Ive seen some new features of wp7 I like but its too locked down & I prefer being able to switch my ui etc etc. My tp2 recently died out on me. I want to get the latest hardware but with my current os in the same body/form of the tp2. I wondering if its possible & how many other users feel the same as I do.
Edit:for the ones that voted "no" do u still feel the same now after purchasing ur wp7 device?
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I'm just warning, next time there will be consequences
XaaR_ said:
Are you **** retar****?
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i'd ban you, if i were mod. people like you turned pda's into justphones for halfwits.
wm6.1/6.5 on wp7 hardware
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it could be possible seeing ZERO difference of incoming w7 crap hardware(just old stuff with new price, i mean). methods may be problem.
Do you want an wp7 device with wm6 os
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i voted yes thinking about OLD style pda with dpad, kbd and plenty of mem onboard and xscale cpu. just as it should be like. not just screen with 2 buttons for 600$+ AND fockin w7 crap. i do not need just a dumbphone, i need PDA with phone module, y'know.
pimppoet said:
Ive seen some new features of wp7 I like but its too locked down & I prefer being able to switch my ui etc etc. My tp2 recently died out on me. I want to get the latest hardware but with my current os in the same body/form of the tp2. I wondering if its possible & how many other users feel the same as I do.
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The HD2 had a WM6.1 ROM in development. Don't know what happened to it, but someone got WM6.1 working on the HD2. Since the new WP7 stuff is going to be similar in the hardware division, I'd say yes, there may be a slight chance of WM6.1 being made for WP7 phones.
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Are you f**** ret*****d?
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The question is, are YOU fu***g re******d? If you can't answer the damn question, don't even bother posting.
I can't seem to understand why you would want WM6.5/6.1 on a Newer device. OK, I can understand 6.5, but 6.1? Just go buy the HD2 if you want Winmo 6.5, if has the same specs as the launch WP7 devices.
---Also we won't know what's possible until WP7 releases and XDA jumps on it.
Personally, not really worth repeating the words that we do not correct .... it pollutes the forum.
Let's leave that he was having a bad day, come back later and think what he did, otherwise give holidays, for him.
My answer is yes too, I prefer the old-style WM6.1 OS with some new freshy hardware
surprisingly some people voted yes.
Let me ask this question:
Do you want a new laptop made in 2010 run Windows 98SE?
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I can't seem to understand why you would want WM6.5/6.1 on a Newer device. OK, I can understand 6.5, but 6.1? Just go buy the HD2 if you want Winmo 6.5, if has the same specs as the launch WP7 devices.
---Also we won't know what's possible until WP7 releases and XDA jumps on it.
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I want something of the same form as the tp2 as I stated in my original post...to go over all of the wp7 shortcomings would be beating a dead horse. Im not a super power user but my tp2 worked for what I needed it for even tho it was lagging at times. I no had to problems with wm6.1 except for afew quirks such as the unread text issue which was fixed by replacing the dll.
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surprisingly some people voted yes.
Let me ask this question:
Do you want a new laptop made in 2010 run Windows 98SE?
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I get what your saying but I can still do all of what I used 98 for with xp/7 such as change my background lol. I would be nice if I could dual boot wm6/7 or have an pro version of wp7 that fill my wm6 needs.
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I get what your saying but I can still do all of what I used 98 for with xp/7 such as change my background lol. I would be nice if I could dual boot wm6/7 or have an pro version of wp7 that fill my wm6 needs.
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This is very interesting.
People they tend to learn very quickly about new things at one period of time, but then they become lazier and lazier and prefer to stay with "what they already known."
This mentality is very interesting and belive it or not, artists have the same problem, too.
Most of the "missing features" will come to WP7 shortly; most likely within a year. Copy and Paste is supposedly already being worked on for the next point release which may be out before the end of the year. Also, there's a relatively major update supposedly coming along with CDMA support in the "first half" of 2011.
For other things, XDA will unlock/add them, I have no doubt. Things like file system access will likely come quite quickly. I understand that many people want an "open" device from the factory but hacking your device is hacking your device. How many of you are running the stock ROM with no system mods? The difference in an unlocked/jailbroken/modded/cooked/whatever WP7 device will just gain a few more things that came out of the box for WM6. But unlike WM6, the platform is modern and rock solid. It's extremely fast and just an overall MUCH better experience. If you can use a WP7 device and not think the overall platform is better than 6.5, I'd be amazed. So if you're willing to void your warranty to flash a WM6.x rom, why not just go the other way and flash a modded WP7 rom that adds the "missing" features?
Another thing, WM6.1 is not designed for a capacitive display. 6.5 was updated a bit to allow it and with HTC Sense it works OK but 6.1 without sense will likely be unusable on a capacitive screen.
So all-in-all, the benefits of WP7 FAR outweigh the things we're "losing" in my opinion. Will I miss tethering, copy+paste, file system access, and multitasking? Of course. But I just don't think they're a big deal and I know most of that will be remedied rather quickly if you're willing to hack/mod your phone which is the whole point of this forum. So at the end of the day, it's a win/win. If you're uneasy about it, just wait a bit and we'll find out of my predictions are accurate. Then make the call.
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Most of the "missing features" will come to WP7 shortly; most likely within a year. Copy and Paste is supposedly already being worked on for the next point release which may be out before the end of the year. Also, there's a relatively major update supposedly coming along with CDMA support in the "first half" of 2011.
For other things, XDA will unlock/add them, I have no doubt. Things like file system access will likely come quite quickly. I understand that many people want an "open" device from the factory but hacking your device is hacking your device. How many of you are running the stock ROM with no system mods? The difference in an unlocked/jailbroken/modded/cooked/whatever WP7 device will just gain a few more things that came out of the box for WM6. But unlike WM6, the platform is modern and rock solid. It's extremely fast and just an overall MUCH better experience. If you can use a WP7 device and not think the overall platform is better than 6.5, I'd be amazed. So if you're willing to void your warranty to flash a WM6.x rom, why not just go the other way and flash a modded WP7 rom that adds the "missing" features?
Another thing, WM6.1 is not designed for a capacitive display. 6.5 was updated a bit to allow it and with HTC Sense it works OK but 6.1 without sense will likely be unusable on a capacitive screen.
So all-in-all, the benefits of WP7 FAR outweigh the things we're "losing" in my opinion. Will I miss tethering, copy+paste, file system access, and multitasking? Of course. But I just don't think they're a big deal and I know most of that will be remedied rather quickly if you're willing to hack/mod your phone which is the whole point of this forum. So at the end of the day, it's a win/win. If you're uneasy about it, just wait a bit and we'll find out of my predictions are accurate. Then make the call.
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It's not even the OS itself I don't like. It's that I-wanna-look-like-a-fake-iPhone interface thing.
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It's not even the OS itself I don't like. It's that I-wanna-look-like-a-fake-iPhone interface thing.
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Ummm it doesn't look like an iPhone. You can make the claim that the platform is similar in that it's somewhat restricted but the UI is nothing like the iPhone. To say otherwise is patently false. If you don't like the UI, fine but don't try and use the excuse that it looks like the iPhone. Windows Mobile and Android look more like the iPhone and WP7 does.
