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Earlier this week we told you guys that Windows Mobile 6.5 was going to stick around after Windows Phone 7 hits the masses. It would even take on a new name — Windows Phone Classic. With everyone sticking around and playing nice at this party, you’d think that maybe current WinMo 6.5 handsets might get a little Windows Phone 7 love. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Microsoft Mobile Communications Business Director Aaron Woodman told CNET Asia, “I don’t know if any Windows Mobile 6.5 device today meets those specifications.” It sounds like your average Microsoft move: if you want the new software, you’ll also have to get new hardware because your old junk just isn’t gonna cut it, baby.
The new handsets are getting primo parts such as Qualcomm’s 1GHz Snapdragon processor (no Tegra, sorry). WinPho 7, being a fresh OS and more intensive than its predecessors, will undoubtedly need hardware resources that most 6.5 devices just don’t have, but don’t fret. Unlike everyone staying on Windows XP when Vista came out, upgrading to WinPho 7 out of WinMo 6.5 is definitely a move in the right direction. WinMo 6.5 is going to stick around for enterprise and developing countries, so unless you’re tied to the OS for those reasons, I’m sure you wouldn’t mind ditching your current 6.5 handset for a shiny new WinPho 7 device when it comes out.
Q&A: Microsoft on Windows Phone 7 Series
CNET Asia
BARCELONA--You didn't hear? Microsoft has at long last announced the Windows Phone 7 Series at Mobile World Congress. Forget whatever impressions you have of the current Windows Mobile operating system as the new 7 Series is unlike anything we've seen. The user interface has been completely reworked to feature live tiles, panoramic screens and enhanced gaming and music experiences. Microsoft knew it had to deliver something with pow at the annual mobile tradeshow, and it did deliver. While the first devices aren't expected until the year-end holiday season, there's still a lot to know about the new software.
The new Windows Phone 7 Series interface looks nothing like its predecessors'.
We sat down with the director of Mobile Communications Business, Aaron Woodman, the general manager for Asia in the Mobile Communications Business, Natasha Kwan, and the head of Mobile Services, Manish Ladha, to discuss everything, from the software to hardware and services.
Windows Phone 7 Series
What is the Windows Phone 7 Series and is there a particular significance with the number 7 or the new naming convention? Do you think the new name will confuse users?
Woodman: There were four big pieces of news yesterday [Monday]. The biggest was Windows Phone 7 Series and all the changes in the product around smart designs, integrated experiences and the Windows Phone hubs. The second was we brought Xbox Live and Zune to Windows Phone for the first time and we will take that internationally. The third was about a specific set of partners, mobile operators and OEMs that have committed to be early launch partners. The last piece of news was on the Q4 holiday time frame launch in time for the seasonal push.
We started changing the brand strategy with Windows Mobile (WM) 6.5. We announced the new brand as Windows Phone and the OS will remain consistent in terms of naming structure, which is Windows Mobile 6.5. That actually was significant for us because it was really the first time we wanted to market software directly to consumers. So we started Windows Phone and we really shipped two products--MyPhone and Windows Marketplace--which helped us start to have a direct relationship with the customer. That was a big step because prior to that, we simply shipped the operating system, while the OEMs and mobile operators had a relationship with the customer. So WM6.5 was a very small incremental step to start that process.
Windows Phone 7 Series is us front center trying to interact with the customers to solve their needs and ultimately taking accountability. I don't think it's confusing. I think it's a change. There are a lot of changes and this is just one of many. In terms of 7, there is no particular significance around 7. There is particular emphasis on Series knowing that we're going to have a selection of phones running a single version of the product.
What took Microsoft so long to publicly announce Windows Phone 7 Series?
Aaron Woodman: I don't know whether I would say it took us so long to announce it. We started to see a pretty significant change in the market place three or four years ago and that was driven by three things. The first was customer expectations. Customers have changed pretty dramatically over the last few years. If you looked at the prices of phones and data plans in the late 1990s and early 2000s, it was the businesses that could afford those. There wasn't a lot of end-consumers out there and usage of the product.
The second was technology--what was fundamentally possible on the device and at what price points. We started to see processors, chipsets and price points of data plans come down pretty dramatically. The third was competition. There are two types of competitors. Vertical competitors are people who have the ability to achieve quality entirely because they have the software and can achieve economies of scale to drive down component prices. And also people integrating data.
These three things came together at a time which brought a lot of emphasis on how we had to change to be competitive. That change started over two years ago with a shift in leadership. The result was a strategy behind the 7 Series. There are not a lot of companies that have the ability to step back from what I would argue was a successful strategy in the mobile phone space. Today, we still sell a ton of phones.
So I don't feel late with it. I always wished I had more innovations sooner, but I think we definitely stepped back, took our time and were willing to make some pretty dramatic changes.
Dramatic it is, since the interface is unlike anything we've seen before. But how do you intend to keep up with the competition since the first devices on the new OS aren't expected until Q4 2010?
Woodman: I think we have a very unique perspective on the business. What we've seen is that most of our competition focuses on just bringing applications to the forefront. They use a very classic design language that we pioneered with a lot of our work on the desktop. Our perspective puts us into a different place because we focus much more on the customer end of the tasks and the ability to complete what you want to do. We fully expect apps to participate in that new design language. That perspective, I would argue, is quite unique to the marketplace today, and that's what results in such a different look and feel of the product. And then we brought some differentiation that I would argue most phone or phone software providers simply don't have. Xbox Live is a social game backbone with a community of over 23 million. That's not something Nokia and Apple has. They need to have a partner to do that and that makes it more difficult to do deep integration.
I would also argue that the search engine and data behind that allows us to do a very unique implementation of things like maps, search and results. If you look at the competition, there is only one provider which has that same product and that's Google. If you look at the music space, we have the PC desktop software and the ability to think about the rich integration between the PC and the phone, and the only one that kind of does that today is Apple. If you start to add these pieces together, you can identify unique competitors like MyPhone, MobileMe and Ovi. As a whole , there are very few people who have these assets. What I can say about our competitors is that they are very respectful and have great products, but I feel very good about my ability to differentiate both in the short and long term.
Why would anyone want to buy a 7 Series device over an iPhone, Android, Nokia or a BlackBerry?
Woodman: I think there are two reasons, and probably the biggest reason is that people will be drawn to the design. I really do think that's the case when you start focusing on things like the task rather than the applications. I think people will be drawn to the fact that they are able to see their information quickly, easily and in a readable fashion. Also, we thought about the design in terms of the motion and transitions where you see things fly in and out in a very dynamic fashion.
