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No need to read... I am just gonna vent a little

I was fooling myself that I got great phone, but I am done as of now... windows mobile is a piece of broken, plastered together laggy piece of ****. No miracle ROM is going to change that. I have spent $350 on a piece of garbage. I am waiting for a Iphone 4G and going to buy some more AAPL shares. Thanks to all the Chefs and great community here for at least trying to make this miserable phone work a little bit better.
Good luck everybody
Ex Rhodium owner

How long did you have your device? I know your tired of it but Athine OS ROM may give it a fresh breath.
Why Apple? I mean that Sh*& is SOO locked down! you will likely have to jailbrake it to as much as tether(simular on windows/android but you dont have to boot connected to black box or PC)
And i do sympathize with you about WinMo it is laggy out of the box. myself I enjoy tweaking and learning how it ticks.
However if i may i would like to suggest the evo 4g. its android. people who know know. you know?
my beef with apple is while i like my apple II C i did not pay for it and ill never give them a cent. good luck running flash with Iphone 4g as they pissed off adobe and simply wont support it out of the box.
Now as for Windows Phone 7 thats just garbage! its so sad to see the HD3 coming out with that. poor thing wont be able to multi task or copy/paste!
Now I only use windows on a PC when I absolutely HAVE to other than that im on Linux.
The evo 4g and iphone 4g will debut around the same time (June/2010) and HD3 will come out when it does, i dont remember when.
In summary it cool to have beef with Microsoft but go Linux(Android) first NOT Apple!!
Thats my vent thanks if you read it have a great day

I have had my phone for 9 months. Long enough to express my opinion. Rhodium is great phone, best keyboard I have seen. You said that WinMo is great for tweaking, but I need my phone to work, funny that is has been advertised a business phone.
I don't want to tweak it, I want it to work. I need to take pictures wile on the job, email or MMS them to my partner, listen to streaming music while traveling between the work sites and use calendar. Is it too much to ask ? I have tried to use use iphone for week, it just works, I can do everything... no stress UI just flows, fast responsive, emailing taking pictures and listenig to online radio , everything working right out of the box. Paypal, grooveshark they dont even have applications for WinMo.... this OS is falling into obscurity and they don't want to put their applications on it. I feel like an imbecile that i fell work "business" marketing garbage. I will definitely look into evo 4g, but I am not going back to WinMo. Anybody wants to buy a Rhodium ?

Not that my suggestion will make any difference, but if you want a plain phone that just works throw HTC Sense into the virtual recycle bin...HTC sense is much more for multimedia than business. There are some great WinMo apps that spruce up the basic today screen to give you quick links. You can also try out Titanium, which a lot of people have done some cool UI stuff with.
You can actually download nanoshark, which I believe is a UI to interact with grooveshark. I've also found (not tested) a paypal software for WinMo in one search: http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-paypal-mobile-by-smarttouch.html
At the end of the day, it seems those who throw in the towels have made up their mind day 1. Best of luck w/ your next phone and I really do hope you think twice about over paying and lining apples pocket.

I had same feelings as you...... BUT!!
bombastus said:
I was fooling myself that I got great phone, but I am done as of now... windows mobile is a piece of broken, plastered together laggy piece of ****. No miracle ROM is going to change that. I have spent $350 on a piece of garbage. I am waiting for a Iphone 4G and going to buy some more AAPL shares. Thanks to all the Chefs and great community here for at least trying to make this miserable phone work a little bit better.
Good luck everybody
Ex Rhodium owner[/
I bought my Tilt2 and had it about 6 months and was sick about how it preformed in every way. I taught myself how to flash ROM's by reading forum after forum after forum. Thanks to all the guys on this forum that has made me proud to be an owner of a Tilt2. There are many great ROM's here to try but if you only have time to try just one, please try valkyrie.ftp v6.2.25009TR2.5 you will love your phone. In my area my internet speeds are better than any iPhone I have came across. I take them to mobilespeedtest.com and they are like ... dang man ... now what kind of phone did you say you had. lol Trust me man, b4 you sell your phone or trade it off, try this ROM and let the fun begin ....... been there ..... now loving my Tilt2 .... good luck!!!
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bombastus said:
I was fooling myself that I got great phone, but I am done as of now... windows mobile is a piece of broken, plastered together laggy piece of ****. No miracle ROM is going to change that. I have spent $350 on a piece of garbage. I am waiting for a Iphone 4G and going to buy some more AAPL shares. Thanks to all the Chefs and great community here for at least trying to make this miserable phone work a little bit better.
Good luck everybody
Ex Rhodium owner
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if anything go with the EVO 4g...it blows iphone 4g out da water..plus it has two cams for video conferencing and a 4.3 in. AMOLED capacitive touchscreen with pinch to zoom. plus the new wimax frequencies. or that new dell thunder coming out is looking pretty hot right now.
sorry to hear about ur bad experience with WM. after doing the various fixes and patches, my device NEVER lags on the TF3d UI or while in wm. everything works..can easily do all the stuff u said iphone 4g can do with no problems. fixes/patches meaning: memory leak mod, sd tune up, no push internet, dynamic proxy, deleted bloatware, plus my AtmDng 3d driver helps alot.
im due for an official upgrade from at&t. ima eventually let my girl have this one. i want a bigger screen...lol there are some powerhouse devices about to drop this summer and fall. this rhodium is just my training grounds for future devices. i got this as a warranty replacement for my original kaiser/tilt, since they stop makin them or whatever.. wrked out good for me..lol the phone now is a million times better and faster thn when i took it out the box. Go XDA

