one of those apps where the disable button is greyed out. I hate those apps
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Yeah and unfortunately I got my Once after they locked up all the boot loader stuff :'(
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Yeah and unfortunately I got my Once after they locked up all the boot loader stuff :'(
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I'd definitely exchange it. Are you using the car app? If not, it shouldn't be doing anything. And every review says this phone has no lag. The only time i see lag on my note 2 is when play store is updating crap in the background. Always slows things down.
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I'd definitely exchange it. Are you using the car app? If not, it shouldn't be doing anything. And every review says this phone has no lag. The only time i see lag on my note 2 is when play store is updating crap in the background. Always slows things down.
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Well actually I tried something and I went back to using a task killer and it seems to be doing the trick. Got rid of the lag and the car app no longer shows up on the running apps. Idk works for now, hopefully we can get this phone unlocked so I can start getting this thing to it's full potential
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Find this over in the Sprint 5.1.1 boards somewhere...
http://youtu.be/a7zBMdaPQ_s
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The recent apps menu did look like it opened faster but everything else seemed very laggy and jittery. Maybe it's just the video, but my Note 4 is a lot smoother than that one.
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Find this over in the Sprint 5.1.1 boards somewhere...
http://youtu.be/a7zBMdaPQ_s
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The kernel seems to indicate that it's a rooted version and maybe it's debloated and that's why it's snappier..
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Mine isn't snappier. At all. Maybe on the kernel, but even that wouldn't explain the absolute zero lag on recent apps. My buddy's rooted Note 3 is nowhere near that. Even it has a "little" lag.
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My Wife and I got a pair of Note 4's PRIOR to Lollipop. We both upgraded to 5.0.1
She is of the "I dont like messing with it" I have downloaded most every launcher, got involved in themes etc.
Other than disable the bloatware (fitness, milk, ant, etc.) I want to say her phone is so blazing fast I cannot even comprehend why it is so fast compared to mine. I have factory reset mine ( hers no) but that thing is what all phones should be like..
Q: On an Android system does it have something like a defrag like computers? Why would hers be faster than mine? Ideas?
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My Wife and I got a pair of Note 4's PRIOR to Lollipop. We both upgraded to 5.0.1
She is of the "I dont like messing with it" I have downloaded most every launcher, got involved in themes etc.
Other than disable the bloatware (fitness, milk, ant, etc.) I want to say her phone is so blazing fast I cannot even comprehend why it is so fast compared to mine. I have factory reset mine ( hers no) but that thing is what all phones should be like..
Q: On an Android system does it have something like a defrag like computers? Why would hers be faster than mine? Ideas?
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I'm pretty sure the reason is becuase you have a lot more apps on your phone, starting with a different launcher.
I don't know why Android does this (or is it the app developers causing it?)...but a lot of apps load into memory whether you run them or not. Less memory available = slower performance. This is why I was disappointed when the Note 4 came with 3GB instead of 4GB of memory.
I have a lot of apps on my phone, and especially if multitasking it is quite laggy (for example, when I go for a walk, I'll be playing music through BT, and have MyTracks running to track the walk. If a text comes in, it has a very long lag before it opens).
This is the reason I'll likely be replacing my Note 4 with something else soon.
Well, I so have a TMobile N4 on the way. Plan to root, and install a KK ROM. Been researching on the TM Dev site, and there appears to be a great one there. Everybody touts the speed and battery performance.
That being said, the topic of 5.1.1 came up. One of the folks there had just got the T3 version of the N4 wiht 5.1.1, and he said as far as he is concerned, no ROM necessary. Says it flies. No comparison.
So, hopefully, 5.1.1 will be here on AT&T before long.
I switched back to stock launcher, removed a few weather widgets and a few less used apps and now mine flies.
I guess we have been lucky, we have never experienced any battery issues or any other things spoken of during this 5.0.1 update.
The only issue we have ever had is the issue with wifi vs 4G LTE. When you reach an area with wifi it sees the signal, wont connect due to not having the pw and the phone becomes useless unless wifi is turned off or you leave the area. Still waiting on speedify to come through with its beta.
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I decided to try the stock launcher after reading your post. It is hard to believe how much faster it is. I miss the customization but love the extra performance. Hope I can figure out why the stock launcher keeps crashing once in a while.
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After reading this, I thought I'd give it a try. Jeebus! Okay, so maybe the problem is more Nova Launcher than my actual Note. The downside is, I love Nova! I use the gestures and such constantly. And my phone stays in landscape position all day. Has anyone had success with other launchers?
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It's weird how different these phones are. I've been using nova prime for about 2 months now. Went back and used stock Touchwiz launcher for a day or so and was thinking how jittery it was compared to nova. Went back to nova.
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It's weird how different these phones are. I've been using nova prime for about 2 months now. Went back and used stock Touchwiz launcher for a day or so and was thinking how jittery it was compared to nova. Went back to nova.
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Yeah, after an hour of using TW, the recent apps lag was back. Switched back to Nova, no lag. For a few minutes. So much for that. Does anyone know exactly what the nature of the "memory leak" in 5.0.1 is? This must be related somehow.
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It's weird how different these phones are. I've been using nova prime for about 2 months now. Went back and used stock Touchwiz launcher for a day or so and was thinking how jittery it was compared to nova. Went back to nova.
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Yeah, after an hour of using TW, the recent apps lag was back. Switched back to Nova, no lag. For a few minutes. So much for that. Does anyone know exactly what the nature of the "memory leak" in 5.0.1 is? This must be related somehow.
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Just curious, for both of you. I do not have my power saving mode turned on. There is a tab there that restricts cpu performance if its on.
JFYI...This past week I got a T-Mobile Note 4. Rooted it, installed a 5.1.1. ROM, and it is much faster. I too use Nova Launcher.
Battery is great too. I typically do an overnight / screen off test to get a general feeling of battery performance.
My AT&T Note 4 overnight with power saving off, wifi on, BT on, used just under 5% / hour. The TM one with same conditions lastnight used .73% / Hour. Yes...less than 1% / hour. I'm seeing quotes over in the ROM thread of 5-6 hours SOT.
I was ready to ditch the Note 4. Not now.
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Just curious, for both of you. I do not have my power saving mode turned on. There is a tab there that restricts cpu performance if its on.
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Not on for me.
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Not on for me.
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Yup I see it..thanks
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Wont be long now I hope. I noticed most every app I own has updated in the past 2 days. Perhaps it is in anticipation? I honestly dont know how it works.
http://www.vcpost.com/articles/87060/20150826/android-5-1-lollipop-arrives-samsung-galaxy-note-4-handsets.htm
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Wont be long now I hope. I noticed most every app I own has updated in the past 2 days. Perhaps it is in anticipation? I honestly dont know how it works.
http://www.vcpost.com/articles/87060/20150826/android-5-1-lollipop-arrives-samsung-galaxy-note-4-handsets.htm
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I don't think play store apps have anything to do with '5.1.1' pushed by Verizon.
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I don't think play store apps have anything to do with '5.1.1' pushed by Verizon.
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Perhaps, but it seemed weird all of them updated within 2 days (41 apps) go figure. Dunno .
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Perhaps, but it seemed weird all of them updated within 2 days (41 apps) go figure. Dunno .
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Yea man pretty sure apps being updated don't mean much it's tough to say when we will have on VZW &AT&T models 5.1.1 I hope soon.