Just in case you don't believe me, PocketNow did a comparison.
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Ummm it doesn't look like an iPhone. You can make the claim that the platform is similar in that it's somewhat restricted but the UI is nothing like the iPhone. To say otherwise is patently false. If you don't like the UI, fine but don't try and use the excuse that it looks like the iPhone. Windows Mobile and Android look more like the iPhone and WP7 does.
Just in case you don't believe me, PocketNow did a comparison.
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Uhhhh, if you don't notice the whole "I've got a load of icons" thing, I can't help you. I did not say it's a bloody exact replica, I said it's like a bad clone.
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Uhhhh, if you don't notice the whole "I've got a load of icons" thing, I can't help you. I did not say it's a bloody exact replica, I said it's like a bad clone.
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WP7 only has "icons" on the secondary app list.
WM6 has a very iPhone like listing of apps if you hit the windows/home button as does Android; much more so than WP7. What do you expect? At some point you're always going to have a list of applications. Should they just not use icons at all and have text only or something? Getting beyond the home screen, the entire UI design is different than Android and iPhone. There's no title bars, no frames, no drop shadows, no gradients. Here's an article (by an independent 3rd party) explaining how the WP7 UI is different than other OSes. Maybe you think it's a horrible copy because it's not a copy at all?
Like I said, if you don't like WP7's UI, fine, that's your prerogative. It's just a horribly inaccurate comparison.
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WP7 only has "icons" on the secondary app list.
WM6 has a very iPhone like listing of apps if you hit the windows/home button as does Android; much more so than WP7. What do you expect? At some point you're always going to have a list of applications. Should they just not use icons at all and have text only or something? Getting beyond the home screen, the entire UI design is different than Android and iPhone. There's no title bars, no frames, no drop shadows, no gradients. Here's an article (by an independent 3rd party) explaining how the WP7 UI is different than other OSes. Maybe you think it's a horrible copy because it's not a copy at all?
Like I said, if you don't like WP7's UI, fine, that's your prerogative. It's just a horribly inaccurate comparison.
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No. It is a near copy. It has the whole black background full of icons thing. And if you look, it's basically a near information-less screen just like the iPhone.
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I expect Microsoft to be original just like they have with WM6.1 and WM6.5
i think that if we a got a wp7 device and put 6.1 or 6.5 maybee 6.5.x just think of the speed of the thing !!!!!!!
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i think that if we a got a wp7 device and put 6.1 or 6.5 maybee 6.5.x just think of the speed of the thing !!!!!!!
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I know. That's why I fully support this idea.
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No. It is a near copy. It has the whole black background full of icons thing. And if you look, it's basically a near information-less screen just like the iPhone.
I expect Microsoft to be original just like they have with WM6.1 and WM6.5
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Uhhhh wow... you're reeallllyy reaching. If you're gonna say it's a copy of iPhone then you could just say it's a copy of WM.
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I have been a long time Windows Mobile user and I've had the SX66, Dopod, Kaiser and I've bought a Tilt2 from eBay (haven't received it yet).
I'm thinking of switching to an iphone mainly because of the amount of good software it has; There are apps to manage wordpress blogs, joomla admin apps, sugarcrm applications to manage customer relations. It seems that it can get a lot more done on the iPhone than the Windows Mobile.
On the Windows Mobile platform, you tend to fiddle with ROM updates, setting up your device so that "hopefully" this time it will work fast and smooth only to discover you need another ROM flash to fix new things.
Software has been disappointing on the Windows Mobile platform, but maybe the Marketplace will change all that...I know I might get a different opinion, so what would you have to say being a Windows Mobile user?
Most of the so-called "good software" that the iPhone has is a replacement for webpages.
The Facebook iPhone app? http://m.facebook.com.
Manage a WordPress blog? Correct me if I'm wrong (which I doubt, I administer my own WordPress) but doesn't WordPress have a WebGUI you should be able to access from your phone's web browser?
The best thing about the Windows Mobile platform is that it's Windows. Microsoft doesn't try and lock down development, they don't try and lock down the apps that you can run, they don't try and lock down fiddling with the OS. You don't have to hope and pray it's in the appstore, because anything that's written for WM you can just drag-and-drop to your phone, run the *.CAB, and it's installed.
There's also the freedom from iTunes (which is the biggest PoS piece of software ever).
WM6.5 has an intuitive, speedy, and finger-friendly interface. There's really no reason to buy an iPhone over a Touch Pro 2 at this point, beyond wanting to be "trendy" (which makes you an idiot, btw).
EDIT: You say you can get "a lot more done" on an iPhone. But how when you can't run simultaneous apps?
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There's really no reason to buy an iPhone over a Touch Pro 2 at this point, beyond wanting to be "trendy" (which makes you an idiot, btw).
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What about the fact that it has hugely much more powerful hardware, a capacitive touch screen, better games, and better sound quality when playing music? Or the fact that it has a far superior and much more intuitive UI? Don't get me wrong, I own a TP2, and the iPhone was one of the options I rejected when choosing what to buy; but really, both are excellent devices. The TP2 is aimed more at business users with multimedia an afterthought, while the iPhone is primarily a multimedia device with business use an afterthought; but both are very good at what they do.
It all depends on what kind of person you are and what's important to you..
The iPhone has it's advantages. It is easy to use out of the box, and has a lot of apps for it. The TP2 is close, but not quite there yet. There are less apps and still lots of "old Windows Mobile" holdbacks like small menus (ie. the left and right menus on the menu bar).
The iPhone's screen, being a capacitive screen, is also much more responsive than the TP2's resistive screens. However, the TP2's screen has a higher resolution and IMHO looks much nicer.
What is basically comes down to is, how much do you want to customize your phone?
If you want to change anything about the basic way the iPhone works, you can't. From what I understand, you can't even change the background on your home screen. This may not be the case for jailbroken phones, I'm not sure.
If some kind of snazzy new way of navigating comes out for the iPhone 4G or whatever, you can't upgrade to it. This is not the case for Windows Mobile phones. When WM6.5 came out, I know people that have flashed it to their old HTC touch pro phones. Yes, it takes some technical know-how, but once you do it you can get almost a brand new phone out of it.
The iPhone's browser is better than Opera, but it's pretty close now. And when a new browser comes out, you can use it on your TP2, whereas with Apply you are stuck with what Apple allows you to have.
I recently bought a Tilt2 for myself and an iPhone for my wife. I am technical, she is not. I care if my phone won't turn on using a specific button, she does not. So there you have it..
Now Android, that's a whole other ballgame
if you are a WM user and even consider of a iphone just go with the Iphone i have neve consider iphone ever...yes i have tried it and know the ends and out of the iphone more than more iphone user but WM is much better.
I am surprise to find that you can run WM6.5 and most likely WM7 on old device like Blue Angel, Prophet etc.
I'll just pretend to argue for a moment:
- It could also mean that the platform itself did not evolve much.
- Platform couldn't evolve much because the software are holding back evolution.