The Iphone/ipods are designed that anyone from the age of 3 years to 90 years old can pick it up and just use it. Which is great... BUT when you want to do something with it it wasnt originally intended to do you have to wait for their "official updates" or jailbreak your phone which alot of mac-aholics are nervous about. The great thing I have seen about windows phones is dev's have actually developed ways to get the phones up to par with newer models without having to flash and void warranties. This I realized very quickly when I moved from palm to htc and had my Vogue. I was able to get TF2D working on that before TF2D was even released. Now if you still have the Vogue you can actually have it working as a fully fledged android device!
The Touch Pro and Touch Pro 2 were the same. Right now you don't even need to have to flash a custom rom to get sense 2.5 running anymore. They have that all cabbed up for us (mind you I still flash.) Taking programs from other phones and tweaking them to work on ours seems to work fairly easy as well.
You can't do HALF the things possible with the iphones you can do with even the most basic windows mobile phone. The phone thing I thought the Iphone had that was better then the touch pro was the screen size. However, the display resolution was just garbage. That was quickly fixed with the Touch Pro 2 I would say.
Basically think of the Iphone like an automatic car..... then windows mobile phones are more like standard/stick cars. You have more control over what the "Car" can do and when... you can tweak its performance to better suit whatever your need might be.
If you like the Iphone interface guess what... you can download a skin that mimic's it almost exactly!!!

bombastus said:
Anybody wants to buy a Rhodium ?
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Hey! I do !

The Iphone/ipods are designed that anyone from the age of 3 years to 90 years old can pick it up and just use it. Which is great... BUT when you want to do something with it it wasnt originally intended to do you have to wait for their "official updates" or jailbreak your phone which alot of mac-aholics are nervous about. The great thing I have seen about windows phones is dev's have actually developed ways to get the phones up to par with newer models without having to flash and void warranties. This I realized very quickly when I moved from palm to htc and had my Vogue. I was able to get TF2D working on that before TF2D was even released. Now if you still have the Vogue you can actually have it working as a fully fledged android device!
The Touch Pro and Touch Pro 2 were the same. Right now you don't even need to have to flash a custom rom to get sense 2.5 running anymore. They have that all cabbed up for us (mind you I still flash.) Taking programs from other phones and tweaking them to work on ours seems to work fairly easy as well.
You can't do HALF the things possible with the iphones you can do with even the most basic windows mobile phone. The phone thing I thought the Iphone had that was better then the touch pro was the screen size. However, the display resolution was just garbage. That was quickly fixed with the Touch Pro 2 I would say.
Basically think of the Iphone like an automatic car..... then windows mobile phones are more like standard/stick cars. You have more control over what the "Car" can do and when... you can tweak its performance to better suit whatever your need might be.
If you like the Iphone interface guess what... you can download a skin that mimic's it almost exactly!!!
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good analogy..on wm like a manual/stick
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I know what you mean, execpt for me it is just the opposite. I got my Tilt 2 after I threw my iPhone across the room because you can't do a damn thing with it unless you jailbreak it and then it never is quiet right. I have a Samsung that is goatbreaked and a Motorola that is modded and now I am learning this Windows Mobile stuff. It is fun and most of the stuff I try actually works. Go figure!!! LoL !!! anyway I guess that is my two cents and to each his own. Good luck with your iPhone if it fits your needs. - Take care

bombastus said:
I don't want to tweak it, I want it to work. I need to take pictures wile on the job, email or MMS them to my partner, listen to streaming music while traveling between the work sites and use calendar. Is it too much to ask ?
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All of these things worked just fine for me out of the box on my ATT Tilt2, and that stock ROM has been blasted as the worst, most bloated version.
And what is so hard about taking pictures with the TP2? Its simple and works great. And low-light photos on the iPhone are absolutely aweful on the iPhone. In a side-by-comparison, indoor low light photos on the TP2 blow away the iPhone.
Going from the TP2 to the iPhone is one end of the spectrum to the other. I'll agree that if you don't like to tweak and customize, than the TP2 is probably not for you. And the iPhone is about as customizable as a microwave oven.

So I hear that one of these phones is coming to Sprint soon...

And I'm thinking about picking it up. I currently have the Epic 4G and I had the Evo and honestly..I just dont like how Android is doing things. Spent more time tweaking and messing with it instead of using it as a phone and it still bugs me :/
But the point of this thread wasnt to bring that up..here's what I'd like to know:
This is how I use my phone. A few calls. I used to text a whole bunch...then I realized how dumb that was so now I only send about 20 a day. I listen to music a sht ton and I also use the browser a sht ton as well. I, however, dont use any apps other than the apps given to me from the get-go.
Would any windows phone 7's battery life be able to cover those things for at least 4-5 hours? Also, what are the biggest issues with windows phone 7 right now? And by that I simply mean problems that can be found on all phones, not just things that you dont like personally.
And I was googling and youtubing trying to answer those things for myself and I saw this one video..and this guy went to the bottom of the screen and on the bottom right it had what looked like some XBL stuff...the games on these phones run multiplayer through XBL?

