Hi all ass google told me, there will be an unofficial update for hd2 but they still have problems with the grafic driver.
I may buy an Hd2 and i want to know your opinion about the graphic bug and if the Hd2 has enough sufficient hardware; 1Ghz cpu is MINIMUM requierement and in the video in youtube the os works really slow.
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wait until its ready for the HD2 before you buy 1, because its no guarantee that it will work & if it does who knows if it will be able to download things from the marketplace
as far as graphic drivers if those arent up to par the whole UI will be pointless (laggy & choppy) to many unknowns to spend that much on a phone imo
I talked to HTC and T-mobile they expect the update mid to late june around the same time the Iphone 4g will be droppin...
sorry to say but they just fed you donkey balls =)
the only thing I have seen or even heard/downloaded is a new rom from htc and its still 6.5
it isn't 7 =/
Officially microsoft has repeatedly stated that no device will get the wp7 upgrade sadly...so take it as it were but that's the official word
Thx guys but with unofficial update i mean the russian guys who could get wp7 working on the hd2
domineus said:
sorry to say but they just fed you donkey balls =)
the only thing I have seen or even heard/downloaded is a new rom from htc and its still 6.5
it isn't 7 =/
Officially microsoft has repeatedly stated that no device will get the wp7 upgrade sadly...so take it as it were but that's the official word
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can u find the official microsoft statement and give s a link here??
well..I found this:
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Cue the sad trombone, folks. If you were waiting around with your Windows Mobile 6.5 device with hopes that Microsoft would one day bless it with a new chance at life in the form of Windows Phone 7, it’s time to move on.
APC Magazine just got the full spiel from Microsoft themselves: Windows Mobile 6.5 devices won’t be upgradable to Windows Phone 7 series. (You hear that? Five hundred XDA hackers just scoffed and said “Yeah, we’ll see about that.”)
Why? Standards. Microsoft has a very, very, almost ridiculously strict set of hardware guidelines that they want manufacturing partners to follow when building Windows Phone 7 Series handsets — and for the most part, old handsets just don’t fit the bill. They either lack one of the three mandatory keys (search, back, and Windows key), or — get this — they have too many keys.
A while back, a shot of the HTC HD2 allegedly running Windows Phone 7 Series hit the net. We were quick to debunk it here, with our reasoning being that the HD2 lacked the mandatory search key. Sure enough: Microsoft’s GM of Mobile Communications in the Asia-Pacific, Natasha Kwan, says the HD2 won’t be getting the upgrade “because it doesn’t have the three buttons”.
Of course, this just means that they won’t be getting the upgrade treatment from Microsoft. As we mentioned above, there’s probably a mighty army of hackers just waiting to get their hands on Windows Phone ROMs for the sake of down-porting it to older handsets; if it’s feasible, it’ll probably happen.
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http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/03/01/windows-mobile-6-5-upgrade-windows-phone-7/
daam..now i'm becoming really the anti-microsoft..
and I never thought I would say that..not even after windows ME and Vista on pc..
how can they do this to us???
So they say just because there aint no search button..and there r to mush other buttons our phones wont get WP 7?
SO that means we (all HD2 users)just got f****d???dam..I spent alotta money not to change my phone in couple of month..since WM 6.5 is totally dead..
MS will change their mind
When all of us move to Android or stay with our HD2 another year at least, and many will buy the new iPhone, MS will realize what a fatal market research it is to force phone makers to a specific look (or buttons).
I am also reading they will not allow a layer of extra GUI like HTC sense to run on it, and want consistent look to all phones, regardless who is the maker. Unless they come up with an amazing GUI and themes , they can forget about me having WM7. I am more than happy with WM6.5 and HTC sense..
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BigE said:
When all of us move to Android or stay with our HD2 another year at least, and many will buy the new iPhone, MS will realize what a fatal market research it is to force phone makers to a specific look (or buttons).
I am also reading they will not allow a layer of extra GUI like HTC sense to run on it, and want consistent look to all phones, regardless who is the maker. Unless they come up with an amazing GUI and themes , they can forget about me having WM7. I am more than happy with WM6.5 and HTC sense..
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I abhor statements like this from the above poster
MS will realize the error of their ways. SURPRISE! Several users that were once wm have already moved to android and apple since 2007. Hence the campaign to revitalize the operating system. Its already been happening and if you think it can get worse for microsoft mobile after announcing wp7 to which many have said it is impressive, you are deluding yourself.
Fact remains
Google looks like vomit before htc sense, people bought google in droves. Apple has shiny buttons, people bought it in droves. I fail to see your logic from an economic standpoint beyond baseless fanboyism (dont misunderstand I am a die hard windows mobile faithful as well). People somehow buy seemingly restricted crap because of how it is marketed. Time and time again this has been proven...
so what you don't buy wp7 device...and if 100 people buy it over you, no one is really going to care if you don't buy it =)
imauser said:
can u find the official microsoft statement and give s a link here??
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Are you kidding? The internet is full of official Microsoft statements. Just a simple Google search will very likely link you to all of those sites.
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Are you kidding? The internet is full of official Microsoft statements. Just a simple Google search will very likely link you to all of those sites.
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actually u should read my post below this one..
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actually u should read my post below this one..
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Sorry man. Sometimes I tend to just read posts and not check whom made the post. My bad
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Sorry man. Sometimes I tend to just read posts and not check whom made the post. My bad
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thats alright friend
but the thing is really frustrating that MS does this to its loyal clients..
plus they said they do it to offer a better experience of using WP7..this is dam ridicules..I mean alright..for better exp new phones based on WP7 should have only 3 buttons..but Y it should mean that sum recent WM 6.5 phone be out of game..
personally Im cool with WM..this is a great OS(especially on Leo)..the only problem..that we aint gettin no new content(the most important for me is decent games)..
I *think* i read somewhere that MS was going to use both OS's. 7 for the ooooo and aahhh factor and 6.5 for the more business oriented side of it because the 7 series supposedly won't run any application from the previous generation.
Waiting game.
yes, that IS what they SAID, but their actions proved otherwise IMHO when they removed smart-device development from VS2010.
This is like them saying "we still support windows XP for the business user but have decided to withdraw XP-compatible app development from all of our coding products"
So I'm curious. I keep hearing that Microsoft made the announcement that the HD2 won't be getting WP7 upgrades, but does that mean that xda developers can't hack the ROM to work with WP7? I guess my question is whether the HD2 meets the minimum system requirements of WP7. The ones that I saw only left a few things in question.
For example, I know that the HD2 is multi-touch capable but the WP7 requirements stated that it needed to be capable of four simultaneous points of contact. Can the HD2 do more than two?
Also, the WP7 requirements spoke of something like 8GB of a storage capacity, which even the US version only has 1GB. Does the MicroSD not count?