- There are too many Windows Mobile devices, means more QA time to ensure it works on the common hardware / resolutions etc. and less time for innovations.
iPhone; one device, Appstore does the final QA process so that it at least have a good looking icon.
I seriously hope that the Marketplace changes all that in the future, is everyone happy with the window mobile apps and games at this point?
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I am surprise to find that you can run WM6.5 and most likely WM7 on old device like Blue Angel, Prophet etc.
I'll just pretend to argue for a moment:
- It could also mean that the platform itself did not evolve much.
- Platform couldn't evolve much because the software are holding back evolution.
- There are too many Windows Mobile devices, means more QA time to ensure it works on the common hardware / resolutions etc. and less time for innovations.
iPhone; one device, Appstore does the final QA process so that it at least have a good looking icon.
I seriously hope that the Marketplace changes all that in the future.
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I can run Windows 7 on a 10-year-old PC.
Your "argument" is total trash.
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I can run Windows 7 on a 10-year-old PC.
Your "argument" is total trash.
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How do you mean?
edmondt said:
I am surprise to find that you can run WM6.5 and most likely WM7 on old device like Blue Angel, Prophet etc.
I'll just pretend to argue for a moment:
- It could also mean that the platform itself did not evolve much.
- Platform couldn't evolve much because the software are holding back evolution.
- There are too many Windows Mobile devices, means more QA time to ensure it works on the common hardware / resolutions etc. and less time for innovations.
iPhone; one device, Appstore does the final QA process so that it at least have a good looking icon.
I seriously hope that the Marketplace changes all that in the future, is everyone happy with the window mobile apps and games at this point?
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How do you mean?
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Your argument is based around the fact that the newer Windows Mobile OSes can be made to run on older hardware, and supposing that because of that, the platform [Windows Mobile] hasn't evolved that much.
This [your argument] is fallacious because 10 years ago the de facto operating system standard was Windows 98, Windows ME, perhaps Windows 2000.
I recently took a PC from this era, and installed Windows 7 on it. Windows 7 runs slower on this PC than it does on a more modern PC, granted, but it still runs acceptably.
Your argument, therefore, is trash, since most (all?) of the phones we're dealing with in this context, are not so ridiculously old, and therefore it is very plausible that they run a newer OS quite well.
I read this in someone signature today and it is sooooooooo true and fits this thread...
Windows Mobile = Freedom
Apple iPhone = Fascism
I'd give credit but can't remember who...
Basically, if you want someone telling you how your phone should look, operate and preform, go with the iPhone... If you want the freedom to tinker and play with settings, layouts and preformance, Windows Mobile all the way...
Both have the ability to be plug and play devices... If this is how you plan to use it, as is, then go iPhone... As you stated, There are way more apps available to the iPhone user... But look out... Some of Microsoft recent developments show that there may still be some fight left in them... With the recent release of MarketPlace, the highly anticipated release of Windows Mobile 7 and Zune integration, it seems they are trying to spark up some competition by following in Apples footsteps...
Microsoft knows they have fallen way behind in the Mobile Phone market, especially when windows mobile is being referred to as a Legacy OS... Now it's time to take action...
Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing what they can do...
So, is it the Red Pill or the Blue Pill...? Choose wisely...!!!
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Your argument is based around the fact that the newer Windows Mobile OSes can be made to run on older hardware, and supposing that because of that, the platform [Windows Mobile] hasn't evolved that much.
This [your argument] is fallacious because 10 years ago the de facto operating system standard was Windows 98, Windows ME, perhaps Windows 2000.
I recently took a PC from this era, and installed Windows 7 on it. Windows 7 runs slower on this PC than it does on a more modern PC, granted, but it still runs acceptably.
Your argument, therefore, is trash, since most (all?) of the phones we're dealing with in this context, are not so ridiculously old, and therefore it is very plausible that they run a newer OS quite well.
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You also have to consider that just because it is newer does not necessarily mean it requires more power. Development can improve power and performance, but do not forget that development can improve efficiency as well.
I will also note that I got my tp2 yesterday. Third windows mobile phone after a Mogul and a TP1. The TP2 is -VERY- similar to the tp1, which I expected, being that they have the same OS. I will have to concur with everything that has been said defining the differences so far in this thread.
I am a manager at a sprint store and -ALWAYS- describe windows mobile phones as the free-est (is that a word?) experience out of any phone I have owned. The countless modifications you can perform overwhelm any other smartphone I have owned [iPhone, Palm Pre, HTC Hero(which rocks too)] There is almost no limit to what you can customize in your WinMo device.
This also has its drawbacks. People who want a cookie cutter, out of the box, cool device should stick to an iPhone or a Palm Pre. Those who have the know-how and the desire to tweak their device should lean toward a windows mobile device. Apples and Oranges imo.
Good luck, I know you will enjoy whichever device you decide to use.
I've been a WinMo man since 2005, when I got my Dell Axim. When the Axim was obviously dying, I decided to be open-minded and gave the iPhone a try (borrowing it from a friend) before settling on HTC TP2.
I have to say I really liked iPhone for its consistency. You only need a finger a button, and after a couple of minutes you've figured out when to use which. Graphics performance is outstanding: you drag a picture or map and it stays glued to your finger without any sign of jerkiness. And generally, everything works the way it's supposed to.
By contrast, with TP2 there is no such consistency. You start off with your finger and after a while get annoyed and pull the stylus out, then after a minute you realize you need a keyboard and pull out that one too. Then you get bored of landscape mode and shove the keyboard in, then you put the stylus back in only to pull it out a minute later (iPhone is much easier to operate with one hand than TP2). And of course it takes a lot of effort to make many things run the way the're supposed to.
Ultimately, I got TP2 for many reasons: I didn't want to be a slave to Apple, I didn't want to be a slave to iTunes, and the fact that AT&T network sucks didn't help. There is so much more you can do with Windows Mobile: with a little patience, you can customize almost anything. There is a wealth of free applications that offer really important functionality, and it doesn't feel like somebody is trying to control every one of your steps.
So I just have to agree with the others: for a lay user iPhone is the better choice but if you are technically inclined WinMo devices are more interesting and offer way more opportunities.
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I have to say I really liked iPhone for its consistency. You only need a finger a button, and after a couple of minutes you've figured out when to use which. Graphics performance is outstanding: you drag a picture or map and it stays glued to your finger without any sign of jerkiness. And generally, everything works the way it's supposed to.
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I must have better hand-eye co-ordination than everyone, but I never pull out the stylus unless I'm hand-writing notes ( :3 ) or I'm using regedit.
The only time I miss buttons is when I'm trying to select a new artist / song from the list in Windows Media Player while driving.
And seriously, when you're watching the road and operating a touchscreen out of the corner of your eyes...the icons could be the size of Texas...you'd still miss...
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By contrast, with TP2 there is no such consistency. You start off with your finger and after a while get annoyed and pull the stylus out, then after a minute you realize you need a keyboard and pull out that one too. Then you get bored of landscape mode and shove the keyboard in, then you put the stylus back in only to pull it out a minute later (iPhone is much easier to operate with one hand than TP2). And of course it takes a lot of effort to make many things run the way the're supposed to.
