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Upgrading from the Dash - Ideal phone?

I've had my Dash for close to 2 years now and I really like it. I'm using Ricky's ROMset and found that a huge improvement.
Despite this, I feel the need to upgrade to get 3G data speed and be able to use my phone in Japan when I visit. It feels weird to be using old hardware but I've tried a bunch of new phones and always come back to the Dash. In order:
S710/Vox - didn't like the keyboard and the "cursor" was on the wrong side for me
Touch Dual - no WiFi and no full keyboard
Pantech Duo - nice enough, but no wifi and I didn't like the keyboard feel.
Nokia E71 - it surprised me after thinking WinMo was a difficult experience to go to this new Nokia phone and find the s/w to be a complete disaster! Great h/w design though - just about perfect.
Palm Pro - nice enough but I was surprised to find that WinMo Professional was a pain - much harder to use than Standard
HP iPaq 910 - just pathetic - terrible keyboard, lots of bugs, and WinMo Professional
Samsung Omnia - a disaster - terrible UI buggy hardware
I've also tried the iPhone - which is great - but I really want to stick to a device with a keyboard.
So, all of this leads me to ask about what device can possibly be an upgrade from my beloved Dash. What better place to ask but on this Forum of Excalibur lovers?
So, here's my ideal phone:
Must have:
1. Full keyboard like the Dash - no sliders
2. Quad band GSM
3. Tri-band UMTS
4. WiFi
5. Windows Mobile Standard - or at the very least a high focus on usability with one hand without resorting to the ridiculous stylus.
6. Charging and connection to PC via mini-USB, no special cables
7. GPS
8. Good camera 3M or greater
9. Display that works in bright sunlight
Nice to have
10. Scrolling dial on the side like Blackberry
11. Big battery
12. Led for camera
13. Video cam on front
14. Wifi on/off button
Does such a phone exist? I doubt it! To many companies chasing iPhone UI and doing a terrible job of it, and forgetting the basics.
Interested in your thoughts on this. BTW, I don't want to go Blackberry because key apps are not available for them.
Thanks,
D

what about the g1? has a few of your required features.

possibly blackjack III (AT&T though) should be rumored to be coming out soon.
Sadly, you're asking for too robust of a machine. maybe one of the blackberrys has all that but i dont follow them.

Palm Treo Pro? I'm not greatly familiar with its specs but it looks pretty solid, might be worth checking out.

I do not recommend the G1, I prefer the dash over the G1 because its sorta boring now the G1... However, I really like the 3G feature on the G1...

jdoggraz said:
I do not recommend the G1, I prefer the dash over the G1 because its sorta boring now the G1... However, I really like the 3G feature on the G1...
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i've only read/heard reviews. not actually had one in my hand. i think the potential is amazing. i'll most likely be in the market for a phone in september, hopefully there's a new version by then.

Samsung Epix?

Thanks for all the replies.
Samsung Blackjack III is a WinMo Professional phone, which in my opinion is an inferior OS from the usability standpoint.
I tried the Palm Treo Pro and returned it. Nice device but WinMo professional. It had almost everything I wanted though.
G1 is a big keyboard slider and there are likely much better Android phones coming along.
Haven't heard of the Samsung Epix...will check it out (Edit: Ok, looks like this is just the Blackjack III).
I am leaning towards checking out the old HTC Cavalier too. While I ignored it because of bad review before, it turns out there is a WinMo 6.1 cooked ROM available. This will give me a Dash experience, but with tri-band 3G and a faster processor.

darkfinger said:
Thanks for all the replies.
Samsung Blackjack III is a WinMo Professional phone, which in my opinion is an inferior OS from the usability standpoint.
I tried the Palm Treo Pro and returned it. Nice device but WinMo professional. It had almost everything I wanted though.
G1 is a big keyboard slider and there are likely much better Android phones coming along.
Haven't heard of the Samsung Epix...will check it out (Edit: Ok, looks like this is just the Blackjack III).
I am leaning towards checking out the old HTC Cavalier too. While I ignored it because of bad review before, it turns out there is a WinMo 6.1 cooked ROM available. This will give me a Dash experience, but with tri-band 3G and a faster processor.
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The BlackJack 3 looks like a really sick phone, I would love to get that...

i moved on to the iphone.. it's the best phone upgrade i've ever made.

the htc tyten2

I am waiting until Feb-March for the Android phones coming out. The G2 should be coming out around that time. It will be the HTC Touch HD w/Android. Should be sweet. IF you have a little more patience, wait for the nuvifone or nuvifone w/android .

kr33mo said:
I am waiting until Feb-March for the Android phones coming out. The G2 should be coming out around that time. It will be the HTC Touch HD w/Android. Should be sweet. IF you have a little more patience, wait for the nuvifone or nuvifone w/android .
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lol the g2 bro? no......
u think there actually going to come out with a g2 less then a year after the g1? there not even done updating the bugs....
I THINK you should get the HTC Fuze A.K.A. touch pro
att phone but unlockable *like mine* for tmobile

Universal!!
Even is not new but can beat more of the newest devices

Doesn't cover every one of your requirements, but the HTC S740 comes close.
http://www.htc.com/www/product/s740/overview.html

The new g2 phone??
Comments and rumors about a g2 already in the works a floating all over the web, the're also saying that they will be getting rid of the slide full querty key board but this was the only thing that I found with pics of an actual device called the dream/g2 phone, if it's true or not , that's up to time to say, cause eventually we'll see if an official announcement is made.
check it out. http://www.wikio.com/article/85876255

roloracer said:
Comments and rumors about a g2 already in the works a floating all over the web, the're also saying that they will be getting rid of the slide full querty key board but this was the only thing that I found with pics of an actual device called the dream/g2 phone, if it's true or not , that's up to time to say, cause eventually we'll see if an official announcement is made.
check it out. http://www.wikio.com/article/85876255
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lol, I don't think that will be the official g2. Looks like a chinese rip-off with android. And its absolutely nothing like the touch hd, like mentioned earlier. Nice find though

Is this phone worth it?