ms79723 said:
But the point of this thread wasnt to bring that up..here's what I'd like to know:
This is how I use my phone. A few calls. I used to text a whole bunch...then I realized how dumb that was so now I only send about 20 a day. I listen to music a sht ton and I also use the browser a sht ton as well. I, however, dont use any apps other than the apps given to me from the get-go. Would any windows phone 7's battery life be able to cover those things for at least 4-5 hours?
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WP7 should do this perfectly fine. The browser is great, with zune listening to Music is perfect. And from what I hear battery life in general is great.
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Also, what are the biggest issues with windows phone 7 right now? And by that I simply mean problems that can be found on all phones, not just things that you dont like personally.
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The major issues currently are, it can't connect to a hidden wifi network, the marketplace is a little buggy and will crash at times, no copy/paste if that matters to you. Though the marketplace and c/p are getting fixed in the update that is coming out in the next week or so.
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And I was googling and youtubing trying to answer those things for myself and I saw this one video..and this guy went to the bottom of the screen and on the bottom right it had what looked like some XBL stuff...the games on these phones run multiplayer through XBL?
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Full multiplayer isn't there...yet. Turn based multi-player is however

Battery life on WP is better than android in my opinion (definately depends on battery size, etc).
Windows phone is nice, I was sick of android (had an evo on sprint) as well so I jumped ship over to AT&T and got the focus. Windows phone is a breath of fresh air. Android is just so choppy and hacked together... Gingerbread is nice, but still slow compared to windows.

Yeah I have been thinking about getting the Arrive (pro7)on sprint when its released. I have played around with WP7 a few times when I go to Best Buy, and I like the simplicity of the UI. its almost like the difference between iOS and Honeycomb. I love android to death, I'm just ready for a change I guess. It's worth a try anyway, if I don't like it I can always go back to my EVO or my Shift. And from what I have read about the Arrive on Sprint, it will come with copy and paste out of the box on the 20th.
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Omega Ra said:
WP7 should do this perfectly fine. The browser is great, with zune listening to Music is perfect. And from what I hear battery life in general is great.
The major issues currently are, it can't connect to a hidden wifi network, the marketplace is a little buggy and will crash at times, no copy/paste if that matters to you. Though the marketplace and c/p are getting fixed in the update that is coming out in the next week or so.
Full multiplayer isn't there...yet. Turn based multi-player is however
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Seriously? That's all? I'm liking WP7 already! Well..I mean those are problems and I dont like problems but I dont even go to the market on my epic and I dont use wifi...I probably wouldnt have even noticed those things if I had the device and nobody brought it up.
courtlandre said:
Battery life on WP is better than android in my opinion (definately depends on battery size, etc).
Windows phone is nice, I was sick of android (had an evo on sprint) as well so I jumped ship over to AT&T and got the focus. Windows phone is a breath of fresh air. Android is just so choppy and hacked together... Gingerbread is nice, but still slow compared to windows.
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Well I saw that this one WP7 phone had like a 1200mah battery and it got 12 hours which is pretty impressive even with medium use. I think the one for sprint will have atleast a 1500mah so Im excited! And yeah, Android is just so damn choppy...and Android does get A LOT of things right but at the same time, they get a lot wrong...which wouldnt be a problem if they planned on fixing those issues but I just dont see any fixes in the future. The OS is too busy trying to steal the gamers from iOS...providing a smooth experience just doesnt seem top priority right now...and thats a shame.
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Yeah I have been thinking about getting the Arrive (pro7)on sprint when its released. I have played around with WP7 a few times when I go to Best Buy, and I like the simplicity of the UI. its almost like the difference between iOS and Honeycomb. I love android to death, I'm just ready for a change I guess. It's worth a try anyway, if I don't like it I can always go back to my EVO or my Shift. And from what I have read about the Arrive on Sprint, it will come with copy and paste out of the box on the 20th.
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Yeah that Arrive is what Im looking forward to. And like you say, if I dont like it im in the same boat as you... I can just activate my Epic again and it'd be all good. But I doubt I'll go back.

Why does my phone get so unstable after awhile?

This has been going on for awhile now but it keeps getting worse and worse. My Tilt2 is extremely unstable. Usually after I flash it it will be fine for awhile, a couple of weeks maybe. After that it gets progressively more and more unstable. It gets less and less responsive, especially when waking, programs close without warning, I sometimes get graphical glitches. Hard locks are not uncommon. There have been days that I have had to soft reset my phone 3 or 4 times during the day.
Sense seems to be at least part of the culprit. Restarting it when things aren't responding seems to help sometimes. I sometimes have had some luck with deleting all of my text messages but that is only temporary at best.
I have been running Energy ROMs for the most part. Other ROMS I have tried have behaved similarly. XDAndroid is also abnormally unstable.
Could a bad SD card be causing the problems? I was trying to record a video with my phone a few days ago and it just suddenly stopped without warning. Trying to start the recording again resulted in it recording maybe a half second and then stopping again. Changing the storage to internal memory allowed recording normally. The camera app has also popped up a message about a new sd card being detected a couple of times recently.

May I add, that I have had enough with this phone. It's absolutely unreliable for any business worker who really needs a phone that can do simple tasks such as check emails, use bluetooth and of course, make a damn phone call - and it sucks at doing so.
I have flashed it with energy, and I must point out the dev has done a good job in appearance, other than that windows 6.1 - 6.5 is a TERRIBLE OS. I don't care what others have to say; if you can prove me wrong, then show a video that the phone is great.
I have numerous occasions where the phone just starts playing up. One huge annoyance is making calls. If someone calls you, who then later hangs up, the first thing you do is check who it is and then unlock the phone. But once you unlock it sometimes it doesn't allow you to press anything on the screen. You are then forced to reset the phone and wait for the boot screen and after that you are taken to the damn TIME REGION setting which takes an eternity to get to (like i already INPUT the place from before, why the hell must I remind the effin phone again?), afterwards even when you make a call, the call connects but you cannot hear ANYONE on the other line - thus you have to RESET the phone AGAIN!
Even once you are on a call, there are times that the phone decides to END IT. One may ask, "well your ear probably touched something" - great, nice to know my ear can act as a small stylus that SOMEHOW it can go slide all the way to the connectivity area and just by chance HIT the 'airplane' mode making the phone unavailable thus ending your call - this has co-incidentally happened to me already about 25 times!
I can keep going on, but check out my rant review on the got mine section here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=521271&page=173 - and read till the end.

