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Upgrading from the Dash - Ideal phone?

I've had my Dash for close to 2 years now and I really like it. I'm using Ricky's ROMset and found that a huge improvement.
Despite this, I feel the need to upgrade to get 3G data speed and be able to use my phone in Japan when I visit. It feels weird to be using old hardware but I've tried a bunch of new phones and always come back to the Dash. In order:
S710/Vox - didn't like the keyboard and the "cursor" was on the wrong side for me
Touch Dual - no WiFi and no full keyboard
Pantech Duo - nice enough, but no wifi and I didn't like the keyboard feel.
Nokia E71 - it surprised me after thinking WinMo was a difficult experience to go to this new Nokia phone and find the s/w to be a complete disaster! Great h/w design though - just about perfect.
Palm Pro - nice enough but I was surprised to find that WinMo Professional was a pain - much harder to use than Standard
HP iPaq 910 - just pathetic - terrible keyboard, lots of bugs, and WinMo Professional
Samsung Omnia - a disaster - terrible UI buggy hardware
I've also tried the iPhone - which is great - but I really want to stick to a device with a keyboard.
So, all of this leads me to ask about what device can possibly be an upgrade from my beloved Dash. What better place to ask but on this Forum of Excalibur lovers?
So, here's my ideal phone:
Must have:
1. Full keyboard like the Dash - no sliders
2. Quad band GSM
3. Tri-band UMTS
4. WiFi
5. Windows Mobile Standard - or at the very least a high focus on usability with one hand without resorting to the ridiculous stylus.
6. Charging and connection to PC via mini-USB, no special cables
7. GPS
8. Good camera 3M or greater
9. Display that works in bright sunlight
Nice to have
10. Scrolling dial on the side like Blackberry
11. Big battery
12. Led for camera
13. Video cam on front
14. Wifi on/off button
Does such a phone exist? I doubt it! To many companies chasing iPhone UI and doing a terrible job of it, and forgetting the basics.
Interested in your thoughts on this. BTW, I don't want to go Blackberry because key apps are not available for them.
Thanks,
D

what about the g1? has a few of your required features.

possibly blackjack III (AT&T though) should be rumored to be coming out soon.
Sadly, you're asking for too robust of a machine. maybe one of the blackberrys has all that but i dont follow them.

Palm Treo Pro? I'm not greatly familiar with its specs but it looks pretty solid, might be worth checking out.

I do not recommend the G1, I prefer the dash over the G1 because its sorta boring now the G1... However, I really like the 3G feature on the G1...

jdoggraz said:
I do not recommend the G1, I prefer the dash over the G1 because its sorta boring now the G1... However, I really like the 3G feature on the G1...
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i've only read/heard reviews. not actually had one in my hand. i think the potential is amazing. i'll most likely be in the market for a phone in september, hopefully there's a new version by then.

Samsung Epix?

Thanks for all the replies.
Samsung Blackjack III is a WinMo Professional phone, which in my opinion is an inferior OS from the usability standpoint.
I tried the Palm Treo Pro and returned it. Nice device but WinMo professional. It had almost everything I wanted though.
G1 is a big keyboard slider and there are likely much better Android phones coming along.
Haven't heard of the Samsung Epix...will check it out (Edit: Ok, looks like this is just the Blackjack III).
I am leaning towards checking out the old HTC Cavalier too. While I ignored it because of bad review before, it turns out there is a WinMo 6.1 cooked ROM available. This will give me a Dash experience, but with tri-band 3G and a faster processor.

darkfinger said:
Thanks for all the replies.
Samsung Blackjack III is a WinMo Professional phone, which in my opinion is an inferior OS from the usability standpoint.
I tried the Palm Treo Pro and returned it. Nice device but WinMo professional. It had almost everything I wanted though.
G1 is a big keyboard slider and there are likely much better Android phones coming along.
Haven't heard of the Samsung Epix...will check it out (Edit: Ok, looks like this is just the Blackjack III).
I am leaning towards checking out the old HTC Cavalier too. While I ignored it because of bad review before, it turns out there is a WinMo 6.1 cooked ROM available. This will give me a Dash experience, but with tri-band 3G and a faster processor.
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The BlackJack 3 looks like a really sick phone, I would love to get that...

i moved on to the iphone.. it's the best phone upgrade i've ever made.

the htc tyten2

I am waiting until Feb-March for the Android phones coming out. The G2 should be coming out around that time. It will be the HTC Touch HD w/Android. Should be sweet. IF you have a little more patience, wait for the nuvifone or nuvifone w/android .

