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Bad News for Skype Users and WP7

Did a search and couldn't find anything but it appears that when the Guys at Skype decided to discontinue Skype for Windows Mobile they also decided that they wouldn't be developing for WP7 any time soon.
David Flynn at apcmag.com said:
Citing a second-rate “user experience” compared to the iPhone and Android, Skype admits it has no immediate plans to release an app for Windows Phone 7.
Skype is working full steam ahead on an app for the iPad and the next-gen iPhone, but users of Windows Phone 7 will have to take a number and wait… and wait… and wait.
Skype’s Asia Pacific Vice-President Dan Neary says that Microsoft’s forthcoming smartphone OS is not a priority when it comes to mobile platforms.
“We try and focus not only where the need is but where the best experience is, and we feel that the best areas for us to develop are on the operating systems that we currently support – iPhone, Symbian, BlackBerry and now Android” Neary told APC during a press briefing in Sydney today. “We simply feel that those operating systems (have) a much better user experience”.
Neary said that while a Skype app for Windows Phone 7 “is on the roadmap, the question is how quickly we’re going to get to it. We feel that we are best best deployed on other operating systems (for now) and we’ll see how the space evolves.”
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screw skype then, does windows mobile messenger support voice chat?

C'mon now
The main part of this article was about Skype abandoning development for the current WinMobile (6.5). They were talking about which platforms were currently supported. Why would they be talking about an app for an OS that hasn't been released yet.

lordcanti86 said:
The main part of this article was about Skype abandoning development for the current WinMobile (6.5). They were talking about which platforms were currently supported. Why would they be talking about an app for an OS that hasn't been released yet.
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err...I interpreted it differently...to me it sounds like they're not going to bother for a while.
Neary said that while a Skype app for Windows Phone 7 “is on the roadmap, the question is how quickly we’re going to get to it. We feel that we are best best deployed on other operating systems (for now) and we’ll see how the space evolves.”
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Skype’s Asia Pacific Vice-President Dan Neary says that Microsoft’s forthcoming smartphone OS is not a priority when it comes to mobile platforms.
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..sound to me like they'll wait to see how well the platform takes off before considering beginning development.

welki1979 said:
err...I interpreted it differently...to me it sounds like they're not going to bother for a while.
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..sound to me like they'll wait to see how well the platform takes off before considering beginning development.
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Which is fine. Either wp7 will be successful and they will port it over ~3 months after release. Or wp7 will fail and it wouldn't matter either way if skype existed or not.
As an aside, anyone came across any information about kin sales?

gom99 said:
As an aside, anyone came across any information about kin sales?
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Actually yes, but its 3rd party info. I have a friend at that Carphone place... they've had a briefing on the Kin range and are expecting units to be released to them late july apparently.
I tried to get some sort of confirmation of this but as yet all I've managed to find out came from one of the shop staff who made a comment about them being late or something. (not really sure it was mumbled quietly as he walked off)
Suprisingly enough though there is nothing on the GSM Arena site despite the fact that the HTC Mondrian is listed there (a WP7 phone).

gom99 said:
Which is fine. Either wp7 will be successful and they will port it over ~3 months after release. Or wp7 will fail and it wouldn't matter either way if skype existed or not.
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And if every developer thinks like this, there will be zero apps for WP7 when it launches --> nobody will buy it, cause it has no apps --> nobody will make apps for it, cause it has no users --> ...
And by the way, Skype is not alone. So far I have not seen one developer, who thinks the tools offered are enough to make good applications (that means, stuff that does a little more than farts).
Silverlight etc. is fine and all, but now is not the right time for Microsoft to start over like this, hecause the competition is too far ahead. They should improve upon what they have, and make a slow transition to the new tools etc. when they can afford it.
But now it's too late anyway, they already dumped everything they had.

shaundalglish said:
And if every developer thinks like this, there will be zero apps for WP7 when it launches --> nobody will buy it, cause it has no apps --> nobody will make apps for it, cause it has no users --> ...
And by the way, Skype is not alone. So far I have not seen one developer, who thinks the tools offered are enough to make good applications (that means, stuff that does a little more than farts).
Silverlight etc. is fine and all, but now is not the right time for Microsoft to start over like this, hecause the competition is too far ahead. They should improve upon what they have, and make a slow transition to the new tools etc. when they can afford it.
But now it's too late anyway, they already dumped everything they had.
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The problem is that trying to maintain backwards compatibility with all those apps that were designed for stylus input and resistive touch screens was what allowed the competition to get so far ahead in the first place. The only thing they could have done was to start over because that forces developers to redevelop apps that are designed for finger input, compactive touch screens, and work better with the new OS.

shaundalglish said:
And if every developer thinks like this, there will be zero apps for WP7 when it launches --> nobody will buy it, cause it has no apps --> nobody will make apps for it, cause it has no users --> ...
And by the way, Skype is not alone. So far I have not seen one developer, who thinks the tools offered are enough to make good applications (that means, stuff that does a little more than farts).
Silverlight etc. is fine and all, but now is not the right time for Microsoft to start over like this, hecause the competition is too far ahead. They should improve upon what they have, and make a slow transition to the new tools etc. when they can afford it.
But now it's too late anyway, they already dumped everything they had.
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Maybe you should look at the videos from MWC and MIX 2010, then you'll see that there are some quite amazing apps in development. They demonstrated a Netflix, an Associated Press, a Seesmic, a Shazam and MLS app and a bunch of games. You can expect apps from EA Mobile, Fandango, Pandora, Foursquare, IMDB, Namco, PopCap Games, Photobucket and SPB Software just to name a few (that list is a bit longer than that) and because the developer tools are already available I expect many many more apps than that.

"Amazing"? lol yeah if bling bling is all you want...

shaundalglish said:
"Amazing"? lol yeah if bling bling is all you want...
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So Netflix is bling bling? Or a game like The Harvester is also just bling bling? What about Shazam?

Oh come on... Shazam is always the first app that gets ported to any new OS, because there's nothing complicated about it. Games are of course just bling bling. And 96% of the world's population couldn't care less about Netflix.
I just prefer functionality, that's all. WP7 is not going to deliver this.

shaundalglish said:
I just prefer functionality, that's all. WP7 is not going to deliver this.
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You mean to say that you believe it's not going to deliver the functionality that you deem to be important. It's still going to be a great communication, social networking, maps/navigation, multimedia and gaming platform and that's what most people want from their smartphones these days. I agree with you that WP7 is missing quite a bit of features, but I don't think those missing features are deal breakers for the average consumer.

No it's not going to deliver a lot of functionality at all, regardless of which features I personally use.

shaundalglish said:
No it's not going to deliver a lot of functionality at all, regardless of which features I personally use.
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what features are those?
Also calling something a fart app or bling bling is misleading. The majority of apps people actually consume fall into that category.
Not that I disagree with what you're trying to say but many of the advanced apps of windows mobile are just hacks to correct the lacking default user experience of wm. I do think you're being too hardlined though.
but I definitely don't like some decisions they're making with some of the current advanced features. eg: file system, data storage, side loading.

