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As we all sit waiting patiently for our new devices, let's kick off the new forum with a little conjecture.
I am from the U S , always last on HTC's list. What carriers do you think are going to pick up the TP II. What carriers do you think it would be most popular with ? We got screwed out of the Touch HD and The X1.
Do you plan to upgrade to this phone from the Tilt , or Raphael ?
Do you think that it will be the most popular phone ever for HTC.
What else?
Oh yeah FIRST ! ( I know how immature )
The specs dont really shock me to be much better then the Fuze/TP. So i might be holding back on this one.
A 3.6" WVGA screen isn't an update to its specs?
jonnrb said:
A 3.6" WVGA screen isn't an update to its specs?
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I see this as the main advantage over the Tilt/Fuze (that speakerphone options is such a scam). I wish the they included a 5mp camera along with more RAM/ROM, however i'll be coming from a Tilt if i get this phone, so seems like it's well worth it.
I see people are already comparing the TP2 to the TP/Fuze. Folks, it's not actually a touch pro 2. THATS ONLY ITS NAME!!
It's way more like an HD with a keyboard than an upgrade from the touch pro. Almost everything about it is different from a TP; bigger screen, different screen resolution, no nav buttons.. just to name the major obvious diff's...
Since I have an HD now, I kinda like it, except it has no USA 3g freq's...
Cheers...
--Jesse
I , myself was on my way to a N97 until HTC announced this. If you marginally upgrade the specs, but take away my tilt screen ( Fuze ), that is not an update to me.
I don't like symbian all that much, so the TP II is definitely the upgrade I was looking for.
i'm using a hermes and i've been waiting to get a new one since the tytn II. now i'm gonna take a brave step and buy the tp2. you could be waiting forever saying "its not that much of an improvement".
their probably doing the same as apple, in fact more generous, throwing in little improvements in to newly released devices. i
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I see people are already comparing the TP2 to the TP/Fuze. Folks, it's not actually a touch pro 2. THATS ONLY ITS NAME!!
It's way more like an HD with a keyboard than an upgrade from the touch pro. Almost everything about it is different from a TP; bigger screen, different screen resolution, no nav buttons.. just to name the major obvious diff's...
Since I have an HD now, I kinda like it, except it has no USA 3g freq's...
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--Jesse
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HD didn't have TV out!!
denco7 said:
I , myself was on my way to a N97 until HTC announced this. If you marginally upgrade the specs, but take away my tilt screen ( Fuze ), that is not an update to me.
I don't like symbian all that much, so the TP II is definitely the upgrade I was looking for.
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The main disadvantages the TPII has compared to say the N97 is the fact it is heavier and weaker on the multimedia production front with a weaker camera and video recording abilities.
the tp2 isn't worth for me to buy.
I will wait another year and a half when the more demanding devices will be coming.
With more demanding i mean devices that can run WM 7.
So a little bit patience, and if you want some stuff like tf3d2 or some other thing you like. just cook it and you can have what you want.
my 2 cents
denco7 said:
As we all sit waiting patiently for our new devices, let's kick off the new forum with a little conjecture.
I am from the U S , always last on HTC's list. What carriers do you think are going to pick up the TP II. What carriers do you think it would be most popular with ? We got screwed out of the Touch HD and The X1.
Do you plan to upgrade to this phone from the Tilt , or Raphael ?
Do you think that it will be the most popular phone ever for HTC.
What else?
Oh yeah FIRST ! ( I know how immature )
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You are not the las on the list, here in Mexico and Latin America we are the las of the list! even later than you and more expensive!
I´ll try to get one when I travel to Europe...sacrifing the 3G conectivity
I´m plannint to upgrade from Universal, but to be honest the actual specs of the phones does not are much better in some aspects than to my 2005 Uni...
Shazad.K said:
the tp2 isn't worth for me to buy.
I will wait another year and a half when the more demanding devices will be coming.
With more demanding i mean devices that can run WM 7.
So a little bit patience, and if you want some stuff like tf3d2 or some other thing you like. just cook it and you can have what you want.
my 2 cents
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You are wise mate!
That is the best decision!
I`ll do the same I think...
4 years waiting to upgrade and nothing really amazing has apeared till now...
I´m still loving my Uni!
I'm from the US too and I'm sick of HTC not coming out with phones supported the US's 3G Bands 850 and 1900, and now 1700 with T-Mobile. From HTC's website, it looks like all the neat new phones (the ones with the big screens) will be debuting in 900 and 2100 3G frequencies for Asia and Europe. I simply cannot understand why HTC doesn't continue make phones that will work on both 3G in Europe and the U.S. The TyTn (Hermes) and TyTN II (Kaiser) both worked on 3G networks in the U.S. and Europe (this is where I travel mostly).
It cannot be that expensive to include a few more 3G frequencies in each of these devices. I wish someone would explain to me whey HTC is taking this route. I have two theories. First, the U.S. carriers want to sell the phones directly and lock their customers into 2 year contracts. So to prevent us from buying European versions of the phones, the U.S. carriers have colluded with HTC to limit the 3G frequencies in the phones.
The second theory is that IP Whore Qualcomm doesn't want to pay royalties to Broadcomm over the patents Qualcomm has been violating for years. As you all know, Qualcomm is making most of the boards for HTC phones (such as the Kaiser, Touch Pro, Blackstone, and Touch Pro2.) To avoid the patent royalties, they just don't offer the offending products in the U.S.
Neither of these reasons seem like good ones. The U.S. carriers are finally waking up to the fact that they need to compete by actually offering more services at a lower price. AT&T is finally offering the I-Phone without contract. T-Mobile is offering some good month to month contracts also.