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So I'm curious. I keep hearing that Microsoft made the announcement that the HD2 won't be getting WP7 upgrades, but does that mean that xda developers can't hack the ROM to work with WP7? I guess my question is whether the HD2 meets the minimum system requirements of WP7. The ones that I saw only left a few things in question.
For example, I know that the HD2 is multi-touch capable but the WP7 requirements stated that it needed to be capable of four simultaneous points of contact. Can the HD2 do more than two?
Also, the WP7 requirements spoke of something like 8GB of a storage capacity, which even the US version only has 1GB. Does the MicroSD not count?
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Dun worry, the chefs at XDA are notorious for making ROMs not made for that particular device.
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I know that the HD2 is multi-touch capable but the WP7 requirements stated that it needed to be capable of four simultaneous points of contact. Can the HD2 do more than two?
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I don't know this 100% for sure, but AFAIK the screen on the HD2 is capable of true multi-touch, as in - as many fingers as you can fit on it. The reason it's only currently capable of 2 point touch is because there aren't drivers available to handle more. The drivers that are currently available were adapated from the HTC drivers, which don't handle full multi-touch - just 2 point touch.
you can donate for WP7 porting for HD2 if you want:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=684346
There is one definitive reason, and one stupid reason the HD 2 won't be getting Windows Phone 7.
And it won't get it, officially. If Da_G manages to do it (and I have full faith in him that if it's possible, he'll make it so), it'll still be buggy as hell.
The Stupid = Too many buttons.
Yeah, it's bad. But MS has made a commitment to be standardized across it's platform, and I can't knock that. That's a really good idea. And besides, HTC has shown time and time again that it would rather just release a new phone with upgraded software, than stick to a device and provide it regular updates.
The Realistic = No hardware scaler on the graphics board.
One of the key ways that the Xbox and the WinPhone7 are going to be able to play the same games is by utilitzing a hardware scaler instead of processing the resolution difference sperately. I doubt the HD2 has one of those.
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Since I'm a new user I can't post a link but if you go to Forbes' website and click on the velocity blog you'll see an article near the bottom about HTC porting over sense for WP7.
I know that they can't put their own UI on top but they are looking into using the live tiles to be able to accomplish the same goal.
I'm thinking most likely in the form of additional live tiles and colors.
Edit: Here's some of the article so you don't have to go searching around the web.
Microsoft's February announcement that it would exert more control over the phones that use its upcoming mobile software, Windows Phone 7, would seem to be a challenge for HTC. After all, the Taiwan-based smartphone maker has made a name out of layering inventive software on top of other companies' mobile platforms.
But HTC says its custom software, which it calls "Sense", will live on, even on Windows phones. Drew Bamford, who heads HTC's user experience design team, tells Forbes the manufacturer is applying Sense to its first Windows Phone 7 devices, which are expected to launch in October.
"Microsoft has taken firmer control of the core experience [in Windows Phone 7], but we can still innovate," says Bamford. The future version of Sense, he adds, won't look the way it does on current Windows Mobile (6.5) phones, where it basically replaces all the core applications and is fully integrated into the phone.
Nevertheless, HTC is optimistic about the Windows Phone 7 launch, according to Bamford. "We won't be able to replace as much of the core Windows Phone experience, but we will augment it," he says..
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My thoughts too. OEMs are limited to six pre-installed applications. So we'll most likely see something like the mock up done in another thread here. We might see 2 single tile apps and 2 double tile apps that you could go into and change settings to make it look and feel like you want.
It's definately something I had anticipated that they might try to do but it's always nice to get some comfirmation on the subject.
I may have to think twice about possibly getting an htc phone in october. I dont want added doo-dads and bloated doo-hickies. If they do try to port their own sense experience, I hope they can be uninstalled or at least deactivated completely!
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I may have to think twice about possibly getting an htc phone in october. I dont want added doo-dads and bloated doo-hickies. If they do try to port their own sense experience, I hope they can be uninstalled or at least deactivated completely!
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Anything and everything installed by the OEM/carrier can be uninstalled.
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Anything and everything installed by the OEM/carrier can be uninstalled.
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OEMs are limited to 6 apps of limited size. The apps that the OEMs create for the phones are also limited to the same restrictions independent developers are. This includes performance. They aren't allowed to bog down the OS with bloatware.
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OEMs are limited to 6 apps of limited size. The apps that the OEMs create for the phones are also limited to the same restrictions independent developers are. This includes performance. They aren't allowed to bog down the OS with bloatware.
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Just for the sake of full disclosure, they do get access to some other APIs and integration opportunities that the rest of us don't.
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Just for the sake of full disclosure, they do get access to some other APIs and integration opportunities that the rest of us don't.
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That, I do not know. My guess is that they will considering that they are assigned Microsoft employees to help them make applications. But I don't think we'll know for sure until after they launch.
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I'm eager to see what HTC has up there sleeves.
All they can add are additional apps, so I wouldn't be worried about fragmentation at all. The main OS will not have Sense UI.
It is on Windows Phone Thoughts posted today! There is a link to Engadgets brief story as well...
I hope this will be good!
I can't wait to see how this will fully pan out. I'm with t-mobile and I hope microsoft brings it hard when they launch this wm7 phone. that goes also for htc with there sense.
Still, with HTCs recent epic fail on Android, I would advice against buying their phones.
If you need another reason, then be it to support the community, as HTC recently attempted to take down a custom ROM distributor.
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HTCs recent epic fail on Android
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What are you referring to?
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Still, with HTCs recent epic fail on Android, I would advice against buying their phones.
If you need another reason, then be it to support the community, as HTC recently attempted to take down a custom ROM distributor.
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HTC makes the best Android phones. They may have sense on some of them but not all of them. Them working some sense apps/hubs into a wp7 device won't have any negative impact on performance.
Windcape must have made a typo.
Actually Android is big HTC success.
krjcook said:
It may look something like this
I'm eager to see what HTC has up there sleeves.
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i hate the squre look, that is the only thing pushing me away from getting a wp7 wen it comes out. i hope htc intergrates a whole ui into 1 square where it feels like replacing the square ui (kinda like spb mobile shell in its earlyer stages where you would have to click on the softkey to go in to the ui & pressing end key would take u back to the regular today screen) not that its the best idea but it could be a start
HTC cant code software to save their lives, just look around for all the issues Sense has on various WM devices, putting that on WP7 is just asking for the device to be a crappy bugfest for which people will blame MS and probably kill any positive buzz the OS may get. Just keep Sense in ANY form far, far away from WP7.
WiPhone makes no Sense
Still can't integrate! Sounds like Sense will have to be worked around with extra steps. Also, since WP7 has no file access, you won't even be able to customize Sense anyways.
As much as MS is copying the iPhone with WP7, they should just call it the WiPhone and get it over with. No integration or real multitasking for 3rd party apps (which are usually superior or made for your niche), what's that crap?!
When I'm done with my HD2 I'll be moving on to Android or webOS.