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I am waiting until Feb-March for the Android phones coming out. The G2 should be coming out around that time. It will be the HTC Touch HD w/Android. Should be sweet. IF you have a little more patience, wait for the nuvifone or nuvifone w/android .
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lol the g2 bro? no......
u think there actually going to come out with a g2 less then a year after the g1? there not even done updating the bugs....
I THINK you should get the HTC Fuze A.K.A. touch pro
att phone but unlockable *like mine* for tmobile

Universal!!
Even is not new but can beat more of the newest devices

Doesn't cover every one of your requirements, but the HTC S740 comes close.
http://www.htc.com/www/product/s740/overview.html

The new g2 phone??
Comments and rumors about a g2 already in the works a floating all over the web, the're also saying that they will be getting rid of the slide full querty key board but this was the only thing that I found with pics of an actual device called the dream/g2 phone, if it's true or not , that's up to time to say, cause eventually we'll see if an official announcement is made.
check it out. http://www.wikio.com/article/85876255

roloracer said:
Comments and rumors about a g2 already in the works a floating all over the web, the're also saying that they will be getting rid of the slide full querty key board but this was the only thing that I found with pics of an actual device called the dream/g2 phone, if it's true or not , that's up to time to say, cause eventually we'll see if an official announcement is made.
check it out. http://www.wikio.com/article/85876255
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lol, I don't think that will be the official g2. Looks like a chinese rip-off with android. And its absolutely nothing like the touch hd, like mentioned earlier. Nice find though

Which would you buy? HD touch Pro 2, Nexus One, HD2?

My contract is up for Tmobile so I decided to give up my BB Pearl (Never did like that thing). I went out and upgraded to the Touch Pro 2, but after reading the specs on the HD 2, I'm not sure if I want to keep it or wait for the newer model. (They give you 14 days to decide if you like it).
I like the TP 2 especially with the keyboard but the Nexus One has the animated desktop which is nice. I would like some opinions on which phone you would choose and possibly why. My guess is the HD will probably be about the same price as the others.

I went from a Dash 3G last weekend to a TP2. as soon as I heard about the $199 pricing for the HD2 I decided to return my TP2 and wait for the HD2. I never thought I would make much use of a touch screen, but now I am hooked. The HD2 is faster and larger. No brainer for me.

i've got a sprint tp2 and plan on getting the tmo hd2 and getting rid of my bb.

I would go for Rhodium for sure, as the others do not have hardware keyboard
But if they were the only options on the market definitely I would go for Leo as it has WM!

Remember all the flashy things will become trivial pretty soon, so what you should ask yourself is which properties are the most useful to you.
Myself, I can't live without the hardware keyboard. Sure, I wish the TP2 had the speed of the HD2, but for me the keyboard beats that. If you can do without, there is no reason to get the TP2 at all. As for Nexus vs HD2 - personally I'd take the HD2.

I have had the Touch, Touch Pro, and Touch Pro2 that my wife and I have used. I am waiting for the Touch HD3.

I love the TP2 for its keyboard and the HD2 for its screen
I possess both: the TP2 and HD2.
I like the keyboard of the TP2. I like the screen of the HD2 and its superb Sense user interface.
I transformed my TP2 with an official ROM update to WM6.5 and the tweaks (especially Co0kie hometab) I used for my HD2 to a HD2 Mini with WVGA.
Now I have the best of both on the TP2. By the way the TP2 is very responsive and speedy despite its slower processor.
For an average business user I prefer my TP2, only voice dialing using Cyberon Speed Dialer can not be activated by the call key on my BT carkit due deviating BT stack implementation by HTC

While I like TP2 (due to keyboard, and price), unfortunately it's not completely future-proof (no WM7).
Although there is still hope in Android port..

