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Is anyone else getting bored with their Evo?

Maybe its just me... but I'm becoming quite bored with my Evo. It doesn't matter what ROM I'm using, I am just getting over Android. Sure it boots fast... but my battery won't last even a full day with heavy usage and its tedious changing them all the time, the touchscreen is way too sensitive at times, and since FroYo, I've had way too many freezes and reboots to count.
I'm honestly ready to jump on the Torch or just go back to using my Bold 2... I could pound the hell out of my Bold 2 and it would still last a day and a half minimum, I rarely, if ever, had it freeze, and it did most things I needed it to.
Am I missing something here? Because Android is turning out to be pretty boring. I hate the fact that I can't have a full desktop replacement like I could on Windows Mobile, I rather dislike having to select one e-mail at a time to delete it, and the customization is just not there...

you had me until you said you'd go back to blackberry.
Boring? Bb may be the most boring thing ever

But yeah maybe android isn't for you if you think you can do most things on your bb.
I like mine still and gingerbread will make it more interesting.
That said it gets stale at times but so did iphone os and web os
All things do. Bb got stale 5 years ago

I said I'd go back to Blackberry for stability purposes... not because its not boring. Plus I wouldn't have to buy another phone... I already own a Curve 8330 I can use on Sprint and my 9700 is on ATT.
Its either that or back to the Mogul or Touch Pro 2... I'd rather shoot myself.
I guess for me it would be more useful if I had a hardware keyboard...
EDIT: I guess I was expecting more... You know full flash is great and all... but without proper 3D acceleration it runs like ****. Same goes for the games on the Evo. 43FPS on Antigen? Are you kidding me? The Evo should absolutely SPANK that game...

Dude, if you like stability, unroot your phone and use stock 2.2. Stock = Stability. Period. Also, how does one get "bored" with a phone? As far as I'm concerned it's a tool you use to make calls, browse web, send texts, etc. Do you ever get "bored" with your laptop or your tv because it does what it's supposed to do? Please.

I hear you and don't totally disagree
Android platform is still young
Maybe windows phone 7 can bring something new along but I doubt our as they are blatantly copying iphone os 3
Its tough to keep pace nowadays with users demands for new stuff. I include myself as one of those users
As far as bb I was questioning why you'd buy the torch but if you are saying just a phone you already have that's a different story

zeuzinn said:
Dude, if you like stability, unroot your phone and use stock 2.2. Stock = Stability. Period. Also, how does one get "bored" with a phone? As far as I'm concerned it's a tool you use to make calls, browse web, send texts, etc. Do you ever get "bored" with your laptop or your tv because it does what it's supposed to do? Please.
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I do get bored with my TV thanks and my laptop and my desktop can both be upgraded to extend its capabilities. I run multiple operating systems on both machines.
And stock isn't stable. I've seen people ***** about stock just as much, if not more, than rooted. FroYo is just trash.

Jsimon9633 said:
I hear you and don't totally disagree
Android platform is still young
Maybe windows phone 7 can bring something new along but I doubt our as they are blatantly copying iphone os 3
Its tough to keep pace nowadays with users demands for new stuff. I include myself as one of those users
As far as bb I was questioning why you'd buy the torch but if you are saying just a phone you already have that's a different story
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I don't have high expectations for WP7. I would love to be proven wrong but I don't even enjoy that particular interface on my Zune...
The Torch is something new and it fixes the main *****es that I had about BlackBerry - boot times and the web browser. Plus ATT offered it to me for 214 even though I only became a customer in January.
On the same token though I think its absolutely appalling that RIM is using the same 624MHz processor that my Bold 2 has and the Bold before it did as well so that would definitely factor into my decision to most likely not purchase the device.

EtherealRemnant said:
I do get bored with my TV thanks and my laptop and my desktop can both be upgraded to extend its capabilities. I run multiple operating systems on both machines.
And stock isn't stable. I've seen people ***** about stock just as much, if not more, than rooted. FroYo is just trash.
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Lol I do get ya man I also get bored with my gadgets
Just a nature of the beast
I tried iphone 4 and was bored after a week
Android is new completely to me so I'm still having fun with roms and kernels, oh my
But I'm sure I'll get bored at some point I just hope gingerbread is out by then
I've not had stability issues though barring some mistakes I made as I learned how to properly flash roms

If I can hold on til Gingerbread (provided the Evo has the horsepower to run it considering it has no dedicated graphics processor and Gingerbread recommends it) I might be fine... I guess one of the biggest annoyances for me is the difficulty in finding apps. The Market is a huge mess. On my berry, I search appworld for a term and it searches the description as well plus gives me options to organize by price, popularity, reviews, etc... Unless I am blind, there is no way I can do this with the Market...

