An early leak of HTC's Sense 3.5 running on (over) ICS....
http://goo.gl/JaIyb
(I had to watch quite a bit of this just to make sure it WAS Android 4 running on that phone.)
IMO, Samsung kinda gets a small pass because Touchwiz isn't THAT intrusive, andI just gotta ask...
What in the world is HTC thinking?
^That "interpretation" of ICS is going to sell about zero point zero phones for them in the future.
(and no, I don't even know what language this is in, and the shaky video seems to be just that-not Rom related... Apparently, this build was just released for the Sensation, and most everything works on it, or so I've read.
P.S. : Moderators:
I posted this here, because I know that most of us prolly have owned an HTC device in the past, and have our own opinions about Sense, and that some people might find it interesting.
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My balls just went up into my stomach.
These oems need to wake up.
There's absolutely no need to skin ics.
Ruins everything Google is trying to do
This looks awful!
Just for the record, the rom is in Finnish.
WTF?! Why would they do that. I haven't owned an Evo but it looks like Sense does now minus swiping apps to kill them. Maybe they are just sticking with the formula that has worked for them in the past. Is this real and not some port hackenstein build?
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Yeah, sense 1.0 was great during android 1.x-2.1, now its not needed and slows up development for stock and aftermarket. Google should put their foot down with 4.1 - no vendor skins. Let the hardware options speak for themselves. Acer/Dell/HP don't skin W7 when they deploy laptops and still are able to distinguish themselves. Plus with ICS apparently supporting more secure exchange environments, AOSP finally is an option for me.
Lol looks like sense on GB, touchwiz is much lighter and hopefully they go with a modded stock launcher instead of twlauncher 4.0. Anything beats Rosie either way
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These oems need to wake up.
There's absolutely no need to skin ics.
Ruins everything Google is trying to do
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I think it'll only take one time for it to be proven how it could work as a business model:
If HTC would say, release their next major device like this:
"The HTC Edge, featuring the world's first quad-core processor in a mobile phone, Google's newest version of Android 4.0, and HTC's very own Sense 4.errrrrrrrrrr."
"Scratch that.^"
"Featuring ONLY Google's newest version of Android 4.0, in the spotlight, for you to enjoy the fastest, smoothest, Android Experience possible. "
"Only from HTC."
(I'd go buy that **** in a heartbeat.)
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Wow, way to ruin a good thing. Much rather have TW than that. Why even skin a good thing anyway???WHY????
Imagine buying the newest HTC phone with ICS on it without knowing anything about what to expect with the newest version of Sense:
You leave Best Buy or wherever on launch day, after waiting in line all morning.... You get to your car, and you're kinda shaking with excitement as the phone boots up, you activate it, and you sign into your gmail....
You get the "Your google account is now linked to this device" message and you hit the home button to check things out....
Next, you:
...... (are confused...)
...... wut.
...... "Hold up, what is th... "
...... (flings homescreen, trying to find SOMETHING that resembles what you've seen on the Gnex...)
..... (re-checks Android version #, just to be sure.)
..... (looks around, just to make sure you aren't on "Punk'd")
..... (lastly, screams with rage and slams new phone onto concrete.)
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It's looked the same since FroYo. lol
Never liked Sense to be honest. TW atleast changes the status bar every version.
I use to like Sense for a while now i cant even think of owning an HTC phone with out rooting it and changing it. Touch Wiz was awful but using it on my ET4G i think i got use to it and now i really think it actually ok but nothing beats Android aosp.
I like whatever you're theming haha
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It's looked the same since FroYo. lol
Never liked Sense to be honest. TW atleast changes the status bar every version.
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I like whatever you're theming haha
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+ 1 Overstew has great taste and epic skills
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As stupid as it is until the day El Goog puts it's foot down on UI standardization this will continue to happen with Motoblur, Touchwiz and--the worst offender--Sense. I'm sure there are more I'm not aware of (LG I'm looking at you).
The manufacturer sees this as another way to brand their device, make it unique...stand out from the legions of other Android phones. HTC (and to a much tinier degree Samsung) is also trying to set up their own ecosystem on the side by providing services that either they get a cut of (whatever HTCs movie service is called, I forget) or they get ad revenue/monetizable user data. HTC obviously seems especially furiously jealous of Apple's vertical integration provided by not just building the phone (which HTC does), but also the whole of the operating system (which Sense is an attempt to do) and the app store/itunes (which their movie service--and I'm sure music and market etc are in the making)....and nearly everybody is in the user-data market.
Frankly, from a purely business point-of-view, you can't blame these companies for at least trying. I don't have to like it...and I don't. But the vast majority of people don't notice let alone care. I don't actually think the differentiation thing is working for them at all. There is not a single non-geek that I know that has purchased a device just because of the UI overlay or any of the integration they may provide.
I also have not known a single non-geek to ever get a different brand of phone and even so much as mention a difference between an OG Droid and an HTC anything....so, I'm not so sure that a> people would even miss it and more importantly b> that it is even working. But, given that they don't appear to be losing anything for trying they will likely not stop until Google says 'knock it off', but, I doubt they will...while it seems unlikely Google wouldn't want to scare a major OEM off of the platform. Sense on WinMo is nearly indistinguishable from Android to 99% of all people. The same would go for Touchwiz on Bada....WebOS is now open source too, I believe.
Did I watch the same video as everyone else? Because what I saw looked fine. Jaw-dropping? No. Hideous? Also, no. It's a decent, cohesive skin that keeps HTC's look while maintaining all the functionality. Looks fine. I prefer a cleaner look, but I wouldn't be pissed off by it.
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As stupid as it is until the day El Goog puts it's foot down on UI standardization this will continue to happen with Motoblur, Touchwiz and--the worst offender--Sense. I'm sure there are more I'm not aware of (LG I'm looking at you).
The manufacturer sees this as another way to brand their device, make it unique...stand out from the legions of other Android phones. HTC (and to a much tinier degree Samsung) is also trying to set up their own ecosystem on the side by providing services that either they get a cut of (whatever HTCs movie service is called, I forget) or they get ad revenue/monetizable user data. HTC obviously seems especially furiously jealous of Apple's vertical integration provided by not just building the phone (which HTC does), but also the whole of the operating system (which Sense is an attempt to do) and the app store/itunes (which their movie service--and I'm sure music and market etc are in the making)....and nearly everybody is in the user-data market.
