So i'm thinking about getting a new phone, and i've been following the touch pro 2 for awhile since it was announced, and it's always caught my interest. Right now i'd be paying 350 since i'm under tmobile, i'm just wondering from peoples opinions is it worth it?
can someone layout the pros and the cons on the phone for me? thanks.
Welcome to forums
Of course it´s worth every cent!
Redundant if we post here pros and cons
Better read and search!!
Good luck,
I paid $688.88 for my unlocked/unbranded version a couple months back and I have no regrets.
Paid $525 and I can't put it down! Worth every cent and thank god I made the switch and left the Blackberry world. I will not lie, I did hesitate to leave my Blackberry 8900 even after tracking the TP2 for like a month. Blackberry has nothing on HTC TP2.
I guess imma just shut up and get it haha. sorry for not using the search function. just got really curious
Pros:
the lovely, lovely physical keyboard - I just can't tell you how useful this is;
large, bright, high-res screen (3.6", 800x480);
excellent support from this website;
very good call quality (so long as you don't get the T-mobile version);
some very neat business-oriented features (e.g. if you put the phone down face-down in mid conversation it automatically switches to speaker-phone);
noise-cancelling so other people can hear you clearly over traffic;
TouchFLO interface is quite nice;
running Windows Mobile means a huge range of downloadable apps;
built-in Word, Excel and Powerpoint support.
Cons:
not everyone likes Windows Mobile, and you find yourself dumped into it more often than you'd expect - this also limits you to 16-bit colour;
HTC and Qualcomm between them have somehow managed to arrange things so that 3rd party apps cannot make use of the GPU, which makes video playback decidedly iffy;
larger and much heavier than most phones (that's the price of the keyboard);
uses much the same hardware as phones released a year ago (much less powerful than an iPhone 3GS or even the latest Samsung models);
thoroughly mediocre camera with no flash;
no one version of the phone will work everywhere in the world (as far as I know);
most versions lack a 3.5mm headphone jack, so if you want to use anything other than the bundled headphones you need an adapter, and unless you have a very fancy adapter you can't listen to music on it and charge it at the same time;
unimpressive battery life;
resistive touch-screen is better than most, but less responsive than a capacitive screen and cannot ever support multi-touch (although a capacitive screen wouldn't allow you to use a stylus, so there are swings and roundabouts);
lack of on-board storage.
paid $900 for mine on ebay before official launch - been with it on safaris in Africa , paddled and plotted my course on lower Zambezi with hippos.... It's worth every cent.
AlCapone said:
paid $900 for mine on ebay before official launch - been with it on safaris in Africa , paddled and plotted my course on lower Zambezi with hippos.... It's worth every cent.
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wouldn't go that far but it is a great phone.
Saying that, like with every device I'd think seriously about what you want your phone to do.
I wanted a web browsing, business phone communicator. Its close to perfect.
If you're looking for a slim camera music player etc.? Stay well away.
Shasarak said:
resistive touch-screen is better than most, but less responsive than a capacitive screen and cannot ever support multi-touch (although a capacitive screen wouldn't allow you to use a stylus, so there are swings and roundabouts)
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Never say never
Especially the second one is a software only solution, since the Nokia 5800 also has a resistive touch screen.
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/9051_Multi-touch_on_resistive_touch.php
http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2009/03/03/nokia-5800-gets-experimental-multitouch/
ryohazuki said:
So i'm thinking about getting a new phone, and i've been following the touch pro 2 for awhile since it was announced, and it's always caught my interest. Right now i'd be paying 350 since i'm under tmobile, i'm just wondering from peoples opinions is it worth it?
can someone layout the pros and the cons on the phone for me? thanks.
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I moved to this phone from a G1 (and an iPhone before that) on tmobile, and IMHO this is the best phone available with tmobile 3G right now. Fast, stable, and with WM you have tons of options for customizing/personalizing your handset. So far (had it about a week) i really see no cons with this device, if anything it'd be its size, but its not a complaint by me, its the same size as a G1.
Shasarak said:
Pros:
the lovely, lovely physical keyboard - I just can't tell you how useful this is;
large, bright, high-res screen (3.6", 800x480);
excellent support from this website;
very good call quality (so long as you don't get the T-mobile version);
some very neat business-oriented features (e.g. if you put the phone down face-down in mid conversation it automatically switches to speaker-phone);
noise-cancelling so other people can hear you clearly over traffic;
TouchFLO interface is quite nice;
running Windows Mobile means a huge range of downloadable apps;
built-in Word, Excel and Powerpoint support.
Cons:
not everyone likes Windows Mobile, and you find yourself dumped into it more often than you'd expect - this also limits you to 16-bit colour;
HTC and Qualcomm between them have somehow managed to arrange things so that 3rd party apps cannot make use of the GPU, which makes video playback decidedly iffy;
larger and much heavier than most phones (that's the price of the keyboard);
uses much the same hardware as phones released a year ago (much less powerful than an iPhone 3GS or even the latest Samsung models);
thoroughly mediocre camera with no flash;
no one version of the phone will work everywhere in the world (as far as I know);
most versions lack a 3.5mm headphone jack, so if you want to use anything other than the bundled headphones you need an adapter, and unless you have a very fancy adapter you can't listen to music on it and charge it at the same time;
unimpressive battery life;
resistive touch-screen is better than most, but less responsive than a capacitive screen and cannot ever support multi-touch (although a capacitive screen wouldn't allow you to use a stylus, so there are swings and roundabouts);
lack of on-board storage.
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dunno if this is considered reviving a dead thread or anything thats my own but
the size isn't a problem for me, i've owned a windows mobile phone before and liked it but whats wrong with the tmobile version? and is the battery life really that bad?
I'm pleased with mine. Basically I had an MDA for almost 3 and a half years, with a short try of a Wing. Great winmobile phone, haven't had too much battery problems, phone quality seems ok, better than the MDA.
And the phone senses when it's close to your ear--no more false button pushes!
Cheers,
Tom
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but whats wrong with the tmobile version? and is the battery life really that bad?
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The t-mobile version is rather oddly configured. Most of what's wrong with it can be corrected (all in one hit if you don't mind flashing it with a different ROM) but it's a little fiddly. For example, the in-call volume seems to be lower on the t-mobile version - people complain that the sound is too quiet and "muffled". I believe this can be fixed by replacing a file with the equivalent from an unbranded phone, but it's still a fiddle if you expect things to work properly out of the box. I think the t-mobile version may also be set up to use Internet Explorer rather than Opera as the default browser. Again, it's not difficult to change this, it's just annoying.
The battery life is okay, but not great. If you're watching video clips or gaming you can completely drain a fully-charged battery in 3-4 hours.
Btw, one important draw-back that I forgot to mention is the lack of a D-pad - that's a real problem if you're a gamer.
General concensus for veteran WM users i found here is that almost all quite satisfied with TP2 out of the box, since these persons are coming from previous devices and know-well that TP2 is the 1st time HTC (almost) do it perfectly. In condition they didn't receive defect unit.
For new WM users, i see 50-50. But that's improvement, because with previous devices it can be as much as 20-80 (80% unsatisfied), with 20% are looking for ways to improve their devices. That's why now we have this great forum
i have the original EU version of this device and i must say that this is the best phone i used ever , and believe me i switch mobiles like socks ...
the most important thing for me is the stability of the OS , in my case i havnt done any soft reset since i got this device three weeks ago ( depens on your ROM version ect...)
another good thing is the speaker phone , try to compare it to the iphone 3gs and you will notice a big diffrence,
schizo said:
General concensus for veteran WM users i found here is that almost all quite satisfied with TP2 out of the box, since these persons are coming from previous devices and know-well that TP2 is the 1st time HTC (almost) do it perfectly. In condition they didn't receive defect unit.
For new WM users, i see 50-50. But that's improvement, because with previous devices it can be as much as 20-80 (80% unsatisfied), with 20% are looking for ways to improve their devices. That's why now we have this great forum
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I would consider myself a wm vet, this is my 4rth wm phone and the TP2 if I purchase it will be my 5th. I can hardly run my TP at times because it is so slow. I have everything on my class 6 sd and some apps on my phone which is minimal. I am running nrg rom latest and I must say it is slow as balls.
I might even skip the tp2 because it shares the same chipset for att as the tp. Making it slow as balls but with a much larger screen. My favorite warez website just opened an Iphone section. all apps available, Gui much better, mms hacked, better graphics, shes lookin alot better these days. The tp2 just aint cuttin it as far as performance. I might just make the switch until HTC and winmo get there act together. Truely sad as I've been an iphone and apple hater for quite sometime. The truth is the tp2 lacks everything except the screen and keyboard. Winmo and htc are pushing me out with these piece of **** phones.
eh I might still get the tp2. I am seriously looking for reasons not to get the Icrap. Flame on aholes..