The second thing people will be drawn to is the idea of taking the most common tasks and bringing them together. People are a great example where today you really get fragmented in the people experience. And we start to see some people do some very, very lightweight integration of social networking. We think we are going to deliver that in a way that is going to be quite unique.
What operating system does Windows Phone 7 Series run on? Is there a name for it?
Woodman: There's product brand and product line. The brand is Windows Phone and Windows Phone 7 Series is the product line. The OS will be Windows Phone OS 7.
Are the codes different from the current CE codes?
Woodman: Yes, all the software was revisited when we built Windows Phone 7 Series. Nobody felt like an incremental change was going to get us to a point where we felt we would be competitive over the next several years. Across the board, I don't think anyone felt restrained to stay inside our current development model. We'll come back again and talk about that at MIX (a Microsoft Web design/development event) in March.
How can manufacturers differentiate their products?
Aaron Woodman: You'll see mobile operators and OEMs bring differentiation into the software experience through unique access to some tools. That said, you won't see any user experience on top of Windows Phone 7 Series. You won't see any skinning and those sort of things. There is so much fragmentation where the ecosystem is kind of butting heads against the same innovation. You won't see any opportunity for any OEM or third-party app developer to take over the user experience.
Hardware
What has Microsoft done since the acquisition of Danger? Are there any developments on that front and what are the company's plans for Danger?
Woodman: What I will tell you is that the number one thing we got from Danger is really about people and their expertise in the mobile phone space. You'll see a lot of benefits here as we start to think about how to structure hardware and work with hardware partners.
Can you give a straight answer on whether Microsoft will release a consumer phone line?
Woodman: Just answer this straight? [Exasperated laughter] The answer is, I don't really know. And the reason I don't know is we have mobile as a strategy as a company and I will tell you the company is not aggressive in that marketplace. If we felt like there was an opportunity to do something really compelling and different, we would do it. That said, Microsoft has a partner-driven model and we believe in the benefits of partnerships.
What are the hardware specifications Microsoft is laying out for OEMs?
Woodman: We will provide the OS primarily to software developers in March. Every 7 Series device will have a Qualcomm chip. It will be touch-based. There won't be any non-touch, but that's not saying there won't be any keyboard devices, so they will all be touch and capacitive. There is a single aspect ratio. It will have Wi-Fi and GPS and other services which we will talk about soon.
Can the users of the current Windows Mobile software upgrade to the new one when it comes out?
Woodman: I don't know if any Windows Mobile 6.5 device today meets those specifications.
How many 7 Series devices can users expect this year?
Woodman: A billion! No, I don't know. You saw the announcement of the OEMs and it's really up to them in terms of how many devices they release in the different markets.
Windows Mobile 6.x
What happens now to Windows Mobile 6.5, or even 6.5.3? Are you going to completely phase out the current WinMo or will it continue with a different proposition?
Woodman: We don't have a specific timeline for Windows Mobile 6.5. It still has a lot of demand and value for both OEMs and customers today. The reality is that demand will determine the lifespan of Windows Mobile 6.5. So as long as OEMs and customers find value there, we'll continue to support and sell the product.
Are there going to be new devices coming out this year?
Kwan: Yes. When we announced Windows Mobile 6.5 in October last year, we said we will continue to have updates. WM6.5.3 is an update in terms of added feature functionality. In the WM6 platform, there were a lot of legacy applications that were written with the stylus in mind. So we have the magnifier to enhance the touch experience for these apps. We also anticipate 14 new devices out in Asia in the next six months.
Are the target user groups of Windows Mobile 6.5, 6.5.3 and Windows Phone 7 Series different?
Kwan: The target audience is similar. Internally, we call it the life maximizer, but that's really about the 23-35 age group. We are talking about a group of people who are actually quite settled in what they do. They are confident people. They have a lot of priorities to juggle at work and in personal lives. Yet, they also want their phone to be able to help them obtain information to make their decision.
With Windows Phone 7 Series, we have built the OS from the ground up. We really want to take a lot of accountability in the user experience. We want to ensure that we build greater quality and consistency with the phone and have an integrated experience. For WM6.5, it is going to be the platform where we allow OEM partners to continue to have their unique user interfaces. It is also a platform today where a lot of enterprise business apps are being built. More and more, we are seeing that the phone is critical for a lot of these enterprise apps. That's where WM6.5 continues to hold a lot of strength in a managed enterprise environment.
Services
Will the entire suite of Live services be available on Windows Phone 7 Series?
Ladha: We will continue to provide the existing experience even as we go into the 7 Series. It's not really classified as Windows Live, but within the People Hub, there will be updates coming from Windows Live or Facebook. Essentially, it's getting all your communication in one place.
Will there be Live services specific to 7 Series?
Ladha: Xbox Live and Zune are new to Windows Phone 7 Series. On WM6.5, you have Marketplace and MyPhone, and that will continue on for the 7 Series.
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What kind of gaming experience can users look forward to on the 7 Series devices? And what do developers have to look out for?
Ladha: That's still evolving and we will be discussing that in the next conference. You can see your avatars on your Windows Phones. You will get the same experience as on the Xbox, but this question of which games and to what extent is still being defined.
Assuming I have an Xbox and some games, do I have to repurchase the games to play on the handset?
Ladha: The actual mechanics in terms of which games and the payment process will be disclosed at a later stage.
Which version of the IE browser is it?
Ladha: The IE browser on the 7 Series is not really IE7 or IE8 from the PC but is built specifically for the mobile device. Previously, on WM6.5, we had Pocket IE, so it's an evolution of that. But it also has a lot of elements from the IE7 and IE8 in terms of the experience.
What is the name of this IE browser?
Ladha: We are not disclosing that right now.
It was said during the press conference that every 7 Series device is a Zune. Does that mean there won't be anymore dedicated Zune media players?
Ladha: We won't be commenting on that right now. Each and every 7 Series device will have the entire Zune experience in terms of playback and user interface currently available on the Zune HD.
What's the portfolio of Live services?
Ladha: Hotmail, Messenger and Photos are the more popular ones. There's also Spaces, but it's not that prominent. SkyDrive is a very popular service on the PC. However, we have a similar service which is called MyPhone.
It seems there's some duplication of services. Does Microsoft plan to combine them moving forward?