The problems as I see it is that the APIs is to poor at the moment.
No sockets support -> Some apps will have serious problems, e.g. Skype.
No way to access Bluetooth.
Very limited access to media.
This are the main things that make me doubt on this platform. I'm fine with it being locked down, just not too much.

Should we really be bothered by such trivial issue?There are better alternative apps like Fring and Nimbuzz that perfectly connects to the skype node,allowing you to still skype and be skyped.

blackrider said:
Should we really be bothered by such trivial issue?There are better alternative apps like Fring and Nimbuzz that perfectly connects to the skype node,allowing you to still skype and be skyped.
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Except Fring won't be possible in WP7 either. Skype is a proprietary P2P protocol, and implementing it would require ability to manipulate sockets. One could possibly implement an http version of a client that would connect to a central server and then the server would communicate with other Skype users, but that would be difficult, costly and ultimately useless because it would only serve as a temporary workaround until socket support comes to WP7 APIs.

vangrieg said:
Except Fring won't be possible in WP7 either. Skype is a proprietary P2P protocol, and implementing it would require ability to manipulate sockets. One could possibly implement an http version of a client that would connect to a central server and then the server would communicate with other Skype users, but that would be difficult, costly and ultimately useless because it would only serve as a temporary workaround until socket support comes to WP7 APIs.
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Socket support for WP7 will come later but is not in initial release.

havox22 said:
Socket support for WP7 will come later but is not in initial release.
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Hopefully they'll hurry up, since I'm fear that I (and many others) will stand without good/any music support.
I'm a big user of Spotify, a streaming music service, which I'm sure will require Sockets to work, because it's Superior responsiveness is based on a P2P protocol. Before anyone say anything else, the phones won't share the media, but they'll download from desktop clients.
Hopefully they'll release some custom version anyway. Responsiveness won't be a problem on Mobile devices where most people have the "important" stuff in Offline cache anyways.

Is there anything good about WP7

Ok now... we all have heard whats bad, or not so good or what can be improved with WP7.
But on the other hand anyone has good news for all of us to contiune with windows and not jump ship to android or iPhone. At the moment I dont see the why I would want to buy an WP7 yet! maybe in few years when it matures as an OS.

Windows phone 7 gives you a lot of choice in hardware devices, unlike the iPhone, unless you don't mind being stuck with one manufacture (see how that turned bad with the iPhone 4 reception issue). I think this is a big point especially for people who like physical keyboards and different shapes or colours.
Now you are thinking "Android offers a wide range of hardware as well, so what is the difference?" One thing if find bad about the Android ecosystem is OS fragmentation. I know being open source is a big plus, but in this case it backfired because anyone can put the OS on any device, so we ended up with a lot of devices not getting upgraded by their OEMs/carriers rather than let Google handle updating devices.
Microsoft is tackling this problem by putting minimum device requirements so that any update Microsoft releases, it can be easily pushed to all kinds of devices.
So overall, I think Microsoft is approching this market in a balanced manner, they are not extermly closed (think Apple) nor very open (Google). Which is a good thing for developers and end users.
There are a lot of other things, like Windows Live and Xbox integration (if you care about those).

From a developer point of view, it's also the most attractive mobile platform that ever been made. It's amazingly easy to make complex apps and games, and it's a standard way of doing it, opposed to iPhone and Android's "lets reinvent the wheel" technologies.
Plus, it's the only phone development environment that have a visual editor (Expression Blend), which is a big plus for rapid development.
(Not to mention, you don't have to buy a Mac to code for it!)
From a consumer point of view, it's a strong phone, works with all existing services, specially all Microsoft ones, but also all the others. It'll be the first phone with Windows Live Messenger available on, and Zune integration.
Basically you get all the power of Microsofts platforms, in a single device, without the limitations of Apple. Everybody who's used to using Windows will get a greater experience with this phone, than any other phone on the market.
So it's a win/win/win, situation

I'm getting one just for the fact it has Zune on it, this alone makes it worthy of a purchase if you use multimedia heavily.

Also I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the things the OP consider "bad" is what the majority considers "good"

Windcape said:
So it's a win/win/win, situation
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Hahaha.
Good points.

The biggest thing is the UI. Frankly put; it's innovative, attractive, intuitive, and just works really well. When you get your hands on one and play around with it for a few minutes you'll see.

I'm stoked about Window Phone 7. I know if won't have as much freedom out the door as Windows 6.5 but I've seen the demo's and from what I can see it looks great. Here's my top 10 good list:
1. Actual Xbox Live integration with achievements
2. Finger Friendly
3. Sharp modern UI
4. Hubs that bring in a multitude of information that covers the work of many apps, but all in one place.
5. Good minimum requirements
6. Easy and well thought out development tools.
7. Everything about Zune all in one Hub.
8. Great Social networking integration
9. Multiple exchange accounts, emails and calendars.
10. Great use of Office on mobile.

What draws me to WP7 is really metro. I've tinkered a lot with windows phones over the years leveraging different UIs, skins, themes, etc. But really my favorite UI for my phone thus far has been titanium. I prefer the typography. Being that wp7 is a titanium enhancement, it suites me very well.
darkmurder said:
I'm getting one just for the fact it has Zune on it, this alone makes it worthy of a purchase if you use multimedia heavily.
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You should be able to use Zune with any windows phone. I have zune pass and use my omnia II to play the drm music, so you don't have to wait for wp7 to have a "zune" phone.

WTB Zune Pass in Europe already!

Windcape said:
WTB Zune Pass in Europe already!
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It's great, my only compliant is that you have to backup your mp3s if you purchase them or when you use your credits. It doesn't let you redownload them, probably because of some legal nonsense.
It's not too bad with 25GB from Skydrive, and using the Gladinet client to map your cloud drive to a physical drive.

let's stop being "real" and start being realistic
I have a vague feeling that people on this topic are working for the Microsoft development team...
as a faithful user of the most advanced pocketpc ever built ever since it launched (htc universal or jasjar) I'll just reply to those "strengths"
First ond foremost, the windows mobile had its success because users were able to hack it and expand it BEYOND of what they payed for. if we limited ourselves to what M$ provided, this site wouldn't exist and the HTC would have gone bankrupt.
1. Actual Xbox Live integration with achievements
You have Xbox and yet you are going to be playing on a phone?
2. Finger Friendly
in addition to every single SW company having developed the touch finger application keyboard, there are devices with their own keyboards, which actually work MUCH better then the touch mode ever will because you can feel the keys and you're able to predict where the next one is, at least until they invent the physically morphing touch screen.
3. Sharp modern UI
simplistic doesn't mean modern....ever! there is a FLAT SQUARE and Arial TEXT on it...that's a post-it for retarded. SPB mobile shell for instance gave the smooth design and modern hi-tech look to 6.1 phones. their only limitation was the processor and the memory. but that's how the digital revolution started - microsoft made ever more demanding OSes and Intel made processors to match. If you start spinning in circles around an antiquated graphics and limited applications, why would they innovate?
4. Hubs that bring in a multitude of information that covers the work of many apps, but all in one place.
apps that cannot be made by anyone else without a license by microsoft. and no one is using microsoft products on their pocketpc's because they are inefficient, large and expensive.
5. Good minimum requirements
nokia's s40 phones require even less resources, and offer greater UI, usability and stability. and they are as customizeable as the win 7, and yet people don't seriously consider using them as a PDA capable to integrate with the market's dominant and upcoming applications.
6. Easy and well thought out development tools.
We'll see...
7. Everything about Zune all in one Hub.
Zune is a MUSIC PLAYER! PERIOD! it's function is to play music! what everything?
8. Great Social networking integration
if you're referring to that travesty of facebook integration, I used the Windows Live Messenger Beta and let me tell you how it works: the system makes assumptions that videos and most popular items demand our attention, and they are in big, while the rest is small, so it's not about keeping track of your friends, it's about flashing content to a moron public.
9. Multiple exchange accounts, emails and calendars.
Will we be able to activesync our device over the wi-fi or via internet??
10. Great use of Office on mobile.
I would gladly pay good money to see a microsoft developer use a touch-only phone to create and modify a corporate-standard excel or even word file...

