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Hello,
I am still having hard time deciding which one to get, being still a TyTN/Hermes user I have no problem with the small screen so the screen size is not a factor in deciding. I kinda tried the TP and I couldn't get used to the keyboard feeling (oh well I have only played with it for 20 minutes).
Are there any TP users that upgraded to TP2?
What made you upgrade and what do you think about both phones.
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Hello,
I am still having hard time deciding which one to get, being still a TyTN/Hermes user I have no problem with the small screen so the screen size is not a factor in deciding. I kinda tried the TP and I couldn't get used to the keyboard feeling (oh well I have only played with it for 20 minutes).
Are there any TP users that upgraded to TP2?
What made you upgrade and what do you think about both phones.
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I gaurantee you that the Touch Pro2 has a better keyboard than the predecessor. Besides the only downgrade from the first Touch Pro is that the Touch Pro2 lacks flash led for the camera.
...and tp2 hase 20 MB of ROM less than the TP - but bigger screen
Ugh oh the ram, are we talking about the physical ram chip?
Or are we talking about the rom that ships with hit?
if its the rom eventually better roms will be out there wont there?
I bought a TP2 one month ago. Coming from a Hermes
At the begining I prefered my hermes keyboard... Now after a month I tried back my Hermes... and definitely the TP2 keyboars is much better
Anyway I love the TP2, you wont regret it
TP2 the best phone ever.
Came from a Kaiser and very happy with it. The only problem I have is batt life, but it seems not related to the phone itself, but with the operator. I still don´t know the reason, but when I use Vivo my batt lasts 50 to 60% less (half a day sometimes). If I use another operator, batt lasts up to 2 days.
Already tested with Tim, Claro and Oi. Great batt life with all of them, except Vivo.
So the TP2 has less physical ram? which is hardware related?
Also is it true that the US units dont do EU/ASIA 3G and vice-versa?
So its not a Quadband world phone
I had (still have) a tytn/hermes. I wen't to the TP2. It's soo much better. Maybe you don't catre about the screen size, but you will care about the resolution. The agenda is much better to use for example because more text is visible.
The phone is really fast. My colluege HAD the touch pro. The problem was the short lived battery, (would make is just 24 hours), it got stuck many times, was slow, and just wasn't convinient to use. At least she sais. (she had a lot more trouble then that). So now she switched to a simple nokia phone.
The fun part is, when I told het I would buy the second version of the TP, the TP2. She laughed a bit and said I would be sorry. Now, she is jealouse :'D.
There is a big diffrence between the phones. The feel, the experience, how convinient it is.
On the hermes it's irritating to read emails, or documents that are longer then a few lines. Now I have the TP2 and I love it. Also internet has become much much faster. This is probably because of the processing power.
One thing I was afraid of was the lack of buttons. No jogwheel, of Dpad. Hermes had both.
I honestly have to say, I had to get used to it. But after one day, I was using the TP2 easier then my hermes. Also, the TP2 seems to weigh less and is nicer to hold while making a phone call.
Frankly the tilt is nice to have, but I would have bought it if it wouldn't have the tilt. Is just really good.
I'm not saying you should buy it, but for the record, if I had to choose between a TP and my hermes. I would choose my hermes. That's what I think from the TP. But only held it for an hour or so. The TP2 is actually a lot better
TP2 better keyboard layout and feel, miss the d-pad of TP thou....
My only concern is the 3G
I travel a lot between europe and USA; I have simcards for a few countries that all support 3G.
But from what I heard the phone does not do EU 3G if its a US and vice versa any comments on that?
That´s correct
I also travel a lot México-Europe and my Universal works great on Europe 3G but not in México (Same bands as in USA)
I think it will be the same with TP2 unfortunately
I´ll upgrade to European version soon!!
ugh oh that is so lame...
Like come on even the stupid Nokia phones do world 3G
So i'm thinking about getting a new phone, and i've been following the touch pro 2 for awhile since it was announced, and it's always caught my interest. Right now i'd be paying 350 since i'm under tmobile, i'm just wondering from peoples opinions is it worth it?
can someone layout the pros and the cons on the phone for me? thanks.
Welcome to forums
Of course it´s worth every cent!
Redundant if we post here pros and cons
Better read and search!!
Good luck,
I paid $688.88 for my unlocked/unbranded version a couple months back and I have no regrets.
Paid $525 and I can't put it down! Worth every cent and thank god I made the switch and left the Blackberry world. I will not lie, I did hesitate to leave my Blackberry 8900 even after tracking the TP2 for like a month. Blackberry has nothing on HTC TP2.