Frankly, from a purely business point-of-view, you can't blame these companies for at least trying. I don't have to like it...and I don't. But the vast majority of people don't notice let alone care. I don't actually think the differentiation thing is working for them at all. There is not a single non-geek that I know that has purchased a device just because of the UI overlay or any of the integration they may provide.
I also have not known a single non-geek to ever get a different brand of phone and even so much as mention a difference between an OG Droid and an HTC anything....so, I'm not so sure that a> people would even miss it and more importantly b> that it is even working. But, given that they don't appear to be losing anything for trying they will likely not stop until Google says 'knock it off', but, I doubt they will...while it seems unlikely Google wouldn't want to scare a major OEM off of the platform. Sense on WinMo is nearly indistinguishable from Android to 99% of all people. The same would go for Touchwiz on Bada....WebOS is now open source too, I believe.
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Taken in a different context, you could very well have just described the effectiveness (or lack there of) of advertising...lol
Honestly, i don't see why they don't just compete in the hardware market? I mean, in all honesty, that's what's driving the smartphone explosion, not manufacturer skins.
Manufacturer software, though, that's an entirely different story. Like Samsung adding all-share. But this is easily done (manufacturers adding these bits of functionality) without messing with the core system interface, and you'd end up in a better scenario: easier and faster software upgrades
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Did I watch the same video as everyone else? Because what I saw looked fine. Jaw-dropping? No. Hideous? Also, no. It's a decent, cohesive skin that keeps HTC's look while maintaining all the functionality. Looks fine. I prefer a cleaner look, but I wouldn't be pissed off by it.
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I agree. Honestly to me, with ICS all the vendor skins look more and more like a custom launcher and some widgets for added value. The settings and multitasking look very similar to ICS. I think the fact that we are seeing vendor builds on ICS so soon after launch is indicative of the similarity to the stock OS.
Really, we shouldn't be asking for Google to lock anything down user interface wise as that's just one step closer to apple. If Google locked out oems, they would have to stop users from using custom launchers as well. The only thing Google should mandate is that vendors release full source code (including proprietary drivers) for any android release. That would do a lot to clean up problems, if vendors knew their code was actually getting looked at by millions of eyes.
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I couldn't watch more than a minute of that video. I'm sooooo turned off by Sense after having been on the Evo 4G. I jumped on the AOSP train and never got off. I guess these phone companies feel the need to differentiate themselves from the pack. They do so by throwing their ugly UI on top of android OS.
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Taken in a different context, you could very well have just described the effectiveness (or lack there of) of advertising...lol
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Given that Google is at the epicenter of this peculiar universe that may well be the actual context. Always remember that Google is an advertising company, first and foremost. The, nearly 100% free, awesome technology is just a very fortunate side effect.
Honestly, i don't see why they don't just compete in the hardware market? I mean, in all honesty, that's what's driving the smartphone explosion, not manufacturer skins.
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If they did that they would have absolutely nothing differentiating the different phones besides price, for the most part...and that's a race to the bottom. Nobody wants that. It's like the difference between Apple's margins and everybody elses.
I'm not entirely convinced that we aren't already on a race to the bottom. Note my earlier comments on the lack of effectiveness of this type of branding to most people. (There are Sense fanboys, Touchwiz enthusiasts and even, shudder, Motoblur fans).
If they want to be Apple so bad why not go it alone and make your own damn OS and marketplace....oh yeah, that boat sailed 5 years ago. Apple won't license iOS. Android is king of the commodity currently. This is all they really can do.
Manufacturer software, though, that's an entirely different story. Like Samsung adding all-share. But this is easily done (manufacturers adding these bits of functionality) without messing with the core system interface, and you'd end up in a better scenario: easier and faster software upgrades
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100% Agreed. I think in a couple years when the dust settles we will probably see exactly that happen. Once Android stops getting "major updates" constantly. Once manufacturers stop pumping out a giant range of phones constantly and just make one really awesome flagship phone in 2 or 3 sizes and let the last model of really-awesome-phone be the second tier model instead of ****ting up the store fronts with a nonstop range of brand new crap. Once Apple has been squished back into their extremely profitable but small niche corner (just like with the Mac VS PC in the 80's). Once the 'next big thing' comes along that blows minds and changes and integrates society and technology just a little more.
Until then every Android handset maker is going to try to make a unique image and name for their small shop in the mall food-court that is the current Android landscape. lol
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So... I really love Goog, and I DO like Android, but lately I've had this twitching to switch to a Pre Plus. There's things that I just like better about it.
Pros:
1) It's got a "prettier" UI
2) Multitasking ROCKS on the Pre.... (I feel it's better then Android)
3) Touchstone Charging ( DEF! Nice)
4) It seems a lot more polished in general
Cons:
1) Palm's current financial situation
2) Lack of Apps
What should I do? I know it's been asked before, but I read those threads and still undecided.
Help?
P.S. (I know I'm asking a Baltimore fan what he's favorite team is, but please try to keep fanboyism aside?)
Palm Pre and the WebOS are very pretty. But that's about it. It is now a severely outdated phone and even with Palm Pre Plus has bad hardware specs to current phones, especially the one in your hand (the Dinc). The Dinc and android are certainly customizable phones with an App Market that is growing at a substantial rate, it wouldn't make sense to switch to a phone that simply offers looks over usability. Since HP+Palm are in quite an odd position where they don't even release any new phones as of late, I just don't see the reasonsing to switch to a Palm Pre when you already have one of the best phones on the market right now.
Palm who?
I would wait to see what HP does with the company now that they own it.
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TheWhiteBandito said:
Palm Pre and the WebOS are very pretty. But that's about it. It is now a severely outdated phone and even with Palm Pre Plus has bad hardware specs to current phones, especially the one in your hand (the Dinc). The Dinc and android are certainly customizable phones with an App Market that is growing at a substantial rate, it wouldn't make sense to switch to a phone that simply offers looks over usability. Since HP+Palm are in quite an odd position where they don't even release any new phones as of late, I just don't see the reasonsing to switch to a Palm Pre when you already have one of the best phones on the market right now.
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The thing is, I already know all this (not offense to you at all) but the DINC does not have a cradle (I kid you not I have a LEGO cradle I made), so no easy charging, and the notifications in WebOS KILL androids which lets be honest are a very important part of a mobile system... I really wish multitasking was more intuitive, and finally, I hate having to use two different programs for email (corp and personal). These are really important things for me. If I could get all this in Android, it wouldn't be even a question, but I can't find apps or hacks to accomplish this. Been searching for a while now. I'm PRAYING that Gingerbread fixes all this
Well, ask yourself this.