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EtherealRemnant said:
If I can hold on til Gingerbread (provided the Evo has the horsepower to run it considering it has no dedicated graphics processor and Gingerbread recommends it) I might be fine... I guess one of the biggest annoyances for me is the difficulty in finding apps. The Market is a huge mess. On my berry, I search appworld for a term and it searches the description as well plus gives me options to organize by price, popularity, reviews, etc... Unless I am blind, there is no way I can do this with the Market...
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The market definitely sucks
Have you tried app brain
It haas helped me find cool apps more than the market

App Brain?
No I haven't ever even heard of it.

I'm waiting for some real games to come to android too but I'm not that in need since I have my ipad for gaming not to mention my itouch
I do want facebook connected scrabble for android though and bejeweled blitz also with fb connect would alleviate these horrible games I see for android

EtherealRemnant said:
If I can hold on til Gingerbread (provided the Evo has the horsepower to run it considering it has no dedicated graphics processor and Gingerbread recommends it) I might be fine... I guess one of the biggest annoyances for me is the difficulty in finding apps. The Market is a huge mess. On my berry, I search appworld for a term and it searches the description as well plus gives me options to organize by price, popularity, reviews, etc... Unless I am blind, there is no way I can do this with the Market...
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The Evo does have a dedicated graphics processor. In fact, the adreno GPU is quite capable for a mobile device. Games just need to be re-written to support it (Nova is an example of this, it used to run like crap, now runs beautifully). Sure it's not as powerful as the SGX series, but it's certainly not that underpowered.

EtherealRemnant said:
App Brain?
No I haven't ever even heard of it.
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Find it in market and download it
Its an alternative app store same apps but more easier ways to find them

Jsimon9633 said:
Find it in market and download it
Its an alternative app store same apps but more easier ways to find them
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Thank you! THIS is what I was looking for! It uploaded my list of installed apps and recommended new apps to me based on that. FANTASTIC!
I wish they had rep here because I would totally give you rep for that!

EtherealRemnant said:
Thank you! THIS is what I was looking for! It uploaded my list of installed apps and recommended new apps to me based on that. FANTASTIC!
I wish they had rep here because I would totally give you rep for that!
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Your welcome and I'm glad to pass on the recommends I myself received when I first got my evo
Its not a flawless app but it beats the heck out of the stock market app
And yeah thee sync feature is sweet

Jsimon9633 said:
Your welcome and I'm glad to pass on the recommends I myself received when I first got my evo
Its not a flawless app but it beats the heck out of the stock market app
And yeah thee sync feature is sweet
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I just installed like 20 apps I didn't even know existed - like StumbleUpon, for example, which is apparently a brand new app (less than 50 downloads)

EtherealRemnant said:
I just installed like 20 apps I didn't even know existed - like StumbleUpon, for example, which is apparently a brand new app (less than 50 downloads)
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Hope this improves your android experience
The community around thee android platform had really impressed me
Especially on this board!

I honestly don't see how you could possibly get bored... You have roms and kernels to last you days of flashing...
Like gambling? You can play Live Poker.
Like racing? You can play Asphalt
Like reading quotes, books and newspapers? theres an app for that.
Like porn? well who doesn't? There is even an app for that.
Craving some super mario or final fantasy? You have emulators.
Like listening to music? You have pandora and a bunch of other radios...
WTF MORE COULD YOU POSSIBLY WANT? Some people are just never satisfied.
like honestly...I just don't get it. If your having trouble finding a stable Rom try evios latest and use one of kings kernel. Im easily getting 15 hours on a single charge with moderate-heavy usage.
P.S the latest app thats been keeping me busy is Akinator. That sht is crazy!!! the first time I used it I literally dropped my phone.

[Q] For Current WP7 owners Will you "upgrade" to second gen WP7?

after looking at the next gen specs, are any current wp7 owners going to upgrade to next gen? or wait a bit longer till we get some real phones?

I upgraded because I wanted the improved camera and bigger screen on the Titan, but I could understand people being happy with their mango~fied first gen devices

....I am not going to upgrade my device, at least not for immediately. My contract is still running for another 10 month. I am very happy with my HTC Mozart, I got my 2 updates and will certainly get at least one more (Tango) or even Apollo. The device works smooth and stable like on the first day. It's faster then most of the latest 2core Android devices. It's the first time I am not nervously checking the market for new devices while being half way through my contract. So here I am, sitting back very relaxed and I will wait and see what new WP7 devices will be available next year at this same time....

not giving ATT the pleasure! I love the Samsung Focus it has been dev unlocked since the beginning , but buying a new means added expense to the contract and the specs of the new phones dont change enough to warrant the new purchase!

