when this is right then soon wp7 will be real big
http://www.unwiredview.com/2010/12/20/holy-crap-nokia-is-in-talks-with-microsoft-about-windows-phone-devices/
http://mynokiablog.com/2010/12/20/nokia-and-microsoft-discussing-wp7-on-nokia-says-eldar/
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UnwiredView reports that according to Eldar, Nokia are working on a Windows Phone 7 phone!
Nokia has always been adamant that there will only be, S40, Symbian and MeeGo. Android was not the answer. That was, as they say, “peeing in their pants to stay warm”. Temporary measure with poor long term outcome. Before I get onto Eldar…
I’ve referenced this video a few times but remember the MeeGo interview with Marko Ahtisaari. Though Android on Nokia was refused, WP7 was not so blatantly denied. WP7 was supposedly different, though too early to tell, offered an interesting pattern.
On talking about Android:
“We’re interest in using platforms where we can add value and if that were the case – then. But it isn’t right now”
Android apparently doesn’t answer this. Symbian and Android apparently has the same pattern. WP7 is a different one
So, other than Analysis of Mr Ahtisaari’s comments, what does Eldar have to say?
Supposedly, Nokia’s new management (Microsoft VP turned Nokia CEO?) initiated talks with Microsoft to expand cooperation. Not just technology exchange, or more Microsoft apps on Nokia phones but the creation of Window Phone 7 devices sold by Nokia. This, in true Eldar Style, is both companies desperate attempts to rescue themselves from the onslaught of Android.
Eldar isn’t in favour of this partnership. The strong command of development is taken away from Nokia (if true). He reminds us of a Nokia quote in reference to Siemens and BenQ that an eagle will not come out of two hens. Well, Siemens and BenQ, the only similarities are that they both used to make phones. Microsoft and Nokia are still pretty much giants in the game and as is Intel (MeeGo partnership). And this millennium is the year of Biological engineering so who knows what legendary chimera can arise? No more infertile mules please.
Eldar via UnwiredView << Cheers to Arts for the tip!
Just like the Android denials, do you reckon if this is picked up by major blogs like Giz/En that Nokia will publicly deny this too?
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original posted by wpcentralThe world is aflutter today (and journalism has taken a back seat) with the unsubstantiated rumor that Nokia, under leadership of Nokia CEO Stephen Elop, who used to work with Microsoft, is in secret talks to work with Microsoft on releasing some Windows Phones. The rumor comes from Eldar Murtazin, who has attained near celebrity status with his rumor posts, despite the mediocre track record. In a post he writes (translated):
In the last month behind closed doors is a discussion of expanded cooperation Nokia and Microsoft (two-way discussion, initiated by the new leadership of Nokia). Not simply the exchange of technology, but creating an entire line of Windows Phone devices that may go under the name Nokia, through the sales channels for the company, and will also have the characteristic features of its products. This is a desperate measure of the two companies. The last step for the salvation of Android, which crushes everything in its path.
Nokia has very recently denied such future moves, instead reaffirrming their committment to Symbian and MeeGo OS, yet the rumor persists, perhaps out of wishful thinking. It is certainly possible that Nokia may release a secondary line of phones with WP7 on board--heck, Palm did the same years ago till they got back on their feet (to fall on their face again)--but we're not holding our breath on this one. For one, there is no secondary source that comes even close to backing this up and number two, financially it doesn't make much sense (see summary at ZDNet).
But we'll leave the possibility open. We're just not that confident in the idea. Even if Nokia does go forward with a Windows Phone line, so what? Has Nokia hardware (in absence of their OS) been anything truly remarkable? Or has HTC, Samsung and Apple grabbed the spotlight with hardware innovation and unique design? Call us cynical, but we're going with the latter. If Nokia and Microsoft hatch out a plan though, it will only help Windows Phone presence in the market. That is something we could live with, even if we are skeptical of the whole idea.
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I would imagine this would spark the platform in EU where Nokia is still a top brand.. in the US, Nokia had its hayday about 10 years ago but at least they could put price pressure on devices here as well
blahism said:
I would imagine this would spark the platform in EU where Nokia is still a top brand.. in the US, Nokia had its hayday about 10 years ago but at least they could put price pressure on devices here as well
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I didn't mean to thank you, I meant to press Quote but enjoy the free Thanks anyway
The EU is a much bigger market than the US infact the US is quite tiny in comparison. Mobile phones is probably the only thing where Europe comes on top and it is the reason why many phones, not just smartphones, are released only in Europe (and Asia) and not at all in the US.
American Tech Blogs, Engadget, Gizmodo etc etc are constantly bashing Nokia because of Symbain and saying their Phones are awful but at the end of the day they sell more than RIM, HTC, Samsung and even Apple.
WP7 on Nokia devices would be MASSIVE. However, I'm not sure weather there is any truth in this. Microsoft have in the past tried to push nokia to adopt Windows Mobile and they've said no. Nokia like to do their own thing really and they can't really do that with Windows Phone due to no Customisation.
brummiesteven said:
I didn't mean to thank you, I meant to press Quote but enjoy the free Thanks anyway
The EU is a much bigger market than the US infact the US is quite tiny in comparison. Mobile phones is probably the only thing where Europe comes on top and it is the reason why many phones, not just smartphones, are released only in Europe (and Asia) and not at all in the US.
American Tech Blogs, Engadget, Gizmodo etc etc are constantly bashing Nokia because of Symbain and saying their Phones are awful but at the end of the day they sell more than RIM, HTC, Samsung and even Apple.
WP7 on Nokia devices would be MASSIVE. However, I'm not sure weather there is any truth in this. Microsoft have in the past tried to push nokia to adopt Windows Mobile and they've said no. Nokia like to do their own thing really and they can't really do that with Windows Phone due to no Customisation.
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There is quite a change within Nokia, they are going through a major restructuring, so if Microsoft and Nokia really want to MS might as well acquire them, it will not be surprising.
I am not sure how spending more money for mobile market than already allocated for advertisement ($500 million or so) is in the MS interest though.
Lets not forget to quote the entire thing:
"In the last month behind closed doors is a discussion of expanded cooperation Nokia and Microsoft (two-way discussion, initiated by the new leadership of Nokia). Not simply the exchange of technology, but creating an entire line of Windows Phone devices that may go under the name Nokia, through the sales channels for the company, and will also have the characteristic features of its products. This is a desperate measure of the two companies. The last step for the salvation of Android, which crushes everything in its path." -Eldar
The guy has a not so good track record. You're better off believing in the secret society of Illumaniti that only the people on the internet know about.
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Lets not forget to quote the entire thing:
"In the last month behind closed doors is a discussion of expanded cooperation Nokia and Microsoft (two-way discussion, initiated by the new leadership of Nokia). Not simply the exchange of technology, but creating an entire line of Windows Phone devices that may go under the name Nokia, through the sales channels for the company, and will also have the characteristic features of its products. This is a desperate measure of the two companies. The last step for the salvation of Android, which crushes everything in its path." -Eldar
The guy has a not so good track record. You're better off believing in the secret society of Illumaniti that only the people on the internet know about.
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LOL , I think I mist something on here , I only read that I have posted , not what Eldar posted.
Edit: I updated the first post.
In response to the question on WPCentral:
Has Nokia hardware (in absence of their OS) been anything truly remarkable?