Dude you are in the wrong thread.
This is where you should post -> WP7 is complete FAIL
vk2000 said:
I have a vague feeling that people on this topic are working for the Microsoft development team...
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Take of your foilhat.

vk2000 said:
I have a vague feeling that people on this topic are working for the Microsoft development team...
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I'm not, but I'll apply for a position in 2 years time when I'm finished with my second bachelor.
vk2000 said:
if we limited ourselves to what M$ provided, this site wouldn't exist
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Funny, I thought that Windows Mobile development was the original topic of xda-developers. It's not like the name itself says so, no no.
vk2000 said:
1. Actual Xbox Live integration with achievements
You have Xbox and yet you are going to be playing on a phone?
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Yes. Welcome to 2010.
vk2000 said:
3. Sharp modern UI
simplistic doesn't mean modern....ever! there is a FLAT SQUARE and Arial TEXT on it...that's a post-it for retarded. SPB mobile shell for instance gave the smooth design and modern hi-tech look to 6.1 phones. their only limitation was the processor and the memory. but that's how the digital revolution started - microsoft made ever more demanding OSes and Intel made processors to match. If you start spinning in circles around an antiquated graphics and limited applications, why would they innovate?
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I see you have zero experience in usability or design. Go read some Jakob Nielsen, and come back when you find yourself in a suitable position to discuss usability design on phones.
vk2000 said:
4. Hubs that bring in a multitude of information that covers the work of many apps, but all in one place.
apps that cannot be made by anyone else without a license by microsoft. and no one is using microsoft products on their pocketpc's because they are inefficient, large and expensive.
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Clearly you been living in a cave for the last five years. The developer license also grants you the ability to host your applications on the marketplace, and is common practice for all mobile developers. Even Google have it for Android.
vk2000 said:
5. Good minimum requirements
nokia's s40 phones r equire even less resources, and offer greater UI, usability and stability. and they are as customizeable as the win 7, and yet people don't seriously consider using them as a PDA capable to integrate with the market's dominant and upcoming applications.
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See again you completely misunderstood what the customers want. And the minimum requirements is so you don't get ****ty phones like all Android devices from 2009 / early 2010.
vk2000 said:
6. Easy and well thought out development tools.
We'll see...
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No, we already seen. Visual Studio and Expression Blend goes years back, and is popular and known development tools. Microsoft have the largest developer community on earth (MSDN), and they are so far the only who managed to actually create so much community around their technology and tools. Even the Linux community can't follow here.
And most of the developers in MSDN are professionals, so it's used for solving real-life problems. And if you're a consumer, and not a developer, you won't understand the importance of this.
Also XNA available on WP7 means it's the first phone with a gaming framework available from day one.
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7. Everything about Zune all in one Hub.
Zune is a MUSIC PLAYER! PERIOD! it's function is to play music! what everything?
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No, Zune is a online music-service, a desktop music player ,and a music-player device. And in WP7, the online service and desktop client will work along with the phone. A lot of us like to use our smartphones for music, for example, while biking to work or studies.
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8. Great Social networking integration
if you're referring to that travesty of facebook integration, I used the Windows Live Messenger Beta and let me tell you how it works: the system makes assumptions that videos and most popular items demand our attention, and they are in big, while the rest is small, so it's not about keeping track of your friends, it's about flashing content to a moron public.
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Microsoft don't make assumptions, they got detailed statistics over the functionality people use in Windows Live Messenger. Just because you don't behave like the other 300 million users, doesn't make it wrong.
It's designed for the average consumer, and they done a very good job with that. More consumers = more people to buy our apps = more money for us.
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9. Multiple exchange accounts, emails and calendars.
Will we be able to activesync our device over the wi-fi or via internet??
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Both
vk2000 said:
10. Great use of Office on mobile.
I would gladly pay good money to see a microsoft developer use a touch-only phone to create and modify a corporate-standard excel or even word file...
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Phones are less meant for modify, as for accessing the information in the said data.
It's handy if you're on the road, and want to pull out some data to compare with people you're discussing with or similar.

vk2000
3. Sharp modern UI
simplistic doesn't mean modern....ever! there is a FLAT SQUARE and Arial TEXT on it...that's a post-it for retarded.
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You nail that one!

Actually the font is Segoe WP. And the flat squares will be replaced with images and partially display icons among others.
Which makes it even better than just a bunch of techno-color icons.

clearly you guys are either very young or like to suck up to your (hoped) employer a lot
quoting the only author you know, doesn't make you smart, it makes you a charlatan. you should find a good dictionary if you don't know what that word is, since you clearly don't understand what I am saying anyway.
If you're going to play games on something small, you should buy a PSP
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I've been following the IT development ever since I was 8 and computers ran on Windows 3.11
I don't require a degree in design to state clearly as a user who is going to pay 300-1000 euros, that a PDA should be
1) USABLE
2) reliable
3) USABLE
4) customizable and upgradeable
the fact that people are buying does not mean that the product is good, they're either poised with offensive marketing, like apple does, or they don't have any better choice! Statistics are meaningless more often then not, and you would know their significance if you studied statistics, 4 different types of sociology, macroeconomics and international financial relations, on your way to your M.Sc., like I did
games on the phone existed since Sun decided to make Java for mobile markets, so... a decade of "nothing new" to you . if windows 7 was able to reach the sophistication of the mobile gaming consoles, it would have been something, otherwise it's a child's toy, not suitable for business!
given you know nothing about the mobile market before you learned to talk and talk-back, I'm not surprised you would be satisfied even with yet another shade of "solitaire"
and as for my design capabilities, my photographic portfolio and web-design are always a winner what do you got to offer besides a big tongue and lack of arguments?

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Actually the font is Segoe WP. And the flat squares will be replaced with images and partially display icons among others.
Which makes it even better than just a bunch of techno-color icons.
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we went from 3d transparent and interactive icons BACK to a SQUARE 1, junior...
you should familiarize yourself with the hard work of so many people on this forum who are trying to change the OS from "default to outstanding" for free and for the benefit of everyone

So you think your personal preferences makes up for the 300 million target users that Microsoft have in the Windows Live and Zune cloud?
You think you can invalidate a business-model just because someone done something similar before? You think the phone sucks because you don't like it, even you haven't got the slightest idea how it works, how to develop for it or how to sell applications for it (or for phones in general).
From a consumer, business and software-engineering point of view, WP7 is damn near perfect.
So how about you let us know how old you actually are, and what you actually study, if you absolutely want to include personal attacks in your qq'ing.