Just love my TP2 with a hardware keyboard..... sure wish it had the big screen, speed and memory of the HD2 lol

no wimm7 for hd2 as well (at least today sometimes they say yup and other times no) but hmmmm right now I am not sure hd2= 1ghz processor big screen lots of memory but touch pro 2 good size screen and a keyboard

My work is going to provide me with a new phone (new contract) Right now I have the Wing. I'm looking at either the HD2 or the TP2.
I need some input please. Some things to consider when you read this thread.
1) I don't find myself using the hard keyboard on my Wing
2) I do use the hands free speaker phone often.
3) I need WMO for a certain app that requires 16megs free ram (cooked ROM on my Wing helped here.)
4) Will the HD2 require a change in my data plan with T-Mobile?
Just some "if I was you" advise.
Thanks

Get the HD2. The only advantage the TP2 has is the keyboard and if you don't use it then there is no competition. The processor used in the TP2 is the biggest pile of crap ever.

Basically, it goes like this: If you want Windows Mobile 6.x, the best hardware keyboard of any mobile device on the market, and don't care about device speed, stay with the Rhodium. If you don't want/need a keyboard, want Windows Mobile 6.x, and you don't care about not getting a Windows Mobile 7 upgrade, get the HD2. If you don't need a keyboard and want the best Android device on the market, get the Nexus.
The Rhodium is a great device in terms of external looks, but as petard has already said, the Qualcomm MSM7xxx processor inside is quite possibly the sh*ttiest mobile processor on the market. If I were to buy a new device right now, I would certainly buy the HD2 or Nexus, NOT the Rhodium.

I've got 2 of the 3, and I'm using a Rhodium with 6.5.x and Titanium as my everyday phone. The Nexus One is on my night stand.
With the Rhodium, if you keep messaging, contacts, and calendar resident in memory and use arcsoft client, the phone is lightning quick and I have zero delays or lockups. Coupled with the keyboard, its the best all around solution.
The N1 has great google software, and as my sig says, the Navigation stuff is better than a Nuvi, IMO, and I'll probably start transitioning over to android until WinMo7, especially if swype becomes officially available (it may already be). There are also a couple apps I've found that could actually make it past the initial novelty stage of "wow thats cool" and be everyday apps.. which if you check the average lifespan of these iphone & android apps theyre so proud of, after about a week and half of saying to your buddies "hey check this out", people quit using them all together yet are still out their $1, but i digress..

Thanks for the input so far. Good stuff.
I know this isn't the the HD2 forum but it's still on topic.
What about the voice/speaker quality on the HD2? I haven't read good things on that. Is it really a problem?

crachel said:
I've got 2 of the 3, and I'm using a Rhodium with 6.5.x and Titanium as my everyday phone. The Nexus One is on my night stand.
With the Rhodium, if you keep messaging, contacts, and calendar resident in memory and use arcsoft client, the phone is lightning quick and I have zero delays or lockups. Coupled with the keyboard, its the best all around solution.
The N1 has great google software, and as my sig says, the Navigation stuff is better than a Nuvi, IMO, and I'll probably start transitioning over to android until WinMo7, especially if swype becomes officially available (it may already be). There are also a couple apps I've found that could actually make it past the initial novelty stage of "wow thats cool" and be everyday apps.. which if you check the average lifespan of these iphone & android apps theyre so proud of, after about a week and half of saying to your buddies "hey check this out", people quit using them all together yet are still out their $1, but i digress..
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I'm sorry but nothing about the Rhodium is lightning quick, nothing. I use the builtin WM messaging client and Arcsoft MMS and once I get over a couple messages per thread it takes about 5 seconds from clicking the thread to where I can type. This is due to both the crappy WM messaging client based on the IE rendering engine and the garbage processor.
I use vito SMS-chat for text messaging and once it is loaded up it has some decent speed but it takes about 5 seconds to load the program which is why I leave it running in the background as much as I can. The program is really ugly though.