If the Qualcomm patent mess is the problem, Qualcomm should just pay Broadcomm the fracking licensing fees and charge HTC a couple more bucks per phone which can be passed on to the customer. (Yes, we will pay $5.00 more per phone to get a decent one).
If HTC doesn't get its crap together and take care of its U.S. customer base, I hope that Acer or Dell or someone comes along with some great WinMo or Android devices and cleans HTC's clock. I've been waiting for years for an HTC device with a larger screen. I love HTC but the love is fading fast.
I have given up on AT&T getting anything cool in a timely manner. You pretty much count on a new HTC phone coming out atleast 6months or more after Europe gets it.
I have been running a Touch HD on Edge with ATT since it became available online. I love the Touch HD much more than the Touch Pro I had. 2.5G speed internet is fast enough for me and I don't live in a 3G area anyway.
I value screen size and XDA support the most. The Touch pro2 seems appetizing, because I miss my hardware keyboard, but not worth going from a 3.8" screen to a 3.6" for the same hardware and keyboard.
I am holding out for the Toshiba Tg01 with the 4.1" screen and 1Ghz snapdragon processor. Finally will be able to play divx and movies smoothly, plus an even bigger screen. As long as XDA has plenty of ROM support for this phone when it comes out..I am so getting it! I'll just have to settle for Edge speed again.
I will never go back to a 2.8" screen again just to have 3G speed. 3.8" has spoiled me royally and its so much easier to read text/emails with.
T-Mobile!!
thank god the touch pro 2 is coming to tmo. laksjdf. its about time we got an upgrade to the wing. :]. as for the other services, good luck, hope you get it too.
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I have given up on AT&T getting anything cool in a timely manner. You pretty much count on a new HTC phone coming out atleast 6months or more after Europe gets it.
I have been running a Touch HD on Edge with ATT since it became available online. I love the Touch HD much more than the Touch Pro I had. 2.5G speed internet is fast enough for me and I don't live in a 3G area anyway.
I value screen size and XDA support the most. The Touch pro2 seems appetizing, because I miss my hardware keyboard, but not worth going from a 3.8" screen to a 3.6" for the same hardware and keyboard.
I am holding out for the Toshiba Tg01 with the 4.1" screen and 1Ghz snapdragon processor. Finally will be able to play divx and movies smoothly, plus an even bigger screen. As long as XDA has plenty of ROM support for this phone when it comes out..I am so getting it! I'll just have to settle for Edge speed again.
I will never go back to a 2.8" screen again just to have 3G speed. 3.8" has spoiled me royally and its so much easier to read text/emails with.
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I totally agree with your sentiments. I hate that damn 2.8" screen. I've been using my old Blue Angel with a great WM6.1 ROM at home. It still rocks. I prefer using it over my Kaiser just because of the large screen. I just hope that they will get these devices out to the U.S. fast. I'd love it if I could buy a Rhodium or Superstar which would work on either T-Mobiles or AT&Ts network (I.e., 850, 1700, 1900 bands).
I would love to get this phone but I guess im just indecisive.. or am I?
65k screen.. 3.2MP camera with no flash.. 512MB Internal Memory.. No real upgrade on the processor = Real let down
Does this phone have the tilt control like the ipod? or just the accellarometer for screen rotation (i know it has that).
It looks beautiful with the metal band around to side but the more I look at the specs the more im starting to be put off by it. Yeah they bumped up the screen and gave it better conferencing functions but does it really do enough to outweigh the downsides.
I think we should all chip in our pocketmoney and build the perfect phone
Mine would have a 1GB processor, 3.6inch WVGA 256k touchscreen, 32GB Internal memory, 8MP Camera with xenon flash, Windows Mobile operating system, slide out and tilt keyboard. Err cant think of anything else right now but that would make me pretty happy, if anyone wants to add to the list then feel free and we will get right to work on it
Ohh btw Denco I know you like mixing it up in the threads haha
I don't think that this will be released on ATT any time soon if at all, however, it should be coming up on T-Mobile due to something found in one of the ROMs.
The TP2 is pretty nice, but not much of an upgrade to the Fuze I have right now, just a bigger, better screen, a better keyboard, tilt, and official free WM 6.5 upgrade. If it was the best phone on the market then I would get it, but I think im going with either the Omnia HD, the SE Idou (If it comes out within 3 months ), or the TG01. Hopefully XDA will support the TG01.
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I don't think that this will be released on ATT any time soon if at all, however, it should be coming up on T-Mobile due to something found in one of the ROMs.
The TP2 is pretty nice, but not much of an upgrade to the Fuze I have right now, just a bigger, better screen, a better keyboard, tilt, and official free WM 6.5 upgrade. If it was the best phone on the market then I would get it, but I think im going with either the Omnia HD, the SE Idou (If it comes out within 3 months ), or the TG01. Hopefully XDA will support the TG01.
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OOO the Omnia HD looks SAWEEEETT!! OLED screen with 16 Million colours but no keyboard and a symbian operating system puts me of it..
Love the 12MP camera on the Idou but again the lack of slieout keyboard and the symbian OS lets it down for me.. I might be able to get over the operating system but I NEED my slide out keyboard for writing documents on the go.
Ughh whats a man to do haha
utvol06 said:
I have given up on AT&T getting anything cool in a timely manner. You pretty much count on a new HTC phone coming out atleast 6months or more after Europe gets it.
I have been running a Touch HD on Edge with ATT since it became available online. I love the Touch HD much more than the Touch Pro I had. 2.5G speed internet is fast enough for me and I don't live in a 3G area anyway.