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we went from 3d transparent and interactive icons BACK to a SQUARE 1, junior...
you should familiarize yourself with the hard work of so many people on this forum who are trying to change the OS from "default to outstanding" for free and for the benefit of everyone
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And do you have any idea why they did this? Have you ever read a usability study of a smartphone? Have you ever done a usability study of any device, or interface at all?
Or could it be that the professionals know more than you do.

GSMARENA is a ..beeeb.. . Pigs!

Hey!!! Just see new GSMARENA review about Windows Phone 7 that published Today:
http://www.gsmarena.com/windows_phone_7-review-521.php
i think a noob kid write this review:
Main disadvantages:
No system-wide file manager
No videocalling
Limited third-party apps
No Bluetooth file transfers
No USB mass storage mode
No memory card support
No multitasking
No copy paste
Too dependent on Zune software for computer file management and syncing
No music player equalisers
No Flash or Silverlight support in the web browser
No sign of free Bing maps Navigation so far
No DivX/XviD video support
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from today, nobody will trust gsmarena

lol talk about being a noob, why not take the time to refute his points instead of slobering all over the keyboard?
just a thought

They also said a lot of good things about WP7. Don't forget that.

There's nothing to refute about these points. Absolutely awesome, amazing review! GSMArena know their business.
Final Words
Windows Phone 7 is a great OS. Windows Mobile tried to squeeze a desktop-like OS in your pocket but that never quite worked. The seventh iteration of Microsoft’s mobile operating system takes a different approach – instead of loads of features through a complicated (and not very well thought out) user interface, it puts simplicity and usability first and then tries to add as much functionality as possible without making a mess out of the whole thing.
And it has worked – Windows Phone 7 looks like nothing we’ve ever used before, yet we never felt lost or confused. The most obvious thing works 80% of the time and the few tips sprinkled here and there taught us nice but not so obvious tricks without getting in the way.
Speaking of looks, Windows Phone 7 has unique aesthetics. Parts of it are absolutely gorgeous. It stays away from the faux 3D look for interface elements and instead keeps things flat but visually appealing. It’s the kind of look you’d find in a magazine or a well designed minimalist web site.
Sure there were some of us that didn’t like it. All the superfluous animations, UI elemnts flying in or out, they seemed too much at times. Not to mention those big headings that never did fit on a single screen.
Well, for those of you that feel attracted by the new Windows Phone looks, we’ll just say you’d be glad that it not only looks good but it’s also really simple to use. All the UI elements are designed so that the essential things draw your eye in while less important bits and pieces are smaller to avoid distraction.
But this level of simplicity is also limiting. Sure, you can do most things alright but some things are just out of reach. Copy and paste for one, even the limited number of colors for highlighting in Word, the inability to manage files that the phone doesn’t support and so on.
It’s not just the UI limitations though – the OS has limits too. We couldn’t even connect the phone in mass storage mode and the lack of Flash or Silverlight in the web browser was disappointing. To get rid of multitasking after all these years is a questionable move too, but not necessarily a deal breaker. It didn’t get in the iPhone’s way to success, did it?
Hubs are a great idea that will reduce the dependence on multitasking – a hub will aggregate related content from different apps, so there’s no need to switch between them. However, we’re a little worried that they might go the way of the Live folders in Android. They were another great UI idea, but most vendors and app makers tend to keep their content to their own apps.
The same thing might happen to Windows Phone 7 and its hubs – there are plenty of reasons for app makers to want you to use their app rather than have it share a hub with multiple others apps (brand recognition, ads, you name it).
If Microsoft was to put Windows Phone 7 on phones of the Kin kind, they would have been a hot sale. Great interface with seamless Facebook integration sprinkled with a few other handy services like the Zune Marketplace and SkyDrive.
However, the imposed minimum hardware requirements for a phone to qualify for WP7, practically guarantee that each and every one of them will be an expensive high-end phone.
And if you’re paying big, you’d expect high-end functionality. But Windows Phone 7 falls short of expectations on several occasions – Android 2.x and iOS 4.x will wipe the floor with it as far as power users are concerned.
For Facebook, web browsing and music though it’s the cream of the crop. There are no WP7 phones officially unveiled yet so we can’t be certain of pricing, but carrier subsidies will probably be a must.
And while 1GHz CPU and a high-res screen command a high price right now, Microsoft has its eye on the future. In a couple of years those minimum requirements will move to the mid range and Windows Phone 7 will have had time to make its name as a guarantee for a solid user experience.
So, in the short term WP7 won’t overshadow Android or iOS, but it will be big in the future. Some market analysts even predict that it will push Microsoft’s mobile OS market share to iOS levels by 2014 (with 2010 all but gone, that’s just 3-4 years in the future).
Now we just have to sit tight and wait for the official WP7 unveiling event this upcoming Monday, on 11 October, 02:00PM, London time. You can bet we’ll be covering it for you.
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anhyeuemmaimai said:
lol talk about being a noob, why not take the time to refute his points instead of slobering all over the keyboard?
just a thought
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The OS will ship with thousands of apps and it's only dependent on the zune software when it comes to media.

Maybe it was just me but I thought there review was excellent... I mean it was 7 pages long and picked every little thing about the OS apart. Whenever I want a review that is almost completely unbiased and very well done, I always go to gsm arena. If you look at most of their cons, they are pretty valid points. You don't have to agree with them that they're big enough to make you want to not buy the phone, but they are valid cons.

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There's nothing to refute about these points. Absolutely awesome, amazing review! GSMArena know their business.
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dear. 95% of gsmarena's readers are not professional...
noob users just see first page and say: wow! windows phone dont have copy and paste! wow . windows phone 7 don't have multi tasking. i hate it
this is xda and alls are professional... but...
i am moderator in bigest irani forum about mobile.(mobilestan . net) .. after this review all noob users say: "hmmm i hate windows phone because it dont have copy paste and multi tasking and video calling and .... ! so we migrate to android.... "
who say that windows phone dont have copy paste and multi tasking and ... ?
these are lie

well... whats wrong with the review.. it is the obvious truth.. isnt that what a review is all about. Tell all good and bad... and let ppl decide.. good on ya GSM..

I thought it was a great review. I'd also love to see the platform hit 25% user base, that'd be a nice load of apps.
I'll tell you what, if you told me a year ago that I'd be an avid Bing user, migrating most of my Gmail actions to Hotmail, and being absolutely pumped about the idea of a Microsoft phone, I'd have slapped you and called you crazy. I dig Microsoft's direction lately.

Honestly, it's one of the best reviews ever.

Great and correct review.