Well I've had the T-mobile version for about a month now and I have to say its pure Winsuace!!! Now as for the same chip set as the touch pro , that's not exactly ture. If you look around on the fourms, some one posted a link about where there was a dispute between Qulacom and another chipmaker about the cpu. So because of that the Touch Pros cpu contained some work arounds so it could be used and that made it slower. On the TP2 it contains no workarounds and its pretty snappy! Also I run a bunch of apps at once and it doesn't bog down So here's my two thumbs up!!!
i really dont see nothing wrong wit the tmo version of this phone.. besides the lack of 3.5mm jack and color change from the Euro version..
But the stock rom that comes with the phone is a bit off.. i had to flash it the first day i got it
but i wouldn't mind taking a euro version over the tmo one anyday.. one major reason that stop me from gettng the euro one is that it do not have 3G US bands on it.
Well it's too late now as I am now a proud owner of a Touch Pro 2
I love this thing already. flashed it with a new rom, whats the best radio to use? i'm not too familiar with the whole radio flashing thing like as in like whats the best one to use, so if someone could point me in the right direction? if not ill just search it.
Well it's too late now as I am now a proud owner of a Touch Pro 2
I love this thing already. flashed it with a new rom, whats the best radio to use? i'm not too familiar with the whole radio flashing thing like as in like whats the best one to use, so if someone could point me in the right direction? if not ill just search it.
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Touch Pro 2 pros:
bigger screen (3.6 vs. 3.5)
higher resolution (480x400 vs. 480x320)
Iphone Pros:
about 4 mm thinner
I am tempted to go out and buy and iphone3gs but i have been waiting it seems like for so long for the touch pro 2. I need to wait for at&t to release the touch pro 2, which has no release date yet. I own a tilt, so i am tired of the tilt. and i have a friend that owns a iphone and another friend that has a iphone 3g. I think the touch pro 2 looks like a better whole package than the iphone 3gs. About the only think i see bad about the touch pro 2 is its quite a bit thicker and maybe the apps on it won't be as good as the ones available on iphone. What do you guys think? Which phone is better and why?
I've only just been reading up on both phones, so take what I say with a grain of salt:
The Iphone may be a better for multimedia playback, due to the inclusion of 3.5mm jack and notably good sound quality. Also, the casual game selection is fairly good. If you want more functionality/versality, definitely consider jailbreaking the iphone, otherwise it's not really comparable to the TP2. Check out ipodtouchfans.com, they cater to jailbroken iphones/itouches.
If you're looking for something to be truly productive on, particularly in a business environment (kind of reminds me of a mini-netbook), consider the TP2. If you want a multimedia PDA with great sound, consider the iphone. If you want a fair mix of both, the Samsung Omnia II (coming to Verizon, no hard keyboard) looks to have potential.
First of all I'm severly prejudiced towards the iPhone............ I hate the fact that Apple have to lock it down so much and the lack of sd slot and ability to customise.
In my view, an iPhone is an ipod with phone functionality, it is not a PDA and not a productivity tool.
I would never buy one
I am yet to be convinced by anyone as to the pros of owning an iPhone over a WinMo or Android PDA.
Appologies again for such a biast view.
Cheers,
Beasty
For users that just want a touch screen phone with a very slick interface with everything ready to go and nothing to tamper with to make it run at 110% then get the iPhone.
For those who want the option to fully hack and customise their device but are fully aware that Windows Mobile will never really be 100% user friendly and smooth running without tweaks and modifications then get a Windows Mobile device.
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First of all I'm severly prejudiced towards the iPhone............ I hate the fact that Apple have to lock it down so much and the lack of sd slot and ability to customise.
In my view, an iPhone is an ipod with phone functionality, it is not a PDA and not a productivity tool.
I would never buy one
I am yet to be convinced by anyone as to the pros of owning an iPhone over a WinMo or Android PDA.
Appologies again for such a biast view.
Cheers,
Beasty
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Totally Agreed.
TP2 is a business phone which target working people like me, hee hee. Iphone is more for entertainment. :>
radiowc said:
Totally Agreed.
TP2 is a business phone which target working people like me, hee hee. Iphone is more for entertainment. :>
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Indeed... iPhone is an ipod with phone funtionality, in the world of PDAs the iPhone is just a toy...
beast0898 said:
First of all I'm severly prejudiced towards the iPhone............ I hate the fact that Apple have to lock it down so much and the lack of sd slot and ability to customise.
In my view, an iPhone is an ipod with phone functionality, it is not a PDA and not a productivity tool.
I would never buy one
I am yet to be convinced by anyone as to the pros of owning an iPhone over a WinMo or Android PDA.
Appologies again for such a biast view.
Cheers,
Beasty
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I totaly agree!!! i think i wudnt be able to live without running a few programs at the same time n switchin between them...which the iPhone isnt capable to do... plus i like it when im in charge n i can customize my phone to the limit... while the IPhone is pretty limited on this...
soo i wud say go for the TP2 ...
my "unbiased" opinion
EazyDeazy said:
maybe the apps on it (TP2) won't be as good as the ones available on iphone...
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If you honestly think so then get one!!
iPhone is a toy.
TP2 is a tool with the flexibility to be a toy if you want it to be.
I must say I LOVE IPHONES for one reason and one reason only. They keep all the non tech savy people away from winmo Now to get more specific.
The iphone 3gs will probably be a lot faster than the TP2 but lets be realisitic here. Whats the point of super fast phone when u have no flexibility to do whatever u want with it. Its like me giving u a super computer and saying hey u can only play solitare. The iphone screen is smaller with a lower resolution. It has a ton of apps but still no where near what winmo has if u include all of the software out there. The iphone doesn't have a keyboard but has a nice software keyboard but personally i like to have the flexibility to use a hw keyboard or sw keyboard cause HTC's keyboard is quite nice. The one thing i have to give apple is they listen to what their customers want, within reason that is. Microsoft only responds to competition.
I have to say this one last piece. The simplier the device the less features it has. Its like the engineering creed.
" If it isn't broken then it doesn't have enough features yet"
I don't think anyone has the iphone 3g in their hands yet for evalution...
But, stay with the TP2 & this forum's support
beast0898 said:
First of all I'm severly prejudiced towards the iPhone............ I hate the fact that Apple have to lock it down so much and the lack of sd slot and ability to customise.
In my view, an iPhone is an ipod with phone functionality, it is not a PDA and not a productivity tool.
I would never buy one
I am yet to be convinced by anyone as to the pros of owning an iPhone over a WinMo or Android PDA.
Appologies again for such a biast view.
Cheers,
Beasty
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I am totally agree with your opinion here. I can't see iPhone as a pocket pc. For me Touch Pro 2 all the way!
First post, but I'd take the Touch Pro 2 over an iPhone. iPhone is basically a multimedia device. You could just go out anytime and buy an ipod touch for that, no? That 5 row keyboard just looks to damn good.
I'm really hoping the Touch Pro 2 comes to Telus and soon..
EazyDeazy said:
Touch Pro 2 pros:
bigger screen (3.6 vs. 3.5)
higher resolution (480x400 vs. 480x320)
Iphone Pros:
about 4 mm thinner
I am tempted to go out and buy and iphone3gs but i have been waiting it seems like for so long for the touch pro 2. I need to wait for at&t to release the touch pro 2, which has no release date yet. I own a tilt, so i am tired of the tilt. and i have a friend that owns a iphone and another friend that has a iphone 3g. I think the touch pro 2 looks like a better whole package than the iphone 3gs. About the only think i see bad about the touch pro 2 is its quite a bit thicker and maybe the apps on it won't be as good as the ones available on iphone. What do you guys think? Which phone is better and why?
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Enter an iphone store and ask which is better iphoney or TP2
What will be the result??
same case here mate....
beast0898 said:
First of all I'm severly prejudiced towards the iPhone............ I hate the fact that Apple have to lock it down so much and the lack of sd slot and ability to customise.
In my view, an iPhone is an ipod with phone functionality, it is not a PDA and not a productivity tool.
I would never buy one
I am yet to be convinced by anyone as to the pros of owning an iPhone over a WinMo or Android PDA.
Appologies again for such a biast view.
Cheers,
Beasty
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I secound that!
Aisorik said:
I've only just been reading up on both phones, so take what I say with a grain of salt:
The Iphone may be a better for multimedia playback, due to the inclusion of 3.5mm jack and notably good sound quality. Also, the casual game selection is fairly good. If you want more functionality/versality, definitely consider jailbreaking the iphone, otherwise it's not really comparable to the TP2. Check out ipodtouchfans.com, they cater to jailbroken iphones/itouches.
