This alliance between Nokia and Microsoft is very very controversal for the geeks. Some of the things you may hear
-Fail. They shouldve stuck with Meego and Symbian.
-Fail. Nokia was failing anyway and this could not make their situation any worse
-Fail. Microsoft is not trustworthy and will only end up screwing Nokia
-Fail. Microsoft will lose other OEM supports because of Nokia getting special treatment
-Win. Nokia's hardware +Microsoft's software= <3 (See WP7 powered concept!)
-Win. Microsoft needed a truly dedicated OEM
-Win. New features will come from this such as intergrated marketplace and ovi maps.
-Win. Nokia will help influence Microsoft's WP7, additionally Nokia is given huge privilages to change any WP7 powered Nokia devices.
Reason?
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/exclusive-nokias-windows-phone-7-concept-revealed/
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Really, I think Nokia wouldn't have had to gone this route if they didn't sit on their asses with MeeGo/Maemo.
Consider also they had S40, S60, Symbian^3, MeeGo, Maemo. If they had cut that down to one or two platforms and focused on supporting those two platforms extremely well, Nokia might not have been in as much trouble as they are now.
As far as the partnership goes, I have a feeling that Microsoft is going to eventually consume Nokia's soul.
Definitely a win. Nokia will prompt the other handset makers to improve their quality. And there is a higher grade of choice, as well.
Total win for Microsoft. Incredible. Big risk for Nokia as it abandons all other OS's and just goes with WP7. If they fail, Nokia's gone. What I find most amazing is it's a one way street. Microsoft gives up nothing, but gains a lot. Nokia gives up all other OS's in favour of WP7 which hasn't exactly been a huge success. The benefit is of course slashing cost, R&D, staff, managers of Symbian. Layoffs will be massive. According to Elop Nokia also gains access to an ecosystem. Don't know what that is worth.
Elop was a sleeper for Microsoft
This was planned years ago.
MartyLK said:
Definitely a win. Nokia will prompt the other handset makers to improve their quality. And there is a higher grade of choice, as well.
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That's definitely correct.
Win-Win
Nokia was going nowhere but down. They had to make a move. Better to sacrifice some pride and get help than die.
With Android, they'd just be another handset maker. If they achieved any success, it would be more about Andoid than about Nokia.
With WP7, Nokia gets to be a core player in trying to build a contender. If they reach success, many will say that MS owes alot of its success to Nokia. Nokia will be seen as a major player with its own identity.
Win everyone I know that's had a play with metro ui love it, this with Nokia high quality but low priced handsets are a winner.a lot of the non geeks out there and there's actually alot more of them out there than geeks if asked would still rank Nokia higher than htc and samsung
Aerik said:
-Fail. Microsoft is not trustworthy and will only end up screwing Nokia
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complete fail for nokia. microsoft will use this to kill off symbian completely, mark my words. then, if nokia doesn't do everything exactly at microsoft says, they will kill nokia off and sell the parts that are still profitable.
what a shame, nokia makes some AWESOME phones.
the nokia forums are buzzing about never buying again.
the symbian forums are buzzing about never developing for microsoft, in any capacity.
oh well, nice knowing you nokia.
microsoft can't kill off symbian. It's open source. Nokia was largely involved in the development of it. But they don't own it.
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microsoft can't kill off symbian. It's open source. Nokia was largely involved in the development of it. But they don't own it.
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forked trees never die, ok.
what about nokia ?
Nokia will be pushing their smartphones with Windows Phone OS on it. They are still doing symbian for their other phones, but seriously, how can anyone say this is a fail?
I'm sure with Microsoft and Nokia exclusivity, this cannot hurt anybody. Once Nokia has a few phones with Windows on it, then imagine how many more developers will jump on board to access a worldwide audience.
This is going to be awesome, I've always loved the Nokia phones (hardware aspect), but the software was a joke.
Gadgety said:
Total win for Microsoft. Incredible. Big risk for Nokia as it abandons all other OS's and just goes with WP7. If they fail, Nokia's gone. What I find most amazing is it's a one way street. Microsoft gives up nothing, but gains a lot. Nokia gives up all other OS's in favour of WP7 which hasn't exactly been a huge success. The benefit is of course slashing cost, R&D, staff, managers of Symbian. Layoffs will be massive. According to Elop Nokia also gains access to an ecosystem. Don't know what that is worth.
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who said nokia is giving up all other OS's???
ohgood said:
complete fail for nokia. microsoft will use this to kill off symbian completely, mark my words. then, if nokia doesn't do everything exactly at microsoft says, they will kill nokia off and sell the parts that are still profitable.
what a shame, nokia makes some AWESOME phones.
the nokia forums are buzzing about never buying again.
the symbian forums are buzzing about never developing for microsoft, in any capacity.
oh well, nice knowing you nokia.
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How would MS kill off nokia? I don't think you realize how big a company nokia is and MS hasn't bought them, just partnered with them...
Its sort of a free purchase. Or a silent take over. Its game over Nokia.
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who said nokia is giving up all other OS's???
How would MS kill off nokia? I don't think you realize how big a company nokia is and MS hasn't bought them, just partnered with them...
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Yeah with Microsoft's execs popping out here and there in Nokia high echelons it is not a clear sign of what is going to happen.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/12/nokia-usa-president-is-out-replaced-by-microsoft-vet-chris-webe/
Win. Nokia was bad at writing Operating Systems, but some of their software and services are extremely good. Free Turn by Turn Navigation with OFFLINE Maps for Windows Phone 7? Nokia can help WP7 improve on the business side, as well, and there may be technology that Nokia is willing to share with Microsoft form Symbian - which does have lots of good things in it.
This sounds very much like a two-way partnership.
seriously? haters... but they have clearly no clue what they are talking about.
this is a mega big win-win situation.
actually it is one major step forward into the future.
it is as big as IF steve jobs wouldnt had refused to talk to bill gates at the first apple computer presentation.
watch the movie Pirates Of Silicon Valley to understand what im talking about.
hell its like apple and microsoft would partner up, but even better.
i think most dont see wp7 as what it really is.
its the future mobile phone os.
yes iphone has alot of apps, so does osx... but how many apps does windows have? and lets not talk about the games sector..... windows/xbox vs what? iphone? even sony will make games for wp7 with their mobile system.... yes iphone maybe too but.. lets see....
wp7 is very much advanced over the first iphone OS
and thats who you have to compare it with.
you cant compare it with iphone 4 only because its running on almost the same hardware specs. you have to compare it to the first iphone.
wp7 is already now more accurate, faster and better looking.
its still in development.
and i belive i know why dev's dont have access to all features now.
its actually kinda simple.
you write a programm and want people to contribute with their own writings.
now if you give them access to all parts too early, when you cannot make sure that their programming wont break anything inside your programm which could make it unuseable forever. lets say a crazy backdoor. the dev's will get all the stuff that is availible on iphone these days, and more. but their have to make sure everything is working bevor they can allow you to do it.....
all thats left to say is take a look at this nokia morph presentation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKihhDC7-bI
now what os might run on it?