I need to be WOW'ed and as of now I am not WOW'ed with the current offerings of 2nd gen WP7 devices.
If this all we are getting, I'll stick with my first gen device (Trophy) for a little longer...
Never mind that I am on a CDMA carrier and my choices are VERY limited right now.

Going to switch to android galaxy nexus until windows 8 apollo comes out.
Not impressed with the quality of apps on windows phone. But highly impressed with the OS itself. So will wait for microsoft to attract more support.

I expect my Samsung Focus to last 2 more years. It's smooth and does pretty everything I want. I learned from moving from 3mp to 5mp cell phone camera is the number is irrelevant. Most cellphones just have ****ty cameras, rather just buy a real camera.

As much as I like the metro UI and the performance of the current devices I can't really see WP7 being overly desirable in comparison to other platforms. The marketplace is locked down, with a very limited number of applications. If given the choice of upgrading to a gen 2 device I would switch to Android hands down.
All feelings aside, I'm glad to see the Chevron project making progress. Microsoft needs to loosen up they're grip on the marketplace submission criteria.

karan1203 said:
Going to switch to android galaxy nexus until windows 8 apollo comes out.
Not impressed with the quality of apps on windows phone. But highly impressed with the OS itself. So will wait for microsoft to attract more support.
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Then just support the OS, who cares about apps?
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JustinTV773 said:
Then just support the OS, who cares about apps?
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Who doesn't care about apps?
You're sadly out of touch.
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N8ter said:
Who doesn't care about apps?
You're sadly out of touch.
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You are out of touch too my friend, there are many people I know who do not care about apps, be they iphone users, andoid users, BB users or WP users. There is a huge demographic out there who have smartphones simply because they think they are the cool thing to have, they may use email, they may use BBM, they may use Siri but they rarely is ever use apps. Of course there is another HUGE demographic that DO use apps (myself included), who do care about the size of their relevant app store. I even know one old guy who bought himself a Desire HD because he "liked the look of it" and only uses it for calls and texts. I set him a Gmail account up for the phone but he never even uses that, then there is my aunt who has an iphone 3G and never switches the blasted thing on because she is "saving the battery" in case she needs to make an emergency call, or there is the girl who works for me who only uses her Blackberry for BBM and taking pictures and thats it - trust me, at least 50% of the people I know who own smartphones could get by with a feature phone for all the use they get out of them, but they go into the phone retailers and have expensive smartphones shoved down their throats by pushy sales staff - tragic!!

Anecdotal "evidence" is meaningless. Don't cite "I know many people who.." as proof of anything. Statistics have proven that for iPhones, the average user (as of last January) has 88 apps downloaded and installed on their phone (in addition to the 20 apps that are pre-installed). Certainly, that means that some people have fewer than that number, but it also means that some people have far more.

Exactly. On my iTouch I have over 30 useful third party apps not counting games. On android I have even more (had that device longer). On WP7 I have less than 10 because there simply isn't much worthwhile to get from there. I'm not counting stock and own apps that would be baked into the ROM on other platforms anyways.
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As I posted elsewhere I've been eligible for upgrade for 3 months but I wanted 32GB or nothing. My choices were:
- Upgrade and live with 16GB (could probably get a Lumia 800 for free)
- Upgrade to android/iOS
- Do not upgrade and get a PMP to use alongside my 1st gen phone
It will be annoying to carry two devices but I opted for a Zune HD. The good thing is that I can now cancel my contract and wait until there's a proper phone to upgrade to as the new batch is worthless. With Pay As You Go I won't be tied to any carrier and will even be able to jump ship if the 3rd gen isn't better.

Peew971 said:
As I posted elsewhere I've been eligible for upgrade for 3 months but I wanted 32GB or nothing. My choices were:
- Upgrade and live with 16GB (could probably get a Lumia 800 for free)
- Upgrade to android/iOS
- Do not upgrade and get a PMP to use alongside my 1st gen phone
It will be annoying to carry two devices but I opted for a Zune HD. The good thing is that I can now cancel my contract and wait until there's a proper phone to upgrade to as the new batch is worthless. With Pay As You Go I won't be tied to any carrier and will even be able to jump ship if the 3rd gen isn't better.
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I expect things to radically improve in the next year. MS just hired a Samsung VP to run WP. You know what you get when you put a Korean in control of a smartphone division? Fantastic toys! Think about it like it's Samsung having all that MS dough to come up with amazing products.