If you're looking for something to be truly productive on, particularly in a business environment (kind of reminds me of a mini-netbook), consider the TP2. If you want a multimedia PDA with great sound, consider the iphone. If you want a fair mix of both, the Samsung Omnia II (coming to Verizon, no hard keyboard) looks to have potential.
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The audio booster makes the sound quality unbelievable on my tilt with sennheiser headphones, so Im not sure how an iphone could be better, in fact it already sounds so amazing I dont think its even possible to notice if it gets better, but then again ive never really listened to an iphone with my headphones, so I just said that so that people don't think that wm phones have bad sound quality or anything, but then again without the audio booster it isnt all that amazing I have to admit, which doesn't mean its bad, its still pretty good its not like it sounds bad, it just doesn't amaze me lol
T3ku said:
I totaly agree!!! i think i wudnt be able to live without running a few programs at the same time n switchin between them...which the iPhone isnt capable to do... plus i like it when im in charge n i can customize my phone to the limit... while the IPhone is pretty limited on this...
soo i wud say go for the TP2 ...
my "unbiased" opinion
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I also toatlly secound that I will admit iphones are pretty nice, but they lack stuff too, like that for example, but personally I dont like iphones
Bxsteez said:
I must say I LOVE IPHONES for one reason and one reason only. They keep all the non tech savy people away from winmo Now to get more specific.
The iphone 3gs will probably be a lot faster than the TP2 but lets be realisitic here. Whats the point of super fast phone when u have no flexibility to do whatever u want with it. Its like me giving u a super computer and saying hey u can only play solitare. The iphone screen is smaller with a lower resolution. It has a ton of apps but still no where near what winmo has if u include all of the software out there. The iphone doesn't have a keyboard but has a nice software keyboard but personally i like to have the flexibility to use a hw keyboard or sw keyboard cause HTC's keyboard is quite nice. The one thing i have to give apple is they listen to what their customers want, within reason that is. Microsoft only responds to competition.
I have to say this one last piece. The simplier the device the less features it has. Its like the engineering creed.
" If it isn't broken then it doesn't have enough features yet"
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I secound that too by the way
This forum is specific to HTC so you aren't going to get a bunch of fanboy iphone stuff in here. I'll do my best.
I'm 95% ATT FUZE 5% iphone 2g 3.0 with 3GS use as of today.
iPhone 3GS PROS
Very easy to bedazzle
Near flawless performance, I never miss calls on the iphone due to too many apps open or performance slowdown. Part of the advantage of a closed hardware/software platform.
Improved screen still very bright, crisp and fabulous under the finger control
Landscape keyboard is great on the 3gs, I wouldn't doubt that you could type 90% as fast as on a hardware keyboard.
Capable of PLENTY of business activities, I am completely confused when people rip the iphone abilities to integrate into a person's worklife even a network. VPN, sync, Outlook sync, Gmail, Yahoo app, Quickbooks. I guess if you need to program in VB or do some SQL pounding on the train then the iphone is out, haha.
apps and app creation is an unheralded levels, more developers than on any other platform. Too many to even list and all are far superior to the windows mobile versions. Simply go compare the most recent Tiger Woods between the two platforms. WM is a joke.
games are incredibly good and highly supported
pdf, doc, excel, what the hell else is needed? There is an app for it probably too if it's not out of the box.
jailbreaking is pretty straightforward, as straightforward as dealing with hard spl and flashing new roms.
accessories, speaker setups, availability of fun new things all the time at major stores, in the airport, etc. Walk anywhere and find an accessory that fits and is meant for your exact model. Frick, vending machines even.
Operating System is fast, reliable and does as it is supposed to.
Locked operating system and hardware means better apps over time as developers are able to program for a specific device
iPhone 3GS Cons
The great grandmother next door may own one too, it may make you feel technically out of the high-end loop as she plays sudoku online with her 'girlfriends'
Non-removeable battery (not a problem for me, I have never changed the battery on an extended trip, etc, I don't travel far distances though)
No Expandable memory port (can't imagine that 16 gigs isn't enough)
No LED flashlight
No multitasking of apps (so limited but this will improve in the next releases)
I struggle everyday with owning a Fuze. I am a HTC (to a fault) fanboy so I won't own my own iPhone but when ANY family or friend asks about it, they get the two thumbs up, glowing review. It is too good, too easy amd frankly not that expensive.
Tresher already mentioned this, but this bares repeating:
- iPhone (any version) does NOT have simultaneous execution of 3rd party apps
You can't run a web browser, email, camera and banking at the same time.
Every time you 'switch' from a program, it closes.
This means that any programs (like a 3rd party web browser) that are session based, kill the session completely.
This is a total big no-no for a business phone, because it breaks your workflow.
Also, iPhone UI and the way screens behave is not really customizable at all. Again, this is about workflow customization. With WM phones you can - with hard work - make it work like you want, display what you want and operate as you want.
On iPhone you get what Apple gives you. End of story.
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Tresher already mentioned this, but this bares repeating:
- iPhone (any version) does NOT have simultaneous execution of 3rd party apps
You can't run a web browser, email, camera and banking at the same time.
Every time you 'switch' from a program, it closes.
This means that any programs (like a 3rd party web browser) that are session based, kill the session completely.
This is a total big no-no for a business phone, because it breaks your workflow.
Also, iPhone UI and the way screens behave is not really customizable at all. Again, this is about workflow customization. With WM phones you can - with hard work - make it work like you want, display what you want and operate as you want.
On iPhone you get what Apple gives you. End of story.
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And that's one reason why the Iphone is so fast and snappy. But I think it doesn't add up against the multitasking capabilities of Windows Mobile.
EazyDeazy said:
Touch Pro 2 pros:
bigger screen (3.6 vs. 3.5)
higher resolution (480x400 vs. 480x320)
Iphone Pros:
about 4 mm thinner
I am tempted to go out and buy and iphone3gs but i have been waiting it seems like for so long for the touch pro 2. I need to wait for at&t to release the touch pro 2, which has no release date yet. I own a tilt, so i am tired of the tilt. and i have a friend that owns a iphone and another friend that has a iphone 3g. I think the touch pro 2 looks like a better whole package than the iphone 3gs. About the only think i see bad about the touch pro 2 is its quite a bit thicker and maybe the apps on it won't be as good as the ones available on iphone. What do you guys think? Which phone is better and why?
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Here comes my 2 cents of this issue. That is my personal opinion!!!!
I believe the question should be WHAT I NEED rather then WHAT IS THE BEST.
One wouldn’t buy a Minivan if I wanted to race. But in country I wouldn’t buy race-car if I need to transport lot things.
I believe the good things exist in one OS (Iphone or WinMo) is the missing thing in other OS.
I do believe Iphone has many good futures and be frank Iphone has revolutionised the UI that we expect from a PDA/Phone.
Iphone has been build mainly for entertainment (music, video etc) which is the main target of Apple. Apple has taking the Ipod as basic skeleton and build around the PDA/Phone abilities.
In contraire is the WinMo which has been build mainly for PDA (computer) functionality. MS has taking the Windows CE platform then later add the phone/entertainment abilities.
Therefore Iphone will not have in near future the full computer functionality that WinMO has ANDDDDD the WinMo will not have full UI friendliness and entertainment abilities as the Iphone has.
Therefore if one has Windows Desktop and Work a lot with OUTLOOK, Contacts, APPOINTMETS, TASK, REMINDERs, Emails, Word, excel, then I WOULD SAY WinMO has big advantages...
Besides you can then spend weeks, days, hours, here to Flash better ROM’s , tweaks Registry, do this and that so that One might have a device that is few milliseconds faster.
My favoured is WinMO not because it is soooo good, NO!!! ACTUALY I HATE IT and hate myself to pay 700$ for such crap!!! But it is because my entire life is on MS outlook... I would be completely lost if I did not have the outlook information, word documents, my little databases on my hand device.
Beside I wouldn’t know what to do with my free time if I had to not visit every day to this forum, If couldn’t flash every 14 days new rom and If I could not get angry of Microsoft to build such crap and sit on it for many many years without major improvements.
Iphone!! I think it is a nice device just it doesn’t feed to my main Needs. But be frank I have been thinking to buy it as second device. FOR ME the main reason to dislike is the build in battery. I need at least 2 batteries a day :0(
EazyDeazy said:
Touch Pro 2 pros:
bigger screen (3.6 vs. 3.5)
higher resolution (480x400 vs. 480x320)
Iphone Pros:
about 4 mm thinner
I am tempted to go out and buy and iphone3gs but i have been waiting it seems like for so long for the touch pro 2. I need to wait for at&t to release the touch pro 2, which has no release date yet. I own a tilt, so i am tired of the tilt. and i have a friend that owns a iphone and another friend that has a iphone 3g. I think the touch pro 2 looks like a better whole package than the iphone 3gs. About the only think i see bad about the touch pro 2 is its quite a bit thicker and maybe the apps on it won't be as good as the ones available on iphone. What do you guys think? Which phone is better and why?
