Seen this today in a magazine for an electronic retailer here which is supposed to be the equivalant of a FutureShop or Best Buy back home. It's called eXtra.
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Complete utter BULL****. Fine, I'll give them some of those "Xs" but the App Store thing, along with not having a single X on Android, having it's solution through third party to everything. It's like they just grabbed WP7 and rammed it from behind. All these lies, and XBox integration, like what, going to xbox.com?!
http://www.extrastores.com/EnglishPages/MonthlyFlyers.aspx
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That just looks like someone has listed all of Android's features and compared two platforms to it and ignored the benefits of the other two systems. A terrible piece of advertising and in no way is it objective.
To be honest, feature-wise Android has everything. so it's a good place to start for comparison isn't it?
I think it shows how much WP7 has to do to catch up!
Think, with most of the features of android and the metro UI, WP7 could be king
Freypal said:
That just looks like someone has listed all of Android's features and compared two platforms to it and ignored the benefits of the other two systems. A terrible piece of advertising and in no way is it objective.
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Silverlight, Microsoft Exchange support, and Xbox Live integration are there for objectivity. The embarrassing point is having an X next to silverlight for WP7.
Hey, it will get there. Rome was not built in a day. Then critics will have to make up other excuses.
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Seen this today in a magazine for an electronic retailer here which is supposed to be the equivalant of a FutureShop or Best Buy back home. It's called eXtra.
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Which country is this?
Some have laws to prevent this false advertising (i.e. the UK)
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Xbox live shouldn't really be a feature highly praised of WP7, because its on all platforms. The only difference on WP7 is the point system, and the ability to change avatar clothes. That's it. Everything else can be done on any other platform.
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Anyway.. This's REAL.
Can't blame that, so M$ should hurry up.
The thing that this stupid biased chart doesn't show is that.
Office, Facebook, XBox, and Media Syncing are much better than on the damn Android.
And that 1,000applications in the store. Where did they BS that number from?
Why didn't they put, Processor, Camera Megapixels, Camera Flash, Screen type, DLNA, Removable Battery, Home Server integration, or anything else. Hell, they put Folders?! I mean come on! They should put Live Tiles and Hubs. This is completely biased up the...
The bad part is, Microsoft really needs to get through to these people, waiting on Nokia to help pick it up in this region is a bad idea.
I wish they'll print another one of these when the next update comes up. You'll see everything built-in, and all others having "Third Party." But that won't happen.
Concerning advertising practices. You can do whatever you want here, as log as it's not governmental. It's Saudi Arabia. They mislabel products, they price things wrong without printing a retraction, just total BS in the consumer advertising field.
bmazloum said:
The thing that this stupid biased chart doesn't show is that.
Office, Facebook, XBox, and Media Syncing are much better than on the damn Android.
And that 1,000applications in the store. Where did they BS that number from?
Why didn't they put, Processor, Camera Megapixels, Camera Flash, Screen type, DLNA, Removable Battery, Home Server integration, or anything else. Hell, they put Folders?! I mean come on! They should put Live Tiles and Hubs. This is completely biased up the...
The bad part is, Microsoft really needs to get through to these people, waiting on Nokia to help pick it up in this region is a bad idea.
I wish they'll print another one of these when the next update comes up. You'll see everything built-in, and all others having "Third Party." But that won't happen.
Concerning advertising practices. You can do whatever you want here, as log as it's not governmental. It's Saudi Arabia. They mislabel products, they price things wrong without printing a retraction, just total BS in the consumer advertising field.
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In case you didn't notice, this is all software stuff, so of course they wouldn't put screen type and all that crap.
Everything they put is 100% accurate, not really sure what you're so upset about.
It's no secret that WP7 is missing features, just give it time, they will implement them.
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In case you didn't notice, this is all software stuff, so of course they wouldn't put screen type and all that crap.
Everything they put is 100% accurate, not really sure what you're so upset about.
It's no secret that WP7 is missing features, just give it time, they will implement them.
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Yeah right. That's why that have (third party) for iOS twitter but not for WP7. Biased as hell.
Its like comparing Obama (android) to Bush (Microsoft) , Obama farts and the liberals claim he's a genius , they do the same thing for Android! Thats alright , name one company who owns the android kernal thats making the kind of money Microsoft makes , everyone has Android (except not the same Android) , thats where WP7 and IOS outshine the rest!
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The thing that this stupid biased chart doesn't show is that.
Office, Facebook, XBox, and Media Syncing are much better than on the damn Android.
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Yeah, but to the charts unbiased credit, they did list MS Office and XBL as two of the features of comparison, which could also be construed as biased towards MS.
Food for thought.
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Yeah right. That's why that have (third party) for iOS twitter but not for WP7. Biased as hell.
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Judging from the 1000 apps they listed for WP7, I'm certain this chart is old. At the time however, 100% accurate.
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Its like comparing Obama (android) to Bush (Microsoft) , Obama farts and the liberals claim he's a genius , they do the same thing for Android! Thats alright , name one company who owns the android kernal thats making the kind of money Microsoft makes , everyone has Android (except not the same Android) , thats where WP7 and IOS outshine the rest!
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that example actually works against you since Obama is doing everything Bush did except a lot more (which Android does do everything WP7 does plus more).
It took the same time of idiotic zealot mentality to support Bush's terrible policy of inflating our currency, ruining our economy, and his unconstitutional military operations as it does to support Obama inflating our economy beyond belief, driving our economy down faster than ever, and sending more troops than Bush did to invade foreign nations unconstitutionally. Either way Android (obama in your metaphor) "does" more than Bush (WP7)
If you blindly support either you're a fool, just like blindingly claiming that either Android, iOS, or WP7 are the ne plus ultra as far as mobile operating systems are concerned. The informed and reasonable mind will opine more sanely.
The fact is that Android and iOS have more features and do more than WP7. There is no orchestrated effort by the media or retailers to vilify WP7, this is the result of the OS being brand new. It is growing pains, don't worry about it that will change.
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Judging from the 1000 apps they listed for WP7, I'm certain this chart is old. At the time however, 100% accurate.
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Just because the chart is old doesn't make it right. It's like me going around claiming iPhone doesn't have copy paste or Macs mouse have only one button.
Xbox Live on any other plattform misses the main features. Gamerscore and crossplattform games like Full House Poker (and next week fable coin golf and more to come). So Xbox Live on Android and iPhone is useless for any xbox player.
Of course the biggest point -> Lag in interface not present. This comparision is total crap.
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Just because the chart is old doesn't make it right. It's like me going around claiming iPhone doesn't have copy paste or Macs mouse have only one button.
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At the time. It didn't such feature.
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Xbox Live on any other plattform misses the main features. Gamerscore and crossplattform games like Full House Poker (and next week fable coin golf and more to come). So Xbox Live on Android and iPhone is useless for any xbox player.
Of course the biggest point -> Lag in interface not present. This comparision is total crap.
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Cross platform, are you joking? If you call transferring scores cross platform from phone to console, that's sad. That's really sad, you can't even play live friends on the phone.
Who has lag?
What's the point of gamerscore? I only have 1050, and I've had a account for years. It doesn't do anything, I can't purchase stuff with the points, I don't understand them.
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that example actually works against you since Obama is doing everything Bush did except a lot more (which Android does do everything WP7 does plus more).