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YES!
- The Nokia N95 had the BEST camera I have had the pleasure of using to date, it was an innovative slider sliding one way for a keypad and the other way for media controls
- The Nokia N8 has a 12 megapixel camera which blows away anything else I've ever seen on a phone.
I want my Nokia Windows Phone 7 phone with a 12 megapixel camera and Carl Zeiss Lens!
http://www.thetechherald.com/articl...-to-drop-Symbian-in-favour-of-Windows-Phone-7
Updated article. This should provice WP7 with some market share.
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In response to the question on WPCentral:
YES!
- The Nokia N95 had the BEST camera I have had the pleasure of using to date, it was an innovative slider sliding one way for a keypad and the other way for media controls
- The Nokia N8 has a 12 megapixel camera which blows away anything else I've ever seen on a phone.
I want my Nokia Windows Phone 7 phone with a 12 megapixel camera and Carl Zeiss Lens!
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I second this the n95 was a properly amazing phone that was way ahead of anything at the time. This is not the only example either look back to the late 90's with the 5110 even and the nokia communicator. They have slipped slightly in resent years but that's only due to the os there hardware is sound and solidly built to match.
If they do join forces then it will catapult wp7 back into the big league where it belongs. Lets just hope Nokia can see this.
It's great
Cannot wait for a Nokia WP7 device.
Nokia doesn't have much of a presence here in the U.S. but the few phones I've dealt with were very good. I'd love to see Nokia and WP7 together. I think it's a great match.
Why is there so much negativity on this!!! I just saw another article about this and it was blasting Nokia for making this move. It seems every reporter and media outlet can't wait for WP7 to fail. In my office, another friend just bought a WP7 phone so that makes 4 of us and 3 iPhone users. The rest have other phones or Blackberries (company issued).
So here's a sarcastic list:
Top ten reasons not to buy WP7
Top ten reasons WP7 users are losers
Top ten reasons Nokia shouldn't sell WP7 phones
Top ten reasons WP7 will fail
Top ten reasons anything, anytime, anywhere from Microsoft should be avoided
etc, etc
Engadget just got some news about potential talks/announcement next week on something.. (possibly wp7)
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/04/nokia-microsoft-announcing-partnership-next-week-possibly-invo/
Drop Symbian for this BS? It would possibly be the dumbest move of the year.
I surely hope Nokia would go on WP7. But I have my doubts... Most of in a Finnish forum is criticizing the rumor, if Nokia would go on WP7. They say, it would be the biggest mistake (I think they have not even try WP7). What I think, it would be the greatest for Nokia for a long time, I mean a loooong time.
I just bought an Omnia 7. I think it's awesome. My first Windows phone and it's awesome. Okey the old WM was terrible. I have never, ever even thinking about to try that, it looked so ugly and clumsy OS in a phone. But WP7 is so 100% made for a phone OS. And it's beautiful. With Nokia co-operation I think the WP7 could be also coming more popular in Scandinavian, which of course it is not now, because of the lack of localisation.
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Drop Symbian for this BS? It would possibly be the dumbest move of the year.
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You are so Anti-WP7, Pro-Android why do you even bother posting in here?
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You are so Anti-WP7, Pro-Android why do you even bother posting in here?
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And why do you even bother to reply on his BS
On the topic: If this happens it would be a very big win for Microsoft. They will finally have top-notch hardware for their OS plus a big name on it. However I do not see the real benefit for Nokia. They're gonna lose most of their identity in such move. In the other hand they've missed their momentum investing so much on Symbian and currently have not many choices. It will be a very hard decision for them.
PS: Personally, as an ordinary consumer, I also would like to see the quality of Nokia hardware combined with WP7.
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You are so Anti-WP7, Pro-Android why do you even bother posting in here?
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I make it a personal goal to be on people like that's ignore lists.
In rebuttal, Nokia backing an OS that's worthwhile? Did we just travel back to the mid-nineties? Where's the delorean?
I guess you guys haven't played with a new symbian? You would totally understand.
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I guess you guys haven't played with a new symbian? You would totally understand.
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It plays like android with less support.... not the boat I want to be in...
lqaddict said:
There is quite a change within Nokia, they are going through a major restructuring, so if Microsoft and Nokia really want to MS might as well acquire them, it will not be surprising.
I am not sure how spending more money for mobile market than already allocated for advertisement ($500 million or so) is in the MS interest though.
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i dont think MS will have there own mobile phone hardware as they work with OEM hardware vendors and if they want to keep that they will not develop or buy hardware compnies.... i beleive thats what happen ti KIN as it was a bad move because it will be conflict of intrest...
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Hi all ass google told me, there will be an unofficial update for hd2 but they still have problems with the grafic driver.
I may buy an Hd2 and i want to know your opinion about the graphic bug and if the Hd2 has enough sufficient hardware; 1Ghz cpu is MINIMUM requierement and in the video in youtube the os works really slow.
Thx
wait until its ready for the HD2 before you buy 1, because its no guarantee that it will work & if it does who knows if it will be able to download things from the marketplace
as far as graphic drivers if those arent up to par the whole UI will be pointless (laggy & choppy) to many unknowns to spend that much on a phone imo
I talked to HTC and T-mobile they expect the update mid to late june around the same time the Iphone 4g will be droppin...
sorry to say but they just fed you donkey balls =)
the only thing I have seen or even heard/downloaded is a new rom from htc and its still 6.5
it isn't 7 =/
Officially microsoft has repeatedly stated that no device will get the wp7 upgrade sadly...so take it as it were but that's the official word
Thx guys but with unofficial update i mean the russian guys who could get wp7 working on the hd2
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sorry to say but they just fed you donkey balls =)
the only thing I have seen or even heard/downloaded is a new rom from htc and its still 6.5
it isn't 7 =/
Officially microsoft has repeatedly stated that no device will get the wp7 upgrade sadly...so take it as it were but that's the official word
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can u find the official microsoft statement and give s a link here??
well..I found this:
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Cue the sad trombone, folks. If you were waiting around with your Windows Mobile 6.5 device with hopes that Microsoft would one day bless it with a new chance at life in the form of Windows Phone 7, it’s time to move on.
APC Magazine just got the full spiel from Microsoft themselves: Windows Mobile 6.5 devices won’t be upgradable to Windows Phone 7 series. (You hear that? Five hundred XDA hackers just scoffed and said “Yeah, we’ll see about that.”)
Why? Standards. Microsoft has a very, very, almost ridiculously strict set of hardware guidelines that they want manufacturing partners to follow when building Windows Phone 7 Series handsets — and for the most part, old handsets just don’t fit the bill. They either lack one of the three mandatory keys (search, back, and Windows key), or — get this — they have too many keys.
A while back, a shot of the HTC HD2 allegedly running Windows Phone 7 Series hit the net. We were quick to debunk it here, with our reasoning being that the HD2 lacked the mandatory search key. Sure enough: Microsoft’s GM of Mobile Communications in the Asia-Pacific, Natasha Kwan, says the HD2 won’t be getting the upgrade “because it doesn’t have the three buttons”.
Of course, this just means that they won’t be getting the upgrade treatment from Microsoft. As we mentioned above, there’s probably a mighty army of hackers just waiting to get their hands on Windows Phone ROMs for the sake of down-porting it to older handsets; if it’s feasible, it’ll probably happen.