"morph isnt a product you can buy tomorrorw, but it isnt science-fiction either"
i think yesterday engadget announced a big breaktru in nanoprocessors
count 1+1 , welcome to the future , its 2011
one more research video on the morph, awesome
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LML7A9pdNM
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who said nokia is giving up all other OS's???
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Elop did. Did you watch the presentation live? I did. Elop said they will migrate WP down to the cheaper phones and phase Symbian out (so that's one OS), cancel any competing activity in the MeeGo OS (2nd) and use learning from MeeGo to adapt the WP platform, and use any exprience from the project to create "future disruption" in terms of OS's, but that's far out ahead in terms of time, and he was extremely clear that Nokia will not spend any more on MeeGo. So you tell me, which "other OS's" did he mention that they will spend time or money on? You may be able to find a recording of the webcast online at Nokia.com if you don't believe me.
BTW, @webwalk, if you suggested I'm a Microsoft "hater," sorry wrong ass umption. I've got a MS computer, and I'm using the old WM OS in my current mobile device out of choice.
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I love the fact that Nokia and MS are working together , but what I don't like is that Nokia is allowed to change wp7 the way they like
this are the first signs of fragmentation , the one thing we don't want is that.
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Hi all ass google told me, there will be an unofficial update for hd2 but they still have problems with the grafic driver.
I may buy an Hd2 and i want to know your opinion about the graphic bug and if the Hd2 has enough sufficient hardware; 1Ghz cpu is MINIMUM requierement and in the video in youtube the os works really slow.
Thx
wait until its ready for the HD2 before you buy 1, because its no guarantee that it will work & if it does who knows if it will be able to download things from the marketplace
as far as graphic drivers if those arent up to par the whole UI will be pointless (laggy & choppy) to many unknowns to spend that much on a phone imo
I talked to HTC and T-mobile they expect the update mid to late june around the same time the Iphone 4g will be droppin...
sorry to say but they just fed you donkey balls =)
the only thing I have seen or even heard/downloaded is a new rom from htc and its still 6.5
it isn't 7 =/
Officially microsoft has repeatedly stated that no device will get the wp7 upgrade sadly...so take it as it were but that's the official word
Thx guys but with unofficial update i mean the russian guys who could get wp7 working on the hd2
domineus said:
sorry to say but they just fed you donkey balls =)
the only thing I have seen or even heard/downloaded is a new rom from htc and its still 6.5
it isn't 7 =/
Officially microsoft has repeatedly stated that no device will get the wp7 upgrade sadly...so take it as it were but that's the official word
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can u find the official microsoft statement and give s a link here??
well..I found this:
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Cue the sad trombone, folks. If you were waiting around with your Windows Mobile 6.5 device with hopes that Microsoft would one day bless it with a new chance at life in the form of Windows Phone 7, it’s time to move on.
APC Magazine just got the full spiel from Microsoft themselves: Windows Mobile 6.5 devices won’t be upgradable to Windows Phone 7 series. (You hear that? Five hundred XDA hackers just scoffed and said “Yeah, we’ll see about that.”)
Why? Standards. Microsoft has a very, very, almost ridiculously strict set of hardware guidelines that they want manufacturing partners to follow when building Windows Phone 7 Series handsets — and for the most part, old handsets just don’t fit the bill. They either lack one of the three mandatory keys (search, back, and Windows key), or — get this — they have too many keys.
A while back, a shot of the HTC HD2 allegedly running Windows Phone 7 Series hit the net. We were quick to debunk it here, with our reasoning being that the HD2 lacked the mandatory search key. Sure enough: Microsoft’s GM of Mobile Communications in the Asia-Pacific, Natasha Kwan, says the HD2 won’t be getting the upgrade “because it doesn’t have the three buttons”.
Of course, this just means that they won’t be getting the upgrade treatment from Microsoft. As we mentioned above, there’s probably a mighty army of hackers just waiting to get their hands on Windows Phone ROMs for the sake of down-porting it to older handsets; if it’s feasible, it’ll probably happen.
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http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/03/01/windows-mobile-6-5-upgrade-windows-phone-7/
daam..now i'm becoming really the anti-microsoft..
and I never thought I would say that..not even after windows ME and Vista on pc..
how can they do this to us???
So they say just because there aint no search button..and there r to mush other buttons our phones wont get WP 7?
SO that means we (all HD2 users)just got f****d???dam..I spent alotta money not to change my phone in couple of month..since WM 6.5 is totally dead..
MS will change their mind
When all of us move to Android or stay with our HD2 another year at least, and many will buy the new iPhone, MS will realize what a fatal market research it is to force phone makers to a specific look (or buttons).
I am also reading they will not allow a layer of extra GUI like HTC sense to run on it, and want consistent look to all phones, regardless who is the maker. Unless they come up with an amazing GUI and themes , they can forget about me having WM7. I am more than happy with WM6.5 and HTC sense..
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BigE said:
When all of us move to Android or stay with our HD2 another year at least, and many will buy the new iPhone, MS will realize what a fatal market research it is to force phone makers to a specific look (or buttons).
I am also reading they will not allow a layer of extra GUI like HTC sense to run on it, and want consistent look to all phones, regardless who is the maker. Unless they come up with an amazing GUI and themes , they can forget about me having WM7. I am more than happy with WM6.5 and HTC sense..
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I abhor statements like this from the above poster
MS will realize the error of their ways. SURPRISE! Several users that were once wm have already moved to android and apple since 2007. Hence the campaign to revitalize the operating system. Its already been happening and if you think it can get worse for microsoft mobile after announcing wp7 to which many have said it is impressive, you are deluding yourself.
Fact remains
Google looks like vomit before htc sense, people bought google in droves. Apple has shiny buttons, people bought it in droves. I fail to see your logic from an economic standpoint beyond baseless fanboyism (dont misunderstand I am a die hard windows mobile faithful as well). People somehow buy seemingly restricted crap because of how it is marketed. Time and time again this has been proven...
so what you don't buy wp7 device...and if 100 people buy it over you, no one is really going to care if you don't buy it =)
imauser said:
can u find the official microsoft statement and give s a link here??
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Are you kidding? The internet is full of official Microsoft statements. Just a simple Google search will very likely link you to all of those sites.