I value screen size and XDA support the most. The Touch pro2 seems appetizing, because I miss my hardware keyboard, but not worth going from a 3.8" screen to a 3.6" for the same hardware and keyboard.
I am holding out for the Toshiba Tg01 with the 4.1" screen and 1Ghz snapdragon processor. Finally will be able to play divx and movies smoothly, plus an even bigger screen. As long as XDA has plenty of ROM support for this phone when it comes out..I am so getting it! I'll just have to settle for Edge speed again.
I will never go back to a 2.8" screen again just to have 3G speed. 3.8" has spoiled me royally and its so much easier to read text/emails with.
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1. 2.8" I can totally understand and I'm ACHING to get rid of my Titan for a nice large screen. However, is the difference between 3.6" and 3.8" really that big? Now if I had a touch HD I probably just wouldn't see enough difference between the two to switch. However, the screen wouldn't be the reason for me. Also, I'm wanting bigger and bigger screens too. 4.1" might be a little overkill for the pocket, but 3.8" is deffinitly fine.
2. Is the hardware on the HD (same as TP2 as you said) really not good enough to run full res videos smoothly? Is you device optimized through all the known XDA-Dev ways? This makes me a little nervous because I'm really hoping for this on the TP2. Does the TP2 have proper Hardware acceleration drivers? I'm hoping the TP2 will.
Edit: After thinking about it some I take back my comment about the 4.1" screen. That might actually be the perfect size once they get the edges of the device right up to the screen. 4.1" WVGA is actually the same width as the iPhone (2.1"), but it's a full .7" longer. I wouldn't be surprised to see the next iPhone with a 4.1" WVGA screen. That would be positively sick! I guess I'll still be constantly looking to the future even after getting a TP2
mskip said:
I think we should all chip in our pocketmoney and build the perfect phone
Mine would have a 1GB processor, 3.6inch WVGA 256k touchscreen, 32GB Internal memory, 8MP Camera with xenon flash, Windows Mobile operating system, slide out and tilt keyboard. Err cant think of anything else right now but that would make me pretty happy, if anyone wants to add to the list then feel free and we will get right to work on it
Ohh btw Denco I know you like mixing it up in the threads haha
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Personally, I'm holding out for one of these.
*Unofficial
That's taken slightly out of context, but HTC Russia announced in a twitter post today that only the HD 2 will be getting a firmware upgrade to Windows Phone 7.
"For Diamond 2 firmware is not planned. Of the existing communicators on the market, only the HD2 firmware to get WM7."
Check it out here: http://gizmodo.com/5437188/htc-russia-claims-only-the-hd2-will-get-a-windows-7-upgrade
That's kind a of bummer, although I'm sure that some of our fantastic chefs here will cook up something that will allow WinMo 7 on the TP2.
I'm on Sprint and am still running 6.1 stock in the name of saving battery life. But I must say that it still ticks me off sometimes that my phone requires a RAM hogging visual overhaul in order to make it useable.
But I digress, I don't want to turn this into a bad mouthing thread. I LOVE my Rhodium, the hardware is fantastic and I have yet to find a phone that I can compare to mine. It's just that 6.1 is only "alright" and 6.5 feels like a let down. Then to hear that we won't be officially getting the savior of Windows Mobile, WinPhone 7, it just feels sad.
I mean, I'm sure our Qualcomm 7600 528MHz should be able to run next generation software. It's not as powerful or even comparable to the HD2, but it's far from being underpowered.
In other news, Windows Mobile will be getting Xbox live! Hooray! Microsoft is going to take something that they actually did right (Xbox live) and expand it onto other fields. This is really exciting, I can't wait to see what comes of this.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/30/windows-mobile-and-xbox-live-coming-together-according-to-micro/
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*Unofficial
That's taken slightly out of context, but HTC Russia announced in a twitter post today that only the HD 2 will be getting a firmware upgrade to Windows Phone 7.
"For Diamond 2 firmware is not planned. Of the existing communicators on the market, only the HD2 firmware to get WM7."
http://gizmodo.com/5437188/htc-russia-claims-only-the-hd2-will-get-a-windows-7-upgrade
That's kind a of bummer, although I'm sure that some of our fantastic chefs here will cook up something that will allow WinMo 7 on the TP2.
But I digress, I don't want to turn this into a bad mouthing thread. I LOVE my Rhodium, the hardware is fantastic and I have yet to find a phone that I can compare to mine. It's just that 6.1 is only "alright" and 6.5 feels like a let down. Then to hear that we won't be officially getting the savior of Windows Mobile, WinPhone 7, it just feels sad.
I mean, I'm sure our Qualcomm 7600 528MHz should be able to run next generation software. It's not as powerful or even comparable to the HD2, but it's far from being underpowered.
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I saw that on the Twitter of a techblog I read.
I thought I already saw somewhere that it was definite the TP2 would not get the *official* WM7 upgrade due to the hardware limitations. I thought the 1Ghz processor was a [true] necessity.
Just my thoughts (subject to change as things start leaking for WM7):
Really, the 528MHz processor is pretty underpowered. It's the same processor of the Raphael, and our Rhodiums are supposed to be a generation ahead (TP1 / TP2). Simply using the Leo ROMs available on XDA, people start complaining about lag and such - and that's still essentially WM6.5. Imagine the lag we would get with WM7. However, I would probably hop onto a WM7 beta ROM once they start cooking here on XDA.
Of course XDA will provide us with WM7.
OMGWTF_BBQ said:
*Unofficial
That's taken slightly out of context, but HTC Russia announced in a twitter post today that only the HD 2 will be getting a firmware upgrade to Windows Phone 7.