petard said:
I'm sorry but nothing about the Rhodium is lightning quick, nothing. I use the builtin WM messaging client and Arcsoft MMS and once I get over a couple messages per thread it takes about 5 seconds from clicking the thread to where I can type. This is due to both the crappy WM messaging client based on the IE rendering engine and the garbage processor.
I use vito SMS-chat for text messaging and once it is loaded up it has some decent speed but it takes about 5 seconds to load the program which is why I leave it running in the background as much as I can. The program is really ugly though.
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I'll give vito a shot..
check out "S.V.I keyskin" in the TP2 themes/apps section, its also helped my phone feel snappier by decreasing the load time for the SIP

Verizon Touch Pro 2... thoughts?

So, I'm looking at getting a new smartphone through my work. Unfortunately I'm locked with Verizon, which is usually a slow adopter of new phones AND my work is a slow adopter of new Verizon phones, so I'm sorta double-whammied. My current phone is dying, so I need to upgrade now and seeing as it would likely be a year at the earliest before any Windows7 phones would be available for me I'm looking at upgrading now.
The TP2 is one device that I can get. I'm very familiar with Windows Mobile 6.1, so this has an appeal. But I have some questions.
Does anyone know if the GPS is "unlocked" out of the box? I'd like to use some GPS programs other than VZNavigator and I'm wondering if I need to install a custom ROM first.
Will a new TP2 device now be installed with 6.5 or will I need to upgrade? Can someone give me a quickie run down of 6.5 vs. 6.1?
How's the Battery life of the TP2? I'm a heavy power user so I want to make sure I can get through a day without charging.
Lastly, I _might_ be able to get a Droid. I've never used Android before, but I have to say that I'm tempted. Anyone have an opinion? Is the Droid a lot better? Is it worth trying to push for the Droid?

aGPS works out of the box, you need to make sure to use the Quick GPS tool to update the satellite though. There are some free navigation programs but I've heard they sometimes do not choose the most logical route. Garmin, Tom Tom, and other paid GPS programs should work as well.
The new VZW phone comes with 6.5 as far as I have seen lately. One ordered off their website in early April came with 6.5. Here is a post with everything you'll need to know about all windows 6 versions, 6.1 vs 6.5 will be down towards the bottom more: http://www.modaco.com/content/i9x0-...m/299717/com-branches-explained/#entry1153714
The phone can make it through a full day of usage in most scenarios. I would say unless you talk 3+ hours and run GPS, 3g/wifi, and multiple programs ALL day you should be fine. If not there are extended batteries you can purchase (although the phone is already big enough as it is).
In my opinion Android is a great OS, motorola is not my favorite phone manufacture, but beyond that it is still a nice device. It is slightly more responsive than the TP2. The keyboard is much more cramped and the top row is difficult to get use to. It doesn't quite replicate the desktop feel I get when I use WM. I can't give a real in depth break down because I've only messed with them a couple times.
Hope that helps your decision a little.

I have a coworker a few desks away from mine who has a Droid, and we often pass the time with a few heated rounds of "yeah, but can yours do this??" LOL Neither of us has done much to convince the other that our phone is better (his Droid vs my TP2)....but, the one thing he openly admits he wishes he had was the MUCH better hardware keyboard that I enjoy all day long
In fact, I suspect that once a fully-working version of android appears on the TP2, he'll be finding a way to sell his droid, and join the ranks of the HTC fans

Thank you both. I appreciate the info!

