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The "We love and support MS" thread - Please post to show support!

I am getting sick of all this complaining. This is a vital time when MS needs support. We need to be more like Apple users in supporting our company. The apathetic nature of MS users makes me sick. Sometimes I feel like I am the only MS user who actively goes out and spreads good word about MS. User of MS products just go along happily using it but never actually spread the word like Apple fans do. That's why Apple is so succesful and MS is not in the mobile sector. The only time they come out of the woodwork is to complain.
See the whole windows home server and drive extender saga. Where were these people when Apple was bashing MS left and right? Nowhere. Now that they remove DE, they are screaming murder saying MS had the best product they've ever owned. Well perhaps you should have spread the word then.
So this thread is so say WE SUPPORT YOU, MS! You have a done a great job. Who else is with me?

Gas up the bus and round up the cheerleaders. We are going cross country!
I love WP7 but I am yet to support them by buying a handset. I suspect that will change soon.

I love my WP7! Especially after using that I one and the A one I can't wait to see what they do with it in the future
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If product good, support good, sales after services good.
The customer's will come, because the they are not stupid.
I own HD7 and I see it doesn't have many thing that made it to be a good phone (just "phone") right now.
MS need to be pull many feature quickly but as we see.. 5 month ago we have nothing, but bugs are still with us.
(ex. I can't use mic when I use headphone, so every time somebody call me in, I must to be pull out the headphones jack before received the call, It's not funny.)
Customer will choose the best thing for them so, M$ must to be more a good boy.
I like M$ but I not sure to support them in the feature again,
because I didn't got the money for free.

tanneji said:
I love my WP7! Especially after using that I one and the A one I can't wait to see what they do with it in the future
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Haha, I couldn't help but notice you posted this from a Captivate. I own one as well and I had bought a WP7 device last week to switch back and forth as I please because I want to support MS in the mobile community, but WP7 does nothing for me. The Netflix streaming was about it, but once that hits android then it wont matter. WP7 is smooth and rarely lags, but I feel so restricted when I use it and I have my Captivate sitting next to me. I don't know if you have got into flashing custom roms for the Captivate, but if you haven't flash Andromeda 1.2. Easily competes with the fastest of phones on the market today and everything works perfectly. But now that I'm done with my sales pitch, if MS brings an improvement to WP7 then I will be trying it out as soon as I can, but what me and my brother liked about Windows phones in the past is that they were virtually limitless to the tweaks you could make. Granted not as fast or smooth, no matter what facade is on top, but if you wanted to do something then most likely you could. WP7 just feels crippled, that's just my opinion though.
Sent from my Andromeda Captivate

though WP7 currently lack some features that we are used to using (copy/paste, multi-tasking etc.)im loving my WP7 powered HD7.
another thing that i love (and it makes me excited too) are the upcoming updates. come to think of it, MS will be bringing us C&P in a few weeks. and after a few months itll bring us Multi tasking in which the other platforms took a long time for them to deliver. its just that, MS should pull something extra ordinary that will differentiate their platform against the others. im sure ms is already conceptualizing things that will separate wp7 amongs the rest.
Good work with the camera feature, the Metro UI, social network integration and HUBS!
i love WP7
loving chix & vixens as well...

What about the landscape keyboard? Is there ever going to be a fix to take up the whole screen width? I'm sure going from an iPhone or something with a smaller screen its fine, but I'm use to the beautiful SAMOLED screen on the Captivate having a full width keyboard. In portrait mode its on par with the Captivates portrait keyboard, but I simply can't type on the landscape one. Maybe I should have got the Quantum...
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I'd be more inclined to be supportive of Microsoft if they made it clear that they actually were trying hard to support their users, not their carrier-partners.

FishFaceMcGee said:
I'd be more inclined to be supportive of Microsoft if they made it clear that they actually were trying hard to support their users, not their carrier-partners.
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Allowing us to uninstall the bloatware crap without Modding the phone all to pieces is a pretty big sign that they support the users and not the carrier. Its the first phone I've seen it allow such a thing.
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I love WP7 too........
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I appreciate that your intentions were good though

I've always been the first to support Microsoft but they really do need to start showing their consumers some love.

i have been MS supporter for a long time and with WP7 microsoft has done it, this OS works without softreset, do not have few things right now but i know it will be having all those options soon...
i got my HD7 end oct and i am glad i got it.... i love the cloud, love the UI, love the speed, smoothness, simplcity, integration with facebook.....
i was wondering how it will be like when i lose sync with outlook, but it did not come up after i moved my contacts to my windows live account.
guys, WP7 is a good OS and if you dont like it there are other options, the only thing i dont get it is ppl *****ing about WP7 when they knew what they will be getting and they bought it and now all the *****ing..

I support Microsoft

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I support Microsoft
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+1 I support Microsoft
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But there are a lot of Microsoft haters out there.

another reason i love ms and wp7 (this is too much exciting)
IE9 coming to WP7 (later this year )

To the OP, just want to let you know something.Firstly,you say we have to be like Apple supporter and support M$.I can tell you that most Iphone users are not Apple fanboy.this is due to the product problem.
we are complaining is because the product is not good.IMO, M$ is on the wrong direction now,they have to plan and develop WP7 better,better....still a long way to go.what I see now is WP7 is just like SYMBIAN,full of bugs,but it just equipped with a better presentation.
I'm feeling pretty pity now,let's think about the updates and what we are waiting??mango and NO-DO,the feature these updates bring to us,is just some necessary and basic function and not mind-blowing.
I'm kind of tired of frequent lag and crash on marketplace,excessive noise in picture,slow app loading on my mozart.
what I said here is on a non-M$ fanboy stand point.