So i'm thinking about getting a new phone, and i've been following the touch pro 2 for awhile since it was announced, and it's always caught my interest. Right now i'd be paying 350 since i'm under tmobile, i'm just wondering from peoples opinions is it worth it?
can someone layout the pros and the cons on the phone for me? thanks.

Welcome to forums
Of course it´s worth every cent!
Redundant if we post here pros and cons
Better read and search!!
Good luck,

I paid $688.88 for my unlocked/unbranded version a couple months back and I have no regrets.

Paid $525 and I can't put it down! Worth every cent and thank god I made the switch and left the Blackberry world. I will not lie, I did hesitate to leave my Blackberry 8900 even after tracking the TP2 for like a month. Blackberry has nothing on HTC TP2.

I guess imma just shut up and get it haha. sorry for not using the search function. just got really curious

Pros:
the lovely, lovely physical keyboard - I just can't tell you how useful this is;
large, bright, high-res screen (3.6", 800x480);
excellent support from this website;
very good call quality (so long as you don't get the T-mobile version);
some very neat business-oriented features (e.g. if you put the phone down face-down in mid conversation it automatically switches to speaker-phone);
noise-cancelling so other people can hear you clearly over traffic;
TouchFLO interface is quite nice;
running Windows Mobile means a huge range of downloadable apps;
built-in Word, Excel and Powerpoint support.
Cons:
not everyone likes Windows Mobile, and you find yourself dumped into it more often than you'd expect - this also limits you to 16-bit colour;
HTC and Qualcomm between them have somehow managed to arrange things so that 3rd party apps cannot make use of the GPU, which makes video playback decidedly iffy;
larger and much heavier than most phones (that's the price of the keyboard);
uses much the same hardware as phones released a year ago (much less powerful than an iPhone 3GS or even the latest Samsung models);
thoroughly mediocre camera with no flash;
no one version of the phone will work everywhere in the world (as far as I know);
most versions lack a 3.5mm headphone jack, so if you want to use anything other than the bundled headphones you need an adapter, and unless you have a very fancy adapter you can't listen to music on it and charge it at the same time;
unimpressive battery life;
resistive touch-screen is better than most, but less responsive than a capacitive screen and cannot ever support multi-touch (although a capacitive screen wouldn't allow you to use a stylus, so there are swings and roundabouts);
lack of on-board storage.

paid $900 for mine on ebay before official launch - been with it on safaris in Africa , paddled and plotted my course on lower Zambezi with hippos.... It's worth every cent.

AlCapone said:
paid $900 for mine on ebay before official launch - been with it on safaris in Africa , paddled and plotted my course on lower Zambezi with hippos.... It's worth every cent.
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wouldn't go that far but it is a great phone.
Saying that, like with every device I'd think seriously about what you want your phone to do.
I wanted a web browsing, business phone communicator. Its close to perfect.
If you're looking for a slim camera music player etc.? Stay well away.

Shasarak said:
resistive touch-screen is better than most, but less responsive than a capacitive screen and cannot ever support multi-touch (although a capacitive screen wouldn't allow you to use a stylus, so there are swings and roundabouts)
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Never say never
Especially the second one is a software only solution, since the Nokia 5800 also has a resistive touch screen.
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/9051_Multi-touch_on_resistive_touch.php
http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2009/03/03/nokia-5800-gets-experimental-multitouch/

ryohazuki said:
So i'm thinking about getting a new phone, and i've been following the touch pro 2 for awhile since it was announced, and it's always caught my interest. Right now i'd be paying 350 since i'm under tmobile, i'm just wondering from peoples opinions is it worth it?
can someone layout the pros and the cons on the phone for me? thanks.
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I moved to this phone from a G1 (and an iPhone before that) on tmobile, and IMHO this is the best phone available with tmobile 3G right now. Fast, stable, and with WM you have tons of options for customizing/personalizing your handset. So far (had it about a week) i really see no cons with this device, if anything it'd be its size, but its not a complaint by me, its the same size as a G1.

Shasarak said:
Pros:
the lovely, lovely physical keyboard - I just can't tell you how useful this is;
large, bright, high-res screen (3.6", 800x480);
excellent support from this website;
very good call quality (so long as you don't get the T-mobile version);
some very neat business-oriented features (e.g. if you put the phone down face-down in mid conversation it automatically switches to speaker-phone);
noise-cancelling so other people can hear you clearly over traffic;
TouchFLO interface is quite nice;
running Windows Mobile means a huge range of downloadable apps;
built-in Word, Excel and Powerpoint support.
Cons:
not everyone likes Windows Mobile, and you find yourself dumped into it more often than you'd expect - this also limits you to 16-bit colour;
HTC and Qualcomm between them have somehow managed to arrange things so that 3rd party apps cannot make use of the GPU, which makes video playback decidedly iffy;
larger and much heavier than most phones (that's the price of the keyboard);
uses much the same hardware as phones released a year ago (much less powerful than an iPhone 3GS or even the latest Samsung models);
thoroughly mediocre camera with no flash;
no one version of the phone will work everywhere in the world (as far as I know);
most versions lack a 3.5mm headphone jack, so if you want to use anything other than the bundled headphones you need an adapter, and unless you have a very fancy adapter you can't listen to music on it and charge it at the same time;
unimpressive battery life;
resistive touch-screen is better than most, but less responsive than a capacitive screen and cannot ever support multi-touch (although a capacitive screen wouldn't allow you to use a stylus, so there are swings and roundabouts);
lack of on-board storage.
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dunno if this is considered reviving a dead thread or anything thats my own but
the size isn't a problem for me, i've owned a windows mobile phone before and liked it but whats wrong with the tmobile version? and is the battery life really that bad?