Max_Terrible said:
Are you kidding? The internet is full of official Microsoft statements. Just a simple Google search will very likely link you to all of those sites.
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actually u should read my post below this one..
imauser said:
actually u should read my post below this one..
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Sorry man. Sometimes I tend to just read posts and not check whom made the post. My bad
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Sorry man. Sometimes I tend to just read posts and not check whom made the post. My bad
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thats alright friend
but the thing is really frustrating that MS does this to its loyal clients..
plus they said they do it to offer a better experience of using WP7..this is dam ridicules..I mean alright..for better exp new phones based on WP7 should have only 3 buttons..but Y it should mean that sum recent WM 6.5 phone be out of game..
personally Im cool with WM..this is a great OS(especially on Leo)..the only problem..that we aint gettin no new content(the most important for me is decent games)..
I *think* i read somewhere that MS was going to use both OS's. 7 for the ooooo and aahhh factor and 6.5 for the more business oriented side of it because the 7 series supposedly won't run any application from the previous generation.
Waiting game.
yes, that IS what they SAID, but their actions proved otherwise IMHO when they removed smart-device development from VS2010.
This is like them saying "we still support windows XP for the business user but have decided to withdraw XP-compatible app development from all of our coding products"
So I'm curious. I keep hearing that Microsoft made the announcement that the HD2 won't be getting WP7 upgrades, but does that mean that xda developers can't hack the ROM to work with WP7? I guess my question is whether the HD2 meets the minimum system requirements of WP7. The ones that I saw only left a few things in question.
For example, I know that the HD2 is multi-touch capable but the WP7 requirements stated that it needed to be capable of four simultaneous points of contact. Can the HD2 do more than two?
Also, the WP7 requirements spoke of something like 8GB of a storage capacity, which even the US version only has 1GB. Does the MicroSD not count?
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So I'm curious. I keep hearing that Microsoft made the announcement that the HD2 won't be getting WP7 upgrades, but does that mean that xda developers can't hack the ROM to work with WP7? I guess my question is whether the HD2 meets the minimum system requirements of WP7. The ones that I saw only left a few things in question.
For example, I know that the HD2 is multi-touch capable but the WP7 requirements stated that it needed to be capable of four simultaneous points of contact. Can the HD2 do more than two?
Also, the WP7 requirements spoke of something like 8GB of a storage capacity, which even the US version only has 1GB. Does the MicroSD not count?
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Dun worry, the chefs at XDA are notorious for making ROMs not made for that particular device.
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I know that the HD2 is multi-touch capable but the WP7 requirements stated that it needed to be capable of four simultaneous points of contact. Can the HD2 do more than two?
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I don't know this 100% for sure, but AFAIK the screen on the HD2 is capable of true multi-touch, as in - as many fingers as you can fit on it. The reason it's only currently capable of 2 point touch is because there aren't drivers available to handle more. The drivers that are currently available were adapated from the HTC drivers, which don't handle full multi-touch - just 2 point touch.
you can donate for WP7 porting for HD2 if you want:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=684346
There is one definitive reason, and one stupid reason the HD 2 won't be getting Windows Phone 7.
And it won't get it, officially. If Da_G manages to do it (and I have full faith in him that if it's possible, he'll make it so), it'll still be buggy as hell.
The Stupid = Too many buttons.
Yeah, it's bad. But MS has made a commitment to be standardized across it's platform, and I can't knock that. That's a really good idea. And besides, HTC has shown time and time again that it would rather just release a new phone with upgraded software, than stick to a device and provide it regular updates.
The Realistic = No hardware scaler on the graphics board.
One of the key ways that the Xbox and the WinPhone7 are going to be able to play the same games is by utilitzing a hardware scaler instead of processing the resolution difference sperately. I doubt the HD2 has one of those.
when this is right then soon wp7 will be real big
http://www.unwiredview.com/2010/12/20/holy-crap-nokia-is-in-talks-with-microsoft-about-windows-phone-devices/
http://mynokiablog.com/2010/12/20/nokia-and-microsoft-discussing-wp7-on-nokia-says-eldar/
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UnwiredView reports that according to Eldar, Nokia are working on a Windows Phone 7 phone!
Nokia has always been adamant that there will only be, S40, Symbian and MeeGo. Android was not the answer. That was, as they say, “peeing in their pants to stay warm”. Temporary measure with poor long term outcome. Before I get onto Eldar…
I’ve referenced this video a few times but remember the MeeGo interview with Marko Ahtisaari. Though Android on Nokia was refused, WP7 was not so blatantly denied. WP7 was supposedly different, though too early to tell, offered an interesting pattern.
On talking about Android:
“We’re interest in using platforms where we can add value and if that were the case – then. But it isn’t right now”
Android apparently doesn’t answer this. Symbian and Android apparently has the same pattern. WP7 is a different one
So, other than Analysis of Mr Ahtisaari’s comments, what does Eldar have to say?
Supposedly, Nokia’s new management (Microsoft VP turned Nokia CEO?) initiated talks with Microsoft to expand cooperation. Not just technology exchange, or more Microsoft apps on Nokia phones but the creation of Window Phone 7 devices sold by Nokia. This, in true Eldar Style, is both companies desperate attempts to rescue themselves from the onslaught of Android.
Eldar isn’t in favour of this partnership. The strong command of development is taken away from Nokia (if true). He reminds us of a Nokia quote in reference to Siemens and BenQ that an eagle will not come out of two hens. Well, Siemens and BenQ, the only similarities are that they both used to make phones. Microsoft and Nokia are still pretty much giants in the game and as is Intel (MeeGo partnership). And this millennium is the year of Biological engineering so who knows what legendary chimera can arise? No more infertile mules please.
Eldar via UnwiredView << Cheers to Arts for the tip!
Just like the Android denials, do you reckon if this is picked up by major blogs like Giz/En that Nokia will publicly deny this too?
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original posted by wpcentralThe world is aflutter today (and journalism has taken a back seat) with the unsubstantiated rumor that Nokia, under leadership of Nokia CEO Stephen Elop, who used to work with Microsoft, is in secret talks to work with Microsoft on releasing some Windows Phones. The rumor comes from Eldar Murtazin, who has attained near celebrity status with his rumor posts, despite the mediocre track record. In a post he writes (translated):
In the last month behind closed doors is a discussion of expanded cooperation Nokia and Microsoft (two-way discussion, initiated by the new leadership of Nokia). Not simply the exchange of technology, but creating an entire line of Windows Phone devices that may go under the name Nokia, through the sales channels for the company, and will also have the characteristic features of its products. This is a desperate measure of the two companies. The last step for the salvation of Android, which crushes everything in its path.