"For Diamond 2 firmware is not planned. Of the existing communicators on the market, only the HD2 firmware to get WM7."
Check it out here: http://gizmodo.com/5437188/htc-russia-claims-only-the-hd2-will-get-a-windows-7-upgrade
That's kind a of bummer, although I'm sure that some of our fantastic chefs here will cook up something that will allow WinMo 7 on the TP2.
I'm on Sprint and am still running 6.1 stock in the name of saving battery life. But I must say that it still ticks me off sometimes that my phone requires a RAM hogging visual overhaul in order to make it useable.
But I digress, I don't want to turn this into a bad mouthing thread. I LOVE my Rhodium, the hardware is fantastic and I have yet to find a phone that I can compare to mine. It's just that 6.1 is only "alright" and 6.5 feels like a let down. Then to hear that we won't be officially getting the savior of Windows Mobile, WinPhone 7, it just feels sad.
I mean, I'm sure our Qualcomm 7600 528MHz should be able to run next generation software. It's not as powerful or even comparable to the HD2, but it's far from being underpowered.
In other news, Windows Mobile will be getting Xbox live! Hooray! Microsoft is going to take something that they actually did right (Xbox live) and expand it onto other fields. This is really exciting, I can't wait to see what comes of this.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/30/windows-mobile-and-xbox-live-coming-together-according-to-micro/
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Welcome to forums
Thanks for your information.
Rhodium will have it one way or another!
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Completely agree
if you remember, the htc wizard was not supposed to get a winmo 6 update, but I made a pretty durable rom for it. it ran one of the later OS's and after working the graphics down, it ran faster than a kaiser running the same build.
I am pretty sure that the TP2 will be able to handle win 7. the only thing that might be stopping it is the touch screen. dont they say that it has to have a capacitive screen for winmo 7 for multitouch?
personaly, i hate capacitive screens that do not allow stylus. I like drawing too much. I have a program called Pocket Artist (photoshop for winmo) and I use it all the time. however, It might not be as accurate with out a stilus.
the other thing is that the winmo 7 kernel is supposed to be the smallest ever. meaning that everything else is just bloatware. so if a lot of bloatware is removed... it will run winmo 7 as well as a wizard runs winmo 6.5 at least.
sumflipnol said:
I saw that on the Twitter of a techblog I read.
I thought I already saw somewhere that it was definite the TP2 would not get the *official* WM7 upgrade due to the hardware limitations. I thought the 1Ghz processor was a [true] necessity.
Just my thoughts (subject to change as things start leaking for WM7):
Really, the 528MHz processor is pretty underpowered. It's the same processor of the Raphael, and our Rhodiums are supposed to be a generation ahead (TP1 / TP2). Simply using the Leo ROMs available on XDA, people start complaining about lag and such - and that's still essentially WM6.5. Imagine the lag we would get with WM7. However, I would probably hop onto a WM7 beta ROM once they start cooking here on XDA.
Of course XDA will provide us with WM7.
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This really troubles me personally. As under Moore's law technology is suppose to double every two years, with mobile phone technologies this seems to be happening every two months. :|
Going from the Qualcomm 7600 to a 1GHz is a massive leap! I'm sure by Q1/2 2010 we will be seeing processors in cell phones that are to rival the Atom 1.6GHz in my netbook. The remaining problem is that of battery life, although underclocking and new technologies and better batteries will solve that.
I guess my problem is that I shelled out ALOT of money for this phone and it's predecessor (Which was unveiled the DAY I received my TP2) doubled the power with a 5MP camera and upgraded interface. But again, I bought my phone for it's keyboard; which has yet to disappoint.
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Welcome to forums
Thanks for your information.
Rhodium will have it one way or another!
Completely agree
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Thanks orb3000! I've been here, but have only silently watched.
Yah, I figured you guys would eventually make something.
Although sometimes I just feel as if my TP2 is bloated running all the fancy bells and whistles of Touchflo 3D. Even with just Windows Mobile 6.1, there's just so much unnecessary junk going on that it's "weighing down" the phone. I love the fact that my phone is a true "computing device" but sometimes it makes me feel as if I'm stuck using Windows 98.
Personally I wish Microsoft would release a "light" build of Windows Mobile 7. The best way to make new customers is to keep your old ones happy.
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if you remember, the htc wizard was not supposed to get a winmo 6 update, but I made a pretty durable rom for it. it ran one of the later OS's and after working the graphics down, it ran faster than a kaiser running the same build.
I am pretty sure that the TP2 will be able to handle win 7. the only thing that might be stopping it is the touch screen. dont they say that it has to have a capacitive screen for winmo 7 for multitouch?
personaly, i hate capacitive screens that do not allow stylus. I like drawing too much. I have a program called Pocket Artist (photoshop for winmo) and I use it all the time. however, It might not be as accurate with out a stilus.
the other thing is that the winmo 7 kernel is supposed to be the smallest ever. meaning that everything else is just bloatware. so if a lot of bloatware is removed... it will run winmo 7 as well as a wizard runs winmo 6.5 at least.
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The Wizard is a little before my time. My previous phone to my TP2 was the LG Chocolate. Major upgrade for me.
But I get where you are coming from. I've been working with computer for all my life and know what it's like to work with systems that weren't originally designed to carry the software that they operate on.
Personally, I don't care about graphics. I just want a system that works well and gets the job done.
I also hear you on the stylus. I really don't have a problem yanking mine out and poking at the screen with it. Makes me feel sophisticated, lol.
"You use your finger to touch your screen, how dirty and primitive! Use a utensile for christ sake!"
That was a dramatisation, lol.
So thanks S.V.I, those are encouraging words. It'd be great to have a crapware free OS.