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Still can't integrate! Sounds like Sense will have to be worked around with extra steps. Also, since WP7 has no file access, you won't even be able to customize Sense anyways.
As much as MS is copying the iPhone with WP7, they should just call it the WiPhone and get it over with. No integration or real multitasking for 3rd party apps (which are usually superior or made for your niche), what's that crap?!
When I'm done with my HD2 I'll be moving on to Android or webOS.
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Pretty much what I was thinking. I'm a big fan of HTC, but more for their HW than for the SW. Sense is "ok" at best. Think about this, if it was so great, would mods like those made by Cookie Monster be so popular? Communities like this thrive off of the customization options and the freedom. Microsoft locking it down to me feels like i'm just buying into to the masses.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not all about the whole "special snowflake" thing. I just know what I like; my money goes where I like it, not to the lesser of two evils.
I honestly see WinMo 6.5 sticking around for some time to come because of this.
Ive seen some new features of wp7 I like but its too locked down & I prefer being able to switch my ui etc etc. My tp2 recently died out on me. I want to get the latest hardware but with my current os in the same body/form of the tp2. I wondering if its possible & how many other users feel the same as I do.
Edit:for the ones that voted "no" do u still feel the same now after purchasing ur wp7 device?
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Edited by moderation not conform to the rules of the forum.
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2.1 Language: XDA is a worldwide community. As a result what is ‘ok’ to say in your part of the world may not be ok in someone else’s part of the world. Please think about who is reading what you write. Keep in mind that what you think of as acceptable use of language may not be acceptable to others. Conversely, while reading member posts, remember that word you find offensive may not be to the writer. Tolerance is a two way street.
2.3 Flaming: XDA was founded as a group of people sharing information about certain mobile phones. Sharing does not involve virtual yelling (flaming) it does involve working together to solve problems in an environment of mutual respect and understanding. Losing your temper and flaming another member, or group of members, is not acceptable behavior.
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I'm just warning, next time there will be consequences
XaaR_ said:
Are you **** retar****?
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i'd ban you, if i were mod. people like you turned pda's into justphones for halfwits.
wm6.1/6.5 on wp7 hardware
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it could be possible seeing ZERO difference of incoming w7 crap hardware(just old stuff with new price, i mean). methods may be problem.
Do you want an wp7 device with wm6 os
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i voted yes thinking about OLD style pda with dpad, kbd and plenty of mem onboard and xscale cpu. just as it should be like. not just screen with 2 buttons for 600$+ AND fockin w7 crap. i do not need just a dumbphone, i need PDA with phone module, y'know.
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Ive seen some new features of wp7 I like but its too locked down & I prefer being able to switch my ui etc etc. My tp2 recently died out on me. I want to get the latest hardware but with my current os in the same body/form of the tp2. I wondering if its possible & how many other users feel the same as I do.
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The HD2 had a WM6.1 ROM in development. Don't know what happened to it, but someone got WM6.1 working on the HD2. Since the new WP7 stuff is going to be similar in the hardware division, I'd say yes, there may be a slight chance of WM6.1 being made for WP7 phones.
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Are you f**** ret*****d?
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The question is, are YOU fu***g re******d? If you can't answer the damn question, don't even bother posting.
I can't seem to understand why you would want WM6.5/6.1 on a Newer device. OK, I can understand 6.5, but 6.1? Just go buy the HD2 if you want Winmo 6.5, if has the same specs as the launch WP7 devices.
---Also we won't know what's possible until WP7 releases and XDA jumps on it.
Personally, not really worth repeating the words that we do not correct .... it pollutes the forum.
Let's leave that he was having a bad day, come back later and think what he did, otherwise give holidays, for him.
My answer is yes too, I prefer the old-style WM6.1 OS with some new freshy hardware
surprisingly some people voted yes.
Let me ask this question:
Do you want a new laptop made in 2010 run Windows 98SE?
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I can't seem to understand why you would want WM6.5/6.1 on a Newer device. OK, I can understand 6.5, but 6.1? Just go buy the HD2 if you want Winmo 6.5, if has the same specs as the launch WP7 devices.
---Also we won't know what's possible until WP7 releases and XDA jumps on it.
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I want something of the same form as the tp2 as I stated in my original post...to go over all of the wp7 shortcomings would be beating a dead horse. Im not a super power user but my tp2 worked for what I needed it for even tho it was lagging at times. I no had to problems with wm6.1 except for afew quirks such as the unread text issue which was fixed by replacing the dll.
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surprisingly some people voted yes.
Let me ask this question:
Do you want a new laptop made in 2010 run Windows 98SE?
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I get what your saying but I can still do all of what I used 98 for with xp/7 such as change my background lol. I would be nice if I could dual boot wm6/7 or have an pro version of wp7 that fill my wm6 needs.
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I get what your saying but I can still do all of what I used 98 for with xp/7 such as change my background lol. I would be nice if I could dual boot wm6/7 or have an pro version of wp7 that fill my wm6 needs.
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This is very interesting.
People they tend to learn very quickly about new things at one period of time, but then they become lazier and lazier and prefer to stay with "what they already known."
This mentality is very interesting and belive it or not, artists have the same problem, too.
Most of the "missing features" will come to WP7 shortly; most likely within a year. Copy and Paste is supposedly already being worked on for the next point release which may be out before the end of the year. Also, there's a relatively major update supposedly coming along with CDMA support in the "first half" of 2011.
For other things, XDA will unlock/add them, I have no doubt. Things like file system access will likely come quite quickly. I understand that many people want an "open" device from the factory but hacking your device is hacking your device. How many of you are running the stock ROM with no system mods? The difference in an unlocked/jailbroken/modded/cooked/whatever WP7 device will just gain a few more things that came out of the box for WM6. But unlike WM6, the platform is modern and rock solid. It's extremely fast and just an overall MUCH better experience. If you can use a WP7 device and not think the overall platform is better than 6.5, I'd be amazed. So if you're willing to void your warranty to flash a WM6.x rom, why not just go the other way and flash a modded WP7 rom that adds the "missing" features?
Another thing, WM6.1 is not designed for a capacitive display. 6.5 was updated a bit to allow it and with HTC Sense it works OK but 6.1 without sense will likely be unusable on a capacitive screen.
So all-in-all, the benefits of WP7 FAR outweigh the things we're "losing" in my opinion. Will I miss tethering, copy+paste, file system access, and multitasking? Of course. But I just don't think they're a big deal and I know most of that will be remedied rather quickly if you're willing to hack/mod your phone which is the whole point of this forum. So at the end of the day, it's a win/win. If you're uneasy about it, just wait a bit and we'll find out of my predictions are accurate. Then make the call.
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Most of the "missing features" will come to WP7 shortly; most likely within a year. Copy and Paste is supposedly already being worked on for the next point release which may be out before the end of the year. Also, there's a relatively major update supposedly coming along with CDMA support in the "first half" of 2011.