I will support MS back, but only when:
- They will deliver their updates,
- They will stop their unacceptable US-centric services, and provide decent services also to European customers. Which means they fix Bing Maps which is a shame,
- They will remove most of their silly WP7 restrictions and limitations,
- They will give all the APIs to the third party developers (GPS, compass, camera, etc.),
- They finally listen to their customers.
At the moment they are not fully commited to the satisfaction of their clients... Sorry.
And God knows how loyal we are....

if you have to ask...
people to support a multi billion dollar company, the company is doing something wrong.
don't blame apple or google or rim for this one. nothing to do with them at all.
I would imagine if ms actually released a full fledged update that brought it up to featureset, this thread wouldn't be needed. also, naming your first update after your competitions is just lame. nodo ? really, that's just sad.

sylau90 said:
To the OP, just want to let you know something.Firstly,you say we have to be like Apple supporter and support M$.I can tell you that most Iphone users are not Apple fanboy.this is due to the product problem.
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Erm remember when iPhone first came out without MMS, multitasking, copypaste, etc. The Apple supporters were backing Apple by saying that they didn't need multitasking, that copy paste on mobile devices was useless and why use MMS when we have emails.
That's the kind of support I am talking about. MS users on the other hand just complain and complain.

Will Mango move me further away?

The sooner I get Mango the closer I am to knowing whether to dump this phone OS and "move" back to 6.5 with my HD2 or screw it all together and jump on the iPhone 5 bandwagon. My Focus already feels old next to my HD2 and I've only had it for 10 months. Apple and oranges I know.

Thanks for you useful and informative post
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You're welcome. Enjoy your day!

Can you explain why?

IMO - if you get an iPhone you will be like the rest of the white headphone droid army that apple have created. Again IMO iPhone users tend to have a low understanding of tech issues (eg my mum and nan now have them) they just want something trendy ! WP7 and mango rules so stick wth it
Sent from my HD7 running Mango 7720.68 unlocked using XDA Windows Phone 7 App

Flashmaster591 said:
IMO - if you get an iPhone you will be like the rest of the white headphone droid army that apple have created. Again IMO iPhone users tend to have a low understanding of tech issues (eg my mum and nan now have them) they just want something trendy ! WP7 and mango rules so stick wth it
Sent from my HD7 running Mango 7720.68 unlocked using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
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...that's not really a reason. Aside from "well I hate the popular brand".
To the OP: give some more info on what you're looking for. And how on -EARTH- could you ever even begin to think of going back to 6.5??? Ugly, slow, laggy, freezy, ugly. Yes it was functional (sorta - most programs locked up or just wouldn't work), but man. It loses to every other OS in every single category. My LG dumbphone from 2007 was easier to use than my Omnia II.

Not sure why you'd jump to an iPhone if WP doesn't do it for you feature wise. If you truly need WM type OS, Android is your daddy.
To me, the UI & integration in WP blows the iPhone (and all the others) out of the water. Its all whether you are a 'power' user or not. WP won't have that many features until Apollo most likely.

Why is the decision for you so hard to make. You already know what Mango has to offer. So why are you coming to us crying about WP7. Sounds like your mind is already made up on getting an iphone, so go get it and quit *****in

937dytboi said:
Why is the decision for you so hard to make. You already know what Mango has to offer. So why are you coming to us crying about WP7. Sounds like your mind is already made up on getting an iphone, so go get it and quit *****in
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Yup the op was just trolling.....

I think issue with the op is the hype only lasts so long. Mango will be good, but after we get it we will bw like all the people who cried for froyo on their phones.
I'm considering getting a new blackberry personally. I pretty Mich gave up 6 months ago the state of this Os at release basically forced me to use android for 10th months longer than I thought I'd have to.... So Mich that the wp7 device is hard for me to remember I own it now...
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N8ter said:
I think issue with the op is the hype only lasts so long. Mango will be good, but after we get it we will bw like all the people who cried for froyo on their phones.
I'm considering getting a new blackberry personally. I pretty Mich gave up 6 months ago the state of this Os at release basically forced me to use android for 10th months longer than I thought I'd have to.... So Mich that the wp7 device is hard for me to remember I own it now...
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Well hopefully your new blackberry will meet all your requirments, good luck!

Until RIM pull out of the market and leave you with nothing, at least MS are committed to WP. If you buy a BB you may as well go and buy a palm os as I feel the writing is on the wall for them
Sent from my HD7 running Mango 7720.68 unlocked using XDA Windows Phone 7 App

Flashmaster591 said:
Until RIM pull out of the market and leave you with nothing, at least MS are committed to WP. If you buy a BB you may as well go and buy a palm os as I feel the writing is on the wall for them
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Man, don't hold him back. The sooner he gets his new device and finally ditches his WP7, the sooner he - hopefully - vanishes from these parts of the forums.

Nah. I'll never leave this forum. You guys are too fun!
EDIT To Add: It serves me no logical purpose just to leave because I got rid of a phone becaue I go through multiple smartphones a year and I'm quite platform agnostic, so I never know when I'll get another one. It serves my best interest to be on the up and up with all the info as well as still give my feedback and suggestions IRT the platform - or any platform I've used and feel there is a chance I may use again in the future.
But you're free to continue trolling me! I'm not so quick to bite these days, unfortunately :<

If you know my history, which dates back to my using windows mobile since the early 2000's, you'd know I'm not trolling. I just find it interesting/lame, when you say something negative and people here pounce on you! You certainly wouldn't want anyone dissenting! Perhaps it's a reflection of the average age here...ah, forget it.
Been using Skype on Windows Mobile for a long time and despite the fact that MS now owns Skype, I see no evidence of it being included in this release. Brutal! They purchased Skype in May!
It's a phone and I got to press multiple buttons to make a f***ing phone call, but just two to take a picture! Lame.
****ty audio/audiobook player.
****ty video player.
No direct access to my microSD.
No smart dailer.
I've got an Onkyo NR 509 and guess what, the app for it is available for iPad/touch/phone.
Cartoonish tiles.
Speedn has stated the issues lacking and I agree with him for the most part, but go ahead and dump on someone who doesn't agree with you, or better yet, show your lack of maturity and call him names.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=844117&page=65

Everyone has their preferences and priorities. It is unfair to call out someone just because our preferences don't match. Personally I have used Symbian, WinMo 6.5, Android, and now I am using WP7. I can see where OP is coming from as I too, sometimes, miss some of the WM6.5 features. But the reliability and polish of WP7 has changed my perception. I do not have to reset my phone (hard or soft) once every few days anymore and features, although limited, just work. I used to call out Iphone users when I was with WM6.5 or Android. But after using WP7 I don't anymore. Reason: Phone needs a polished UI and reliability (OS wise, I am not discussing at&t issues). WP7 and iOS (and WebOS) are the only ones that do it right.
To summarize, OP... go ahead and try all the options. mobile OS is way more dynamic, it is our loss if we don't take advantage of it and try them all... and in case, like me, you realize WP7 is the way to go.. you are welcome back!