Maybe by then I'll be able to work on a ROM myself so I may optimise it to my liking. But until then I'll contribute what I can and continue doing my little tweaks here and there.
So, after the last few days leaks from Engadget.com, does anyone think that the Dell Lightning might just kill anything HTC has to offer (no updates, other than 'we will in Q4/Q1...)?
Is Dell going to be the next HTC in the WinMo/WinPho market???
I mean, Josh even calls it his "Next Phone"...?
So, again, my question is; Will Dell replace HTC in the WinMo/Pho world???
stained-steel said:
So, after the last few days leaks from Engadget.com, does anyone think that the Dell Lightning might just kill anything HTC has to offer (no updates, other than 'we will in Q4/Q1...)?
Is Dell going to be the next HTC in the WinMo/WinPho market???
I mean, Josh even calls it his "Next Phone"...?
So, again, my question is; Will Dell replace HTC in the WinMo/Pho world???
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absolutly not , their wp7 device sucks even the old hd2 is better than it in specifications
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absolutly not , their wp7 device sucks even the old hd2 is better than it in specifications
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How is the HD2 better? It offers the very similar specs. Except the HD2's camera has camera flash and the Lighting has a OLED Screen. After playing with the Zune HD's OLED screen I'd easily take the Dell Lighting over the HD2.
Dell is thicker because it has this keyboard which I don't care for. I also have doubts that a vertical slider with a 4" screen is such a brilliant idea.
In any case, announcing one device doesn't make Dell a new HTC. The specs of this lightning are just borderline minimum specs for a WP7 device.
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How is the HD2 better? It offers the very similar specs. Except the HD2's camera has camera flash and the Lighting has a OLED Screen. After playing with the Zune HD's OLED screen I'd easily take the Dell Lighting over the HD2.
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more ram and bigger screen
vangrieg said:
Dell is thicker because it has this keyboard which I don't care for. I also have doubts that a vertical slider with a 4" screen is such a brilliant idea.
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I had the very same impression at first. The more I thought about it though, the more it makes sense: First off, it keeps the Metro theme from having to change into a landscape mode. If you watch any videos of the WinPho7 OS operating, it's completely designed to stay in portrait. Also, many successful devices have been released with portrait keyboards, and I think with a little getting used to it, it may actually be easier and faster to type on than a landscape one.
In any case, announcing one device doesn't make Dell a new HTC. The specs of this lightning are just borderline minimum specs for a WP7 device.
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Actually, the Lightning is just one of a whole slew of handhelds and MID's that Dell is releasing over the next few months or so!
When you say that the specs are 'borderline minimum', I think you're missing a very important point: WinPho7 required specs are better than probably, 95% of the what's on the smartphone market, right now!
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more ram and bigger screen
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Where do you see that the HD2 has more RAM???
Lightning = 1GB ROM/512MB RAM.
HD2 = 512MB ROM/448MB RAM.
Also, bigger screen? LOL By 0.2 inches! Which will actually lead to a slighlty higher pixel depth on the Lightning, considering they are both WVGA!
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Actually, the Lightning is just one of a whole slew of handhelds and MID's that Dell is releasing over the next few months or so!
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Except those are Android devices.
stained-steel said:
When you say that the specs are 'borderline minimum', I think you're missing a very important point: WinPho7 required specs are better than probably, 95% of the what's on the smartphone market, right now!
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There's no doubt that all WP7 devices will be better than 95% of the market, but I certainly hope that Lightning will soon be a low-end WP7 device.
Waaayyyyyyy too early to declare Dell WP7 king. Yea, the lightning looks pretty sweet but does anyone actually think HTC won't have something pretty awesome for the WP7 launch? How will the hardware quality be in the Dell device? Didn't HTC manufacture the old Axim devices? Who will make the Dell devices? So let's just wait at least til HTC's plans leak because one rendered device doesn't mean much at all.
Yep, HTC and, I would add, Samsung yet have to say something.
stained-steel said:
Where do you see that the HD2 has more RAM???
Lightning = 1GB ROM/512MB RAM.
HD2 = 512MB ROM/448MB RAM.
Also, bigger screen? LOL By 0.2 inches! Which will actually lead to a slighlty higher pixel depth on the Lightning, considering they are both WVGA!
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you seems to be new to hd2 ,hd2 now has 576 mb of ram unlocked by flashing new radio ,and the tmobile hd2 has 576 mb ram ot of box and 1gb rom
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you seems to be new to hd2 ,hd2 now has 576 mb of ram unlocked by flashing new radio ,and the tmobile hd2 has 576 mb ram ot of box and 1gb rom
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Nope, not new to the HD2, don't have one!
I'm not declaring Dell the new king of mobile phones or anything, but I found it interesting that they saw fit to release so many seemingly nice mobile devices in such a short span of time.
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Nope, not new to the HD2, don't have one!
I'm not declaring Dell the new king of mobile phones or anything, but I found it interesting that they saw fit to release so many seemingly nice mobile devices in such a short span of time.
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quantity not quality. they are the new kings for sure!
(just to contribute something senseless to a senseless thread)
As big as Samsung and HTC are in the phone world, I think Dell is still the bigger name overall for the general consumer in the US. If you lined up Joe Schmoe in front of Dell, Samsung, and HTC wp7 phones. Which are probably going to have pretty much the same functionality at launch. I think Joe would pick the Dell because of name recognition and it's stunning visual appearance.
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As big as Samsung and HTC are in the phone world, I think Dell is still the bigger name overall for the general consumer in the US. If you lined up Joe Schmoe in front of Dell, Samsung, and HTC wp7 phones. Which are probably going to have pretty much the same functionality at launch. I think Joe would pick the Dell because of name recognition and it's stunning visual appearance.