Ladha: I won't call it duplication of features. It's just that on the phone, there is no Windows Live SkyDrive for mobile. Instead, it's MyPhone. So it's ultimately performing the same actions.
my opinion
just microsoft's illusions for forcing people to buying new crapgadgets just for playing with new os.
Sina™ said:
my opinion
microsoft's illusions for forcing people to buying new crapgadgets just for playing with new os.
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and that will only work with the help of those users who wana change from iphone or symbian and move to winmo7. i doubt power users of android and winmo 6.5.x will prefer much of this new limited environment of winmo7.
with what they think they r providing will be gr8 for end user. i can assure that winmo7 is gonna fall like vista.
winmo 5-6.5.x has never been a sexy OS. it only worked cause most of its users know its power of customization. thats the reason winmo has been living for soo long. without that i doubt they'll b able to sustain much. i may be turned out wrong but this is what i strongly feel.
that's a good news.
microsoft will fail again & people will switch to android or iphone.
but what if xda devs fail to port android to wm 6.xx devices?
Sina™ said:
that's a good news.
microsoft will fail again & people will switch to android or iphone.
but what if xda devs fail to port android to wm 6.xx devices?
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i doubt xda will fail at portin androind. sooner or later they will. like they have done for hd and tp2.
That's right, WP7 might not for power user ... if and only if it is quite limited in terms of customization / tweaking, just like iPhone.
But, it is early to tell that WP7 will fail.
Why?
Because power user is much more limited in terms of numbers compared to regular users.
And dont forget people JUMPING platform from iPhone, Nokia, BB, Android, others to WP7 ... just to try something new or they think it is more attractive.
You cannot rule that out.
Mr. Makk said:
and that will only work with the help of those users who wana change from iphone or symbian and move to winmo7. i doubt power users of android and winmo 6.5.x will prefer much of this new limited environment of winmo7.
with what they think they r providing will be gr8 for end user. i can assure that winmo7 is gonna fall like vista.
winmo 5-6.5.x has never been a sexy OS. it only worked cause most of its users know its power of customization. thats the reason winmo has been living for soo long. without that i doubt they'll b able to sustain much. i may be turned out wrong but this is what i strongly feel.
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Buying a phone should not be enforcement.
I feel sorry for you if you were forced to buy a phone / gadget
There are choices as you said, iPhone, Android, Nokia, upcoming MeeGo or even Bada OS.
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i dont want new gadgets every year, i want strong 3rd party support like iphone.
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Is anyone going to try to get one of these Windows Embedded Handheld devices so you can use all your Windows Mobile apps instead of going for Windows Phone 7?
WinEH is designed for enterprise markets, so they probably won't offer these phones to consumers. WP7 will probably be the main offering for most people.
If possible, definitely.
I think that it will be just a question of time until HTC starts to do a WEH box. Ah, and something else - Symbol makes really nice hardware. I handled them at the CeBit some time ago, and would have had no issues using one of these devices as my main phone of it were given to me.
WP7 is for consumers
WEH is for businesses/enterprise
It's pretty simple
lordcanti86 said:
WP7 is for consumers
WEH is for businesses/enterprise
It's pretty simple
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I didn't ask what the target market was. I'm not an idiot, but that won't stop people from going and getting a device when they come out. They just won't be advertised. Like my TMO Touch Pro2 is a business device and was never advertised but I still went and picked one up. My question is whether or not YOU are going to try to get a Windows Embedded Handheld Phone or move to Windows Phone 7 not if the average consumer is going to do that.
Hmm, if there's an upgrade for the current HTC Touch phones, it's gonna be this. I'm going to try and work on it. >
Screw WP7.
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WP7 is for consumers
WEH is for businesses/enterprise
It's pretty simple
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Business pick what their employees want. Just look at the iPhone.
WP7 will be for business as well, just look at the sharepoint integration. It'll be very win, specially for tech'ish companies (I already have wild dreams about ticket control for TFS over my mobile, combined with sharepoint!)
People sticking to Windows Mobile is just the stubborn old people, that won't move on, even if they don't have any good arguments not to.
Windcape said:
Business pick what their employees want. Just look at the iPhone.
WP7 will be for business as well, just look at the sharepoint integration. It'll be very win, specially for tech'ish companies (I already have wild dreams about ticket control for TFS over my mobile, combined with sharepoint!)
People sticking to Windows Mobile is just the stubborn old people, that won't move on, even if they don't have any good arguments not to.
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Exactly. And it's not just corporations, the US Department of Defense is looking at using iPhones and Android!
WP7 in v1 isn't really enterprise ready for many businesses as there's not enough policy/control. It's basically just the normal exchange settings, forcing a PIN, and remote wipe at the moment. They also don't allow private app distribution. Once they add more device control and a way to push apps to the phones, they'll jump all over it. Their .net developers will be begging them to. Apple doesn't "get" the enterprise. Microsoft does.
But to get the enterprise market to use your phones, you need the average consumer to use it first. Once you got a success with that, you can implement enterprise features.
Also way to many .NET developers, even the Microsoft employees on the different .NET divisions use iPhone, just look at their tweets from various iPhone apps.
iPhone isn't a business device yet businesses are starting to want to use it. Why? Because the people who work the the business don't want to carrie around multiple phones and they like their iphone. So, if WP7 can get it right on the consumer side people will be begging to have their device used for their business as well and if WP7 can set it up to make that an easy task then Microsoft will have a big win on their hands.
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WP7 is for consumers
WEH is for businesses/enterprise
It's pretty simple
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Yea, it looks like they're doing a parrallel line like Windows NT (business)/Windows 98(consumer).
I'm assuming WP8 will unite the lines and be the Windows XP of MS's mobile line.
gom99 said:
Yea, it looks like they're doing a parrallel line like Windows NT (business)/Windows 98(consumer).
I'm assuming WP8 will unite the lines and be the Windows XP of MS's mobile line.
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No, they aren't. How many time are to we say this?
WP7 comes with more business tools than any other smartphone. Hell, there is even plans for private application distributions over the market, they just aren't done yet.
Any arguments to keep WinMobile is stupid nonsense so far.
Windcape said:
No, they aren't. How many time are to we say this?
WP7 comes with more business tools than any other smartphone. Hell, there is even plans for private application distributions over the market, they just aren't done yet.
Any arguments to keep WinMobile is stupid nonsense so far.
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What do you mean no they aren't? Of course they are having 2 seperate product lines for the time being, because wp7 isn't ready to replace windows mobile as of yet. You said it yourself, they're not done, so they're maintaining 2 seperate product lines like my analogy Windows NT/2000 & Windows 98.