I'm pleased with mine. Basically I had an MDA for almost 3 and a half years, with a short try of a Wing. Great winmobile phone, haven't had too much battery problems, phone quality seems ok, better than the MDA.
And the phone senses when it's close to your ear--no more false button pushes!
Cheers,
Tom

ryohazuki said:
but whats wrong with the tmobile version? and is the battery life really that bad?
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The t-mobile version is rather oddly configured. Most of what's wrong with it can be corrected (all in one hit if you don't mind flashing it with a different ROM) but it's a little fiddly. For example, the in-call volume seems to be lower on the t-mobile version - people complain that the sound is too quiet and "muffled". I believe this can be fixed by replacing a file with the equivalent from an unbranded phone, but it's still a fiddle if you expect things to work properly out of the box. I think the t-mobile version may also be set up to use Internet Explorer rather than Opera as the default browser. Again, it's not difficult to change this, it's just annoying.
The battery life is okay, but not great. If you're watching video clips or gaming you can completely drain a fully-charged battery in 3-4 hours.
Btw, one important draw-back that I forgot to mention is the lack of a D-pad - that's a real problem if you're a gamer.

General concensus for veteran WM users i found here is that almost all quite satisfied with TP2 out of the box, since these persons are coming from previous devices and know-well that TP2 is the 1st time HTC (almost) do it perfectly. In condition they didn't receive defect unit.
For new WM users, i see 50-50. But that's improvement, because with previous devices it can be as much as 20-80 (80% unsatisfied), with 20% are looking for ways to improve their devices. That's why now we have this great forum

i have the original EU version of this device and i must say that this is the best phone i used ever , and believe me i switch mobiles like socks ...
the most important thing for me is the stability of the OS , in my case i havnt done any soft reset since i got this device three weeks ago ( depens on your ROM version ect...)
another good thing is the speaker phone , try to compare it to the iphone 3gs and you will notice a big diffrence,

schizo said:
General concensus for veteran WM users i found here is that almost all quite satisfied with TP2 out of the box, since these persons are coming from previous devices and know-well that TP2 is the 1st time HTC (almost) do it perfectly. In condition they didn't receive defect unit.
For new WM users, i see 50-50. But that's improvement, because with previous devices it can be as much as 20-80 (80% unsatisfied), with 20% are looking for ways to improve their devices. That's why now we have this great forum
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I would consider myself a wm vet, this is my 4rth wm phone and the TP2 if I purchase it will be my 5th. I can hardly run my TP at times because it is so slow. I have everything on my class 6 sd and some apps on my phone which is minimal. I am running nrg rom latest and I must say it is slow as balls.
I might even skip the tp2 because it shares the same chipset for att as the tp. Making it slow as balls but with a much larger screen. My favorite warez website just opened an Iphone section. all apps available, Gui much better, mms hacked, better graphics, shes lookin alot better these days. The tp2 just aint cuttin it as far as performance. I might just make the switch until HTC and winmo get there act together. Truely sad as I've been an iphone and apple hater for quite sometime. The truth is the tp2 lacks everything except the screen and keyboard. Winmo and htc are pushing me out with these piece of **** phones.
eh I might still get the tp2. I am seriously looking for reasons not to get the Icrap. Flame on aholes..

Well I've had the T-mobile version for about a month now and I have to say its pure Winsuace!!! Now as for the same chip set as the touch pro , that's not exactly ture. If you look around on the fourms, some one posted a link about where there was a dispute between Qulacom and another chipmaker about the cpu. So because of that the Touch Pros cpu contained some work arounds so it could be used and that made it slower. On the TP2 it contains no workarounds and its pretty snappy! Also I run a bunch of apps at once and it doesn't bog down So here's my two thumbs up!!!

i really dont see nothing wrong wit the tmo version of this phone.. besides the lack of 3.5mm jack and color change from the Euro version..
But the stock rom that comes with the phone is a bit off.. i had to flash it the first day i got it
but i wouldn't mind taking a euro version over the tmo one anyday.. one major reason that stop me from gettng the euro one is that it do not have 3G US bands on it.

Well it's too late now as I am now a proud owner of a Touch Pro 2
I love this thing already. flashed it with a new rom, whats the best radio to use? i'm not too familiar with the whole radio flashing thing like as in like whats the best one to use, so if someone could point me in the right direction? if not ill just search it.

Well it's too late now as I am now a proud owner of a Touch Pro 2
I love this thing already. flashed it with a new rom, whats the best radio to use? i'm not too familiar with the whole radio flashing thing like as in like whats the best one to use, so if someone could point me in the right direction? if not ill just search it.

[Q] What's Your Next Phone?

A question for my fellow Rhodium owners: What phone do you plan on (with the information on hand) going to next?
I'm on AT&T, and won't switch for many legacy reasons. I feel like there's no good options at this time. If I want to stay Windows Mobile, I either lose HTC or the keyboard, neither of which seems like an upgrade to me. If I go Android, the only good keyboard HTC phone is the Desire Z, and AT&T hasn't announced it yet. I want to stick with HTC on AT&T, but it looks like if I need a keyboard, it's LG WinPho7, or Samsung Android. Are there any better options? What are the rest of you, devotees of the amazing tilt keyboard form factor, planning on doing with this next generation of phones?