Is going back to slower, older hardware and arguably lesser built phone worth it?
Can you honestly say that the Pre would make you that much more efficient, or with the CPU it has, get the job done any faster/easier?
Does it have the apps you would want, or are they available?
If HP pulls the plug, are you going to regret your decision?
Is there any app for Android that might make things easier for you to multitask?
TaskOS perhaps?
This is the stuff I would ponder before making the jump.
Mehhh, I'm not a fan of the palm devices at all. All they're doing is collecting dust at the Verizon store I work at.
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You are nuts. Android is so much better than palm. their are apps like quick desk and power control to help you get a better multitasking experience. You know android is moving up and palm is going down. by next year, android will dominate the smartphone industry and have twice as many apps. If you switch to Palm you will be sorry.
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(I feel it's better then Android)
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I'm thinking that questioning the ability of Android vs Palm is a symptom of an underlying problem...
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In a word, yes.
We agree: you're nuts.
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The thing is, I already know all this (not offense to you at all) but the DINC does not have a cradle (I kid you not I have a LEGO cradle I made), so no easy charging, and the notifications in WebOS KILL androids which lets be honest are a very important part of a mobile system... I really wish multitasking was more intuitive, and finally, I hate having to use two different programs for email (corp and personal). These are really important things for me. If I could get all this in Android, it wouldn't be even a question, but I can't find apps or hacks to accomplish this. Been searching for a while now. I'm PRAYING that Gingerbread fixes all this
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I'm pretty sure that I hated the notification system when I tried my friend's Pre. The notification system on Android is MUCH better in my opinion. Multitasking in Android also couldn't be easier...all you do is hold the home button and you see your running applications. Also, if you don't want to use two different programs for email, don't! Just turn off Gmail syncing and setup Gmail in HTC Mail, it works fine!
OP, I'm going to be in the minority here but as a former Palm Pre (Sprint) owner, I'll tell you what I liked and disliked most about it.
pro's
-beautiful display, the UI is stunning
-itunes sync (at the time it was the only non-apple device to offer this)
-webOS sync to computer was easy
cons
-got the "oreo" effect after using the phone for 2 weeks, hardware wasn't sturdy
-battery life was treacherous, extended batteries made the phone look like a mix between a penguin and a stone (a stoned penguin )
-while multitasking was efficient, it lacked the on board ram to really do alot at once. The Verizon version doubles the onboard ram and storage.
-the sprint version didn't offer an sd card slot, I'm not sure if the VZW does
I turned my pre in for a HTC Hero (a sprint eris basically) and enjoyed the Hero alot more. Then I dropped Sprint and got the Moto Droid, and now the Dinc.
For a polished product, android even 1.5, pwnd webOS. webOS offered a viable alternative to android, and at least it's not Microsoft.
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Multitasking in Android also couldn't be easier...all you do is hold the home button and you see your running applications.
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This could be better in Android if they let you scroll through more than just the last 8 programs (or whatever it is in 2.2 now). How hard could it be? You'd hit home, and swipe sideways to see more icons. At least they should give us the option of never having somethings show up in this quick launch menu. I hate holding down the home menu and seeing settings, testing, etc.
The Pre does a bit better job with card view, but overall the phone is pretty slow and the screen is too small for my taste.
It is really sad that you couldn't make this decision on your own. I bet your significant other dreads trying to find a restaurant when you go out. It's really a very easy decision, unless you have like a gadget hoarding problem or something. I'd go back to my eris before I'd get a palm device.
Maybe its just me... but I'm becoming quite bored with my Evo. It doesn't matter what ROM I'm using, I am just getting over Android. Sure it boots fast... but my battery won't last even a full day with heavy usage and its tedious changing them all the time, the touchscreen is way too sensitive at times, and since FroYo, I've had way too many freezes and reboots to count.
I'm honestly ready to jump on the Torch or just go back to using my Bold 2... I could pound the hell out of my Bold 2 and it would still last a day and a half minimum, I rarely, if ever, had it freeze, and it did most things I needed it to.
Am I missing something here? Because Android is turning out to be pretty boring. I hate the fact that I can't have a full desktop replacement like I could on Windows Mobile, I rather dislike having to select one e-mail at a time to delete it, and the customization is just not there...
you had me until you said you'd go back to blackberry.
Boring? Bb may be the most boring thing ever
But yeah maybe android isn't for you if you think you can do most things on your bb.
I like mine still and gingerbread will make it more interesting.
That said it gets stale at times but so did iphone os and web os
All things do. Bb got stale 5 years ago
I said I'd go back to Blackberry for stability purposes... not because its not boring. Plus I wouldn't have to buy another phone... I already own a Curve 8330 I can use on Sprint and my 9700 is on ATT.
Its either that or back to the Mogul or Touch Pro 2... I'd rather shoot myself.
I guess for me it would be more useful if I had a hardware keyboard...
EDIT: I guess I was expecting more... You know full flash is great and all... but without proper 3D acceleration it runs like ****. Same goes for the games on the Evo. 43FPS on Antigen? Are you kidding me? The Evo should absolutely SPANK that game...
Dude, if you like stability, unroot your phone and use stock 2.2. Stock = Stability. Period. Also, how does one get "bored" with a phone? As far as I'm concerned it's a tool you use to make calls, browse web, send texts, etc. Do you ever get "bored" with your laptop or your tv because it does what it's supposed to do? Please.
I hear you and don't totally disagree
Android platform is still young
Maybe windows phone 7 can bring something new along but I doubt our as they are blatantly copying iphone os 3
Its tough to keep pace nowadays with users demands for new stuff. I include myself as one of those users
As far as bb I was questioning why you'd buy the torch but if you are saying just a phone you already have that's a different story
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Dude, if you like stability, unroot your phone and use stock 2.2. Stock = Stability. Period. Also, how does one get "bored" with a phone? As far as I'm concerned it's a tool you use to make calls, browse web, send texts, etc. Do you ever get "bored" with your laptop or your tv because it does what it's supposed to do? Please.
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I do get bored with my TV thanks and my laptop and my desktop can both be upgraded to extend its capabilities. I run multiple operating systems on both machines.