Maybe the confusion is that I put WP8...I probably should have sais "WP8". Whether or not they keey the moniker wp7 doesn't really matter, I just meant a later release of the newer OS.
And I don't see how wp7 is coming with more business tools than Windows Mobile. It's going to have office and sharepoint integration, I don't see how that's more than what we have now. Add on top of that, all the in house business applications that cannot be reproduced in wp7 as of yet, and I'll call your statement exaggeration.
WP7 is ready to replace Windows Mobile. And they are not maintaining it as two different lines of products, as WP7 is not released yet, and Windows Mobile looks like to not be maintained further.
If WP7 fails, Microsoft is likely to draw out of the mobile market entirely.
WP7 is designed for both private and business consumers. It's not meant to be a private alternative to Windows Mobile.
Windcape said:
WP7 is ready to replace Windows Mobile. And they are not maintaining it as two different lines of products, as WP7 is not released yet, and Windows Mobile looks like to not be maintained further.
If WP7 fails, Microsoft is likely to draw out of the mobile market entirely.
WP7 is designed for both private and business consumers. It's not meant to be a private alternative to Windows Mobile.
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Everything I've read has suggested that Windows Mobile "Classic" has several years of support left it in. I'd be surprised if we don't see another version of it released. We already have WEH, and that's fairly new, I'm sure they'll release updates to that as well.
gom99 said:
Everything I've read has suggested that Windows Mobile "Classic" has several years of support left it in. I'd be surprised if we don't see another version of it released. We already have WEH, and that's fairly new, I'm sure they'll release updates to that as well.
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Vista and Windows 7 was also intended to replace Windows XP. And Windows Server 2008 R1 and R2 was also meant to replace Windows Server 2003.
Yet the products still have support. But they aren't further developed, and application developers will only focus on supporting the new and hip platform (read: WP7).
Windcape said:
Vista and Windows 7 was also intended to replace Windows XP. And Windows Server 2008 R1 and R2 was also meant to replace Windows Server 2003.
Yet the products still have support. But they aren't further developed, and application developers will only focus on supporting the new and hip platform (read: WP7).
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Except that Vista & Windows 7 can perform pretty much any task that Windows XP can perform and then some. That's not the case in windows mobile and the october release of wp7.
You're thinking too consumer facing and not business facing. Eventually it will be replaced in the business sector, but that OS is not wp7 in October. Perhaps wp7 in 2012.
It'll replace Windows Mobile in the business sector, as fast as iPhone replaced Palm Pre / Blackberry / Windows Mobile.
You don't get it, business already changed to using iPhones, Windows Phone 7 will just be "neater" with their other Windows solution. And thus they'll rather pick that.
Windows Phone 7 can also perform all the same tasks as Windows Mobile can. You're just unhappy with being forced to get applications over-the-air.
Windcape said:
It'll replace Windows Mobile in the business sector, as fast as iPhone replaced Palm Pre / Blackberry / Windows Mobile.
You don't get it, business already changed to using iPhones, Windows Phone 7 will just be "neater" with their other Windows solution. And thus they'll rather pick that.
Windows Phone 7 can also perform all the same tasks as Windows Mobile can. You're just unhappy with being forced to get applications over-the-air.
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While some businesses are adopting the iPhone, most are sticking with Blackberry and some WinMo. The iPhone just doesn't have the management capabilities that Blackberry does. It's certain that MS will add this support (basically just support for System Center) and once they do it will have a leg up in the enterprise over iPhone and potentially even Blackberry. The thing that Blackberry has is that it's the clear dominant party here and enterprise users are notoriously slow to adopt new technology. Most upper middle/management, who are the ones that primarily supplied with devices and make these decisions, are the older portion of the workforce and aren't too keen on all the new-fangled gadgets. They've figured out how to use their blackberries and don't want to change. Of course I'm generalizing massively but this is true a vast majority of the time.
I work in IT for a fortune 100 company and I have seen some push to get iPhones and Android devices in use but it's pretty much gone nowhere. There's even some effort in the US Department of Defense to make this happen there and that looks like it's actually gonna happen surprisingly enough. But the problem prohibiting widespread usage is the lack of security and management features.
So once WP7 gets the full suite of management tools and a method of private app distribution, it will have a big leg up on the competition. Why? Tight integration with Microsoft's enterprise management and content systems. It already has good integration with Exchange and SharePoint. Managers (and regular users) will continue to request/demand more modern devices. The IT departments will demand more enterprise features than iPhone and Android provide. WP7 will provide that happy medium. I would imagine that this will come with the next release of SCCM.
But let's not dismiss RIM just yet. They're updating their OS a good bit for the next release (including a Webkit based browser) so it's unlikely that we'll see a mass exodus anytime soon. If WP7 is cheap for companies to add to their infrastructure, it could become a real alternative to Blackberry.
Companies are notorious slow at picking up new technology yes. But their employees are not. So when half the company runs around with a iPhone, you can't ignore it any longer.
I'm still wondering exactly what management capabilities you want. It's a bloody phone, it's not meant to be controlled by the IT-department, it's meant to do what it's made for.
Silly American companies with internet filters, and strict policies won't ever go with a smartphone like this. But luckily times are changing, and most companies are realizing that employees work better if given proper freedom.
But yeah, I think there's a culture gap between Europe and American way of thinking about devices in a work context here.
when this is right then soon wp7 will be real big
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http://mynokiablog.com/2010/12/20/nokia-and-microsoft-discussing-wp7-on-nokia-says-eldar/
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UnwiredView reports that according to Eldar, Nokia are working on a Windows Phone 7 phone!
Nokia has always been adamant that there will only be, S40, Symbian and MeeGo. Android was not the answer. That was, as they say, “peeing in their pants to stay warm”. Temporary measure with poor long term outcome. Before I get onto Eldar…
I’ve referenced this video a few times but remember the MeeGo interview with Marko Ahtisaari. Though Android on Nokia was refused, WP7 was not so blatantly denied. WP7 was supposedly different, though too early to tell, offered an interesting pattern.
On talking about Android:
“We’re interest in using platforms where we can add value and if that were the case – then. But it isn’t right now”
Android apparently doesn’t answer this. Symbian and Android apparently has the same pattern. WP7 is a different one
So, other than Analysis of Mr Ahtisaari’s comments, what does Eldar have to say?