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I prefer to think of the stylus and keyboard as advantages. Texting/reading emails/writing emails while driving is a terrible idea. Like most terrible ideas, I have done it before. A lot. Having used a Mogul and Touch Pro before a Palm Pre, an iPhone, a Hero and a Samsung Moment, I find myself reaching for the stylus occasionally for the increased accuracy. I cannot stand even the most intuitive touch screen keyboard. I hate the Mogul, Touch Pro, Touch Pro 2, iPhone, Hero and Instinct virtual keyboards equally. Having to slide out the keyboard? I am grateful that this advanced, useful and stylish equipment allows me that convenience.
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I am grateful that this advanced, useful and stylish equipment allows me that convenience.
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I am equally grateful.
However, I'm enraged that the HD2 won't offer this...
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i've been using winmo devices since 2004 when i bought a motorola mpx200 and i've been using windows since 3.1, i've used every windows in both platforms until then. the thing i can say about windows in general is it is evolving indeed. you can't even compare a win 3.1 or even 95 with xp or especially with 7 imo and same goes for wm 2003 and 6.5.
saying windows isn't evolving based on it can be run by older devices is just dumb (no offence intended) being a former computer science engineering student i can say that the most important thing our instructors were telling us was when you programme improve your coding to require less ram and cpu power and modulate. especially win 7 does this perfectly. so it is basicly good programming rather than a not evolving platform.
about iphone vs tp2, i prefer tp2. i've used my friends' iphone 2g and 3g (i even jailbreaked and unbricked 2g actually and tried to teach how to use the 3g to the other one so you can say i tampered with both of them for a pretty good time) i truly hated both of them. i am not saying this because i want to trash iphone i understand why some people may like it but it is just no good for me. simple example: when i went into the settings i was like "what this is it??" and no multitasking? thanks but no thanks.
let's return to good programming and not evolving issue for iphone. iphone 2g os was ~250 mb, our HTC wm6.5 is what 175 mb custom roms are 130-140 mb. the nice things iphone does are because of its larger os. what apple is doing is just putting an enormous os to a phone and expecting their fast cpu to be able to handle it. i don't know about 3g s but the others weren't handling it so much imo. that's why it has no multitasking i guess, because it is barely handling the os.
and not evolving? let's take a look at iphone history. what's is the difference between 2g-3g and 3g s again? i am so glad it can now copy-paste and take videos btw (can't remember how long i've been doing these with a winmo phone). maybe even some day apple releases a 3g-sx or something and iphone users can even use video call
conclusion is you may like iphone i don't iphone has its advantages tp2 has its own but let's not be silly by saying win platform is not evolving because it can be run by older devices especially when iphone's "evolving" is well known
Why do these iPhone/Touch Pro2 comparisons keep coming up? They each have their advantages and disadvantages just like the Macs and PCs. This is a TouchPro2 forum, so obviously the bias will be towards the TouchPro2. There are numerous threads already on this. You like to play games, get the iPhone. You want your phone for business, get the TouchPro2.
One thing I really miss on TP2 is scroll buttons I had on my Axim. Now, iPhone doesn't have them either, but I found its finger scrolling works much better than on TP2. I often view pages in landscape just to make use of page up/page down buttons. I tried VolDPad to configure the volume buttons for scrolling but it's very buggy and the volume buttons are not too comfortable for scrolling anyway. BTW, what I liked best about myTouch was the trackball (you don't know what you're missing until you've tried it), but that's for another discussion.
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I am a manager at a sprint store and -ALWAYS- describe windows mobile phones as the free-est (is that a word?) experience out of any phone I have owned.
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Agreed. Compared to Apple, Microsoft is much more open and less intrusive. Apple has already become an evil empire, and Google seems to be going there.
Hi all ass google told me, there will be an unofficial update for hd2 but they still have problems with the grafic driver.
I may buy an Hd2 and i want to know your opinion about the graphic bug and if the Hd2 has enough sufficient hardware; 1Ghz cpu is MINIMUM requierement and in the video in youtube the os works really slow.
Thx
wait until its ready for the HD2 before you buy 1, because its no guarantee that it will work & if it does who knows if it will be able to download things from the marketplace
as far as graphic drivers if those arent up to par the whole UI will be pointless (laggy & choppy) to many unknowns to spend that much on a phone imo
I talked to HTC and T-mobile they expect the update mid to late june around the same time the Iphone 4g will be droppin...
sorry to say but they just fed you donkey balls =)
the only thing I have seen or even heard/downloaded is a new rom from htc and its still 6.5
it isn't 7 =/
Officially microsoft has repeatedly stated that no device will get the wp7 upgrade sadly...so take it as it were but that's the official word
Thx guys but with unofficial update i mean the russian guys who could get wp7 working on the hd2
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sorry to say but they just fed you donkey balls =)
the only thing I have seen or even heard/downloaded is a new rom from htc and its still 6.5
it isn't 7 =/
Officially microsoft has repeatedly stated that no device will get the wp7 upgrade sadly...so take it as it were but that's the official word
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can u find the official microsoft statement and give s a link here??
well..I found this:
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Cue the sad trombone, folks. If you were waiting around with your Windows Mobile 6.5 device with hopes that Microsoft would one day bless it with a new chance at life in the form of Windows Phone 7, it’s time to move on.
APC Magazine just got the full spiel from Microsoft themselves: Windows Mobile 6.5 devices won’t be upgradable to Windows Phone 7 series. (You hear that? Five hundred XDA hackers just scoffed and said “Yeah, we’ll see about that.”)
Why? Standards. Microsoft has a very, very, almost ridiculously strict set of hardware guidelines that they want manufacturing partners to follow when building Windows Phone 7 Series handsets — and for the most part, old handsets just don’t fit the bill. They either lack one of the three mandatory keys (search, back, and Windows key), or — get this — they have too many keys.
A while back, a shot of the HTC HD2 allegedly running Windows Phone 7 Series hit the net. We were quick to debunk it here, with our reasoning being that the HD2 lacked the mandatory search key. Sure enough: Microsoft’s GM of Mobile Communications in the Asia-Pacific, Natasha Kwan, says the HD2 won’t be getting the upgrade “because it doesn’t have the three buttons”.
Of course, this just means that they won’t be getting the upgrade treatment from Microsoft. As we mentioned above, there’s probably a mighty army of hackers just waiting to get their hands on Windows Phone ROMs for the sake of down-porting it to older handsets; if it’s feasible, it’ll probably happen.
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http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/03/01/windows-mobile-6-5-upgrade-windows-phone-7/
daam..now i'm becoming really the anti-microsoft..
and I never thought I would say that..not even after windows ME and Vista on pc..
how can they do this to us???
So they say just because there aint no search button..and there r to mush other buttons our phones wont get WP 7?
SO that means we (all HD2 users)just got f****d???dam..I spent alotta money not to change my phone in couple of month..since WM 6.5 is totally dead..
MS will change their mind
When all of us move to Android or stay with our HD2 another year at least, and many will buy the new iPhone, MS will realize what a fatal market research it is to force phone makers to a specific look (or buttons).