The Best Apps from IOS/Android not in the Marketplace

These are some of the Apps I would like to see in the WP7 marketplace
Bump
WhatsAPP
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Layer
Paypal
Word Lens
Lose IT
Around ME
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These are some of the Apps I would like to see in the WP7 marketplace
Bump - I'd like this app, or a built in 'send contact' option in the OS.
WhatsAPP -Kik (similar to whatsapp) is coming in the next few weeks supposedly. But would also be nice to see WhatsAPP. I imagine we will start to see more of the 3rd party messengers come Mango, which is when we will see some decent IM clients as well.
Fring - These will likely also come with Mango which gives full camera API support to dev's.
Layer - was shown at MIX11 by Joe Belfiore, and is coming this Fall with Mango's necessary API's (as will pretty much all other augmented reality apps).
Paypal - sure why not.
Word Lens - sure why not
Lose IT - don't use any of these types, but sure why not!
Around ME - Around Me, Urban Spoon ect would be nice additions. There are some pretty decent ones already in the marketplace, but I'd like to see some more.
what would you guys like to see ??? - mostly an official Google Voice app (or one that functions like an official one would.....Mango API's should allow this to happen pretty quickly).
most of the other things I wanted are coming with Mango as described above (augmented reality apps, IM/3rd party messegers, skype/fring ect) so other than just seeing more quality apps, I want MS to add features. I'm eagerly awaiting their announcement of the "Consumer" side of the Mango features.
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what are you doing until mango ?

Personally I would love for the Gameloft/Gamevil games to make their way to the marketplace. Only thing I miss about iOS is Zenonia series and Dungeon Hunter.

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what are you doing until mango ?
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LOL...well said,you made my day mate...I can't even figure out what I can do until Mango.

i wana see longman dictionary .and oxford one
nba game time
infinity blade

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Trick question? Using my phone lol. Did I somehow make you think I couldn't function without a Layar app?
These things are not necessities to function, just what I would like to see, and they are coming.

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Lol... Agree.
Also, on the Kik thing...
Kik has been Kicked (pun intended) off of Blackberry, and it doesn't have nearly as many users as WhatsApp has. It requires yet another account creation in addition to downloading the app. WhatsApp goes by phone numbers.
WhatsApp works on Android, iOS, Blackberry, and Symbian.
Sorry, but anyone who does a lot of communication on their smartphones know that Kik is no suitable replacement for WhatsApp.
I don't even consider it an alternative.
What we need is something like Trillian for WP7, not Kik...
The OP also failed to mention Skype and Pandora. (Well I guess it was his list, I was going by the thread title )

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Lol... Agree.)
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On what? I was answering the guys post, and responded to his list. That was it.
What an odd question. What am I doing until Mango? Not IM'ing? Not using Layar? Same thing as everybody else? It just happens that almost everything he listed is coming, and we know when its coming.
Other than apps Mango is going to allow (WhatsApp will probably come as well) I don't think we will be 'missing' many apps. I just want added functionality in the OS.

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On what? I was answering the guys post, and responded to his list. That was it.
What an odd question. What am I doing until Mango? Not IM'ing? Not using Layar? Same thing as everybody else? It just happens that almost everything he listed is coming, and we know when its coming.
Other than apps Mango is going to allow (WhatsApp will probably come as well) I don't think we will be 'missing' many apps. I just want added functionality in the OS.
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It seems as though this community thinks you need to be able to "do" something with the phone every day rather than just use it... I guess this comes from the flashing of ROMs and such... You guys are so accustomed to the WM days where we HAD to "do" something every day to make the phone usable... I'm going to agree here and say I'm going to "use" my phone, I'm going to continue texting, taking pictures, emailing, fbing, tweeting, 4sqing...etc

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What we need is something like Trillian for WP7, not Kik...
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Would still prefer Trillian... At least from my experiences with IM+ in the past... I hope they can prove me wrong this time though.

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It seems as though this community thinks you need to be able to "do" something with the phone every day rather than just use it... I guess this comes from the flashing of ROMs and such... You guys are so accustomed to the WM days where we HAD to "do" something every day to make the phone usable... I'm going to agree here and say I'm going to "use" my phone, I'm going to continue texting, taking pictures, emailing, fbing, tweeting, 4sqing...etc
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The only thing we'd like to do is install an app, but unfortunately those apps are impossible to install on our phones becaue they're impossible to implement.
This has nothing to do with Windows Mobile. I came to WP7 from Android, and if you read my posts in the Vibrant forum you'd know that I've never touched my phone in the way you seem to infer.
I have never modded any of my WM or Android devices. It's not my thing.
This OS isn't subpar because people want to mod them. It's subpar because it was designed as a subpar Feature Phone OS with good hardware while they finished the other half over the next year.
And now we'll probably have to sit on it even longer while Microsoft gives Nokia a cookie.
I dunno why you're going on and on about the WM/Android Modding crutch.
The OS just does not cut it compared to Android and iOS even if you're never modded your phone - ever, on any other platform you've used.
You paid $500 for a phone to wait a year for it to become as usable as a mid-ranged Android or Blackberry Curve? I sure as hell didn't, nor should I have been expected to do so...
It's not our fault the OS is in the shape its in, and has failed to impress anyone but a few fanbois here and there. It's Microsoft's fault.
Also, if you glance over my post history you'll see that I am equally vicious towards Android, iOS, and Blackberry as I am towards WP7. Trying to pawn me off as some Anti-Microsoft fanboi in this forum is quite hillarious... I am loyal to no platform, and equally critical of all of them. It only happens that this one is worse than the others.
Many of the criticism here can be found anywhere on the internet, even in formal reviews and unboxings. It's no mystery that this OS is both unfinished and if to be considered an actual smartphone OS (instead of a feature phone), Beta-quality.
And to the person after you, IM+ is inferior to Trillian in almost every possible way.
Also, the HD7 is a worse PHONE than the Vibrant, so even if I were willing to shut up and just deal with the OS' shortcomings, there is still that issue. The radio (or perhaps the radio firmware) is terrible and call quality and reception is not good. The external speakers are even worse than the cell radio.
I'll continue using my Vibrant to do half the **** you said you'll continue doing because it's a superior user experience. Push Notifications and Updates are simply superior on Android and there are things that are impossible to do on WP7 like emailing or MMSing videos.
But like I said, if you use your phone like a feature phone this OS no doubt seems very polished and "innovative."