It took the same time of idiotic zealot mentality to support Bush's terrible policy of inflating our currency, ruining our economy, and his unconstitutional military operations as it does to support Obama inflating our economy beyond belief, driving our economy down faster than ever, and sending more troops than Bush did to invade foreign nations unconstitutionally. Either way Android (obama in your metaphor) "does" more than Bush (WP7)
If you blindly support either you're a fool, just like blindingly claiming that either Android, iOS, or WP7 are the ne plus ultra as far as mobile operating systems are concerned. The informed and reasonable mind will opine more sanely.
The fact is that Android and iOS have more features and do more than WP7. There is no orchestrated effort by the media or retailers to vilify WP7, this is the result of the OS being brand new. It is growing pains, don't worry about it that will change.
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Yeah I think that Obama is just the African-American remix of Bush. Watch the documentary Inside Job for the real scoop.
Anyways, WP7 is just pure awesomeness. No app support yet like the iPhone but I'm loving its direct use. I also like Android quite a bit too.
WP7 is growing especially with the new Nokia agreement.
Related
http://blogs.computerworld.com/17455/more_evidence_that_windows_phone_7_sales_are_tanking
Why is it that so many people like to hate on WP7? Its as if some people dont want to give it a chance, Im assuming the majority of these people are Android and iOS fanboys, fanboys in general are just ugh...
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http://blogs.computerworld.com/17455/more_evidence_that_windows_phone_7_sales_are_tanking
Why is it that so many people like to hate on WP7? Its as if some people dont want to give it a chance, Im assuming the majority of these people are Android and iOS fanboys, fanboys in general are just ugh...
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I don't know, but I am yet to see a WP7 in the wild in NYC.
I take a subway to work and back home Mo-Fri and all I see iPhones, Android phones and Blackberries.
I don't think this article is hating on WP7, just reporting on sub-par sales figures which is likely true.
I don't agree with his last point though, WP7 is clearly a new operating system and not just the next iteration of windows mobile.
I really think Microsoft has a branding problem with their phones right now and in my opinion they should have named the os something different in order to distance it from windows mobile.
I don't think the sales figures should be a huge concern though, Microsoft doesn't need sales figures to be spectacular right out of the gate, the majority of people still don't own smartphones. I think as long as they keep building a solid product sales will grow over the next few years.
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http://blogs.computerworld.com/17455/more_evidence_that_windows_phone_7_sales_are_tanking
Why is it that so many people like to hate on WP7? Its as if some people dont want to give it a chance, Im assuming the majority of these people are Android and iOS fanboys, fanboys in general are just ugh...
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Lol, I found that the same author writes these "stories":
1. Android outselling Windows Phone 7 by 15:1, says retailer
2. More bad news for Microsoft's Windows Phone 7 launch --- potential buyers are not pleased
3. Windows Phone 7 launch --- what went wrong?
4. Windows Phone 7 launch, dwarfed by Android and iPhone, looks to be a dud
5. Ballmer sells $1.3 billion of Microsoft stock. Does he know something we don't?
6. Bad news for Windows Phone 7 launch --- big shortages may be ahead
7. For Microsoft to succeed, must Windows die?
...yeah
Don't get me wrong, I love'd my android device when I had it. However, I wanted to try something new, and was intrigued by the WP7 OS. I do believe it has a lot of room to grow, and I am not about to go along with everyone else and throw it out the window because Android/iOS can do something it cant. It's all about opening up and trying something new, and not dismissing it as soon as you turn it on, such in this guy's case.
android and "i" anything have become fad keyword/fad terms...ppl don't know what it is unless it has an "i" in front of it or android. But wp7 is still extremely new. give it time
what i don't get is why Apple and droid fans come on to Wp7 sites and articles just to leave hateful comments? They are really attempting to disuade ppl from trying it ,,,which is just retarded.
If you don't like it...fine...who cares. Why you do they have to leave negative comments on every article out there...Don't read the article if u don't care about it.
I think the high suck factor of WP7 has something to do with it.
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I think the high suck factor of WP7 has something to do with it.
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Well judging by that comment I'm sure you have never used a WP7 device. Perhaps removing your Google goggles would help with that.
chaoscentral said:
Well judging by that comment I'm sure you have never used a WP7 device. Perhaps removing your Google goggles would help with that.
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don't bother with this fanboy man. He obviously has the brain of a small rodent, like most fanboys.
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don't bother with this fanboy man. He obviously has the brain of a small rodent, like most fanboys.
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I have an EVO that I love.
I also started evaluating a Samsung Focus(WP7).
It is really impressive, it is the perfect use case for my wife. E-mail/calendar/facebook some internet. It is one of the best devices for that type of use case. The battery life is awesome. My wife won't be haxoring her phone and be on XDA.
I still like the WP7 interface. I have had a Touch Pro(wm6.5), Pre, and an EVO. I also have an ipod touch and an ipad.
So I ain't a hater.
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Well judging by that comment I'm sure you have never used a WP7 device. Perhaps removing your Google goggles would help with that.
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well said my friend.... those guys *****ing on this forum are the ppl who dont own any WP7 device.....
if they do they will have nothing to say as its the best device with the most user friendly UI (but not for those ppl who do not like to see anything stock on there phones). and its the fastes and smoothest OS as well..
solidkevin said:
http://blogs.computerworld.com/17455/more_evidence_that_windows_phone_7_sales_are_tanking
Why is it that so many people like to hate on WP7? Its as if some people dont want to give it a chance, Im assuming the majority of these people are Android and iOS fanboys, fanboys in general are just ugh...
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why ppl hate wp7 is not the question ppl hate Bill Gates and his MICROSOFT, the most succsesful man and his company.....
this guy who wrote about WP7 has written so many negetive articals about microsot and its product....
to be honest who gives a**** as MS is still printing money and dominating the PC and server arena...
please go and check the there net profits....
if all those ppl who are *****ing about cut and paste, file explorer, memory card, and whatever.... if only u have used a device for few days u will know the point of diffrence...
and if what you are saying that WP7 will fail because of those few small feature not included in the first launch then iOS and adnroid should not be around...
well I mean just like you're entitled to your opinion that WP7 is the greatest mobile OS ever, so are people entitled to the opinion that it leaves much to be desired.
I actually am somewhat excited about WP7. I like new things and a brand new mobile OS is no different, I'm sure I'll end up with a device at some point, just not willing to fork out top dollar for one right now.
You ever notice how when Android came out, the cool fad was to call anyone who didn't like it all that much an "Apple Fanboy"? and now that WP7 is out, people who don't think it's incredible are now "Android Fanboy" or "Apple Fanboy"
Just wait till some new mobile OS comes out that you personally don't care for and they'll all label you a "WP7 Fanboy"
Maybe you can address the actual faults with WP7 and admit that as smooth, efficient, and sleek as it is, there are some things that could have been improved on the device.
-copy paste - A friend with a WP7 phone couldn't even text me a phone number because there was no copy/paste feature on the phone.
- UI - Some of us hate those tiles and would like to possibly change the UI a little, wish it could be done. WP7 is just like iOS in this wise.
- closed - Of course developers can't do a damn thing with this phone other than make apps for it, kind of sad for XDA users considering what this site is about.
- bad for developers - You have to pay the stupid $100 just to be able to side-load developer apps on your phone? What kind of insanity is that?