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http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/03/01/windows-mobile-6-5-upgrade-windows-phone-7/
daam..now i'm becoming really the anti-microsoft..
and I never thought I would say that..not even after windows ME and Vista on pc..
how can they do this to us???
So they say just because there aint no search button..and there r to mush other buttons our phones wont get WP 7?
SO that means we (all HD2 users)just got f****d???dam..I spent alotta money not to change my phone in couple of month..since WM 6.5 is totally dead..
MS will change their mind
When all of us move to Android or stay with our HD2 another year at least, and many will buy the new iPhone, MS will realize what a fatal market research it is to force phone makers to a specific look (or buttons).
I am also reading they will not allow a layer of extra GUI like HTC sense to run on it, and want consistent look to all phones, regardless who is the maker. Unless they come up with an amazing GUI and themes , they can forget about me having WM7. I am more than happy with WM6.5 and HTC sense..
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BigE said:
When all of us move to Android or stay with our HD2 another year at least, and many will buy the new iPhone, MS will realize what a fatal market research it is to force phone makers to a specific look (or buttons).
I am also reading they will not allow a layer of extra GUI like HTC sense to run on it, and want consistent look to all phones, regardless who is the maker. Unless they come up with an amazing GUI and themes , they can forget about me having WM7. I am more than happy with WM6.5 and HTC sense..
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I abhor statements like this from the above poster
MS will realize the error of their ways. SURPRISE! Several users that were once wm have already moved to android and apple since 2007. Hence the campaign to revitalize the operating system. Its already been happening and if you think it can get worse for microsoft mobile after announcing wp7 to which many have said it is impressive, you are deluding yourself.
Fact remains
Google looks like vomit before htc sense, people bought google in droves. Apple has shiny buttons, people bought it in droves. I fail to see your logic from an economic standpoint beyond baseless fanboyism (dont misunderstand I am a die hard windows mobile faithful as well). People somehow buy seemingly restricted crap because of how it is marketed. Time and time again this has been proven...
so what you don't buy wp7 device...and if 100 people buy it over you, no one is really going to care if you don't buy it =)
imauser said:
can u find the official microsoft statement and give s a link here??
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Are you kidding? The internet is full of official Microsoft statements. Just a simple Google search will very likely link you to all of those sites.
Max_Terrible said:
Are you kidding? The internet is full of official Microsoft statements. Just a simple Google search will very likely link you to all of those sites.
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actually u should read my post below this one..
imauser said:
actually u should read my post below this one..
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Sorry man. Sometimes I tend to just read posts and not check whom made the post. My bad
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Sorry man. Sometimes I tend to just read posts and not check whom made the post. My bad
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thats alright friend
but the thing is really frustrating that MS does this to its loyal clients..
plus they said they do it to offer a better experience of using WP7..this is dam ridicules..I mean alright..for better exp new phones based on WP7 should have only 3 buttons..but Y it should mean that sum recent WM 6.5 phone be out of game..
personally Im cool with WM..this is a great OS(especially on Leo)..the only problem..that we aint gettin no new content(the most important for me is decent games)..
I *think* i read somewhere that MS was going to use both OS's. 7 for the ooooo and aahhh factor and 6.5 for the more business oriented side of it because the 7 series supposedly won't run any application from the previous generation.
Waiting game.
yes, that IS what they SAID, but their actions proved otherwise IMHO when they removed smart-device development from VS2010.
This is like them saying "we still support windows XP for the business user but have decided to withdraw XP-compatible app development from all of our coding products"
So I'm curious. I keep hearing that Microsoft made the announcement that the HD2 won't be getting WP7 upgrades, but does that mean that xda developers can't hack the ROM to work with WP7? I guess my question is whether the HD2 meets the minimum system requirements of WP7. The ones that I saw only left a few things in question.
For example, I know that the HD2 is multi-touch capable but the WP7 requirements stated that it needed to be capable of four simultaneous points of contact. Can the HD2 do more than two?
Also, the WP7 requirements spoke of something like 8GB of a storage capacity, which even the US version only has 1GB. Does the MicroSD not count?
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So I'm curious. I keep hearing that Microsoft made the announcement that the HD2 won't be getting WP7 upgrades, but does that mean that xda developers can't hack the ROM to work with WP7? I guess my question is whether the HD2 meets the minimum system requirements of WP7. The ones that I saw only left a few things in question.
For example, I know that the HD2 is multi-touch capable but the WP7 requirements stated that it needed to be capable of four simultaneous points of contact. Can the HD2 do more than two?
Also, the WP7 requirements spoke of something like 8GB of a storage capacity, which even the US version only has 1GB. Does the MicroSD not count?
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Dun worry, the chefs at XDA are notorious for making ROMs not made for that particular device.
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I know that the HD2 is multi-touch capable but the WP7 requirements stated that it needed to be capable of four simultaneous points of contact. Can the HD2 do more than two?
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I don't know this 100% for sure, but AFAIK the screen on the HD2 is capable of true multi-touch, as in - as many fingers as you can fit on it. The reason it's only currently capable of 2 point touch is because there aren't drivers available to handle more. The drivers that are currently available were adapated from the HTC drivers, which don't handle full multi-touch - just 2 point touch.
you can donate for WP7 porting for HD2 if you want:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=684346
There is one definitive reason, and one stupid reason the HD 2 won't be getting Windows Phone 7.
And it won't get it, officially. If Da_G manages to do it (and I have full faith in him that if it's possible, he'll make it so), it'll still be buggy as hell.
The Stupid = Too many buttons.
Yeah, it's bad. But MS has made a commitment to be standardized across it's platform, and I can't knock that. That's a really good idea. And besides, HTC has shown time and time again that it would rather just release a new phone with upgraded software, than stick to a device and provide it regular updates.
The Realistic = No hardware scaler on the graphics board.
One of the key ways that the Xbox and the WinPhone7 are going to be able to play the same games is by utilitzing a hardware scaler instead of processing the resolution difference sperately. I doubt the HD2 has one of those.
See the linked article http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/26/windows_phone_7_sales/
WP7 doesn't appear to be doing very well. So many people want this to fail it amazes me!
That's truly sad. I'm actually a bit disappointed with the advertisements from Microsoft. Sure, the ads are broad casted a lot but there aren't any catchy ones like the iPod silhouettes and what not. MS needs to step it up when it comes to appealing to consumers through ads otherwise it'll be hard to dent the Androids hold over the smartphone marketshare.
Same here in France, with this article from a famous french magazine LE POINT: "What's wrong with WP7" (google translation)
http://translate.google.fr/translat...-qui-cloche-22-11-2010-1265610_47.php&act=url
Articles underlines some missing features when readers in the comments mainly insist on:
- the fact that WP7 is too locked, especially compared to Android
- WP7 is not designed for business
I guess that if it doesn't do well, those of us who have a wp7 device are going to be part of a pretty exclusive club! Still there is time yet, if MS produce the updates which add the missing features that all the naysayers continually whinge about and go up a gear on their marketing campaign WP7 will fly - it is too good a product not to!
I don't have a magic boll but I think that all of this will change in a couple of months
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I guess that if it doesn't do well, those of us who have a wp7 device are going to be part of a pretty exclusive club! Still there is time yet, if MS produce the updates which add the missing features that all the naysayers continually whinge about and go up a gear on their marketing campaign WP7 will fly - it is too good a product not to!