While it has tons of nice eye candy, Energy is not the best in terms of speed and stability. Try a more lightweight ROM, like Jackos. Simplicity is also excellent, although it hasn't been updated in a while. Both of these ROMs are more lightweight, and manage memory better than Energy.

Got room for a "me too"? I've said it before. I don't know if the problem is HTC, Windows, or AT&T...or a combination of the three, but I have: Unreliable, painfully slow 3G; frequent dropped phone calls; Internet browser DNS failures; Wi-fi that seems to be just for show; and finally, a phone that is so slow to respond to any screen taps or button pushses that it tests my patience daily. Oh yes, I almost forgot, I have to reset the phone at least every other day and sometimes as often as twice in one day.
I still have ten months on my contract, and then it is goodbye to HTC, ATT, and Windows Mobile. I know you die hards here on the forum say iPhone is for kids and Windows is for business, but for my business, a working phone is what is important, and this ain't it!

redpoint73 said:
While it has tons of nice eye candy, Energy is not the best in terms of speed and stability. Try a more lightweight ROM, like Jackos. Simplicity is also excellent, although it hasn't been updated in a while. Both of these ROMs are more lightweight, and manage memory better than Energy.
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If you must go Energy though, stick with the "Reference" builds. It does't have all the apps you never use on it, just the important ones. Runs much better on speed and battery life for me.

Although I will probably go with an android phone next contract cycle, windows mobile 7 (or whatever it's called) is actually quite nice.

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If you must go Energy though, stick with the "Reference" builds. It does't have all the apps you never use on it, just the important ones. Runs much better on speed and battery life for me.
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Yep. I am using that. And I am still very annoyed with this phone.

dirty_johnny said:
Although I will probably go with an android phone next contract cycle, windows mobile 7 (or whatever it's called) is actually quite nice.
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Yes, WM7 might indeed be nice. However, in spite of the typical Microsoft promises, there are still few apps for WM 7...just like prior versions of WM. iPhone, Android, and Blackberry. If you don't have one of those, you are SOL.
BTW, avatar28, I just had to do my fifth hard reset since installing ROM 2.nnnn, so I took this opportunity to go back to the original 1.5nnn ROM. I had almost forgotten how much I lost with the "upgrade", not the least of which is the task manager icon on the home screen and the ability to select from All Programs without having to install each one on a button. Yeah, I no longer have a video recorder, but I'll deal with it (LOL)!

dirty_johnny said:
Although I will probably go with an android phone next contract cycle, windows mobile 7 (or whatever it's called) is actually quite nice.
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You do realize WP7 is closed-source... right? That means not NEARLY as much development and such that you got on the Tilt2/TP2. Get Android and you will be able to customize even more than you did in winmo, and have a stable overclock.

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You do realize WP7 is closed-source... right? That means not NEARLY as much development and such that you got on the Tilt2/TP2. Get Android and you will be able to customize even more than you did in winmo, and have a stable overclock.
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Yeh but i rather get a WP7 than deal with the **** Wm6+ has to offer even if it does have more development. Even if it does, that doesn't entirely mean the phone is going to be very stable in performing.

sharkfinrazor said:
Yeh but i rather get a WP7 than deal with the **** Wm6+ has to offer even if it does have more development. Even if it does, that doesn't entirely mean the phone is going to be very stable in performing.
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Android is very stable and is much more aesthetically pleasing in my opinion than WP7. The possibilities with android are so much more vast than WP7. The whole windows phone as a whole is slowly deteriorating and I feel sorry that you don't understand that. It still has hardly any apps compared to Android or even iPhone. You seem like you want a stock operating system though, so I guess if you really want to stay away from modding and customizing your phone, get that 'soon to be dead' WP7.
Modding (open source) = Android
Stock (closed source) = WP7

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You do realize WP7 is closed-source... right? That means not NEARLY as much development and such that you got on the Tilt2/TP2. Get Android and you will be able to customize even more than you did in winmo, and have a stable overclock.
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Like I said, I will most likely go with an android phone next go around - specifically because of the open vs closed source. However - I know of some upcoming things that might also make the win 7 mobile even more of a nice package (for the right consumer). Or maybe it will lead to another release of a new mobile operating platform (ala win 7 trumping 6.5). Time will tell.
To be perfectly honest, I only have the win 6.5 phone because it was free with a 2 year. Verizon, T-Mobile, and Sprint are currently running a similar deal on win 7 phones. Free is a pretty compelling argument.

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Like I said, I will most likely go with an android phone next go around - specifically because of the open vs closed source. However - I know of some upcoming things that might also make the win 7 mobile even more of a nice package (for the right consumer). Or maybe it will lead to another release of a new mobile operating platform (ala win 7 trumping 6.5). Time will tell.
To be perfectly honest, I only have the win 6.5 phone because it was free with a 2 year. Verizon, T-Mobile, and Sprint are currently running a similar deal on win 7 phones. Free is a pretty compelling argument.
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It depends on how you order your priorities. In my opinion, my phone is something I use many many times every single day. I want to be able to constantly change it and be excited about it all the time (I got bored with winmo after a while). I just bought a non-contract android phone for around $400 and to me that is worth it, to others who don't care as much about modding and such, it probably wouldn't be worth it.