When it comes down to it, how is this phone any different from an iPhone? Less apps, but bigger screens on more carriers, some with hardware keyboards. You have to grant that some people have legitimate concerns with the limitations of the OS.
orange...i don't know how in the world you can say the uI of wp7 is anything like the UI of ios, other than the fact that you use your finger to make selections?
the IOS puts a billion tiny squares on your screen at once. None of which do anything but sit there....WP7 at least makes them large enough to read, better contrast, and they're live...I bet no other iPhone user would say wp7 is like the IOS.
This is falacy that he been existing ever since the iphone came out. That any other phone that has a touch screen is trying to be like the iphone. Bullsh!t
Android has more similarities to iOS than WP7 does, TBQH.
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orange...i don't know how in the world you can say the uI of wp7 is anything like the UI of ios, other than the fact that you use your finger to make selections?
the IOS puts a billion tiny squares on your screen at once. None of which do anything but sit there....WP7 at least makes them large enough to read, better contrast, and they're live...I bet no other iPhone user would say wp7 is like the IOS.
This is falacy that he been existing ever since the iphone came out. That any other phone that has a touch screen is trying to be like the iphone. Bullsh!t
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Android has more similarities to iOS than WP7 does, TBQH.
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I'm not trying to bash the phone with that statement, what I meant was that it was unchangeable like iOS.
I do very much prefer Metro or iOS UI, but it's like iOS in that it cannot be changed.
If you like it, then the fact that it cannot be changed should not matter.
You seem to think you speak for everyone. You can only speak for yourself.
Other people are more than capable of making their own choices, unless they're like 7 years old or something.
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Android has more similarities to iOS than WP7 does, TBQH.
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10 please, TBQS.
And maybe people are skeptical of WP7 for a reason?
Man some of you are pretty damn hostile.
SWYPED from my SUPASONIC
truth is wp7 isnt selling as well as ms would have like.
i dont own one, never tried one but i myself dont like the tiles. im willing tho to give it a shot when a phone with all the features i want are included. also with software support.
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i dont own one, never tried one but i myself dont like the tiles.
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I hated those iPhone icons and Android(iphone like) icons. I was hating icons that was using on WM6.5.x, etc. I am so glad MS didn't follow that ugly icons path and came up with live tiles.
I have Samsung Focus and loving it! Looking forward for the update in Jan. Rock on MS! you did your homework and I am impressed.
I am getting sick of all this complaining. This is a vital time when MS needs support. We need to be more like Apple users in supporting our company. The apathetic nature of MS users makes me sick. Sometimes I feel like I am the only MS user who actively goes out and spreads good word about MS. User of MS products just go along happily using it but never actually spread the word like Apple fans do. That's why Apple is so succesful and MS is not in the mobile sector. The only time they come out of the woodwork is to complain.
See the whole windows home server and drive extender saga. Where were these people when Apple was bashing MS left and right? Nowhere. Now that they remove DE, they are screaming murder saying MS had the best product they've ever owned. Well perhaps you should have spread the word then.
So this thread is so say WE SUPPORT YOU, MS! You have a done a great job. Who else is with me?
Gas up the bus and round up the cheerleaders. We are going cross country!
I love WP7 but I am yet to support them by buying a handset. I suspect that will change soon.
I love my WP7! Especially after using that I one and the A one I can't wait to see what they do with it in the future
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If product good, support good, sales after services good.
The customer's will come, because the they are not stupid.
I own HD7 and I see it doesn't have many thing that made it to be a good phone (just "phone") right now.
MS need to be pull many feature quickly but as we see.. 5 month ago we have nothing, but bugs are still with us.
(ex. I can't use mic when I use headphone, so every time somebody call me in, I must to be pull out the headphones jack before received the call, It's not funny.)
Customer will choose the best thing for them so, M$ must to be more a good boy.
I like M$ but I not sure to support them in the feature again,
because I didn't got the money for free.
tanneji said:
I love my WP7! Especially after using that I one and the A one I can't wait to see what they do with it in the future
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Haha, I couldn't help but notice you posted this from a Captivate. I own one as well and I had bought a WP7 device last week to switch back and forth as I please because I want to support MS in the mobile community, but WP7 does nothing for me. The Netflix streaming was about it, but once that hits android then it wont matter. WP7 is smooth and rarely lags, but I feel so restricted when I use it and I have my Captivate sitting next to me. I don't know if you have got into flashing custom roms for the Captivate, but if you haven't flash Andromeda 1.2. Easily competes with the fastest of phones on the market today and everything works perfectly. But now that I'm done with my sales pitch, if MS brings an improvement to WP7 then I will be trying it out as soon as I can, but what me and my brother liked about Windows phones in the past is that they were virtually limitless to the tweaks you could make. Granted not as fast or smooth, no matter what facade is on top, but if you wanted to do something then most likely you could. WP7 just feels crippled, that's just my opinion though.
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though WP7 currently lack some features that we are used to using (copy/paste, multi-tasking etc.)im loving my WP7 powered HD7.
another thing that i love (and it makes me excited too) are the upcoming updates. come to think of it, MS will be bringing us C&P in a few weeks. and after a few months itll bring us Multi tasking in which the other platforms took a long time for them to deliver. its just that, MS should pull something extra ordinary that will differentiate their platform against the others. im sure ms is already conceptualizing things that will separate wp7 amongs the rest.
Good work with the camera feature, the Metro UI, social network integration and HUBS!
i love WP7
loving chix & vixens as well...
What about the landscape keyboard? Is there ever going to be a fix to take up the whole screen width? I'm sure going from an iPhone or something with a smaller screen its fine, but I'm use to the beautiful SAMOLED screen on the Captivate having a full width keyboard. In portrait mode its on par with the Captivates portrait keyboard, but I simply can't type on the landscape one. Maybe I should have got the Quantum...
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I'd be more inclined to be supportive of Microsoft if they made it clear that they actually were trying hard to support their users, not their carrier-partners.
FishFaceMcGee said:
I'd be more inclined to be supportive of Microsoft if they made it clear that they actually were trying hard to support their users, not their carrier-partners.
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Allowing us to uninstall the bloatware crap without Modding the phone all to pieces is a pretty big sign that they support the users and not the carrier. Its the first phone I've seen it allow such a thing.
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I love WP7 too........
Mod Edit; It is against the rules to try and direct users to another (competitive) site.
I appreciate that your intentions were good though
I've always been the first to support Microsoft but they really do need to start showing their consumers some love.
i have been MS supporter for a long time and with WP7 microsoft has done it, this OS works without softreset, do not have few things right now but i know it will be having all those options soon...
i got my HD7 end oct and i am glad i got it.... i love the cloud, love the UI, love the speed, smoothness, simplcity, integration with facebook.....
i was wondering how it will be like when i lose sync with outlook, but it did not come up after i moved my contacts to my windows live account.
guys, WP7 is a good OS and if you dont like it there are other options, the only thing i dont get it is ppl *****ing about WP7 when they knew what they will be getting and they bought it and now all the *****ing..
I support Microsoft
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But there are a lot of Microsoft haters out there.
another reason i love ms and wp7 (this is too much exciting)
IE9 coming to WP7 (later this year )
To the OP, just want to let you know something.Firstly,you say we have to be like Apple supporter and support M$.I can tell you that most Iphone users are not Apple fanboy.this is due to the product problem.
we are complaining is because the product is not good.IMO, M$ is on the wrong direction now,they have to plan and develop WP7 better,better....still a long way to go.what I see now is WP7 is just like SYMBIAN,full of bugs,but it just equipped with a better presentation.