Supposedly, Nokia’s new management (Microsoft VP turned Nokia CEO?) initiated talks with Microsoft to expand cooperation. Not just technology exchange, or more Microsoft apps on Nokia phones but the creation of Window Phone 7 devices sold by Nokia. This, in true Eldar Style, is both companies desperate attempts to rescue themselves from the onslaught of Android.
Eldar isn’t in favour of this partnership. The strong command of development is taken away from Nokia (if true). He reminds us of a Nokia quote in reference to Siemens and BenQ that an eagle will not come out of two hens. Well, Siemens and BenQ, the only similarities are that they both used to make phones. Microsoft and Nokia are still pretty much giants in the game and as is Intel (MeeGo partnership). And this millennium is the year of Biological engineering so who knows what legendary chimera can arise? No more infertile mules please.
Eldar via UnwiredView << Cheers to Arts for the tip!
Just like the Android denials, do you reckon if this is picked up by major blogs like Giz/En that Nokia will publicly deny this too?
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original posted by wpcentralThe world is aflutter today (and journalism has taken a back seat) with the unsubstantiated rumor that Nokia, under leadership of Nokia CEO Stephen Elop, who used to work with Microsoft, is in secret talks to work with Microsoft on releasing some Windows Phones. The rumor comes from Eldar Murtazin, who has attained near celebrity status with his rumor posts, despite the mediocre track record. In a post he writes (translated):
In the last month behind closed doors is a discussion of expanded cooperation Nokia and Microsoft (two-way discussion, initiated by the new leadership of Nokia). Not simply the exchange of technology, but creating an entire line of Windows Phone devices that may go under the name Nokia, through the sales channels for the company, and will also have the characteristic features of its products. This is a desperate measure of the two companies. The last step for the salvation of Android, which crushes everything in its path.
Nokia has very recently denied such future moves, instead reaffirrming their committment to Symbian and MeeGo OS, yet the rumor persists, perhaps out of wishful thinking. It is certainly possible that Nokia may release a secondary line of phones with WP7 on board--heck, Palm did the same years ago till they got back on their feet (to fall on their face again)--but we're not holding our breath on this one. For one, there is no secondary source that comes even close to backing this up and number two, financially it doesn't make much sense (see summary at ZDNet).
But we'll leave the possibility open. We're just not that confident in the idea. Even if Nokia does go forward with a Windows Phone line, so what? Has Nokia hardware (in absence of their OS) been anything truly remarkable? Or has HTC, Samsung and Apple grabbed the spotlight with hardware innovation and unique design? Call us cynical, but we're going with the latter. If Nokia and Microsoft hatch out a plan though, it will only help Windows Phone presence in the market. That is something we could live with, even if we are skeptical of the whole idea.
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I would imagine this would spark the platform in EU where Nokia is still a top brand.. in the US, Nokia had its hayday about 10 years ago but at least they could put price pressure on devices here as well
blahism said:
I would imagine this would spark the platform in EU where Nokia is still a top brand.. in the US, Nokia had its hayday about 10 years ago but at least they could put price pressure on devices here as well
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I didn't mean to thank you, I meant to press Quote but enjoy the free Thanks anyway
The EU is a much bigger market than the US infact the US is quite tiny in comparison. Mobile phones is probably the only thing where Europe comes on top and it is the reason why many phones, not just smartphones, are released only in Europe (and Asia) and not at all in the US.
American Tech Blogs, Engadget, Gizmodo etc etc are constantly bashing Nokia because of Symbain and saying their Phones are awful but at the end of the day they sell more than RIM, HTC, Samsung and even Apple.
WP7 on Nokia devices would be MASSIVE. However, I'm not sure weather there is any truth in this. Microsoft have in the past tried to push nokia to adopt Windows Mobile and they've said no. Nokia like to do their own thing really and they can't really do that with Windows Phone due to no Customisation.
brummiesteven said:
I didn't mean to thank you, I meant to press Quote but enjoy the free Thanks anyway
The EU is a much bigger market than the US infact the US is quite tiny in comparison. Mobile phones is probably the only thing where Europe comes on top and it is the reason why many phones, not just smartphones, are released only in Europe (and Asia) and not at all in the US.
American Tech Blogs, Engadget, Gizmodo etc etc are constantly bashing Nokia because of Symbain and saying their Phones are awful but at the end of the day they sell more than RIM, HTC, Samsung and even Apple.
WP7 on Nokia devices would be MASSIVE. However, I'm not sure weather there is any truth in this. Microsoft have in the past tried to push nokia to adopt Windows Mobile and they've said no. Nokia like to do their own thing really and they can't really do that with Windows Phone due to no Customisation.
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There is quite a change within Nokia, they are going through a major restructuring, so if Microsoft and Nokia really want to MS might as well acquire them, it will not be surprising.
I am not sure how spending more money for mobile market than already allocated for advertisement ($500 million or so) is in the MS interest though.
Lets not forget to quote the entire thing:
"In the last month behind closed doors is a discussion of expanded cooperation Nokia and Microsoft (two-way discussion, initiated by the new leadership of Nokia). Not simply the exchange of technology, but creating an entire line of Windows Phone devices that may go under the name Nokia, through the sales channels for the company, and will also have the characteristic features of its products. This is a desperate measure of the two companies. The last step for the salvation of Android, which crushes everything in its path." -Eldar
The guy has a not so good track record. You're better off believing in the secret society of Illumaniti that only the people on the internet know about.
vetvito said:
Lets not forget to quote the entire thing:
"In the last month behind closed doors is a discussion of expanded cooperation Nokia and Microsoft (two-way discussion, initiated by the new leadership of Nokia). Not simply the exchange of technology, but creating an entire line of Windows Phone devices that may go under the name Nokia, through the sales channels for the company, and will also have the characteristic features of its products. This is a desperate measure of the two companies. The last step for the salvation of Android, which crushes everything in its path." -Eldar
The guy has a not so good track record. You're better off believing in the secret society of Illumaniti that only the people on the internet know about.
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LOL , I think I mist something on here , I only read that I have posted , not what Eldar posted.
Edit: I updated the first post.
In response to the question on WPCentral:
Has Nokia hardware (in absence of their OS) been anything truly remarkable?
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YES!
- The Nokia N95 had the BEST camera I have had the pleasure of using to date, it was an innovative slider sliding one way for a keypad and the other way for media controls
- The Nokia N8 has a 12 megapixel camera which blows away anything else I've ever seen on a phone.