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Correction - Touch Pro 2 has 480 x 800 screen, not 480 x 400
Hi all.
I have finally zeroed down to the TP2 vs Omnia HD and would love some feedback on the two from people who either own both or have experience.
My typical phone usage in order of priority:
* Music Playback
I currently play music on my HTC Touch with some reg tweaking and Audio Booster. Music can go loud (when the train is deafening) and has a deep punchy bass through my Sennheisser CX500 headphones.
Compared to this, the Nokia 5800 I got from TMobile Netherlands was VERY quiet. I dont know what all the reviews about it being loud get it from. Probably non Euro versions. Anyways, I returned it. Same goes for all the ipods and iphones I have plugged in. Reason why not too keen on the iphone 3Gs.
Which of the two would have better music playback through headphones. I'm looking for high volume, stereo clarity and bass. Tp2 or Omnia HD?
* Pocketability
I'm looking for one phone that I can take with me everywhere, all the time. Omnia HD would fit fine in a jeans pocket no doubt. How big of a brick is the Tp2 in real. Would it be uncomfortable lugging it around going out for a night in town? I guess this would be a deal breaker.
Can I still dorn my skinny jeans?
* Screen
I have a huge load of films that I have never seen and never get to see. Would be fab if I can run through my collection in the train on my daily commute. Now I know Omnia HD has a GORGEOUS screen. The best Im thinking. Bright, pop out colors, big and clear.
How does the Tp2 screen rate in comparison to Omnia HD. I know one gets used to what one has, but would the Omnia HD have twice the better movie watching experience? say watch a whole DVD movie for hour and half at a stretch?
* Battery
For playing music two hours a day, watching maybe an hours video, throw in email retrieval every two hours which of the two would last longer.
* Keyboard
Now I aint much of a caller or texter. Most of my communication is done online with my social lot. The HTC Touch IM experience left a lot to be desired so I stopped using it.
So knowing the Tp2 has the best keyboard, if I dont have much use of it, it wouldnt figure in my equation.
Although having the whole screen visible while typing does earn some points.
Maybe once if I get the Tp2, and start using the keyboard, I'd be doing a lot more typing replying emails and finally getting the email down on the mobile? Cant say!
* Applications
Now by far, the iphone App store has the sexiest, coolest fun apps. For everything under the sun. Android I think will get there, probably needs another year to get enough momentum from the developer community. Someone please code an Android Core video player for one!.
Winmo while having fair share of business related apps, still lags much behind when it comes to the whacky items the iphone comes home with. Ok before this gets into an apple fanboy rant..
Is my belief true, that Symbian has the least interesting catalog of (free) apps, specially the Series 60 v5 touch UI? To think one wouldnt be able to install even the Nokia Beta lab apps onto the Samsung symbian!
(Ok not right off the bat, I did see Nokia maps running on the Omnia HD)
* 3.5 jack
Omnia would have the 3.5 jack. Tp2 I can plug in a cheapo 3.5 adapter. So no biggie.
Now thats my share of the rant for the month. Thanks for bearing with me. Would totally appreciate any thoughts on the above so please hit reply.
Thanks
PS: Although there be similar threads and I did search!, thought I could better get some insight from the above specifics in one place. Thanks again.
I can only give my opinion from my ownership of the TP2 for a week. Previous to this the last smartphone I owned was an SPV e200 with WM2003.
Music Playback:
Fantastic, has plenty of base but not too much - coupled with a good pair of headphones I see no reason for a regular user to need another mp3 player. The TP2 also has a very loud and clear speakerphone (obviously important for conference calling using their 'Straight Talk' technology. The interface for the music player is nice, and all skinned using TP3d.
'Pocketability':
The TP2 is thinner than the Omnia HD I believe, but it is farly fat. Although it is not as fat as I expected, and roughly the same size as the k850i I had. It will definately show through skinny jeans, depending on how skinning you go you will struggle with any phone! I personally don't find it a problem in my pocket.
Screen:
I think the OLED on the Samsung will trump the TP2 here, the TP2 screen is great: 480x800 resolution, but will not match the brightness and contrast of the OLED screen.
Battery:
Very impressed with the battery life of the TP2, it will easily last 2 days with moderate use (web 3h, music 1, texting 30min). This is set to probably improve as others have with the wm6.5 update - so possibly looking towards 3 days on average use.
Keyboard:
If you don't want it or won't use it then its extra fat in your pocket, but I can say that it is fantastic, I picked it up not using a phone keyboard before and could instantly use it. From what I have read there aren't many keyboards if any that will beat it.
Apps:
Quite a few for WM, and will increase with the Marketplace launch.
3.5 Jack:
Mini USB to 3.5 is required which is a slight pain, but doesn't really make much of a difference for me.
Is the Omnia 2 even released yet? I advise going to a vodaphone shop and trying the TP2 and Omnia 2 when they are out, I had incredibly high hopes for the TP2 and still it surpassed them when I got it.
by chance have you come across the HTC Hero, I think this might be more appropriate for you (the screen isn't quite the high resolution or size of the others, but still good).
Heya shure2,
Thanks for your opinion. Bang on too.
Btw :
'Pocketability': The TP2 is thinner than the Omnia HD I believe, but it is farly fat. You mean Tp2 is narrower and fatter? I thought the Omnia HD was nicely thin.
Guess for the moment the main contention for me is the fatty fatty boom formfactor of the Tp2. Otherwise Im all sold. Think I need to head out to the brick and mortars and try pocketing it there. I used to have a Nokia E61/71 and althought wide it wasnt so thick. Now been with the HTC Touch and its goes around great in skinnies. Ok enough about skinny jeans!
Screen: Like I said, if its still better than good on the Tp2 one gets used to what one has. Cant have everything now.
As for the battery, yes it is impressive getting three days for all that usage.
For the keyboard, like I said, I would start using it more and more once the phone takes over all email and messaging.
HTC Hero, well first thing its Android. Still would wait a year before trying out an Android phone. Second, the screen is smaller. I am targeting my next phone to be atleast 3.5' screen.
Well the Omnia 2 is listed as coming in two weeks at a webshop here in Amsterdam.
Interestingly, if I finally get the Tp2, Id have to pay 40 euro less than the Omnia HD on a 1 year contract. Though if the Touch HD didnt have those graphics issues, wouldnt that be the phone for moi!
Thanks again dude!
What about the Diamond 2?
If you're sold on the pro 2 except for it's fatness and not really looking for a hardware keyboard, why not broaden your horizon and check out the Diamond 2? Not much more left out but the speakerphone function, I think.
But isnt the Diamond2 with a 3.2" screen?..
I do want to watch vids on a big screen. Also reading a lot of the reviews hereon, people saying the Tp2 performs a lot better than the Diamond2.
sounds like you want the Touch HD to me check out the specs
Regards, Paul
as a proud owner of both the tp2 and samsung omnia HD this is my opinion:
samsung omnia HD:
i have unbranded it to remove orange uk identity. screen is huge and very vibrant. music playback is very impressive but sound in video playback is seriously muted. camera takes amazing shots in bright light but led light not good enough for night time photos. video capture is impressive - HD 1278x720 and looks amazing on your tele through tv out. the biggest let down is the audio quality on vid playback. choppy at best but new firmware due soon with new audio codec. battery life aint the best at all maybe 1.5 days on minimal use. multimedia wise this phone hammers the tp2 but alas thats the only department it wins on. thats why these 2 phones can quite happily live together!
HTC Touch Pro2
now this is where i get accused of being a fanboy but the phone is that good. screen is smaller but on par with omnia HD on res and vibrancy. both however don't perform very well when viewed in direct sunlight. there the tp2 fairs a tad better as the omnia HD screen is not visible at all in direct sunlight even if you cup your hand round screen. tp2 has got XDA as support and that in my book is the killer blow. tf3d actually works well and well manila is what it is. we all know what winmo does and the tp2 does all of it well and takes it to another level. i am getting 2.5 to 3 days of battery depending on use even from 96% chargeD) tp2 feels good ion the hand and looks too good to be a HTC branded device. seriously HTC have outdone themselves here. must say don't like winmo 6.1 on this device as i think winmo 6.5 will bring out the devil in this device.
conclusion:
for multimedia purposes you can use the samsung omnia HD as that what symbian is all about but for overall everyday performance with adequate multimedia functions its gotta be tp2! it all depends on what aspect of the device is more important to the buyer!
Well my opinion is that go for TP2 definetly!
One thing to add, appart from what all have said is that if you go for omnia you won´t have the great support from this site!
And that fact is a super plus at least form me!