And stock isn't stable. I've seen people ***** about stock just as much, if not more, than rooted. FroYo is just trash.
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I hear you and don't totally disagree
Android platform is still young
Maybe windows phone 7 can bring something new along but I doubt our as they are blatantly copying iphone os 3
Its tough to keep pace nowadays with users demands for new stuff. I include myself as one of those users
As far as bb I was questioning why you'd buy the torch but if you are saying just a phone you already have that's a different story
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I don't have high expectations for WP7. I would love to be proven wrong but I don't even enjoy that particular interface on my Zune...
The Torch is something new and it fixes the main *****es that I had about BlackBerry - boot times and the web browser. Plus ATT offered it to me for 214 even though I only became a customer in January.
On the same token though I think its absolutely appalling that RIM is using the same 624MHz processor that my Bold 2 has and the Bold before it did as well so that would definitely factor into my decision to most likely not purchase the device.
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I do get bored with my TV thanks and my laptop and my desktop can both be upgraded to extend its capabilities. I run multiple operating systems on both machines.
And stock isn't stable. I've seen people ***** about stock just as much, if not more, than rooted. FroYo is just trash.
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Lol I do get ya man I also get bored with my gadgets
Just a nature of the beast
I tried iphone 4 and was bored after a week
Android is new completely to me so I'm still having fun with roms and kernels, oh my
But I'm sure I'll get bored at some point I just hope gingerbread is out by then
I've not had stability issues though barring some mistakes I made as I learned how to properly flash roms
If I can hold on til Gingerbread (provided the Evo has the horsepower to run it considering it has no dedicated graphics processor and Gingerbread recommends it) I might be fine... I guess one of the biggest annoyances for me is the difficulty in finding apps. The Market is a huge mess. On my berry, I search appworld for a term and it searches the description as well plus gives me options to organize by price, popularity, reviews, etc... Unless I am blind, there is no way I can do this with the Market...
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EtherealRemnant said:
If I can hold on til Gingerbread (provided the Evo has the horsepower to run it considering it has no dedicated graphics processor and Gingerbread recommends it) I might be fine... I guess one of the biggest annoyances for me is the difficulty in finding apps. The Market is a huge mess. On my berry, I search appworld for a term and it searches the description as well plus gives me options to organize by price, popularity, reviews, etc... Unless I am blind, there is no way I can do this with the Market...
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The market definitely sucks
Have you tried app brain
It haas helped me find cool apps more than the market
App Brain?
No I haven't ever even heard of it.
I'm waiting for some real games to come to android too but I'm not that in need since I have my ipad for gaming not to mention my itouch
I do want facebook connected scrabble for android though and bejeweled blitz also with fb connect would alleviate these horrible games I see for android
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If I can hold on til Gingerbread (provided the Evo has the horsepower to run it considering it has no dedicated graphics processor and Gingerbread recommends it) I might be fine... I guess one of the biggest annoyances for me is the difficulty in finding apps. The Market is a huge mess. On my berry, I search appworld for a term and it searches the description as well plus gives me options to organize by price, popularity, reviews, etc... Unless I am blind, there is no way I can do this with the Market...
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The Evo does have a dedicated graphics processor. In fact, the adreno GPU is quite capable for a mobile device. Games just need to be re-written to support it (Nova is an example of this, it used to run like crap, now runs beautifully). Sure it's not as powerful as the SGX series, but it's certainly not that underpowered.
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App Brain?
No I haven't ever even heard of it.
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Find it in market and download it
Its an alternative app store same apps but more easier ways to find them
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Find it in market and download it
Its an alternative app store same apps but more easier ways to find them
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Thank you! THIS is what I was looking for! It uploaded my list of installed apps and recommended new apps to me based on that. FANTASTIC!
I wish they had rep here because I would totally give you rep for that!
EtherealRemnant said:
Thank you! THIS is what I was looking for! It uploaded my list of installed apps and recommended new apps to me based on that. FANTASTIC!
I wish they had rep here because I would totally give you rep for that!
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Your welcome and I'm glad to pass on the recommends I myself received when I first got my evo
Its not a flawless app but it beats the heck out of the stock market app
And yeah thee sync feature is sweet
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Your welcome and I'm glad to pass on the recommends I myself received when I first got my evo
Its not a flawless app but it beats the heck out of the stock market app
And yeah thee sync feature is sweet
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I just installed like 20 apps I didn't even know existed - like StumbleUpon, for example, which is apparently a brand new app (less than 50 downloads)
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I just installed like 20 apps I didn't even know existed - like StumbleUpon, for example, which is apparently a brand new app (less than 50 downloads)
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Hope this improves your android experience
The community around thee android platform had really impressed me
Especially on this board!
I honestly don't see how you could possibly get bored... You have roms and kernels to last you days of flashing...
Like gambling? You can play Live Poker.
Like racing? You can play Asphalt
Like reading quotes, books and newspapers? theres an app for that.
Like porn? well who doesn't? There is even an app for that.
Craving some super mario or final fantasy? You have emulators.
Like listening to music? You have pandora and a bunch of other radios...
WTF MORE COULD YOU POSSIBLY WANT? Some people are just never satisfied.
like honestly...I just don't get it. If your having trouble finding a stable Rom try evios latest and use one of kings kernel. Im easily getting 15 hours on a single charge with moderate-heavy usage.
P.S the latest app thats been keeping me busy is Akinator. That sht is crazy!!! the first time I used it I literally dropped my phone.
I just noticed the Galaxy Nexus' General forum is labeled as 1337.
As in forumdisplay.php?f=1337
It's fate. I'm pumped. You're pumped. We're all pumped for Ice Cream.
But that's not my point...
I don't know about the majority of you guys, but I'm coming from a long period of mobile confusion. As you can see in my signature here, I started smartphones with the iPhone 2G and stuck to it out of a bit of "distortion field" or "fanboyism" for quite some time.
This past couple of years though, either the field has weakened, or I've built up a tolerance for it. I switched from iOS to Android and back again over and over in an attempt to ground myself somewhere, but in the end I always found myself back to old reliable, iOS.
The reason it was old reliable for me was the WYSIWYG-ness of it. Not much fluff; The "it just works" crap in action. I'd use Android and just fall in love with it all over again, but before I knew it I was frustrated with Force Closings and skins like Sense and MotoBlur. It would drive me away as quickly as it drew me in. Change is change.