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It is reported that MS is in it for the win. I can only believe such criticisms will spur MS on to ever higher efforts. I agree, too, that most of the criticisms are about the lacking features. This will change when those features are added. I know I love the system but almost gave up on it...I was livid actually...when I saw it didn't have common voice nav. The copy & paste and multitasking, I was aware of it not having. But the voice nav, I wasn't aware of. It rocked me badly. I can only imagine what the general, unknowing, public might be feeling about the system...without all of these features.
I think for the sole reason of creating the hd7 and not allowing a hd2 upgrade they deserve to fail.
HTC deserve to fail for their mediocre WP7 devices. MS doesnt, but sadly they are depending on these hardwaremanufaturers.
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HTC deserve to fail for their mediocre WP7 devices. MS doesnt, but sadly they are depending on these hardwaremanufaturers.
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please tell me what is wrong with my hd7 ?
The press has pretty much written off Microsoft as a whole already. They need somebody to bark at and somebody to adore, if they aren't opinionated nobody will read their stuff.
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I think for the sole reason of creating the hd7 and not allowing a hd2 upgrade they deserve to fail.
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the hd2 was never in line for it MS has always said that this is a stupid argument the hd7 may have similar specs but the hd7 is a vast improvment in design
Everyone is always bashing MS but that's not stopped them they new that the haters would come but so to are the updates and tbh if less ppl have one then the more ppl there are who will be amazed when they see mine
WP7 is too important for Microsoft for them to give up on it. It's their only mobile platform that ties all of their online services together. If they want to compete with Google WP7 has to succeed. Microsoft can't afford for to let everyone use an Android phone with cloud services and search services all going to Google.
For those that are worried about bad press remember people said the same thing about the xbox when it came out and it's been a success despite having a horrible track record with hardware failures.
WP7 is a long term strategy for Microsoft. Poor sales in the beginning is hardly anything to worry about it.
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the hd2 was never in line for it MS has always said that this is a stupid argument the hd7 may have similar specs but the hd7 is a vast improvment in design
Everyone is always bashing MS but that's not stopped them they new that the haters would come but so to are the updates and tbh if less ppl have one then the more ppl there are who will be amazed when they see mine
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vast improvement in design? how exactly? they moved a couple of buttons around!
There is no vast improvement in design but the simple answer is the hd2 doesn't meet the button requirements for WP7. There's no exceptions to the rules Microsoft has laid out.
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vast improvement in design? how exactly? they moved a couple of buttons around!
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please tell me what is wrong with my hd7 ?
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Maybe nothing wrong with yours, but I'm on my 4th one. The first one had data reception problems. The second one had dead pixels all over the screen and at the perfect angle you could see scuff marks on the screen. The third one had trash under the screen, on top of the actual LCD. There were tiny specks of something on it.
I always thought my HD2 was exceptional for quality, and it is. But I have not had fortune with HTC's latest offerings.
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Them again. And how many journalists are experts in anything?
The reports are just the typical anti-ms nonsense from the media...here in Canada it's hard to find the Samsung focus...the US launched with far fewer devices than demand.
MS is in for the long road...let's remember android for the first 2 years...
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The press has pretty much written off Microsoft as a whole already. They need somebody to bark at and somebody to adore, if they aren't opinionated nobody will read their stuff.
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It's getting to the stage where the Microsoft-bashing is beyond the joke.
Journos and many other people in the media are Apple supporters simply because it's the platform on which they create, design and produce their content. This is mostly due to the fact that Microsoft were years behind MacOS in regards to graphic design and publication software in the 90s. Apple is still deeply encroached, despite the fact that Windows has since caught up with, and arguably overtaken, Apple's ability in that industry.
However, the other 99% of the world is very happily using Microsoft products. I don't use Office because I have to; I use it because, to me, it's a damn sight better than any comparable product. I don't use Windows 7 because I have to; I use it because, to me, it's a damn sight better than MacOS or any other flavour of Unix / Linux. And I've started using Windows Phone 7 because, to me, it's a damn sight better than WM 6.5, Apple iOS, Android, Blackberry or any of the others out there at the moment.
You really just need two things for WP7 to succeed; it needs to be good, and it needs to be relentlessly promoted.
Microsoft have relentlessly promoted terrible products in the past, and they have naturally failed (case in point: Microsoft Bob). However, they relentlessly promoted XBOX for years as well, even when in the beginning it was a less-than-strong platform. But it's just as well they did, because now it's bloody brilliant and we have new technologies like Kinect to play with.
At the end of the day, the great news here is that WP7 is actually good; and since the WP7 platform is the future home of Microsoft's silverlight technology, and a main branch of their XBOX development, you can be sure as hell they will keep promoting it until it succeeds.
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I think for the sole reason of creating the hd7 and not allowing a hd2 upgrade they deserve to fail.
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That was a pretty crappy move, but that is more of an HTC crime, not MSFT.
The new WP7 is a good platform, but only in some ways.
MS does make a 'brand-new' OS, however, since its launch, there are these 2 questions from the consumers:
1) From the current iOS and Android users: 'Its functions is almost the same, but my phone(iphone) display is much prettier and more apps, why should I change?'
2) From the current WM users: 'Geez, lots of functions that we like are now gone, no file explorer, no tethering, no mass storage mode, no copy&paste, can't remove storage-card, have to have a live-ID, etc etc.... I might as well just wait til the first update and see....'
The phone manufacturers has invested tons of money to make up phones for WM7, however, the response from the market is nothing close to expectation, if there's no breakthrough on the up coming update from MS, manufacturers like HTC and samsung might also hold on to the WM7 platform too.
To write off a product, you don't need the press, or experts, the consumer market does.
This alliance between Nokia and Microsoft is very very controversal for the geeks. Some of the things you may hear
-Fail. They shouldve stuck with Meego and Symbian.
-Fail. Nokia was failing anyway and this could not make their situation any worse
-Fail. Microsoft is not trustworthy and will only end up screwing Nokia
-Fail. Microsoft will lose other OEM supports because of Nokia getting special treatment
-Win. Nokia's hardware +Microsoft's software= <3 (See WP7 powered concept!)
-Win. Microsoft needed a truly dedicated OEM
-Win. New features will come from this such as intergrated marketplace and ovi maps.
-Win. Nokia will help influence Microsoft's WP7, additionally Nokia is given huge privilages to change any WP7 powered Nokia devices.
Reason?
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Really, I think Nokia wouldn't have had to gone this route if they didn't sit on their asses with MeeGo/Maemo.
Consider also they had S40, S60, Symbian^3, MeeGo, Maemo. If they had cut that down to one or two platforms and focused on supporting those two platforms extremely well, Nokia might not have been in as much trouble as they are now.
As far as the partnership goes, I have a feeling that Microsoft is going to eventually consume Nokia's soul.
Definitely a win. Nokia will prompt the other handset makers to improve their quality. And there is a higher grade of choice, as well.
Total win for Microsoft. Incredible. Big risk for Nokia as it abandons all other OS's and just goes with WP7. If they fail, Nokia's gone. What I find most amazing is it's a one way street. Microsoft gives up nothing, but gains a lot. Nokia gives up all other OS's in favour of WP7 which hasn't exactly been a huge success. The benefit is of course slashing cost, R&D, staff, managers of Symbian. Layoffs will be massive. According to Elop Nokia also gains access to an ecosystem. Don't know what that is worth.