JustinTV773 said:
Then just support the OS, who cares about apps?
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I do ?
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N8ter said:
Who doesn't care about apps?
You're sadly out of touch.
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Leaving an OS over 10% of apps is pointless. WMPU did an article that claim that 90% of the most wanted apps from other platforms are now on WP. Just because a certain app isn't available it is not the fault of MS but more the fault of the developer of the app and should not be cause to leave.
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RoboDad said:
Anecdotal "evidence" is meaningless. Don't cite "I know many people who.." as proof of anything. Statistics have proven that for iPhones, the average user (as of last January) has 88 apps downloaded and installed on their phone (in addition to the 20 apps that are pre-installed). Certainly, that means that some people have fewer than that number, but it also means that some people have far more.
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If you want stats, here are some stats,
According to Neilsen, the average smartphone user has 22 apps (37 on iphone)
According to Localytics 1 in 4 downloaded apps are used once then discarded
Again according to Neilsen, the most used apps are Facebook, Google Maps and the Weather Channel (all available on WP7).
According to COMScore (Feb 2011), Users prefer to use mobile web over apps, 34.4% used apps in the USA versus 28% in Europe versus 53% Japan. I am not saying that apps are not important, they clearly are very important, but they are not the be all and end all.

This is a genuine question - how many games does the average smartphone user have? And how many of the top played games are on WP?
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Peew971 said:
This is a genuine question - how many games does the average smartphone user have? And how many of the top played games are on WP?
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I have no idea how many games the average smartphone user has, I have one game, as for top games, the top on the iPAD (I have no iPhone) are bike baron, trivial pursuit, angry birds, sonic and sea All stars racing and aquaria, perhaps someone else can furnish the top games on android.

And we thought ICS under Touchwiz looked bad.... Check this out:

An early leak of HTC's Sense 3.5 running on (over) ICS....
http://goo.gl/JaIyb
(I had to watch quite a bit of this just to make sure it WAS Android 4 running on that phone.)
IMO, Samsung kinda gets a small pass because Touchwiz isn't THAT intrusive, andI just gotta ask...
What in the world is HTC thinking?
^That "interpretation" of ICS is going to sell about zero point zero phones for them in the future.
(and no, I don't even know what language this is in, and the shaky video seems to be just that-not Rom related... Apparently, this build was just released for the Sensation, and most everything works on it, or so I've read.
P.S. : Moderators:
I posted this here, because I know that most of us prolly have owned an HTC device in the past, and have our own opinions about Sense, and that some people might find it interesting.
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My balls just went up into my stomach.

These oems need to wake up.
There's absolutely no need to skin ics.
Ruins everything Google is trying to do

This looks awful!
Just for the record, the rom is in Finnish.

WTF?! Why would they do that. I haven't owned an Evo but it looks like Sense does now minus swiping apps to kill them. Maybe they are just sticking with the formula that has worked for them in the past. Is this real and not some port hackenstein build?
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Yeah, sense 1.0 was great during android 1.x-2.1, now its not needed and slows up development for stock and aftermarket. Google should put their foot down with 4.1 - no vendor skins. Let the hardware options speak for themselves. Acer/Dell/HP don't skin W7 when they deploy laptops and still are able to distinguish themselves. Plus with ICS apparently supporting more secure exchange environments, AOSP finally is an option for me.

Lol looks like sense on GB, touchwiz is much lighter and hopefully they go with a modded stock launcher instead of twlauncher 4.0. Anything beats Rosie either way
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mattykinsx said:
These oems need to wake up.
There's absolutely no need to skin ics.
Ruins everything Google is trying to do
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I think it'll only take one time for it to be proven how it could work as a business model:
If HTC would say, release their next major device like this:
"The HTC Edge, featuring the world's first quad-core processor in a mobile phone, Google's newest version of Android 4.0, and HTC's very own Sense 4.errrrrrrrrrr."
"Scratch that.^"
"Featuring ONLY Google's newest version of Android 4.0, in the spotlight, for you to enjoy the fastest, smoothest, Android Experience possible. "
"Only from HTC."
(I'd go buy that **** in a heartbeat.)
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Wow, way to ruin a good thing. Much rather have TW than that. Why even skin a good thing anyway???WHY????

Imagine buying the newest HTC phone with ICS on it without knowing anything about what to expect with the newest version of Sense:
You leave Best Buy or wherever on launch day, after waiting in line all morning.... You get to your car, and you're kinda shaking with excitement as the phone boots up, you activate it, and you sign into your gmail....
You get the "Your google account is now linked to this device" message and you hit the home button to check things out....
Next, you:
...... (are confused...)
...... wut.
...... "Hold up, what is th... "
...... (flings homescreen, trying to find SOMETHING that resembles what you've seen on the Gnex...)
..... (re-checks Android version #, just to be sure.)
..... (looks around, just to make sure you aren't on "Punk'd")
..... (lastly, screams with rage and slams new phone onto concrete.)
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It's looked the same since FroYo. lol
Never liked Sense to be honest. TW atleast changes the status bar every version.