edved said:
If you know my history, which dates back to my using windows mobile since the early 2000's, you'd know I'm not trolling. I just find it interesting/lame, when you say something negative and people here pounce on you! You certainly wouldn't want anyone dissenting! Perhaps it's a reflection of the average age here...ah, forget it.
Been using Skype on Windows Mobile for a long time and despite the fact that MS now owns Skype, I see no evidence of it being included in this release. Brutal! They purchased Skype in May!
It's a phone and I got to press multiple buttons to make a f***ing phone call, but just two to take a picture! Lame.
****ty audio/audiobook player.
****ty video player.
No direct access to my microSD.
No smart dailer.
I've got an Onkyo NR 509 and guess what, the app for it is available for iPad/touch/phone.
Cartoonish tiles.
Speedn has stated the issues lacking and I agree with him for the most part, but go ahead and dump on someone who doesn't agree with you, or better yet, show your lack of maturity and call him names.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=844117&page=65
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So wait, you hate everything about it... but still posted a thread asking this?
I'm the first to defend someone's right to say a negative thing about wp7 (cause I sure have), and this platform is missing a lot which gets on my nerves too, but this sounds like trolllllllllllllllllllllllllllin' to me.
Know how I know you're trolling?
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arkavat said:
Everyone has their preferences and priorities. It is unfair to call out someone just because our preferences don't match. Personally I have used Symbian, WinMo 6.5, Android, and now I am using WP7. I can see where OP is coming from as I too, sometimes, miss some of the WM6.5 features. But the reliability and polish of WP7 has changed my perception. I do not have to reset my phone (hard or soft) once every few days anymore and features, although limited, just work. I used to call out Iphone users when I was with WM6.5 or Android. But after using WP7 I don't anymore. Reason: Phone needs a polished UI and reliability (OS wise, I am not discussing at&t issues). WP7 and iOS (and WebOS) are the only ones that do it right.
To summarize, OP... go ahead and try all the options. mobile OS is way more dynamic, it is our loss if we don't take advantage of it and try them all... and in case, like me, you realize WP7 is the way to go.. you are welcome back!
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Wow! A voice of reason. Ya, I'll give you that. It is a pretty reliable OS, but then again I have installed in comparison to my HD2 with 6.5, very few must have apps on this unit.
Thanks dude.
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sure haven't said:
So wait, you hate everything about it... but still posted a thread asking this?
I'm the first to defend someone's right to say a negative thing about wp7 (cause I sure have), and this platform is missing a lot which gets on my nerves too, but this sounds like trolllllllllllllllllllllllllllin' to me.
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How old are you? Like 12!!! Go back to playing your video games!

edved said:
How old are you? Like 12!!! Go back to playing your video games!
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Turned 30 this year tyvm.
Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional.
And fyi: the age of the average gamer is 35 (^)
You sound like a parent in the 70's when you say things like that.

The point is that this is another one of those "everything about wp7 is crap" posts. It is unhelpful because it is vanishingly unlikely that Microsoft will do an about turn and make WP7 like WM6.5 or (God forbid) like android. I think it is great when people post useful suggestions for WP7 (particularly when they also post them on MS boards) or when people come up with stuff that helps us get the best out of our phones, but I have had it with the WP7 is crap stuff, IF YOU DONT LIKE IT GET A DIFFERENT PHONE AND LET THOSE WHO ARE ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT IT TALK ABOUT IT IN PEACE.
Have a nice day y'all........

How Windows Phone 8 ‘Apollo’ Would Stack Up Against iOS 5, Android 4

How Windows Phone 8 ‘Apollo’ Would Stack Up Against iOS 5, Android 4?
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It'll be a full on war for sure. The Marketplace will explode overnight as devs can target Win8 and WP8 without too much work on their end. This will nullify the 'app count' argument when comparing platforms. Instead we can focus on the overall experience with using the platform when comparing iOS and Android.
Personally I like the approach Microsoft has been taking with their products lately, it'll be fun to see them integrate the experience deeper and share it across their products.
Great time to be a tech fan!

I agree. This is the first time i've felt proud to support Microsoft since Gates left.
Everything is shaping up nicely.. The one ecosystem idea is brilliant. PC, Phone, Entertainment (next gen xbox), and tablets.

Remention:
One Eco-System that Microsoft is trying to show people.
Windows PC - Windows Phone - XBOX - Windows Tablet - Zune (possible Microsoft Music now)

i think if they make not more customizations possible for the customers apollo will be in the dark with 1-2% marketshare like wp7. another point is that the features are good but what is the killer argument to use windows apollo? windows is fast, modern and so on but it isnt worlds better im comparison with other handyos.

samsabri said:
1)It'll be a full on war for sure.
2)The Marketplace will explode overnight as devs can target Win8 and WP8 without too much work on their end.
3)This will nullify the 'app count' argument when comparing platforms.
4)Instead we can focus on the overall experience with using the platform when comparing iOS and Android.
5)Great time to be a tech fan!
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1) the war has been over for a little while, trenches filled in, grass is growing, birds chirping....
2) there's reason to believe this could happen, I would imagine with current market share assumptions developers will focus completely on the desktop apps.
3) there are a lot of "ifs" here still. Will 8 be another vista ? How hard will m$ have to push to get people out of windows7 ? Will anyone care "there's a phone too!" ?
4) Right now, today, this should be advertised like crazy. Not leaks, not 12 second clips from a presentation, full on, corporate themed, blackberry-attention-grabbing, no-fuzzy-gates-and-seinfeld-bs, advertising. Every day they aren't spending $500,000 on marketing is a waste.
5) its been here for a few years, tell m$, wake them up !