Elop was a sleeper for Microsoft
This was planned years ago.
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Definitely a win. Nokia will prompt the other handset makers to improve their quality. And there is a higher grade of choice, as well.
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That's definitely correct.
Win-Win
Nokia was going nowhere but down. They had to make a move. Better to sacrifice some pride and get help than die.
With Android, they'd just be another handset maker. If they achieved any success, it would be more about Andoid than about Nokia.
With WP7, Nokia gets to be a core player in trying to build a contender. If they reach success, many will say that MS owes alot of its success to Nokia. Nokia will be seen as a major player with its own identity.
Win everyone I know that's had a play with metro ui love it, this with Nokia high quality but low priced handsets are a winner.a lot of the non geeks out there and there's actually alot more of them out there than geeks if asked would still rank Nokia higher than htc and samsung
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-Fail. Microsoft is not trustworthy and will only end up screwing Nokia
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complete fail for nokia. microsoft will use this to kill off symbian completely, mark my words. then, if nokia doesn't do everything exactly at microsoft says, they will kill nokia off and sell the parts that are still profitable.
what a shame, nokia makes some AWESOME phones.
the nokia forums are buzzing about never buying again.
the symbian forums are buzzing about never developing for microsoft, in any capacity.
oh well, nice knowing you nokia.
microsoft can't kill off symbian. It's open source. Nokia was largely involved in the development of it. But they don't own it.
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microsoft can't kill off symbian. It's open source. Nokia was largely involved in the development of it. But they don't own it.
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forked trees never die, ok.
what about nokia ?
Nokia will be pushing their smartphones with Windows Phone OS on it. They are still doing symbian for their other phones, but seriously, how can anyone say this is a fail?
I'm sure with Microsoft and Nokia exclusivity, this cannot hurt anybody. Once Nokia has a few phones with Windows on it, then imagine how many more developers will jump on board to access a worldwide audience.
This is going to be awesome, I've always loved the Nokia phones (hardware aspect), but the software was a joke.
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Total win for Microsoft. Incredible. Big risk for Nokia as it abandons all other OS's and just goes with WP7. If they fail, Nokia's gone. What I find most amazing is it's a one way street. Microsoft gives up nothing, but gains a lot. Nokia gives up all other OS's in favour of WP7 which hasn't exactly been a huge success. The benefit is of course slashing cost, R&D, staff, managers of Symbian. Layoffs will be massive. According to Elop Nokia also gains access to an ecosystem. Don't know what that is worth.
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who said nokia is giving up all other OS's???
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complete fail for nokia. microsoft will use this to kill off symbian completely, mark my words. then, if nokia doesn't do everything exactly at microsoft says, they will kill nokia off and sell the parts that are still profitable.
what a shame, nokia makes some AWESOME phones.
the nokia forums are buzzing about never buying again.
the symbian forums are buzzing about never developing for microsoft, in any capacity.
oh well, nice knowing you nokia.
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How would MS kill off nokia? I don't think you realize how big a company nokia is and MS hasn't bought them, just partnered with them...
Its sort of a free purchase. Or a silent take over. Its game over Nokia.
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who said nokia is giving up all other OS's???
How would MS kill off nokia? I don't think you realize how big a company nokia is and MS hasn't bought them, just partnered with them...
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Yeah with Microsoft's execs popping out here and there in Nokia high echelons it is not a clear sign of what is going to happen.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/12/nokia-usa-president-is-out-replaced-by-microsoft-vet-chris-webe/
Win. Nokia was bad at writing Operating Systems, but some of their software and services are extremely good. Free Turn by Turn Navigation with OFFLINE Maps for Windows Phone 7? Nokia can help WP7 improve on the business side, as well, and there may be technology that Nokia is willing to share with Microsoft form Symbian - which does have lots of good things in it.
This sounds very much like a two-way partnership.
seriously? haters... but they have clearly no clue what they are talking about.
this is a mega big win-win situation.
actually it is one major step forward into the future.
it is as big as IF steve jobs wouldnt had refused to talk to bill gates at the first apple computer presentation.
watch the movie Pirates Of Silicon Valley to understand what im talking about.
hell its like apple and microsoft would partner up, but even better.
i think most dont see wp7 as what it really is.
its the future mobile phone os.
yes iphone has alot of apps, so does osx... but how many apps does windows have? and lets not talk about the games sector..... windows/xbox vs what? iphone? even sony will make games for wp7 with their mobile system.... yes iphone maybe too but.. lets see....
wp7 is very much advanced over the first iphone OS
and thats who you have to compare it with.
you cant compare it with iphone 4 only because its running on almost the same hardware specs. you have to compare it to the first iphone.
wp7 is already now more accurate, faster and better looking.
its still in development.
and i belive i know why dev's dont have access to all features now.
its actually kinda simple.
you write a programm and want people to contribute with their own writings.
now if you give them access to all parts too early, when you cannot make sure that their programming wont break anything inside your programm which could make it unuseable forever. lets say a crazy backdoor. the dev's will get all the stuff that is availible on iphone these days, and more. but their have to make sure everything is working bevor they can allow you to do it.....
all thats left to say is take a look at this nokia morph presentation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKihhDC7-bI
now what os might run on it?
"morph isnt a product you can buy tomorrorw, but it isnt science-fiction either"
i think yesterday engadget announced a big breaktru in nanoprocessors
count 1+1 , welcome to the future , its 2011
one more research video on the morph, awesome
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LML7A9pdNM
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Elop did. Did you watch the presentation live? I did. Elop said they will migrate WP down to the cheaper phones and phase Symbian out (so that's one OS), cancel any competing activity in the MeeGo OS (2nd) and use learning from MeeGo to adapt the WP platform, and use any exprience from the project to create "future disruption" in terms of OS's, but that's far out ahead in terms of time, and he was extremely clear that Nokia will not spend any more on MeeGo. So you tell me, which "other OS's" did he mention that they will spend time or money on? You may be able to find a recording of the webcast online at Nokia.com if you don't believe me.
BTW, @webwalk, if you suggested I'm a Microsoft "hater," sorry wrong ass umption. I've got a MS computer, and I'm using the old WM OS in my current mobile device out of choice.
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I love the fact that Nokia and MS are working together , but what I don't like is that Nokia is allowed to change wp7 the way they like
this are the first signs of fragmentation , the one thing we don't want is that.
http://www.osnews.com/story/25480/Microsoft_To_Acquire_Nokia_s_Smartphone_Division_
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Microsoft To Acquire Nokia's Smartphone Division? posted by Thom Holwerda on Thu 5th Jan 2012 11:25 UTC This rumour is not new, nor is it particularly earth-shattering. However, with Windows Phone 7 failing to make a dent in the market place, and Nokia's Lumia 800 not making huge waves either, the rumour's been taken out of the shed again: Microsoft is supposedly acquiring Nokia's smartphone division later this year. Stephen Elop will resign from Nokia shortly afterwards.
This time around, the rumour's being rekindled by Eldar Murtazin, the Russian editor-in-chief of Mobile-Review.com. He has a pretty good track record regarding Nokia, and has often had very, very early access to device prototypes and other information. However, as always, a firm pile of salt should be readily available at all times when reading this.