I use to like Sense for a while now i cant even think of owning an HTC phone with out rooting it and changing it. Touch Wiz was awful but using it on my ET4G i think i got use to it and now i really think it actually ok but nothing beats Android aosp.

I like whatever you're theming haha
Overstew said:
It's looked the same since FroYo. lol
Never liked Sense to be honest. TW atleast changes the status bar every version.
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xlGmanlx said:
I like whatever you're theming haha
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+ 1 Overstew has great taste and epic skills
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As stupid as it is until the day El Goog puts it's foot down on UI standardization this will continue to happen with Motoblur, Touchwiz and--the worst offender--Sense. I'm sure there are more I'm not aware of (LG I'm looking at you).
The manufacturer sees this as another way to brand their device, make it unique...stand out from the legions of other Android phones. HTC (and to a much tinier degree Samsung) is also trying to set up their own ecosystem on the side by providing services that either they get a cut of (whatever HTCs movie service is called, I forget) or they get ad revenue/monetizable user data. HTC obviously seems especially furiously jealous of Apple's vertical integration provided by not just building the phone (which HTC does), but also the whole of the operating system (which Sense is an attempt to do) and the app store/itunes (which their movie service--and I'm sure music and market etc are in the making)....and nearly everybody is in the user-data market.
Frankly, from a purely business point-of-view, you can't blame these companies for at least trying. I don't have to like it...and I don't. But the vast majority of people don't notice let alone care. I don't actually think the differentiation thing is working for them at all. There is not a single non-geek that I know that has purchased a device just because of the UI overlay or any of the integration they may provide.
I also have not known a single non-geek to ever get a different brand of phone and even so much as mention a difference between an OG Droid and an HTC anything....so, I'm not so sure that a> people would even miss it and more importantly b> that it is even working. But, given that they don't appear to be losing anything for trying they will likely not stop until Google says 'knock it off', but, I doubt they will...while it seems unlikely Google wouldn't want to scare a major OEM off of the platform. Sense on WinMo is nearly indistinguishable from Android to 99% of all people. The same would go for Touchwiz on Bada....WebOS is now open source too, I believe.

Did I watch the same video as everyone else? Because what I saw looked fine. Jaw-dropping? No. Hideous? Also, no. It's a decent, cohesive skin that keeps HTC's look while maintaining all the functionality. Looks fine. I prefer a cleaner look, but I wouldn't be pissed off by it.

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As stupid as it is until the day El Goog puts it's foot down on UI standardization this will continue to happen with Motoblur, Touchwiz and--the worst offender--Sense. I'm sure there are more I'm not aware of (LG I'm looking at you).
The manufacturer sees this as another way to brand their device, make it unique...stand out from the legions of other Android phones. HTC (and to a much tinier degree Samsung) is also trying to set up their own ecosystem on the side by providing services that either they get a cut of (whatever HTCs movie service is called, I forget) or they get ad revenue/monetizable user data. HTC obviously seems especially furiously jealous of Apple's vertical integration provided by not just building the phone (which HTC does), but also the whole of the operating system (which Sense is an attempt to do) and the app store/itunes (which their movie service--and I'm sure music and market etc are in the making)....and nearly everybody is in the user-data market.
Frankly, from a purely business point-of-view, you can't blame these companies for at least trying. I don't have to like it...and I don't. But the vast majority of people don't notice let alone care. I don't actually think the differentiation thing is working for them at all. There is not a single non-geek that I know that has purchased a device just because of the UI overlay or any of the integration they may provide.
I also have not known a single non-geek to ever get a different brand of phone and even so much as mention a difference between an OG Droid and an HTC anything....so, I'm not so sure that a> people would even miss it and more importantly b> that it is even working. But, given that they don't appear to be losing anything for trying they will likely not stop until Google says 'knock it off', but, I doubt they will...while it seems unlikely Google wouldn't want to scare a major OEM off of the platform. Sense on WinMo is nearly indistinguishable from Android to 99% of all people. The same would go for Touchwiz on Bada....WebOS is now open source too, I believe.
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Taken in a different context, you could very well have just described the effectiveness (or lack there of) of advertising...lol
Honestly, i don't see why they don't just compete in the hardware market? I mean, in all honesty, that's what's driving the smartphone explosion, not manufacturer skins.
Manufacturer software, though, that's an entirely different story. Like Samsung adding all-share. But this is easily done (manufacturers adding these bits of functionality) without messing with the core system interface, and you'd end up in a better scenario: easier and faster software upgrades
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TurboFool said:
Did I watch the same video as everyone else? Because what I saw looked fine. Jaw-dropping? No. Hideous? Also, no. It's a decent, cohesive skin that keeps HTC's look while maintaining all the functionality. Looks fine. I prefer a cleaner look, but I wouldn't be pissed off by it.
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I agree. Honestly to me, with ICS all the vendor skins look more and more like a custom launcher and some widgets for added value. The settings and multitasking look very similar to ICS. I think the fact that we are seeing vendor builds on ICS so soon after launch is indicative of the similarity to the stock OS.
Really, we shouldn't be asking for Google to lock anything down user interface wise as that's just one step closer to apple. If Google locked out oems, they would have to stop users from using custom launchers as well. The only thing Google should mandate is that vendors release full source code (including proprietary drivers) for any android release. That would do a lot to clean up problems, if vendors knew their code was actually getting looked at by millions of eyes.
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I couldn't watch more than a minute of that video. I'm sooooo turned off by Sense after having been on the Evo 4G. I jumped on the AOSP train and never got off. I guess these phone companies feel the need to differentiate themselves from the pack. They do so by throwing their ugly UI on top of android OS.