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1) the war has been over for a little while, trenches filled in, grass is growing, birds chirping....
2) there's reason to believe this could happen, I would imagine with current market share assumptions developers will focus completely on the desktop apps.
3) there are a lot of "ifs" here still. Will 8 be another vista ? How hard will m$ have to push to get people out of windows7 ? Will anyone care "there's a phone too!" ?
4) Right now, today, this should be advertised like crazy. Not leaks, not 12 second clips from a presentation, full on, corporate themed, blackberry-attention-grabbing, no-fuzzy-gates-and-seinfeld-bs, advertising. Every day they aren't spending $500,000 on marketing is a waste.
5) its been here for a few years, tell m$, wake them up !
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I was so excited by Samsabri's post, but yours was a reality-pill. It is true that Windows 8 should be advertised like crazy.

i think everyone is getting a head of themselves here...
apollo is not going to solve any of the problems with the current wp7 platform's popularity. none of the features listed are really anything the average consumer looks at when buying a new device. wp7's current major downfall, is the developers themselves. the apps are just plain crap. a developer just tosses and app together to a semi-functional state, then puts it on the market. look at the basic apps that work great on ALL platforms except wp7. twitter, facebook, angry birds, spotify, pandora, these are the most popular apps on mobile devices. twitter, doesn't work. facebook, doesn't work. angrybids works, but you don't get seasons, rio, etc. spotify, doesn't work. pandora, non-existent.
the updates with apollo are not going to fix any of these problems. will they make your wp7 experience better? overall, yes. but again, it's not going to provide users with the basic app foundation that users are looking for.
oh, and where in the apollo update is a maps update? great... something else that's really holding wp7 down will not get fixed. we will just need to purchase windows 8, and pay $2+ per app in the marketplace for apps that don't really work that well.

You do realize that we don't know much at all about what Apollo will bring, right?

svtfmook said:
i think everyone is getting a head of themselves here...
apollo is not going to solve any of the problems with the current wp7 platform's popularity. none of the features listed are really anything the average consumer looks at when buying a new device. wp7's current major downfall, is the developers themselves. the apps are just plain crap. a developer just tosses and app together to a semi-functional state, then puts it on the market. look at the basic apps that work great on ALL platforms except wp7. twitter, facebook, angry birds, spotify, pandora, these are the most popular apps on mobile devices. twitter, doesn't work. facebook, doesn't work. angrybids works, but you don't get seasons, rio, etc. spotify, doesn't work. pandora, non-existent.
the updates with apollo are not going to fix any of these problems. will they make your wp7 experience better? overall, yes. but again, it's not going to provide users with the basic app foundation that users are looking for.
oh, and where in the apollo update is a maps update? great... something else that's really holding wp7 down will not get fixed. we will just need to purchase windows 8, and pay $2+ per app in the marketplace for apps that don't really work that well.
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That is very well said.
It's about the quality of the experience, not things like supporting resolutions.
I mean yes, that's a handicap, but they're still miles behind. The win8 tablet released in October?? Didn't the iPad come out in 2009? I love this platform, but they're so late to the party, it's like they're arriving the next morning when everyone's already long gone.

One day tech people will realize the truth: Tech does not sell Tech.
That is why the iPhone consistently outsells the best selling Android phone in all its highly customizable, multicore, lte, bells and whistles glory. Working well beats bells and whistles anyday.
All WP7 needs is to open more APIs, get more apps, and OEMs push out more phones and they are in the race.

appolo will stacks up really well, right behind ios5 and a mile behind android 4. wp8 might get the market blooming steadily. the bad news is, apollo will be mile behind ios6 and year from the next android.

svtfmook said:
i think everyone is getting a head of themselves here...
apollo is not going to solve any of the problems with the current wp7 platform's popularity. none of the features listed are really anything the average consumer looks at when buying a new device. wp7's current major downfall, is the developers themselves. the apps are just plain crap. a developer just tosses and app together to a semi-functional state, then puts it on the market. look at the basic apps that work great on ALL platforms except wp7. twitter, facebook, angry birds, spotify, pandora, these are the most popular apps on mobile devices. twitter, doesn't work. facebook, doesn't work. angrybids works, but you don't get seasons, rio, etc. spotify, doesn't work. pandora, non-existent.
the updates with apollo are not going to fix any of these problems. will they make your wp7 experience better? overall, yes. but again, it's not going to provide users with the basic app foundation that users are looking for.
oh, and where in the apollo update is a maps update? great... something else that's really holding wp7 down will not get fixed. we will just need to purchase windows 8, and pay $2+ per app in the marketplace for apps that don't really work that well.
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I was thinking the same way, when the developers from the big company don't really care about the apps for Windows Phone, (even XDA, don't blame me, just look at the Premium Apps, it hasn't been updated forever) .
Just because the marketshare of Windows Phone isn't big, and hey, Developers are people trying to make money too , right? And They sell apps, and of course, they want to sell their best product at the crowd .
Unless Microsoft can turn this around first, and now with Nokia, i hope we can have something better, when people now actually put Windows Phone in their list of choice. (Windows Mobile was completely ignored) .
So no matter what, i am gonna stick with Windows Phone for now.

svtfmook said:
i think everyone is getting a head of themselves here...
apollo is not going to solve any of the problems with the current wp7 platform's popularity. none of the features listed are really anything the average consumer looks at when buying a new device. wp7's current major downfall, is the developers themselves. the apps are just plain crap. a developer just tosses and app together to a semi-functional state, then puts it on the market. look at the basic apps that work great on ALL platforms except wp7. twitter, facebook, angry birds, spotify, pandora, these are the most popular apps on mobile devices. twitter, doesn't work. facebook, doesn't work. angrybids works, but you don't get seasons, rio, etc. spotify, doesn't work. pandora, non-existent.
the updates with apollo are not going to fix any of these problems. will they make your wp7 experience better? overall, yes. but again, it's not going to provide users with the basic app foundation that users are looking for.
oh, and where in the apollo update is a maps update? great... something else that's really holding wp7 down will not get fixed. we will just need to purchase windows 8, and pay $2+ per app in the marketplace for apps that don't really work that well.
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akachay said:
appolo will stacks up really well, right behind ios5 and a mile behind android 4. wp8 might get the market blooming steadily. the bad news is, apollo will be mile behind ios6 and year from the next android.
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winmo was on par with current android iterations. Android is an always outdated unfunny joke.

