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Besides the obvious free up of local space on the EVO, what are other advantages of setting up apps2sd? I am running MIUI and would like to give it a shot if worth it. Thanks in advance.
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I ran it for a while, had my card partitioned and everything, the zipalign bonus is fantastic but that's about it, I formatted my card recently and haven't looked back to set it back up
if you has class 10 then go for it, my class 6i didn't notice much improvement, class 2 dont bother
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I ran it for a while, had my card partitioned and everything, the zipalign bonus is fantastic but that's about it, I formatted my card recently and haven't looked back to set it back up
if you has class 10 then go for it, my class 6i didn't notice much improvement, class 2 dont bother
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I've got an 8GB Class 6 card. I think I will not mess with it for now, seeing that performance wise there isn't much to be gained. Thanks for your response, buddy.
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Which applications to sdcard?
I tried both. I'm now with a2sd from darktremore.
It has many nice features, like zip align and cache relocate.
I had my apps2sd (file based) continuously loose the symlink pointers. May be fixed now ?
I tried it a2sd on my hero and haven't looked back. I do run a class 10 sdcard. For power consumption . Class 4 would probably have been adequate. Good luck in which ever you choose.
willy900wonka said:
Which applications to sdcard?
I tried both. I'm now with a2sd from darktremore.
It has many nice features, like zip align and cache relocate.
I had my apps2sd (file based) continuously loose the symlink pointers. May be fixed now ?
I tried it a2sd on my hero and haven't looked back. I do run a class 10 sdcard. For power consumption . Class 4 would probably have been adequate. Good luck in which ever you choose.
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Yea, I prefer a2sd from darktremor as well for its nice features. I'm just wondering what are the advantages performance wise by having all apps and dalvik cache on the sdcard other than the obvious gain of space on the phone.
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I think that it's just for space. Some say it's better to leave the dalvick on the phone but I really need the space so I move it anyway and it seems to work OK even on class 4.
What I'm not sure about is how Titanium backup treats the apps that have been moved... do they back up correctly or not? Right now I'm having problems with apps that I restored using Titanium backup (they won't update); but that's after moving to a different ROM than the one I used previously.
I'm also not sure why some programs still appear with the option to "Move to SD card" under manage applications. Shouldn't have they already been moved automatically by app2sdext?
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I think that it's just for space. Some say it's better to leave the dalvick on the phone but I really need the space so I move it anyway and it seems to work OK even on class 4.
What I'm not sure about is how Titanium backup treats the apps that have been moved... do they back up correctly or not? Right now I'm having problems with apps that I restored using Titanium backup (they won't update); but that's after moving to a different ROM than the one I used previously.
I'm also not sure why some programs still appear with the option to "Move to SD card" under manage applications. Shouldn't have they already been moved automatically by app2sdext?
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If I'm not mistaken, dt app2sdext works by fooling android that the ext partition is in fact the phone storage itself, hence why some apps show the option move to sd, android believes the apps are on main memory...
hope this helps!
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I think that it's just for space. Some say it's better to leave the dalvick on the phone but I really need the space so I move it anyway and it seems to work OK even on class 4.
What I'm not sure about is how Titanium backup treats the apps that have been moved... do they back up correctly or not? Right now I'm having problems with apps that I restored using Titanium backup (they won't update); but that's after moving to a different ROM than the one I used previously.
I'm also not sure why some programs still appear with the option to "Move to SD card" under manage applications. Shouldn't have they already been moved automatically by app2sdext?
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DTa2sd uses symlinks, so there is no ill effect on TB whatsoever. I have been running DTa2sd for a few months and I have nothing but good to say about it. I had one issue and it turned out to be user error (me being that user LOL.)
And for Honda, I can't quantify any impact on performance, but I unquestionably noticed a snappier performance and stability improvement after moving my dalvik to my cache partition, not to mention having almost 300 apps and still a ton of free space. As for being worth the trouble, I guess I would ask what trouble? The process was simple as can be, so yes, definitely it is worth the effort.