squshy 7 said:
Taken in a different context, you could very well have just described the effectiveness (or lack there of) of advertising...lol
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Given that Google is at the epicenter of this peculiar universe that may well be the actual context. Always remember that Google is an advertising company, first and foremost. The, nearly 100% free, awesome technology is just a very fortunate side effect.
Honestly, i don't see why they don't just compete in the hardware market? I mean, in all honesty, that's what's driving the smartphone explosion, not manufacturer skins.
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If they did that they would have absolutely nothing differentiating the different phones besides price, for the most part...and that's a race to the bottom. Nobody wants that. It's like the difference between Apple's margins and everybody elses.
I'm not entirely convinced that we aren't already on a race to the bottom. Note my earlier comments on the lack of effectiveness of this type of branding to most people. (There are Sense fanboys, Touchwiz enthusiasts and even, shudder, Motoblur fans).
If they want to be Apple so bad why not go it alone and make your own damn OS and marketplace....oh yeah, that boat sailed 5 years ago. Apple won't license iOS. Android is king of the commodity currently. This is all they really can do.
Manufacturer software, though, that's an entirely different story. Like Samsung adding all-share. But this is easily done (manufacturers adding these bits of functionality) without messing with the core system interface, and you'd end up in a better scenario: easier and faster software upgrades
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100% Agreed. I think in a couple years when the dust settles we will probably see exactly that happen. Once Android stops getting "major updates" constantly. Once manufacturers stop pumping out a giant range of phones constantly and just make one really awesome flagship phone in 2 or 3 sizes and let the last model of really-awesome-phone be the second tier model instead of ****ting up the store fronts with a nonstop range of brand new crap. Once Apple has been squished back into their extremely profitable but small niche corner (just like with the Mac VS PC in the 80's). Once the 'next big thing' comes along that blows minds and changes and integrates society and technology just a little more.
Until then every Android handset maker is going to try to make a unique image and name for their small shop in the mall food-court that is the current Android landscape. lol
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Apple is perfect position.

OK first off I'm not an apple fanboy or any fanboy for that matter I love tech and gadgets. Second it is a sad day for many people like me because I am tied to sprint for life probably mainly because of price and unlimited data. (That's not the sad part). So with that said I am tied to their phones and right now with the current phones and android it is a sad cluster f$%#. ICS is great just on its own but Sammy and HTC don't care. Updates come like whenever, maybe 8 months later to a year maybe never.
All future phones on sprint are a letdown at this point sg3, evo one, galaxy nexus is great but no lte. Android is just a hot mess I don't even know the point of pure Google of only 1 percent actually have it.
Apple is in perfect position because if the iPhone 5 is bigger and beautiful and powerful its a wrap. Once lte is up I can't find any reason to stay with Android or anything other. Google paved the way for apple to crush them because they have no standards. I have used android pretty intensely and its just all over the place. A bigger retina better battery iPhone will be a killer. And who knows what IOS 6 will be.
I know many of you will flame but if you can't understand at least one point then you are blind. I'm not bashing Android I love ics and wish I had it running perfect on my phone.
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Dude I typed it on my phone maybe its not your first language.
Stop being such a fanboy.
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Fataldesain said:
OK first off I'm not an apple fanboy or any fanboy for that matter I love tech and gadgets. Second it is a sad day for many people like me because I am tied to sprint for life probably mainly because of price and unlimited data. (That's not the sad part). So with that said I am tied to their phones and right now with the current phones and android it is a sad cluster f$%#. ICS is great just on its own but Sammy and HTC don't care. Updates come like whenever, maybe 8 months later to a year maybe never.
All future phones on sprint are a letdown at this point sg3, evo one, galaxy nexus is great but no lte. Android is just a hot mess I don't even know the point of pure Google of only 1 percent actually have it.
Apple is in perfect position because if the iPhone 5 is bigger and beautiful and powerful its a wrap. Once lte is up I can't find any reason to stay with Android or anything other. Google paved the way for apple to crush them because they have no standards. I have used android pretty intensely and its just all over the place. A bigger retina better battery iPhone will be a killer. And who knows what IOS 6 will be.
I know many of you will flame but if you can't understand at least one point then you are blind. I'm not bashing Android I love ics and wish I had it running perfect on my phone.
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if you are running behind an the newest os by android then your an ass .all i care about is if the phone does what i want when i want it to! as for lte buy a laptop if you need to be online that much and you want it fast. dont get sucked in by lte craze,tes its fast btut if you spend that much time on your phones internet YOU NEED A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!