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It depends on how you order your priorities. In my opinion, my phone is something I use many many times every single day. I want to be able to constantly change it and be excited about it all the time (I got bored with winmo after a while). I just bought a non-contract android phone for around $400 and to me that is worth it, to others who don't care as much about modding and such, it probably wouldn't be worth it.
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Dude, I can buy one whole tire for that amount

Hehe. I've been so busy lately I almost forgot about this thread. I haven't even been on the boards.
bowserb said:
Yes, WM7 might indeed be nice. However, in spite of the typical Microsoft promises, there are still few apps for WM 7...just like prior versions of WM. iPhone, Android, and Blackberry. If you don't have one of those, you are SOL.
BTW, avatar28, I just had to do my fifth hard reset since installing ROM 2.nnnn, so I took this opportunity to go back to the original 1.5nnn ROM. I had almost forgotten how much I lost with the "upgrade", not the least of which is the task manager icon on the home screen and the ability to select from All Programs without having to install each one on a button. Yeah, I no longer have a video recorder, but I'll deal with it (LOL)!
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I don't know that I would say there are very few apps. They just announced the 20k mark at the end of May (doubled in about a month). It's not a lot compared to the 300k or whatever on iOS but a lot of those are basically clones of each other anyways. A lot of iOS and 'Droid apps are just packaged HTML5 anyways and will be easy to port if/when WP7 gets some traction.
I think I may give a different ROM a shot. Something without CHT2 since I think that's some of the problem and I've gotten to where I don't even bother customizing it anymore because of hard resets/reflashes.
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You do realize WP7 is closed-source... right? That means not NEARLY as much development and such that you got on the Tilt2/TP2. Get Android and you will be able to customize even more than you did in winmo, and have a stable overclock.
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I think there is a lot more application development on WP7. But you're right about there being a lot less development of customizations and the like. Maybe with Mango we'll get more adoption and that will help things.
Honestly, I really want a new phone but I'm trying to hold off. I really want to see what Mango and the new version of Android bring to the table and I want some better hardware than the current crop of WP7 offerings. Something with specs similar to the T-Mo G2 maybe.

I have to agree this phone is a disappointment. Part of the problem is that it is underpowered for the software it runs i.e. WinMo/Sense 2.5. I find that a process called GWES keeps expanding over time since last soft reset and consumes a large slab of runtime memory. The effect of this is to make things like the camera really slow to load. I don't know if it is a memory leak but it seems rediculous having a process that doesn't have some restrictions on its memory consumption.
I was having massive problems with Standby Of Death but replacing the SIM card seems to have fixed that much to my surprise.
I have to say that I look enviously at iPhone users who press something on the screen and the response is practically instantaneous compared to the sluggish performance of WM6.5. The WP7 phones are supposed to perform well but I guess the generous minimum specs mandated by MS have a lot to do with that.
Ashley

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Android is very stable and is much more aesthetically pleasing in my opinion than WP7. The possibilities with android are so much more vast than WP7. The whole windows phone as a whole is slowly deteriorating and I feel sorry that you don't understand that. It still has hardly any apps compared to Android or even iPhone. You seem like you want a stock operating system though, so I guess if you really want to stay away from modding and customizing your phone, get that 'soon to be dead' WP7.
Modding (open source) = Android
Stock (closed source) = WP7
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I'm sure i made it clear that I prefer a WP7 phone over a WM6, not WP7 over android. I know how android works and that they are an open source, that is not new news. I'm just saying that the tp2 with wimo6 is a joke of a full time business phone. I'm not a full coding developer so I'm not interested in tricking the tp2 that it can perform something when it really can't - or it can't do whatever it's suppose to do well.
Open source is good, but sometimes it sucks that u can come across terrible, buggy apps. Sure they are free and can be fixed but that's where it fails for the consumer. These buggy apps could potentially destroy your phone. And this is the biggest flaw that winmo6 has to offer. it makes sense to just get rid of the whole entire os altogether; the most important fact of what a consumer needs in a phone is one that WORKS as a phone, NOT a developing tool.
I'm sure Microsoft understood this, which is why they are not open source. That's like if nintendo had anyone building their games without any consent from nintendo in doing so. We'd get a lot of crappy buggy games. Plus Microsoft isn't a small company. Having xbox integrated with wm7 plus buying out Skype and working together with nokia for some of their phones is a huge thing for
WP7 - so saying that they will die sometime soon is by far from happening.
Don't think that WP7 will die due to the lack of open source. The most that anyone needs on a phone is to make calls, txt/email msgs, make notes, watch movies, play music and or internet browsing - do we really need many developers to make something that's already integrated on the phone? Plus they have ms office - as a full business worker that's a big plus.

And we thought ICS under Touchwiz looked bad.... Check this out:

An early leak of HTC's Sense 3.5 running on (over) ICS....
http://goo.gl/JaIyb
(I had to watch quite a bit of this just to make sure it WAS Android 4 running on that phone.)
IMO, Samsung kinda gets a small pass because Touchwiz isn't THAT intrusive, andI just gotta ask...
What in the world is HTC thinking?
^That "interpretation" of ICS is going to sell about zero point zero phones for them in the future.
(and no, I don't even know what language this is in, and the shaky video seems to be just that-not Rom related... Apparently, this build was just released for the Sensation, and most everything works on it, or so I've read.
P.S. : Moderators:
I posted this here, because I know that most of us prolly have owned an HTC device in the past, and have our own opinions about Sense, and that some people might find it interesting.
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My balls just went up into my stomach.