I am also reading they will not allow a layer of extra GUI like HTC sense to run on it, and want consistent look to all phones, regardless who is the maker. Unless they come up with an amazing GUI and themes , they can forget about me having WM7. I am more than happy with WM6.5 and HTC sense..
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When all of us move to Android or stay with our HD2 another year at least, and many will buy the new iPhone, MS will realize what a fatal market research it is to force phone makers to a specific look (or buttons).
I am also reading they will not allow a layer of extra GUI like HTC sense to run on it, and want consistent look to all phones, regardless who is the maker. Unless they come up with an amazing GUI and themes , they can forget about me having WM7. I am more than happy with WM6.5 and HTC sense..
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I abhor statements like this from the above poster
MS will realize the error of their ways. SURPRISE! Several users that were once wm have already moved to android and apple since 2007. Hence the campaign to revitalize the operating system. Its already been happening and if you think it can get worse for microsoft mobile after announcing wp7 to which many have said it is impressive, you are deluding yourself.
Fact remains
Google looks like vomit before htc sense, people bought google in droves. Apple has shiny buttons, people bought it in droves. I fail to see your logic from an economic standpoint beyond baseless fanboyism (dont misunderstand I am a die hard windows mobile faithful as well). People somehow buy seemingly restricted crap because of how it is marketed. Time and time again this has been proven...
so what you don't buy wp7 device...and if 100 people buy it over you, no one is really going to care if you don't buy it =)
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can u find the official microsoft statement and give s a link here??
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Are you kidding? The internet is full of official Microsoft statements. Just a simple Google search will very likely link you to all of those sites.
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Are you kidding? The internet is full of official Microsoft statements. Just a simple Google search will very likely link you to all of those sites.
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actually u should read my post below this one..
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actually u should read my post below this one..
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Sorry man. Sometimes I tend to just read posts and not check whom made the post. My bad
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Sorry man. Sometimes I tend to just read posts and not check whom made the post. My bad
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thats alright friend
but the thing is really frustrating that MS does this to its loyal clients..
plus they said they do it to offer a better experience of using WP7..this is dam ridicules..I mean alright..for better exp new phones based on WP7 should have only 3 buttons..but Y it should mean that sum recent WM 6.5 phone be out of game..
personally Im cool with WM..this is a great OS(especially on Leo)..the only problem..that we aint gettin no new content(the most important for me is decent games)..
I *think* i read somewhere that MS was going to use both OS's. 7 for the ooooo and aahhh factor and 6.5 for the more business oriented side of it because the 7 series supposedly won't run any application from the previous generation.
Waiting game.
yes, that IS what they SAID, but their actions proved otherwise IMHO when they removed smart-device development from VS2010.
This is like them saying "we still support windows XP for the business user but have decided to withdraw XP-compatible app development from all of our coding products"
So I'm curious. I keep hearing that Microsoft made the announcement that the HD2 won't be getting WP7 upgrades, but does that mean that xda developers can't hack the ROM to work with WP7? I guess my question is whether the HD2 meets the minimum system requirements of WP7. The ones that I saw only left a few things in question.
For example, I know that the HD2 is multi-touch capable but the WP7 requirements stated that it needed to be capable of four simultaneous points of contact. Can the HD2 do more than two?
Also, the WP7 requirements spoke of something like 8GB of a storage capacity, which even the US version only has 1GB. Does the MicroSD not count?
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So I'm curious. I keep hearing that Microsoft made the announcement that the HD2 won't be getting WP7 upgrades, but does that mean that xda developers can't hack the ROM to work with WP7? I guess my question is whether the HD2 meets the minimum system requirements of WP7. The ones that I saw only left a few things in question.
For example, I know that the HD2 is multi-touch capable but the WP7 requirements stated that it needed to be capable of four simultaneous points of contact. Can the HD2 do more than two?
Also, the WP7 requirements spoke of something like 8GB of a storage capacity, which even the US version only has 1GB. Does the MicroSD not count?
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Dun worry, the chefs at XDA are notorious for making ROMs not made for that particular device.
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I know that the HD2 is multi-touch capable but the WP7 requirements stated that it needed to be capable of four simultaneous points of contact. Can the HD2 do more than two?
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I don't know this 100% for sure, but AFAIK the screen on the HD2 is capable of true multi-touch, as in - as many fingers as you can fit on it. The reason it's only currently capable of 2 point touch is because there aren't drivers available to handle more. The drivers that are currently available were adapated from the HTC drivers, which don't handle full multi-touch - just 2 point touch.
you can donate for WP7 porting for HD2 if you want:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=684346
There is one definitive reason, and one stupid reason the HD 2 won't be getting Windows Phone 7.
And it won't get it, officially. If Da_G manages to do it (and I have full faith in him that if it's possible, he'll make it so), it'll still be buggy as hell.
The Stupid = Too many buttons.
Yeah, it's bad. But MS has made a commitment to be standardized across it's platform, and I can't knock that. That's a really good idea. And besides, HTC has shown time and time again that it would rather just release a new phone with upgraded software, than stick to a device and provide it regular updates.
The Realistic = No hardware scaler on the graphics board.
One of the key ways that the Xbox and the WinPhone7 are going to be able to play the same games is by utilitzing a hardware scaler instead of processing the resolution difference sperately. I doubt the HD2 has one of those.
Since I'm a new user I can't post a link but if you go to Forbes' website and click on the velocity blog you'll see an article near the bottom about HTC porting over sense for WP7.
I know that they can't put their own UI on top but they are looking into using the live tiles to be able to accomplish the same goal.
I'm thinking most likely in the form of additional live tiles and colors.
Edit: Here's some of the article so you don't have to go searching around the web.
Microsoft's February announcement that it would exert more control over the phones that use its upcoming mobile software, Windows Phone 7, would seem to be a challenge for HTC. After all, the Taiwan-based smartphone maker has made a name out of layering inventive software on top of other companies' mobile platforms.
But HTC says its custom software, which it calls "Sense", will live on, even on Windows phones. Drew Bamford, who heads HTC's user experience design team, tells Forbes the manufacturer is applying Sense to its first Windows Phone 7 devices, which are expected to launch in October.
"Microsoft has taken firmer control of the core experience [in Windows Phone 7], but we can still innovate," says Bamford. The future version of Sense, he adds, won't look the way it does on current Windows Mobile (6.5) phones, where it basically replaces all the core applications and is fully integrated into the phone.
Nevertheless, HTC is optimistic about the Windows Phone 7 launch, according to Bamford. "We won't be able to replace as much of the core Windows Phone experience, but we will augment it," he says..
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My thoughts too. OEMs are limited to six pre-installed applications. So we'll most likely see something like the mock up done in another thread here. We might see 2 single tile apps and 2 double tile apps that you could go into and change settings to make it look and feel like you want.
It's definately something I had anticipated that they might try to do but it's always nice to get some comfirmation on the subject.
I may have to think twice about possibly getting an htc phone in october. I dont want added doo-dads and bloated doo-hickies. If they do try to port their own sense experience, I hope they can be uninstalled or at least deactivated completely!