Now though, we have a beautiful light at the end of a very obnoxious tunnel for me. I'm absolutely thrilled, but... as they say on the Jersey Shore... lesbihonest.
I feel like I'll go back to iOS. Not at least for a year or so, and not out of Android being sub-par! Don't get me wrong. I just think of it this way. If you invest in both ecosystems the way I have, you can jump back and forth very easily.
The way the iPhones work has seemingly been set in stone: One generational upgrade every 2 years with a minor speed-bump in between.
Android also has a clear manner of evolution: All participating manufacturers put out a new device every time the technology takes a step. It's like a never-ending series of -like speed-bumps when compared to iPhone, except we get the benefit of different and ever-evolving chasis.
If we look at Nexus devices only, which I feel are made to lead the charge and tell the other manufacturers, "Here, this is your new bar. Meet it!" then I like to think of Nexus devices as such. They're the bar that gets set every once in a while to keep everyone on track and keep everyone innovating.
One could conclude, given the way of things, that if you are like me and go through phases of needing stability and stability, no muss or fuss and phases of needing to tinker and customize, great fun mussing and fussing; I think this is perfect.
Apple releases their numerical release, new generation phone and it's the next big thing. Then it gets long in the tooth and they release a speedbump. Not good enough for bleeding edge though, so what's the hotness on Android. And so on.
Anyone think this might be their way of dealing with but-I-need-new-hotness syndrome?
LOL
Galaxy Nexus is the 1337
lol be leet and get a galaxy nexus
The iPhone has seen success from day one and has continued success through all of it's phone and OS updates. It's been chugging along since 2007, like you said, with regular hardware and software update intervals. The style of the phone and the OS are more or less the same since day one. 3.5 inch screen, round home button with a square icon, silver edges, buttons, speakers and plugs in the same place. The OS is a app tray with the OSx style dock.
New features are added and the user interface is streamlined. People know what to expect, and this is what keeps most of them coming back. They don't have to learn something new every year.
Android started on the opposite end of the spectrum. While the Android OS is relatively uniform, hardware and custom overlays/roms have created a hodgepodge of a product that has always been behind iOS in terms of usability and uniformity and always behind in terms of hardware and apps.
But there are a couple things that people tend to overlook when they compare the two OS. One is that iOS had a good headstart on Android. The first Android device was released over a year after the iPhone, and while the HTC Dream sold semi-well at the start, Android lagged far behind iOS, and even Windows Mobile. Despite a rocky start, Android converged with iOS and Blackberry sometime at the end of 2010. During 2011, we've seen soaring growth, to where there's something like 500k+ 'activations' daily. The news reports are saying that Google is getting ready to announce 1 million daily in the next few months.
In November, Android is going to hit an apex, a point where it really begins to shine. And where I believe it will begin to outpace iOS at an alarming rate. We'll see a few things happen next month that will change Androids standing, at least in my mind, in the smartphone world.
1. Android will finally catch up to the iPhone hardware.
The iPhone has always been a step ahead, which is something that I don't understand. An example: iPhone 4 was released in June of 2010 with a 'Retina' display. 326 ppi. Android still has never had a phone over 220 or so ppi. The Galaxy S2 was really the first phone to outpace the iPhone 4, a year and a half later, and it still doesn't have a high ppi/resolution screen. The screen is a full inch larger, which is very nice, but Apple still holds the title as the highest clarity screen. And the A4 processor has given most of the Android phones a run for their money. Again, the Galaxy S2 easily outpaced it with the dual-core cpu, but a month later, the iPhone 4S was released with the A5 with the killer PowerVR SGX543MP2 GPU. It pretty much smokes the Galaxy S2 in terms of video processing power.
Next month will be the first time Android has a screen that compares, surpasses even, the iPhone. Galaxy Nexus will have the same ppi as the iPhone, and it will be a full inch larger. The SuperAmoled also smashes the iPhone contrast by a factor of over 100 to 1 (100,000:1 vs 800:1). The RAZR will be quick to follow with the same 720p display. We all are a little disappointed that the Galaxy Nexus will still lag behind the iPhone 4S in terms of GPU, but the PowerVR SGX540 is nothing to scoff at, especially at the 300mhz clock speed.
The point is: Android will dominate the the hardware side of things from here on out. I don't see Apple changing their form factor by much. They may increase screen size to around 4", but Android will retain the largest screen. And Apple has nowhere to go in terms of ppi/resolution. They've already claimed to have hit the limits of the human eye. And they'll need to play cath-up in terms of contrast. The iPhone 5 and it's quad core A5 may take the title CPU for a few months next summer, but Android will quickly regain the lead. The quad core Tergra 'Kal El' will be out relatively soon, and we'll always see Android phones with CPU/GPU from the different companies, which gives it a good advantage.
2. Android 4.0 is huge.
Last tuesday, I was talking to my friend (an Apple enthusiast) about Ice Cream Sandwich. I knew about the new App switcher, and as a prior WebOS owner, it's something that I've really, really missed in Android, and iOS. I didn't count on it having the 'flick-to-close' app and notification features, though. I didn't really expect to see much change at all to the rest of the OS. As it turns out, I was very wrong. I'm waaaaay more excited for Android 4.0 now after watching the live stream on Wednesday. Google really exceeded my expectations.
Adapt, Adopt and Improve. Google has been doing this from the start, and they've done it in 4.0 in a huge way. They've listened to what people say about their product and have really done something about it. Ease of use is not something that Android has been known for, but they specifically addressed that in their presentation. This stigma is something that will be difficult to change for Android, but they have taken a huge step in the right direction. People will notice and will appreciate these changes. Segmentation has always been a big problem as well, but it looks like Google is taking efforts to quell that problem as well. I hope they can, but it really depends on the network providers. And it won't effect me, because I'll root and update to the latest build anyway.
On the other spectrum, iOS has kept steady. It's been user friendly, it's been stable, and it's been the same. iPhone owners enjoy and expect it. But it's starting to become a problem. Example: it took 2 years for Apple to adapt the notifications tray. Example 2: without rooting your phone, you are locked into using the default keypad (and a lot of other default options) that is just terrible, compared to some of the text prediction keypads out there. This isn't a big problem for people that jailbreak, but there are millions of iPhone users out there that don't want to 'void their warranty'. I don't want to dog on iOS too much, as I'm pretty biased against it, but iOS 6 is going to need some pretty big improvements to match Ice Cream Sandwich. iOS isn't the tog dog anymore. The playing field has been leveled. This is a good thing because I still feel that the mobile OS platform has a lot of growing to do, especially when it comes to the tablet form factor. Desktop OS's have really been stagnant for a while now, and it's really refreshing to see the mobile OS's advance so rapidly.