I guess imma just shut up and get it haha. sorry for not using the search function. just got really curious
Pros:
the lovely, lovely physical keyboard - I just can't tell you how useful this is;
large, bright, high-res screen (3.6", 800x480);
excellent support from this website;
very good call quality (so long as you don't get the T-mobile version);
some very neat business-oriented features (e.g. if you put the phone down face-down in mid conversation it automatically switches to speaker-phone);
noise-cancelling so other people can hear you clearly over traffic;
TouchFLO interface is quite nice;
running Windows Mobile means a huge range of downloadable apps;
built-in Word, Excel and Powerpoint support.
Cons:
not everyone likes Windows Mobile, and you find yourself dumped into it more often than you'd expect - this also limits you to 16-bit colour;
HTC and Qualcomm between them have somehow managed to arrange things so that 3rd party apps cannot make use of the GPU, which makes video playback decidedly iffy;
larger and much heavier than most phones (that's the price of the keyboard);
uses much the same hardware as phones released a year ago (much less powerful than an iPhone 3GS or even the latest Samsung models);
thoroughly mediocre camera with no flash;
no one version of the phone will work everywhere in the world (as far as I know);
most versions lack a 3.5mm headphone jack, so if you want to use anything other than the bundled headphones you need an adapter, and unless you have a very fancy adapter you can't listen to music on it and charge it at the same time;
unimpressive battery life;
resistive touch-screen is better than most, but less responsive than a capacitive screen and cannot ever support multi-touch (although a capacitive screen wouldn't allow you to use a stylus, so there are swings and roundabouts);
lack of on-board storage.
paid $900 for mine on ebay before official launch - been with it on safaris in Africa , paddled and plotted my course on lower Zambezi with hippos.... It's worth every cent.
AlCapone said:
paid $900 for mine on ebay before official launch - been with it on safaris in Africa , paddled and plotted my course on lower Zambezi with hippos.... It's worth every cent.
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wouldn't go that far but it is a great phone.
Saying that, like with every device I'd think seriously about what you want your phone to do.
I wanted a web browsing, business phone communicator. Its close to perfect.
If you're looking for a slim camera music player etc.? Stay well away.
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resistive touch-screen is better than most, but less responsive than a capacitive screen and cannot ever support multi-touch (although a capacitive screen wouldn't allow you to use a stylus, so there are swings and roundabouts)
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Never say never
Especially the second one is a software only solution, since the Nokia 5800 also has a resistive touch screen.
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/9051_Multi-touch_on_resistive_touch.php
http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2009/03/03/nokia-5800-gets-experimental-multitouch/
ryohazuki said:
So i'm thinking about getting a new phone, and i've been following the touch pro 2 for awhile since it was announced, and it's always caught my interest. Right now i'd be paying 350 since i'm under tmobile, i'm just wondering from peoples opinions is it worth it?
can someone layout the pros and the cons on the phone for me? thanks.
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I moved to this phone from a G1 (and an iPhone before that) on tmobile, and IMHO this is the best phone available with tmobile 3G right now. Fast, stable, and with WM you have tons of options for customizing/personalizing your handset. So far (had it about a week) i really see no cons with this device, if anything it'd be its size, but its not a complaint by me, its the same size as a G1.
Shasarak said:
Pros:
the lovely, lovely physical keyboard - I just can't tell you how useful this is;
large, bright, high-res screen (3.6", 800x480);
excellent support from this website;
very good call quality (so long as you don't get the T-mobile version);
some very neat business-oriented features (e.g. if you put the phone down face-down in mid conversation it automatically switches to speaker-phone);
noise-cancelling so other people can hear you clearly over traffic;
TouchFLO interface is quite nice;
running Windows Mobile means a huge range of downloadable apps;
built-in Word, Excel and Powerpoint support.
Cons:
not everyone likes Windows Mobile, and you find yourself dumped into it more often than you'd expect - this also limits you to 16-bit colour;
HTC and Qualcomm between them have somehow managed to arrange things so that 3rd party apps cannot make use of the GPU, which makes video playback decidedly iffy;
larger and much heavier than most phones (that's the price of the keyboard);
uses much the same hardware as phones released a year ago (much less powerful than an iPhone 3GS or even the latest Samsung models);
thoroughly mediocre camera with no flash;
no one version of the phone will work everywhere in the world (as far as I know);
most versions lack a 3.5mm headphone jack, so if you want to use anything other than the bundled headphones you need an adapter, and unless you have a very fancy adapter you can't listen to music on it and charge it at the same time;
unimpressive battery life;
resistive touch-screen is better than most, but less responsive than a capacitive screen and cannot ever support multi-touch (although a capacitive screen wouldn't allow you to use a stylus, so there are swings and roundabouts);
lack of on-board storage.