Nokia has very recently denied such future moves, instead reaffirrming their committment to Symbian and MeeGo OS, yet the rumor persists, perhaps out of wishful thinking. It is certainly possible that Nokia may release a secondary line of phones with WP7 on board--heck, Palm did the same years ago till they got back on their feet (to fall on their face again)--but we're not holding our breath on this one. For one, there is no secondary source that comes even close to backing this up and number two, financially it doesn't make much sense (see summary at ZDNet).
But we'll leave the possibility open. We're just not that confident in the idea. Even if Nokia does go forward with a Windows Phone line, so what? Has Nokia hardware (in absence of their OS) been anything truly remarkable? Or has HTC, Samsung and Apple grabbed the spotlight with hardware innovation and unique design? Call us cynical, but we're going with the latter. If Nokia and Microsoft hatch out a plan though, it will only help Windows Phone presence in the market. That is something we could live with, even if we are skeptical of the whole idea.
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I would imagine this would spark the platform in EU where Nokia is still a top brand.. in the US, Nokia had its hayday about 10 years ago but at least they could put price pressure on devices here as well
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I would imagine this would spark the platform in EU where Nokia is still a top brand.. in the US, Nokia had its hayday about 10 years ago but at least they could put price pressure on devices here as well
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I didn't mean to thank you, I meant to press Quote but enjoy the free Thanks anyway
The EU is a much bigger market than the US infact the US is quite tiny in comparison. Mobile phones is probably the only thing where Europe comes on top and it is the reason why many phones, not just smartphones, are released only in Europe (and Asia) and not at all in the US.
American Tech Blogs, Engadget, Gizmodo etc etc are constantly bashing Nokia because of Symbain and saying their Phones are awful but at the end of the day they sell more than RIM, HTC, Samsung and even Apple.
WP7 on Nokia devices would be MASSIVE. However, I'm not sure weather there is any truth in this. Microsoft have in the past tried to push nokia to adopt Windows Mobile and they've said no. Nokia like to do their own thing really and they can't really do that with Windows Phone due to no Customisation.
brummiesteven said:
I didn't mean to thank you, I meant to press Quote but enjoy the free Thanks anyway
The EU is a much bigger market than the US infact the US is quite tiny in comparison. Mobile phones is probably the only thing where Europe comes on top and it is the reason why many phones, not just smartphones, are released only in Europe (and Asia) and not at all in the US.
American Tech Blogs, Engadget, Gizmodo etc etc are constantly bashing Nokia because of Symbain and saying their Phones are awful but at the end of the day they sell more than RIM, HTC, Samsung and even Apple.
WP7 on Nokia devices would be MASSIVE. However, I'm not sure weather there is any truth in this. Microsoft have in the past tried to push nokia to adopt Windows Mobile and they've said no. Nokia like to do their own thing really and they can't really do that with Windows Phone due to no Customisation.
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There is quite a change within Nokia, they are going through a major restructuring, so if Microsoft and Nokia really want to MS might as well acquire them, it will not be surprising.
I am not sure how spending more money for mobile market than already allocated for advertisement ($500 million or so) is in the MS interest though.
Lets not forget to quote the entire thing:
"In the last month behind closed doors is a discussion of expanded cooperation Nokia and Microsoft (two-way discussion, initiated by the new leadership of Nokia). Not simply the exchange of technology, but creating an entire line of Windows Phone devices that may go under the name Nokia, through the sales channels for the company, and will also have the characteristic features of its products. This is a desperate measure of the two companies. The last step for the salvation of Android, which crushes everything in its path." -Eldar
The guy has a not so good track record. You're better off believing in the secret society of Illumaniti that only the people on the internet know about.
vetvito said:
Lets not forget to quote the entire thing:
"In the last month behind closed doors is a discussion of expanded cooperation Nokia and Microsoft (two-way discussion, initiated by the new leadership of Nokia). Not simply the exchange of technology, but creating an entire line of Windows Phone devices that may go under the name Nokia, through the sales channels for the company, and will also have the characteristic features of its products. This is a desperate measure of the two companies. The last step for the salvation of Android, which crushes everything in its path." -Eldar
The guy has a not so good track record. You're better off believing in the secret society of Illumaniti that only the people on the internet know about.
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LOL , I think I mist something on here , I only read that I have posted , not what Eldar posted.
Edit: I updated the first post.
In response to the question on WPCentral:
Has Nokia hardware (in absence of their OS) been anything truly remarkable?
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YES!
- The Nokia N95 had the BEST camera I have had the pleasure of using to date, it was an innovative slider sliding one way for a keypad and the other way for media controls
- The Nokia N8 has a 12 megapixel camera which blows away anything else I've ever seen on a phone.
I want my Nokia Windows Phone 7 phone with a 12 megapixel camera and Carl Zeiss Lens!
http://www.thetechherald.com/articl...-to-drop-Symbian-in-favour-of-Windows-Phone-7
Updated article. This should provice WP7 with some market share.
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In response to the question on WPCentral:
YES!
- The Nokia N95 had the BEST camera I have had the pleasure of using to date, it was an innovative slider sliding one way for a keypad and the other way for media controls
- The Nokia N8 has a 12 megapixel camera which blows away anything else I've ever seen on a phone.
I want my Nokia Windows Phone 7 phone with a 12 megapixel camera and Carl Zeiss Lens!
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I second this the n95 was a properly amazing phone that was way ahead of anything at the time. This is not the only example either look back to the late 90's with the 5110 even and the nokia communicator. They have slipped slightly in resent years but that's only due to the os there hardware is sound and solidly built to match.
If they do join forces then it will catapult wp7 back into the big league where it belongs. Lets just hope Nokia can see this.
It's great
Cannot wait for a Nokia WP7 device.
Nokia doesn't have much of a presence here in the U.S. but the few phones I've dealt with were very good. I'd love to see Nokia and WP7 together. I think it's a great match.
Why is there so much negativity on this!!! I just saw another article about this and it was blasting Nokia for making this move. It seems every reporter and media outlet can't wait for WP7 to fail. In my office, another friend just bought a WP7 phone so that makes 4 of us and 3 iPhone users. The rest have other phones or Blackberries (company issued).
So here's a sarcastic list:
Top ten reasons not to buy WP7
Top ten reasons WP7 users are losers
Top ten reasons Nokia shouldn't sell WP7 phones
Top ten reasons WP7 will fail
Top ten reasons anything, anytime, anywhere from Microsoft should be avoided
etc, etc
Engadget just got some news about potential talks/announcement next week on something.. (possibly wp7)
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/04/nokia-microsoft-announcing-partnership-next-week-possibly-invo/
Drop Symbian for this BS? It would possibly be the dumbest move of the year.