MS is unveiling Windows Phone 7 today, and a whole slew of phones have been announced for ATT, Sprint, and T-Mob. Many of the handsets will be available in the next couple months. WP7 is still an unknown. But MS has dumped lots of $$$ and time into its development. It remains to be seen if the new OS can compete with iOS4 and Android, but its worth considering.
Phonedog says the phones have appeared on ATT's website, but I can't find them. The HTC offering from ATT seems like an odd form factor, with a slide-out speaker instead of a keyboard. Multi-media is nice, but it doesn't trump the functionality of the keyboard, for me.
http://www.phonedog.com/2010/10/11/htc-surround-samsung-focus-lg-quantum-appear-on-at-t-s-site/
Sprint may have gotten the best successor to the TP2, in the form of the 7 Pro. Considering the name, this may be the "real" successor to the Touch Pro line. Looks like it even includes the tilt screen, and the 5th row of keys for the numbers; features which are both missing from HTC's recent keyboard-toting Android options (Desire Z and the T-Mobile G2).
http://www.phonedog.com/2010/10/11/htc-announces-five-windows-phone-7-devices-including-7-pro-for-sprint/
Assuming WP7 is up to the hype, we can hope and pray a version of the 7 Pro will come to ATT. But I'll bet we are in for a wait, if we get it at all. I'm in the same boat, as I am on ATT and don't plan to switch anytime soon.

Yeah, the HTC Surround, with the slide out speaker, seems useless. The sliding form-factor makes the phone really thick compared with a standard touch phone, and without a keyboard, there's not enough of a trade-off.
Thank you for posting the link to the 7 Pro, which seems like the best phone I've seen all year, and definitely the perfect successor to the Touch Pro 2. Given the Tilt's history with AT&T, I'm going nuts here that AT&T isn't getting it, at least not yet. Please, HTC, promise me it's coming!
I'm going to have to upgrade in the next six months if I don't hear about a "coming soon" keyboard phone that's going to make it work waiting a little longer, so somebody better start leaking info...

Here it is at Engadget:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/11/htc-7-pro-first-hands-on/
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/10/htc7pro33.jpg
This phone has me salivating. I was ready to jump ship to Android, but if this comes to AT&T, I think I can give Microsoft another 2 years easy.

blognc said:
Here it is at Engadget:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/11/htc-7-pro-first-hands-on/
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/10/htc7pro33.jpg
This phone has me salivating. I was ready to jump ship to Android, but if this comes to AT&T, I think I can give Microsoft another 2 years easy.
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7 Pro
Look at that 7 Pro...
My goodness...thats my next. Without a doubt, although they say it's only coming to Sprint in the US, hopefully they will make an unlocked/gsm version. I'm on Tmo and I've never had 3G since before the TP2 I have the TyTn2. I don't think HTC would be that ignorant as to not release the 7 Pro on a GSM carrier in the US, It would make absolutely no sense.

deuce22 said:
Look at that 7 Pro...
My goodness...thats my next. Without a doubt, although they say it's only coming to Sprint in the US, hopefully they will make an unlocked/gsm version. I'm on Tmo and I've never had 3G since before the TP2 I have the TyTn2. I don't think HTC would be that ignorant as to not release the 7 Pro on a GSM carrier in the US, It would make absolutely no sense.
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I agree. I can't find any sales figures, but the Touch Pro 2 occupies a very important business professional niche in the market, and HTC would be ill-advised to abandon it. Expecially when they've already got an amazing design, it wouldn't make sense to limit yourself just to Sprint. After all, Sprint exclusives aren't exactly tearing up the market.

htc 7 pro. looks niice.
linky.

Nothing I've seen so far has the same 5 row killer hardware keyboard as the TP2 so far (including the Desire-Z). It really is unsurpassed. At the same time, capacitive screens, touchscreen keyboards and the predictive algorithms behind them have got so much better than when the TP2 was designed, and we have Swype as well.
Based on this fact, it isn't necessarily a compromise to move away from a hardware keyboard nowadays. It depends on what you find important on your phone. I like photography and browsing on a large display and it'll be great to have a decent camera on me wherever I go. My next phone will probably be the Motorola XT720 Milestone as a result.

Touch pro 7 looks good but why the hell did they give it only a 3.6' screen? With the size of the phone they could have easily stretched the screen size to 4' or made it 3.7' at least, so it doesnt look like a downgrade for us TP2 owners. If that screen was 4', I would have been tempted to go for a WP7 phone but for now I still want to go 'De Android Way'
Right now, I have lost my interest in the Desire Z cos of the delays issues we have here in Europe. I would have gone for the Samsung Epic but we are not getting here so for now I will be putting off my next phone purchase for about 8 months or so, say June 2011.

Right now I am not sure what my next phone will be. I already have a HD2 along with my TP2 and Touch HD. I prefer WM but I rather wait on WM7 until one of our Great Chefs/Developers port it for the HD2 so I can evaluate the OS

it should be HTC 7 Pro

My two bits.
I knew wm phones before and had decided never to make the same mistake of having one as my main phone again. The only thing that changed that was the full qwerty 5 row keyboard.
I will only change to a much better processor, and i repeat MUCH better, no smaller screen, larger battery (don't care if the phone gets bigger) and multi touch screen.
Again much much better processor

i went from a tilt 2 to htc evo. i love my evo but i miss my tilting screen and keyboard dearly. it would be more forgivable if the evo supported blue tooth hid keyboard support but stock rom does not and the only ROM that does, which is very popular, is a ROM that i don't like, aka cm6.
i poked around here tonight to see exactly what the op was after and i don't think we have anything in the future like some of want.
another thing is that i have pleged that i will not have another wm phone, me and my family stuck with wm since 8125 and we now have the same out look as m$ when it comes to wm. this is the only reason for stipulating aos.
here is my dream phone
aos
4.3 led capcitive
slide/ tilting keyboard
2 cameras
1 ghz plus cpu
dedicated gcpu
1GBram
16GB internal
sd external
bright leds on back for flash and light
it needs to stay thin and have good sound and battery life, lol
plus all the other things we have come to expect from a smart phone.
price: less than $500
basically, touch pro + evo + some upgrades.