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dunno if this is considered reviving a dead thread or anything thats my own but
the size isn't a problem for me, i've owned a windows mobile phone before and liked it but whats wrong with the tmobile version? and is the battery life really that bad?
I'm pleased with mine. Basically I had an MDA for almost 3 and a half years, with a short try of a Wing. Great winmobile phone, haven't had too much battery problems, phone quality seems ok, better than the MDA.
And the phone senses when it's close to your ear--no more false button pushes!
Cheers,
Tom
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but whats wrong with the tmobile version? and is the battery life really that bad?
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The t-mobile version is rather oddly configured. Most of what's wrong with it can be corrected (all in one hit if you don't mind flashing it with a different ROM) but it's a little fiddly. For example, the in-call volume seems to be lower on the t-mobile version - people complain that the sound is too quiet and "muffled". I believe this can be fixed by replacing a file with the equivalent from an unbranded phone, but it's still a fiddle if you expect things to work properly out of the box. I think the t-mobile version may also be set up to use Internet Explorer rather than Opera as the default browser. Again, it's not difficult to change this, it's just annoying.
The battery life is okay, but not great. If you're watching video clips or gaming you can completely drain a fully-charged battery in 3-4 hours.
Btw, one important draw-back that I forgot to mention is the lack of a D-pad - that's a real problem if you're a gamer.
General concensus for veteran WM users i found here is that almost all quite satisfied with TP2 out of the box, since these persons are coming from previous devices and know-well that TP2 is the 1st time HTC (almost) do it perfectly. In condition they didn't receive defect unit.
For new WM users, i see 50-50. But that's improvement, because with previous devices it can be as much as 20-80 (80% unsatisfied), with 20% are looking for ways to improve their devices. That's why now we have this great forum
i have the original EU version of this device and i must say that this is the best phone i used ever , and believe me i switch mobiles like socks ...
the most important thing for me is the stability of the OS , in my case i havnt done any soft reset since i got this device three weeks ago ( depens on your ROM version ect...)
another good thing is the speaker phone , try to compare it to the iphone 3gs and you will notice a big diffrence,
schizo said:
General concensus for veteran WM users i found here is that almost all quite satisfied with TP2 out of the box, since these persons are coming from previous devices and know-well that TP2 is the 1st time HTC (almost) do it perfectly. In condition they didn't receive defect unit.
For new WM users, i see 50-50. But that's improvement, because with previous devices it can be as much as 20-80 (80% unsatisfied), with 20% are looking for ways to improve their devices. That's why now we have this great forum
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I would consider myself a wm vet, this is my 4rth wm phone and the TP2 if I purchase it will be my 5th. I can hardly run my TP at times because it is so slow. I have everything on my class 6 sd and some apps on my phone which is minimal. I am running nrg rom latest and I must say it is slow as balls.
I might even skip the tp2 because it shares the same chipset for att as the tp. Making it slow as balls but with a much larger screen. My favorite warez website just opened an Iphone section. all apps available, Gui much better, mms hacked, better graphics, shes lookin alot better these days. The tp2 just aint cuttin it as far as performance. I might just make the switch until HTC and winmo get there act together. Truely sad as I've been an iphone and apple hater for quite sometime. The truth is the tp2 lacks everything except the screen and keyboard. Winmo and htc are pushing me out with these piece of **** phones.
eh I might still get the tp2. I am seriously looking for reasons not to get the Icrap. Flame on aholes..
Well I've had the T-mobile version for about a month now and I have to say its pure Winsuace!!! Now as for the same chip set as the touch pro , that's not exactly ture. If you look around on the fourms, some one posted a link about where there was a dispute between Qulacom and another chipmaker about the cpu. So because of that the Touch Pros cpu contained some work arounds so it could be used and that made it slower. On the TP2 it contains no workarounds and its pretty snappy! Also I run a bunch of apps at once and it doesn't bog down So here's my two thumbs up!!!
i really dont see nothing wrong wit the tmo version of this phone.. besides the lack of 3.5mm jack and color change from the Euro version..
But the stock rom that comes with the phone is a bit off.. i had to flash it the first day i got it
but i wouldn't mind taking a euro version over the tmo one anyday.. one major reason that stop me from gettng the euro one is that it do not have 3G US bands on it.
Well it's too late now as I am now a proud owner of a Touch Pro 2
I love this thing already. flashed it with a new rom, whats the best radio to use? i'm not too familiar with the whole radio flashing thing like as in like whats the best one to use, so if someone could point me in the right direction? if not ill just search it.