I can't wait. I'm holding off buying some rubbish Android phone until the Apollo phones come out.
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Just can't wait for Apollo and hoping beta comes in June/July like Mango... OMG

svtfmook said:
the developers themselves. the apps are just plain crap. a developer just tosses and app together to a semi-functional state, then puts it on the market.
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That describes Android perfectly.
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akachay said:
appolo will stacks up really well, right behind ios5 and a mile behind android 4. wp8 might get the market blooming steadily. the bad news is, apollo will be mile behind ios6 and year from the next android.
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So Gingerbread is miles ahead of Froyo, and ICS is miles ahead of Gingergread? I bet even most Android people would say no.
iOS 5 I may be inclined to give you as being far ahead of 4.3 because of the camera from lock, notification bar, pseudo-widgets, and it brought Siri. But look how many borrowed ideas that had.
Windows Phone will be miles behind Android in sales, phone offering, specs, and apps.
Windows Phone will be miles behind iOS in sales and apps.
Android will be miles behind iOS in sales per device.
What this tells me is if the Lumia series could land in the US with a big carrier at the right time in its development cycle (Apollo) it will be the second most popular phone after the iPhone. More popular than a Galaxy S phone. Honestly, Android has alot of issues. Apple suits. Oracle suits.

nicksti said:
What this tells me is if the Lumia series could land in the US with a big carrier at the right time in its development cycle (Apollo) it will be the second most popular phone after the iPhone. More popular than a Galaxy S phone. Honestly, Android has alot of issues. Apple suits. Oracle suits.
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you honestly think consumers care that apple, google, and microsoft are suing each other when they, the consumer, goes to buy a phone ? do sales numbers reflect your belief in proportion to lawsuit wins/losses or some other metric ?
please, before you delusion yourself any further, do this:
conduct a post-sales survey of people walking out of bestbuy (or your favorite retailer) with the following three questions.
1) did you base your purchase on current lawyers' success, or the shiny screen ?
2) would you please name the last three court decisions which re-affirmed you were purchasing the right shiny device today ?
3) who one the superbowl, and which phone did you buy ?
i can guarantee you if you sample 100 random (as random as bestbuy customers walking out of the store on a sunny day are anyway) customers, they will not be able to answer questions number one and two. Number 3 will be a two part answer, so it will reallllllly trip of some folks, and likely take a few minutes. bring your lunch !
while there was some humor involved, hopefully you will see the grounding of the questions in reality and how the majority of people not only do not know the answers, but do not care.
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you mentioned that the lumia may/could land the second place in sales behind the iphone. if you really believe this, you don't need to conduct the survey above. just whistle louder and the voices will go away.

What does Android have that WP7 doesn't?

OK seriously, not trolling, not looking for an argument. I'd just like to legitimately know what I'm missing out by using a WP7 device as my primary phone over an Android handset (or even an iOS one if anyone wants to touch on that). Like what software features I'm missing out on, etc.
My Omnia 7 is the first smart phone I bought for myself, and the first one I've used for an extended period of time. I'm not far off being able to upgrade my handset and I'd really like to hear from some people who've used both. Or if anyone can point me to an article that gives a blow by blow feature set comparison of ICS and WP7.5, that'd be cool too. Also "must have" apps that WP7 lacks.

The good thing is that wp7 going very fast and fluid, which have 2 cores android but not anywhere near equal, Greetings

Demaar said:
OK seriously, not trolling, not looking for an argument. I'd just like to legitimately know what I'm missing out by using a WP7 device as my primary phone over an Android handset (or even an iOS one if anyone wants to touch on that). Like what software features I'm missing out on, etc.
My Omnia 7 is the first smart phone I bought for myself, and the first one I've used for an extended period of time. I'm not far off being able to upgrade my handset and I'd really like to hear from some people who've used both. Or if anyone can point me to an article that gives a blow by blow feature set comparison of ICS and WP7.5, that'd be cool too. Also "must have" apps that WP7 lacks.
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The way things stand right NOW, Android and iOS have more apps to offer and more functionality. That's a given and there's no need to debate the point. However, what you need and what I need are probably worlds apart. What I'm missing in WP7 is not being missed because neither Android or iOS offer it either. That being said, the functionality I really need hasn't been around since Windows Mobile 6.1 and that is a sad statement.

Bugs.
xD
And tons of apps I guess.

A decent kernel, a decent multitask, decent apps, tons of developers, market share, bugs, fragmentation. You feel the difference when youneed to multitask mainly when it comes about chat apps, like Kik and WhatsApp. The WP7 multitasking is awful ;/
You receive the message, hold the back, reopen the same instance of the app, and the message doesnt show up. So you need to close the app and open again to see it.
I love the whole OS but the mulstitask. Otherwise, Android sucks so bad.

Hmm.. Android
- always gives you a choice!
- allows you to open, save any file you want
- allows you to send any file via e-mail not only picture (sic!)
- allows you to use USSD codes and menus (WP supports only one way USSD queries) (to explain USSD are codes that are "dialed" to check balance, activate services and so on)
- allows you to send files over bluetooth and connect to devices like GPS and other that require serial port profile
- is extensible - consider "share this" functionality.. on android every application can register itself to handle specific type of actions - so if you decide to share a link to currently browsed page you can perform "share" action and you will be given a choice of any app that is installed. in WP you can only use services that Microsoft has implemented (only pictures can be shared by any app)
- can open any file or url with specific app - app can register to handle specific file types or url schemes - so if you navigate to something that begins with http://youtube... you are given a choice whether you want to open this in browser or with youtube app.. or whaterver is installed
- supports single sign on - note that if you use google apps like google reader, gmail, g+ you define your google account only once. In WP you have to provide credentials to every app (like skydrive - by microsoft - it requires to provide live credentials despite the fact that you have already set up your live account in system settings) stupid and unconvenient
- has much better apps and cheaper! in my opinion most of apps in WP marketplace are crap... (early days?)
- sometimes is screwed by manufacturers (like somsung with its ugly touchwizz)...
- fully supports mms
- works out of box, but if feel advanced allows you to tune it
- isn't always so smooth... but hey.. depends on the app - there are many WP7 apps that aren't so smooth as the "main" UI.... it is not the platform!!! it is developers that are responsible for writing it right!
- real multi tasking - real background services with no weird restrictions like in WP7 (they say its because of battery/performance reasons - bull****... see below).
- decent api that allows to create usefull apps
- ...
I'm using lumia 800 for a month now.. and can't wait till i get my HTC One S and will be back to android (was using nexus s).
And one thing.. as for lumia 800. Even with newest firmware this thing SUCKS as it goes to batter life.. 18h this is the max what i managed to get having 3 push email accounts, twitter and facebook (+facebook chat). This is crap... really.
With nexus s I can get 36h+ with no problems.
If you have any further questions - ask.