Im also wondering what my next phone will be. Im afraid to switch to android for fear its too 'dumbed down' compared to what Im used to, but it appears theres enough android hacking going on that it will probably be fine. I use outlook sync and know that can be a pita with android.
Im also afraid WP7 may be too dumbed down as well. No 3rd party multitasking and cut and paste? what are they thinking?
Anyway, love the looks of the 7 pro, but am I reading it correctly that it doesnt have a microSD slot? that cant be right

Sounds like my dream phone... and u know its possible, but will they make it?? And for all the carriers like the galaxy did... of course not, they feel the need to keep us asking for more
potna said:
here is my dream phone
aos
4.3 led capcitive
slide/ tilting keyboard
2 cameras
1 ghz plus cpu
dedicated gcpu
1GBram
16GB internal
sd external
bright leds on back for flash and light
it needs to stay thin and have good sound and battery life, lol
plus all the other things we have come to expect from a smart phone.
price: less than $500
basically, touch pro + evo + some upgrades.
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My next phone will be the VzW version of the EVO, to come out soon.
I'll keep my TP2 till she dies ... but after a (very) short memorial service/wake, I'll get the EVO. Cool like the TP2, but makes the iPhoneys jealous!

Oh and my dream phone should be water proof, lol
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well i always like phone that you can use with one hand.. hint hint t-mobile shadow 1, the touch pro2 was a nice switch but the t-mobile shadow had some advantage over it with it compact qwerty key pad, to sum it up the dell venue might be my next purchase... looking at the touch pro 7 spec it looks like Microsoft hint the jack pot using the first gen of snapdragon processor to power these deceive without having to use the second or third line up of snapdragon processor.
with that being said i feel like there not going to pull an iphone on me.... dell venue S, dell venue 2 SS, dell venue's SS 2.5, dell venue 3G, dell venu.... well u get the point
does anybody know if the dell ven going to support nextflic

The 7 Pro is amazing hardware, but the OS kills it. I just hope HTC brings the form factor to Android.

Please help me decide HD2 or Touch Pro2

I would appreciate if anybody could give comparison between HD2 and Touch Pro2 because I am torn between the two models. I am now using Dopod 838pro (Tytn)
and want to upgrade coz my phone is "dying". Basically I like the HD2 for the speed and the screen but it don't have video call or macro mode. I like most of the spec in touch pro but it lack speed compare to HD2. So i guess someone who have used both of these models would know the pros and cons. Especially the speed of these two processor in real life. Any input would greatly appreciate

You should go for the HD2. The speeds of the TP2 is getting really anoying. And the fact that android is running very smooth on the HD2.
And there is the possiblity of a WP7 rom for the HD2 in the future.

The biggest decision you have to make is how much do you value a physical keyboard? If it's a big deal for you, then go for the Touch Pro2. If you don't care about a keyboard, then the HD2 is a far superior choice in terms of hardware as well as software development. HTC's website lists the specs of both machines. Keep in mind that the T-Mobile version of the HD2 has 1GB of internal storage as opposed to half of that on any other version of it.

my own opinion, go for TP2, it's qwerty hardware keyboard are valuable things to have, just like Your Hermes, it make different easy way related for daily working usage

Thanks for all the replies. My problem with HD2 is there is no secondary camera for video call. Then if I choose TP2, how bad is the speed, is it acceptable if compare to Hermes (Hermes is quite slow to me)?. Or is it just about the same?.
Well.... I think I have to choose TP2 for the secondary camera. If HD2 come with secondary camera that would be a dream. I have also look at other WinMo device such as Omnia Pro with the slide keyboard, secondary camera and 800MHz but not so good UI, and I like HTC more.

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Thanks for all the replies. My problem with HD2 is there is no secondary camera for video call. Then if I choose TP2, how bad is the speed, is it acceptable if compare to Hermes (Hermes is quite slow to me)?. Or is it just about the same?.
Well.... I think I have to choose TP2 for the secondary camera. If HD2 come with secondary camera that would be a dream. I have also look at other WinMo device such as Omnia Pro with the slide keyboard, secondary camera and 800MHz but not so good UI, and I like HTC more.
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If you are in the US, the second camera makes no difference as it will not work for video calling here. Video calls on the TP2 only work in Europe.

Ok dx3me, here's my personal opinion. I had previously purchased the Touch Pro2 because of its keyboard form factor as well as the front camera. I came from the Xda Exec/Htc Universal phone and this greatly influence my choise for the Tp2.
-->First complain edited since the TP2 can play smooth videos provided you know how to convert it with this tool--->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467112
Second complain is that the internet experience is not that great and after using a hd2, I really prefer its bigger screen as it delivers a new approach on how you can easily browse, email, chats and so on. Very stylish in the hands and its look is simply amazing - it will surely not go unnoticed by people around you due to its huge screen + "slim" size.
Third and last one is that some softwares are so damn slow to run on it and the lack of extra RAM suffers greatly.
So I am definitely planning to switch to a HTC HD2 in the coming weeks as compared to the TP2, the HD2 has specifications of a new generation phone where as the tp2 is very very far behind. Now that many phones are coming out equipped with a 1ghz proccessor, I bet that most people will follow the trend and get similar powerful phones unless keyboard is an absolute must or money is a key factor...My opinions only...