The Omnia Pro hasn't be released yet has it? I don't think this question can even be answered until people get their hands on the device. From my experience Specs mean next to nothing its all about software optimization. Look at the TP and the TP2. They both have same processing speed and i believe the same amount of RAM but the TP2 is a hell of a lot faster.
Bxsteez said:
The Omnia Pro hasn't be released yet has it? I don't think this question can even be answered until people get their hands on the device. From my experience Specs mean next to nothing its all about software optimization. Look at the TP and the TP2. They both have same processing speed and i believe the same amount of RAM but the TP2 is a hell of a lot faster.
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he's talking bout omnia HD which is available. runs s60 5th edition software
aftab.syal said:
Heya shure2,
Thanks for your opinion. Bang on too.
Btw :
'Pocketability': The TP2 is thinner than the Omnia HD I believe, but it is farly fat. You mean Tp2 is narrower and fatter? I thought the Omnia HD was nicely thin.
Guess for the moment the main contention for me is the fatty fatty boom formfactor of the Tp2. Otherwise Im all sold. Think I need to head out to the brick and mortars and try pocketing it there. I used to have a Nokia E61/71 and althought wide it wasnt so thick. Now been with the HTC Touch and its goes around great in skinnies. Ok enough about skinny jeans!
Screen: Like I said, if its still better than good on the Tp2 one gets used to what one has. Cant have everything now.
As for the battery, yes it is impressive getting three days for all that usage.
For the keyboard, like I said, I would start using it more and more once the phone takes over all email and messaging.
HTC Hero, well first thing its Android. Still would wait a year before trying out an Android phone. Second, the screen is smaller. I am targeting my next phone to be atleast 3.5' screen.
Well the Omnia 2 is listed as coming in two weeks at a webshop here in Amsterdam.
Interestingly, if I finally get the Tp2, Id have to pay 40 euro less than the Omnia HD on a 1 year contract. Though if the Touch HD didnt have those graphics issues, wouldnt that be the phone for moi!
Thanks again dude!
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The TP2 is quite thin, but for some reason in this sentance I was refering to the HTC HD :S, not sure on the width of the omnia HD. Although TP2 is a bit fatty bom batty its quite slim width wise, which is better than being wide and skinny imo.
Something that is not always brought up in reviews of the TP2 is how frigin awersome the build and aesthetics are, it looks really expensive with chrome parts and sleek lines. I would be surprised if you put them both side by side and asked a mate with no phone knowledge to pick the best one and he picked the omnia hd - it just wouldn't happen imo. Again you can only experience this when you get it in hand.
I spent £453 on this sim free - crazy for a phone I know, but concidering its a PDA, mp3 player, video player, web browser, gps device, camera and lets not forget an awesome phone, I think its worth it.
Its only going to get better as well with wm6.5 support and hopefully some cooked roms on this awesome place.
Paul_2222 said:
sounds like you want the Touch HD to me check out the specs
Regards, Paul
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Yeah actually intrinsically it does sound like the HTC HD would be the device for me except that some issue with its 3D drivers not being there at all vs the Tp2 having much better performance vid playback wise.
I only know the above from what I've read on these forums. Somehow the Tp2 plays better video than the Touch HD. What is that all about?
orb3000 said:
Well my opinion is that go for TP2 definetly!
One thing to add, appart from what all have said is that if you go for omnia you won´t have the great support from this site!
And that fact is a super plus at least form me!
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You absolutely right!. There is no hacking knowledgebase for Symbian like there will be for the Tp2!. Very valid point you making there .. Super sooper plus indeed
shure2 said:
The TP2 is quite thin, but for some reason in this sentance I was refering to the HTC HD :S, not sure on the width of the omnia HD. Although TP2 is a bit fatty bom batty its quite slim width wise, which is better than being wide and skinny imo.
Something that is not always brought up in reviews of the TP2 is how frigin awersome the build and aesthetics are, it looks really expensive with chrome parts and sleek lines. I would be surprised if you put them both side by side and asked a mate with no phone knowledge to pick the best one and he picked the omnia hd - it just wouldn't happen imo. Again you can only experience this when you get it in hand.
I spent £453 on this sim free - crazy for a phone I know, but concidering its a PDA, mp3 player, video player, web browser, gps device, camera and lets not forget an awesome phone, I think its worth it.
Its only going to get better as well with wm6.5 support and hopefully some cooked roms on this awesome place.
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Hmm.. Guess I just need to check one out in real for making my mind up. Make that swiping my card and taking one home!. Good points you make, in that deal you getting a lot of bang for your buck, if it keeps you occupied 10 hours a day or sort.. . worth it it will be I'd say!
shingers5 said:
as a proud owner of both the tp2 and samsung omnia HD this is my opinion:
samsung omnia HD:
i have unbranded it to remove orange uk identity. screen is huge and very vibrant. music playback is very impressive but sound in video playback is seriously muted. camera takes amazing shots in bright light but led light not good enough for night time photos. video capture is impressive - HD 1278x720 and looks amazing on your tele through tv out. the biggest let down is the audio quality on vid playback. choppy at best but new firmware due soon with new audio codec. battery life aint the best at all maybe 1.5 days on minimal use. multimedia wise this phone hammers the tp2 but alas thats the only department it wins on. thats why these 2 phones can quite happily live together!
HTC Touch Pro2
now this is where i get accused of being a fanboy but the phone is that good. screen is smaller but on par with omnia HD on res and vibrancy. both however don't perform very well when viewed in direct sunlight. there the tp2 fairs a tad better as the omnia HD screen is not visible at all in direct sunlight even if you cup your hand round screen. tp2 has got XDA as support and that in my book is the killer blow. tf3d actually works well and well manila is what it is. we all know what winmo does and the tp2 does all of it well and takes it to another level. i am getting 2.5 to 3 days of battery depending on use even from 96% chargeD) tp2 feels good ion the hand and looks too good to be a HTC branded device. seriously HTC have outdone themselves here. must say don't like winmo 6.1 on this device as i think winmo 6.5 will bring out the devil in this device.
conclusion:
for multimedia purposes you can use the samsung omnia HD as that what symbian is all about but for overall everyday performance with adequate multimedia functions its gotta be tp2! it all depends on what aspect of the device is more important to the buyer!
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You sum it up so well when you say everyday performance with adequate multimedia functions. I guess the top multimedia performer would be the iphone, though I havent yet had one in the flesh to certify.
The one thing that niggles me about the Omnia Hd is the Symbian OS. Software support for it seems to be rather dead. Xept for the odd twitter or facebook clients. Dont know why that would be.
The battery issue is a real winner for the Tp2 then. Imagine going on a plane trip for 15 hours and still having a phone when you land in at your destination while watching vids and perusing ur music in lounges and at gates. Important aspect for me. I have not been using my phone for data and I want to change that with my next phone.
Tomorrow going out to the shops and trying out the Tp2 for real.
Just found out that Tmobile have launched their TMobile Vario 5, which is basically the TP2 with a 4GB memory card. Wonder if they branded anything in there. My contract needs another two weeks to renewal so I just have to wait, impatiently!....
I am totally sold the Tp2 is the way to go. And again, xda-developers being there would make sure that there be a lot of future firmware changes to keep it performing by leaps and bounds. !
Cant wait to get my hands on one. Thanks all you guys who contributed. Some very relevant pointers to help this confused worrisome.
Cheers!
shingers5 said:
he's talking bout omnia HD which is available. runs s60 5th edition software
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aftab.syal said:
You sum it up so well when you say everyday performance with adequate multimedia functions. I guess the top multimedia performer would be the iphone, though I havent yet had one in the flesh to certify.
The one thing that niggles me about the Omnia Hd is the Symbian OS. Software support for it seems to be rather dead. Xept for the odd twitter or facebook clients. Dont know why that would be.
The battery issue is a real winner for the Tp2 then. Imagine going on a plane trip for 15 hours and still having a phone when you land in at your destination while watching vids and perusing ur music in lounges and at gates. Important aspect for me. I have not been using my phone for data and I want to change that with my next phone.
Tomorrow going out to the shops and trying out the Tp2 for real.
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to be honest iphone 3g aint as you still restricted as to what you can use on there. no opera or flash or skyfire etc. UI and touch is amazing barr none the best out there. the others are catching up and tp2 is proof of that! iphone battery aint the best either mate and the current restrictions to one service provider means you need iphone devs ultrasn0w to free your iphone 3g up! iphone does what it does very well - the apps available are immense but limited to apple if ya get ma drift. everything runs through apple servers which is worrying to say the leaset! symbian os support is out there on sites like mobiles24 and mobilecastle........told you i was phone mad! these sites however are nothing like XDA so tp2 wins hands down!
ok I am thinking about getting a touch pro to to replace my recently dead wizard so I want to find out what everyone thinks about the TP2.