I'm feeling pretty pity now,let's think about the updates and what we are waiting??mango and NO-DO,the feature these updates bring to us,is just some necessary and basic function and not mind-blowing.
I'm kind of tired of frequent lag and crash on marketplace,excessive noise in picture,slow app loading on my mozart.
what I said here is on a non-M$ fanboy stand point.
I will support MS back, but only when:
- They will deliver their updates,
- They will stop their unacceptable US-centric services, and provide decent services also to European customers. Which means they fix Bing Maps which is a shame,
- They will remove most of their silly WP7 restrictions and limitations,
- They will give all the APIs to the third party developers (GPS, compass, camera, etc.),
- They finally listen to their customers.
At the moment they are not fully commited to the satisfaction of their clients... Sorry.
And God knows how loyal we are....
if you have to ask...
people to support a multi billion dollar company, the company is doing something wrong.
don't blame apple or google or rim for this one. nothing to do with them at all.
I would imagine if ms actually released a full fledged update that brought it up to featureset, this thread wouldn't be needed. also, naming your first update after your competitions is just lame. nodo ? really, that's just sad.
sylau90 said:
To the OP, just want to let you know something.Firstly,you say we have to be like Apple supporter and support M$.I can tell you that most Iphone users are not Apple fanboy.this is due to the product problem.
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Erm remember when iPhone first came out without MMS, multitasking, copypaste, etc. The Apple supporters were backing Apple by saying that they didn't need multitasking, that copy paste on mobile devices was useless and why use MMS when we have emails.
That's the kind of support I am talking about. MS users on the other hand just complain and complain.
These are some of the Apps I would like to see in the WP7 marketplace
Bump
WhatsAPP
Fring
Layer
Paypal
Word Lens
Lose IT
Around ME
what would you guys like to see ???
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These are some of the Apps I would like to see in the WP7 marketplace
Bump - I'd like this app, or a built in 'send contact' option in the OS.
WhatsAPP -Kik (similar to whatsapp) is coming in the next few weeks supposedly. But would also be nice to see WhatsAPP. I imagine we will start to see more of the 3rd party messengers come Mango, which is when we will see some decent IM clients as well.
Fring - These will likely also come with Mango which gives full camera API support to dev's.
Layer - was shown at MIX11 by Joe Belfiore, and is coming this Fall with Mango's necessary API's (as will pretty much all other augmented reality apps).
Paypal - sure why not.
Word Lens - sure why not
Lose IT - don't use any of these types, but sure why not!
Around ME - Around Me, Urban Spoon ect would be nice additions. There are some pretty decent ones already in the marketplace, but I'd like to see some more.
what would you guys like to see ??? - mostly an official Google Voice app (or one that functions like an official one would.....Mango API's should allow this to happen pretty quickly).
most of the other things I wanted are coming with Mango as described above (augmented reality apps, IM/3rd party messegers, skype/fring ect) so other than just seeing more quality apps, I want MS to add features. I'm eagerly awaiting their announcement of the "Consumer" side of the Mango features.
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what are you doing until mango ?
Personally I would love for the Gameloft/Gamevil games to make their way to the marketplace. Only thing I miss about iOS is Zenonia series and Dungeon Hunter.
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what are you doing until mango ?
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LOL...well said,you made my day mate...I can't even figure out what I can do until Mango.
i wana see longman dictionary .and oxford one
nba game time
infinity blade
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Trick question? Using my phone lol. Did I somehow make you think I couldn't function without a Layar app?
These things are not necessities to function, just what I would like to see, and they are coming.
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Lol... Agree.
Also, on the Kik thing...
Kik has been Kicked (pun intended) off of Blackberry, and it doesn't have nearly as many users as WhatsApp has. It requires yet another account creation in addition to downloading the app. WhatsApp goes by phone numbers.
WhatsApp works on Android, iOS, Blackberry, and Symbian.
Sorry, but anyone who does a lot of communication on their smartphones know that Kik is no suitable replacement for WhatsApp.
I don't even consider it an alternative.
What we need is something like Trillian for WP7, not Kik...
The OP also failed to mention Skype and Pandora. (Well I guess it was his list, I was going by the thread title )
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Lol... Agree.)
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On what? I was answering the guys post, and responded to his list. That was it.
What an odd question. What am I doing until Mango? Not IM'ing? Not using Layar? Same thing as everybody else? It just happens that almost everything he listed is coming, and we know when its coming.
Other than apps Mango is going to allow (WhatsApp will probably come as well) I don't think we will be 'missing' many apps. I just want added functionality in the OS.
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On what? I was answering the guys post, and responded to his list. That was it.
What an odd question. What am I doing until Mango? Not IM'ing? Not using Layar? Same thing as everybody else? It just happens that almost everything he listed is coming, and we know when its coming.
Other than apps Mango is going to allow (WhatsApp will probably come as well) I don't think we will be 'missing' many apps. I just want added functionality in the OS.
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It seems as though this community thinks you need to be able to "do" something with the phone every day rather than just use it... I guess this comes from the flashing of ROMs and such... You guys are so accustomed to the WM days where we HAD to "do" something every day to make the phone usable... I'm going to agree here and say I'm going to "use" my phone, I'm going to continue texting, taking pictures, emailing, fbing, tweeting, 4sqing...etc
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What we need is something like Trillian for WP7, not Kik...
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Would still prefer Trillian... At least from my experiences with IM+ in the past... I hope they can prove me wrong this time though.
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It seems as though this community thinks you need to be able to "do" something with the phone every day rather than just use it... I guess this comes from the flashing of ROMs and such... You guys are so accustomed to the WM days where we HAD to "do" something every day to make the phone usable... I'm going to agree here and say I'm going to "use" my phone, I'm going to continue texting, taking pictures, emailing, fbing, tweeting, 4sqing...etc
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The only thing we'd like to do is install an app, but unfortunately those apps are impossible to install on our phones becaue they're impossible to implement.
This has nothing to do with Windows Mobile. I came to WP7 from Android, and if you read my posts in the Vibrant forum you'd know that I've never touched my phone in the way you seem to infer.
I have never modded any of my WM or Android devices. It's not my thing.
This OS isn't subpar because people want to mod them. It's subpar because it was designed as a subpar Feature Phone OS with good hardware while they finished the other half over the next year.
And now we'll probably have to sit on it even longer while Microsoft gives Nokia a cookie.
I dunno why you're going on and on about the WM/Android Modding crutch.
The OS just does not cut it compared to Android and iOS even if you're never modded your phone - ever, on any other platform you've used.
You paid $500 for a phone to wait a year for it to become as usable as a mid-ranged Android or Blackberry Curve? I sure as hell didn't, nor should I have been expected to do so...
It's not our fault the OS is in the shape its in, and has failed to impress anyone but a few fanbois here and there. It's Microsoft's fault.
Also, if you glance over my post history you'll see that I am equally vicious towards Android, iOS, and Blackberry as I am towards WP7. Trying to pawn me off as some Anti-Microsoft fanboi in this forum is quite hillarious... I am loyal to no platform, and equally critical of all of them. It only happens that this one is worse than the others.
Many of the criticism here can be found anywhere on the internet, even in formal reviews and unboxings. It's no mystery that this OS is both unfinished and if to be considered an actual smartphone OS (instead of a feature phone), Beta-quality.