Also I disagree with the second post, I have a15GB class 2 and I'm still seeing benefits. Of course when I use the SD test app, it almost always shows up as a class 4 or 6. That could be a product of a2sd or MIUI as the same test shows class 2 on Evio2. YMMV
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And for Honda, I can't quantify any impact on performance, but I unquestionably noticed a snappier performance and stability improvement after moving my dalvik to my cache partition, not to mention having almost 300 apps and still a ton of free space. As for being worth the trouble, I guess I would ask what trouble? The process was simple as can be, so yes, definitely it is worth the effort.
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So you have a cache partition plus an ext partition on your Sd Card? If so, how big does the cache partition have to be for dalvik to fit?
I saw a number of comments NOT to create a cache partition on the SD card for done reason so I did not.
I re-flashed MikFroyo 4.5 AFTER setting up the EXT partition and it looks like everything got setup automatically this time around. It's been running great! The nice thing is that it doesn't screw up widgets like Froyo app2sd.
on miui all you have to do is format the sd card properly. The rom has the rest built in.
Will Apps2SD allow one to wipe and install a new ROM and not have to use Ti backup to reinstall all of the apps?
More than likely not, since many ROMS do not support dta2sd. I would just stick with TB since you can specifically restore the apps you need/want
It was my understanding that if under settings/applications, you don't 'move to sd' any apps, then by default dt a2sd will automatically install/move all apps to the ext3 partition (sd).
Conversely, if you restore an app using TI that was not originally moved to sd (using standard froyo apps2sd function), and if dt a2sd is still installed and configured for all apps to go to sd, then that app will be restored back to the dt a2sd on the ext3 partition.
Please read above carefully before responding.
So you have a cache partition plus an ext partition on your Sd Card? If so, how big does the cache partition have to be for dalvik to fit?
I saw a number of comments NOT to create a cache partition on the SD card
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No, have small swap and 960mb ext3. Once a2sd is on, use one of the dalvik move commands.
I know people are always recommending this or that on here (don't use havs, don't use sbc, clockwork is not thorough, don't move dalvik, blah, blah, blah). My stance is: nandroid and give it a go, but that's just me.
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Whether it's worth it or not is up to the individual. Everybody's gonna be a little different in how they use their phone. The sacrifice you're making is that reading from SD is slower than reading from internal memory. How much slower in real world situations? I honestly couldn't tell you, as I haven't actually tried it. I've found if I'm even getting close to running out of internal memory for apps, it means I've become an "app pack rat". So I simply clean house of all the stuff I downloaded cuz it seemed cool, but never actually used. Then again, I also don't have a ton of games, which are some of the largest apps. With a class 6 or 10 card, I'd imagine the difference would be minimal though, so if you need the room, and are willing to give up a little bit of speed, try it. You can always go back.
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Whether it's worth it or not is up to the individual. Everybody's gonna be a little different in how they use their phone. The sacrifice you're making is that reading from SD is slower than reading from internal memory. How much slower in real world situations? I honestly couldn't tell you, as I haven't actually tried it. I've found if I'm even getting close to running out of internal memory for apps, it means I've become an "app pack rat". So I simply clean house of all the stuff I downloaded cuz it seemed cool, but never actually used. Then again, I also don't have a ton of games, which are some of the largest apps. With a class 6 or 10 card, I'd imagine the difference would be minimal though, so if you need the room, and are willing to give up a little bit of speed, try it. You can always go back.
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Excellent commentary, a lot of common sense
Ok I'm using exchange, fb, pop3, gmail, and the htc thing all at once on my phone. and I have exchange set to push.
Is this the reason my phone is slow as ****? I figured an evo would be able to handle this.
I'm using synergy kingdom newest and the newest radios from cal.
I have next to nothing else running and the menus are always jerky and laggy. I've tried the other synergy godmode rom and same results
Task manager shows 311MB of 404MB being used with 93MB free.