Anyway, this is getting a bit long, so I should wrap it up.
Android is growing in a major way. If you look at graphs of current mobile data usage, you'll see that Android is sky rocketing there, just like their market share. iOS is starting to loose it's advantage there as well. The Android App pool is swelling up just a fast. We'll see Android pass Apple up in every category in 2012, or at least match it. The only title Apple will hang onto is the iPad and the tablet market, but there is a lot of room in that market and it's growing rapidly. So are Android tablets.
I'll probably get an iPhone 5, and I don't doubt that it will be a great phone, but I've got at least 6 months to get to enjoy my Ice Cream Sandwich The Android experience maybe a little different for me than most, because I plan on staying on top of the latest hardware and software, trading up when a good replacement comes along, but I think that others will find ICS just as pleasing, even if they stick to the same phone for a year or so.
^^^ Really well said.
I agree about the strides Google is making to change the minds of Android users who have been burned by odd experiences in the past. They definitely are making a great effort with ICS.
In the end, as I said, I think there may be others like us who have fallen into this pattern now. We stay on top of what's great and know how to live within either ecosystem. We prefer one or the other, but have the need for greatness and will go after it every 6 months.
What a wild web we weave.
The Galaxy Nexus is cool
I don't have anything to say except that this is a great thread, and it's so refreshing to read something that isn't full of fanboy rantings.
Open the box of your new iPhone 4S, turn it on and you have a great looking & working mobile OS.
Open the box of your new Android phone, turn it on, learn how to Root & flash, select a powerful, battery saving KERNEL, select a great, customized ROM, select a beautiful THEME, flash them all and you have an AMAZING looking & working mobile OS.
Yes, no-one will lie to you, there is more effort needed for Android; but for that little amount of effort, the results are astounding.
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Wrong.
I got my Nexus S, turned it on, and use it without rooting nor ROM changing.
It works perfect till now.
What you have described is "option" ... Something that does not exist on iOS.
Thats different
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Open the box of your new iPhone 4S, turn it on and you have a great looking & working mobile OS.
Open the box of your new Android phone, turn it on, learn how to Root & flash, select a powerful, battery saving KERNEL, select a great, customized ROM, select a beautiful THEME, flash them all and you have an AMAZING looking & working mobile OS.
Yes, no-one will lie to you, there is more effort needed for Android; but for that little amount of effort, the results are astounding.
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Me too with stock android on the Nexus S.
I unlocked the bootloader. Didn't even bother to root it.
Stock is already good enough for me.
kanariya said:
Me too with stock android on the Nexus S.
I unlocked the bootloader. Didn't even bother to root it.
Stock is already good enough for me.
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Lmao. As a nexus device, unlocking the bootloader is kinda like set it and forget it. One and done. Fastboot oem unlock say whaaa?
I voided my warranty and your mum.
It must be a sign...
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I voided my warranty and your mum.
Thoughtful thread.
I started my smartphone journey with winmo back in the 5.0 days, talk about customizing to make it work. Random app stores everywhere. Just about the only thing that was great from stock was the T-9 dialer. It was so easy and quick. Stupid stylus always getting lost. Steve had that right.
Next for me was a 3g iPhone. Unboxed and, to coin a phrase "it just worked ". But that was it. An app tray. After being used to unlocking the phone and seeing the weather, texts, events, everything, just at a glance, it was a huge adjustment. And a shock. No t9 dialer? No copy paste? I used it for about 3 months, then finally got frustrated with typing something, receiving a call, and all I had done was completely gone. I just about threw the phone away.
Switched back to winmo, then apple released a fix for the copy paste, and lost data. Switched back.
Still being mostly unhappy with the user experience, my friends talked me into the n1. Didn't take long for me to fall into a state of realization that this was the perfect mix of the frustration of winmo configuration
And the blandness of apple. And all without root!
So yeah, I've been running around with a n1 for damn near 2 years, unrooted, and. Damn proud of it.
Both ios and Android have their place, but I think Android is more appealing, and so do about 50% plus of smartphone users.
Enjoy your experience, whichever it is, but don't expect me to change my mind any time soon, I won't expect you to change yours
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Open the box of your new iPhone 4S, turn it on and you have a great looking & working mobile OS.
Open the box of your new Android phone, turn it on, learn how to Root & flash, select a powerful, battery saving KERNEL, select a great, customized ROM, select a beautiful THEME, flash them all and you have an AMAZING looking & working mobile OS.
Yes, no-one will lie to you, there is more effort needed for Android; but for that little amount of effort, the results are astounding.
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This is, I think, the best part about owning and using an Android powered device. It's exciting, you learn, you become a part of a community and you seek out those people when you mess up (which everyone inevitably does). I can almost guarantee that my Nexus S is different than yours in some way, shape or form. That's whats great about Android, I make the phone conform to me, not the other way around.
Having said that, I get the mass appeal of iOS and I feel with the overhaul of notifications it is finally to a position that I am able to adopt. Additionally, I think iPhones are the best feeling devices (hardware wise) and I was ready to vote with my wallet had the iPhone 5 been announced with what I feel are must have specs (NFC, 4G, legitimate screen size, etc).
Nexus Prime (way better sounding than Galaxy Nexus) will do for now until I get a look at the iPhone 5 and iOS 6 next year
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Hahahaha
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Pardon me, kind sir. I searched through the thread titles... guess I neglected to look through every single post.
Have a nice day
Anyone realize that the Galaxy Nexus General forum is #1337?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1337
Youre at least the 3rd person to make a thread about that. And thats not 1337. Try again.
I voided my warranty and your nexus.
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thats not 1337. Try again.
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Say what? What is it then?
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-news/popular-game-developer-halts-work-on-android/7117
A lot of Android hate and doom and gloom in this one. A couple days old, but didn't see it on here and I had fun reading through some of the deluded iPhone customers and Android naysayers hate.
In some respect the article has a point. The variety of Android phones/internal hardware can and does cause issues at times. Look at a few apps at times and you will see them being updated at times per device cause of an issue. But that's the cost of being a dev as well.