I want my Nokia Windows Phone 7 phone with a 12 megapixel camera and Carl Zeiss Lens!
http://www.thetechherald.com/articl...-to-drop-Symbian-in-favour-of-Windows-Phone-7
Updated article. This should provice WP7 with some market share.
brummiesteven said:
In response to the question on WPCentral:
YES!
- The Nokia N95 had the BEST camera I have had the pleasure of using to date, it was an innovative slider sliding one way for a keypad and the other way for media controls
- The Nokia N8 has a 12 megapixel camera which blows away anything else I've ever seen on a phone.
I want my Nokia Windows Phone 7 phone with a 12 megapixel camera and Carl Zeiss Lens!
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I second this the n95 was a properly amazing phone that was way ahead of anything at the time. This is not the only example either look back to the late 90's with the 5110 even and the nokia communicator. They have slipped slightly in resent years but that's only due to the os there hardware is sound and solidly built to match.
If they do join forces then it will catapult wp7 back into the big league where it belongs. Lets just hope Nokia can see this.
It's great
Cannot wait for a Nokia WP7 device.
Nokia doesn't have much of a presence here in the U.S. but the few phones I've dealt with were very good. I'd love to see Nokia and WP7 together. I think it's a great match.
Why is there so much negativity on this!!! I just saw another article about this and it was blasting Nokia for making this move. It seems every reporter and media outlet can't wait for WP7 to fail. In my office, another friend just bought a WP7 phone so that makes 4 of us and 3 iPhone users. The rest have other phones or Blackberries (company issued).
So here's a sarcastic list:
Top ten reasons not to buy WP7
Top ten reasons WP7 users are losers
Top ten reasons Nokia shouldn't sell WP7 phones
Top ten reasons WP7 will fail
Top ten reasons anything, anytime, anywhere from Microsoft should be avoided
etc, etc
Engadget just got some news about potential talks/announcement next week on something.. (possibly wp7)
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/04/nokia-microsoft-announcing-partnership-next-week-possibly-invo/
Drop Symbian for this BS? It would possibly be the dumbest move of the year.
I surely hope Nokia would go on WP7. But I have my doubts... Most of in a Finnish forum is criticizing the rumor, if Nokia would go on WP7. They say, it would be the biggest mistake (I think they have not even try WP7). What I think, it would be the greatest for Nokia for a long time, I mean a loooong time.
I just bought an Omnia 7. I think it's awesome. My first Windows phone and it's awesome. Okey the old WM was terrible. I have never, ever even thinking about to try that, it looked so ugly and clumsy OS in a phone. But WP7 is so 100% made for a phone OS. And it's beautiful. With Nokia co-operation I think the WP7 could be also coming more popular in Scandinavian, which of course it is not now, because of the lack of localisation.
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Drop Symbian for this BS? It would possibly be the dumbest move of the year.
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You are so Anti-WP7, Pro-Android why do you even bother posting in here?
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You are so Anti-WP7, Pro-Android why do you even bother posting in here?
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And why do you even bother to reply on his BS
On the topic: If this happens it would be a very big win for Microsoft. They will finally have top-notch hardware for their OS plus a big name on it. However I do not see the real benefit for Nokia. They're gonna lose most of their identity in such move. In the other hand they've missed their momentum investing so much on Symbian and currently have not many choices. It will be a very hard decision for them.
PS: Personally, as an ordinary consumer, I also would like to see the quality of Nokia hardware combined with WP7.
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You are so Anti-WP7, Pro-Android why do you even bother posting in here?
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I make it a personal goal to be on people like that's ignore lists.
In rebuttal, Nokia backing an OS that's worthwhile? Did we just travel back to the mid-nineties? Where's the delorean?
I guess you guys haven't played with a new symbian? You would totally understand.
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I guess you guys haven't played with a new symbian? You would totally understand.
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It plays like android with less support.... not the boat I want to be in...
lqaddict said:
There is quite a change within Nokia, they are going through a major restructuring, so if Microsoft and Nokia really want to MS might as well acquire them, it will not be surprising.
I am not sure how spending more money for mobile market than already allocated for advertisement ($500 million or so) is in the MS interest though.
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i dont think MS will have there own mobile phone hardware as they work with OEM hardware vendors and if they want to keep that they will not develop or buy hardware compnies.... i beleive thats what happen ti KIN as it was a bad move because it will be conflict of intrest...
This alliance between Nokia and Microsoft is very very controversal for the geeks. Some of the things you may hear
-Fail. They shouldve stuck with Meego and Symbian.
-Fail. Nokia was failing anyway and this could not make their situation any worse
-Fail. Microsoft is not trustworthy and will only end up screwing Nokia
-Fail. Microsoft will lose other OEM supports because of Nokia getting special treatment
-Win. Nokia's hardware +Microsoft's software= <3 (See WP7 powered concept!)
-Win. Microsoft needed a truly dedicated OEM
-Win. New features will come from this such as intergrated marketplace and ovi maps.
-Win. Nokia will help influence Microsoft's WP7, additionally Nokia is given huge privilages to change any WP7 powered Nokia devices.
Reason?
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/exclusive-nokias-windows-phone-7-concept-revealed/
WIN
Really, I think Nokia wouldn't have had to gone this route if they didn't sit on their asses with MeeGo/Maemo.
Consider also they had S40, S60, Symbian^3, MeeGo, Maemo. If they had cut that down to one or two platforms and focused on supporting those two platforms extremely well, Nokia might not have been in as much trouble as they are now.
As far as the partnership goes, I have a feeling that Microsoft is going to eventually consume Nokia's soul.
Definitely a win. Nokia will prompt the other handset makers to improve their quality. And there is a higher grade of choice, as well.
Total win for Microsoft. Incredible. Big risk for Nokia as it abandons all other OS's and just goes with WP7. If they fail, Nokia's gone. What I find most amazing is it's a one way street. Microsoft gives up nothing, but gains a lot. Nokia gives up all other OS's in favour of WP7 which hasn't exactly been a huge success. The benefit is of course slashing cost, R&D, staff, managers of Symbian. Layoffs will be massive. According to Elop Nokia also gains access to an ecosystem. Don't know what that is worth.
Elop was a sleeper for Microsoft
This was planned years ago.
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Definitely a win. Nokia will prompt the other handset makers to improve their quality. And there is a higher grade of choice, as well.
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That's definitely correct.
Win-Win
Nokia was going nowhere but down. They had to make a move. Better to sacrifice some pride and get help than die.
With Android, they'd just be another handset maker. If they achieved any success, it would be more about Andoid than about Nokia.