Okay, you want an opinion? I'm a person with both a Touch Pro 2 and a HD2.
Well first, I loved my TP2. I thought it was the best phone I've ever had. Loved the physical keyboard, it seemed to be running fast, and it can run Android on it, although not quite so well. The resistive touchscreen was very accurate, even though it could sometimes be one big pain in the arse. That's when the stylus came in.Pop it out, use it, pop it back in, simple. But then after a while, the darn thing felt so slow. Pages took a long time to load, no Flash support in browsers, my battery drained fast. One day I went to the T-Mobile store in my area. What do I see sitting in front of me? A live working HD2, hooked up to their security system. So I try it. So fast, I have to have it. So I h'whipped p) out $500 bucks from my pocket a few months later, and I had my HD2. It can run Android 2.2. It can run Flash videos perfectly. Hell, even Windows Mobile was fast. Then I thought, oh shucks, the keyboard. I flipped the phone into Landscape mode and that friggin keyboard is amazing. Now I have big hands - my fingertips are about as big as the keys on my keyboard. This keyboard won't make you miss your Touch Pro 2. Since then, my Touch Pro 2 has sat in a corner, neglected. I feel sorry for it from time to time and use it p), but then I go straight back to the HD2.
One disadvantage of the HD2 is the BATTERY LIFE. Heavy use - 4 hours (constantly on)

HD2...I really like the hard keyboard on my TP2, but it just doesn't have enough Ram, My older Samsung Epix ran better, the TP2 just sucks away ram, I end up soft resetting a couple times a day, just from text messaging or checking my calendar or weather, it's a pretty big disappointment in that area. Just think, the HD2 will have a processor about twice the speed of the TP2 and twice the ram, plus half a Gig to 1 Gig of internal storage, for pesky programs that won't go on the storage card. If you want specs just check out: http://www.htc.com/us/products/compare/104-65-61?view=1-3&sort=0

I think I know which one to get!!
Thank you everyone for the inputs.
Well, I'm changing my mind. I have tested a demo HD2 in the shop and like it. I think I have to get the HD2. I also can't consider any of the WP7 devices at the moment because I think I would not buy the WP7 devices until it become better devices. That could be a year or two. Well if I could not live without the video call (on HD2), I have to fix my Hermes a bit as a backup. So I can use the video call on my good old Hermes. Hopefully this could work. (The only bad thing is I have to carry my Hermes along if I intend to do a video call)

Hi Mate,
I Have both the Touch Pro 2 and HD2 and I would only recommend the HD2!! My personal opion is that I would not waste your money on the touch pro 2.
Col

Hmmm, I've been using the HD2 for 1week now and my previous excitement has a bit vanished for this phone. I used the phone a lot for business purposes (especially using emails and chat a lot) and the lack of a keyboard suffers GREATLY. Though the HD2 screen is large for typing, I ended up in making mistakes couple of times when typing fast and I was really frustrated having to constantly correct my mistakes. This is time consuming especially when I have a lot of emails to respond on the way, and often gets my nerves to the limit.
The touch screen though is very responsive but I feel that the TP2 resistive screen has a bit more precision. Speed wise, the HD2 blows the TP2 and it is definitely great to watch your pictures/movies on the large screen. Apart from the mutimedia use, I am going to stick back to my TP2 and return the HD2. Nothing feels better than a physical qwerty keyboard and...a resistive screen for selecting a specific word easily when typing (...my opinions only).

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Though the HD2 screen is large for typing, I ended up in making mistakes couple of times when typing fast and I was really frustrated having to constantly correct my mistakes. This is time consuming especially when I have a lot of emails to respond on the way, and often gets my nerves to the limit.
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I have big hands and I only make one error out of every hundred words.

Hi there,
I'm hoping to help you with my story: Using my father's old WM device (MDA Compact III) for about one year, in the beginning of this year I decided to go for something new. My most important requirement for the new device was a QWERTZ-keyboard (here in Germany). So, there wasn't much of a choice I had and after scanning through some device's reviews looking also at those without a QWERTZ to get to know the current standards (among them the HD2, "old" TouchPro, G1, BlackBerry 9700, Xperia X1 and some of the Samsung and LG devices) I bought the TouchPro2 as it seemed to me the best choice concerning specifications and my demands. And I was really happy about it! It was way faster than my former MDA, had much better graphics, loads of software to use and so on...
When time passed by, I started to pick up on some custom roms, as I wasn't satisfied with the speed (everyone know about the upgrading his personal requirements). Found the roms of NRGZ28 very good, stable and fast.
However, I was constantly getting more and more fed up with WM6(.5) and the phone as there are some constant (to me unknown) freezes and hangs. And as WM7 will not be seen on this device I decided to go for another change: I ordered the Desire Z, which is (finally) on its way, maybe arriving today.
My advice for you: take a look at Android or WM7. And try around with those keyboards and decide, if you *really* need a physical one. There is a whole bunch of good devices, that will be released with WM7 and Android.
Cheers!

OP got the HD2. There is no longer any reason to try to convince him of anything.

cajunflavoredbob said:
OP got the HD2. There is no longer any reason to try to convince him of anything.
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ah, too late... well then, have fun with the hd2

abprie said:
ah, too late... well then, have fun with the hd2
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Hmmm I would be curious to hear your opinions on both phones - may you share?

I'd vote for the HD2 because of it's specifications. Like it was said earlier the HD2 blows the TP2 out of the water. But also pointed out is the problem with WinMo 6.5. This stock ROM is a dinosaur in age and just doesn't hold a candle up to Android or WM7. I also was fed up with it on my HD2 so I made a complete change and switched my device over the Android via custom ROMs found on these forums. I've never been happier!
So the debate really is between Android and WM7. Considering the future I think getting android would be a better deal. It's going to explode in popularity due to Microsoft's and Apple's security lockdowns on their devices (they aren't very customizable, WM7 and the iPhone etc), and because of Android being open source.
So before I get going on a tangent , I'd recommend getting the HD2 if you like customizing your phone A LOT. It can be kind of a scary procedure. But if you're not up to that kind of stuff I'd recommend looking at HTC's Android phones. They're very stable and fun to use. The TP2 will become a very average phone in the next while with all the new and cool stuff coming out.

Where to upgrade after the Touch Pro 2?