And to the person after you, IM+ is inferior to Trillian in almost every possible way.
Also, the HD7 is a worse PHONE than the Vibrant, so even if I were willing to shut up and just deal with the OS' shortcomings, there is still that issue. The radio (or perhaps the radio firmware) is terrible and call quality and reception is not good. The external speakers are even worse than the cell radio.
I'll continue using my Vibrant to do half the **** you said you'll continue doing because it's a superior user experience. Push Notifications and Updates are simply superior on Android and there are things that are impossible to do on WP7 like emailing or MMSing videos.
But like I said, if you use your phone like a feature phone this OS no doubt seems very polished and "innovative."
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The only thing we'd like to do is install an app, but unfortunately those apps are impossible to install on our phones becaue they're impossible to implement.
This has nothing to do with Windows Mobile. I came to WP7 from Android, and if you read my posts in the Vibrant forum you'd know that I've never touched my phone in the way you seem to infer.
I have never modded any of my WM or Android devices. It's not my thing.
This OS isn't subpar because people want to mod them. It's subpar because it was designed as a subpar Feature Phone OS with good hardware while they finished the other half over the next year.
And now we'll probably have to sit on it even longer while Microsoft gives Nokia a cookie.
I dunno why you're going on and on about the WM/Android Modding crutch.
The OS just does not cut it compared to Android and iOS even if you're never modded your phone - ever, on any other platform you've used.
You paid $500 for a phone to wait a year for it to become as usable as a mid-ranged Android or Blackberry Curve? I sure as hell didn't, nor should I have been expected to do so...
It's not our fault the OS is in the shape its in, and has failed to impress anyone but a few fanbois here and there. It's Microsoft's fault.
Also, if you glance over my post history you'll see that I am equally vicious towards Android, iOS, and Blackberry as I am towards WP7. Trying to pawn me off as some Anti-Microsoft fanboi in this forum is quite hillarious... I am loyal to no platform, and equally critical of all of them. It only happens that this one is worse than the others.
Many of the criticism here can be found anywhere on the internet, even in formal reviews and unboxings. It's no mystery that this OS is both unfinished and if to be considered an actual smartphone OS (instead of a feature phone), Beta-quality.
And to the person after you, IM+ is inferior to Trillian in almost every possible way.
Also, the HD7 is a worse PHONE than the Vibrant, so even if I were willing to shut up and just deal with the OS' shortcomings, there is still that issue. The radio (or perhaps the radio firmware) is terrible and call quality and reception is not good. The external speakers are even worse than the cell radio.
I'll continue using my Vibrant to do half the **** you said you'll continue doing because it's a superior user experience. Push Notifications and Updates are simply superior on Android and there are things that are impossible to do on WP7 like emailing or MMSing videos.
But like I said, if you use your phone like a feature phone this OS no doubt seems very polished and "innovative."
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This goes on about your arrogance and apparent self created worth in this forum. Who says everything I say is directed towards you? Did I say "Hey N8ter...." - Not to mention, the phone is usable enough for me... You're also comparing a mature OS, to one in its infancy... But this is part of the double standard here... Not to mention, the HD7 is a superior device to any Vibrant I've ever touched, sorry that your experience is different.
Phone is usable enough for me, I just wish some of you would quit trying to convince me differently. Getting out of the topic of this post, you guys even go into the topics labeled "I Love My WP7" and try to spew your venom... Which is where it gets rather annoying tbh, this is a WP forum, I don't constantly want to hear the same 4-5 users ***** about it...
You, and a select other few, also seem to hold your opinions as fact, and the second somebody successfully refutes an argument you have, you attack it even harder.. Regardless of how ridiculous your point is... You become upset when somebody enjoys the experience.
Not going to entertain you today.
Mint.com
Skype/Fring
Good googletalk client
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I see there is a new RDP client that works with Windows RDP. It's by Topperware and is called Remote Desktop, which is the same name as a existing VNC client in the Marketplace. It seems to connect just fine but the connection times out after a minute in the trial version, so I couldn't play around with it much.
I suspect it is using some sort of redirection to a server somewhere. You can't use a internal IP assigned by your router but must use your external internet IP.
MLB At Bat
Scrabble
Native Remote Desktop
An IM app, but that seems to be coming soon
I'm quite puzzled as to why there isn't a Tesco Clubcard App. Tesco have had "Tesco Real Food" and "Tesco Groceries" out on the market since launch.
I really want to see many of Zynga's apps, such as Zynga Poker and Words with Friends. I realize there are many alternatives to those games, such as Full House Poker and Alpha Jax, but most of my friends play those Zynga games.
How Windows Phone 8 ‘Apollo’ Would Stack Up Against iOS 5, Android 4?
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It'll be a full on war for sure. The Marketplace will explode overnight as devs can target Win8 and WP8 without too much work on their end. This will nullify the 'app count' argument when comparing platforms. Instead we can focus on the overall experience with using the platform when comparing iOS and Android.
Personally I like the approach Microsoft has been taking with their products lately, it'll be fun to see them integrate the experience deeper and share it across their products.
Great time to be a tech fan!
I agree. This is the first time i've felt proud to support Microsoft since Gates left.
Everything is shaping up nicely.. The one ecosystem idea is brilliant. PC, Phone, Entertainment (next gen xbox), and tablets.
Remention:
One Eco-System that Microsoft is trying to show people.
Windows PC - Windows Phone - XBOX - Windows Tablet - Zune (possible Microsoft Music now)
i think if they make not more customizations possible for the customers apollo will be in the dark with 1-2% marketshare like wp7. another point is that the features are good but what is the killer argument to use windows apollo? windows is fast, modern and so on but it isnt worlds better im comparison with other handyos.
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1)It'll be a full on war for sure.
2)The Marketplace will explode overnight as devs can target Win8 and WP8 without too much work on their end.
3)This will nullify the 'app count' argument when comparing platforms.
4)Instead we can focus on the overall experience with using the platform when comparing iOS and Android.
5)Great time to be a tech fan!
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1) the war has been over for a little while, trenches filled in, grass is growing, birds chirping....
2) there's reason to believe this could happen, I would imagine with current market share assumptions developers will focus completely on the desktop apps.
3) there are a lot of "ifs" here still. Will 8 be another vista ? How hard will m$ have to push to get people out of windows7 ? Will anyone care "there's a phone too!" ?
4) Right now, today, this should be advertised like crazy. Not leaks, not 12 second clips from a presentation, full on, corporate themed, blackberry-attention-grabbing, no-fuzzy-gates-and-seinfeld-bs, advertising. Every day they aren't spending $500,000 on marketing is a waste.
5) its been here for a few years, tell m$, wake them up !
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1) the war has been over for a little while, trenches filled in, grass is growing, birds chirping....
2) there's reason to believe this could happen, I would imagine with current market share assumptions developers will focus completely on the desktop apps.
3) there are a lot of "ifs" here still. Will 8 be another vista ? How hard will m$ have to push to get people out of windows7 ? Will anyone care "there's a phone too!" ?
4) Right now, today, this should be advertised like crazy. Not leaks, not 12 second clips from a presentation, full on, corporate themed, blackberry-attention-grabbing, no-fuzzy-gates-and-seinfeld-bs, advertising. Every day they aren't spending $500,000 on marketing is a waste.
5) its been here for a few years, tell m$, wake them up !