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I may have to think twice about possibly getting an htc phone in october. I dont want added doo-dads and bloated doo-hickies. If they do try to port their own sense experience, I hope they can be uninstalled or at least deactivated completely!
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Anything and everything installed by the OEM/carrier can be uninstalled.
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Anything and everything installed by the OEM/carrier can be uninstalled.
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OEMs are limited to 6 apps of limited size. The apps that the OEMs create for the phones are also limited to the same restrictions independent developers are. This includes performance. They aren't allowed to bog down the OS with bloatware.
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OEMs are limited to 6 apps of limited size. The apps that the OEMs create for the phones are also limited to the same restrictions independent developers are. This includes performance. They aren't allowed to bog down the OS with bloatware.
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Just for the sake of full disclosure, they do get access to some other APIs and integration opportunities that the rest of us don't.
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Just for the sake of full disclosure, they do get access to some other APIs and integration opportunities that the rest of us don't.
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That, I do not know. My guess is that they will considering that they are assigned Microsoft employees to help them make applications. But I don't think we'll know for sure until after they launch.
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I'm eager to see what HTC has up there sleeves.
All they can add are additional apps, so I wouldn't be worried about fragmentation at all. The main OS will not have Sense UI.
It is on Windows Phone Thoughts posted today! There is a link to Engadgets brief story as well...
I hope this will be good!
I can't wait to see how this will fully pan out. I'm with t-mobile and I hope microsoft brings it hard when they launch this wm7 phone. that goes also for htc with there sense.
Still, with HTCs recent epic fail on Android, I would advice against buying their phones.
If you need another reason, then be it to support the community, as HTC recently attempted to take down a custom ROM distributor.
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HTCs recent epic fail on Android
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What are you referring to?
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Still, with HTCs recent epic fail on Android, I would advice against buying their phones.
If you need another reason, then be it to support the community, as HTC recently attempted to take down a custom ROM distributor.
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HTC makes the best Android phones. They may have sense on some of them but not all of them. Them working some sense apps/hubs into a wp7 device won't have any negative impact on performance.
Windcape must have made a typo.
Actually Android is big HTC success.
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It may look something like this
I'm eager to see what HTC has up there sleeves.
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i hate the squre look, that is the only thing pushing me away from getting a wp7 wen it comes out. i hope htc intergrates a whole ui into 1 square where it feels like replacing the square ui (kinda like spb mobile shell in its earlyer stages where you would have to click on the softkey to go in to the ui & pressing end key would take u back to the regular today screen) not that its the best idea but it could be a start
HTC cant code software to save their lives, just look around for all the issues Sense has on various WM devices, putting that on WP7 is just asking for the device to be a crappy bugfest for which people will blame MS and probably kill any positive buzz the OS may get. Just keep Sense in ANY form far, far away from WP7.
WiPhone makes no Sense
Still can't integrate! Sounds like Sense will have to be worked around with extra steps. Also, since WP7 has no file access, you won't even be able to customize Sense anyways.
As much as MS is copying the iPhone with WP7, they should just call it the WiPhone and get it over with. No integration or real multitasking for 3rd party apps (which are usually superior or made for your niche), what's that crap?!
When I'm done with my HD2 I'll be moving on to Android or webOS.
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Still can't integrate! Sounds like Sense will have to be worked around with extra steps. Also, since WP7 has no file access, you won't even be able to customize Sense anyways.
As much as MS is copying the iPhone with WP7, they should just call it the WiPhone and get it over with. No integration or real multitasking for 3rd party apps (which are usually superior or made for your niche), what's that crap?!
When I'm done with my HD2 I'll be moving on to Android or webOS.
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Pretty much what I was thinking. I'm a big fan of HTC, but more for their HW than for the SW. Sense is "ok" at best. Think about this, if it was so great, would mods like those made by Cookie Monster be so popular? Communities like this thrive off of the customization options and the freedom. Microsoft locking it down to me feels like i'm just buying into to the masses.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not all about the whole "special snowflake" thing. I just know what I like; my money goes where I like it, not to the lesser of two evils.
I honestly see WinMo 6.5 sticking around for some time to come because of this.
http://blogs.computerworld.com/17455/more_evidence_that_windows_phone_7_sales_are_tanking
Why is it that so many people like to hate on WP7? Its as if some people dont want to give it a chance, Im assuming the majority of these people are Android and iOS fanboys, fanboys in general are just ugh...
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http://blogs.computerworld.com/17455/more_evidence_that_windows_phone_7_sales_are_tanking
Why is it that so many people like to hate on WP7? Its as if some people dont want to give it a chance, Im assuming the majority of these people are Android and iOS fanboys, fanboys in general are just ugh...
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I don't know, but I am yet to see a WP7 in the wild in NYC.
I take a subway to work and back home Mo-Fri and all I see iPhones, Android phones and Blackberries.
I don't think this article is hating on WP7, just reporting on sub-par sales figures which is likely true.
I don't agree with his last point though, WP7 is clearly a new operating system and not just the next iteration of windows mobile.
I really think Microsoft has a branding problem with their phones right now and in my opinion they should have named the os something different in order to distance it from windows mobile.
I don't think the sales figures should be a huge concern though, Microsoft doesn't need sales figures to be spectacular right out of the gate, the majority of people still don't own smartphones. I think as long as they keep building a solid product sales will grow over the next few years.
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http://blogs.computerworld.com/17455/more_evidence_that_windows_phone_7_sales_are_tanking
Why is it that so many people like to hate on WP7? Its as if some people dont want to give it a chance, Im assuming the majority of these people are Android and iOS fanboys, fanboys in general are just ugh...
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Lol, I found that the same author writes these "stories":
1. Android outselling Windows Phone 7 by 15:1, says retailer
2. More bad news for Microsoft's Windows Phone 7 launch --- potential buyers are not pleased
3. Windows Phone 7 launch --- what went wrong?
4. Windows Phone 7 launch, dwarfed by Android and iPhone, looks to be a dud
5. Ballmer sells $1.3 billion of Microsoft stock. Does he know something we don't?
6. Bad news for Windows Phone 7 launch --- big shortages may be ahead
7. For Microsoft to succeed, must Windows die?
...yeah
Don't get me wrong, I love'd my android device when I had it. However, I wanted to try something new, and was intrigued by the WP7 OS. I do believe it has a lot of room to grow, and I am not about to go along with everyone else and throw it out the window because Android/iOS can do something it cant. It's all about opening up and trying something new, and not dismissing it as soon as you turn it on, such in this guy's case.
android and "i" anything have become fad keyword/fad terms...ppl don't know what it is unless it has an "i" in front of it or android. But wp7 is still extremely new. give it time
what i don't get is why Apple and droid fans come on to Wp7 sites and articles just to leave hateful comments? They are really attempting to disuade ppl from trying it ,,,which is just retarded.
If you don't like it...fine...who cares. Why you do they have to leave negative comments on every article out there...Don't read the article if u don't care about it.
I think the high suck factor of WP7 has something to do with it.
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I think the high suck factor of WP7 has something to do with it.