I notice it only has like a 500mhz cpu how does it do for multitasking?
on tmobile's 3g are you able to talk and surf at same time?
and overall how it your experiences with it in general?
sorry for the stupid question but none of the cell stores around here have a working display and I hate to pay that the tp2 runs and not be-able to stand it.
yonu said:
ok I am thinking about getting a touch pro to to replace my recently dead wizard so I want to find out what everyone thinks about the TP2.
I notice it only has like a 500mhz cpu how does it do for multitasking?
on tmobile's 3g are you able to talk and surf at same time?
and overall how it your experiences with it in general?
sorry for the stupid question but none of the cell stores around here have a working display and I hate to pay that the tp2 runs and not be-able to stand it.
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It does great on multi-tasking, that also depends on your rom though
No your not able to. Only at&t's network your able to talk and use the web browser at the same time.
My experiences are great, Other than the HD2 its one of the better WinMo fones out.
well that is good on the multitasking. well that really sucks on the 3g that was one of the reasons I was considering the tp2 over a unlocked expo(love the idea of a 1ghz cpu and 5mp cam) other than price was I figured i could talk and surf even on tmobiles 3g wasn't aware it was a carrier thing.
thanks again,
yonu
tarroyo said:
It does great on multi-tasking, that also depends on your rom though
No your not able to. Only at&t's network your able to talk and use the web browser at the same time.
My experiences are great, Other than the HD2 its one of the better WinMo fones out.
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yonu said:
well that is good on the multitasking. well that really sucks on the 3g that was one of the reasons I was considering the tp2 over a unlocked expo(love the idea of a 1ghz cpu and 5mp cam) other than price was I figured i could talk and surf even on tmobiles 3g wasn't aware it was a carrier thing.
thanks again,
yonu
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Ooooohboy do I have some good news for the both of you!
You most certainly can talk and surf 3G at the same time on t-mobile's network. Just to make sure I hadn't lost my marbles and completely missed something somewhere, I just went and tested it. I made a call, and while it was connected I opened Opera and surfed to this very thread.
yonu, I also come from a wizard (3 years), and as much as I miss it, I still find the TP2 a worthy upgrade...and I know there's others here who have similar stories and feel the same way. The TP2 is by no means perfect, but if you loved the wizard for the same reasons we did (mostly it's durability, versatility, and that awesome keyboard!), then the TP2 is the closest thing you'll find to that experience...only much faster and much much prettier...in the current gen of smartphones.
And, not only that, but I believe (and again others will likely back me up on this) that the stock WM 6.1 ROM that ships with the t-moble version of the TP2 is the smoothest, fastest, and most stable of all the stock roms out there, mostly due the fact that it's 6.1 and not 6.5, and it's not the later versions of sense either, all of which are known to negatively affect performance overall. T-mobile has already issued a stock upgrade to 6.5 which you can do, or you can get a custom ROM here to add that and later versions of TF3D/Sense along with many other elements. However, give the stock ROM a try first, use it to get comfortable with the phone and basic upgrades/tweaks, and see how you like it...I think you'll find you experience a lot fewer of the headaches and hassles you'll see people reporting with WM 6.5 roms.* One of the things that makes this 6.1 ROM so great, in my eyes, is that it does a wonderful job of handling multitasking...most of the ROMs are at least decent at it, but this one really shines
Now as far as maybe just waiting for the HD2...I gave the screen keyboards on this phone every chance to be an adequate full-time replacement for the hardware one, and while they are indeed very good, and more than capable, nothing replaces the tactile satisfaction that hard keys give when typing out more than 140 char at a time. So, if you liked the keyboard on the wizard, you'll like the screen ones on here, but still find yourself using the slide-out quite often. I also happen to believe that t-mobile has the best keyboard layout of all the models, although it's very simple to remap any of them at your whim.
Don't give up on the TP2, esp. the t-mobile one, I still love mine as much as the day I bought it, maybe more!
*Now, this is speaking strictly about stock ROMs, that's to say nothing about the many of the other wonderful ROMs available here, most of which are a considerable improvement over the stock 6.5 offerings
thanks for the info good to know about being able to browse and talk at same time and yes i considered waiting on the HD2 but i like having a hardware keyboard.
Thanks,
yonu
I will say the one thing i don't like about the TP2 is no led flash for the camera( comes in handy as a flashlight lol)
On the mention of camera- I miss ths LED light as a camera but now use the face of the screen as a mini flashlight.
What is a pleasant surprise is that the newer ROMs must have better camera apps because my TP2 takes very nice pictures and is pretty quick about it.
(I have 2 kids and this is actually a little nice feature on the go)
I used to have a TP1 and that thing was useless at taking pictures...
I can also verify that you can talk and surf at the same time on T-Mo's network. I love my T-Mo Touch Pro2! I don't use the camera excessively, so no LED flash isn't a major inconvenience. As far as TP2 vs. HD2 goes, I would tend to pick the TP2 because I'm the person who NEEDS a physical keyboard (and if you like physical keyboards, then there's none better than the TP2 ). I text and email a lot so it's a must for me. Of course HD2's Snapdragon gives it a performance upper-hand, but the TP2's 500-some mhz is sufficient for most people's multitasking needs.
I have had a generally good experience with the Touch Pro2. It very rarely got sluggish on its stock ROM, and it runs decently with heavier flashed ROMs. I highly doubt this phone will disappoint you if you get it.
Rhodium is the best hardware keyboard device to this date!!
You won´t find anything better in the market.
Go for it!
And don´t forget to vote
I would appreciate if anybody could give comparison between HD2 and Touch Pro2 because I am torn between the two models. I am now using Dopod 838pro (Tytn)
and want to upgrade coz my phone is "dying". Basically I like the HD2 for the speed and the screen but it don't have video call or macro mode. I like most of the spec in touch pro but it lack speed compare to HD2. So i guess someone who have used both of these models would know the pros and cons. Especially the speed of these two processor in real life. Any input would greatly appreciate
You should go for the HD2. The speeds of the TP2 is getting really anoying. And the fact that android is running very smooth on the HD2.
And there is the possiblity of a WP7 rom for the HD2 in the future.
The biggest decision you have to make is how much do you value a physical keyboard? If it's a big deal for you, then go for the Touch Pro2. If you don't care about a keyboard, then the HD2 is a far superior choice in terms of hardware as well as software development. HTC's website lists the specs of both machines. Keep in mind that the T-Mobile version of the HD2 has 1GB of internal storage as opposed to half of that on any other version of it.
my own opinion, go for TP2, it's qwerty hardware keyboard are valuable things to have, just like Your Hermes, it make different easy way related for daily working usage
Thanks for all the replies. My problem with HD2 is there is no secondary camera for video call. Then if I choose TP2, how bad is the speed, is it acceptable if compare to Hermes (Hermes is quite slow to me)?. Or is it just about the same?.
Well.... I think I have to choose TP2 for the secondary camera. If HD2 come with secondary camera that would be a dream. I have also look at other WinMo device such as Omnia Pro with the slide keyboard, secondary camera and 800MHz but not so good UI, and I like HTC more.
dx3me said:
Thanks for all the replies. My problem with HD2 is there is no secondary camera for video call. Then if I choose TP2, how bad is the speed, is it acceptable if compare to Hermes (Hermes is quite slow to me)?. Or is it just about the same?.
Well.... I think I have to choose TP2 for the secondary camera. If HD2 come with secondary camera that would be a dream. I have also look at other WinMo device such as Omnia Pro with the slide keyboard, secondary camera and 800MHz but not so good UI, and I like HTC more.
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If you are in the US, the second camera makes no difference as it will not work for video calling here. Video calls on the TP2 only work in Europe.
Ok dx3me, here's my personal opinion. I had previously purchased the Touch Pro2 because of its keyboard form factor as well as the front camera. I came from the Xda Exec/Htc Universal phone and this greatly influence my choise for the Tp2.
-->First complain edited since the TP2 can play smooth videos provided you know how to convert it with this tool--->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467112
Second complain is that the internet experience is not that great and after using a hd2, I really prefer its bigger screen as it delivers a new approach on how you can easily browse, email, chats and so on. Very stylish in the hands and its look is simply amazing - it will surely not go unnoticed by people around you due to its huge screen + "slim" size.
Third and last one is that some softwares are so damn slow to run on it and the lack of extra RAM suffers greatly.
So I am definitely planning to switch to a HTC HD2 in the coming weeks as compared to the TP2, the HD2 has specifications of a new generation phone where as the tp2 is very very far behind. Now that many phones are coming out equipped with a 1ghz proccessor, I bet that most people will follow the trend and get similar powerful phones unless keyboard is an absolute must or money is a key factor...My opinions only...
Okay, you want an opinion? I'm a person with both a Touch Pro 2 and a HD2.