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I was so excited by Samsabri's post, but yours was a reality-pill. It is true that Windows 8 should be advertised like crazy.
i think everyone is getting a head of themselves here...
apollo is not going to solve any of the problems with the current wp7 platform's popularity. none of the features listed are really anything the average consumer looks at when buying a new device. wp7's current major downfall, is the developers themselves. the apps are just plain crap. a developer just tosses and app together to a semi-functional state, then puts it on the market. look at the basic apps that work great on ALL platforms except wp7. twitter, facebook, angry birds, spotify, pandora, these are the most popular apps on mobile devices. twitter, doesn't work. facebook, doesn't work. angrybids works, but you don't get seasons, rio, etc. spotify, doesn't work. pandora, non-existent.
the updates with apollo are not going to fix any of these problems. will they make your wp7 experience better? overall, yes. but again, it's not going to provide users with the basic app foundation that users are looking for.
oh, and where in the apollo update is a maps update? great... something else that's really holding wp7 down will not get fixed. we will just need to purchase windows 8, and pay $2+ per app in the marketplace for apps that don't really work that well.
You do realize that we don't know much at all about what Apollo will bring, right?
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i think everyone is getting a head of themselves here...
apollo is not going to solve any of the problems with the current wp7 platform's popularity. none of the features listed are really anything the average consumer looks at when buying a new device. wp7's current major downfall, is the developers themselves. the apps are just plain crap. a developer just tosses and app together to a semi-functional state, then puts it on the market. look at the basic apps that work great on ALL platforms except wp7. twitter, facebook, angry birds, spotify, pandora, these are the most popular apps on mobile devices. twitter, doesn't work. facebook, doesn't work. angrybids works, but you don't get seasons, rio, etc. spotify, doesn't work. pandora, non-existent.
the updates with apollo are not going to fix any of these problems. will they make your wp7 experience better? overall, yes. but again, it's not going to provide users with the basic app foundation that users are looking for.
oh, and where in the apollo update is a maps update? great... something else that's really holding wp7 down will not get fixed. we will just need to purchase windows 8, and pay $2+ per app in the marketplace for apps that don't really work that well.
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That is very well said.
It's about the quality of the experience, not things like supporting resolutions.
I mean yes, that's a handicap, but they're still miles behind. The win8 tablet released in October?? Didn't the iPad come out in 2009? I love this platform, but they're so late to the party, it's like they're arriving the next morning when everyone's already long gone.
One day tech people will realize the truth: Tech does not sell Tech.
That is why the iPhone consistently outsells the best selling Android phone in all its highly customizable, multicore, lte, bells and whistles glory. Working well beats bells and whistles anyday.
All WP7 needs is to open more APIs, get more apps, and OEMs push out more phones and they are in the race.
appolo will stacks up really well, right behind ios5 and a mile behind android 4. wp8 might get the market blooming steadily. the bad news is, apollo will be mile behind ios6 and year from the next android.
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i think everyone is getting a head of themselves here...
apollo is not going to solve any of the problems with the current wp7 platform's popularity. none of the features listed are really anything the average consumer looks at when buying a new device. wp7's current major downfall, is the developers themselves. the apps are just plain crap. a developer just tosses and app together to a semi-functional state, then puts it on the market. look at the basic apps that work great on ALL platforms except wp7. twitter, facebook, angry birds, spotify, pandora, these are the most popular apps on mobile devices. twitter, doesn't work. facebook, doesn't work. angrybids works, but you don't get seasons, rio, etc. spotify, doesn't work. pandora, non-existent.
the updates with apollo are not going to fix any of these problems. will they make your wp7 experience better? overall, yes. but again, it's not going to provide users with the basic app foundation that users are looking for.
oh, and where in the apollo update is a maps update? great... something else that's really holding wp7 down will not get fixed. we will just need to purchase windows 8, and pay $2+ per app in the marketplace for apps that don't really work that well.
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I was thinking the same way, when the developers from the big company don't really care about the apps for Windows Phone, (even XDA, don't blame me, just look at the Premium Apps, it hasn't been updated forever) .
Just because the marketshare of Windows Phone isn't big, and hey, Developers are people trying to make money too , right? And They sell apps, and of course, they want to sell their best product at the crowd .
Unless Microsoft can turn this around first, and now with Nokia, i hope we can have something better, when people now actually put Windows Phone in their list of choice. (Windows Mobile was completely ignored) .
So no matter what, i am gonna stick with Windows Phone for now.
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i think everyone is getting a head of themselves here...
apollo is not going to solve any of the problems with the current wp7 platform's popularity. none of the features listed are really anything the average consumer looks at when buying a new device. wp7's current major downfall, is the developers themselves. the apps are just plain crap. a developer just tosses and app together to a semi-functional state, then puts it on the market. look at the basic apps that work great on ALL platforms except wp7. twitter, facebook, angry birds, spotify, pandora, these are the most popular apps on mobile devices. twitter, doesn't work. facebook, doesn't work. angrybids works, but you don't get seasons, rio, etc. spotify, doesn't work. pandora, non-existent.
the updates with apollo are not going to fix any of these problems. will they make your wp7 experience better? overall, yes. but again, it's not going to provide users with the basic app foundation that users are looking for.
oh, and where in the apollo update is a maps update? great... something else that's really holding wp7 down will not get fixed. we will just need to purchase windows 8, and pay $2+ per app in the marketplace for apps that don't really work that well.
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you don't think this post is getting ahead either?
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appolo will stacks up really well, right behind ios5 and a mile behind android 4. wp8 might get the market blooming steadily. the bad news is, apollo will be mile behind ios6 and year from the next android.
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winmo was on par with current android iterations. Android is an always outdated unfunny joke.
I can't wait. I'm holding off buying some rubbish Android phone until the Apollo phones come out.
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Just can't wait for Apollo and hoping beta comes in June/July like Mango... OMG
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the developers themselves. the apps are just plain crap. a developer just tosses and app together to a semi-functional state, then puts it on the market.
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That describes Android perfectly.
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appolo will stacks up really well, right behind ios5 and a mile behind android 4. wp8 might get the market blooming steadily. the bad news is, apollo will be mile behind ios6 and year from the next android.
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So Gingerbread is miles ahead of Froyo, and ICS is miles ahead of Gingergread? I bet even most Android people would say no.
iOS 5 I may be inclined to give you as being far ahead of 4.3 because of the camera from lock, notification bar, pseudo-widgets, and it brought Siri. But look how many borrowed ideas that had.
Windows Phone will be miles behind Android in sales, phone offering, specs, and apps.
Windows Phone will be miles behind iOS in sales and apps.
Android will be miles behind iOS in sales per device.
What this tells me is if the Lumia series could land in the US with a big carrier at the right time in its development cycle (Apollo) it will be the second most popular phone after the iPhone. More popular than a Galaxy S phone. Honestly, Android has alot of issues. Apple suits. Oracle suits.
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What this tells me is if the Lumia series could land in the US with a big carrier at the right time in its development cycle (Apollo) it will be the second most popular phone after the iPhone. More popular than a Galaxy S phone. Honestly, Android has alot of issues. Apple suits. Oracle suits.
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you honestly think consumers care that apple, google, and microsoft are suing each other when they, the consumer, goes to buy a phone ? do sales numbers reflect your belief in proportion to lawsuit wins/losses or some other metric ?
please, before you delusion yourself any further, do this:
conduct a post-sales survey of people walking out of bestbuy (or your favorite retailer) with the following three questions.