With WP7, Nokia gets to be a core player in trying to build a contender. If they reach success, many will say that MS owes alot of its success to Nokia. Nokia will be seen as a major player with its own identity.
Win everyone I know that's had a play with metro ui love it, this with Nokia high quality but low priced handsets are a winner.a lot of the non geeks out there and there's actually alot more of them out there than geeks if asked would still rank Nokia higher than htc and samsung
Aerik said:
-Fail. Microsoft is not trustworthy and will only end up screwing Nokia
Reason?
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complete fail for nokia. microsoft will use this to kill off symbian completely, mark my words. then, if nokia doesn't do everything exactly at microsoft says, they will kill nokia off and sell the parts that are still profitable.
what a shame, nokia makes some AWESOME phones.
the nokia forums are buzzing about never buying again.
the symbian forums are buzzing about never developing for microsoft, in any capacity.
oh well, nice knowing you nokia.
microsoft can't kill off symbian. It's open source. Nokia was largely involved in the development of it. But they don't own it.
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microsoft can't kill off symbian. It's open source. Nokia was largely involved in the development of it. But they don't own it.
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forked trees never die, ok.
what about nokia ?
Nokia will be pushing their smartphones with Windows Phone OS on it. They are still doing symbian for their other phones, but seriously, how can anyone say this is a fail?
I'm sure with Microsoft and Nokia exclusivity, this cannot hurt anybody. Once Nokia has a few phones with Windows on it, then imagine how many more developers will jump on board to access a worldwide audience.
This is going to be awesome, I've always loved the Nokia phones (hardware aspect), but the software was a joke.
Gadgety said:
Total win for Microsoft. Incredible. Big risk for Nokia as it abandons all other OS's and just goes with WP7. If they fail, Nokia's gone. What I find most amazing is it's a one way street. Microsoft gives up nothing, but gains a lot. Nokia gives up all other OS's in favour of WP7 which hasn't exactly been a huge success. The benefit is of course slashing cost, R&D, staff, managers of Symbian. Layoffs will be massive. According to Elop Nokia also gains access to an ecosystem. Don't know what that is worth.
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who said nokia is giving up all other OS's???
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complete fail for nokia. microsoft will use this to kill off symbian completely, mark my words. then, if nokia doesn't do everything exactly at microsoft says, they will kill nokia off and sell the parts that are still profitable.
what a shame, nokia makes some AWESOME phones.
the nokia forums are buzzing about never buying again.
the symbian forums are buzzing about never developing for microsoft, in any capacity.
oh well, nice knowing you nokia.
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How would MS kill off nokia? I don't think you realize how big a company nokia is and MS hasn't bought them, just partnered with them...
Its sort of a free purchase. Or a silent take over. Its game over Nokia.
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who said nokia is giving up all other OS's???
How would MS kill off nokia? I don't think you realize how big a company nokia is and MS hasn't bought them, just partnered with them...
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Yeah with Microsoft's execs popping out here and there in Nokia high echelons it is not a clear sign of what is going to happen.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/12/nokia-usa-president-is-out-replaced-by-microsoft-vet-chris-webe/
Win. Nokia was bad at writing Operating Systems, but some of their software and services are extremely good. Free Turn by Turn Navigation with OFFLINE Maps for Windows Phone 7? Nokia can help WP7 improve on the business side, as well, and there may be technology that Nokia is willing to share with Microsoft form Symbian - which does have lots of good things in it.
This sounds very much like a two-way partnership.
seriously? haters... but they have clearly no clue what they are talking about.
this is a mega big win-win situation.
actually it is one major step forward into the future.
it is as big as IF steve jobs wouldnt had refused to talk to bill gates at the first apple computer presentation.
watch the movie Pirates Of Silicon Valley to understand what im talking about.
hell its like apple and microsoft would partner up, but even better.
i think most dont see wp7 as what it really is.
its the future mobile phone os.
yes iphone has alot of apps, so does osx... but how many apps does windows have? and lets not talk about the games sector..... windows/xbox vs what? iphone? even sony will make games for wp7 with their mobile system.... yes iphone maybe too but.. lets see....
wp7 is very much advanced over the first iphone OS
and thats who you have to compare it with.
you cant compare it with iphone 4 only because its running on almost the same hardware specs. you have to compare it to the first iphone.
wp7 is already now more accurate, faster and better looking.
its still in development.
and i belive i know why dev's dont have access to all features now.
its actually kinda simple.
you write a programm and want people to contribute with their own writings.
now if you give them access to all parts too early, when you cannot make sure that their programming wont break anything inside your programm which could make it unuseable forever. lets say a crazy backdoor. the dev's will get all the stuff that is availible on iphone these days, and more. but their have to make sure everything is working bevor they can allow you to do it.....
all thats left to say is take a look at this nokia morph presentation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKihhDC7-bI
now what os might run on it?
"morph isnt a product you can buy tomorrorw, but it isnt science-fiction either"
i think yesterday engadget announced a big breaktru in nanoprocessors
count 1+1 , welcome to the future , its 2011
one more research video on the morph, awesome
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LML7A9pdNM
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Elop did. Did you watch the presentation live? I did. Elop said they will migrate WP down to the cheaper phones and phase Symbian out (so that's one OS), cancel any competing activity in the MeeGo OS (2nd) and use learning from MeeGo to adapt the WP platform, and use any exprience from the project to create "future disruption" in terms of OS's, but that's far out ahead in terms of time, and he was extremely clear that Nokia will not spend any more on MeeGo. So you tell me, which "other OS's" did he mention that they will spend time or money on? You may be able to find a recording of the webcast online at Nokia.com if you don't believe me.
BTW, @webwalk, if you suggested I'm a Microsoft "hater," sorry wrong ass umption. I've got a MS computer, and I'm using the old WM OS in my current mobile device out of choice.
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I love the fact that Nokia and MS are working together , but what I don't like is that Nokia is allowed to change wp7 the way they like
this are the first signs of fragmentation , the one thing we don't want is that.
I am seriously worrying about how Microsoft are expecting to sell WP7 phones here in the Netherlands given that nobody seems to know they exist! All the time I see commercials on iPhone, Androids like Galaxy and so on, via TV, billboards, email. But Windows Phone 7? Not a sound. Not a glimpse. Is this silence before the Mango storm? How is this in other countries?
Pretty much the same. But I remember one billboard for WP7 next to quite frequent highway, it was there for nearly a month, back in January or December I think. I converted few people to WP7 already, but it is tough one ("so where is the internet sharing? Wifi would be the best." "there is no official way." "$#[email protected]!")