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You think Joe Schmoe has better name recognition for Dell than Samsung?
Dell makes computers.
Samsung makes TVs.
Think about that one for a while...
of course Samsung also has a good name recognition regarding mobile phones. Dell is big expensive computers, that's it. but of course we all here would choose HTC..... if it only wasn't running WP7
A question for my fellow Rhodium owners: What phone do you plan on (with the information on hand) going to next?
I'm on AT&T, and won't switch for many legacy reasons. I feel like there's no good options at this time. If I want to stay Windows Mobile, I either lose HTC or the keyboard, neither of which seems like an upgrade to me. If I go Android, the only good keyboard HTC phone is the Desire Z, and AT&T hasn't announced it yet. I want to stick with HTC on AT&T, but it looks like if I need a keyboard, it's LG WinPho7, or Samsung Android. Are there any better options? What are the rest of you, devotees of the amazing tilt keyboard form factor, planning on doing with this next generation of phones?
MS is unveiling Windows Phone 7 today, and a whole slew of phones have been announced for ATT, Sprint, and T-Mob. Many of the handsets will be available in the next couple months. WP7 is still an unknown. But MS has dumped lots of $$$ and time into its development. It remains to be seen if the new OS can compete with iOS4 and Android, but its worth considering.
Phonedog says the phones have appeared on ATT's website, but I can't find them. The HTC offering from ATT seems like an odd form factor, with a slide-out speaker instead of a keyboard. Multi-media is nice, but it doesn't trump the functionality of the keyboard, for me.
http://www.phonedog.com/2010/10/11/htc-surround-samsung-focus-lg-quantum-appear-on-at-t-s-site/
Sprint may have gotten the best successor to the TP2, in the form of the 7 Pro. Considering the name, this may be the "real" successor to the Touch Pro line. Looks like it even includes the tilt screen, and the 5th row of keys for the numbers; features which are both missing from HTC's recent keyboard-toting Android options (Desire Z and the T-Mobile G2).
http://www.phonedog.com/2010/10/11/htc-announces-five-windows-phone-7-devices-including-7-pro-for-sprint/
Assuming WP7 is up to the hype, we can hope and pray a version of the 7 Pro will come to ATT. But I'll bet we are in for a wait, if we get it at all. I'm in the same boat, as I am on ATT and don't plan to switch anytime soon.
Yeah, the HTC Surround, with the slide out speaker, seems useless. The sliding form-factor makes the phone really thick compared with a standard touch phone, and without a keyboard, there's not enough of a trade-off.
Thank you for posting the link to the 7 Pro, which seems like the best phone I've seen all year, and definitely the perfect successor to the Touch Pro 2. Given the Tilt's history with AT&T, I'm going nuts here that AT&T isn't getting it, at least not yet. Please, HTC, promise me it's coming!
I'm going to have to upgrade in the next six months if I don't hear about a "coming soon" keyboard phone that's going to make it work waiting a little longer, so somebody better start leaking info...
Here it is at Engadget:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/11/htc-7-pro-first-hands-on/
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/10/htc7pro33.jpg
This phone has me salivating. I was ready to jump ship to Android, but if this comes to AT&T, I think I can give Microsoft another 2 years easy.
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Here it is at Engadget:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/11/htc-7-pro-first-hands-on/
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/10/htc7pro33.jpg
This phone has me salivating. I was ready to jump ship to Android, but if this comes to AT&T, I think I can give Microsoft another 2 years easy.
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7 Pro
Look at that 7 Pro...
My goodness...thats my next. Without a doubt, although they say it's only coming to Sprint in the US, hopefully they will make an unlocked/gsm version. I'm on Tmo and I've never had 3G since before the TP2 I have the TyTn2. I don't think HTC would be that ignorant as to not release the 7 Pro on a GSM carrier in the US, It would make absolutely no sense.
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Look at that 7 Pro...
My goodness...thats my next. Without a doubt, although they say it's only coming to Sprint in the US, hopefully they will make an unlocked/gsm version. I'm on Tmo and I've never had 3G since before the TP2 I have the TyTn2. I don't think HTC would be that ignorant as to not release the 7 Pro on a GSM carrier in the US, It would make absolutely no sense.
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I agree. I can't find any sales figures, but the Touch Pro 2 occupies a very important business professional niche in the market, and HTC would be ill-advised to abandon it. Expecially when they've already got an amazing design, it wouldn't make sense to limit yourself just to Sprint. After all, Sprint exclusives aren't exactly tearing up the market.
htc 7 pro. looks niice.
linky.
Nothing I've seen so far has the same 5 row killer hardware keyboard as the TP2 so far (including the Desire-Z). It really is unsurpassed. At the same time, capacitive screens, touchscreen keyboards and the predictive algorithms behind them have got so much better than when the TP2 was designed, and we have Swype as well.
Based on this fact, it isn't necessarily a compromise to move away from a hardware keyboard nowadays. It depends on what you find important on your phone. I like photography and browsing on a large display and it'll be great to have a decent camera on me wherever I go. My next phone will probably be the Motorola XT720 Milestone as a result.
Touch pro 7 looks good but why the hell did they give it only a 3.6' screen? With the size of the phone they could have easily stretched the screen size to 4' or made it 3.7' at least, so it doesnt look like a downgrade for us TP2 owners. If that screen was 4', I would have been tempted to go for a WP7 phone but for now I still want to go 'De Android Way'
Right now, I have lost my interest in the Desire Z cos of the delays issues we have here in Europe. I would have gone for the Samsung Epic but we are not getting here so for now I will be putting off my next phone purchase for about 8 months or so, say June 2011.