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Will a new TP2 device now be installed with 6.5 or will I need to upgrade? Can someone give me a quickie run down of 6.5 vs. 6.1?
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I'm pretty satisfied with 6.1, though I use SPB Mobile Shell for my UI. Though I can't give you a run down, having not used 6.5, the only feature I've come across yet that I actually want is a reg entry for the keyboard backlight. Also, last I checked Office Mobile 2010 is 6.5 only. Once OneNote Mobile 2010 is out, I'll probably bite the bullet and upgrade.
Personally I'd avoid the Droid. If I didn't need a better hardware keyboard than that, I'd probably get a Nexus One and use the on screen keyboard. Cramping the keys that close together with minimal key differentiation... I honestly don't know what the point of that was. Another nice thing about the Nexus One is you get OS updates straight from Google. No waiting on VZW and no fragmentation concerns.
Choosing the TP2 instead means being outdated in terms of power but having marvelous levels of interface comfort. I'm already plotting trying to find a similarly sized android snapdragon that I can somehow transplant into my TP2's casing. It's probably impossible, but it is super comfortable. I'll just have to dual boot and pretend I don't mind the ancient guts.
I've never heard the battery life described as anything other than average. Although the CPU is slow, the newer faster processors also come with new power-saving tech it doesn't have, so a nice snapdragon will go longer on the same battery capacity (though most snappys come with a smaller capacity battery stock). I'm actually using my VZW TP2 as a PDA right now, typically with all radios off, so my usage couldn't inform you. If you're a heavy power user, average might not do it. You can get a 1700ish mah battery that fits in the existing casing, or up to a 3500mah battery that requires a new battery cover if that suits you. Alternatively you can get a charger that charges both your phone and a spare battery simultaneously and swap as necessary.

Since this is posted in the TP2 sections, you'll get biased results, same as if you were to post this on the Droid forums. I have a Droid and my girlfriend has a Tilt 2. My Droid is rooted with AdamZ 2.1 Android and overclocked; the thing is lightning fast. My girlfriends Tilt 2 has been custom cooked with EnergyROM Sense 2.5 and have also installed Android to test it out.
Performance wise, the Droid is faster, much faster if overclocked; it was a huge performance upgrade for me since my previous phone was a Samsung Omnia i910 with a cooked WM 6.5 rom. There is virtually no noticeable lag between scrolling screens and opening apps. Her Tilt 2 was fairly slow out of the box loaded with AT&T bloatware, she even complained to me about the phone being laggy. However, it is noticeably faster since installing the cooked rom.
I know Android is still in it's beta phases for the TP2, but it's still fairly buggy, many of the apps don't function correctly and eventually gave up on using it.
If apps are a big thing for you, I'd stick with Android, as there are many more fun apps, many of them free. With the Windows Marketplace, many apps are merely trial or lite versions, an example being Shazam, which is free on Android, but limited to 10 uses on Windows. I'm not sure if it's just Microsoft's doing or what. Also, the Droid has Google Navigation, which is arguably the best GPS for a phone, and is completely free. I've even thought about selling my Garmin 265WT since I barely use it anymore.
As for the keyboard, the Tilt 2 is clearly better, but I've never had any problems typing on the Droid, which many people complain about. I type with the tips of my thumbs, so that may make a difference. Battery life is pretty much the same, which can last about a day or two depending on usage.
All in all, I'm happy with my decision and when I asked my girlfriend which phone she preferred, she picked mine, but the for her it was between an iPhone and a Tilt 2.

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Since this is posted in the TP2 sections, you'll get biased results, same as if you were to post this on the Droid forums.
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I actually disagree, especially considering the responses thus far. There's plenty of Android love in this thread, but I'd wager there'd be little WinMo love in a droid thread. I think TP2 users are dramatically more aware and more willing to admit to their device's weaknesses than users of more popular phones.

Please help me decide HD2 or Touch Pro2

I would appreciate if anybody could give comparison between HD2 and Touch Pro2 because I am torn between the two models. I am now using Dopod 838pro (Tytn)
and want to upgrade coz my phone is "dying". Basically I like the HD2 for the speed and the screen but it don't have video call or macro mode. I like most of the spec in touch pro but it lack speed compare to HD2. So i guess someone who have used both of these models would know the pros and cons. Especially the speed of these two processor in real life. Any input would greatly appreciate

You should go for the HD2. The speeds of the TP2 is getting really anoying. And the fact that android is running very smooth on the HD2.
And there is the possiblity of a WP7 rom for the HD2 in the future.