Multitasking that doesn't suck

We don't have bugs, few of us have short battery life, (my gs2 lasted less than an hour), we don't have lag, we don't have a virus-riddled marketplace, did I mention lag?

mikeeam said:
A decent kernel...
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Whole new Kernel coming in <1 yr.
emdzej said:
- allows you to send files over bluetooth and connect to devices like GPS and other that require serial port profile
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Why connect your phone to a GPS when it already comes with a FREE GPS app and maps of the entire world? It's less clutter to just use one device.
Demaar said:
What does Android have that WP7 doesn't?
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I don't use andriod but I checked it out before purchasing my Lumia 900. The obvious difference is Windows Phone is missing Apps. The other thing is apparently multitasking is currently better on Andriod.
Of course with Windows Phone you miss out on this...
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sitizenx said:
Whole new Kernel coming in <1 yr.
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Still we don't know if current devices are upgradable.
sitizenx said:
Why connect your phone to a GPS when it already comes with a FREE GPS app and maps of the entire world? It's less clutter to just use one device.
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It was just an example, there are a lot of devices that can be connected via bluetooth. Maybe this is not common but to give you example: lego mindstorms nxt
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Of course with Windows Phone you miss out on this...
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Yep... and with Tango and restrictions for 256MB devices, possible WP8 not for current devices it will begin to be the same with WP... sadly
In general.. it depends what you use your phone for and what you expect.
In my opinion WP is perfect for someone that just uses it call, text, share photos on facebook, but it lacks serious features, and it's API... gosh... it is so limited.
If everyone could use interop, not only "trusted" partners. This could change everything.
I really like WP... but it is not that kind of device I need to use every day.
3rd party apps can not integrate with the phone. I know that Microsoft dosn't want to promote google.. but wouldn't it be nice if someone could write an app that would provide google talk integration in message hub?
I need VOIP... real one, not some ****ty skype that dosn't run in the background, but real SIP. No luck.
WP reminds me times when phones had their own "OS" (not symbian) and apps were j2me...

I don't know your particular needs and what you may be missing as a result, but I can tell you that Office integration via SkyDrive is pretty sweet. Now that SD has a desktop client that syncs a folder (like Dropbox but 7GB for free), I can manage my simple spreadsheets from my phone. I'm in the process now of moving some trackings that I did on paper at a few stores to excel files that I can manage on my phone as needed, or from my computer. This is very handy as far as I'm concerned.
There's a lot to lose going to WP7, depending on your needs, but a lot to gain as well. WP7 makes the perfect "starter" smart phone. I like to geek out on my phones, like any Fandroid, but WP7 just makes me happy to use. I think it's the scrolling.
Good luck in whatever you decide!

Is there a comic book reader yet?
Also its not just the missing apps, the apps that are available are missing key features ie Game Time is missing the stream live games feature. Score Center doesnt have the Watch app to go with it.
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emdzej said:
In general.. it depends what you use your phone for and what you expect.
In my opinion WP is perfect for someone that just uses it call, text, share photos on facebook, but it lacks serious features, and it's API... gosh... it is so limited.
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Really? That's all Windows Phone is good for? What about the FREE GPS app that comes with every Lumia 900 with up to date downloadable maps? That one app is worth far more to me than 100,000 Andriod apps.
I use adobe reader, amazon kindle, a weather app, ebay, whatsapp, check three different email accounts and surf the web on my LTE phone. That's a pretty robust experience. The only thing that really irks me is the lack of good multitasking with whatsapp. I use skype for video calls and it works fine. I have unlimited mobile to mobile minutes so I can call anyone for free in the United States so there is little need for a VOIP service.
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vetvito said:
Is there a comic book reader yet?
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You may find this hard to believe but I haven't checked.

pillsburydoughman said:
Multitasking that doesn't suck
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The funny thing is, I wish the multitasking on my Transformer was more like WP7 with saving the state.
To each their own...

Android has free GPS navigation, it's called Google Maps
Android is open source, so you can see how your phone is running (WP7 does not run on open source).
Android has a much larger development community.
Chevron can't touch our unlocked phones.
Live tiles, while cool, are extremely restrictive. If you don't want Metro UI then you're screwed. In Android, you can run iOS style if you want, or Metro UI or Android UI...your choice.
That's off the top of my head. Windows Phones are fine for people who only want a smartphone for the sake of saying they own a smartphone (much the same demographic as iOS). However, for serious tech enthusiasts and people who just want more out of their device, Android is the way to go.

sitizenx said:
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You may find this hard to believe but I haven't checked.
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Thanks.
To the one mentioning bluetooth file transfer, come on man its 2012. Wifi direct is far superior.
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PoorCollegeGuy said:
Android has free GPS navigation, it's called Google Maps
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Unfortunately as I understand it you can't download whole states or countries to use offline. Big limitation.
PoorCollegeGuy said:
Android is open source, so you can see how your phone is running (WP7 does not run on open source).
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Average user doesn't care. As long as my phone works I have no desire to "see how your phone is running." I also never lift the hood of my car.
PoorCollegeGuy said:
Android has a much larger development community.
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Neither I nor the majority of users care. As long as we get the apps we need we are happy.
PoorCollegeGuy said:
Chevron can't touch our unlocked phones.
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Most phone users don't know what Chevron is or what a developer unlocked phone is.
PoorCollegeGuy said:
Live tiles, while cool, are extremely restrictive.
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Most users don't care. As long as they do their jobs well I don't even notice them.
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If you don't want Metro UI then you're screwed.
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If you don't like Metro then you also don't own a Windows Phone.
PoorCollegeGuy said:
Windows Phones are fine for people who only want a smartphone for the sake of saying they own a smartphone (much the same demographic as iOS). However, for serious tech enthusiasts and people who just want more out of their device, Android is the way to go.
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For 99.9% of us it's a phone. It's not an item to gain techy bragging rights. My Lumia 900 is faster on wireless internet than 99% of Andriod phones out there. So Andriod owners can sit around talking about the number of cores in their phones and meanwhile I'm getting my work done and I'm on my way.