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The only thing we'd like to do is install an app, but unfortunately those apps are impossible to install on our phones becaue they're impossible to implement.
This has nothing to do with Windows Mobile. I came to WP7 from Android, and if you read my posts in the Vibrant forum you'd know that I've never touched my phone in the way you seem to infer.
I have never modded any of my WM or Android devices. It's not my thing.
This OS isn't subpar because people want to mod them. It's subpar because it was designed as a subpar Feature Phone OS with good hardware while they finished the other half over the next year.
And now we'll probably have to sit on it even longer while Microsoft gives Nokia a cookie.
I dunno why you're going on and on about the WM/Android Modding crutch.
The OS just does not cut it compared to Android and iOS even if you're never modded your phone - ever, on any other platform you've used.
You paid $500 for a phone to wait a year for it to become as usable as a mid-ranged Android or Blackberry Curve? I sure as hell didn't, nor should I have been expected to do so...
It's not our fault the OS is in the shape its in, and has failed to impress anyone but a few fanbois here and there. It's Microsoft's fault.
Also, if you glance over my post history you'll see that I am equally vicious towards Android, iOS, and Blackberry as I am towards WP7. Trying to pawn me off as some Anti-Microsoft fanboi in this forum is quite hillarious... I am loyal to no platform, and equally critical of all of them. It only happens that this one is worse than the others.
Many of the criticism here can be found anywhere on the internet, even in formal reviews and unboxings. It's no mystery that this OS is both unfinished and if to be considered an actual smartphone OS (instead of a feature phone), Beta-quality.
And to the person after you, IM+ is inferior to Trillian in almost every possible way.
Also, the HD7 is a worse PHONE than the Vibrant, so even if I were willing to shut up and just deal with the OS' shortcomings, there is still that issue. The radio (or perhaps the radio firmware) is terrible and call quality and reception is not good. The external speakers are even worse than the cell radio.
I'll continue using my Vibrant to do half the **** you said you'll continue doing because it's a superior user experience. Push Notifications and Updates are simply superior on Android and there are things that are impossible to do on WP7 like emailing or MMSing videos.
But like I said, if you use your phone like a feature phone this OS no doubt seems very polished and "innovative."
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This goes on about your arrogance and apparent self created worth in this forum. Who says everything I say is directed towards you? Did I say "Hey N8ter...." - Not to mention, the phone is usable enough for me... You're also comparing a mature OS, to one in its infancy... But this is part of the double standard here... Not to mention, the HD7 is a superior device to any Vibrant I've ever touched, sorry that your experience is different.
Phone is usable enough for me, I just wish some of you would quit trying to convince me differently. Getting out of the topic of this post, you guys even go into the topics labeled "I Love My WP7" and try to spew your venom... Which is where it gets rather annoying tbh, this is a WP forum, I don't constantly want to hear the same 4-5 users ***** about it...
You, and a select other few, also seem to hold your opinions as fact, and the second somebody successfully refutes an argument you have, you attack it even harder.. Regardless of how ridiculous your point is... You become upset when somebody enjoys the experience.

Not going to entertain you today.

Mint.com
Skype/Fring
Good googletalk client
Sent from my Windows Phone using Board Express

I see there is a new RDP client that works with Windows RDP. It's by Topperware and is called Remote Desktop, which is the same name as a existing VNC client in the Marketplace. It seems to connect just fine but the connection times out after a minute in the trial version, so I couldn't play around with it much.
I suspect it is using some sort of redirection to a server somewhere. You can't use a internal IP assigned by your router but must use your external internet IP.

MLB At Bat
Scrabble
Native Remote Desktop
An IM app, but that seems to be coming soon

I'm quite puzzled as to why there isn't a Tesco Clubcard App. Tesco have had "Tesco Real Food" and "Tesco Groceries" out on the market since launch.

I really want to see many of Zynga's apps, such as Zynga Poker and Words with Friends. I realize there are many alternatives to those games, such as Full House Poker and Alpha Jax, but most of my friends play those Zynga games.

Windows Phone Marketshare sees increase

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Research from Kantar WorldPanel on Tuesday showed Android gaining share strongly in most of seven major markets - Australia, Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and the United States - in the 12 weeks to mid April.
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Windows' share in Germany more than doubled to 6 percent over the past year, and climbed to 3-4 percent in Britain, France, Italy and the United States.
These gains came at the expense of Nokia's Symbian platform and Canadian BlackBerry maker Research In Motion, the biggest market share losers. RIM's share in the U.S. market dropped to just 3 percent from 9 percent a year earlier.
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We do not know if that is all Windows platforms, or only Windows Phone. Previous share numbers put Windows phone at 2% so maybe that is only Windows Phone. But no matter how you spin it, Nokia has made some kind of impact with the Lumia series. And the Germany numbers would not include the Lumia 900 either.
Windows Phone is gaining momentum! One day, sometime in the future, the forum will no longer have to be ridiculed for poor sales numbers. I wonder what will be the next reason why not to own a Windows Phone?

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Windows Phone is gaining momentum! One day, sometime in the future, the forum will no longer have to be ridiculed for poor sales numbers. I wonder what will be the next reason why not to own a Windows Phone?
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Itz no open source, evil! It can't play Crash Bandicoot!1
And more.
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Itz no open source, evil!
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So is iPhone.
I'm not trying to be illogical, But the experience I have with my window phone (Mozart 7) is far better than what I had with any Android phone.
Although Windows Phone still has a long way to go (mainly apps in marketplace are not comparable to Apple/Android market figures) But I think WP will be a real competitor for iPhone/Android in near future.

Kamyar.P said:
So is iPhone.
I'm not trying to be illogical, But the experience I have with my window phone (Mozart 7) is far better than what I had with any Android phone.
Although Windows Phone still has a long way to go (mainly apps in marketplace are not comparable to Apple/Android market figures) But I think WP will be a real competitor for iPhone/Android in near future.
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I think he was sarcastic.
No normal user should care about opensourceness.
Most of the programs I like more are closed source.

dragonide said:
I think he was sarcastic.
No normal user should care about opensourceness.
Most of the programs I like more are closed source.
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That's it, sarcasm that is also, most people don't know that Android isn't really open source: you can't access the repositories on which gdevs are working. Also, nobody ever gives a crap about bug reports/feature requests, and most issue are left pending and unaddressed. The AOSP project is ran in a not so opened source after all: the code shared is generally partial and you have no access whatsoever to what is actually worked on. Chrome, for example, is instead an open source project, and is actually ran as such. Too bad it sucks because it's a resource whore, despite being probably the fastest guy in town. However I agree, most of my favourite programs are closed source too. Woops, this is very off topic btw
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We do not know if that is all Windows platforms, or only Windows Phone. Previous share numbers put Windows phone at 2% so maybe that is only Windows Phone. But no matter how you spin it, Nokia has made some kind of impact with the Lumia series. And the Germany numbers would not include the Lumia 900 either.
Windows Phone is gaining momentum! One day, sometime in the future, the forum will no longer have to be ridiculed for poor sales numbers. I wonder what will be the next reason why not to own a Windows Phone?
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Interesting stuff in the comments from your link:
(Reuters) – Nokia launched two low-end cellphones on Tuesday, aiming to regain its footing in emerging markets.
Operating system: Symbian Series 40
Windows Phone market share is so tiny, Nielsen doesn’t even list it “The bad news for Windows Phone market share continues: In a recent report, Windows Phone market share was so small in the U.S. that the well-known research firm Nielsen didn’t even bother to break out its usage,” Preston Gralla reports for Computerworld. (Friday, March 30, 2012)
Could Linux still usurp Windows Phone as Nokia’s saviour?
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/eu...ill-usurp-windows-phone-as-nokias-saviour/560
Elsop told a group of engineers in Berlin last year that the goal is once again to “find that next big thing that blows away Apple, Android, and everything we’re doing with Microsoft right now, and makes it irrelevant – all of it. So go for it, without having to worry about saving Nokia’s rear end in the next 12 months. I’ve taken off the handcuffs.” The product in development is known as Meltemi, a Linux-based OS, which was referenced in a memo leaked to the The Wall Street Journal last year.