These oems need to wake up.
There's absolutely no need to skin ics.
Ruins everything Google is trying to do

This looks awful!
Just for the record, the rom is in Finnish.

WTF?! Why would they do that. I haven't owned an Evo but it looks like Sense does now minus swiping apps to kill them. Maybe they are just sticking with the formula that has worked for them in the past. Is this real and not some port hackenstein build?
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Yeah, sense 1.0 was great during android 1.x-2.1, now its not needed and slows up development for stock and aftermarket. Google should put their foot down with 4.1 - no vendor skins. Let the hardware options speak for themselves. Acer/Dell/HP don't skin W7 when they deploy laptops and still are able to distinguish themselves. Plus with ICS apparently supporting more secure exchange environments, AOSP finally is an option for me.

Lol looks like sense on GB, touchwiz is much lighter and hopefully they go with a modded stock launcher instead of twlauncher 4.0. Anything beats Rosie either way
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These oems need to wake up.
There's absolutely no need to skin ics.
Ruins everything Google is trying to do
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I think it'll only take one time for it to be proven how it could work as a business model:
If HTC would say, release their next major device like this:
"The HTC Edge, featuring the world's first quad-core processor in a mobile phone, Google's newest version of Android 4.0, and HTC's very own Sense 4.errrrrrrrrrr."
"Scratch that.^"
"Featuring ONLY Google's newest version of Android 4.0, in the spotlight, for you to enjoy the fastest, smoothest, Android Experience possible. "
"Only from HTC."
(I'd go buy that **** in a heartbeat.)
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Wow, way to ruin a good thing. Much rather have TW than that. Why even skin a good thing anyway???WHY????

Imagine buying the newest HTC phone with ICS on it without knowing anything about what to expect with the newest version of Sense:
You leave Best Buy or wherever on launch day, after waiting in line all morning.... You get to your car, and you're kinda shaking with excitement as the phone boots up, you activate it, and you sign into your gmail....
You get the "Your google account is now linked to this device" message and you hit the home button to check things out....
Next, you:
...... (are confused...)
...... wut.
...... "Hold up, what is th... "
...... (flings homescreen, trying to find SOMETHING that resembles what you've seen on the Gnex...)
..... (re-checks Android version #, just to be sure.)
..... (looks around, just to make sure you aren't on "Punk'd")
..... (lastly, screams with rage and slams new phone onto concrete.)
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It's looked the same since FroYo. lol
Never liked Sense to be honest. TW atleast changes the status bar every version.

I use to like Sense for a while now i cant even think of owning an HTC phone with out rooting it and changing it. Touch Wiz was awful but using it on my ET4G i think i got use to it and now i really think it actually ok but nothing beats Android aosp.

I like whatever you're theming haha
Overstew said:
It's looked the same since FroYo. lol
Never liked Sense to be honest. TW atleast changes the status bar every version.
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xlGmanlx said:
I like whatever you're theming haha
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+ 1 Overstew has great taste and epic skills
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As stupid as it is until the day El Goog puts it's foot down on UI standardization this will continue to happen with Motoblur, Touchwiz and--the worst offender--Sense. I'm sure there are more I'm not aware of (LG I'm looking at you).
The manufacturer sees this as another way to brand their device, make it unique...stand out from the legions of other Android phones. HTC (and to a much tinier degree Samsung) is also trying to set up their own ecosystem on the side by providing services that either they get a cut of (whatever HTCs movie service is called, I forget) or they get ad revenue/monetizable user data. HTC obviously seems especially furiously jealous of Apple's vertical integration provided by not just building the phone (which HTC does), but also the whole of the operating system (which Sense is an attempt to do) and the app store/itunes (which their movie service--and I'm sure music and market etc are in the making)....and nearly everybody is in the user-data market.
Frankly, from a purely business point-of-view, you can't blame these companies for at least trying. I don't have to like it...and I don't. But the vast majority of people don't notice let alone care. I don't actually think the differentiation thing is working for them at all. There is not a single non-geek that I know that has purchased a device just because of the UI overlay or any of the integration they may provide.
I also have not known a single non-geek to ever get a different brand of phone and even so much as mention a difference between an OG Droid and an HTC anything....so, I'm not so sure that a> people would even miss it and more importantly b> that it is even working. But, given that they don't appear to be losing anything for trying they will likely not stop until Google says 'knock it off', but, I doubt they will...while it seems unlikely Google wouldn't want to scare a major OEM off of the platform. Sense on WinMo is nearly indistinguishable from Android to 99% of all people. The same would go for Touchwiz on Bada....WebOS is now open source too, I believe.