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Dude I typed it on my phone maybe its not your first language.
Stop being such a fanboy.
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although i just skimmed over it, your typing and language look fine to me. i dont know what that other dude is talking about.

How bout we have at least one thread that doesn't resort to arguing and name calling? Arguing is going to happen, I understand that, but try doing it in an adult manner.
If not, I can shut this one down also.
---Jay--- From the CM9 powered E4GT

I don't quite see how android is a mess? Just because Samsung has touchwiz and HTC has Sense? You do realize that both companies do provide updates to their phones right? Yes, I realize the move from Froyo -> Gingerbread -> ICS isn't fast...but that's copmarable to IOS 3 -> 4 -> 5 (which is also about once a year). The minor updates in betweens are generally fixes for things, and a lot have been purely to patch exploits by jailbreakers which further locks the phone down. Officially our phones have recieved 2 updates, and we're waiting on the official 3rd to move to ICS.
The new iPhone will be a hit...because it is an iPhone, simple as that. The bigger size will attract some more people, but seeing how the 4S was a lackluster upgrade and it was Apple's top selling phone, crushing any android phone's sale. This next one will do the same. Personally, and I'm guessing for many on XDA who enjoy modding the crap out of their phones, iPhones aren't really an option...especially the way it is now making jailbreak exploits even harder to come by.

Lets all have a drink
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Damn, people are upset since the specs were released! Part that caught my eye is "no LTE." I thought the GNex was the first phone that had it?

I stopped at " OK first off I'm not an apple fanboy..."

phatmanxxl said:
I stopped at " OK first off I'm not an apple fanboy..."
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Me too!!!
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I stopped at " OK first off I'm not an apple fanboy..."
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Lol'd.

You don't see how android is a mess. First what is android to most people you will get a 100 different answers.
Ics has on screen buttons really not on Sammy and HTC phones.
How many versions of Android are there running now on phones.
Somebody makes a game or app works/tested on some phones not working for many but you can still buy it even though it doesn't work.
I could go on
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I stopped at " OK first off I'm not an apple fanboy..."
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Well because if speak any truth that's anti android we all know how that ends up. I guess some of you are happy about the eco one and sg3 I thought they were both a letdown
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Well because if speak any truth that's anti android we all know how that ends up. I guess some of you are happy about the eco one and sg3 I thought they were both a letdown
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I think you're passing judgement on them before giving them a try. Their specs have been released, but you haven't held onto them yet. I don't think the next iPhone will be a mind blower either, it'll probably be similar to the specifications of the EVO LTE or SGSIII.
The SGS2 is definitely my kind of phone, the only thing I'll need is LTE when it comes to my area. We'll see how it goes.

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I could go on
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Please dont

Fataldesain said:
You don't see how android is a mess. First what is android to most people you will get a 100 different answers.
Ics has on screen buttons really not on Sammy and HTC phones.
How many versions of Android are there running now on phones.
Somebody makes a game or app works/tested on some phones not working for many but you can still buy it even though it doesn't work.
I could go on
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my car uses gas but i can still buy diesel........people have pc's and buy games that they cant play on it because of hardware issues, just like phones, its YOUR responsibility to do a little research on if something can/will/properly run on your device.

I'm going to go ahead and shut this one down. Seems like a troll thread to me.
There is a place in the android general section that would better suit this discussion.
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Samsung Software NO Android?

Source: http://m.intomobile.com/2012/06/18/samsungs-new-ceo-talks-develping-its-own-mobile-software/
Samsung developing its own Sortware and leaving Android success behind? Although I doubt it and this article is probably about TW refresh but the idea of Samsung software will personally keep me away. To me Samsung is a sexy hardware but it's own implementation of TW etc drives me nuts. Say Samsung does abandon Android, I personally will say Goodbye, how about you? Imagine sexy software but no Android... Will you stick with Samsung?
Samsung must be mistaken to have me follow their TW or anything even better.