Honestly I don't even care that much about WP7 anymore...I mean (don't get me wrong) I don't want it to die because I really like it and it's the perfect fit for me now. What really matters to me now tho is that with this Lumia phone I'm in love with Nokia back again. I don't even care about apps anymore, as far as I have a functional phone with a good browser and a twitter client I'm more than fine. If Nokia keeps making WP devices with Lumia like quality and above then good, I'll buy them, if Nokia starts making N9 like Linux based devices I'll buy them as well, maybe I'd like them even more. Just gimme Nokia phones please, I'm hooked. Hopefully I'm not the only one...
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We can only hope that more people come to understand the ease of use of wp, the message will spread more quickly.

Window Phones just overtakes iPhone marketshare in China.
http://www.gsmarena.com/wp_reportedly_overtakes_iphone_in_china_with_7_of_market-news-4268.php

I see a lot more people with windows phones these days than I did before Nokia released their windows phone.
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Hey guys, just came here as I've been using an LG Optimus 7 for about a week now. Now I don't want to get into any arguments, I just want to share my thoughts.
I personally am not a fan of WP7 (actually that's a massive understatement). I have no doubt that for some users it's just fine, but not me. I'm an Android user and the reason I'm using this phone right now is because I'm in between phones and this is a work phone.
For me, there are too many UI and UX idiosyncrasies for me to be able to like WP7. The tiles are an interesting approach, but on a small screen device it fails. It feels very claustrophobic for me; as if you're looking at a large sheet of paper but only have a small window to look through.
The lock screen leaves something to be desired also. I'm disappointed that a pin password is the only way to password protect your phone. I miss pattern unlock.
The keyboard, while good at autocorrect, cannot compare to Swype, which I also miss dearly. I absolutely loath tapping on a virtual keyboard now that I've been using Swype for over a year.
Please take no offence to this but if I had to describe WP7 it would be a very advanced feature phone, or a very simple smartphone. And by "simple" I don't mean easy to use, I mean limited functionality. Random example: In the browser, when I find a phone number online, I cannot just click on it and choose to automatically call it like on Android. Furthermore, I cannot even copy the text on the website and paste it into the dialing app like on Android. So I'm forced to either memorize the number or jot it down on a piece of paper and then recite it in the dialing app. Not very "smartphone-ish". People talk about how Android is only for "advanced users" but in all seriousness Android does most of, if not all, the simple things much more intuitively than any other device (IMO).
If I had to say one thing that my WP7 device did well, was Bluetooth connection and syncing with my F150's radio. But then again, that's a Microsoft Sync product, so I would expect no less. Edit: Oh, and voice commands. It actually does voice commands fairly nicely without any extra software.
But I would like to hear from everyone else, explicitly what they like about WP7 over iPhone or Android (we're not including Blackberry, why bother.).

cbstryker said:
I personally am not a fan of WP7 (actually that's a massive understatement).
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I'm an Android user...
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I'm curious. I don't go over the the Andriod forums since I'm exclusively a Windows Phone user at the moment. Do you guys have a lot of Windows Phone users coming over there and thread crapping?
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For me, there are too many UI and UX idiosyncrasies for me to be able to like WP7.
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That's why there are multiple OS. It is impossible to make an OS that EVERYONE will love. Most people who sit down and look at all the major OS interfaces agree that the Windows Phone interface is clean and easy to read compared to others.
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The tiles are an interesting approach, but on a small screen device it fails.
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If you feel constricted buy a bigger screen. Windows Phone devices come in a variety of sizes. There is even rumored to be a Galaxy Note in the works.
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I'm disappointed that a pin password is the only way to password protect your phone. I miss pattern unlock.
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Billions of people have lived just fine with pin unlock. Furthermore I see no reason why a future iteration of Windows Phone wouldn't have pattern unlock. A whole new OS is about to drop in <1 year. At this stage there is no way of knowing what Windows Phone will and will not have in 6-8 months.
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Please take no offence...
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No one is offended we are just curios why seemingly happy Andriod users feel the need to continual thread crap in our forum. I have never had any need to post in an Andriod forum. Do you get the feeling one of us is insecure?
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Please take no offence to this but if I had to describe WP7 it would be a very advanced feature phone, or a very simple smartphone. And by "simple" I don't mean easy to use, I mean limited functionality. Random example: In the browser, when I find a phone number online, I cannot just click on it and choose to automatically call it like on Android. Furthermore, I cannot even copy the text on the website and paste it into the dialing app like on Android. So I'm forced to either memorize the number or jot it down on a piece of paper and then recite it in the dialing app. Not very "smartphone-ish". People talk about how Android is only for "advanced users" but in all seriousness Android does most of, if not all, the simple things much more intuitively than any other device (IMO).
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Windows Phone is a newer operating system and functionality is being added incrementally. A whole new OS is going to drop in <1 yr. Your post is going to look silly in a matter of months. I like the Windows Phone OS. I like the hardware. I like the fact that my Lumia 900 works smoothly out of the box with no tweaks. I don't have to brag about how many cores it has because it doesn't matter. When I see an Andriod phone with twice the number of cores doing its stutter and lag routine I don't feel bad for the owner.

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I'm curious. I don't go over the the Andriod forums since I'm exclusively a Windows Phone user at the moment. Do you guys have a lot of Windows Phone users coming over there and thread crapping?
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I can't speak for other users out there. Frankly, they just sound like trolls. That's not at all what I'm doing here. I have genuinely been using a Windows Phone exclusively for a week and I wanted to dig in to some of the forums to see what kind of tweaks or hints I can find, and then I found this thread. So I'm not just a random Android Fanboy coming here to "thread crap".
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I like the fact that my Lumia 900 works smoothly out of the box with no tweaks. I don't have to brag about how many cores it has because it doesn't matter. When I see an Andriod phone with twice the number of cores doing its stutter and lag routine I don't feel bad for the owner.
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My Android phone (the one being repaired) has only a single core and is smooth as butter. This whole "my phone is smoother than yours" flack is nothing but non-sense. This phone I've been using has lagged on me plenty of times and I've even had plenty of iPhones lag on me also. Pointless argument.
Edit: This guy is exactly the type of person I was trying to avoid. All I wanted was the opinions of WP7 enthusiasts as to why they like their platform of choice. Not some 15 year old that can only resort to verbal attacks.