I surely hope Nokia would go on WP7. But I have my doubts... Most of in a Finnish forum is criticizing the rumor, if Nokia would go on WP7. They say, it would be the biggest mistake (I think they have not even try WP7). What I think, it would be the greatest for Nokia for a long time, I mean a loooong time.
I just bought an Omnia 7. I think it's awesome. My first Windows phone and it's awesome. Okey the old WM was terrible. I have never, ever even thinking about to try that, it looked so ugly and clumsy OS in a phone. But WP7 is so 100% made for a phone OS. And it's beautiful. With Nokia co-operation I think the WP7 could be also coming more popular in Scandinavian, which of course it is not now, because of the lack of localisation.
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Drop Symbian for this BS? It would possibly be the dumbest move of the year.
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You are so Anti-WP7, Pro-Android why do you even bother posting in here?
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You are so Anti-WP7, Pro-Android why do you even bother posting in here?
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And why do you even bother to reply on his BS
On the topic: If this happens it would be a very big win for Microsoft. They will finally have top-notch hardware for their OS plus a big name on it. However I do not see the real benefit for Nokia. They're gonna lose most of their identity in such move. In the other hand they've missed their momentum investing so much on Symbian and currently have not many choices. It will be a very hard decision for them.
PS: Personally, as an ordinary consumer, I also would like to see the quality of Nokia hardware combined with WP7.
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You are so Anti-WP7, Pro-Android why do you even bother posting in here?
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I make it a personal goal to be on people like that's ignore lists.
In rebuttal, Nokia backing an OS that's worthwhile? Did we just travel back to the mid-nineties? Where's the delorean?
I guess you guys haven't played with a new symbian? You would totally understand.
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I guess you guys haven't played with a new symbian? You would totally understand.
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It plays like android with less support.... not the boat I want to be in...
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There is quite a change within Nokia, they are going through a major restructuring, so if Microsoft and Nokia really want to MS might as well acquire them, it will not be surprising.
I am not sure how spending more money for mobile market than already allocated for advertisement ($500 million or so) is in the MS interest though.
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i dont think MS will have there own mobile phone hardware as they work with OEM hardware vendors and if they want to keep that they will not develop or buy hardware compnies.... i beleive thats what happen ti KIN as it was a bad move because it will be conflict of intrest...
why is there so much hate about wp7 in its own forum? i dont own one, but cmon guys, why so much negativity?!
sort of like asking why the ocean is blue... noone really knows.
(the ocean is blue due to the sunlight... )
For some reason, the people that seem to hate WP7 the most are Android fans.
There almost is an inability by some to acknowledge that different intelligent people could possibly have opinions that differ from their own.
This isn't true of a majority of Android fans of course, but the people that seem to have the most deep seated animosity towards WP7 happen to often be Android fans.
I don't hate Win 7, I just luv Android..................
so far for most of the users who bought the phone loved it. then again, dont we mostly love the phones we buy no mater what brand or os.
wp7 being a new os, im just waiting to see what devs will support it before i truly consider buying it.
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This is a tough one but let me share why I feel this happens. XDA was the place to go for anything cool on Windows Mobile. Windows Mobile had alot of homebrew support and indie developer applications which you could find out about here. It was a very hacked open platform. Then Microsoft started talking about Windows Phone 7 and moved away from that community kind of alienating it a bit. Around that time that community started to move to the new hacked open playground being the Android platform. That being said after years of trying to explain all the cool things they were doing like free tethering for example with Windows Mobile to and defending themselves from the casual mobs of iSheep they still like to come back here and vent by hating on Windows Phone 7 for being the bastard successor to their former beloved mobile OS. A bit dramtically expressed by just what I am seeing.
Android fanboys.
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Android fanboys.
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Pretty much this.
Interesting thing is that even iPhone users seem to like WP7, so it must be the Android users...And I thought the apple gang was bad. This is just like discussing operating systems with 14 year old Linux users
Anyone can extend to WP7? LOL
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This is a tough one but let me share why I feel this happens. XDA was the place to go for anything cool on Windows Mobile. Windows Mobile had alot of homebrew support and indie developer applications which you could find out about here. It was a very hacked open platform. Then Microsoft started talking about Windows Phone 7 and moved away from that community kind of alienating it a bit. Around that time that community started to move to the new hacked open playground being the Android platform. That being said after years of trying to explain all the cool things they were doing like free tethering for example with Windows Mobile to and defending themselves from the casual mobs of iSheep they still like to come back here and vent by hating on Windows Phone 7 for being the bastard successor to their former beloved mobile OS. A bit dramatically expressed by just what I am seeing.
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Damned good point.
As someone who joined the Good Ship CE back in the days of the Jornada (and then WM with the Blue Angel) I guess there are quite a few of us who do feel that we have been abandoned by MS. We spent years being mocked and derided by others for wanting to have internet access and stoopidly large screens.
I appreciate that MS exist to make profit rather than entertain us, but at some point I will have to join the legions of WP. I don't want an Iphone or android so I have little choice.
If I am being honest part of my reluctance is the result of the fact that as I browse through this forum I am greeted by posts bragging about game scores or that are full of people slagging each other off. Just something I am not used to (here on XDA) and seems to go hand in hand with my concerns about dumbing down. Frankly this section of XDA is too often childish and *****y
Sadly it does seem that any dissenting voices are pooh-poohed as being WM haters. This is patiently daft.
I have been called a troll and android fan boy for whining about the lack of tethering and so forth.
So... getting back to the OP's question much of the criticism of WM is not indeed hate but disappointment at finding that MS have removed many of the features that we, as potential owners, had expected to be de facto.
I would argue the android comment. I'm on android now, but it was a protest against win phone 7.....because I loved winmo. Win phone is opposite direction.
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+103399558877655. These little Gaydroid lovin kiddies just can't help themselves...
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Pretty much.
It's funny; my good friend is a hardcore Android user.
We've compared my Focus to his Captivate several times. I do like Android and the Captivate but when it comes down to it, they're sorta the same thing.
Both can do virtually the same thing and just as fast. Same hardware too I believe.
I just prefer the Focus because of the Windows UI. It's sleek, simple, and fast. Gets the jobs done. More and more apps are coming everyday and same goes for games. They are porting them constantly. I am more than pleased with my purchase and can't wait for the future of WP7!