Well first, I loved my TP2. I thought it was the best phone I've ever had. Loved the physical keyboard, it seemed to be running fast, and it can run Android on it, although not quite so well. The resistive touchscreen was very accurate, even though it could sometimes be one big pain in the arse. That's when the stylus came in.Pop it out, use it, pop it back in, simple. But then after a while, the darn thing felt so slow. Pages took a long time to load, no Flash support in browsers, my battery drained fast. One day I went to the T-Mobile store in my area. What do I see sitting in front of me? A live working HD2, hooked up to their security system. So I try it. So fast, I have to have it. So I h'whipped p) out $500 bucks from my pocket a few months later, and I had my HD2. It can run Android 2.2. It can run Flash videos perfectly. Hell, even Windows Mobile was fast. Then I thought, oh shucks, the keyboard. I flipped the phone into Landscape mode and that friggin keyboard is amazing. Now I have big hands - my fingertips are about as big as the keys on my keyboard. This keyboard won't make you miss your Touch Pro 2. Since then, my Touch Pro 2 has sat in a corner, neglected. I feel sorry for it from time to time and use it p), but then I go straight back to the HD2.
One disadvantage of the HD2 is the BATTERY LIFE. Heavy use - 4 hours (constantly on)
HD2...I really like the hard keyboard on my TP2, but it just doesn't have enough Ram, My older Samsung Epix ran better, the TP2 just sucks away ram, I end up soft resetting a couple times a day, just from text messaging or checking my calendar or weather, it's a pretty big disappointment in that area. Just think, the HD2 will have a processor about twice the speed of the TP2 and twice the ram, plus half a Gig to 1 Gig of internal storage, for pesky programs that won't go on the storage card. If you want specs just check out: http://www.htc.com/us/products/compare/104-65-61?view=1-3&sort=0
I think I know which one to get!!
Thank you everyone for the inputs.
Well, I'm changing my mind. I have tested a demo HD2 in the shop and like it. I think I have to get the HD2. I also can't consider any of the WP7 devices at the moment because I think I would not buy the WP7 devices until it become better devices. That could be a year or two. Well if I could not live without the video call (on HD2), I have to fix my Hermes a bit as a backup. So I can use the video call on my good old Hermes. Hopefully this could work. (The only bad thing is I have to carry my Hermes along if I intend to do a video call)
Hi Mate,
I Have both the Touch Pro 2 and HD2 and I would only recommend the HD2!! My personal opion is that I would not waste your money on the touch pro 2.
Col
Hmmm, I've been using the HD2 for 1week now and my previous excitement has a bit vanished for this phone. I used the phone a lot for business purposes (especially using emails and chat a lot) and the lack of a keyboard suffers GREATLY. Though the HD2 screen is large for typing, I ended up in making mistakes couple of times when typing fast and I was really frustrated having to constantly correct my mistakes. This is time consuming especially when I have a lot of emails to respond on the way, and often gets my nerves to the limit.
The touch screen though is very responsive but I feel that the TP2 resistive screen has a bit more precision. Speed wise, the HD2 blows the TP2 and it is definitely great to watch your pictures/movies on the large screen. Apart from the mutimedia use, I am going to stick back to my TP2 and return the HD2. Nothing feels better than a physical qwerty keyboard and...a resistive screen for selecting a specific word easily when typing (...my opinions only).
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Though the HD2 screen is large for typing, I ended up in making mistakes couple of times when typing fast and I was really frustrated having to constantly correct my mistakes. This is time consuming especially when I have a lot of emails to respond on the way, and often gets my nerves to the limit.
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I have big hands and I only make one error out of every hundred words.
Hi there,
I'm hoping to help you with my story: Using my father's old WM device (MDA Compact III) for about one year, in the beginning of this year I decided to go for something new. My most important requirement for the new device was a QWERTZ-keyboard (here in Germany). So, there wasn't much of a choice I had and after scanning through some device's reviews looking also at those without a QWERTZ to get to know the current standards (among them the HD2, "old" TouchPro, G1, BlackBerry 9700, Xperia X1 and some of the Samsung and LG devices) I bought the TouchPro2 as it seemed to me the best choice concerning specifications and my demands. And I was really happy about it! It was way faster than my former MDA, had much better graphics, loads of software to use and so on...
When time passed by, I started to pick up on some custom roms, as I wasn't satisfied with the speed (everyone know about the upgrading his personal requirements). Found the roms of NRGZ28 very good, stable and fast.
However, I was constantly getting more and more fed up with WM6(.5) and the phone as there are some constant (to me unknown) freezes and hangs. And as WM7 will not be seen on this device I decided to go for another change: I ordered the Desire Z, which is (finally) on its way, maybe arriving today.
My advice for you: take a look at Android or WM7. And try around with those keyboards and decide, if you *really* need a physical one. There is a whole bunch of good devices, that will be released with WM7 and Android.
Cheers!
OP got the HD2. There is no longer any reason to try to convince him of anything.
cajunflavoredbob said:
OP got the HD2. There is no longer any reason to try to convince him of anything.
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ah, too late... well then, have fun with the hd2
abprie said:
ah, too late... well then, have fun with the hd2
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Hmmm I would be curious to hear your opinions on both phones - may you share?
I'd vote for the HD2 because of it's specifications. Like it was said earlier the HD2 blows the TP2 out of the water. But also pointed out is the problem with WinMo 6.5. This stock ROM is a dinosaur in age and just doesn't hold a candle up to Android or WM7. I also was fed up with it on my HD2 so I made a complete change and switched my device over the Android via custom ROMs found on these forums. I've never been happier!
So the debate really is between Android and WM7. Considering the future I think getting android would be a better deal. It's going to explode in popularity due to Microsoft's and Apple's security lockdowns on their devices (they aren't very customizable, WM7 and the iPhone etc), and because of Android being open source.
So before I get going on a tangent , I'd recommend getting the HD2 if you like customizing your phone A LOT. It can be kind of a scary procedure. But if you're not up to that kind of stuff I'd recommend looking at HTC's Android phones. They're very stable and fun to use. The TP2 will become a very average phone in the next while with all the new and cool stuff coming out.
I've been using the HTC Touch Pro 2 since last April with T-Mobile. I've absolutely loved the functionality, including ability to customize the ROM(<3 Energy), simple to use web browsing, texting, email, wifi router, bluetooth ability, and many other features that come with the smart phones. I'd die right now during school/work/personal stuff without the calendar.
When I bought it last year, the HD2 was sitting next to it, and the reason I went with the HD2 was the hardware keyboard. Software keyboards annoy the heck out of me unless they're well done. I could type 5 times faster on my TP2 than an ipod touch. But, what is getting to me now after using the TP2 for 10 months?
- Camera: Quality isn't high enough compared to other shots I've seen taken by phones. I switch the lighting settings to tweak it, but it's still grainy. I as in a dark club the other night, and watched someone take pictures that were noticeably clearer than mine.
- Lack of 3.5mm Headset Adapter. I have to use the HTC USB -> 3.5mm adapter to listen with earbuds to music. Annoying.
Like I said, the hardware keyboard is almost necessity, but I could learn to deal with a software if it's not the kind that can be easily fat fingered.
That's all I can think of right now. Any help with the phone upgrade process would be greatly appreciated.
i think your first decision is probably are you going to stay with windows phone 7, android, iOS, or webOS.
Almost all of these software has some nice phones with physical keyboard. 3.5mm headphone jack (it's pretty much standard now with most high-end phones). If you want a good camera, go with the phone with led flash support then you probabaly will be fine.
PUTALE said:
i think your first decision is probably are you going to stay with windows phone 7, android, iOS, or webOS.
Almost all of these software has some nice phones with physical keyboard. 3.5mm headphone jack (it's pretty much standard now with most high-end phones). If you want a good camera, go with the phone with led flash support then you probabaly will be fine.
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I liked the TP2 after I got it because it was an operating environment I was used to and familiar with. I haven't used any other one, so I can't comment on it. What are examples of phones with hardware keyboards that have the same, if not better functionality than the TP2, including the things I listed of any OS? The HD2 and HD7 look enticing, but if there's something similar that might suit my needs better, I'm just looking for suggestions.
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I liked the TP2 after I got it because it was an operating environment I was used to and familiar with. I haven't used any other one, so I can't comment on it. What are examples of phones with hardware keyboards that have the same, if not better functionality than the TP2, including the things I listed of any OS? The HD2 and HD7 look enticing, but if there's something similar that might suit my needs better, I'm just looking for suggestions.
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If the keyboard is what you care about, then perhaps you should simply wait for the HTC 7 Pro to be available. It is basically the Touch Pro2 on steroids. It is the successor to the TP2 and runs WP7. There's a thread with a bunch of useful information HERE.
I'm in same boat as you, trying to figure which phone next. Still cannot decide and will give it another year, mainly because 3G networks are in a state of flux where I live (now still using EDGE). I will likely either go to Android if I can get the sync with MS Office to my liking or WM7 if the apps take off. No interest in other phones.