Well it's too late now as I am now a proud owner of a Touch Pro 2
I love this thing already. flashed it with a new rom, whats the best radio to use? i'm not too familiar with the whole radio flashing thing like as in like whats the best one to use, so if someone could point me in the right direction? if not ill just search it.
Hello
I am satisfied with my HTC Touch 2 Pro ... when it actually works.
I have flashed "energy rom manila 2.1"
Unfortunately manila is very laggy interface I need to reset it at least twice a day.
I need my phone to be snappy and I thinking about switching to iphone.
Is it wort it ? I never had an iphone and I am wondering if GUI is faster.
I use HTC mostly to organize my day using microsoft outlook.
Dont do it !!!
MY Roommate has an iphone 3g. she is always asking to use my touch pro to connect her laptop to my phone to get internet. Internet sharing on the iphone does not work unless you jailbreak it.
other things you can not do is draw on the cap. touch screen. there is no hardware keyboard and because of that every message I got from an iphone user made them seem like they are 5 years old. there are lots of things iphone users complain about, not just my roommate. I just dont have the time to get into it.
Main thing you need is Outlook integration, right? so why deal with Apple products? there is a better outlook in the WinMo phones than on a desktop!
Apple lets the carriers (Att) call the shots about what is possible with the dinky little iphone. Microsoft lets us call the shots when we have to raise our fingers at those who limit us. They just dont tell us how to, but make it pretty easy.
You get an iphone, you will regret it.
Just find a decent stable rom.
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Just think of apple as the forbiden fruit... 'cause just about everything you try to do on it is forbiden. :|
Try one one of the cell pro roms. They are really stable and manilla is quite snappy on them.
I found the NRG roms pretty to look at but a little too buggy to use day to day.
I've been using NRG's roms for a long time and prefer the 21*** based 2.1 roms and they've been stable and snappy.
As for the iPhone, go ahead and try it out and see what you think. I have a buddy of mine that switched from windows mobile to iPhone and loves it! He was sick of flashing roms and doing reg edits and such. He wanted something low maintenance.
As for me, i've had the originial iPhone and the 3G, i couldn't use either one for more than 2 weeks. They've got a bunch of apps, but 90% of them are useless, windows mobile is much more productive.
The user interface is awesome, and its a great phone for people that want something really simple. As for me, i prefer something advanced, like windows mobile
Don´t trade it!
Rhodium is a great device!!
Rhodium: business and more serious and complete device
iphone: a fun device for listening music, download 100000000000000000000000 of almost all useless apps.. oh and by the way you can make calls....
Don't do it ......
The iPhone is losing it's luster ............
To be honest with you, we can have a fanboy war all day. Also this question has been asked many times.
IMHO It comes down to personal preference.
I had a Tytn II (ATT Tilt) for 1.5 years and then got an iPhone. Have had the iPhone for about a year. Jailbroke it so I could actually do some things with it but it is still limiting. Now I want to go back to WinMo and the TP2. So, you tell me which is best?
I have both, and i'd never go iPhone only,
the iPhone is great for reading emails and browsing the internet
the TP2 is much better for messages, calls, internet sharing, and useful software, like FFT's or playing back video formats i actually use.
I can spend all day dicking around on the TP2 and still have enough battery to make calls, i put my iPhone through the same punishment and it lasts less than 8 hours.
plus every man and his dog has an iphone, and when you pull yours out, its like an open invitation for people to come up to you and compare "apps"
on apps: WOOO OVER 90,000 APPS! most of them are fart sound generators. there are 3 useful apps, and they all cost over $50.
i have had tons of smart phones and the tp2 was the only windows mobile phone i could stand after having all palm treo's. unfortunately, the phone is laggy and slow, and the iphone is so much better at switching between programs. i disagree that the apps are not useful, i have found the apps to be the main reason i want to switch. safari, yelp, facebook, etc. all the internet based apps are better written, and integrate more seamlessly with the phone. if sprint wasn't giving me such a good deal, and i mean really amazing plan, i would have switched to the iphone a long time ago. once the next gen iphone comes out (june 2010) i will get one in addition to my tp2 which i use for tethering. as for the jailbreak excuse, yes, some of the apps do require jailbreaking but i hardly see the difference between jailbreaking and installing a new rom.
the only issue, and it's a big one, is the lack of a physical keyboard. you get used to it, but still i can see it being an issue with as many text messages as i send.
I do not have iphone but have teh ipod touch which is virtually iphone without the phone feature. The strength of iphone is often the interface and the tight integration. It should be expected because the phone interface does not sits on top of the WinMo. I guess if you want a faster response, disable the touchflo.