For other things, XDA will unlock/add them, I have no doubt. Things like file system access will likely come quite quickly. I understand that many people want an "open" device from the factory but hacking your device is hacking your device. How many of you are running the stock ROM with no system mods? The difference in an unlocked/jailbroken/modded/cooked/whatever WP7 device will just gain a few more things that came out of the box for WM6. But unlike WM6, the platform is modern and rock solid. It's extremely fast and just an overall MUCH better experience. If you can use a WP7 device and not think the overall platform is better than 6.5, I'd be amazed. So if you're willing to void your warranty to flash a WM6.x rom, why not just go the other way and flash a modded WP7 rom that adds the "missing" features?
Another thing, WM6.1 is not designed for a capacitive display. 6.5 was updated a bit to allow it and with HTC Sense it works OK but 6.1 without sense will likely be unusable on a capacitive screen.
So all-in-all, the benefits of WP7 FAR outweigh the things we're "losing" in my opinion. Will I miss tethering, copy+paste, file system access, and multitasking? Of course. But I just don't think they're a big deal and I know most of that will be remedied rather quickly if you're willing to hack/mod your phone which is the whole point of this forum. So at the end of the day, it's a win/win. If you're uneasy about it, just wait a bit and we'll find out of my predictions are accurate. Then make the call.
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It's not even the OS itself I don't like. It's that I-wanna-look-like-a-fake-iPhone interface thing.
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It's not even the OS itself I don't like. It's that I-wanna-look-like-a-fake-iPhone interface thing.
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Ummm it doesn't look like an iPhone. You can make the claim that the platform is similar in that it's somewhat restricted but the UI is nothing like the iPhone. To say otherwise is patently false. If you don't like the UI, fine but don't try and use the excuse that it looks like the iPhone. Windows Mobile and Android look more like the iPhone and WP7 does.
Just in case you don't believe me, PocketNow did a comparison.
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Ummm it doesn't look like an iPhone. You can make the claim that the platform is similar in that it's somewhat restricted but the UI is nothing like the iPhone. To say otherwise is patently false. If you don't like the UI, fine but don't try and use the excuse that it looks like the iPhone. Windows Mobile and Android look more like the iPhone and WP7 does.
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Uhhhh, if you don't notice the whole "I've got a load of icons" thing, I can't help you. I did not say it's a bloody exact replica, I said it's like a bad clone.
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Uhhhh, if you don't notice the whole "I've got a load of icons" thing, I can't help you. I did not say it's a bloody exact replica, I said it's like a bad clone.
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WP7 only has "icons" on the secondary app list.
WM6 has a very iPhone like listing of apps if you hit the windows/home button as does Android; much more so than WP7. What do you expect? At some point you're always going to have a list of applications. Should they just not use icons at all and have text only or something? Getting beyond the home screen, the entire UI design is different than Android and iPhone. There's no title bars, no frames, no drop shadows, no gradients. Here's an article (by an independent 3rd party) explaining how the WP7 UI is different than other OSes. Maybe you think it's a horrible copy because it's not a copy at all?
Like I said, if you don't like WP7's UI, fine, that's your prerogative. It's just a horribly inaccurate comparison.
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WP7 only has "icons" on the secondary app list.
WM6 has a very iPhone like listing of apps if you hit the windows/home button as does Android; much more so than WP7. What do you expect? At some point you're always going to have a list of applications. Should they just not use icons at all and have text only or something? Getting beyond the home screen, the entire UI design is different than Android and iPhone. There's no title bars, no frames, no drop shadows, no gradients. Here's an article (by an independent 3rd party) explaining how the WP7 UI is different than other OSes. Maybe you think it's a horrible copy because it's not a copy at all?
Like I said, if you don't like WP7's UI, fine, that's your prerogative. It's just a horribly inaccurate comparison.
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No. It is a near copy. It has the whole black background full of icons thing. And if you look, it's basically a near information-less screen just like the iPhone.
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I expect Microsoft to be original just like they have with WM6.1 and WM6.5
i think that if we a got a wp7 device and put 6.1 or 6.5 maybee 6.5.x just think of the speed of the thing !!!!!!!
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i think that if we a got a wp7 device and put 6.1 or 6.5 maybee 6.5.x just think of the speed of the thing !!!!!!!
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I know. That's why I fully support this idea.
rr5678 said:
No. It is a near copy. It has the whole black background full of icons thing. And if you look, it's basically a near information-less screen just like the iPhone.
I expect Microsoft to be original just like they have with WM6.1 and WM6.5
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Uhhhh wow... you're reeallllyy reaching. If you're gonna say it's a copy of iPhone then you could just say it's a copy of WM.
when this is right then soon wp7 will be real big
http://www.unwiredview.com/2010/12/20/holy-crap-nokia-is-in-talks-with-microsoft-about-windows-phone-devices/
http://mynokiablog.com/2010/12/20/nokia-and-microsoft-discussing-wp7-on-nokia-says-eldar/
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UnwiredView reports that according to Eldar, Nokia are working on a Windows Phone 7 phone!
Nokia has always been adamant that there will only be, S40, Symbian and MeeGo. Android was not the answer. That was, as they say, “peeing in their pants to stay warm”. Temporary measure with poor long term outcome. Before I get onto Eldar…
I’ve referenced this video a few times but remember the MeeGo interview with Marko Ahtisaari. Though Android on Nokia was refused, WP7 was not so blatantly denied. WP7 was supposedly different, though too early to tell, offered an interesting pattern.
On talking about Android:
“We’re interest in using platforms where we can add value and if that were the case – then. But it isn’t right now”
Android apparently doesn’t answer this. Symbian and Android apparently has the same pattern. WP7 is a different one
So, other than Analysis of Mr Ahtisaari’s comments, what does Eldar have to say?
Supposedly, Nokia’s new management (Microsoft VP turned Nokia CEO?) initiated talks with Microsoft to expand cooperation. Not just technology exchange, or more Microsoft apps on Nokia phones but the creation of Window Phone 7 devices sold by Nokia. This, in true Eldar Style, is both companies desperate attempts to rescue themselves from the onslaught of Android.
Eldar isn’t in favour of this partnership. The strong command of development is taken away from Nokia (if true). He reminds us of a Nokia quote in reference to Siemens and BenQ that an eagle will not come out of two hens. Well, Siemens and BenQ, the only similarities are that they both used to make phones. Microsoft and Nokia are still pretty much giants in the game and as is Intel (MeeGo partnership). And this millennium is the year of Biological engineering so who knows what legendary chimera can arise? No more infertile mules please.
Eldar via UnwiredView << Cheers to Arts for the tip!
Just like the Android denials, do you reckon if this is picked up by major blogs like Giz/En that Nokia will publicly deny this too?