"Steve Balmer, Andy Lees and Stephen Elop, Kai Ostamo will meet in Las Vegas to finalize agreement about Nokia smartphone unit," he tweeted. The deal is apparently so that Microsoft also gets a few manufacturing plants, and, of course, an extensive patent portfolio. The Nokia name is set to disappear from the Microsoft smartphones that would follow from this acquisition.
It would leave Nokia with its feature phone business, networking equipment, and an assortment of other activities. While many think this would mean the end of Nokia, I highly doubt it will be - the company is 140 years old, has survived multiple crises and product transitions (they started out as a paper company, after all). Nokia will survive, even without smartphones, but that doesn't make it any less tragic.
This deal certainly wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. It's becoming ever more clear that all those naysayers were right, back when the Microsoft-Nokia deal was announced. Stephen Elop is a mole, with only one goal: to drive Nokia into the ground, so that Microsoft can swoop in and acquire the interesting parts for a relatively low price. The N9 demonstrated that Nokia did have an option besides the failing Windows Phone 7, and that the deal with Microsoft wasn't a necessity at all.
We'll have to see how it all pans out over the course of 2012, but this doesn't seem like a crazy prediction. Sad.
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Patent mongering ?
Company absorbtion ?
Apple-like hardware control ?
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wouldn't be surprising. Symbian still the most used smartphone OS, I just don't understand why the company didn't improve, and update it. They killed the proven Symbian OS ,for a unproven unpopular OS that they have no control over.
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It won't surprise me either.
My 2 years old Symbian nokia, can do at least everything my WP7 can do, + even much more things.
the only problema is the screen-res thats 320x240.
Nokia went from actually good OS with no future, to an actually bad OS, with a very doubt future.
Eh, last I checked the lumia 800 series was doing great in Europe...
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Eh, last I checked the lumia 800 series was doing great in Europe...
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If you have a link to official sales numbers, please post. I've read a lot of speculation on both +/- for sales over there, but no official numbers.
Either way, I'm second guessing microsofts intentions, if any.
I started ignoring anything Eldar Murtazin says a long time ago
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If you have a link to official sales numbers, please post. I've read a lot of speculation on both +/- for sales over there, but no official numbers.
Either way, I'm second guessing microsofts intentions, if any.
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Strangely the same request for confirmation doesnt seem to be made when the talk is of low WP7 sales, just accepted as the truth.
Anyway, Nokia has denied it, update at the botttom of this story: http://www.slashgear.com/microsofts-nokia-smartphone-division-acquisition-tipped-imminent-05206304/
The rumor may or may not be true (and it most likely is not), but public denials are not now, nor have they ever been, proof that an acquisition is not imminent. I have worked for numerous companies that have been acquired, and in every case, right up until the day the acquisition was officially announced, the companies that I worked for denied the "rumors". That is just standard business practice to avoid too much market volatility.
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Strangely the same request for confirmation doesnt seem to be made when the talk is of low WP7 sales, just accepted as the truth.
Anyway, Nokia has denied it, update at the botttom of this story: http://www.slashgear.com/microsofts-nokia-smartphone-division-acquisition-tipped-imminent-05206304/
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yep the truth is still tied up somewhere... apple loves to flaunt 4 million sales in a weekend, android 500,000+ activations a day... and microsoft, balmer only says that sales were less than expected. not much to go on. :-(
you mentioned the update, her's the text:
Update: Nokia UK has given us the following comment:
“We’ve put these rumours to rest a long time ago. The focus for Nokia is on executing on our partnership around Windows Phone and growing the ecosystem, and each company has the tools they need to do so”
yes, that sounds like the normal corporate-speak for "we don't want insider trading or speculations hurting our stocks" as normal.
still waiting on official numbers, and apparently waiting a little longer for a possible aquisition.
It would be awesome if MS could have their own branded phones like Apple.
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It would be awesome if MS could have their own branded phones like Apple.
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Well that would upset HTC, Samsung etc. and also take all the Nokia-coolness away from the phones.
slimshady322 said:
Well that would upset HTC, Samsung etc. and also take all the Nokia-coolness away from the phones.
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posted before I did
the nokia venture is ultimately a bad idea especially if it is relegated to the dumb phone scene
vetvito said:
wouldn't be surprising. Symbian still the most used smartphone OS, I just don't understand why the company didn't improve, and update it. They killed the proven Symbian OS ,for a unproven unpopular OS that they have no control over.
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You would say that.
Where again where Symbian sales heading for Nokia? They were bleeding marketshare. The writing was on the wall for Symbian. Argue that Nokia should have gone to Android, but not that they should not have stuck with Symbian.
Symbian was not going anywhere positive. The overhead of making your own software has exponential penalties when you are losing sales. The app catalogue was not progressing. Now instead of slowly dying like RIM, Nokia made a gamble. Microsoft could provide them with some perks that the open source world of Android could not.
Now, just like I see a conflict of interest with Google owning Motorola, I see a problem with Microsoft owning Nokia. But maybe they can spin it like Google did -
"We did this to protect the ecosystem. Motorola will operate separately. Don't be worried."
nokia showed an overall growth w/ symbian last year
isn't that extremely positive for a sinking ship
And it is still number one in terms of international handset maker even if samsung is closing in really fast
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You would say that.
Where again where Symbian sales heading for Nokia? They were bleeding marketshare. The writing was on the wall for Symbian. Argue that Nokia should have gone to Android, but not that they should not have stuck with Symbian.
Symbian was not going anywhere positive. The overhead of making your own software has exponential penalties when you are losing sales. The app catalogue was not progressing. Now instead of slowly dying like RIM, Nokia made a gamble. Microsoft could provide them with some perks that the open source world of Android could not.
Now, just like I see a conflict of interest with Google owning Motorola, I see a problem with Microsoft owning Nokia. But maybe they can spin it like Google did -
"We did this to protect the ecosystem. Motorola will operate separately. Don't be worried."
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Selective reading? You miss the part where I said "improve". All they had to do was update.
You do know Symbian still outsells Win phone, don't you?
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Saying all Nokia had to do is improve Symbian is kind of like saying all Microsoft needed to do to compete with the iPhone was to improve Windows Mobile
Anyway, it looks like the market and analysts are now expecting good things from Nokia. Hopefully they are right
technically speaking, winphone is a improvement of WM. Unless you're not thinking logically.
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Selective reading? You miss the part where I said "improve". All they had to do was update.
You do know Symbian still outsells Win phone, don't you?
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I did not selectively read. Because improving it oh so easy. The OS was flat not not attractive. Symbian Anna and Belle are improvements but its nowhere near Android.
Your product is crap. Just improve it.
Last numbers I saw Symbian was still the #1 OS in certain markets. That because Nokia puts Symbian on near everything. Have you owned any Symbian phones? I have. Remember Nokia's share used to be 40%. Last number I saw was in the 20s. Why? Smartphone explosion.
Symbian was sinking and taking Nokia with them. Fact.
So you ditch it, and still sink? Meego was a great alternative, all I'm saying is don't foolishly put all your eggs in one basket.
Symbian, Meego, and Winphone couldve helped Nokia.
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So you ditch it, and still sink? Meego was a great alternative, all I'm saying is don't foolishly put all your eggs in one basket.
Symbian, Meego, and Winphone couldve helped Nokia.