I've been using the HTC Touch Pro 2 since last April with T-Mobile. I've absolutely loved the functionality, including ability to customize the ROM(<3 Energy), simple to use web browsing, texting, email, wifi router, bluetooth ability, and many other features that come with the smart phones. I'd die right now during school/work/personal stuff without the calendar.
When I bought it last year, the HD2 was sitting next to it, and the reason I went with the HD2 was the hardware keyboard. Software keyboards annoy the heck out of me unless they're well done. I could type 5 times faster on my TP2 than an ipod touch. But, what is getting to me now after using the TP2 for 10 months?
- Camera: Quality isn't high enough compared to other shots I've seen taken by phones. I switch the lighting settings to tweak it, but it's still grainy. I as in a dark club the other night, and watched someone take pictures that were noticeably clearer than mine.
- Lack of 3.5mm Headset Adapter. I have to use the HTC USB -> 3.5mm adapter to listen with earbuds to music. Annoying.
Like I said, the hardware keyboard is almost necessity, but I could learn to deal with a software if it's not the kind that can be easily fat fingered.
That's all I can think of right now. Any help with the phone upgrade process would be greatly appreciated.

i think your first decision is probably are you going to stay with windows phone 7, android, iOS, or webOS.
Almost all of these software has some nice phones with physical keyboard. 3.5mm headphone jack (it's pretty much standard now with most high-end phones). If you want a good camera, go with the phone with led flash support then you probabaly will be fine.

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i think your first decision is probably are you going to stay with windows phone 7, android, iOS, or webOS.
Almost all of these software has some nice phones with physical keyboard. 3.5mm headphone jack (it's pretty much standard now with most high-end phones). If you want a good camera, go with the phone with led flash support then you probabaly will be fine.
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I liked the TP2 after I got it because it was an operating environment I was used to and familiar with. I haven't used any other one, so I can't comment on it. What are examples of phones with hardware keyboards that have the same, if not better functionality than the TP2, including the things I listed of any OS? The HD2 and HD7 look enticing, but if there's something similar that might suit my needs better, I'm just looking for suggestions.

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I liked the TP2 after I got it because it was an operating environment I was used to and familiar with. I haven't used any other one, so I can't comment on it. What are examples of phones with hardware keyboards that have the same, if not better functionality than the TP2, including the things I listed of any OS? The HD2 and HD7 look enticing, but if there's something similar that might suit my needs better, I'm just looking for suggestions.
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If the keyboard is what you care about, then perhaps you should simply wait for the HTC 7 Pro to be available. It is basically the Touch Pro2 on steroids. It is the successor to the TP2 and runs WP7. There's a thread with a bunch of useful information HERE.

I'm in same boat as you, trying to figure which phone next. Still cannot decide and will give it another year, mainly because 3G networks are in a state of flux where I live (now still using EDGE). I will likely either go to Android if I can get the sync with MS Office to my liking or WM7 if the apps take off. No interest in other phones.
As for headphones on TP2, I have a nice bluetooth set by Jabra that does away with need for jack.

I was in the same boat as you a couple months ago when my contract ended with my provider. I had been looking at WP7 since the first whiff of it came out, but the more I read about it the more I disliked it. Long story short I greatly dislike all of these current operating systems for varying reasons.
So eventually I decided that the TP2 was as good as it was going to get for me for now, and bought up a couple extra of them. They're relatively cheap, and they all should last me until I cannot physically use them anymore (carrier doesnt support for some reason, or I can't find any good batteries, etc..) or until some company makes something desirable for me.
My advice is that you research at length all of your options before you end up with something you don't like using. It took me a lot of time playing around with android and WP7 before I decided I didn't want any of them. The TP2 is an excellent device and Windows Mobile is an excellent OS, don't let anyone fool you into thinking otherwise.
As far as your complaints, 3.2 MP is enough for me and my carrier's TP2 includes a headphone jack.. So I guess we're not in the same boat in those regards...

maybe an evo shift 4g?
http://www.htc.com/us/products/shift-sprint#overview
and i dont know where you live, but in europe we have an HTC Desire Z

Check out my review/comparison of the Desire Z (T-Mobile G2) to the Touch Pro 2:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=955526
A friend of mine works at T-Mobile, and can have any phone he wants (that T-Mobile carries). His weapon of choice is the G2.

redpoint73 said:
Check out my review/comparison of the Desire Z (T-Mobile G2) to the Touch Pro 2:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=955526
A friend of mine works at T-Mobile, and can have any phone he wants (that T-Mobile carries). His weapon of choice is the G2.
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I'm in a similar boat... I love the TP2 for it's design, had a Tilt before so this was a great upgrade. But there's nothing that's coming out from HTC that I've seen or heard of that looks like an upgrade. The 7 Pro is kind of an upgrade, but not the same kind of amazing upgrade like the Tilt to Tilt 2... I would like a slightly larger/better display but also keep the physical kb... I've been lookin at the Atrix (even tho they say you can't put custom roms on it yet), just cuz it sounds pretty sick but I keep hoping a phone w/ a kb comes out. Looks like Dell is gonna bring something out but not til the end of this year I think... I really hope HTC brings out a Tilt 3 w/ a 4-4.3in screen, better camera, runnin android since I don't really like WP7 & a dual processor...lol