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original posted by wpcentralThe world is aflutter today (and journalism has taken a back seat) with the unsubstantiated rumor that Nokia, under leadership of Nokia CEO Stephen Elop, who used to work with Microsoft, is in secret talks to work with Microsoft on releasing some Windows Phones. The rumor comes from Eldar Murtazin, who has attained near celebrity status with his rumor posts, despite the mediocre track record. In a post he writes (translated):
In the last month behind closed doors is a discussion of expanded cooperation Nokia and Microsoft (two-way discussion, initiated by the new leadership of Nokia). Not simply the exchange of technology, but creating an entire line of Windows Phone devices that may go under the name Nokia, through the sales channels for the company, and will also have the characteristic features of its products. This is a desperate measure of the two companies. The last step for the salvation of Android, which crushes everything in its path.
Nokia has very recently denied such future moves, instead reaffirrming their committment to Symbian and MeeGo OS, yet the rumor persists, perhaps out of wishful thinking. It is certainly possible that Nokia may release a secondary line of phones with WP7 on board--heck, Palm did the same years ago till they got back on their feet (to fall on their face again)--but we're not holding our breath on this one. For one, there is no secondary source that comes even close to backing this up and number two, financially it doesn't make much sense (see summary at ZDNet).
But we'll leave the possibility open. We're just not that confident in the idea. Even if Nokia does go forward with a Windows Phone line, so what? Has Nokia hardware (in absence of their OS) been anything truly remarkable? Or has HTC, Samsung and Apple grabbed the spotlight with hardware innovation and unique design? Call us cynical, but we're going with the latter. If Nokia and Microsoft hatch out a plan though, it will only help Windows Phone presence in the market. That is something we could live with, even if we are skeptical of the whole idea.
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I would imagine this would spark the platform in EU where Nokia is still a top brand.. in the US, Nokia had its hayday about 10 years ago but at least they could put price pressure on devices here as well
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I would imagine this would spark the platform in EU where Nokia is still a top brand.. in the US, Nokia had its hayday about 10 years ago but at least they could put price pressure on devices here as well
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I didn't mean to thank you, I meant to press Quote but enjoy the free Thanks anyway
The EU is a much bigger market than the US infact the US is quite tiny in comparison. Mobile phones is probably the only thing where Europe comes on top and it is the reason why many phones, not just smartphones, are released only in Europe (and Asia) and not at all in the US.
American Tech Blogs, Engadget, Gizmodo etc etc are constantly bashing Nokia because of Symbain and saying their Phones are awful but at the end of the day they sell more than RIM, HTC, Samsung and even Apple.
WP7 on Nokia devices would be MASSIVE. However, I'm not sure weather there is any truth in this. Microsoft have in the past tried to push nokia to adopt Windows Mobile and they've said no. Nokia like to do their own thing really and they can't really do that with Windows Phone due to no Customisation.
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I didn't mean to thank you, I meant to press Quote but enjoy the free Thanks anyway
The EU is a much bigger market than the US infact the US is quite tiny in comparison. Mobile phones is probably the only thing where Europe comes on top and it is the reason why many phones, not just smartphones, are released only in Europe (and Asia) and not at all in the US.
American Tech Blogs, Engadget, Gizmodo etc etc are constantly bashing Nokia because of Symbain and saying their Phones are awful but at the end of the day they sell more than RIM, HTC, Samsung and even Apple.
WP7 on Nokia devices would be MASSIVE. However, I'm not sure weather there is any truth in this. Microsoft have in the past tried to push nokia to adopt Windows Mobile and they've said no. Nokia like to do their own thing really and they can't really do that with Windows Phone due to no Customisation.
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There is quite a change within Nokia, they are going through a major restructuring, so if Microsoft and Nokia really want to MS might as well acquire them, it will not be surprising.
I am not sure how spending more money for mobile market than already allocated for advertisement ($500 million or so) is in the MS interest though.
Lets not forget to quote the entire thing:
"In the last month behind closed doors is a discussion of expanded cooperation Nokia and Microsoft (two-way discussion, initiated by the new leadership of Nokia). Not simply the exchange of technology, but creating an entire line of Windows Phone devices that may go under the name Nokia, through the sales channels for the company, and will also have the characteristic features of its products. This is a desperate measure of the two companies. The last step for the salvation of Android, which crushes everything in its path." -Eldar
The guy has a not so good track record. You're better off believing in the secret society of Illumaniti that only the people on the internet know about.
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Lets not forget to quote the entire thing:
"In the last month behind closed doors is a discussion of expanded cooperation Nokia and Microsoft (two-way discussion, initiated by the new leadership of Nokia). Not simply the exchange of technology, but creating an entire line of Windows Phone devices that may go under the name Nokia, through the sales channels for the company, and will also have the characteristic features of its products. This is a desperate measure of the two companies. The last step for the salvation of Android, which crushes everything in its path." -Eldar
The guy has a not so good track record. You're better off believing in the secret society of Illumaniti that only the people on the internet know about.
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LOL , I think I mist something on here , I only read that I have posted , not what Eldar posted.
Edit: I updated the first post.
In response to the question on WPCentral:
Has Nokia hardware (in absence of their OS) been anything truly remarkable?
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YES!
- The Nokia N95 had the BEST camera I have had the pleasure of using to date, it was an innovative slider sliding one way for a keypad and the other way for media controls
- The Nokia N8 has a 12 megapixel camera which blows away anything else I've ever seen on a phone.
I want my Nokia Windows Phone 7 phone with a 12 megapixel camera and Carl Zeiss Lens!
http://www.thetechherald.com/articl...-to-drop-Symbian-in-favour-of-Windows-Phone-7
Updated article. This should provice WP7 with some market share.
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In response to the question on WPCentral:
YES!
- The Nokia N95 had the BEST camera I have had the pleasure of using to date, it was an innovative slider sliding one way for a keypad and the other way for media controls
- The Nokia N8 has a 12 megapixel camera which blows away anything else I've ever seen on a phone.
I want my Nokia Windows Phone 7 phone with a 12 megapixel camera and Carl Zeiss Lens!
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I second this the n95 was a properly amazing phone that was way ahead of anything at the time. This is not the only example either look back to the late 90's with the 5110 even and the nokia communicator. They have slipped slightly in resent years but that's only due to the os there hardware is sound and solidly built to match.
If they do join forces then it will catapult wp7 back into the big league where it belongs. Lets just hope Nokia can see this.
It's great
Cannot wait for a Nokia WP7 device.
Nokia doesn't have much of a presence here in the U.S. but the few phones I've dealt with were very good. I'd love to see Nokia and WP7 together. I think it's a great match.
Why is there so much negativity on this!!! I just saw another article about this and it was blasting Nokia for making this move. It seems every reporter and media outlet can't wait for WP7 to fail. In my office, another friend just bought a WP7 phone so that makes 4 of us and 3 iPhone users. The rest have other phones or Blackberries (company issued).