The biggest decision you have to make is how much do you value a physical keyboard? If it's a big deal for you, then go for the Touch Pro2. If you don't care about a keyboard, then the HD2 is a far superior choice in terms of hardware as well as software development. HTC's website lists the specs of both machines. Keep in mind that the T-Mobile version of the HD2 has 1GB of internal storage as opposed to half of that on any other version of it.

my own opinion, go for TP2, it's qwerty hardware keyboard are valuable things to have, just like Your Hermes, it make different easy way related for daily working usage

Thanks for all the replies. My problem with HD2 is there is no secondary camera for video call. Then if I choose TP2, how bad is the speed, is it acceptable if compare to Hermes (Hermes is quite slow to me)?. Or is it just about the same?.
Well.... I think I have to choose TP2 for the secondary camera. If HD2 come with secondary camera that would be a dream. I have also look at other WinMo device such as Omnia Pro with the slide keyboard, secondary camera and 800MHz but not so good UI, and I like HTC more.

dx3me said:
Thanks for all the replies. My problem with HD2 is there is no secondary camera for video call. Then if I choose TP2, how bad is the speed, is it acceptable if compare to Hermes (Hermes is quite slow to me)?. Or is it just about the same?.
Well.... I think I have to choose TP2 for the secondary camera. If HD2 come with secondary camera that would be a dream. I have also look at other WinMo device such as Omnia Pro with the slide keyboard, secondary camera and 800MHz but not so good UI, and I like HTC more.
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If you are in the US, the second camera makes no difference as it will not work for video calling here. Video calls on the TP2 only work in Europe.

Ok dx3me, here's my personal opinion. I had previously purchased the Touch Pro2 because of its keyboard form factor as well as the front camera. I came from the Xda Exec/Htc Universal phone and this greatly influence my choise for the Tp2.
-->First complain edited since the TP2 can play smooth videos provided you know how to convert it with this tool--->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467112
Second complain is that the internet experience is not that great and after using a hd2, I really prefer its bigger screen as it delivers a new approach on how you can easily browse, email, chats and so on. Very stylish in the hands and its look is simply amazing - it will surely not go unnoticed by people around you due to its huge screen + "slim" size.
Third and last one is that some softwares are so damn slow to run on it and the lack of extra RAM suffers greatly.
So I am definitely planning to switch to a HTC HD2 in the coming weeks as compared to the TP2, the HD2 has specifications of a new generation phone where as the tp2 is very very far behind. Now that many phones are coming out equipped with a 1ghz proccessor, I bet that most people will follow the trend and get similar powerful phones unless keyboard is an absolute must or money is a key factor...My opinions only...

Okay, you want an opinion? I'm a person with both a Touch Pro 2 and a HD2.
Well first, I loved my TP2. I thought it was the best phone I've ever had. Loved the physical keyboard, it seemed to be running fast, and it can run Android on it, although not quite so well. The resistive touchscreen was very accurate, even though it could sometimes be one big pain in the arse. That's when the stylus came in.Pop it out, use it, pop it back in, simple. But then after a while, the darn thing felt so slow. Pages took a long time to load, no Flash support in browsers, my battery drained fast. One day I went to the T-Mobile store in my area. What do I see sitting in front of me? A live working HD2, hooked up to their security system. So I try it. So fast, I have to have it. So I h'whipped p) out $500 bucks from my pocket a few months later, and I had my HD2. It can run Android 2.2. It can run Flash videos perfectly. Hell, even Windows Mobile was fast. Then I thought, oh shucks, the keyboard. I flipped the phone into Landscape mode and that friggin keyboard is amazing. Now I have big hands - my fingertips are about as big as the keys on my keyboard. This keyboard won't make you miss your Touch Pro 2. Since then, my Touch Pro 2 has sat in a corner, neglected. I feel sorry for it from time to time and use it p), but then I go straight back to the HD2.
One disadvantage of the HD2 is the BATTERY LIFE. Heavy use - 4 hours (constantly on)