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In some respect the article has a point. The variety of Android phones/internal hardware can and does cause issues at times. Look at a few apps at times and you will see them being updated at times per device cause of an issue. But that's the cost of being a dev as well.
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Oh, I know, and I really hope that ICS becoming the standard and helps alleviate some of the issues. I bought Zombieville USA and Battleheart and am slightly angered that these two games will not be getting any more support.
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Oh, I know, and I really hope that ICS becoming the standard and helps alleviate some of the issues. I bought Zombieville USA and Battleheart and am slightly angered that these two games will not be getting any more support.
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ICS is not going to change it. Just as any other major Android build has not changed it either. Not every phone is going to get an upgrade to ICS just like not every phone got an upgrade to GB/Froyo and so on. Low end phones that can't handle ICS will be stuck on the version they are on till that person gets a new phone. this is why people do talk about fragmentation of the android platform and honestly in some respects they are right. Microsoft and Apple do not really have this issue (but MS also does not have as many different variation of phones that Android does and Apple only has 1 phone regardless of hardware that does not really change all that much)
Hopefully everyone follows htc's footsteps and only make a few models per year and focus on quality not quantity.
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Google needs to put a clamp down and only give the market (err....the playstore) to devices that are unskinned. It isn't the hardware or apps wouldn't exist for windows, it is the excessive theming.
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Hopefully everyone follows htc's footsteps and only make a few models per year and focus on quality not quantity.
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HTC themselves pretty much broke that part however. The One line of phones is going to have a few "variations" EU/US and so on where hardware (not talking about radios for cell providers) is different. The One line of phones that was announced at MWC with quad core and so on will only have duel core when they hit the US again fragmenting the ecosystem and having more phones to deal with.
I honestly think there has been widespread experimentation on the part of manufacturers. In the beginning, android had more limitations, obviously, and I think the evolution of the OS has moved faster than the hardware makers.
I read that Motorola is going to limit their yearly offering as well.
I just upgraded from the transform. It was the red headed step child that required rebooting several times a day.
I truly believe that it was only meant to be a second tier option next to the original epic.
I hope there is a little more thought about how many different phone flavors are produced and how it makes android look compared to apple.
The smartphone market is not one size fits all. Apple would like that to be the case, but it's just not. My wife hates the size of the screen on my E4GT, and loves the keyboard on her Evo Shift. I'm the exact opposite. It's nice to have options.
This is the equivalent of a Windows developer whining that their software doesn't run on EVERY SINGLE PC running Windows. Oh, and with Apple pushing out new phones/software updates that DO leave features out for those on older hardware (Siri & iphone 4??) fragmantation will also be an issue. They now have 3 ipads and however many iphone versions to deal with.
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The smartphone market is not one size fits all. Apple would like that to be the case, but it's just not. My wife hates the size of the screen on my E4GT, and loves the keyboard on her Evo Shift. I'm the exact opposite. It's nice to have options.
This is the equivalent of a Windows developer whining that their software doesn't run on EVERY SINGLE PC running Windows. Oh, and with Apple pushing out new phones/software updates that DO leave features out for those on older hardware (Siri & iphone 4??) fragmantation will also be an issue. They now have 3 ipads and however many iphone versions to deal with.
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Actually anything from the iPad2 will work just fine on the iPad3. The only difference would be is if the dev "chooses" to update the graphics for the new screen size. outside of that it does not matter.
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Actually anything from the iPad2 will work just fine on the iPad3. The only difference would be is if the dev "chooses" to update the graphics for the new screen size. outside of that it does not matter.
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That is true at this point but soon there will be apps that only run on the "New" Ipad and will not work on 1 and 2. IOS is fragmenting as well. The difference is Isheeple don't whine about it they slavishly run out and upgrade.
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That is true at this point but soon there will be apps that only run on the "New" Ipad and will not work on 1 and 2. IOS is fragmenting as well. The difference is Isheeple don't whine about it they slavishly run out and upgrade.
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Actually I don't see that as becoming an issue. The reason I don't is cause Most devs can do exactly what can already be done with Android as well. Offer a HD pack that changes graphics only and will work on the higher res screen while keeping the app itself standard.
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The smartphone market is not one size fits all. Apple would like that to be the case, but it's just not. My wife hates the size of the screen on my E4GT, and loves the keyboard on her Evo Shift. I'm the exact opposite. It's nice to have options.
This is the equivalent of a Windows developer whining that their software doesn't run on EVERY SINGLE PC running Windows. Oh, and with Apple pushing out new phones/software updates that DO leave features out for those on older hardware (Siri & iphone 4??) fragmantation will also be an issue. They now have 3 ipads and however many iphone versions to deal with.
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It isn't hardware that complicates things for developers, it is software. Trust me, I went to school for this stuff. With Android, a developer may call an API only to find out after release that it isn't there because HTC decided to replace it with their own similar but completely different version of it for no apparent reason. This isn't the case with windows, IOS, etc.
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In some respect the article has a point. The variety of Android phones/internal hardware can and does cause issues at times. Look at a few apps at times and you will see them being updated at times per device cause of an issue. But that's the cost of being a dev as well.
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As an app dev I can tell you that game development is no problem with all the built in libraries available on multiple devices. Apps don't have device-specific bugs often if at all (usually user error)
ICS changed all that since native GL libraries were added and he acceleration, etc. Whole bunch of changes.
Anyway, people don't realize that these apps net thousands and thousands of dollars+++++ more . If they had so many issues that it took away from their profits they were doing something wrong
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As an app dev I can tell you that game development is no problem with all the built in libraries available on multiple devices. Apps don't have device-specific bugs often if at all (usually user error)
ICS changed all that since native GL libraries were added and he acceleration, etc. Whole bunch of changes.
Anyway, people don't realize that these apps net thousands and thousands of dollars+++++ more . If they had so many issues that it took away from their profits they were doing something wrong
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Game development is a unique situation because they don't have to utilize as many api's the way other types of apps do. They don't have to manage syncing, talking to other apps, notifications, bluetooth, download management, etc. And you only make that type of money if you have a hit. Most apps don't even show in the market unless you specifically search for it.
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Google needs to put a clamp down and only give the market (err....the playstore) to devices that are unskinned. It isn't the hardware or apps wouldn't exist for windows, it is the excessive theming.