So here's a sarcastic list:
Top ten reasons not to buy WP7
Top ten reasons WP7 users are losers
Top ten reasons Nokia shouldn't sell WP7 phones
Top ten reasons WP7 will fail
Top ten reasons anything, anytime, anywhere from Microsoft should be avoided
etc, etc
Engadget just got some news about potential talks/announcement next week on something.. (possibly wp7)
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/04/nokia-microsoft-announcing-partnership-next-week-possibly-invo/
Drop Symbian for this BS? It would possibly be the dumbest move of the year.
I surely hope Nokia would go on WP7. But I have my doubts... Most of in a Finnish forum is criticizing the rumor, if Nokia would go on WP7. They say, it would be the biggest mistake (I think they have not even try WP7). What I think, it would be the greatest for Nokia for a long time, I mean a loooong time.
I just bought an Omnia 7. I think it's awesome. My first Windows phone and it's awesome. Okey the old WM was terrible. I have never, ever even thinking about to try that, it looked so ugly and clumsy OS in a phone. But WP7 is so 100% made for a phone OS. And it's beautiful. With Nokia co-operation I think the WP7 could be also coming more popular in Scandinavian, which of course it is not now, because of the lack of localisation.
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Drop Symbian for this BS? It would possibly be the dumbest move of the year.
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You are so Anti-WP7, Pro-Android why do you even bother posting in here?
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You are so Anti-WP7, Pro-Android why do you even bother posting in here?
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And why do you even bother to reply on his BS
On the topic: If this happens it would be a very big win for Microsoft. They will finally have top-notch hardware for their OS plus a big name on it. However I do not see the real benefit for Nokia. They're gonna lose most of their identity in such move. In the other hand they've missed their momentum investing so much on Symbian and currently have not many choices. It will be a very hard decision for them.
PS: Personally, as an ordinary consumer, I also would like to see the quality of Nokia hardware combined with WP7.
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You are so Anti-WP7, Pro-Android why do you even bother posting in here?
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I make it a personal goal to be on people like that's ignore lists.
In rebuttal, Nokia backing an OS that's worthwhile? Did we just travel back to the mid-nineties? Where's the delorean?
I guess you guys haven't played with a new symbian? You would totally understand.
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I guess you guys haven't played with a new symbian? You would totally understand.
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It plays like android with less support.... not the boat I want to be in...
lqaddict said:
There is quite a change within Nokia, they are going through a major restructuring, so if Microsoft and Nokia really want to MS might as well acquire them, it will not be surprising.
I am not sure how spending more money for mobile market than already allocated for advertisement ($500 million or so) is in the MS interest though.
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i dont think MS will have there own mobile phone hardware as they work with OEM hardware vendors and if they want to keep that they will not develop or buy hardware compnies.... i beleive thats what happen ti KIN as it was a bad move because it will be conflict of intrest...
why is there so much hate about wp7 in its own forum? i dont own one, but cmon guys, why so much negativity?!
sort of like asking why the ocean is blue... noone really knows.
(the ocean is blue due to the sunlight... )
For some reason, the people that seem to hate WP7 the most are Android fans.
There almost is an inability by some to acknowledge that different intelligent people could possibly have opinions that differ from their own.
This isn't true of a majority of Android fans of course, but the people that seem to have the most deep seated animosity towards WP7 happen to often be Android fans.
I don't hate Win 7, I just luv Android..................
so far for most of the users who bought the phone loved it. then again, dont we mostly love the phones we buy no mater what brand or os.
wp7 being a new os, im just waiting to see what devs will support it before i truly consider buying it.
It's Kinda Complicated...
This is a tough one but let me share why I feel this happens. XDA was the place to go for anything cool on Windows Mobile. Windows Mobile had alot of homebrew support and indie developer applications which you could find out about here. It was a very hacked open platform. Then Microsoft started talking about Windows Phone 7 and moved away from that community kind of alienating it a bit. Around that time that community started to move to the new hacked open playground being the Android platform. That being said after years of trying to explain all the cool things they were doing like free tethering for example with Windows Mobile to and defending themselves from the casual mobs of iSheep they still like to come back here and vent by hating on Windows Phone 7 for being the bastard successor to their former beloved mobile OS. A bit dramtically expressed by just what I am seeing.
Android fanboys.
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Android fanboys.
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Pretty much this.
Interesting thing is that even iPhone users seem to like WP7, so it must be the Android users...And I thought the apple gang was bad. This is just like discussing operating systems with 14 year old Linux users
Anyone can extend to WP7? LOL
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This is a tough one but let me share why I feel this happens. XDA was the place to go for anything cool on Windows Mobile. Windows Mobile had alot of homebrew support and indie developer applications which you could find out about here. It was a very hacked open platform. Then Microsoft started talking about Windows Phone 7 and moved away from that community kind of alienating it a bit. Around that time that community started to move to the new hacked open playground being the Android platform. That being said after years of trying to explain all the cool things they were doing like free tethering for example with Windows Mobile to and defending themselves from the casual mobs of iSheep they still like to come back here and vent by hating on Windows Phone 7 for being the bastard successor to their former beloved mobile OS. A bit dramatically expressed by just what I am seeing.
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Damned good point.
As someone who joined the Good Ship CE back in the days of the Jornada (and then WM with the Blue Angel) I guess there are quite a few of us who do feel that we have been abandoned by MS. We spent years being mocked and derided by others for wanting to have internet access and stoopidly large screens.
I appreciate that MS exist to make profit rather than entertain us, but at some point I will have to join the legions of WP. I don't want an Iphone or android so I have little choice.
If I am being honest part of my reluctance is the result of the fact that as I browse through this forum I am greeted by posts bragging about game scores or that are full of people slagging each other off. Just something I am not used to (here on XDA) and seems to go hand in hand with my concerns about dumbing down. Frankly this section of XDA is too often childish and *****y
Sadly it does seem that any dissenting voices are pooh-poohed as being WM haters. This is patiently daft.
I have been called a troll and android fan boy for whining about the lack of tethering and so forth.
So... getting back to the OP's question much of the criticism of WM is not indeed hate but disappointment at finding that MS have removed many of the features that we, as potential owners, had expected to be de facto.
I would argue the android comment. I'm on android now, but it was a protest against win phone 7.....because I loved winmo. Win phone is opposite direction.
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+103399558877655. These little Gaydroid lovin kiddies just can't help themselves...
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Pretty much.
It's funny; my good friend is a hardcore Android user.
We've compared my Focus to his Captivate several times. I do like Android and the Captivate but when it comes down to it, they're sorta the same thing.
Both can do virtually the same thing and just as fast. Same hardware too I believe.
I just prefer the Focus because of the Windows UI. It's sleek, simple, and fast. Gets the jobs done. More and more apps are coming everyday and same goes for games. They are porting them constantly. I am more than pleased with my purchase and can't wait for the future of WP7!