HD2...I really like the hard keyboard on my TP2, but it just doesn't have enough Ram, My older Samsung Epix ran better, the TP2 just sucks away ram, I end up soft resetting a couple times a day, just from text messaging or checking my calendar or weather, it's a pretty big disappointment in that area. Just think, the HD2 will have a processor about twice the speed of the TP2 and twice the ram, plus half a Gig to 1 Gig of internal storage, for pesky programs that won't go on the storage card. If you want specs just check out: http://www.htc.com/us/products/compare/104-65-61?view=1-3&sort=0

I think I know which one to get!!
Thank you everyone for the inputs.
Well, I'm changing my mind. I have tested a demo HD2 in the shop and like it. I think I have to get the HD2. I also can't consider any of the WP7 devices at the moment because I think I would not buy the WP7 devices until it become better devices. That could be a year or two. Well if I could not live without the video call (on HD2), I have to fix my Hermes a bit as a backup. So I can use the video call on my good old Hermes. Hopefully this could work. (The only bad thing is I have to carry my Hermes along if I intend to do a video call)

Hi Mate,
I Have both the Touch Pro 2 and HD2 and I would only recommend the HD2!! My personal opion is that I would not waste your money on the touch pro 2.
Col

Hmmm, I've been using the HD2 for 1week now and my previous excitement has a bit vanished for this phone. I used the phone a lot for business purposes (especially using emails and chat a lot) and the lack of a keyboard suffers GREATLY. Though the HD2 screen is large for typing, I ended up in making mistakes couple of times when typing fast and I was really frustrated having to constantly correct my mistakes. This is time consuming especially when I have a lot of emails to respond on the way, and often gets my nerves to the limit.
The touch screen though is very responsive but I feel that the TP2 resistive screen has a bit more precision. Speed wise, the HD2 blows the TP2 and it is definitely great to watch your pictures/movies on the large screen. Apart from the mutimedia use, I am going to stick back to my TP2 and return the HD2. Nothing feels better than a physical qwerty keyboard and...a resistive screen for selecting a specific word easily when typing (...my opinions only).

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Though the HD2 screen is large for typing, I ended up in making mistakes couple of times when typing fast and I was really frustrated having to constantly correct my mistakes. This is time consuming especially when I have a lot of emails to respond on the way, and often gets my nerves to the limit.
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I have big hands and I only make one error out of every hundred words.

Hi there,
I'm hoping to help you with my story: Using my father's old WM device (MDA Compact III) for about one year, in the beginning of this year I decided to go for something new. My most important requirement for the new device was a QWERTZ-keyboard (here in Germany). So, there wasn't much of a choice I had and after scanning through some device's reviews looking also at those without a QWERTZ to get to know the current standards (among them the HD2, "old" TouchPro, G1, BlackBerry 9700, Xperia X1 and some of the Samsung and LG devices) I bought the TouchPro2 as it seemed to me the best choice concerning specifications and my demands. And I was really happy about it! It was way faster than my former MDA, had much better graphics, loads of software to use and so on...
When time passed by, I started to pick up on some custom roms, as I wasn't satisfied with the speed (everyone know about the upgrading his personal requirements). Found the roms of NRGZ28 very good, stable and fast.
However, I was constantly getting more and more fed up with WM6(.5) and the phone as there are some constant (to me unknown) freezes and hangs. And as WM7 will not be seen on this device I decided to go for another change: I ordered the Desire Z, which is (finally) on its way, maybe arriving today.
My advice for you: take a look at Android or WM7. And try around with those keyboards and decide, if you *really* need a physical one. There is a whole bunch of good devices, that will be released with WM7 and Android.
Cheers!

OP got the HD2. There is no longer any reason to try to convince him of anything.

cajunflavoredbob said:
OP got the HD2. There is no longer any reason to try to convince him of anything.
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ah, too late... well then, have fun with the hd2

abprie said:
ah, too late... well then, have fun with the hd2
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Hmmm I would be curious to hear your opinions on both phones - may you share?