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On another note if my Focus would have not accepted my MicroSD Card and reset randomly, lagged, and overall performed crappy... I'd go with the Captivate. Lol!
the thing is people seem to be confused and think wp7 is the wm6.5 upgrade when it really is not. The simple fact is that if windows 7 didn't have such a strong name i think they would of moved away from the 7 all together. WM and WP are not the same line WM is pretty much dead in the water due to Android and so MS has changed its target market. The problem with this is that people already new the MS target audience for WM and expected it to stay the same but it did not. They are after the average user the nokia clan if you will. This is why its kind of a big deal if nokia chooses to go with wp7 or not. This does mean however that there is a lot of wm fans left hanging in the wind and they are angry about this, then to top it off android fans see this and like to pounce (kind of like the guy in the pub that sees a man down then puts the boot in for a laugh even though its not his fight). The thing is this could all be squashed so easy by MS if they got there act together a bit better and started to actually push wp7 to the customer, it is easy to sit in a big office somewhere paying a large tv company to make adds for you but until they get people in the streets they are going to get over looked. We have all seen that the best tech isnt always what takes off. WP7 is the best os for the basic user by a long way and i hope MS give it the push it needs. That being said i do believe if nokia come on board then its a home run as the brand name will carry it to the right audience.
I love Windows Phone it can be properly amazing.
lumpaywk- I agree with you but would add that MS may have a problem with regard to whom to aim the phone at.
Apple did an amazing job of convincing punters that they wanted a phone that had features that would have otherwise been previously seen as geeky. Indeed they managed to convince many people that the had invent the whole concept.
Apple applied Jobsian post Fordist- you only need these features and no more (eg no copy'n'paste, tethering etc). They incorrectly assumed that all of their punters were brain dead and were proved wrong, as is evidenced by the fact they then added those features.
MS seem to be making the same mistakes. It is almost as if they assume that everyone is interested in social networking and gaming and nothing else. I guess I will be flamed by those stating that WP is a work in progress but they are speculating as much as I am with regard to what will and will not be available via future updates.
IMO MS have missed a trick- they could have proved an interface that required little savvy to use but which at the same time allowed a degree of customisation/functionality by those that want to dig deeper. It is inevitable that the Gurus here will enable that at some point so why not embrace it from the outset.
That would keep the (relatively small) WM owners happy and hand the techy bragging rights to WP, perhaps leading to migration form android/iphone. I have never owned either an andriod or iphone but can see why they find it so easy to take the pee out of some of WP's shortcomings (admittedly whilst side stepping it's strengths).
I think it unlikely that WP will crash and burn but it doesn't follow that it will automatically succeed. Sure MS have deep pockets but those pockets were even deeper when they were running with WM, and what happened to that
Here's the thing.
It's so easy to say that Android owners, or "fanboys" as some love to stamp them, are the ones who come in here with any negativity when there are other factors at play here.
1) I have seen threads started in this forum by WP7 "fanboys" on how WP7 is better than Android and basically just bashing the other OS, this can cause Android owners to retort with obvious failings of WP7.
2) Look at the bugs thread, this OS does have things still desired that need to be addressed.
3) The fact is, you can't just brush away and defend every criticism by anyone and pass it off as "fanboy" (whatever that even means). Just like if someone said "wow, Android sure has a fragmentation issue with so many different specced phones with different frameworks and UIs and stuff" I'd have to agree and confirm that that is a problem at times and not immediately label him a WP7 fanboy etc...
4) This forum seems to have more than a few overly sensitive dwellers who take personal offense at mere opinions of a phone's mobile OS as if it were some attack on your character or something, and so blow it up out of proportion.
Look, if calling anyone who doesn't agree with you an Android Fanboy makes you feel more important and better about yourself, then go for it, but at the end of the day you're not addressing the real drawbacks of WP7. We're all basically here to make our mobile experience better, no matter which OS we choose to go with.
Not only do you have Android/iPhone fanboys bashing WP7 but also WP7 users bashing it. That's because we love the phone and just want to see it getting better. On the other hand iPhone/Android users seem to think their phones are perfect already. lol. Thats why they are fanboys I guess.
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why is there so much hate about wp7 in its own forum? i dont own one, but cmon guys, why so much negativity?!
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In my case, it isn't hatred, it's a doomed system and I'm just expressing my sadness that such a nice system has to be destroyed by a deadbeat idiot leadership at MS. But I guarantee it is doomed...unless MS shakes up the management in charge of WP7.
The negativity happens because the regulars here hostile towards anyone, very little help here without pages of insults. You can usually get more straightforward responses from the MS wp7 forums compared to this place.
I just bought myself, my mom, my borther, and my wife all WP7 devices for christmas (one of each released in the states) and I know that were all hooked and I've been a member of XDA for a few years now and have been tinkering since I got the original HTC touch when it was new.
I am getting sick of all this complaining. This is a vital time when MS needs support. We need to be more like Apple users in supporting our company. The apathetic nature of MS users makes me sick. Sometimes I feel like I am the only MS user who actively goes out and spreads good word about MS. User of MS products just go along happily using it but never actually spread the word like Apple fans do. That's why Apple is so succesful and MS is not in the mobile sector. The only time they come out of the woodwork is to complain.
See the whole windows home server and drive extender saga. Where were these people when Apple was bashing MS left and right? Nowhere. Now that they remove DE, they are screaming murder saying MS had the best product they've ever owned. Well perhaps you should have spread the word then.
So this thread is so say WE SUPPORT YOU, MS! You have a done a great job. Who else is with me?
Gas up the bus and round up the cheerleaders. We are going cross country!
I love WP7 but I am yet to support them by buying a handset. I suspect that will change soon.
I love my WP7! Especially after using that I one and the A one I can't wait to see what they do with it in the future
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If product good, support good, sales after services good.
The customer's will come, because the they are not stupid.
I own HD7 and I see it doesn't have many thing that made it to be a good phone (just "phone") right now.
MS need to be pull many feature quickly but as we see.. 5 month ago we have nothing, but bugs are still with us.
(ex. I can't use mic when I use headphone, so every time somebody call me in, I must to be pull out the headphones jack before received the call, It's not funny.)
Customer will choose the best thing for them so, M$ must to be more a good boy.