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On another note if my Focus would have not accepted my MicroSD Card and reset randomly, lagged, and overall performed crappy... I'd go with the Captivate. Lol!
the thing is people seem to be confused and think wp7 is the wm6.5 upgrade when it really is not. The simple fact is that if windows 7 didn't have such a strong name i think they would of moved away from the 7 all together. WM and WP are not the same line WM is pretty much dead in the water due to Android and so MS has changed its target market. The problem with this is that people already new the MS target audience for WM and expected it to stay the same but it did not. They are after the average user the nokia clan if you will. This is why its kind of a big deal if nokia chooses to go with wp7 or not. This does mean however that there is a lot of wm fans left hanging in the wind and they are angry about this, then to top it off android fans see this and like to pounce (kind of like the guy in the pub that sees a man down then puts the boot in for a laugh even though its not his fight). The thing is this could all be squashed so easy by MS if they got there act together a bit better and started to actually push wp7 to the customer, it is easy to sit in a big office somewhere paying a large tv company to make adds for you but until they get people in the streets they are going to get over looked. We have all seen that the best tech isnt always what takes off. WP7 is the best os for the basic user by a long way and i hope MS give it the push it needs. That being said i do believe if nokia come on board then its a home run as the brand name will carry it to the right audience.
I love Windows Phone it can be properly amazing.
lumpaywk- I agree with you but would add that MS may have a problem with regard to whom to aim the phone at.
Apple did an amazing job of convincing punters that they wanted a phone that had features that would have otherwise been previously seen as geeky. Indeed they managed to convince many people that the had invent the whole concept.
Apple applied Jobsian post Fordist- you only need these features and no more (eg no copy'n'paste, tethering etc). They incorrectly assumed that all of their punters were brain dead and were proved wrong, as is evidenced by the fact they then added those features.
MS seem to be making the same mistakes. It is almost as if they assume that everyone is interested in social networking and gaming and nothing else. I guess I will be flamed by those stating that WP is a work in progress but they are speculating as much as I am with regard to what will and will not be available via future updates.
IMO MS have missed a trick- they could have proved an interface that required little savvy to use but which at the same time allowed a degree of customisation/functionality by those that want to dig deeper. It is inevitable that the Gurus here will enable that at some point so why not embrace it from the outset.
That would keep the (relatively small) WM owners happy and hand the techy bragging rights to WP, perhaps leading to migration form android/iphone. I have never owned either an andriod or iphone but can see why they find it so easy to take the pee out of some of WP's shortcomings (admittedly whilst side stepping it's strengths).
I think it unlikely that WP will crash and burn but it doesn't follow that it will automatically succeed. Sure MS have deep pockets but those pockets were even deeper when they were running with WM, and what happened to that
Here's the thing.
It's so easy to say that Android owners, or "fanboys" as some love to stamp them, are the ones who come in here with any negativity when there are other factors at play here.
1) I have seen threads started in this forum by WP7 "fanboys" on how WP7 is better than Android and basically just bashing the other OS, this can cause Android owners to retort with obvious failings of WP7.
2) Look at the bugs thread, this OS does have things still desired that need to be addressed.
3) The fact is, you can't just brush away and defend every criticism by anyone and pass it off as "fanboy" (whatever that even means). Just like if someone said "wow, Android sure has a fragmentation issue with so many different specced phones with different frameworks and UIs and stuff" I'd have to agree and confirm that that is a problem at times and not immediately label him a WP7 fanboy etc...
4) This forum seems to have more than a few overly sensitive dwellers who take personal offense at mere opinions of a phone's mobile OS as if it were some attack on your character or something, and so blow it up out of proportion.
Look, if calling anyone who doesn't agree with you an Android Fanboy makes you feel more important and better about yourself, then go for it, but at the end of the day you're not addressing the real drawbacks of WP7. We're all basically here to make our mobile experience better, no matter which OS we choose to go with.
Not only do you have Android/iPhone fanboys bashing WP7 but also WP7 users bashing it. That's because we love the phone and just want to see it getting better. On the other hand iPhone/Android users seem to think their phones are perfect already. lol. Thats why they are fanboys I guess.
rockstarar said:
why is there so much hate about wp7 in its own forum? i dont own one, but cmon guys, why so much negativity?!
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In my case, it isn't hatred, it's a doomed system and I'm just expressing my sadness that such a nice system has to be destroyed by a deadbeat idiot leadership at MS. But I guarantee it is doomed...unless MS shakes up the management in charge of WP7.
The negativity happens because the regulars here hostile towards anyone, very little help here without pages of insults. You can usually get more straightforward responses from the MS wp7 forums compared to this place.
I just bought myself, my mom, my borther, and my wife all WP7 devices for christmas (one of each released in the states) and I know that were all hooked and I've been a member of XDA for a few years now and have been tinkering since I got the original HTC touch when it was new.
The sooner I get Mango the closer I am to knowing whether to dump this phone OS and "move" back to 6.5 with my HD2 or screw it all together and jump on the iPhone 5 bandwagon. My Focus already feels old next to my HD2 and I've only had it for 10 months. Apple and oranges I know.
Thanks for you useful and informative post
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You're welcome. Enjoy your day!
Can you explain why?
IMO - if you get an iPhone you will be like the rest of the white headphone droid army that apple have created. Again IMO iPhone users tend to have a low understanding of tech issues (eg my mum and nan now have them) they just want something trendy ! WP7 and mango rules so stick wth it
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IMO - if you get an iPhone you will be like the rest of the white headphone droid army that apple have created. Again IMO iPhone users tend to have a low understanding of tech issues (eg my mum and nan now have them) they just want something trendy ! WP7 and mango rules so stick wth it
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...that's not really a reason. Aside from "well I hate the popular brand".
To the OP: give some more info on what you're looking for. And how on -EARTH- could you ever even begin to think of going back to 6.5??? Ugly, slow, laggy, freezy, ugly. Yes it was functional (sorta - most programs locked up or just wouldn't work), but man. It loses to every other OS in every single category. My LG dumbphone from 2007 was easier to use than my Omnia II.
Not sure why you'd jump to an iPhone if WP doesn't do it for you feature wise. If you truly need WM type OS, Android is your daddy.
To me, the UI & integration in WP blows the iPhone (and all the others) out of the water. Its all whether you are a 'power' user or not. WP won't have that many features until Apollo most likely.
Why is the decision for you so hard to make. You already know what Mango has to offer. So why are you coming to us crying about WP7. Sounds like your mind is already made up on getting an iphone, so go get it and quit *****in
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Why is the decision for you so hard to make. You already know what Mango has to offer. So why are you coming to us crying about WP7. Sounds like your mind is already made up on getting an iphone, so go get it and quit *****in
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Yup the op was just trolling.....
I think issue with the op is the hype only lasts so long. Mango will be good, but after we get it we will bw like all the people who cried for froyo on their phones.