What I have noticed is the lack of apps. Also the lack of phones. The lack of developers. Multitasking is a joke.
What wp7 has that's good? UI, smooth system, its always vanilla (as it should be)
When talking about wp7 vs android vs IPhone android is the the clear winner. Followed by wp7 and iPhone. My first smartphone was an iPhone, then I went to wp7, then android, then iPhone and now I'm android for life.
But that doesn't mean I can't enjoy the Metro UI on my Galaxy Note...
I also run a zune themed music player, wp7 email, and more.
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Orange_furball said:
What I have noticed is the lack of apps. Also the lack of phones. The lack of developers. Multitasking is a joke.
What wp7 has that's good? UI, smooth system, its always vanilla (as it should be)
When talking about wp7 vs android vs IPhone android is the the clear winner. Followed by wp7 and iPhone. My first smartphone was an iPhone, then I went to wp7, then android, then iPhone and now I'm android for life.
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Thats a bold statement. Maybe a tattoo of 'Android for Life' to prove your allegiance? ;p

sitizenx said:
Unfortunately as I understand it you can't download whole states or countries to use offline. Big limitation.
Yes you can, there's guides for it.
Average user doesn't care. As long as my phone works I have no desire to "see how your phone is running." I also never lift the hood of my car.
If you'd read my statement at the bottom, I said WP7 was fine for the "average user who just wants a smartphone for the sake of owning a smartphone". This covers your comment here.
Neither I nor the majority of users care. As long as we get the apps we need we are happy.
I would very much like to see where the majority of users agreed to have you as a spokesman. If you didn't care about that stuff, then why are you on XDA Developers? The point of this website is the aftermarket development of devices. This is where people go when they care about development. The setting this conversation is taking place in directly contradicts your opinion here.
Most phone users don't know what Chevron is or what a developer unlocked phone is.
And that's ultimately why WP7 will forever be inferior to Android in the world of unlocking and rooting.
Most users don't care. As long as they do their jobs well I don't even notice them.
Once again I'd love to see the thread, article, tweet, etc that shows the whole world is behind you on this. One of the biggest and most talked about features on Android are the customizable widgets and making your phone look how you want it. With WP7, you can't do that. You're stuck with tiles whether you like them or not.
If you don't like Metro then you also don't own a Windows Phone.
That's exactly what I said but I meant more as in "even if I liked the features of WP7 over the features of Android, the restrictions of the UI itself may prevent me from getting one". The UI holds the phone back a whole bunch because not everyone likes it. If you don't like your Android UI, you can change it to match a phone you enjoy the UI of more. This gives it mass commercial appeal for both rooted and non rooted users. You are vastly (and I mean vastly) underestimating the impact of customization. If Android wants Metro UI, well as you can see with Orange_furball's post above, you can have it. If you want Android theme or iOS theme on your WP7, then you have to go out and buy one of those devices. It's bass ackwards.
For 99.9% of us it's a phone. It's not an item to gain techy bragging rights. My Lumia 900 is faster on wireless internet than 99% of Andriod phones out there. So Andriod owners can sit around talking about the number of cores in their phones and meanwhile I'm getting my work done and I'm on my way.
Once more, I would like to see your statistics where you can confidently speak for the entire user base. I'd also like to see your statistics where you can speak for 99% of Android phones and their WiFi performance. I'd also like to see your credentials to speak for the Android community as a whole. You seem to be taking a lot of liberties with the opinions of people who have never met you. That doesn't help your argument at all as I will only listen to the opinions of those people, not their opinions as assumed by you.
But for the sake of argument, go check out the OS mobile market shares and you'll find that WP7 is under 10% (I believe even under 5%). So even if you were speaking for "everyone" with WP7, you're still not speaking for the other 95%+ that own a cell phone worldwide.
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If you could say somthing to this guy what would you say to him?

http://davesays.wordpress.com/2012/05/26/windows-phone-sucks/

That he is perfectly entitled to his opinion oh and that he is a complete tool
Its very easy to sum up windows phone in 24hours took me ages to actually work out all the functions and am still surprised by ones I don't know about today, Fan-boys will always be exactly that and he is probably too stubborn to admit anything different from what he is familiar with, As I said a complete tool with no imagination for change or willingness to accept anything other than his comforts, Sheepish behaviour we are all too familiar with these days.

I agree - he was offered an evaluation for 30 days but sent the phone back after 1 day. I don't think he went into the evaluation with an open mind.
Also, his site says "I am NOT an average man ... I enjoy quality cutlery and firearms." Not someone I'd particularly want to argue with

I can sum it up with three words - "get a life".

AndyFZ1S said:
That he is perfectly entitled to his opinion oh and that he is a complete tool
Its very easy to sum up windows phone in 24hours took me ages to actually work out all the functions and am still surprised by ones I don't know about today, Fan-boys will always be exactly that and he is probably too stubborn to admit anything different from what he is familiar with, As I said a complete tool with no imagination for change or willingness to accept anything other than his comforts, Sheepish behaviour we are all too familiar with these days.
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I agree - he was offered an evaluation for 30 days but sent the phone back after 1 day. I don't think he went into the evaluation with an open mind.
Also, his site says "I am NOT an average man ... I enjoy quality cutlery and firearms." Not someone I'd particularly want to argue with
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If he's a man to begin with. NOT an average man? Who does he think he is, Michael Jackson on Thriller?

http://davesays.wordpress.com/2012/05/26/windows-phone-sucks/#comment-19892
1.Dee | May 27, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Err, given your inability to say anything in an objective manor it doesn’t surprise me you have had difficulties adjusting to Windows Phone. It is different, ergo you need to learn. Let me say that again in case it didn’t sink in, Windows Phone is different to an iPhone, and Android, there for YOU have to LEARN.
The fact you ditched it after only a day, the fact you write like a teenage fan-boy and finally the fact that you haven’t been objective from the very first words that littered your blog here tells me and any other sane mature individual that you shouldn’t be doing such reviews any more, its a waste of energy, a waste of time and worst of all, its just plain inaccurate FUD.
Dont give up the day job son, or more likely, get your arse back to school.
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Thats what id say lol