I have a 16GB class 10 msd card in the phone that has been partitioned 128MB, 2046MB and upgraded to ext3.
How about internal memory ? It might running low, and I believe you have little bit of "too many" accounts.
Try wipe cache and dalvik as well
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How about internal memory ? It might running low, and I believe you have little bit of "too many" accounts.
Try wipe cache and dalvik as well
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Everything has been whiped multiple times.
How do I find internal memory?
I went to sd & phone storage and I have 176MB free
What are all the ways I can maximize this? I used the dconfig and told it to use as much of the sd card as I knew how to make it do.
eff it. I got away from that sense 3.0 crap. Why do people keep making roms for phones that cant use them? 3.0 was ment for a phone with 1gb memory and we have 512. I went to MIUI and so far it has been blazing fast. Although it looks odd.
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eff it. I got away from that sense 3.0 crap. Why do people keep making roms for phones that cant use them? 3.0 was ment for a phone with 1gb memory and we have 512. I went to MIUI and so far it has been blazing fast. Although it looks odd.
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Lol such a n00b thing to say. User error! You had to many accounts. I have synergy kingdom and it runs blazing fast.
Honestly I've never experienced speed in any rom except CM7. I was on nightly 29 for 5 months (laugh now) but I didn't see speed until I upgraded to the newest nightly. Blazing fast, Synergy had potential but just too much bloat on sense even though I miss through I miss the syncing.
World peace with no regard for human life.
I've just made a fresh install of android 2.3.3 but the phone keeps saying I have low memory (<20MB) on it. I've used app2sd to place ALL of the apps on the SD but no help still. I've tried some forums allready but I still have no idea how to fix this. Sometimes it can't even open my sms as it says the problem again is memory low.
If anyone can redirect me to some page or forum where this is resolved, or help me solve the problem.
Really sorry for taking your time if the solution is easier to find on google than I thought but I had no luck finding it.
Thanks in advance.
Other info: s-off-ed, android installed from http://htcdev.com/devcenter/downloads , for any other info just ask.
Also SD is 4gb.
With app2sd you will be able to move apps to SD (FAT32-partition) if the developer of the app included this feature. So I recommend to partiton your SD card with a FAT32 and an EXT4-partition with at least 1 GB (partition either with GParted or your recovery, if it supports it) and flash an A2SD+ or a DATA2SD-script via recovery.
check out supernova rom by droidzone. it gives unlimited internal memory.
+1 on supernova, works great!
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+1 for Sebs Runny mede 4.0.2.se but you need s-off and cm7/r2 with A2sdsx for unlimited (almost) space and a lovely fast ROM ta boot!
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angusc said:
+1 for Sebs Runny mede 4.0.2.se but you need s-off and cm7/r2 with A2sdsx for unlimited (almost) space and a lovely fast ROM ta boot!
Sent with Desire.
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I agree Sebs Runny Mede 4.0.2.SE - super fast and stable but only if you use have CM7/R2 with A2SDSX. I have my ext 4 partition set to 1.5 GB and after install show 1 GB of internal memory for APPS. - WOW !
Thanks but I'm really keen on keeping this version of android on. I was actually wondering what could be causing this problem of low memory space as there is almost no apps on the device (I've moved everything to SD).
Could my problem be that I haven't formatted the device while I was reinstalling android or something????
So how can I solve the problem within this OS?
I can't believe that the internal disk is full when I have nothing on it. Could sms and e-mail really take that much space as I see only those two could be making the problem.
My phone says that there is 137mb used and 11free since I've installed the new OS. I thought the internal drive should be larger than that.
Really if there is no other way of solving this I might be willing to install the supernova but I'm really hoping there's some easier way.
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Thanks but I'm really keen on keeping this version of android on.
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Then you have to live with it.
I was actually wondering what could be causing this problem of low memory space
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This problem of low memory space is, simply said, a problem of low memory space.
Really if there is no other way of solving this I might be willing to install the supernova but I'm really hoping there's some easier way.