Another strength of iphone would be finger frindly. WinMo still needs to catch up and hopefully it will on WinMo 7 (and hopefully TP2 will have it, pray on HTC to support it)>
Another strength of iPhone would be the web browser in my opnion. Nothing on the mobile platform comes as close as the safari.
I guess for more feature rich and more customization, winmo phones are great and tp2 is prob the best (with the exception of HTC Leo). The con of the TP would probably be the size and weight.
If you need more speed and stability, energy ROMs may not be for you. Lot's of extras and eye candy are put in. They are fast enough for me, but maybe you should look at a more simplistic ROM. I have a CDMA device so I can't recommend one for you but I'm sure there are plenty out there. If you rely on the outlook features heavily, Iphone is definitely not for you. It is a media phone, not a PDA.
iPhone or TP2
I never had an iPhone--I never wanted one--but I had my TyTN/8525 for just a few months short of 3 years; at that point, the battery couldn't hold a charge and that made it untenable while out on contract projects. I recently upgraded to a TP2 and am absolutely happy with it. The only problem I've had (installed an application that, after rebooting, wouldn't even load Windows. I fixed that and haven't had a problem since.
Both platforms have some apps that aren't worth wasting any bandwidth on as well as some apps that are worth their weight in gold. Both have download services for applications, and I know the Windows Marketplace and CAB4Express are lacking. Still, I've patched my otherwise stock Tilt 2 to improve the network throughput, removed the extra software that AT&T installed and installed other WM65-compatible software. it's a great business platform; rumors of its demise are overexaggerated and, to the contrary, it's not dead yet.
If you are tired of the typical Manila style. Try SPB SHELL. It's kind of like the Android interface and it's pretty zippy. It might give your device some freshness. It consumes less CPU juice then manila so give it a try. Download it from the website and give it a try.
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If you are tired of the typical Manila style. Try SPB SHELL. It's kind of like the Android interface and it's pretty zippy. It might give your device some freshness. It consumes less CPU juice then manila so give it a try. Download it from the website and give it a try.
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That looks pretty tight, i'm gonna try it out ........
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That looks pretty tight, i'm gonna try it out ........
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For optimal settings:
• Start>Settings>Home>Items.....here uncheck everything and reset your phone
Hi, my iPhone 3g just broke and I was looking to get a new phone. Im a former Windows Mobile 5 user (mda, eten m700, and tilt). I am also a former G1 user. I always liked windows mobile before becasue all of the nicer devices ran it, but i always felt it was very slow and sluggish. I find the apple appstore is great and I use alot of the programs daily and they all are very smooth and fast. Have they improved windows mobile since the mda days. Will the tp2 be as fast an an iphone.
Is there a VNC program to control my desktop over edge, 3g, or wifi?
How good is the facebook app?
Hows the battery life?
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oh and by the way you can make calls....
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Hahaha, this made my day. My roommate has one, and his phone drops calls CONSTANTLY. I'm being serious, like at least 4-5 times a day.
One point people have overlooked (unless I missed it wihile skimming)... is how customizable WinMo/TP2 is. You can modify your icons, enable disable features with simple RegEdits and make it look how you want
iPhone is well... still looks like an iPhone, unless you want to get into deep programming.
okay, i got my TP2 yesterday. I have got to say. I am loving this phone. I was a WinMo hater as well because of the fact it's sluggish and poor touchscreen interface. However, I think HTC made an excellent device. The screen is just great and vibratn. I think it's even better than iphone (can't confirm). the thing actually is much faster than I expected and I think it's not as slow as people cliam it to be. Even without the hacked ROM, it's fast enough.
The couple of complaints I have with the phone is the poor internet performance (it's going to e it's achille's hill for a long time unless MS get their act together). The weight is definitely not as good, it's a tad too heavy and thick to my liking but it's tolerable.
I absolutely love the keyboard, it's so much easier to work with it.
If you want a lighter phone, I think the HTC pure is an excellent alternative.
So, I'm looking at getting a new smartphone through my work. Unfortunately I'm locked with Verizon, which is usually a slow adopter of new phones AND my work is a slow adopter of new Verizon phones, so I'm sorta double-whammied. My current phone is dying, so I need to upgrade now and seeing as it would likely be a year at the earliest before any Windows7 phones would be available for me I'm looking at upgrading now.
The TP2 is one device that I can get. I'm very familiar with Windows Mobile 6.1, so this has an appeal. But I have some questions.
Does anyone know if the GPS is "unlocked" out of the box? I'd like to use some GPS programs other than VZNavigator and I'm wondering if I need to install a custom ROM first.
Will a new TP2 device now be installed with 6.5 or will I need to upgrade? Can someone give me a quickie run down of 6.5 vs. 6.1?