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I can't speak for other users out there. Frankly, they just sound like trolls. That's not at all what I'm doing here. I have genuinely been using a Windows Phone exclusively for a week...
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By your own admission you are an android user that is only temporarily using a work phone for a few days and not by choice. Not sure how that makes you any different from all the other Andriod users that have dropped by to say hi.
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My Android phone (the one being repaired) has only a single core and is smooth as butter.
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The whole "core" thing was me just making fun of the Andriod conversations I've accidentally stumble across. This forum is littered with them. Windows Phone just takes a different approach to the whole smartphone thing in a number of ways. I wouldn't expect a committed Android user to pick up on the differences let alone appreciate them in a handful of days especially if he was involuntarily forced to use Windows Phone.
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Wow, dude. Just wow....
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We could say the same thing about you. How many Andriod vs Windows Phone threads have to be locked by the mods before Andriod users get the message?
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Edit: This guy is exactly the type of person I was trying to avoid...
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A Windows Phone 7 forum is an odd place to hide out from Windows Phone users.
Bottom line, A whole new OS is going to drop in <1yr. You have just wasted your time and our time critiquing a bunch of issues that may very well be moot in a matter of months. Unlike you we didn't have our Windows Phones forced on us for a few days. We made a conscious decision after evaluating our options to buy the phone we felt would best suit our needs for the next 2 years.
I don't like Andriod and I don't like iOS. But I don't go to those forums and start telling everyone who owns the phone my opinion. A lot of the decision regarding what phone someone ultimately ends up using is subjective. All OSes have pros and cons. I could easily cherry pick a few pros and cons and post over in the Andriod forum. I don't and there is a reason for that.

cbstryker said:
Hey guys, just came here as I've been using an LG Optimus 7 for about a week now. Now I don't want to get into any arguments, I just want to share my thoughts.
I personally am not a fan of WP7 (actually that's a massive understatement). I have no doubt that for some users it's just fine, but not me. I'm an Android user and the reason I'm using this phone right now is because I'm in between phones and this is a work phone.
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And in general there is absolutely no problem with that in the Windows Phone forum.
I can see why Metro UI would not be appealing to everyone. I personally find it to be less attractive than what Android can be with all the custom roms, but more useable than any OS on the market. It is the perfect blend of simplicity and functionality and i have owned an iPhone and owned/used quite a few different Android phones from different OEMs.
Sitizenx is being a little blunt. Well alot blunt But I want to let you know where Sit is coming from:
"Windows Phone is dead"
"Marketshare/Sales are pathetic"
"Apps are missing/inferior/overpriced"
"Hardware is a joke"
It is that last one that is the motivation behind his self-pleasuring retort. Out of curiousity, which single core Android phone did you use that was smooth? Nexus S? i am sure there are smooth droids out there, but there are quite a few that just are not and it is laughable based on the hardware that goes into some of there phones.
But it is quite okay for you to not like Windows Phone. Some of your issues can be resolved, some also apply to the iPhone (swype, pattern unlock).
Btw, that borrowed data parsing feature to recognize emails/numbers and pick the appropriate task is what got HTC banned

This whole bashing on Windows Phone, or iOS or whatever is such a waste of time and energy. I can think of a dozen things off the bat to be more constructive with. We really need to get off this "fanboy" mentality.
To each his/her own. Master your domain and work within it if you enjoy it. Simple.
Just MHO.

cbstryker said:
In the browser, when I find a phone number online, I cannot just click on it and choose to automatically call it like on Android. Furthermore, I cannot even copy the text on the website and paste it into the dialing app like on Android.
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That's a patent issue. Microsoft is forced to leave this feature out of WP7. You can thank Apple for that.
And why should be a pattern unlock better/safer? I find it easier to memorize a pattern when someone unlocks his phone.

Energata said:
This whole bashing on Windows Phone, or iOS or whatever is such a waste of time and energy. I can think of a dozen things off the bat to be more constructive with. We really need to get off this "fanboy" mentality.
To each his/her own. Master your domain and work within it if you enjoy it. Simple.
Just MHO.
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For a first timer, you have a mighty good outlook Good to see. Welcome to the forums.
Let's not get too side-tracked in here, quit the baiting, and get back on-topic

cbstryker said:
Hey guys, just came here as I've been using an LG Optimus 7 for about a week now. Now I don't want to get into any arguments, I just want to share my thoughts.
Please take no offence to this but if I had to describe WP7 it would be a very advanced feature phone, or a very simple smartphone. And by "simple" I don't mean easy to use, I mean limited functionality. Random example: In the browser, when I find a phone number online, I cannot just click on it and choose to automatically call it like on Android. Furthermore, I cannot even copy the text on the website and paste it into the dialing app like on Android. So I'm forced to either memorize the number or jot it down on a piece of paper and then recite it in the dialing app. Not very "smartphone-ish". People talk about how Android is only for "advanced users" but in all seriousness Android does most of, if not all, the simple things much more intuitively than any other device (IMO).
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Just with reference to your example there... that is not a limitation of Windows Phone... that's a limitation in the default settings for Canada specifically. I'm in Canada with a Samsung Focus (also on Telus) and I can click on phone and street addresses in the web browser to have them open in the dialer or map program on Windows Phone. You just have to go into "Settings/Region+Language" and set your "Region format" to "English (United States)". You should then have clickable links for telephone numbers and street addresses. While you're there, change your "Browser and search language" to "English (United States)" to enable local scout in Canada.
The limitation on copy/pasting a number into the dialer is a legitimate gripe - copying the number is easy, but there is no paste option from the dialer.

cbstryker said:
Hey guys, just came here as I've been using an LG Optimus 7 for about a week now. Now I don't want to get into any arguments, I just want to share my thoughts.
I personally am not a fan of WP7 (actually that's a massive understatement). I have no doubt that for some users it's just fine, but not me. I'm an Android user and the reason I'm using this phone right now is because I'm in between phones and this is a work phone.
For me, there are too many UI and UX idiosyncrasies for me to be able to like WP7. The tiles are an interesting approach, but on a small screen device it fails. It feels very claustrophobic for me; as if you're looking at a large sheet of paper but only have a small window to look through.
The lock screen leaves something to be desired also. I'm disappointed that a pin password is the only way to password protect your phone. I miss pattern unlock.
The keyboard, while good at autocorrect, cannot compare to Swype, which I also miss dearly. I absolutely loath tapping on a virtual keyboard now that I've been using Swype for over a year.
Please take no offence to this but if I had to describe WP7 it would be a very advanced feature phone, or a very simple smartphone. And by "simple" I don't mean easy to use, I mean limited functionality. Random example: In the browser, when I find a phone number online, I cannot just click on it and choose to automatically call it like on Android. Furthermore, I cannot even copy the text on the website and paste it into the dialing app like on Android. So I'm forced to either memorize the number or jot it down on a piece of paper and then recite it in the dialing app. Not very "smartphone-ish". People talk about how Android is only for "advanced users" but in all seriousness Android does most of, if not all, the simple things much more intuitively than any other device (IMO).
If I had to say one thing that my WP7 device did well, was Bluetooth connection and syncing with my F150's radio. But then again, that's a Microsoft Sync product, so I would expect no less. Edit: Oh, and voice commands. It actually does voice commands fairly nicely without any extra software.
But I would like to hear from everyone else, explicitly what they like about WP7 over iPhone or Android (we're not including Blackberry, why bother.).
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The simple ui, the difference of the ui, and the huge microsoft stamp on it. its lacking in hardware and app developement, but apparently folks just accept the shortcomings, or don't care.
Id imagine working the price of a phone into a ford vehicle wouldn't be difficult, surprised it hasn't happened yet.
Sitizen's comments revolve around accusations of androidfanism and the future release to be expected. Unfortunately, neither are relevant today.
The sales information is interesting though. Apparently china likes it, or there is some promotion prompting sales with very cheap devices, dunno, I don't live there.
I'm still not seeing any wp7 devices around town, bars, etc. I've never seen one in a motorcycling buddies hand. Those are alllll iphones or the latest android, for the obvious mapping and navigation reasons.