1) did you base your purchase on current lawyers' success, or the shiny screen ?
2) would you please name the last three court decisions which re-affirmed you were purchasing the right shiny device today ?
3) who one the superbowl, and which phone did you buy ?
i can guarantee you if you sample 100 random (as random as bestbuy customers walking out of the store on a sunny day are anyway) customers, they will not be able to answer questions number one and two. Number 3 will be a two part answer, so it will reallllllly trip of some folks, and likely take a few minutes. bring your lunch !
while there was some humor involved, hopefully you will see the grounding of the questions in reality and how the majority of people not only do not know the answers, but do not care.
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you mentioned that the lumia may/could land the second place in sales behind the iphone. if you really believe this, you don't need to conduct the survey above. just whistle louder and the voices will go away.
The wp forum is marketshare centric.
What benefits, as an end user, do you expect to personally benefit from if it ever reaches 4%, 10%, or 51% of the market?
Realistic, on topic answers only please. This will not be an android, iPhone, or RIM bashing thread.
I would say dev support, if they see that the platform has a big or growing install base, they would be more interested in makimg apps, games, exclusives etc for it thus customer winning with new goodies with their devices and developers making more money die to more potential customers
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The wp forum is marketshare centric.
What benefits, as an end user, do you expect to personally benefit from if it ever reaches 4%, 10%, or 51% of the market?
Realistic, on topic answers only please. This will not be an android, iPhone, or RIM bashing thread.
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Actually today Kantar reported as of mid april WP marketshare for the US is at 4%, for Germany is 6% for the UK, France and Italy is also around 4%. I would imagine by the end of may these figures will be higher.
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The wp forum is marketshare centric.
What benefits, as an end user, do you expect to personally benefit from if it ever reaches 4%, 10%, or 51% of the market?
Realistic, on topic answers only please. This will not be an android, iPhone, or RIM bashing thread.
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Honestly I think that a platform can be considered "healthy" for a developer to work on if it's at least relevant on the market. WP users tend to pay for the apps, so we don't need a huge marketshare to get some traction. A 10% would be a nice target, it would show that the user base is alive and well and at that point nearly all of the major app names would be here. Maybe it won't still be enough for every big game developer to consider the investment worth it tho, because high end games are the apps taking most work and cash to develop: for example, Real Racing 2 for iOS took 2 million dollars to develop, nobody would have spent that much without knowing that he could have earned much more than that by actually selling the game to a lot of people.
IMHO if sales figures are right we can make it to 10% before the end of the year. That wouldn't change everything, but it would definitely force people to see WP7 as a serious competitor.
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IMHO if sales figures are right we can make it to 10% before the end of the year. That wouldn't change everything, but it would definitely force people to see WP7 as a serious competitor.
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I really doubt that, things are not looking good
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http://www.phonearena.com/news/Plat...ins-bada-outgrows-Windows-Phone-again_id30215
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I really doubt that, things are not looking good
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Plat...ins-bada-outgrows-Windows-Phone-again_id30215
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I just stumbled upon this...doesn't look that bad after all, if the figure doesn't include WinMo.
http://www.wpcentral.com/windows-ph...le-us-passing-rim-according-kantar-worldpanel
So, how will you personally benefit, if X amount of sales are reached ?
ohgood said:
So, how will you personally benefit, if X amount of sales are reached ?
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More support. Cheaper support. Cell phones are no different than any other product. If you have a larger install base it attracts more people to support the product and competition drives down prices. A bigger install base means more apps and better apps. As has been stated numerous times too many WP apps feel like ports. They do not feel like they were written from the ground up to aggressively take advantage of the Metro UI.
Also there will be more COMPATIBLE accessories. With the iphone people are falling all over themselves to make compatible headphones and stereo docs.
The benefits of a larger install base are obvious.
Other benefits:
* More new phone models. Nokia is doing a good job, but if WP7 doesn't gain marketshare they'll be hurting badly and nobody else will bother to make WP7 phones at all.
* Carriers offering more phones. Carriers try to sell what people want to buy. If people want to buy WP7, then carriers will put more effort into offering WP7 phones.
* Better support for the phones. Too often, if people have a problem with something and they're on WP7, none of the support people can help because they only support iOS and Android (maybe Blackberry).
* Better support for the browser. There are a lot of sites that either don't recognie the WP7 browser at all, or server really crappy HTML to it that would have been suitable for the ****ty IE on WinMo phones.
* More investment from Microsoft. They're pushing it pretty hard right now, but MS is a public company and is driven by profit. If WP7 doesn't make them lots of money then they'll reduce effort on it, which means fewer / lower-quality updates and possibly an abandoned platform.
There's more (Marketplace apps, etc.), but this thread is quite long enough. Yes, marketshare matters
the more marketshare the more profit the producer has, in the end more money to spend on the thing that's produced. in fact of OS, the more money WP7 get in with more marketshare, the more their owner (Microsoft) has confidence and puts money in it and the OS grows, get better, is more worth and so on... that's economy
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ohgood said:
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if amount x is reached the company in this case Microsoft has more room to play with the patents and can sold maybe the OS for maybe 2$ or 3$ each device, instead of 4 or 5 or 10$ that would be good for companies like Samsung, HTC, Acer, they can produce better de'vices, the cost of an device would drop in fact of production, we as users dont see this change in price, but we would get better quality devices, like Nokia does now. Microsoft pays them about 1 bil $ each year to have WP on their devices, and they produce high quality devices i think of the materials not the specs. all is high quality. this device will live long customers would be satisfied and happy! that's what we in the end feel and see. Or they dont have to lower the price of the OS, they can help in other way other companies to achieve the amount x.
I think that marketshare and marketplace numbers are very important to the viability and growth of the platform. You simply have to look at iPhone and Android to see why every developer is working with them. they have the Market share.
It doesn't matter how many of the apps floating through their individual market stores are actual apps and the emergence of malware and virus'. It's about the numbers. It's about marketing and I honestly believe that MS really dropped the ball when they began to market WP and walked away from WM. I've been a widows user for many years since my 1st PDA and felt slighted to a degree when I found out that all my programs I'd bought and used over the years were worthless and unusable with the next new Windows OS.
MS turned out a new OS that had no real market support for it. The previous developers turned away and began focusing more on the larger markets and really haven't looked back. Once the numbers start showing that it's worth their time/money to develop for this new OS then they will be back.
Numbers are very important.
Dinchy87 said:
the more marketshare the more profit the producer has, in the end more money to spend on the thing that's produced. in fact of OS, the more money WP7 get in with more marketshare, the more their owner (Microsoft) has confidence and puts money in it and the OS grows, get better, is more worth and so on... that's economy
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if amount x is reached the company in this case Microsoft has more room to play with the patents and can sold maybe the OS for maybe 2$ or 3$ each device, instead of 4 or 5 or 10$ that would be good for companies like Samsung, HTC, Acer, they can produce better de'vices, the cost of an device would drop in fact of production, we as users dont see this change in price, but we would get better quality devices, like Nokia does now. Microsoft pays them about 1 bil $ each year to have WP on their devices, and they produce high quality devices i think of the materials not the specs. all is high quality. this device will live long customers would be satisfied and happy! that's what we in the end feel and see. Or they dont have to lower the price of the OS, they can help in other way other companies to achieve the amount x.
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So how will you personnaly benefit ?