Did I watch the same video as everyone else? Because what I saw looked fine. Jaw-dropping? No. Hideous? Also, no. It's a decent, cohesive skin that keeps HTC's look while maintaining all the functionality. Looks fine. I prefer a cleaner look, but I wouldn't be pissed off by it.

daneurysm said:
As stupid as it is until the day El Goog puts it's foot down on UI standardization this will continue to happen with Motoblur, Touchwiz and--the worst offender--Sense. I'm sure there are more I'm not aware of (LG I'm looking at you).
The manufacturer sees this as another way to brand their device, make it unique...stand out from the legions of other Android phones. HTC (and to a much tinier degree Samsung) is also trying to set up their own ecosystem on the side by providing services that either they get a cut of (whatever HTCs movie service is called, I forget) or they get ad revenue/monetizable user data. HTC obviously seems especially furiously jealous of Apple's vertical integration provided by not just building the phone (which HTC does), but also the whole of the operating system (which Sense is an attempt to do) and the app store/itunes (which their movie service--and I'm sure music and market etc are in the making)....and nearly everybody is in the user-data market.
Frankly, from a purely business point-of-view, you can't blame these companies for at least trying. I don't have to like it...and I don't. But the vast majority of people don't notice let alone care. I don't actually think the differentiation thing is working for them at all. There is not a single non-geek that I know that has purchased a device just because of the UI overlay or any of the integration they may provide.
I also have not known a single non-geek to ever get a different brand of phone and even so much as mention a difference between an OG Droid and an HTC anything....so, I'm not so sure that a> people would even miss it and more importantly b> that it is even working. But, given that they don't appear to be losing anything for trying they will likely not stop until Google says 'knock it off', but, I doubt they will...while it seems unlikely Google wouldn't want to scare a major OEM off of the platform. Sense on WinMo is nearly indistinguishable from Android to 99% of all people. The same would go for Touchwiz on Bada....WebOS is now open source too, I believe.
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Taken in a different context, you could very well have just described the effectiveness (or lack there of) of advertising...lol
Honestly, i don't see why they don't just compete in the hardware market? I mean, in all honesty, that's what's driving the smartphone explosion, not manufacturer skins.
Manufacturer software, though, that's an entirely different story. Like Samsung adding all-share. But this is easily done (manufacturers adding these bits of functionality) without messing with the core system interface, and you'd end up in a better scenario: easier and faster software upgrades
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TurboFool said:
Did I watch the same video as everyone else? Because what I saw looked fine. Jaw-dropping? No. Hideous? Also, no. It's a decent, cohesive skin that keeps HTC's look while maintaining all the functionality. Looks fine. I prefer a cleaner look, but I wouldn't be pissed off by it.
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I agree. Honestly to me, with ICS all the vendor skins look more and more like a custom launcher and some widgets for added value. The settings and multitasking look very similar to ICS. I think the fact that we are seeing vendor builds on ICS so soon after launch is indicative of the similarity to the stock OS.
Really, we shouldn't be asking for Google to lock anything down user interface wise as that's just one step closer to apple. If Google locked out oems, they would have to stop users from using custom launchers as well. The only thing Google should mandate is that vendors release full source code (including proprietary drivers) for any android release. That would do a lot to clean up problems, if vendors knew their code was actually getting looked at by millions of eyes.
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I couldn't watch more than a minute of that video. I'm sooooo turned off by Sense after having been on the Evo 4G. I jumped on the AOSP train and never got off. I guess these phone companies feel the need to differentiate themselves from the pack. They do so by throwing their ugly UI on top of android OS.

squshy 7 said:
Taken in a different context, you could very well have just described the effectiveness (or lack there of) of advertising...lol
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Given that Google is at the epicenter of this peculiar universe that may well be the actual context. Always remember that Google is an advertising company, first and foremost. The, nearly 100% free, awesome technology is just a very fortunate side effect.
Honestly, i don't see why they don't just compete in the hardware market? I mean, in all honesty, that's what's driving the smartphone explosion, not manufacturer skins.
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If they did that they would have absolutely nothing differentiating the different phones besides price, for the most part...and that's a race to the bottom. Nobody wants that. It's like the difference between Apple's margins and everybody elses.
I'm not entirely convinced that we aren't already on a race to the bottom. Note my earlier comments on the lack of effectiveness of this type of branding to most people. (There are Sense fanboys, Touchwiz enthusiasts and even, shudder, Motoblur fans).
If they want to be Apple so bad why not go it alone and make your own damn OS and marketplace....oh yeah, that boat sailed 5 years ago. Apple won't license iOS. Android is king of the commodity currently. This is all they really can do.
Manufacturer software, though, that's an entirely different story. Like Samsung adding all-share. But this is easily done (manufacturers adding these bits of functionality) without messing with the core system interface, and you'd end up in a better scenario: easier and faster software upgrades
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100% Agreed. I think in a couple years when the dust settles we will probably see exactly that happen. Once Android stops getting "major updates" constantly. Once manufacturers stop pumping out a giant range of phones constantly and just make one really awesome flagship phone in 2 or 3 sizes and let the last model of really-awesome-phone be the second tier model instead of ****ting up the store fronts with a nonstop range of brand new crap. Once Apple has been squished back into their extremely profitable but small niche corner (just like with the Mac VS PC in the 80's). Once the 'next big thing' comes along that blows minds and changes and integrates society and technology just a little more.
Until then every Android handset maker is going to try to make a unique image and name for their small shop in the mall food-court that is the current Android landscape. lol
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What are some thing that will sell me on keeping my Nexus (Bell)

I am currently on my 14 day trial for my Galaxy Nexus from Bell (Canada). I did a lot of research before I bought the phone and these last few days I've been testing things and trying to find stuff to make me say "this is my phone". I've been an iPhone user for 2.5 years but my crappy old 3g couldn't handle things anymore. I needed a business phone for browsing , email, etc. I'm sure there'll be an iPhone 5 so I'm not sure if its worth getting into a contract extension on this phone.
Furthermore it seems like a lot of people keep saying gs2 > gn. I've noticed a few disappointing things (camera and speaker) on the gn so far but nothing that screams get the older phone. As of now though I also haven't found any "I need an android/nexus for this" reasons to keep this phone. Mostly I've been finding workarounds for stuff like text notifications. What are some real user things to make me love this phone (I already like it just not sure its worth the contract).
Tl;dr : what's some cool apps/things you can do with a Droid/nexus that makes you say "I need it".
Also side question: I currently have a seven dollar a month warranty for smashing it, can I root then unroot and still cash in on that warranty? Might not be easy if I destroy it lol.