Right now I am not sure what my next phone will be. I already have a HD2 along with my TP2 and Touch HD. I prefer WM but I rather wait on WM7 until one of our Great Chefs/Developers port it for the HD2 so I can evaluate the OS
it should be HTC 7 Pro
My two bits.
I knew wm phones before and had decided never to make the same mistake of having one as my main phone again. The only thing that changed that was the full qwerty 5 row keyboard.
I will only change to a much better processor, and i repeat MUCH better, no smaller screen, larger battery (don't care if the phone gets bigger) and multi touch screen.
Again much much better processor
i went from a tilt 2 to htc evo. i love my evo but i miss my tilting screen and keyboard dearly. it would be more forgivable if the evo supported blue tooth hid keyboard support but stock rom does not and the only ROM that does, which is very popular, is a ROM that i don't like, aka cm6.
i poked around here tonight to see exactly what the op was after and i don't think we have anything in the future like some of want.
another thing is that i have pleged that i will not have another wm phone, me and my family stuck with wm since 8125 and we now have the same out look as m$ when it comes to wm. this is the only reason for stipulating aos.
here is my dream phone
aos
4.3 led capcitive
slide/ tilting keyboard
2 cameras
1 ghz plus cpu
dedicated gcpu
1GBram
16GB internal
sd external
bright leds on back for flash and light
it needs to stay thin and have good sound and battery life, lol
plus all the other things we have come to expect from a smart phone.
price: less than $500
basically, touch pro + evo + some upgrades.
Im also wondering what my next phone will be. Im afraid to switch to android for fear its too 'dumbed down' compared to what Im used to, but it appears theres enough android hacking going on that it will probably be fine. I use outlook sync and know that can be a pita with android.
Im also afraid WP7 may be too dumbed down as well. No 3rd party multitasking and cut and paste? what are they thinking?
Anyway, love the looks of the 7 pro, but am I reading it correctly that it doesnt have a microSD slot? that cant be right
Sounds like my dream phone... and u know its possible, but will they make it?? And for all the carriers like the galaxy did... of course not, they feel the need to keep us asking for more
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here is my dream phone
aos
4.3 led capcitive
slide/ tilting keyboard
2 cameras
1 ghz plus cpu
dedicated gcpu
1GBram
16GB internal
sd external
bright leds on back for flash and light
it needs to stay thin and have good sound and battery life, lol
plus all the other things we have come to expect from a smart phone.
price: less than $500
basically, touch pro + evo + some upgrades.
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My next phone will be the VzW version of the EVO, to come out soon.
I'll keep my TP2 till she dies ... but after a (very) short memorial service/wake, I'll get the EVO. Cool like the TP2, but makes the iPhoneys jealous!
Oh and my dream phone should be water proof, lol
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well i always like phone that you can use with one hand.. hint hint t-mobile shadow 1, the touch pro2 was a nice switch but the t-mobile shadow had some advantage over it with it compact qwerty key pad, to sum it up the dell venue might be my next purchase... looking at the touch pro 7 spec it looks like Microsoft hint the jack pot using the first gen of snapdragon processor to power these deceive without having to use the second or third line up of snapdragon processor.
with that being said i feel like there not going to pull an iphone on me.... dell venue S, dell venue 2 SS, dell venue's SS 2.5, dell venue 3G, dell venu.... well u get the point
does anybody know if the dell ven going to support nextflic
The 7 Pro is amazing hardware, but the OS kills it. I just hope HTC brings the form factor to Android.
Just out of curiosity, how many of you are holding out on buying a new WP7 phone until 2nd generation? I know for the average user, these specs may seem amazing, but for the advanced/techy users, it seems under-powered.This is especially because they're using a 2 year old CPU when a more recent one that has better 3d performance and battery life is out in the market.
I, for one, will be holding on to my Touch Pro until 2nd generation WP7 comes out. Anyone have any idea when that will be?
would like to hold out, but the problem here is my touch pro's backspace, space, 1, tab, and fn key has basically died out on me
You should use the swype keyboard. I never went back to the physical keyboard once I started using swype.
tried it
don't really like it
i still prefer physical keys though
but yah, i'm looking to get the venue pro. but it seems to look like the tp's keyboard, and frankly, i do dread it a little
If i had a decent phone today i would wait for second gen, but i'm on an HTC Magic now, running Android 2.1 and everything is soooooooo slow i feel like throwing the phone into the wall. Can hardly scroll on this forum on the phone because it's so laggy.
Have set my eyes on an HTC Mozart.
I'll definitely be waiting for the 2nd gen. All the phones looks pretty ugly IMO, not to mention the old processors....and the AT&T selection sucks.
I'd like to wait, but my Fuze is on life support. As much as I would like for the specs to be better for this first gen of WP7 phones, they handily beat the Iphones specs and most WM phones. I am buying a gen one knowing that I will be buying a gen two next summer. I am considering my gen one as a 'get aquainted' with the OS phone while I hold out for a stunner in '11.
http://designfabulous.blogspot.com/2010/07/htc-1.html
Well, we can dream. HTC just needs to hire this guy.
I think people that hold out aren't as tech savvy sad they think.
Understand that android is optimized to run on various hardware specs. While windows phone 7 was designed for this specific hardware.
The same spec phone running both operating systems won't be comparible. The overall speed of wp7, the quality of the apps, and the games will be superior to android even after the dual core phones release.
The only thing that could bump the android back up is strong min specs of the new version of the OS and market apps that are only available to phones with those specs. Developers need to also commit to designing apps for a very small market of those top-of-the-line phones.