How's the Battery life of the TP2? I'm a heavy power user so I want to make sure I can get through a day without charging.
Lastly, I _might_ be able to get a Droid. I've never used Android before, but I have to say that I'm tempted. Anyone have an opinion? Is the Droid a lot better? Is it worth trying to push for the Droid?
aGPS works out of the box, you need to make sure to use the Quick GPS tool to update the satellite though. There are some free navigation programs but I've heard they sometimes do not choose the most logical route. Garmin, Tom Tom, and other paid GPS programs should work as well.
The new VZW phone comes with 6.5 as far as I have seen lately. One ordered off their website in early April came with 6.5. Here is a post with everything you'll need to know about all windows 6 versions, 6.1 vs 6.5 will be down towards the bottom more: http://www.modaco.com/content/i9x0-...m/299717/com-branches-explained/#entry1153714
The phone can make it through a full day of usage in most scenarios. I would say unless you talk 3+ hours and run GPS, 3g/wifi, and multiple programs ALL day you should be fine. If not there are extended batteries you can purchase (although the phone is already big enough as it is).
In my opinion Android is a great OS, motorola is not my favorite phone manufacture, but beyond that it is still a nice device. It is slightly more responsive than the TP2. The keyboard is much more cramped and the top row is difficult to get use to. It doesn't quite replicate the desktop feel I get when I use WM. I can't give a real in depth break down because I've only messed with them a couple times.
Hope that helps your decision a little.
I have a coworker a few desks away from mine who has a Droid, and we often pass the time with a few heated rounds of "yeah, but can yours do this??" LOL Neither of us has done much to convince the other that our phone is better (his Droid vs my TP2)....but, the one thing he openly admits he wishes he had was the MUCH better hardware keyboard that I enjoy all day long
In fact, I suspect that once a fully-working version of android appears on the TP2, he'll be finding a way to sell his droid, and join the ranks of the HTC fans
Thank you both. I appreciate the info!
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Will a new TP2 device now be installed with 6.5 or will I need to upgrade? Can someone give me a quickie run down of 6.5 vs. 6.1?
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I'm pretty satisfied with 6.1, though I use SPB Mobile Shell for my UI. Though I can't give you a run down, having not used 6.5, the only feature I've come across yet that I actually want is a reg entry for the keyboard backlight. Also, last I checked Office Mobile 2010 is 6.5 only. Once OneNote Mobile 2010 is out, I'll probably bite the bullet and upgrade.
Personally I'd avoid the Droid. If I didn't need a better hardware keyboard than that, I'd probably get a Nexus One and use the on screen keyboard. Cramping the keys that close together with minimal key differentiation... I honestly don't know what the point of that was. Another nice thing about the Nexus One is you get OS updates straight from Google. No waiting on VZW and no fragmentation concerns.
Choosing the TP2 instead means being outdated in terms of power but having marvelous levels of interface comfort. I'm already plotting trying to find a similarly sized android snapdragon that I can somehow transplant into my TP2's casing. It's probably impossible, but it is super comfortable. I'll just have to dual boot and pretend I don't mind the ancient guts.
I've never heard the battery life described as anything other than average. Although the CPU is slow, the newer faster processors also come with new power-saving tech it doesn't have, so a nice snapdragon will go longer on the same battery capacity (though most snappys come with a smaller capacity battery stock). I'm actually using my VZW TP2 as a PDA right now, typically with all radios off, so my usage couldn't inform you. If you're a heavy power user, average might not do it. You can get a 1700ish mah battery that fits in the existing casing, or up to a 3500mah battery that requires a new battery cover if that suits you. Alternatively you can get a charger that charges both your phone and a spare battery simultaneously and swap as necessary.
Since this is posted in the TP2 sections, you'll get biased results, same as if you were to post this on the Droid forums. I have a Droid and my girlfriend has a Tilt 2. My Droid is rooted with AdamZ 2.1 Android and overclocked; the thing is lightning fast. My girlfriends Tilt 2 has been custom cooked with EnergyROM Sense 2.5 and have also installed Android to test it out.
Performance wise, the Droid is faster, much faster if overclocked; it was a huge performance upgrade for me since my previous phone was a Samsung Omnia i910 with a cooked WM 6.5 rom. There is virtually no noticeable lag between scrolling screens and opening apps. Her Tilt 2 was fairly slow out of the box loaded with AT&T bloatware, she even complained to me about the phone being laggy. However, it is noticeably faster since installing the cooked rom.
I know Android is still in it's beta phases for the TP2, but it's still fairly buggy, many of the apps don't function correctly and eventually gave up on using it.