Manually flash 4.0.4 and experience the power.
bow chicka wow wow.

^^^^^^ +1
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chrstphrbrnnn said:
I am currently on my 14 day trial for my Galaxy Nexus from Bell (Canada). I did a lot of research before I bought the phone and these last few days I've been testing things and trying to find stuff to make me say "this is my phone". I've been an iPhone user for 2.5 years but my crappy old 3g couldn't handle things anymore. I needed a business phone for browsing , email, etc. I'm sure there'll be an iPhone 5 so I'm not sure if its worth getting into a contract extension on this phone.
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Its all about your personal preference, really. If you don't like using the phone or you don't see yourself using it for 1, 2, 3 years... then don't get it. Obviously people here in the GNex forum will be biased towards telling you that the GNex is best and wouldn't dare recommend an iPhone or even another Android phone.
Also side question: I currently have a seven dollar a month warranty for smashing it, can I root then unroot and still cash in on that warranty? Might not be easy if I destroy it lol.
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Accidental damage warranties don't care if you've rooted. You're paying monthly and a deductible. Considering you just hit it with a hammer, they won't care if you rooted it.

@rbiter said:
Manually flash 4.0.4 and experience the power.
bow chicka wow wow.
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So this isn't like PSP modification where older is better haha? Still on 4.0.1 because I noticed people saying they reverted from 4.0.4. I should mention that a few of the cool features I was looking forward to (Google wallet and Google voice) aren't officially available in canada, which I'm sure you guys know. This spurred my deeper research because they were cool points for me.

chrstphrbrnnn said:
So this isn't like PSP modification where older is better haha? Still on 4.0.1 because I noticed people saying they reverted from 4.0.4. I should mention that a few of the cool features I was looking forward to (Google wallet and Google voice) aren't officially available in canada, which I'm sure you guys know. This spurred my deeper research because they were cool points for me.
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there are ways around it. just gotta search. but seriously, flash .4 before you make your decision. there is a radio issue on .4 but not everybody is affected and there are easy workarounds.

Hello there,
the best way to answer your own question " What are some thing that will sell me on keeping my Nexus (Bell) " is :
to write down a list of your daily tasks and why you will need this phone for.. and go from there > see how the Galaxy Nexus is handling your needs !
You may not even need to root or anything ...
Good Luck !

So if I flash it (is that rooms?) I can unflash it and take it back no problem with my trial period?
@martonikaj:
I read the link for your go prepaid thing in your sig. It has me intrigued. Do you know if that's possible in Canada? I know the compete rate is a lot lower in Canada than the US between different providers. If possible Id just pick up a nexus from somewhere and do the same stuff?
@wolf glance:
I'm not sure if you meant here lol but:
texting
Phone calls
Email
Gaming
Lots of browsing
Scheduling
Skype
Banking
YouTube/videos
Audio books
Largely I like a good portion of simplicity (why I liked iOS) though I enjoy customization. I am a computer science student so the prospects of modding and development are cool to me but I'm not too far into my program. After my last two PC's had hardware failures I bought a mac for reliability while I build a new one this summer so it feels weird to ditch the apple connectivity.

you flash roms and yes you can revert it back to stock if you wish.

I don't think we should have to sell the phone to you, if you're not impressed with it take it back. I'm happy to find and implement hacks and mods to tailor my phone to the way I want it, I must have ten unique kernel mods alone.
I've been flashing ROMs for years now, I don't know what I'd do if I ever got a phone out of the box that didn't need modding. The world would be a more boring place to me, that's for sure.

chrstphrbrnnn said:
So if I flash it (is that rooms?) I can unflash it and take it back no problem with my trial period?
@martonikaj:
I read the link for your go prepaid thing in your sig. It has me intrigued. Do you know if that's possible in Canada? I know the compete rate is a lot lower in Canada than the US between different providers. If possible Id just pick up a nexus from somewhere and do the same stuff?
@wolf glance:
I'm not sure if you meant here lol but:
texting
Phone calls
Email
Gaming
Lots of browsing
Scheduling
Skype
Banking
YouTube/videos
Audio books
Largely I like a good portion of simplicity (why I liked iOS) though I enjoy customization. I am a computer science student so the prospects of modding and development are cool to me but I'm not too far into my program. After my last two PC's had hardware failures I bought a mac for reliability while I build a new one this summer so it feels weird to ditch the apple connectivity.
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here you go ... have you tried all what you mentioned above ?
you can do all your list with the stock rom without any problem !!!
how do you like ICS and the Android so far ? lol
If you are ready and decide to keep the phone then and only then you can start searching and reading about how to update to 4.0.4 and how to flash roms, radio , etc...(but even with the stock rom and the 4.0.1 you're good to go)
You can start reading in this thread if you decided that you want to keep the phone ...have fun : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1391881
Also read the how to's in efrant's signature : http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=1566190