I'm considering getting a new blackberry personally. I pretty Mich gave up 6 months ago the state of this Os at release basically forced me to use android for 10th months longer than I thought I'd have to.... So Mich that the wp7 device is hard for me to remember I own it now...
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N8ter said:
I think issue with the op is the hype only lasts so long. Mango will be good, but after we get it we will bw like all the people who cried for froyo on their phones.
I'm considering getting a new blackberry personally. I pretty Mich gave up 6 months ago the state of this Os at release basically forced me to use android for 10th months longer than I thought I'd have to.... So Mich that the wp7 device is hard for me to remember I own it now...
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Well hopefully your new blackberry will meet all your requirments, good luck!
Until RIM pull out of the market and leave you with nothing, at least MS are committed to WP. If you buy a BB you may as well go and buy a palm os as I feel the writing is on the wall for them
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Flashmaster591 said:
Until RIM pull out of the market and leave you with nothing, at least MS are committed to WP. If you buy a BB you may as well go and buy a palm os as I feel the writing is on the wall for them
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Man, don't hold him back. The sooner he gets his new device and finally ditches his WP7, the sooner he - hopefully - vanishes from these parts of the forums.
Nah. I'll never leave this forum. You guys are too fun!
EDIT To Add: It serves me no logical purpose just to leave because I got rid of a phone becaue I go through multiple smartphones a year and I'm quite platform agnostic, so I never know when I'll get another one. It serves my best interest to be on the up and up with all the info as well as still give my feedback and suggestions IRT the platform - or any platform I've used and feel there is a chance I may use again in the future.
But you're free to continue trolling me! I'm not so quick to bite these days, unfortunately :<
If you know my history, which dates back to my using windows mobile since the early 2000's, you'd know I'm not trolling. I just find it interesting/lame, when you say something negative and people here pounce on you! You certainly wouldn't want anyone dissenting! Perhaps it's a reflection of the average age here...ah, forget it.
Been using Skype on Windows Mobile for a long time and despite the fact that MS now owns Skype, I see no evidence of it being included in this release. Brutal! They purchased Skype in May!
It's a phone and I got to press multiple buttons to make a f***ing phone call, but just two to take a picture! Lame.
****ty audio/audiobook player.
****ty video player.
No direct access to my microSD.
No smart dailer.
I've got an Onkyo NR 509 and guess what, the app for it is available for iPad/touch/phone.
Cartoonish tiles.
Speedn has stated the issues lacking and I agree with him for the most part, but go ahead and dump on someone who doesn't agree with you, or better yet, show your lack of maturity and call him names.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=844117&page=65
Everyone has their preferences and priorities. It is unfair to call out someone just because our preferences don't match. Personally I have used Symbian, WinMo 6.5, Android, and now I am using WP7. I can see where OP is coming from as I too, sometimes, miss some of the WM6.5 features. But the reliability and polish of WP7 has changed my perception. I do not have to reset my phone (hard or soft) once every few days anymore and features, although limited, just work. I used to call out Iphone users when I was with WM6.5 or Android. But after using WP7 I don't anymore. Reason: Phone needs a polished UI and reliability (OS wise, I am not discussing at&t issues). WP7 and iOS (and WebOS) are the only ones that do it right.
To summarize, OP... go ahead and try all the options. mobile OS is way more dynamic, it is our loss if we don't take advantage of it and try them all... and in case, like me, you realize WP7 is the way to go.. you are welcome back!
edved said:
If you know my history, which dates back to my using windows mobile since the early 2000's, you'd know I'm not trolling. I just find it interesting/lame, when you say something negative and people here pounce on you! You certainly wouldn't want anyone dissenting! Perhaps it's a reflection of the average age here...ah, forget it.
Been using Skype on Windows Mobile for a long time and despite the fact that MS now owns Skype, I see no evidence of it being included in this release. Brutal! They purchased Skype in May!
It's a phone and I got to press multiple buttons to make a f***ing phone call, but just two to take a picture! Lame.
****ty audio/audiobook player.
****ty video player.
No direct access to my microSD.
No smart dailer.
I've got an Onkyo NR 509 and guess what, the app for it is available for iPad/touch/phone.
Cartoonish tiles.
Speedn has stated the issues lacking and I agree with him for the most part, but go ahead and dump on someone who doesn't agree with you, or better yet, show your lack of maturity and call him names.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=844117&page=65
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So wait, you hate everything about it... but still posted a thread asking this?
I'm the first to defend someone's right to say a negative thing about wp7 (cause I sure have), and this platform is missing a lot which gets on my nerves too, but this sounds like trolllllllllllllllllllllllllllin' to me.
Know how I know you're trolling?
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arkavat said:
Everyone has their preferences and priorities. It is unfair to call out someone just because our preferences don't match. Personally I have used Symbian, WinMo 6.5, Android, and now I am using WP7. I can see where OP is coming from as I too, sometimes, miss some of the WM6.5 features. But the reliability and polish of WP7 has changed my perception. I do not have to reset my phone (hard or soft) once every few days anymore and features, although limited, just work. I used to call out Iphone users when I was with WM6.5 or Android. But after using WP7 I don't anymore. Reason: Phone needs a polished UI and reliability (OS wise, I am not discussing at&t issues). WP7 and iOS (and WebOS) are the only ones that do it right.
To summarize, OP... go ahead and try all the options. mobile OS is way more dynamic, it is our loss if we don't take advantage of it and try them all... and in case, like me, you realize WP7 is the way to go.. you are welcome back!
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Wow! A voice of reason. Ya, I'll give you that. It is a pretty reliable OS, but then again I have installed in comparison to my HD2 with 6.5, very few must have apps on this unit.
Thanks dude.
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sure haven't said:
So wait, you hate everything about it... but still posted a thread asking this?
I'm the first to defend someone's right to say a negative thing about wp7 (cause I sure have), and this platform is missing a lot which gets on my nerves too, but this sounds like trolllllllllllllllllllllllllllin' to me.
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How old are you? Like 12!!! Go back to playing your video games!
edved said:
How old are you? Like 12!!! Go back to playing your video games!
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Turned 30 this year tyvm.
Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional.
And fyi: the age of the average gamer is 35 (^)
You sound like a parent in the 70's when you say things like that.
The point is that this is another one of those "everything about wp7 is crap" posts. It is unhelpful because it is vanishingly unlikely that Microsoft will do an about turn and make WP7 like WM6.5 or (God forbid) like android. I think it is great when people post useful suggestions for WP7 (particularly when they also post them on MS boards) or when people come up with stuff that helps us get the best out of our phones, but I have had it with the WP7 is crap stuff, IF YOU DONT LIKE IT GET A DIFFERENT PHONE AND LET THOSE WHO ARE ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT IT TALK ABOUT IT IN PEACE.
Have a nice day y'all........