Those are the reasons why my rooted nexus one, car dock, and desktop dock will be on ebay within a month.
I love android, but I am always excite to test new things. After all, one could always ebay the phone and buy another extremely easily. I don't see any reason not to try wp7 unless you are locked into a contract and unwilling to buy an unsubsidized phone.
Nah I'm gonna get the HD7 as soon as my contract expires in late spring. Currently have the Moto Cliq with Android. If MS makes a Zune HD2, than I might think about getting a 64gb version of that and get the latest and greatest Android phone, Iphone, or Palm Phone.
Definitely not digging android anymore;
*sluggish, having to constantly kill apps and restart the phone
*Multiple OS fragmentation means I missing out on a lot of apps
*No app quality control (sick of buying an app thats sluggish or just plain buggy)
*No Easy Desktop Sync like Itunes or Zune
*NO AUTOMATICALLY UPDATING MUSIC PLAYLIST - A biggy for me.
Also I have a zune pass and hate having to convert my music just because Android doesn't play WMA DRM.
WP7 minimum specs aren't all that, but better than the minimum of Android which is still 528mhz processor for Android 2.1
The little angel sitting on the right shoulder is saying "Wait, wait!"
The little devil sitting on the left shoulder is saying "Get it, what are you afraid of? Offline Outlook Sync?"
Oh it is so hard!
But on a serious note, as soon as I am sure that it will Sync with Offline Outlook or I have a non cloud solution that I can trust, I will get it.
There isn't going to be an ideal phone for me in the first wave, but I'm gonna get one soon. Ideally I want the Dell Venue Pro but with Super AMOLED instead of AMOLED, and a MSM8255 SoC instead of the QSD8250's. But besides that, I think I will be happy with the Dell. "Dude, you're getting a Dell"
Also I really want WP7 to succeed. So in order to get a phone those next 2nd Gen phones with the Dual Cores and 32GB of memory, that means the 1st gen's need to succeed. So I'm gonna buy one to support my long term goals.
the QSD8250 has still more than enough horsepower to be used today. don't just look at what speeds and GPU does a processor holds but also take into the fact how well the OS utilizes the processor.
IMO its best to get the first wave. By the time the second wave hits (say this time next year), none of the apps/games will be fully utilising the power of the new processors anyway (since majority of WP7 handsets would have the QSD cpu and that'd be where the money for devs is). So you'll have all this power yet nothing to make use of it (basically like the Galaxy S). It'll take about 6 months imo til games start utilising the newer processors and run somewhat subpar on first gen devices.
So IMO that gives first-devices from launch about 18months of excellent performance, before it starts feeling 'old in the tooth'. By the time first gen buyers upgrade in approx. 24months, there'd be the third generation CPU's hitting the streets, and that'd be able to run second gen apps with ease, and the whole cycle starts again.
I'm definitely waiting until this gets jail broken. And if Htc comes out with a slide out keyboard for it. Not enough good phone options for me. When phones similar to the tilts come back wp7 has got my full attention then.
At the moment, I just can't justify giving up my HD2.
It'd be amazing if WP7 gets ported to the HD2 and I will, for sure, boot it up. I'm sceptical about some aspects of WP7 and so would like to see what impact (if any) these aspects have on my day-to-day usage.
If all goes well, then I will consider a WP7 device early next year. Hopefully, by then we'll have had a round of updates for stability issues (inevitable) and some missing features added.
So, in short, I think I'll hold out till wave 2 (or at least until the OS has settled a bit).
Casey
diego1985 said:
I'm definitely waiting until this gets jail broken. And if Htc comes out with a slide out keyboard for it. Not enough good phone options for me. When phones similar to the tilts come back wp7 has got my full attention then.
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then you should wait for the htc 7 pro this looks amazing and i don't think it will be long before someone jailbreaks it.
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Gonna get the new WP7 phone out of the gate, for sure. Then I'll be in a great position to sit back and wait for a 'dream device,' which I'm not sure will make it out before the holidays next year. If it does, I'll get it, but if not I'll have gotten my money's worth with the phone I'm going to get shortly.
I have no choice but to wait. I am on Sprint, so I can't even begin to think about getting one until they release theirs. And "sometime in 1st half of 2011" is pretty vague. So for now, I have to sit back and read about everyone's experience.
So hopefully, I will be reading good reviews.
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then you should wait for the htc 7 pro this looks amazing and i don't think it will be long before someone jailbreaks it.
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Microsoft updates WP7 so any exploits will be patched in record time.
You can prolly refuse the OTA, but it can suck if that fix is bundled with a fix/enhancement you need...
Clear ur jailbreak and get copy and paste, or go without? Lol...
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the QSD8250 has still more than enough horsepower to be used today. don't just look at what speeds and GPU does a processor holds but also take into the fact how well the OS utilizes the processor.
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That's a truth with some modifications. Yes, the 8250 is more than powerful enough to run the OS and any games/apps released for it - it is however not powerful enough to playback [most] HD video and this is the reason why I'm disappointed by the current wave of devices.
I have terabyte upon terabyte of [mostly] HD video stored on my server which I am unable to view on the phone without re-encoding them. This is a process I go thru at the moment with my HD2 and I was really looking forward to a little more horsepower in WP7 devices so I could simply import then rather than spend a lot of time re-encoding them first.
Personally, I have to get a 1st wave device for development purposes, but I very much doubt it will replace my current HD2 or Evo as the day to day phone. Not only for reasons of hardware but also due to lack of services offered locally (no localized bing search, no XBL integration, no 'full' marketplace, no Zune pass and the list goes on).