If apps are a big thing for you, I'd stick with Android, as there are many more fun apps, many of them free. With the Windows Marketplace, many apps are merely trial or lite versions, an example being Shazam, which is free on Android, but limited to 10 uses on Windows. I'm not sure if it's just Microsoft's doing or what. Also, the Droid has Google Navigation, which is arguably the best GPS for a phone, and is completely free. I've even thought about selling my Garmin 265WT since I barely use it anymore.
As for the keyboard, the Tilt 2 is clearly better, but I've never had any problems typing on the Droid, which many people complain about. I type with the tips of my thumbs, so that may make a difference. Battery life is pretty much the same, which can last about a day or two depending on usage.
All in all, I'm happy with my decision and when I asked my girlfriend which phone she preferred, she picked mine, but the for her it was between an iPhone and a Tilt 2.
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Since this is posted in the TP2 sections, you'll get biased results, same as if you were to post this on the Droid forums.
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I actually disagree, especially considering the responses thus far. There's plenty of Android love in this thread, but I'd wager there'd be little WinMo love in a droid thread. I think TP2 users are dramatically more aware and more willing to admit to their device's weaknesses than users of more popular phones.
I would appreciate if anybody could give comparison between HD2 and Touch Pro2 because I am torn between the two models. I am now using Dopod 838pro (Tytn)
and want to upgrade coz my phone is "dying". Basically I like the HD2 for the speed and the screen but it don't have video call or macro mode. I like most of the spec in touch pro but it lack speed compare to HD2. So i guess someone who have used both of these models would know the pros and cons. Especially the speed of these two processor in real life. Any input would greatly appreciate
You should go for the HD2. The speeds of the TP2 is getting really anoying. And the fact that android is running very smooth on the HD2.
And there is the possiblity of a WP7 rom for the HD2 in the future.
The biggest decision you have to make is how much do you value a physical keyboard? If it's a big deal for you, then go for the Touch Pro2. If you don't care about a keyboard, then the HD2 is a far superior choice in terms of hardware as well as software development. HTC's website lists the specs of both machines. Keep in mind that the T-Mobile version of the HD2 has 1GB of internal storage as opposed to half of that on any other version of it.
my own opinion, go for TP2, it's qwerty hardware keyboard are valuable things to have, just like Your Hermes, it make different easy way related for daily working usage
Thanks for all the replies. My problem with HD2 is there is no secondary camera for video call. Then if I choose TP2, how bad is the speed, is it acceptable if compare to Hermes (Hermes is quite slow to me)?. Or is it just about the same?.
Well.... I think I have to choose TP2 for the secondary camera. If HD2 come with secondary camera that would be a dream. I have also look at other WinMo device such as Omnia Pro with the slide keyboard, secondary camera and 800MHz but not so good UI, and I like HTC more.
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Thanks for all the replies. My problem with HD2 is there is no secondary camera for video call. Then if I choose TP2, how bad is the speed, is it acceptable if compare to Hermes (Hermes is quite slow to me)?. Or is it just about the same?.
Well.... I think I have to choose TP2 for the secondary camera. If HD2 come with secondary camera that would be a dream. I have also look at other WinMo device such as Omnia Pro with the slide keyboard, secondary camera and 800MHz but not so good UI, and I like HTC more.
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If you are in the US, the second camera makes no difference as it will not work for video calling here. Video calls on the TP2 only work in Europe.
Ok dx3me, here's my personal opinion. I had previously purchased the Touch Pro2 because of its keyboard form factor as well as the front camera. I came from the Xda Exec/Htc Universal phone and this greatly influence my choise for the Tp2.
-->First complain edited since the TP2 can play smooth videos provided you know how to convert it with this tool--->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467112
Second complain is that the internet experience is not that great and after using a hd2, I really prefer its bigger screen as it delivers a new approach on how you can easily browse, email, chats and so on. Very stylish in the hands and its look is simply amazing - it will surely not go unnoticed by people around you due to its huge screen + "slim" size.
Third and last one is that some softwares are so damn slow to run on it and the lack of extra RAM suffers greatly.
So I am definitely planning to switch to a HTC HD2 in the coming weeks as compared to the TP2, the HD2 has specifications of a new generation phone where as the tp2 is very very far behind. Now that many phones are coming out equipped with a 1ghz proccessor, I bet that most people will follow the trend and get similar powerful phones unless keyboard is an absolute must or money is a key factor...My opinions only...
Okay, you want an opinion? I'm a person with both a Touch Pro 2 and a HD2.