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Yep, there is an easier way: Seb's Runnymede AIO 4.0.3
Ok, seriously: Rooting and flashing is not that hard and worth the effort - but I would highly recommend Seb's Runnymede over Supernova, too, as it's way more smooth than Supernova, which was extremely laggy - at least on my Desire.
Greets, Magpie
P.S.: Your SD card should be at least Class 6 (and max. 16 GB).
Magpie42 said:
but I would highly recommend Seb's Runnymede over Supernova, too, as it's way more smooth than Supernova, which was extremely laggy - at least on my Desire.
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OK, I was reading your posts in a few threads and now I see for sure you have no clue what are you talking about.
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erklat said:
OK, I was reading your posts in a few threads and now I see for sure you have no clue what are you talking about.
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Ah, please enlighten me, how you know.
Greets, Magpie
Magpie42 said:
Ah, please enlighten me, how you know.
Greets, Magpie
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If daily threads about smoothness and stability poping under Q&A couldn't enlighten you, I can hardly imagine there is anything I can do about that.
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erklat said:
If daily threads about smoothness and stability poping under Q&A couldn't enlighten you, I can hardly imagine there is anything I can do about that.
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But you could at least try - or tell my Desire about these wonderful threads, which will make it run faster. And these threads, which will void my own experiences, the ones, I've seen with my non enlightened eyes ... at least they are mine.
Greets, Magpie - just own experiences count
P.S.: You may have heard already that there are a couple of different hardware combinations out there. And perhaps my Desire is on the slow side and probably my combination of phone and card may not be the fastest around, but, nevertheless, a phone/card, being on the laggy side, is an even better meter for the performance of a ROM than a phone/card which is fast anyway and will run at lightspeed with even a croppy ROM.
grim2008 said:
Thanks but I'm really keen on keeping this version of android on. I was actually wondering what could be causing this problem of low memory space as there is almost no apps on the device (I've moved everything to SD).
Could my problem be that I haven't formatted the device while I was reinstalling android or something????
So how can I solve the problem within this OS?
I can't believe that the internal disk is full when I have nothing on it. Could sms and e-mail really take that much space as I see only those two could be making the problem.
My phone says that there is 137mb used and 11free since I've installed the new OS. I thought the internal drive should be larger than that.
Really if there is no other way of solving this I might be willing to install the supernova but I'm really hoping there's some easier way.
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Mate...as far as I can understand your issue, you do not want to change your Stock ROM but would want a space.....which I think would be a bit impossible somehow.....I mean, Come On...these guys are suggesting Great Solutions to your problem...the answer is in front of your eyes...if you're not into it then magic will most probably help you out..
So what would it be??
My HTC Desire is currently unrooted (I had it rooted once, but it started crashing all the time and the battery drainage was awfull..) but especially the limited capability of installing apps is getting on my nerves.
Since I ain't felling like trying around for weeks, I'd like to hear your opinion on which rom ist the most stable and fluid one.
So, my question is now, which rom is right now the most stable and fast?
From the looks I really liked the MIUI ROM I tried, but I also liked the cyanogen mod one.
Additionally: Is it usefull to change the kernel? If yes, which one and how am I supposed to do it?
-Nascor
Any ROM that is small, and fits into the internal memory.
Obviously if the ROM needs an ext partition it will be much slower.
So basically any AOSP ROM will satisfy you. (CM7, Oxygen, MIUI, dGB etc.)
k3lcior said:
Any ROM that is small, and fits into the internal memory.
Obviously if the ROM needs an ext partition it will be much slower.
So basically any AOSP ROM will satisfy you. (CM7, Oxygen, MIUI, dGB etc.)
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what do you mean by that, just ROMs which need an ext partition for "themselves" or also ones, which use it for apps?
Also, CM7 and MIUI started crashing pretty occasionally and often after a time...
Nascor said:
what do you mean by that, just ROMs which need an ext partition for "themselves" or also ones, which use it for apps?