I'd vote for the HD2 because of it's specifications. Like it was said earlier the HD2 blows the TP2 out of the water. But also pointed out is the problem with WinMo 6.5. This stock ROM is a dinosaur in age and just doesn't hold a candle up to Android or WM7. I also was fed up with it on my HD2 so I made a complete change and switched my device over the Android via custom ROMs found on these forums. I've never been happier!
So the debate really is between Android and WM7. Considering the future I think getting android would be a better deal. It's going to explode in popularity due to Microsoft's and Apple's security lockdowns on their devices (they aren't very customizable, WM7 and the iPhone etc), and because of Android being open source.
So before I get going on a tangent , I'd recommend getting the HD2 if you like customizing your phone A LOT. It can be kind of a scary procedure. But if you're not up to that kind of stuff I'd recommend looking at HTC's Android phones. They're very stable and fun to use. The TP2 will become a very average phone in the next while with all the new and cool stuff coming out.

WP 7 Tango for TP 2

Look at This : The lower RAM footprint may be viewed as an attempt by Microsoft to make their mobile OS more compatible with cost-conservative phones.
In light of the current partnership between Windows and Nokia, it makes sense that Microsoft would want to improve Windows Phone OS amongst mid-tier mobile devices such as those offered by Nokia.
While official specs list 256MB as minimum system requirement, most current Windows Phones utilize 512MB.
Another added feature in Tango is the ability to sort applications in folders on the start screen, which should make finding apps easier and the start screen less cluttered.
As we reported last month, Tango should go live in Q2 of this year.
We wonder if Windows phones with 256MB of RAM would have to bear with some sort of compromises in the visuals or multi-tasking department to ensure the same level of performance.
http://www.gsmarena.com/windows_phone_tango_to_reduce_ram_requirements-news-3702.php
Someone know something about this ???

with regard to the above... i think that there will be another lease of life to the TP2 after all. according to this article http://tech2.in.com/news/notebooks/wp-tango-to-need-only-256-mb-of-ram/275552 256mb is all thats needed to run window phone Tango.

But what about processor?
Every source in the web says that minumum required is ARMv7

I would love to see WM7 on my TP2 !!!
Finger crossed !

This old out dated phoned can barely run WM 6.5 smoothly, what makes you people think it will run WP7 any better?
If you guys really want to try out WP7 why not get a cheap used one on eBay?

If I get a cheap WP7 device from eBay, is not the same pleasure like update an old device that I already have .... Sorry for my bad English

WinMo was flawed and Microsoft knew that... Same way we got Android on TP2 maybe we can (read; developers) make tango run on tp2

Not gonna happen.
Just like maxidus mentioned, the processor architecture is the main problem.

Jackos said:
Not gonna happen.
Just like maxidus mentioned, the processor architecture is the main problem.
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of as all, Jackos best understands the Rhodium architecture if he feels that its not going to happen. probably its just best if we all get over the idea that we will have live tiles on our rhodium's. besides, Jackos the last true developer for TP2 has moved on to android and has even sold his TP2. if u want live tiles buy a dedicated Windows Phone 7 phone.
Getting me a HTC Radar (stock unlocked) from India in a weeks time. Retiring my TP2... Its being real

What about the HTC 7 Pro aka HTC Arrive Sprint has in the US? I remeber there was talk HTC was to release a Touch Pro 3 and that went on to become the HTC Tera; a low-end version of the Touch Pro 2 but with a 3 inch screen; the HTC 7 Pro is a 3.8 inch screen and slightly smaller form factor which was easier for keyboard users. If you can find a unlocked version of the phone running GSM, I would think that would be more practicle than making our beloved Touch Pro 2 run Windows Phone 7.5. I use a Titan over on AT&T; it has its positives and its negatives; negative being short of running Chevron on it; there's no getting under the hood of this thing. I own 3 of the Touch Pro 2s...two GSM and one CDMA...love them all...I run Co-Pilot on all of them and keep pre-paid minutes on them for emergency backups.