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What about the expenses and overheads of the company? What about the business aspect of that decision? Nokia's problem was they had too many OSes.
Symbian S40, S60 5th edition, Symbian UIQ, S^3, Meego, Maemo. And a partridge in a pear tree.
But in a btw, since 'killing off" Symbian, they have released updates and new phones using Symbian. Maybe there is a place for Symbian like there is a place for Bada and Brew.
Vet, you obvious do not like Windows Phone. At all. But Symbian was a dead end. And Meego? Cmon. They are not getting to 50,000 apps in under a year with Meego. The only valid argument I can understand is Nokia should have ditched Symbian for Android.
The wp forum is marketshare centric.
What benefits, as an end user, do you expect to personally benefit from if it ever reaches 4%, 10%, or 51% of the market?
Realistic, on topic answers only please. This will not be an android, iPhone, or RIM bashing thread.
I would say dev support, if they see that the platform has a big or growing install base, they would be more interested in makimg apps, games, exclusives etc for it thus customer winning with new goodies with their devices and developers making more money die to more potential customers
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The wp forum is marketshare centric.
What benefits, as an end user, do you expect to personally benefit from if it ever reaches 4%, 10%, or 51% of the market?
Realistic, on topic answers only please. This will not be an android, iPhone, or RIM bashing thread.
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Actually today Kantar reported as of mid april WP marketshare for the US is at 4%, for Germany is 6% for the UK, France and Italy is also around 4%. I would imagine by the end of may these figures will be higher.
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The wp forum is marketshare centric.
What benefits, as an end user, do you expect to personally benefit from if it ever reaches 4%, 10%, or 51% of the market?
Realistic, on topic answers only please. This will not be an android, iPhone, or RIM bashing thread.
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Honestly I think that a platform can be considered "healthy" for a developer to work on if it's at least relevant on the market. WP users tend to pay for the apps, so we don't need a huge marketshare to get some traction. A 10% would be a nice target, it would show that the user base is alive and well and at that point nearly all of the major app names would be here. Maybe it won't still be enough for every big game developer to consider the investment worth it tho, because high end games are the apps taking most work and cash to develop: for example, Real Racing 2 for iOS took 2 million dollars to develop, nobody would have spent that much without knowing that he could have earned much more than that by actually selling the game to a lot of people.
IMHO if sales figures are right we can make it to 10% before the end of the year. That wouldn't change everything, but it would definitely force people to see WP7 as a serious competitor.
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IMHO if sales figures are right we can make it to 10% before the end of the year. That wouldn't change everything, but it would definitely force people to see WP7 as a serious competitor.
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I really doubt that, things are not looking good
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I really doubt that, things are not looking good
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Plat...ins-bada-outgrows-Windows-Phone-again_id30215
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I just stumbled upon this...doesn't look that bad after all, if the figure doesn't include WinMo.
http://www.wpcentral.com/windows-ph...le-us-passing-rim-according-kantar-worldpanel
So, how will you personally benefit, if X amount of sales are reached ?
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So, how will you personally benefit, if X amount of sales are reached ?
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More support. Cheaper support. Cell phones are no different than any other product. If you have a larger install base it attracts more people to support the product and competition drives down prices. A bigger install base means more apps and better apps. As has been stated numerous times too many WP apps feel like ports. They do not feel like they were written from the ground up to aggressively take advantage of the Metro UI.
Also there will be more COMPATIBLE accessories. With the iphone people are falling all over themselves to make compatible headphones and stereo docs.
The benefits of a larger install base are obvious.
Other benefits:
* More new phone models. Nokia is doing a good job, but if WP7 doesn't gain marketshare they'll be hurting badly and nobody else will bother to make WP7 phones at all.
* Carriers offering more phones. Carriers try to sell what people want to buy. If people want to buy WP7, then carriers will put more effort into offering WP7 phones.
* Better support for the phones. Too often, if people have a problem with something and they're on WP7, none of the support people can help because they only support iOS and Android (maybe Blackberry).
* Better support for the browser. There are a lot of sites that either don't recognie the WP7 browser at all, or server really crappy HTML to it that would have been suitable for the ****ty IE on WinMo phones.
* More investment from Microsoft. They're pushing it pretty hard right now, but MS is a public company and is driven by profit. If WP7 doesn't make them lots of money then they'll reduce effort on it, which means fewer / lower-quality updates and possibly an abandoned platform.
There's more (Marketplace apps, etc.), but this thread is quite long enough. Yes, marketshare matters
the more marketshare the more profit the producer has, in the end more money to spend on the thing that's produced. in fact of OS, the more money WP7 get in with more marketshare, the more their owner (Microsoft) has confidence and puts money in it and the OS grows, get better, is more worth and so on... that's economy
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if amount x is reached the company in this case Microsoft has more room to play with the patents and can sold maybe the OS for maybe 2$ or 3$ each device, instead of 4 or 5 or 10$ that would be good for companies like Samsung, HTC, Acer, they can produce better de'vices, the cost of an device would drop in fact of production, we as users dont see this change in price, but we would get better quality devices, like Nokia does now. Microsoft pays them about 1 bil $ each year to have WP on their devices, and they produce high quality devices i think of the materials not the specs. all is high quality. this device will live long customers would be satisfied and happy! that's what we in the end feel and see. Or they dont have to lower the price of the OS, they can help in other way other companies to achieve the amount x.
I think that marketshare and marketplace numbers are very important to the viability and growth of the platform. You simply have to look at iPhone and Android to see why every developer is working with them. they have the Market share.
It doesn't matter how many of the apps floating through their individual market stores are actual apps and the emergence of malware and virus'. It's about the numbers. It's about marketing and I honestly believe that MS really dropped the ball when they began to market WP and walked away from WM. I've been a widows user for many years since my 1st PDA and felt slighted to a degree when I found out that all my programs I'd bought and used over the years were worthless and unusable with the next new Windows OS.
MS turned out a new OS that had no real market support for it. The previous developers turned away and began focusing more on the larger markets and really haven't looked back. Once the numbers start showing that it's worth their time/money to develop for this new OS then they will be back.
Numbers are very important.
Dinchy87 said:
the more marketshare the more profit the producer has, in the end more money to spend on the thing that's produced. in fact of OS, the more money WP7 get in with more marketshare, the more their owner (Microsoft) has confidence and puts money in it and the OS grows, get better, is more worth and so on... that's economy
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if amount x is reached the company in this case Microsoft has more room to play with the patents and can sold maybe the OS for maybe 2$ or 3$ each device, instead of 4 or 5 or 10$ that would be good for companies like Samsung, HTC, Acer, they can produce better de'vices, the cost of an device would drop in fact of production, we as users dont see this change in price, but we would get better quality devices, like Nokia does now. Microsoft pays them about 1 bil $ each year to have WP on their devices, and they produce high quality devices i think of the materials not the specs. all is high quality. this device will live long customers would be satisfied and happy! that's what we in the end feel and see. Or they dont have to lower the price of the OS, they can help in other way other companies to achieve the amount x.
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So how will you personnaly benefit ?
JohnMcD348 said:
I think that marketshare and marketplace numbers are very important to the viability and growth of the platform. You simply have to look at iPhone and Android to see why every developer is working with them. they have the Market share.