As for headphones on TP2, I have a nice bluetooth set by Jabra that does away with need for jack.
I was in the same boat as you a couple months ago when my contract ended with my provider. I had been looking at WP7 since the first whiff of it came out, but the more I read about it the more I disliked it. Long story short I greatly dislike all of these current operating systems for varying reasons.
So eventually I decided that the TP2 was as good as it was going to get for me for now, and bought up a couple extra of them. They're relatively cheap, and they all should last me until I cannot physically use them anymore (carrier doesnt support for some reason, or I can't find any good batteries, etc..) or until some company makes something desirable for me.
My advice is that you research at length all of your options before you end up with something you don't like using. It took me a lot of time playing around with android and WP7 before I decided I didn't want any of them. The TP2 is an excellent device and Windows Mobile is an excellent OS, don't let anyone fool you into thinking otherwise.
As far as your complaints, 3.2 MP is enough for me and my carrier's TP2 includes a headphone jack.. So I guess we're not in the same boat in those regards...
maybe an evo shift 4g?
http://www.htc.com/us/products/shift-sprint#overview
and i dont know where you live, but in europe we have an HTC Desire Z
Check out my review/comparison of the Desire Z (T-Mobile G2) to the Touch Pro 2:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=955526
A friend of mine works at T-Mobile, and can have any phone he wants (that T-Mobile carries). His weapon of choice is the G2.
redpoint73 said:
Check out my review/comparison of the Desire Z (T-Mobile G2) to the Touch Pro 2:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=955526
A friend of mine works at T-Mobile, and can have any phone he wants (that T-Mobile carries). His weapon of choice is the G2.
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I'm in a similar boat... I love the TP2 for it's design, had a Tilt before so this was a great upgrade. But there's nothing that's coming out from HTC that I've seen or heard of that looks like an upgrade. The 7 Pro is kind of an upgrade, but not the same kind of amazing upgrade like the Tilt to Tilt 2... I would like a slightly larger/better display but also keep the physical kb... I've been lookin at the Atrix (even tho they say you can't put custom roms on it yet), just cuz it sounds pretty sick but I keep hoping a phone w/ a kb comes out. Looks like Dell is gonna bring something out but not til the end of this year I think... I really hope HTC brings out a Tilt 3 w/ a 4-4.3in screen, better camera, runnin android since I don't really like WP7 & a dual processor...lol
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I'm in a similar boat... I love the TP2 for it's design, had a Tilt before so this was a great upgrade. But there's nothing that's coming out from HTC that I've seen or heard of that looks like an upgrade. The 7 Pro is kind of an upgrade, but not the same kind of amazing upgrade like the Tilt to Tilt 2... I would like a slightly larger/better display but also keep the physical kb... I've been lookin at the Atrix (even tho they say you can't put custom roms on it yet), just cuz it sounds pretty sick but I keep hoping a phone w/ a kb comes out. Looks like Dell is gonna bring something out but not til the end of this year I think... I really hope HTC brings out a Tilt 3 w/ a 4-4.3in screen, better camera, runnin android since I don't really like WP7 & a dual processor...lol
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The Atrix concept looks very cool, but I've been pretty underwhelmed by the recent Motorola handsets. They just feel cheap and clunky compared to HTC phones. But maybe they can step it up a notch. Similarly, the Dell Streak seemed like nothing special that just about every other manufacturer couldn't match or do better. And there were some things, like the proprietary dock connector, that were outright inexcusable. Again, they are going to need to kick it up a notch to get me remotely interested in their products.
I agree that a slightly larger screen (maybe around 3.9 or 4.0 in) would be really nice for watching video, and make the on-screen keyboard easier to use (for the times you don't feel the need to flip out the hardward keyboard). But I think a 4.3 in display with a hardware keyboard would result in a really big, thick, heavy phone.
But I have to say, the Desire Z is a pretty sick upgrade over the Tilt2. Maybe not in terms of form factor, but in terms of just about everything else.
I have no upgrades available for a long time so I'd be buying retail. The 7 pro looks quite interesting. Maybe I'll stop buy the T-Mobile store and see how the desire z feels. Is there much of a change over the TP2 to go to a Desire Z?
I've somewhat fixed the no 3.5mm jack issue by buying a bluetooth headset that supports a2dp. I guess that'll hold me over until later this year if I upgrade.
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I have no upgrades available for a long time so I'd be buying retail. The 7 pro looks quite interesting. Maybe I'll stop buy the T-Mobile store and see how the desire z feels. Is there much of a change over the TP2 to go to a Desire Z?
I've somewhat fixed the no 3.5mm jack issue by buying a bluetooth headset that supports a2dp. I guess that'll hold me over until later this year if I upgrade.
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The keyboard on the Desire Z is smaller than the Touch Pro2, but most people who own it say that it still feels very nice. I would miss my dedicated number row, though. I've gotten very used to it.
i have loved my touch pro 2 for the past year or so and all the devs, everyone at XDA made me love it even more. my girlfriend has an iphone and ill never ever trade my phone for iOS and theres not any other phone carried by ATT that is any better than the touch pro 2 i think..but then the Atrix came along. its a sad realization but you cant compare the specs of our touch pros to any of these new devices. sure im sacrificing the full qwerty kb we all know and love and moving on from winmo 6.5 (that ive grown with since 5.x) but i feel like its for the better. especially with all the wear and tear ive put my phone thru, sure is one hell of a trooper thats for sure, its time to set it down and ive made my decision. expecting my atrix to arrive this coming monday. so with this goodluck to all with whatever you decide!
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I'm also investigating new phones (although doing so would also require me to give up my sero plan, which seems unlikely at the moment).
For me on Sprint, there seems to be a few major choices that include a physical keyboard that I was looking at:
Android:
-HTC EVO Shift
-Samsung Epic 4G
WP7:
-[upcoming] HTC 7 Pro
The EVO shift has a similar sized screen to the TP2, while the Epic 4G goes a bit larger (4") and has a faster processor (1 Ghz vs. 800 Mhz on the Evo Shift). Nonetheless, I'm still pretty turned off by the touchwiz UI on the Epic 4g -- a bit to cartoony for my tastes.
Since the 7 pro is essentially the successor to the TP2, the dimensions are pretty similar albeit with an upgraded processor (1 Ghz).
I'm currently running XDAndroid on the TP2, so I have a sense of how android works, but I've never tried WP7 -- after classic WinMo I'm still kind of hesitant to go back to Microsoft.
To anyone who has been using WP7 -- any thoughts on the disadvantages/advantages over android?
I guess the most obvious phone would be the HTC 7 pro closely followed by the Desire Z.
Personally i decided to keep my TP2 after 2 years (i can pick a new phone @ my provider in june). The phone does everything i want.
The only program i miss on Windows Mobile is WhatsApp/pingchat
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I guess the most obvious phone would be the HTC 7 pro closely followed by the Desire Z.
Personally i decided to keep my TP2 after 2 years (i can pick a new phone @ my provider in june). The phone does everything i want.
The only program i miss on Windows Mobile is WhatsApp/pingchat
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I get the Desire Z. I went to T-Mobile hoping to find one to even hold and play with, but didn't see one. I'm just really hung up on the hardware keyboard when considering an HD7. The hardware keyboard makes me want to pump out paragraphs of forum posts on the phone. The software keyboard makes me hate texting.
Same thougths here, and same conclusions, just like some people wrote: I tried some phones, but the only possible choice would be the Desire Z (7 Pro w/o card slot is a NO GO!). I ended up buying an new display to replace the cracked one in my TP2 (via ebay, from HK), saving LOTS of money, and still having the device I like and am used to.
Someone wrote about TP2 being cheap(er) now, where do you get them and at which price? They're still above 50% of the price at introduction around here in Germany. If they were cheaper, I'd buy one as spare, too.
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Same thougths here, and same conclusions, just like some people wrote: I tried some phones, but the only possible choice would be the Desire Z (7 Pro w/o card slot is a NO GO!). I ended up buying an new display to replace the cracked one in my TP2 (via ebay, from HK), saving LOTS of money, and still having the device I like and am used to.
Someone wrote about TP2 being cheap(er) now, where do you get them and at which price? They're still above 50% of the price at introduction around here in Germany. If they were cheaper, I'd buy one as spare, too.
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They go for cheap in the Marketplace forum here in XDA every now and then. There's also eBay. I've seen them as low as $120 recently.
That's an incredible price! They're still well over 250€ new on Ebay, almost 400€ in the cheapest onlineshop I found in Germany! WOW.
I will vote for HTC 7 pro, as you've been used to using a keyboard, it's hard to go back to the on-screen one, and BTW HTC 7 Pro is really amazing