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Well judging by that comment I'm sure you have never used a WP7 device. Perhaps removing your Google goggles would help with that.
chaoscentral said:
Well judging by that comment I'm sure you have never used a WP7 device. Perhaps removing your Google goggles would help with that.
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don't bother with this fanboy man. He obviously has the brain of a small rodent, like most fanboys.
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don't bother with this fanboy man. He obviously has the brain of a small rodent, like most fanboys.
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I have an EVO that I love.
I also started evaluating a Samsung Focus(WP7).
It is really impressive, it is the perfect use case for my wife. E-mail/calendar/facebook some internet. It is one of the best devices for that type of use case. The battery life is awesome. My wife won't be haxoring her phone and be on XDA.
I still like the WP7 interface. I have had a Touch Pro(wm6.5), Pre, and an EVO. I also have an ipod touch and an ipad.
So I ain't a hater.
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Well judging by that comment I'm sure you have never used a WP7 device. Perhaps removing your Google goggles would help with that.
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well said my friend.... those guys *****ing on this forum are the ppl who dont own any WP7 device.....
if they do they will have nothing to say as its the best device with the most user friendly UI (but not for those ppl who do not like to see anything stock on there phones). and its the fastes and smoothest OS as well..
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http://blogs.computerworld.com/17455/more_evidence_that_windows_phone_7_sales_are_tanking
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why ppl hate wp7 is not the question ppl hate Bill Gates and his MICROSOFT, the most succsesful man and his company.....
this guy who wrote about WP7 has written so many negetive articals about microsot and its product....
to be honest who gives a**** as MS is still printing money and dominating the PC and server arena...
please go and check the there net profits....
if all those ppl who are *****ing about cut and paste, file explorer, memory card, and whatever.... if only u have used a device for few days u will know the point of diffrence...
and if what you are saying that WP7 will fail because of those few small feature not included in the first launch then iOS and adnroid should not be around...
well I mean just like you're entitled to your opinion that WP7 is the greatest mobile OS ever, so are people entitled to the opinion that it leaves much to be desired.
I actually am somewhat excited about WP7. I like new things and a brand new mobile OS is no different, I'm sure I'll end up with a device at some point, just not willing to fork out top dollar for one right now.
You ever notice how when Android came out, the cool fad was to call anyone who didn't like it all that much an "Apple Fanboy"? and now that WP7 is out, people who don't think it's incredible are now "Android Fanboy" or "Apple Fanboy"
Just wait till some new mobile OS comes out that you personally don't care for and they'll all label you a "WP7 Fanboy"
Maybe you can address the actual faults with WP7 and admit that as smooth, efficient, and sleek as it is, there are some things that could have been improved on the device.
-copy paste - A friend with a WP7 phone couldn't even text me a phone number because there was no copy/paste feature on the phone.
- UI - Some of us hate those tiles and would like to possibly change the UI a little, wish it could be done. WP7 is just like iOS in this wise.
- closed - Of course developers can't do a damn thing with this phone other than make apps for it, kind of sad for XDA users considering what this site is about.
- bad for developers - You have to pay the stupid $100 just to be able to side-load developer apps on your phone? What kind of insanity is that?
When it comes down to it, how is this phone any different from an iPhone? Less apps, but bigger screens on more carriers, some with hardware keyboards. You have to grant that some people have legitimate concerns with the limitations of the OS.
orange...i don't know how in the world you can say the uI of wp7 is anything like the UI of ios, other than the fact that you use your finger to make selections?
the IOS puts a billion tiny squares on your screen at once. None of which do anything but sit there....WP7 at least makes them large enough to read, better contrast, and they're live...I bet no other iPhone user would say wp7 is like the IOS.
This is falacy that he been existing ever since the iphone came out. That any other phone that has a touch screen is trying to be like the iphone. Bullsh!t
Android has more similarities to iOS than WP7 does, TBQH.
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orange...i don't know how in the world you can say the uI of wp7 is anything like the UI of ios, other than the fact that you use your finger to make selections?
the IOS puts a billion tiny squares on your screen at once. None of which do anything but sit there....WP7 at least makes them large enough to read, better contrast, and they're live...I bet no other iPhone user would say wp7 is like the IOS.
This is falacy that he been existing ever since the iphone came out. That any other phone that has a touch screen is trying to be like the iphone. Bullsh!t
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I'm not trying to bash the phone with that statement, what I meant was that it was unchangeable like iOS.
I do very much prefer Metro or iOS UI, but it's like iOS in that it cannot be changed.
If you like it, then the fact that it cannot be changed should not matter.
You seem to think you speak for everyone. You can only speak for yourself.
Other people are more than capable of making their own choices, unless they're like 7 years old or something.
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10 please, TBQS.
And maybe people are skeptical of WP7 for a reason?
Man some of you are pretty damn hostile.
SWYPED from my SUPASONIC
truth is wp7 isnt selling as well as ms would have like.
i dont own one, never tried one but i myself dont like the tiles. im willing tho to give it a shot when a phone with all the features i want are included. also with software support.
c_legaspi said:
i dont own one, never tried one but i myself dont like the tiles.
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I hated those iPhone icons and Android(iphone like) icons. I was hating icons that was using on WM6.5.x, etc. I am so glad MS didn't follow that ugly icons path and came up with live tiles.
I have Samsung Focus and loving it! Looking forward for the update in Jan. Rock on MS! you did your homework and I am impressed.
The sooner I get Mango the closer I am to knowing whether to dump this phone OS and "move" back to 6.5 with my HD2 or screw it all together and jump on the iPhone 5 bandwagon. My Focus already feels old next to my HD2 and I've only had it for 10 months. Apple and oranges I know.
Thanks for you useful and informative post
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You're welcome. Enjoy your day!
Can you explain why?
IMO - if you get an iPhone you will be like the rest of the white headphone droid army that apple have created. Again IMO iPhone users tend to have a low understanding of tech issues (eg my mum and nan now have them) they just want something trendy ! WP7 and mango rules so stick wth it
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Flashmaster591 said:
IMO - if you get an iPhone you will be like the rest of the white headphone droid army that apple have created. Again IMO iPhone users tend to have a low understanding of tech issues (eg my mum and nan now have them) they just want something trendy ! WP7 and mango rules so stick wth it
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...that's not really a reason. Aside from "well I hate the popular brand".
To the OP: give some more info on what you're looking for. And how on -EARTH- could you ever even begin to think of going back to 6.5??? Ugly, slow, laggy, freezy, ugly. Yes it was functional (sorta - most programs locked up or just wouldn't work), but man. It loses to every other OS in every single category. My LG dumbphone from 2007 was easier to use than my Omnia II.
Not sure why you'd jump to an iPhone if WP doesn't do it for you feature wise. If you truly need WM type OS, Android is your daddy.
To me, the UI & integration in WP blows the iPhone (and all the others) out of the water. Its all whether you are a 'power' user or not. WP won't have that many features until Apollo most likely.