JohnMcD348 said:
I think that marketshare and marketplace numbers are very important to the viability and growth of the platform. You simply have to look at iPhone and Android to see why every developer is working with them. they have the Market share.
It doesn't matter how many of the apps floating through their individual market stores are actual apps and the emergence of malware and virus'. It's about the numbers. It's about marketing and I honestly believe that MS really dropped the ball when they began to market WP and walked away from WM. I've been a widows user for many years since my 1st PDA and felt slighted to a degree when I found out that all my programs I'd bought and used over the years were worthless and unusable with the next new Windows OS.
MS turned out a new OS that had no real market support for it. The previous developers turned away and began focusing more on the larger markets and really haven't looked back. Once the numbers start showing that it's worth their time/money to develop for this new OS then they will be back.
Numbers are very important.
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Ya, we know numbers matter, but original topic : how will you personally benefit ? Not corporations, not wall street, just you.
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To put it in the shortest form: you get more and better apps, more and better phones. That's how I see it.
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I will probably come off as an overly sensitive WP defender so bear with me...
When you say the WP forum is marketshare centric what exactly does that mean? If you mean people come in and constantly ask for numbers and make fun at its low marketshare then we agree.
Nothing seems stranger to me than you posting this. My paranoid self is telling me you are baiting us. Maybe I should not be so paranoid.
Is marketshare important is like asking about a tree falling in a forest. Marketshare is a function of sales. Sales are a function of profits. Profits keep businesses in business. If you like the product and what the business has to offer then you need them to get sales to more than just yourself and your best buddy. The answer seems very trivial.
If I like Windows Phone and I want it to continue to progress and be supported then I need other people to buy Windows Phones.
However, in the case of iOS vs Android that is just bragging rights. People feel justified when the product they love is loved by others. The image we have of ourselves is a reflection of our society. We are guppies.
Now what are you really asking?
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like i said before, you get from that better position i which is your company a better device for lower funds. more support because of more money to spend on support. i had a situation with HTC on my HTC 7 pro some months ago, the back cover has a color on it, some silver on metal. but the silver paint is going of, i contacted HTc in the UK, and im from Bosnia and Hercegovina, i get two new back covers for 0€! thats where marketshare says something to the customer.
Just think of the situation that would happen with a low budget ZTE china windows phone, or with an lets say even more budget phone. they dont contact you, never! they would not even answer your email! that where marketshare comes in. same with iOS, people love them because you have a company which responds to your device you bought from them. if something is not right you get a new device or yours get repaired. thats not the situation with companies that dont have marketshare! little companies i think. they would not give you such support like Windows Phone gives me today, or iOS gives to their device owners.
and in the end, the more marketshare the company from which you have your device has, the better device comes the next time with more satisfaction for us. with more marketshare, more money for the company, more money to spend to satisfy their customer. and dont get what you else would mean?
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To put it in the shortest form: you get more and better apps, more and better phones. That's how I see it.
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right. thats what i said before but he askes again how i benefit thats our benefit, they have more money to spend to get newer things in our devices in the future, more satisfaction for us!
How will I benefit? Not at all since I don't own any shares of MSFT. Would I like it? Sure. I have grown to really enjoy WP7 but I've been a smartphone user since the heady days of the first Treos. Which means I've already been through a few OS's and have had to adapt to whatever suits me at the time. My favorite OS has always been webOS because of its simplicity, multi-tasking and gestures. But it was severely lacking in some areas. Windows Mobile was the absolute most functional OS ever. It could do things that you still can't do with RIM, Android, iOS or WP7 like network file sharing, network printing without any client-based software, remote desktop baked in, and a host of other capabilities. Along with all this largesse came the problems we all know and dreaded: random resets, freezes, looping, etc.
That is the problem facing MS right now, from a marketing standpoint. I don't know the inner workings of the MS marketing department but my hunch is that they're intentionally spoon-feeding WP7 for the early adopters to get a good feel for the OS and rant & rave on forums like this. The stigma of Windows Mobile has to be shaken and the general public is not the best choice to have as developmental engineers. We are. Now that Nokia has been able to mount a serious campaign in the marketplace, people are starting to notice. To rip a page from Oldsmobile, "this is not your father's Windows". OK, so I just showed my age but you get the point.
Going forward I believe MS will have success with Windows Phone. HP has always catered to the enterprise crowd and they've made no bones about the fact that they're going forward with Windows 8 tablets and you know that a suitable phone to integrate with it is not far behind. Maybe not from HP, but MS will make sure that Apollo integrates with W8 and W8RT. Bank on it. From there it's going to be about getting the spouse to try the shiny new toy and telling someone. MS is in it for the long-haul and I don't expect overnight results. It's gonna take time for everybody to get that bitter taste of WM out of their palates.
nicksti said:
I will probably come off as an overly sensitive WP defender so bear with me...
When you say the WP forum is marketshare centric what exactly does that mean? If you mean people come in and constantly ask for numbers and make fun at its low marketshare then we agree.
Nothing seems stranger to me than you posting this. My paranoid self is telling me you are baiting us. Maybe I should not be so paranoid.
Is marketshare important is like asking about a tree falling in a forest. Marketshare is a function of sales. Sales are a function of profits. Profits keep businesses in business. If you like the product and what the business has to offer then you need them to get sales to more than just yourself and your best buddy. The answer seems very trivial.
If I like Windows Phone and I want it to continue to progress and be supported then I need other people to buy Windows Phones.
However, in the case of iOS vs Android that is just bragging rights. People feel justified when the product they love is loved by others. The image we have of ourselves is a reflection of our society. We are guppies.
Now what are you really asking?
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Its in the first post.
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How will I benefit? Not at all since I don't own any shares of MSFT. Would I like it? Sure. I have grown to really enjoy WP7 but I've been a smartphone user since the heady days of....
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Well, ok.
I thought it would be a fairly easy question to answer. Guess its harder to do than some history lessons of personal preferences and hopes of things to come.
Here, I'll share mine as an example:
More marketshare would mean microsoft acted on clues of what the market wanted, or needed. I would personally benefit by more applications and better applications being developed to provide a healthy competition to ios and android. Their efforts to outpace each others developements would yield a larger field of better, even more specialized applications that work for -me-.
Too general ?
Ok, I'm going to benefit directly from the competition that microsoft -could- put to ios/android, and make me happier.
There is no trolling, baiting, or expectations other than each users personal view. Its just a question.
More marketshare would mean microsoft acted on clues of what the market wanted, or needed. I would personally benefit by more applications and better applications being developed to provide a healthy competition to ios and android. Their efforts to outpace each others developements would yield a larger field of better, even more specialized applications that work for -me-.
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Not so fast. I'm sure the market doesn't want,or need, 10,000 flashlight apps. I'm quite sure the market wants one, or two, that WORK. You and I could always benefit from better apps, there's no argument there. But I'm sure you'll agree that searching each OS's marketplace for a particular app and having to dig through countless repeats of the same garbage is a waste of time. I'm all for choice, but not at the expense of overlooking some quality apps because I just got tired of seeing the same worthless app after worthless app and settling for something that doesn't fit my needs. Maybe I was too simplistic in my earlier post but I still believe that MS has to hone in on quality, not quantity, to make a dent in the market. It isn't a coincidence that MS issued a rigid set of requirements to the OEM's if they want to play. I firmly believe they want to get this right and let's face it, MS has the deep pockets to go with baby steps.