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Or allow the regular AOSP launcher to be 'switched on' on demand without rooting the device so the user is not tied to manufacturer mandated launchers like TW or Sense
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Or allow the regular AOSP launcher to be 'switched on' on demand without rooting the device so the user is not tied to manufacturer mandated launchers like TW or Sense
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You can do that in TouchWiz roms. It's called Sprint ID and it does infact change the launcher to the stock ICS one in seconds.
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Or allow the regular AOSP launcher to be 'switched on' on demand without rooting the device so the user is not tied to manufacturer mandated launchers like TW or Sense
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You do not understand what an API is.
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Game development is a unique situation because they don't have to utilize as many api's the way other types of apps do. They don't have to manage syncing, talking to other apps, notifications, bluetooth, download management, etc. And you only make that type of money if you have a hit. Most apps don't even show in the market unless you specifically search for it.
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The app in question has lots and lots of downloads I'm sure.
The issue with games is they mostly use their own game engine APIs since native stuff doesn't get so complex.
They usually do this so they're cross platform to prevent extra work ( something like adobe flex ). Although some don't do this and end up hacking up a solution that barely works like the developer in Op
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I'm sure Rovio would disagree.
Source: http://m.intomobile.com/2012/06/18/samsungs-new-ceo-talks-develping-its-own-mobile-software/
Samsung developing its own Sortware and leaving Android success behind? Although I doubt it and this article is probably about TW refresh but the idea of Samsung software will personally keep me away. To me Samsung is a sexy hardware but it's own implementation of TW etc drives me nuts. Say Samsung does abandon Android, I personally will say Goodbye, how about you? Imagine sexy software but no Android... Will you stick with Samsung?
Samsung must be mistaken to have me follow their TW or anything even better.
They've tried this multiple times most recently with Bada...for Samsung Android is just a way to gain money while behind scenes they create a better one or thats what they think
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From what I read about the interview the high end phones will still be android and they were improving on tw read the engadget article about this and then click the source
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I agree, Samsung makes one sexy piece of hardware. However, I too will part ways if they decide to leave Android for their own OS.
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w.e I'm not a fan boy of a manufacturer. I'll just jump to HTC or moto or lg
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w.e I'm not a fan boy of a manufacturer. I'll just jump to HTC or moto or lg
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All except moto...I don't find their phones attractive
A lot of manufacturers seem to have "Apple Envy". They see what Apple did with the iPhone and think they can re-produce it. It takes someone really good at stealing stuff and reselling it as your own to be Apple. I don't think many other companies could do it.
Or, you could go the Microsoft route and just license the hell out of everything.
Samsung is a beast.....everything in my house is Samsung ... If they wanna leave Android and do their own thing...I say go for it, they been setting back watching how Android been doin things and taking things over..now its time for Samsung to bring out the guns and strike...They have been planning this for a while...it was just a matter of time
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Samsung is a beast.....everything in my house is Samsung ... If they wanna leave Android and do their own thing...I say go for it, they been setting back watching how Android been doin things and taking things over..now its time for Samsung to bring out the guns and strike...They have been planning this for a while...it was just a matter of time
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My personal experience with Samsung = LoS, ICS almost 1 year later and still no go. TW, well I'm sure someone loves it, just not me.
Say Samsung does go off route, I think Sharp will come out striking lol. And the app market, lets start the count from 1+ lol
Samsung without Android... Hell NO!
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My personal experience with Samsung = LoS, ICS almost 1 year later and still no go. TW, well I'm sure someone loves it, just not me.
Say Samsung does go off route, I think Sharp will come out striking lol. And the app market, lets start the count from 1+ lol
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I'm not a fan of TW either but its easy to get rid of...some UI out that isn't that easy and will still run in the background if you like it or not.....Samsung pushes the button of technology.....smart TV (hello Samsung), blue led fridge, the do everything washer/dryer....lol...I know the need to work on the software portion....but I not gonna drop them cuz they wanna do it all themselves...I'm sure you can root it and someone will figure out to put the market back on and stuff just like they did with the Kindle Fire...let em try, you never know they could surprise you
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if they do i hope they will still make android phones. i personally like the match with samsung and android. makes me even more of a fan boy i suppose, but i guess im just a android guy, i just think samsung is the only competitor big enough for apple. plus i love the fact that when i pull out my samsung phone around apple people they start bashing me, then i let them know a little info, they shut up real quick. but i hope they dont move all phones over to whatever theyre gonna call this os.
If it will be better than Android, why not?
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no android no samsung
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Look at what's happened in the past 6 months alone:
1) Google closed on Motorola Mobility (right here in my backyard) - meaning Motorola is out of the mobile biz if I understand correctly. To do it Google had to promise to keep Android open for 5 more years... and I doubt it will be much longer than that for newer versions.
2) Microsoft is launching their own tablet - a big shift in things because they're adopting the idea that controlling the hw and sw sides will end up with a better product - and in general is right (so long as the dev support is there)
So if this is the model being taken - give a generic version (at a fee) for manufacturers who want it but keep the best completely in house - then Samsung has 5 years to really work on that before they'd have to even think about departing from Android on any devices. My guess is this would be on low end devices first to potentially avoid licensing fees for Android in the future - but time will tell.
But hey, this is all speculation and a lot changes every year - I'll just wait and see for now.
i hope android never goes close and restricted
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Whole new OS?
Of course we'd all ditch it.
If it's not open-source.
Unless they can unveil it with some sort of 'cant-live-without' features package.
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I don't see another OS getting huge developer support.
I'm sure the Galaxy name will help them sell but once consumers learn it doesn't have all the same apps it will flop.
garwynn said:
Look at what's happened in the past 6 months alone:
1) Google closed on Motorola Mobility (right here in my backyard) - meaning Motorola is out of the mobile biz if I understand correctly. To do it Google had to promise to keep Android open for 5 more years... and I doubt it will be much longer than that for newer versions.
2) Microsoft is launching their own tablet - a big shift in things because they're adopting the idea that controlling the hw and sw sides will end up with a better product - and in general is right (so long as the dev support is there)
So if this is the model being taken - give a generic version (at a fee) for manufacturers who want it but keep the best completely in house - then Samsung has 5 years to really work on that before they'd have to even think about departing from Android on any devices. My guess is this would be on low end devices first to potentially avoid licensing fees for Android in the future - but time will tell.
But hey, this is all speculation and a lot changes every year - I'll just wait and see for now.
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Sweet. Now my Friend can shut up about how his moto X2 is better then my Epic touch. Even stock, we all know who's is better.
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