Why is the decision for you so hard to make. You already know what Mango has to offer. So why are you coming to us crying about WP7. Sounds like your mind is already made up on getting an iphone, so go get it and quit *****in
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Why is the decision for you so hard to make. You already know what Mango has to offer. So why are you coming to us crying about WP7. Sounds like your mind is already made up on getting an iphone, so go get it and quit *****in
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Yup the op was just trolling.....
I think issue with the op is the hype only lasts so long. Mango will be good, but after we get it we will bw like all the people who cried for froyo on their phones.
I'm considering getting a new blackberry personally. I pretty Mich gave up 6 months ago the state of this Os at release basically forced me to use android for 10th months longer than I thought I'd have to.... So Mich that the wp7 device is hard for me to remember I own it now...
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I think issue with the op is the hype only lasts so long. Mango will be good, but after we get it we will bw like all the people who cried for froyo on their phones.
I'm considering getting a new blackberry personally. I pretty Mich gave up 6 months ago the state of this Os at release basically forced me to use android for 10th months longer than I thought I'd have to.... So Mich that the wp7 device is hard for me to remember I own it now...
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Well hopefully your new blackberry will meet all your requirments, good luck!
Until RIM pull out of the market and leave you with nothing, at least MS are committed to WP. If you buy a BB you may as well go and buy a palm os as I feel the writing is on the wall for them
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Flashmaster591 said:
Until RIM pull out of the market and leave you with nothing, at least MS are committed to WP. If you buy a BB you may as well go and buy a palm os as I feel the writing is on the wall for them
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Man, don't hold him back. The sooner he gets his new device and finally ditches his WP7, the sooner he - hopefully - vanishes from these parts of the forums.
Nah. I'll never leave this forum. You guys are too fun!
EDIT To Add: It serves me no logical purpose just to leave because I got rid of a phone becaue I go through multiple smartphones a year and I'm quite platform agnostic, so I never know when I'll get another one. It serves my best interest to be on the up and up with all the info as well as still give my feedback and suggestions IRT the platform - or any platform I've used and feel there is a chance I may use again in the future.
But you're free to continue trolling me! I'm not so quick to bite these days, unfortunately :<
If you know my history, which dates back to my using windows mobile since the early 2000's, you'd know I'm not trolling. I just find it interesting/lame, when you say something negative and people here pounce on you! You certainly wouldn't want anyone dissenting! Perhaps it's a reflection of the average age here...ah, forget it.
Been using Skype on Windows Mobile for a long time and despite the fact that MS now owns Skype, I see no evidence of it being included in this release. Brutal! They purchased Skype in May!
It's a phone and I got to press multiple buttons to make a f***ing phone call, but just two to take a picture! Lame.
****ty audio/audiobook player.
****ty video player.
No direct access to my microSD.
No smart dailer.
I've got an Onkyo NR 509 and guess what, the app for it is available for iPad/touch/phone.
Cartoonish tiles.
Speedn has stated the issues lacking and I agree with him for the most part, but go ahead and dump on someone who doesn't agree with you, or better yet, show your lack of maturity and call him names.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=844117&page=65
Everyone has their preferences and priorities. It is unfair to call out someone just because our preferences don't match. Personally I have used Symbian, WinMo 6.5, Android, and now I am using WP7. I can see where OP is coming from as I too, sometimes, miss some of the WM6.5 features. But the reliability and polish of WP7 has changed my perception. I do not have to reset my phone (hard or soft) once every few days anymore and features, although limited, just work. I used to call out Iphone users when I was with WM6.5 or Android. But after using WP7 I don't anymore. Reason: Phone needs a polished UI and reliability (OS wise, I am not discussing at&t issues). WP7 and iOS (and WebOS) are the only ones that do it right.
To summarize, OP... go ahead and try all the options. mobile OS is way more dynamic, it is our loss if we don't take advantage of it and try them all... and in case, like me, you realize WP7 is the way to go.. you are welcome back!
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If you know my history, which dates back to my using windows mobile since the early 2000's, you'd know I'm not trolling. I just find it interesting/lame, when you say something negative and people here pounce on you! You certainly wouldn't want anyone dissenting! Perhaps it's a reflection of the average age here...ah, forget it.
Been using Skype on Windows Mobile for a long time and despite the fact that MS now owns Skype, I see no evidence of it being included in this release. Brutal! They purchased Skype in May!
It's a phone and I got to press multiple buttons to make a f***ing phone call, but just two to take a picture! Lame.
****ty audio/audiobook player.
****ty video player.
No direct access to my microSD.
No smart dailer.
I've got an Onkyo NR 509 and guess what, the app for it is available for iPad/touch/phone.
Cartoonish tiles.
Speedn has stated the issues lacking and I agree with him for the most part, but go ahead and dump on someone who doesn't agree with you, or better yet, show your lack of maturity and call him names.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=844117&page=65
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So wait, you hate everything about it... but still posted a thread asking this?
I'm the first to defend someone's right to say a negative thing about wp7 (cause I sure have), and this platform is missing a lot which gets on my nerves too, but this sounds like trolllllllllllllllllllllllllllin' to me.
Know how I know you're trolling?
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Everyone has their preferences and priorities. It is unfair to call out someone just because our preferences don't match. Personally I have used Symbian, WinMo 6.5, Android, and now I am using WP7. I can see where OP is coming from as I too, sometimes, miss some of the WM6.5 features. But the reliability and polish of WP7 has changed my perception. I do not have to reset my phone (hard or soft) once every few days anymore and features, although limited, just work. I used to call out Iphone users when I was with WM6.5 or Android. But after using WP7 I don't anymore. Reason: Phone needs a polished UI and reliability (OS wise, I am not discussing at&t issues). WP7 and iOS (and WebOS) are the only ones that do it right.
To summarize, OP... go ahead and try all the options. mobile OS is way more dynamic, it is our loss if we don't take advantage of it and try them all... and in case, like me, you realize WP7 is the way to go.. you are welcome back!
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Wow! A voice of reason. Ya, I'll give you that. It is a pretty reliable OS, but then again I have installed in comparison to my HD2 with 6.5, very few must have apps on this unit.
Thanks dude.
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So wait, you hate everything about it... but still posted a thread asking this?
I'm the first to defend someone's right to say a negative thing about wp7 (cause I sure have), and this platform is missing a lot which gets on my nerves too, but this sounds like trolllllllllllllllllllllllllllin' to me.
Know how I know you're trolling?
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How old are you? Like 12!!! Go back to playing your video games!
edved said:
How old are you? Like 12!!! Go back to playing your video games!
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Turned 30 this year tyvm.
Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional.
And fyi: the age of the average gamer is 35 (^)
You sound like a parent in the 70's when you say things like that.
The point is that this is another one of those "everything about wp7 is crap" posts. It is unhelpful because it is vanishingly unlikely that Microsoft will do an about turn and make WP7 like WM6.5 or (God forbid) like android. I think it is great when people post useful suggestions for WP7 (particularly when they also post them on MS boards) or when people come up with stuff that helps us get the best out of our phones, but I have had it with the WP7 is crap stuff, IF YOU DONT LIKE IT GET A DIFFERENT PHONE AND LET THOSE WHO ARE ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT IT TALK ABOUT IT IN PEACE.
Have a nice day y'all........