It doesn't matter how many of the apps floating through their individual market stores are actual apps and the emergence of malware and virus'. It's about the numbers. It's about marketing and I honestly believe that MS really dropped the ball when they began to market WP and walked away from WM. I've been a widows user for many years since my 1st PDA and felt slighted to a degree when I found out that all my programs I'd bought and used over the years were worthless and unusable with the next new Windows OS.
MS turned out a new OS that had no real market support for it. The previous developers turned away and began focusing more on the larger markets and really haven't looked back. Once the numbers start showing that it's worth their time/money to develop for this new OS then they will be back.
Numbers are very important.
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Ya, we know numbers matter, but original topic : how will you personally benefit ? Not corporations, not wall street, just you.
ohgood said:
So how will you personnaly benefit ?
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To put it in the shortest form: you get more and better apps, more and better phones. That's how I see it.
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I will probably come off as an overly sensitive WP defender so bear with me...
When you say the WP forum is marketshare centric what exactly does that mean? If you mean people come in and constantly ask for numbers and make fun at its low marketshare then we agree.
Nothing seems stranger to me than you posting this. My paranoid self is telling me you are baiting us. Maybe I should not be so paranoid.
Is marketshare important is like asking about a tree falling in a forest. Marketshare is a function of sales. Sales are a function of profits. Profits keep businesses in business. If you like the product and what the business has to offer then you need them to get sales to more than just yourself and your best buddy. The answer seems very trivial.
If I like Windows Phone and I want it to continue to progress and be supported then I need other people to buy Windows Phones.
However, in the case of iOS vs Android that is just bragging rights. People feel justified when the product they love is loved by others. The image we have of ourselves is a reflection of our society. We are guppies.
Now what are you really asking?
ohgood said:
So how will you personnaly benefit ?
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like i said before, you get from that better position i which is your company a better device for lower funds. more support because of more money to spend on support. i had a situation with HTC on my HTC 7 pro some months ago, the back cover has a color on it, some silver on metal. but the silver paint is going of, i contacted HTc in the UK, and im from Bosnia and Hercegovina, i get two new back covers for 0€! thats where marketshare says something to the customer.
Just think of the situation that would happen with a low budget ZTE china windows phone, or with an lets say even more budget phone. they dont contact you, never! they would not even answer your email! that where marketshare comes in. same with iOS, people love them because you have a company which responds to your device you bought from them. if something is not right you get a new device or yours get repaired. thats not the situation with companies that dont have marketshare! little companies i think. they would not give you such support like Windows Phone gives me today, or iOS gives to their device owners.
and in the end, the more marketshare the company from which you have your device has, the better device comes the next time with more satisfaction for us. with more marketshare, more money for the company, more money to spend to satisfy their customer. and dont get what you else would mean?
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ohgood said:
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vnvman said:
To put it in the shortest form: you get more and better apps, more and better phones. That's how I see it.
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right. thats what i said before but he askes again how i benefit thats our benefit, they have more money to spend to get newer things in our devices in the future, more satisfaction for us!
How will I benefit? Not at all since I don't own any shares of MSFT. Would I like it? Sure. I have grown to really enjoy WP7 but I've been a smartphone user since the heady days of the first Treos. Which means I've already been through a few OS's and have had to adapt to whatever suits me at the time. My favorite OS has always been webOS because of its simplicity, multi-tasking and gestures. But it was severely lacking in some areas. Windows Mobile was the absolute most functional OS ever. It could do things that you still can't do with RIM, Android, iOS or WP7 like network file sharing, network printing without any client-based software, remote desktop baked in, and a host of other capabilities. Along with all this largesse came the problems we all know and dreaded: random resets, freezes, looping, etc.
That is the problem facing MS right now, from a marketing standpoint. I don't know the inner workings of the MS marketing department but my hunch is that they're intentionally spoon-feeding WP7 for the early adopters to get a good feel for the OS and rant & rave on forums like this. The stigma of Windows Mobile has to be shaken and the general public is not the best choice to have as developmental engineers. We are. Now that Nokia has been able to mount a serious campaign in the marketplace, people are starting to notice. To rip a page from Oldsmobile, "this is not your father's Windows". OK, so I just showed my age but you get the point.
Going forward I believe MS will have success with Windows Phone. HP has always catered to the enterprise crowd and they've made no bones about the fact that they're going forward with Windows 8 tablets and you know that a suitable phone to integrate with it is not far behind. Maybe not from HP, but MS will make sure that Apollo integrates with W8 and W8RT. Bank on it. From there it's going to be about getting the spouse to try the shiny new toy and telling someone. MS is in it for the long-haul and I don't expect overnight results. It's gonna take time for everybody to get that bitter taste of WM out of their palates.
nicksti said:
I will probably come off as an overly sensitive WP defender so bear with me...
When you say the WP forum is marketshare centric what exactly does that mean? If you mean people come in and constantly ask for numbers and make fun at its low marketshare then we agree.
Nothing seems stranger to me than you posting this. My paranoid self is telling me you are baiting us. Maybe I should not be so paranoid.
Is marketshare important is like asking about a tree falling in a forest. Marketshare is a function of sales. Sales are a function of profits. Profits keep businesses in business. If you like the product and what the business has to offer then you need them to get sales to more than just yourself and your best buddy. The answer seems very trivial.
If I like Windows Phone and I want it to continue to progress and be supported then I need other people to buy Windows Phones.
However, in the case of iOS vs Android that is just bragging rights. People feel justified when the product they love is loved by others. The image we have of ourselves is a reflection of our society. We are guppies.
Now what are you really asking?
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Its in the first post.
fatclue said:
How will I benefit? Not at all since I don't own any shares of MSFT. Would I like it? Sure. I have grown to really enjoy WP7 but I've been a smartphone user since the heady days of....
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Well, ok.
I thought it would be a fairly easy question to answer. Guess its harder to do than some history lessons of personal preferences and hopes of things to come.
Here, I'll share mine as an example:
More marketshare would mean microsoft acted on clues of what the market wanted, or needed. I would personally benefit by more applications and better applications being developed to provide a healthy competition to ios and android. Their efforts to outpace each others developements would yield a larger field of better, even more specialized applications that work for -me-.
Too general ?
Ok, I'm going to benefit directly from the competition that microsoft -could- put to ios/android, and make me happier.
There is no trolling, baiting, or expectations other than each users personal view. Its just a question.
More marketshare would mean microsoft acted on clues of what the market wanted, or needed. I would personally benefit by more applications and better applications being developed to provide a healthy competition to ios and android. Their efforts to outpace each others developements would yield a larger field of better, even more specialized applications that work for -me-.
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Not so fast. I'm sure the market doesn't want,or need, 10,000 flashlight apps. I'm quite sure the market wants one, or two, that WORK. You and I could always benefit from better apps, there's no argument there. But I'm sure you'll agree that searching each OS's marketplace for a particular app and having to dig through countless repeats of the same garbage is a waste of time. I'm all for choice, but not at the expense of overlooking some quality apps because I just got tired of seeing the same worthless app after worthless app and settling for something that doesn't fit my needs. Maybe I was too simplistic in my earlier post but I still believe that MS has to hone in on quality, not quantity, to make a dent in the market. It isn't a coincidence that MS issued a rigid set of requirements to the OEM's if they want to play. I firmly believe they want to get this right and let's face it, MS has the deep pockets to go with baby steps.