I'd say nothing...never mess with keyboard gangstas, the simple fact that they have a blog just in order to share their worthless and arrogant words about things with complete strangers over the web means that they have some huge ego, which they don't show in real life because they're weak and they would get their arse smashed dealing with real people with real cohones. And they all work in IT, yeah right...
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vnvman said:
I'd say nothing...never mess with keyboard gangstas, the simple fact that they have a blog just in order to share their worthless and arrogant words about things with complete strangers over the web means that they have some huge ego, which they don't show in real life because they're weak and they would get their arse smashed dealing with real people with real cohones. And they all work in IT, yeah right...
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Gangsta? If momma has to pick you up at school or you have to ride the bus to work, you ain't no gangsta. I agree wholeheartedly with the rest of your post, good work.

At first I'd write myseld in rage.. I hate "kids" like this, people that idotic reviews of a new product with the conclusen it's ****ty because it's not like all the other comparable products. I mean only because Anroid looks like iOS, WP hast to do it too? Sure after one day, he knows everything about the Device. And if he'd really want a good navigation software, he'd purchased Navigon (or whatever it's called). Maybe then, maybe later I'd recognise what I'm doing and that there is no point in doing so, because attention is what he wants, and I'd delete my text again.
Afterall I argree with vnvman!
PS: Where do you drown a Hipstar? - In the Mainstream...

His 1st point is a lie...
All new LTE Windows phjones have Visual voicemail.
Old ones do also if the damn carriers would enable them.
His second thing on apps. Purely not true. Drummer roll please....
United Airline app... http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/043c89b2-f869-4306-b012-52a870bf5e72
You can tap to focus the camera... IT focuses where you tap then takes the picture. Why the hell would you focus on something if you were not going to take the damn picture, omg. And you can set it so you don't accidently press the camera buttons in settings. This guy is complete BS.
Xbox games are seperate also Only acheivements are stored for prosterity. IT's not like you can't play one game without playing another.
I'd rather only the time be shown then using the ripp off from android for the notification center.
He complains about MS renaming yet he loves apple that decided not the call the ipad 3 nothing else but the "Ipad". What a marketing mess. WHich ipad do you own? You know i have the ipad. The new or old? I don't know just says ipad.
People like this piss me off.
I don't mind the iphone or android but when they say things that aren't true about other platforms they don't understand, it gets to me.

sinister1 said:
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Well for one I wouldn't post links to his blog. And if I saw a link to his blog I wouldn't click on it. No sense in upping his Google rank.
Frankly if I were to ever speak to him I would say I'm glad you have freedom of speech wherever you live and thank you for not posting to the Windows Phone section of XDA. The guys over in the Andriod section of this forum may be cursing Windows Phone every day. I don't know about it because I don't read that section. To each there own. Everyone is allowed to have an opinion... even if I think their opinion is really dumb. It only bothers me if they keep shoving it in my face for no apparent reason when they don't have anything else to contribute to the platform.

ROCOAFZ said:
His second thing on apps. Purely not true. Drummer roll please....
United Airline app... http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/043c89b2-f869-4306-b012-52a870bf5e72
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Hardly a proper app, have you read the reviews? Charging for crap like this probably does more harm than good to the 'platform'.
"doesnt retain info ...waste of money"
"Rip off. Author is a thief. This is a wrapper for free websites, nothing more than a bookmark. Until a proper app is released, just go to united.com.
"This app sucks"
"Worthless app. Doesn't retain data or keep you logged in. The website is much more user friendly."
"Absolute waste of money. Use the mobile website and you will get a better experience."
Not exactly the best example to defend WP!

As others have already mentioned, this guy is a complete tool.
*No receipt scanning app - I use HandyScan and I love it.
*Populating People Hub with crap contacts from hotmail account - Well... that's what you get for not maintaining your hotmail contacts better. I set a friend up, a few weeks ago, with her first smart phone... the Lumia 710. On her RAZR, she had all her phone numbers. On her hotmail account, she had all her email addresses. Have to manually merge the two. A lengthy, but necessary process that only has to happen once. That this guy can't keep his contacts in good order is clearly NOT my problem.
*Camera functions suck - Yes, there is no question that the iPhone 4s has an amazing camera with good funtionality. Actually using it though is a complete PITA. I was teaching a few friends how to select focus and exposure points on their iPhones. So much work with pressing and long pressing. Oh, and I can't stand having to press the software button to snap the photo. I'm constantly hitting the home button instead of the shutter. It's remarkably awkward and unintuitive. This, however, is only my opinion based upon the fact that I've never own an iPhone and never well, but am quite skilled in how to actually use one.

If the guy doesn't want his Hotmail contacts to show up, it only takes a couple of steps to filter which contacts show up. Using the phone one day, he never gave it a chance.
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Ineedtoys said:
Hardly a proper app, have you read the reviews? Charging for crap like this probably does more harm than good to the 'platform'.
"doesnt retain info ...waste of money"
"Rip off. Author is a thief. This is a wrapper for free websites, nothing more than a bookmark. Until a proper app is released, just go to united.com.
"This app sucks"
"Worthless app. Doesn't retain data or keep you logged in. The website is much more user friendly."
"Absolute waste of money. Use the mobile website and you will get a better experience."
Not exactly the best example to defend WP!
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yes, but he did say there was "none"
Actually i would have used skyscanner or something else but he was saying one specific brand was not there.

As a regular consumer, who cares about what he says.
His false opinions are his own.
For gods sake judging by how he wrote this so-called "review" labels him as an iOS sheep and Android bridge troll, what a goddamn fcking retard.

I laughed so hard at this chaps apparent inability to take on new tech, he really does come across as being a pre teen keyboard warrior.
I for one am glad he doesnt like the OS, WP7 is better off without people who cannot count the amount of appendages they posess.
......................and Darwin slowly turns in his grave.