Also, CM7 and MIUI started crashing pretty occasionally and often after a time...
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#1 Yes ROM's which use SD Card to store apps/system files will be always slower no matter what.
#2 Never had issues with either one so cant really help you, when does it happen?
Check out Mokee OS!
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1680577
k3lcior said:
#1 Yes ROM's which use SD Card to store apps/system files will be always slower no matter what.
#2 Never had issues with either one so cant really help you, when does it happen?
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well, but that's the main reason for flashing, on the stock ROM I'm just able to have really few apps installed until the internal memory is full.
The crashes where most times completly random. Sometimes it just rebooted in my pocked, another time it froze on the lockscreen, and then it froze while using it. And after some time I got stock in a bootloop (on both ROMs)
piotras1230 said:
Check out Mokee OS!
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1680577
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I like the overall look, does it run smooth and stable?
k3lcior said:
#1 Yes ROM's which use SD Card to store apps/system files will be always slower no matter what.
#2 Never had issues with either one so cant really help you, when does it happen?
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Using sd-ext doesn't mean that you'll get slower rom, as long as you have sd card with higher speed (class 6 or 10). You can try CM 7.2.0.1 from Proz0r's thread (with int2sd support) no difference with stock version trust me.
nlooooo said:
Using sd-ext doesn't mean that you'll get slower rom, as long as you have sd card with higher speed (class 6 or 10). You can try CM 7.2.0.1 from Proz0r's thread (with int2sd support) no difference with stock version trust me.
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Keep fooling yourself, tested all a2sd scripts with Class 4, 6 and 10 SD Cards.
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Keep fooling yourself, tested all a2sd scripts with Class 4, 6 and 10 SD Cards.
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And what's the proof that you're right?
I've been using some scripts for a long time and I can tell you that if you're using right scripts on right way everything is perfect.
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nlooooo said:
And what's the proof that you're right?
I've been using some scripts for a long time and I can tell you that if you're using right scripts on right way everything is perfect.
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Yeah, then make a video when you're opening large application.
First with the app on internal memory, and then with the app+dalvik+data on SD and lets see.
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Yeah, then make a video when you're opening large application.
First with the app on internal memory, and then with the app+dalvik+data on SD and lets see.
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Have you ever tried a2sdx script by Amarulz and int2sd method by Proz0r?
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So I should probably add: Which A2SD script or whatever should I use? The internal memory for apps is much too less...
Beside that, here are a few ROMs I looked into, what do you think, which one will fit my needs best (fast&stable)?
SUPERNOVA XTREME OFFICIAL
MARANGE MIUI
MOKEE OS
Oxygen ZM
Nikez Lente
Supernova if you want Sense, Oxygen if you prefer AOSP.
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Supernova if you want Sense, Oxygen if you prefer AOSP.
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isn't oxygen a bit outdated now.
ryanraven said:
isn't oxygen a bit outdated now.
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Go with OxyZM1.2 or MildWild v4.3, both Oxygen based and very smooth n stable
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got OxyZM1.2 right now, I like it so far...just 2 quick questions:
How can I move whole apps to the ext4 partition on my SD card? I'm running pretty low on memory again...just like 30MB left...
I can also backup the login data of the stock email programm, so I don't have to reenter everything every time I install a new ROM, can't I?
by the way, what's the difference from OxyZM to MildWild?
Thanks for the answers till yet!
Hi,
My experience so far is very limited but:
CM7 is bullet proof, but my experience with using the app S2E to expand internal storage was variable.
One the one hand, you can just install anything you like and not worry about space (within reason)
Downside is after a few months use it was laggy as hell. It was taking 5 seconds to open up swiftkey.
Now, I've since tried the following:
BCM, a version of CM9/ICS for Desire. It's ludicrously fast and comes with a very nice built in script for using the sd card second partition as internal space.
It's still laggy, BUT I've now learnt how to align partitions correctly and that my SD card is badly aligned.