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I am seriously worrying about how Microsoft are expecting to sell WP7 phones here in the Netherlands given that nobody seems to know they exist! All the time I see commercials on iPhone, Androids like Galaxy and so on, via TV, billboards, email. But Windows Phone 7? Not a sound. Not a glimpse. Is this silence before the Mango storm? How is this in other countries?
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Me and a friend have one, other than that have never seen one in Holland either. But it mainly has to do with no official support in Holland yet, no marketplace, buggy locale settings, buggy push on TMobile, no dutch language. Mango will bring these and than we might expect to see more, certainly because nokia will probably release ads.
wp7
Microsoft is well aware that good and fast OS design and not finished functionality is not enough for them to ring all the advertising bells, because right now (with NoDo), iOS an Android would kill them with all-round possibilities. Mango - that's more like it. I have tried B2 and found out that it has almost everything that was left out in current OS.
They hit London pretty hard with advertising at launch. Must have bought up a good portion of Tube advertising for weeks. Been quiet this year though. A little bit of WP7 advertising about, but I think Microsoft have decided to cut their losses until Mango. There's not exactly anything new to sell right now, and the public clearly weren't interested in what they were offering last year.
In Italy no one knows it exists. When I show it to someone, they go either:
1) ah, it's an iphone, right ?
- I walk away
2) an, nice, it's the galaxy uh... what's the name ?
- nope, it's an omnia 7, the new windows phone from microsoft
- errr... what ?
- Windows Phone. Microsoft. See this logo ?
- errr... uhm ... so it's a galaxy s ?
- NO IT'S AN OMNIA 7. But it has Windows Phone system in it. You know, an operating system ?
- ah uhm... yes. And it's not an iphone ?
- I walk away
Fairly unknown in Norway as well, hopefully that changes with the official release over here when the new Mango phones hit.
Unknown in india as well
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Really really unknown at Netherlands Antilles (Curacao).
/sad
I think thet they're awaiting the Mango launch (escpecially since that's what Swedens Microsoft reps says, but thats mainly because it wont launch officially here until then).
Otherwise I love when conversations goes like this:
"Oh, your phone is pretty fluid, what launcher are you using?"
"No, no. This is a Windows Phone 7. Unlike Android it works as it should right out of the box and it's almost impossible to get an Android phone this fast."
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pretty much unknown in Singapore as well...
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In Italy no one knows it exists. When I show it to someone, they go either:
1) ah, it's an iphone, right ?
- I walk away
2) an, nice, it's the galaxy uh... what's the name ?
- nope, it's an omnia 7, the new windows phone from microsoft
- errr... what ?
- Windows Phone. Microsoft. See this logo ?
- errr... uhm ... so it's a galaxy s ?
- NO IT'S AN OMNIA 7. But it has Windows Phone system in it. You know, an operating system ?
- ah uhm... yes. And it's not an iphone ?
- I walk away
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Lolz, similar situation here. In Malaysia.
Another experience,
I walk in to a HTC booth hosted by authorized reseller in PC Expo, the representative approach me when I'm looking at 7 Mozart, then he ask me,
"Sir, looking for a handset?"
"No, I already owned one of this" (pointing to the Mozart)
"Why sir didn't try android? It can do pretty much everything can be done in WINDOWS" (WINDOWS is the exact word he use while pointing the Mozart)
"I don't think so"
"I don't believe, what kind of task that WINDOWS can done while android can't, android got lots of apps, office, blah blah blah..." (in the meantime taking his HTC Sensation / HTC Desire, I didn't really paid attention to his phone)
"It is hard to tell you, just let me show you" (Take my mozart out which preloaded with Mango 7661 and showing him the integration of FB and Windows Live plus the threading which integrate FB chat and MSN)
"Android can pretty much do the same if you download apps from market..." (I halt his speech)
"But I prefer to do these tasks seamlessly and without all those apps hussle"
Then he is somehow provoked by me and I walked away while going to see the pretty showgirl which handling the HTC Flyer.
No marketing here in Denmark either but when you think about it, we're not really supposed to have it anyway.
It was really hard to track down a WP7 phone here in Denmark around November.
I had three choices:
A Omnia 7 with 3 - Not a possiblity since i have Telia with my work, they were also sold out.
A Throphy i had to wait a month for (even though it was released at that time)
A HD7 US import. (Really expensive)
Ended up with my Trophy! Glad i didn't go for Android.
i think i live in the singularity, where 6 of my friends have it, too (switzerland)
but for others, i tell them it's not an iphone the 20iest time..
Thanks for all the responses, people! I don't feel quite so alone any more
Jan Roelof
andycted said:
In Italy no one knows it exists. When I show it to someone, they go either:
1) ah, it's an iphone, right ?
- I walk away
2) an, nice, it's the galaxy uh... what's the name ?
- nope, it's an omnia 7, the new windows phone from microsoft
- errr... what ?
- Windows Phone. Microsoft. See this logo ?
- errr... uhm ... so it's a galaxy s ?
- NO IT'S AN OMNIA 7. But it has Windows Phone system in it. You know, an operating system ?
- ah uhm... yes. And it's not an iphone ?
- I walk away
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Haha, so funny
They do that exactly on me too; so annoying, lrn2wp7. Eh wp7, whats that, an android?
fiinix said:
Haha, so funny
They do that exactly on me too; so annoying, lrn2wp7. Eh wp7, whats that, an android?
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That wouldn't be half bad, if people said 'android', as it would probably mean they have already made a step forward and aren't stuck in 2007 hehe
davepermen said:
i think i live in the singularity, where 6 of my friends have it, too (switzerland)
but for others, i tell them it's not an iphone the 20iest time..
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people in Switzerland know how to buy quality
They may want to coordinate with Nokia for a big push with the new Nokia phones. Nokia had a huge retail presence in Europe the last time I was there. I think the advertising dollars would be best saved for Mango + Nokia in every shop.
Here in Taiwan (home of HTC), WP7 devices are very visible; pretty much every medium to large phone retailer that stocks HTC phones has one or more Windows Phones.
However, those on display collect dust while consumers play with the Iphones and Android handsets. The reason is obvious; no one here speaks english, so with no current option for Chinese display or input there's no way the average Taiwanese consumer will even be able to operate the device, let alone think about buying it.
No Chinese combined with zero support for Bing maps, Bing local search and no Taiwanese app store makes me question why they even bothered launching here.