They've tried this multiple times most recently with Bada...for Samsung Android is just a way to gain money while behind scenes they create a better one or thats what they think
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From what I read about the interview the high end phones will still be android and they were improving on tw read the engadget article about this and then click the source
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I agree, Samsung makes one sexy piece of hardware. However, I too will part ways if they decide to leave Android for their own OS.
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w.e I'm not a fan boy of a manufacturer. I'll just jump to HTC or moto or lg
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w.e I'm not a fan boy of a manufacturer. I'll just jump to HTC or moto or lg
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All except moto...I don't find their phones attractive

A lot of manufacturers seem to have "Apple Envy". They see what Apple did with the iPhone and think they can re-produce it. It takes someone really good at stealing stuff and reselling it as your own to be Apple. I don't think many other companies could do it.
Or, you could go the Microsoft route and just license the hell out of everything.

Samsung is a beast.....everything in my house is Samsung ... If they wanna leave Android and do their own thing...I say go for it, they been setting back watching how Android been doin things and taking things over..now its time for Samsung to bring out the guns and strike...They have been planning this for a while...it was just a matter of time
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Shadow_God said:
Samsung is a beast.....everything in my house is Samsung ... If they wanna leave Android and do their own thing...I say go for it, they been setting back watching how Android been doin things and taking things over..now its time for Samsung to bring out the guns and strike...They have been planning this for a while...it was just a matter of time
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My personal experience with Samsung = LoS, ICS almost 1 year later and still no go. TW, well I'm sure someone loves it, just not me.
Say Samsung does go off route, I think Sharp will come out striking lol. And the app market, lets start the count from 1+ lol

Samsung without Android... Hell NO!

Webos
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Alex1x said:
My personal experience with Samsung = LoS, ICS almost 1 year later and still no go. TW, well I'm sure someone loves it, just not me.
Say Samsung does go off route, I think Sharp will come out striking lol. And the app market, lets start the count from 1+ lol
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I'm not a fan of TW either but its easy to get rid of...some UI out that isn't that easy and will still run in the background if you like it or not.....Samsung pushes the button of technology.....smart TV (hello Samsung), blue led fridge, the do everything washer/dryer....lol...I know the need to work on the software portion....but I not gonna drop them cuz they wanna do it all themselves...I'm sure you can root it and someone will figure out to put the market back on and stuff just like they did with the Kindle Fire...let em try, you never know they could surprise you
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if they do i hope they will still make android phones. i personally like the match with samsung and android. makes me even more of a fan boy i suppose, but i guess im just a android guy, i just think samsung is the only competitor big enough for apple. plus i love the fact that when i pull out my samsung phone around apple people they start bashing me, then i let them know a little info, they shut up real quick. but i hope they dont move all phones over to whatever theyre gonna call this os.

If it will be better than Android, why not?
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no android no samsung
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Look at what's happened in the past 6 months alone:
1) Google closed on Motorola Mobility (right here in my backyard) - meaning Motorola is out of the mobile biz if I understand correctly. To do it Google had to promise to keep Android open for 5 more years... and I doubt it will be much longer than that for newer versions.
2) Microsoft is launching their own tablet - a big shift in things because they're adopting the idea that controlling the hw and sw sides will end up with a better product - and in general is right (so long as the dev support is there)
So if this is the model being taken - give a generic version (at a fee) for manufacturers who want it but keep the best completely in house - then Samsung has 5 years to really work on that before they'd have to even think about departing from Android on any devices. My guess is this would be on low end devices first to potentially avoid licensing fees for Android in the future - but time will tell.
But hey, this is all speculation and a lot changes every year - I'll just wait and see for now.

i hope android never goes close and restricted
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Whole new OS?
Of course we'd all ditch it.
If it's not open-source.
Unless they can unveil it with some sort of 'cant-live-without' features package.
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I don't see another OS getting huge developer support.
I'm sure the Galaxy name will help them sell but once consumers learn it doesn't have all the same apps it will flop.

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Look at what's happened in the past 6 months alone:
1) Google closed on Motorola Mobility (right here in my backyard) - meaning Motorola is out of the mobile biz if I understand correctly. To do it Google had to promise to keep Android open for 5 more years... and I doubt it will be much longer than that for newer versions.
2) Microsoft is launching their own tablet - a big shift in things because they're adopting the idea that controlling the hw and sw sides will end up with a better product - and in general is right (so long as the dev support is there)
So if this is the model being taken - give a generic version (at a fee) for manufacturers who want it but keep the best completely in house - then Samsung has 5 years to really work on that before they'd have to even think about departing from Android on any devices. My guess is this would be on low end devices first to potentially avoid licensing fees for Android in the future - but time will tell.
But hey, this is all speculation and a lot changes every year - I'll just wait and see for now.
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Sweet. Now my Friend can shut up about how his moto X2 is better then my Epic touch. Even stock, we all know who's is better.
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