I've got the 4EXT recovery so once I've backed it all up I can re-partition the card correctly and see how much that improves things.
BCM's a2sd script (called Mounts2SD) also allows you to disable writing file times, good speed up from that too, I use it on my desktop PC's SSD.
So far though, BCM is chomping my poor battery, even when idle.
BCM benches about 50% faster than CM7 on AnTuTu (3000 vs 2000)
It's noticeably smoother for UI interactions, my one 3D game (Monopoly) it also noticeably smoother (higher frame rate)
So, I've got to now fix the battery drain and repartition the card and then my good old Desire is all good.
There's also something called Supercharger V6 which bodes well, unless all it's tweaks are already in CM7/9/BCM.
J.
not alot between the 2 really. download attached file and put on ur sdcard, boot into recovery and flash it (install from sdcard) this will give ya more space
RoboJ1M said:
Hi,
My experience so far is very limited but:
CM7 is bullet proof, but my experience with using the app S2E to expand internal storage was variable.
One the one hand, you can just install anything you like and not worry about space (within reason)
Downside is after a few months use it was laggy as hell. It was taking 5 seconds to open up swiftkey.
Now, I've since tried the following:
BCM, a version of CM9/ICS for Desire. It's ludicrously fast and comes with a very nice built in script for using the sd card second partition as internal space.
It's still laggy, BUT I've now learnt how to align partitions correctly and that my SD card is badly aligned.
I've got the 4EXT recovery so once I've backed it all up I can re-partition the card correctly and see how much that improves things.
BCM's a2sd script (called Mounts2SD) also allows you to disable writing file times, good speed up from that too, I use it on my desktop PC's SSD.
So far though, BCM is chomping my poor battery, even when idle.
BCM benches about 50% faster than CM7 on AnTuTu (3000 vs 2000)
It's noticeably smoother for UI interactions, my one 3D game (Monopoly) it also noticeably smoother (higher frame rate)
So, I've got to now fix the battery drain and repartition the card and then my good old Desire is all good.
There's also something called Supercharger V6 which bodes well, unless all it's tweaks are already in CM7/9/BCM.
J.
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hes looking for most stable rom lol also antutu scores are pointless and mean jack s*** imho
Benchmark scores mean nothing, just a bunch of useless information that are not right. Usually all roms that I used and had big scores on benchmark apps were running much slower then the ones with lower scores. As you all can see and try roms with swap support get much higher scores but doesn't run nor smoother nor better.
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ok so i know this is a stupped question maybe but is there any way to expand my ram in this phone seeing i dont have the means to buy a newer phone???? i mean is there a back door in a rom im not seeing to use some of the internal mem for it or my sd card idk?? not looking to be blasted but any help would be thanked
tysonr78 said:
ok so i know this is a stupped question maybe but is there any way to expand my ram in this phone seeing i dont have the means to buy a newer phone???? i mean is there a back door in a rom im not seeing to use some of the internal mem for it or my sd card idk?? not looking to be blasted but any help would be thanked
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Not really, though AOSP ROMs will show more RAM available than Sense-based ROMs will. Also, most AOSP roms like CM will let you do things like enable zRAM and some other tweaks that can help with memory management. Also there are hacks out there that will let you set up a swap file on your sdcard, but that will wear out an sdcard pretty quickly. But it's not like the Galaxy Nexus where you can reclaim some memory that is normally reserved for 1080p video recording.
Thank you. I'm running the newer pacman and gapp for this phone. I've seen that its what takes up most the ram on this phone and its lacking in the ram department lol
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tysonr78 said:
Thank you. I'm running the newer pacman and gapp for this phone. I've seen that its what takes up most the ram on this phone and its lacking in the ram department lol
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If you are concerned about maximizing the RAM on this phone, use a Sense 1.0 ROM (Gingerbread) or CM 6.1/7 or as they are lighter on RAM for this device as compared to newer ROMs.
If your goal is to gain more space to hold more applications, you might want to try the Ext4 mod. See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1623038