I like M$ but I not sure to support them in the feature again,
because I didn't got the money for free.
tanneji said:
I love my WP7! Especially after using that I one and the A one I can't wait to see what they do with it in the future
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Haha, I couldn't help but notice you posted this from a Captivate. I own one as well and I had bought a WP7 device last week to switch back and forth as I please because I want to support MS in the mobile community, but WP7 does nothing for me. The Netflix streaming was about it, but once that hits android then it wont matter. WP7 is smooth and rarely lags, but I feel so restricted when I use it and I have my Captivate sitting next to me. I don't know if you have got into flashing custom roms for the Captivate, but if you haven't flash Andromeda 1.2. Easily competes with the fastest of phones on the market today and everything works perfectly. But now that I'm done with my sales pitch, if MS brings an improvement to WP7 then I will be trying it out as soon as I can, but what me and my brother liked about Windows phones in the past is that they were virtually limitless to the tweaks you could make. Granted not as fast or smooth, no matter what facade is on top, but if you wanted to do something then most likely you could. WP7 just feels crippled, that's just my opinion though.
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though WP7 currently lack some features that we are used to using (copy/paste, multi-tasking etc.)im loving my WP7 powered HD7.
another thing that i love (and it makes me excited too) are the upcoming updates. come to think of it, MS will be bringing us C&P in a few weeks. and after a few months itll bring us Multi tasking in which the other platforms took a long time for them to deliver. its just that, MS should pull something extra ordinary that will differentiate their platform against the others. im sure ms is already conceptualizing things that will separate wp7 amongs the rest.
Good work with the camera feature, the Metro UI, social network integration and HUBS!
i love WP7
loving chix & vixens as well...
What about the landscape keyboard? Is there ever going to be a fix to take up the whole screen width? I'm sure going from an iPhone or something with a smaller screen its fine, but I'm use to the beautiful SAMOLED screen on the Captivate having a full width keyboard. In portrait mode its on par with the Captivates portrait keyboard, but I simply can't type on the landscape one. Maybe I should have got the Quantum...
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I'd be more inclined to be supportive of Microsoft if they made it clear that they actually were trying hard to support their users, not their carrier-partners.
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I'd be more inclined to be supportive of Microsoft if they made it clear that they actually were trying hard to support their users, not their carrier-partners.
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Allowing us to uninstall the bloatware crap without Modding the phone all to pieces is a pretty big sign that they support the users and not the carrier. Its the first phone I've seen it allow such a thing.
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I love WP7 too........
Mod Edit; It is against the rules to try and direct users to another (competitive) site.
I appreciate that your intentions were good though
I've always been the first to support Microsoft but they really do need to start showing their consumers some love.
i have been MS supporter for a long time and with WP7 microsoft has done it, this OS works without softreset, do not have few things right now but i know it will be having all those options soon...
i got my HD7 end oct and i am glad i got it.... i love the cloud, love the UI, love the speed, smoothness, simplcity, integration with facebook.....
i was wondering how it will be like when i lose sync with outlook, but it did not come up after i moved my contacts to my windows live account.
guys, WP7 is a good OS and if you dont like it there are other options, the only thing i dont get it is ppl *****ing about WP7 when they knew what they will be getting and they bought it and now all the *****ing..
I support Microsoft
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I support Microsoft
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+1 I support Microsoft
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But there are a lot of Microsoft haters out there.
another reason i love ms and wp7 (this is too much exciting)
IE9 coming to WP7 (later this year )
To the OP, just want to let you know something.Firstly,you say we have to be like Apple supporter and support M$.I can tell you that most Iphone users are not Apple fanboy.this is due to the product problem.
we are complaining is because the product is not good.IMO, M$ is on the wrong direction now,they have to plan and develop WP7 better,better....still a long way to go.what I see now is WP7 is just like SYMBIAN,full of bugs,but it just equipped with a better presentation.
I'm feeling pretty pity now,let's think about the updates and what we are waiting??mango and NO-DO,the feature these updates bring to us,is just some necessary and basic function and not mind-blowing.
I'm kind of tired of frequent lag and crash on marketplace,excessive noise in picture,slow app loading on my mozart.
what I said here is on a non-M$ fanboy stand point.
I will support MS back, but only when:
- They will deliver their updates,
- They will stop their unacceptable US-centric services, and provide decent services also to European customers. Which means they fix Bing Maps which is a shame,
- They will remove most of their silly WP7 restrictions and limitations,
- They will give all the APIs to the third party developers (GPS, compass, camera, etc.),
- They finally listen to their customers.
At the moment they are not fully commited to the satisfaction of their clients... Sorry.
And God knows how loyal we are....
if you have to ask...
people to support a multi billion dollar company, the company is doing something wrong.
don't blame apple or google or rim for this one. nothing to do with them at all.
I would imagine if ms actually released a full fledged update that brought it up to featureset, this thread wouldn't be needed. also, naming your first update after your competitions is just lame. nodo ? really, that's just sad.
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To the OP, just want to let you know something.Firstly,you say we have to be like Apple supporter and support M$.I can tell you that most Iphone users are not Apple fanboy.this is due to the product problem.
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Erm remember when iPhone first came out without MMS, multitasking, copypaste, etc. The Apple supporters were backing Apple by saying that they didn't need multitasking, that copy paste on mobile devices was useless and why use MMS when we have emails.
That's the kind of support I am talking about. MS users on the other hand just complain and complain.
Seen this today in a magazine for an electronic retailer here which is supposed to be the equivalant of a FutureShop or Best Buy back home. It's called eXtra.
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Complete utter BULL****. Fine, I'll give them some of those "Xs" but the App Store thing, along with not having a single X on Android, having it's solution through third party to everything. It's like they just grabbed WP7 and rammed it from behind. All these lies, and XBox integration, like what, going to xbox.com?!
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That just looks like someone has listed all of Android's features and compared two platforms to it and ignored the benefits of the other two systems. A terrible piece of advertising and in no way is it objective.
To be honest, feature-wise Android has everything. so it's a good place to start for comparison isn't it?
I think it shows how much WP7 has to do to catch up!
Think, with most of the features of android and the metro UI, WP7 could be king
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That just looks like someone has listed all of Android's features and compared two platforms to it and ignored the benefits of the other two systems. A terrible piece of advertising and in no way is it objective.
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Silverlight, Microsoft Exchange support, and Xbox Live integration are there for objectivity. The embarrassing point is having an X next to silverlight for WP7.
Hey, it will get there. Rome was not built in a day. Then critics will have to make up other excuses.
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Seen this today in a magazine for an electronic retailer here which is supposed to be the equivalant of a FutureShop or Best Buy back home. It's called eXtra.
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Which country is this?
Some have laws to prevent this false advertising (i.e. the UK)
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Xbox live shouldn't really be a feature highly praised of WP7, because its on all platforms. The only difference on WP7 is the point system, and the ability to change avatar clothes. That's it. Everything else can be done on any other platform.
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Anyway.. This's REAL.
Can't blame that, so M$ should hurry up.
The thing that this stupid biased chart doesn't show is that.
Office, Facebook, XBox, and Media Syncing are much better than on the damn Android.