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I'm in a similar boat... I love the TP2 for it's design, had a Tilt before so this was a great upgrade. But there's nothing that's coming out from HTC that I've seen or heard of that looks like an upgrade. The 7 Pro is kind of an upgrade, but not the same kind of amazing upgrade like the Tilt to Tilt 2... I would like a slightly larger/better display but also keep the physical kb... I've been lookin at the Atrix (even tho they say you can't put custom roms on it yet), just cuz it sounds pretty sick but I keep hoping a phone w/ a kb comes out. Looks like Dell is gonna bring something out but not til the end of this year I think... I really hope HTC brings out a Tilt 3 w/ a 4-4.3in screen, better camera, runnin android since I don't really like WP7 & a dual processor...lol
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The Atrix concept looks very cool, but I've been pretty underwhelmed by the recent Motorola handsets. They just feel cheap and clunky compared to HTC phones. But maybe they can step it up a notch. Similarly, the Dell Streak seemed like nothing special that just about every other manufacturer couldn't match or do better. And there were some things, like the proprietary dock connector, that were outright inexcusable. Again, they are going to need to kick it up a notch to get me remotely interested in their products.
I agree that a slightly larger screen (maybe around 3.9 or 4.0 in) would be really nice for watching video, and make the on-screen keyboard easier to use (for the times you don't feel the need to flip out the hardward keyboard). But I think a 4.3 in display with a hardware keyboard would result in a really big, thick, heavy phone.
But I have to say, the Desire Z is a pretty sick upgrade over the Tilt2. Maybe not in terms of form factor, but in terms of just about everything else.

I have no upgrades available for a long time so I'd be buying retail. The 7 pro looks quite interesting. Maybe I'll stop buy the T-Mobile store and see how the desire z feels. Is there much of a change over the TP2 to go to a Desire Z?
I've somewhat fixed the no 3.5mm jack issue by buying a bluetooth headset that supports a2dp. I guess that'll hold me over until later this year if I upgrade.

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I have no upgrades available for a long time so I'd be buying retail. The 7 pro looks quite interesting. Maybe I'll stop buy the T-Mobile store and see how the desire z feels. Is there much of a change over the TP2 to go to a Desire Z?
I've somewhat fixed the no 3.5mm jack issue by buying a bluetooth headset that supports a2dp. I guess that'll hold me over until later this year if I upgrade.
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The keyboard on the Desire Z is smaller than the Touch Pro2, but most people who own it say that it still feels very nice. I would miss my dedicated number row, though. I've gotten very used to it.

i have loved my touch pro 2 for the past year or so and all the devs, everyone at XDA made me love it even more. my girlfriend has an iphone and ill never ever trade my phone for iOS and theres not any other phone carried by ATT that is any better than the touch pro 2 i think..but then the Atrix came along. its a sad realization but you cant compare the specs of our touch pros to any of these new devices. sure im sacrificing the full qwerty kb we all know and love and moving on from winmo 6.5 (that ive grown with since 5.x) but i feel like its for the better. especially with all the wear and tear ive put my phone thru, sure is one hell of a trooper thats for sure, its time to set it down and ive made my decision. expecting my atrix to arrive this coming monday. so with this goodluck to all with whatever you decide!

Phone after TP2
I'm also investigating new phones (although doing so would also require me to give up my sero plan, which seems unlikely at the moment).
For me on Sprint, there seems to be a few major choices that include a physical keyboard that I was looking at:
Android:
-HTC EVO Shift
-Samsung Epic 4G
WP7:
-[upcoming] HTC 7 Pro
The EVO shift has a similar sized screen to the TP2, while the Epic 4G goes a bit larger (4") and has a faster processor (1 Ghz vs. 800 Mhz on the Evo Shift). Nonetheless, I'm still pretty turned off by the touchwiz UI on the Epic 4g -- a bit to cartoony for my tastes.
Since the 7 pro is essentially the successor to the TP2, the dimensions are pretty similar albeit with an upgraded processor (1 Ghz).
I'm currently running XDAndroid on the TP2, so I have a sense of how android works, but I've never tried WP7 -- after classic WinMo I'm still kind of hesitant to go back to Microsoft.
To anyone who has been using WP7 -- any thoughts on the disadvantages/advantages over android?

I guess the most obvious phone would be the HTC 7 pro closely followed by the Desire Z.
Personally i decided to keep my TP2 after 2 years (i can pick a new phone @ my provider in june). The phone does everything i want.
The only program i miss on Windows Mobile is WhatsApp/pingchat

FeareX said:
I guess the most obvious phone would be the HTC 7 pro closely followed by the Desire Z.
Personally i decided to keep my TP2 after 2 years (i can pick a new phone @ my provider in june). The phone does everything i want.
The only program i miss on Windows Mobile is WhatsApp/pingchat
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I get the Desire Z. I went to T-Mobile hoping to find one to even hold and play with, but didn't see one. I'm just really hung up on the hardware keyboard when considering an HD7. The hardware keyboard makes me want to pump out paragraphs of forum posts on the phone. The software keyboard makes me hate texting.

Same thougths here, and same conclusions, just like some people wrote: I tried some phones, but the only possible choice would be the Desire Z (7 Pro w/o card slot is a NO GO!). I ended up buying an new display to replace the cracked one in my TP2 (via ebay, from HK), saving LOTS of money, and still having the device I like and am used to.
Someone wrote about TP2 being cheap(er) now, where do you get them and at which price? They're still above 50% of the price at introduction around here in Germany. If they were cheaper, I'd buy one as spare, too.

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Same thougths here, and same conclusions, just like some people wrote: I tried some phones, but the only possible choice would be the Desire Z (7 Pro w/o card slot is a NO GO!). I ended up buying an new display to replace the cracked one in my TP2 (via ebay, from HK), saving LOTS of money, and still having the device I like and am used to.
Someone wrote about TP2 being cheap(er) now, where do you get them and at which price? They're still above 50% of the price at introduction around here in Germany. If they were cheaper, I'd buy one as spare, too.
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They go for cheap in the Marketplace forum here in XDA every now and then. There's also eBay. I've seen them as low as $120 recently.

That's an incredible price! They're still well over 250€ new on Ebay, almost 400€ in the cheapest onlineshop I found in Germany! WOW.

I will vote for HTC 7 pro, as you've been used to using a keyboard, it's hard to go back to the on-screen one, and BTW HTC 7 Pro is really amazing