And that 1,000applications in the store. Where did they BS that number from?
Why didn't they put, Processor, Camera Megapixels, Camera Flash, Screen type, DLNA, Removable Battery, Home Server integration, or anything else. Hell, they put Folders?! I mean come on! They should put Live Tiles and Hubs. This is completely biased up the...
The bad part is, Microsoft really needs to get through to these people, waiting on Nokia to help pick it up in this region is a bad idea.
I wish they'll print another one of these when the next update comes up. You'll see everything built-in, and all others having "Third Party." But that won't happen.
Concerning advertising practices. You can do whatever you want here, as log as it's not governmental. It's Saudi Arabia. They mislabel products, they price things wrong without printing a retraction, just total BS in the consumer advertising field.
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The thing that this stupid biased chart doesn't show is that.
Office, Facebook, XBox, and Media Syncing are much better than on the damn Android.
And that 1,000applications in the store. Where did they BS that number from?
Why didn't they put, Processor, Camera Megapixels, Camera Flash, Screen type, DLNA, Removable Battery, Home Server integration, or anything else. Hell, they put Folders?! I mean come on! They should put Live Tiles and Hubs. This is completely biased up the...
The bad part is, Microsoft really needs to get through to these people, waiting on Nokia to help pick it up in this region is a bad idea.
I wish they'll print another one of these when the next update comes up. You'll see everything built-in, and all others having "Third Party." But that won't happen.
Concerning advertising practices. You can do whatever you want here, as log as it's not governmental. It's Saudi Arabia. They mislabel products, they price things wrong without printing a retraction, just total BS in the consumer advertising field.
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In case you didn't notice, this is all software stuff, so of course they wouldn't put screen type and all that crap.
Everything they put is 100% accurate, not really sure what you're so upset about.
It's no secret that WP7 is missing features, just give it time, they will implement them.
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In case you didn't notice, this is all software stuff, so of course they wouldn't put screen type and all that crap.
Everything they put is 100% accurate, not really sure what you're so upset about.
It's no secret that WP7 is missing features, just give it time, they will implement them.
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Yeah right. That's why that have (third party) for iOS twitter but not for WP7. Biased as hell.
Its like comparing Obama (android) to Bush (Microsoft) , Obama farts and the liberals claim he's a genius , they do the same thing for Android! Thats alright , name one company who owns the android kernal thats making the kind of money Microsoft makes , everyone has Android (except not the same Android) , thats where WP7 and IOS outshine the rest!
bmazloum said:
The thing that this stupid biased chart doesn't show is that.
Office, Facebook, XBox, and Media Syncing are much better than on the damn Android.
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Yeah, but to the charts unbiased credit, they did list MS Office and XBL as two of the features of comparison, which could also be construed as biased towards MS.
Food for thought.
digger1985 said:
Yeah right. That's why that have (third party) for iOS twitter but not for WP7. Biased as hell.
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Judging from the 1000 apps they listed for WP7, I'm certain this chart is old. At the time however, 100% accurate.
Vintage144 said:
Its like comparing Obama (android) to Bush (Microsoft) , Obama farts and the liberals claim he's a genius , they do the same thing for Android! Thats alright , name one company who owns the android kernal thats making the kind of money Microsoft makes , everyone has Android (except not the same Android) , thats where WP7 and IOS outshine the rest!
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that example actually works against you since Obama is doing everything Bush did except a lot more (which Android does do everything WP7 does plus more).
It took the same time of idiotic zealot mentality to support Bush's terrible policy of inflating our currency, ruining our economy, and his unconstitutional military operations as it does to support Obama inflating our economy beyond belief, driving our economy down faster than ever, and sending more troops than Bush did to invade foreign nations unconstitutionally. Either way Android (obama in your metaphor) "does" more than Bush (WP7)
If you blindly support either you're a fool, just like blindingly claiming that either Android, iOS, or WP7 are the ne plus ultra as far as mobile operating systems are concerned. The informed and reasonable mind will opine more sanely.
The fact is that Android and iOS have more features and do more than WP7. There is no orchestrated effort by the media or retailers to vilify WP7, this is the result of the OS being brand new. It is growing pains, don't worry about it that will change.
vetvito said:
Judging from the 1000 apps they listed for WP7, I'm certain this chart is old. At the time however, 100% accurate.
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Just because the chart is old doesn't make it right. It's like me going around claiming iPhone doesn't have copy paste or Macs mouse have only one button.
Xbox Live on any other plattform misses the main features. Gamerscore and crossplattform games like Full House Poker (and next week fable coin golf and more to come). So Xbox Live on Android and iPhone is useless for any xbox player.
Of course the biggest point -> Lag in interface not present. This comparision is total crap.
digger1985 said:
Just because the chart is old doesn't make it right. It's like me going around claiming iPhone doesn't have copy paste or Macs mouse have only one button.
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At the time. It didn't such feature.
Knochen1981 said:
Xbox Live on any other plattform misses the main features. Gamerscore and crossplattform games like Full House Poker (and next week fable coin golf and more to come). So Xbox Live on Android and iPhone is useless for any xbox player.
Of course the biggest point -> Lag in interface not present. This comparision is total crap.
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Cross platform, are you joking? If you call transferring scores cross platform from phone to console, that's sad. That's really sad, you can't even play live friends on the phone.
Who has lag?
What's the point of gamerscore? I only have 1050, and I've had a account for years. It doesn't do anything, I can't purchase stuff with the points, I don't understand them.
orangekid said:
that example actually works against you since Obama is doing everything Bush did except a lot more (which Android does do everything WP7 does plus more).
It took the same time of idiotic zealot mentality to support Bush's terrible policy of inflating our currency, ruining our economy, and his unconstitutional military operations as it does to support Obama inflating our economy beyond belief, driving our economy down faster than ever, and sending more troops than Bush did to invade foreign nations unconstitutionally. Either way Android (obama in your metaphor) "does" more than Bush (WP7)
If you blindly support either you're a fool, just like blindingly claiming that either Android, iOS, or WP7 are the ne plus ultra as far as mobile operating systems are concerned. The informed and reasonable mind will opine more sanely.
The fact is that Android and iOS have more features and do more than WP7. There is no orchestrated effort by the media or retailers to vilify WP7, this is the result of the OS being brand new. It is growing pains, don't worry about it that will change.
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Yeah I think that Obama is just the African-American remix of Bush. Watch the documentary Inside Job for the real scoop.
Anyways, WP7 is just pure awesomeness. No app support yet like the iPhone but I'm loving its direct use. I also like Android quite a bit too.
WP7 is growing especially with the new Nokia agreement.