Well first, I loved my TP2. I thought it was the best phone I've ever had. Loved the physical keyboard, it seemed to be running fast, and it can run Android on it, although not quite so well. The resistive touchscreen was very accurate, even though it could sometimes be one big pain in the arse. That's when the stylus came in.Pop it out, use it, pop it back in, simple. But then after a while, the darn thing felt so slow. Pages took a long time to load, no Flash support in browsers, my battery drained fast. One day I went to the T-Mobile store in my area. What do I see sitting in front of me? A live working HD2, hooked up to their security system. So I try it. So fast, I have to have it. So I h'whipped p) out $500 bucks from my pocket a few months later, and I had my HD2. It can run Android 2.2. It can run Flash videos perfectly. Hell, even Windows Mobile was fast. Then I thought, oh shucks, the keyboard. I flipped the phone into Landscape mode and that friggin keyboard is amazing. Now I have big hands - my fingertips are about as big as the keys on my keyboard. This keyboard won't make you miss your Touch Pro 2. Since then, my Touch Pro 2 has sat in a corner, neglected. I feel sorry for it from time to time and use it p), but then I go straight back to the HD2.
One disadvantage of the HD2 is the BATTERY LIFE. Heavy use - 4 hours (constantly on)
HD2...I really like the hard keyboard on my TP2, but it just doesn't have enough Ram, My older Samsung Epix ran better, the TP2 just sucks away ram, I end up soft resetting a couple times a day, just from text messaging or checking my calendar or weather, it's a pretty big disappointment in that area. Just think, the HD2 will have a processor about twice the speed of the TP2 and twice the ram, plus half a Gig to 1 Gig of internal storage, for pesky programs that won't go on the storage card. If you want specs just check out: http://www.htc.com/us/products/compare/104-65-61?view=1-3&sort=0
I think I know which one to get!!
Thank you everyone for the inputs.
Well, I'm changing my mind. I have tested a demo HD2 in the shop and like it. I think I have to get the HD2. I also can't consider any of the WP7 devices at the moment because I think I would not buy the WP7 devices until it become better devices. That could be a year or two. Well if I could not live without the video call (on HD2), I have to fix my Hermes a bit as a backup. So I can use the video call on my good old Hermes. Hopefully this could work. (The only bad thing is I have to carry my Hermes along if I intend to do a video call)
Hi Mate,
I Have both the Touch Pro 2 and HD2 and I would only recommend the HD2!! My personal opion is that I would not waste your money on the touch pro 2.
Col
Hmmm, I've been using the HD2 for 1week now and my previous excitement has a bit vanished for this phone. I used the phone a lot for business purposes (especially using emails and chat a lot) and the lack of a keyboard suffers GREATLY. Though the HD2 screen is large for typing, I ended up in making mistakes couple of times when typing fast and I was really frustrated having to constantly correct my mistakes. This is time consuming especially when I have a lot of emails to respond on the way, and often gets my nerves to the limit.
The touch screen though is very responsive but I feel that the TP2 resistive screen has a bit more precision. Speed wise, the HD2 blows the TP2 and it is definitely great to watch your pictures/movies on the large screen. Apart from the mutimedia use, I am going to stick back to my TP2 and return the HD2. Nothing feels better than a physical qwerty keyboard and...a resistive screen for selecting a specific word easily when typing (...my opinions only).
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Though the HD2 screen is large for typing, I ended up in making mistakes couple of times when typing fast and I was really frustrated having to constantly correct my mistakes. This is time consuming especially when I have a lot of emails to respond on the way, and often gets my nerves to the limit.
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I have big hands and I only make one error out of every hundred words.
Hi there,
I'm hoping to help you with my story: Using my father's old WM device (MDA Compact III) for about one year, in the beginning of this year I decided to go for something new. My most important requirement for the new device was a QWERTZ-keyboard (here in Germany). So, there wasn't much of a choice I had and after scanning through some device's reviews looking also at those without a QWERTZ to get to know the current standards (among them the HD2, "old" TouchPro, G1, BlackBerry 9700, Xperia X1 and some of the Samsung and LG devices) I bought the TouchPro2 as it seemed to me the best choice concerning specifications and my demands. And I was really happy about it! It was way faster than my former MDA, had much better graphics, loads of software to use and so on...
When time passed by, I started to pick up on some custom roms, as I wasn't satisfied with the speed (everyone know about the upgrading his personal requirements). Found the roms of NRGZ28 very good, stable and fast.
However, I was constantly getting more and more fed up with WM6(.5) and the phone as there are some constant (to me unknown) freezes and hangs. And as WM7 will not be seen on this device I decided to go for another change: I ordered the Desire Z, which is (finally) on its way, maybe arriving today.
My advice for you: take a look at Android or WM7. And try around with those keyboards and decide, if you *really* need a physical one. There is a whole bunch of good devices, that will be released with WM7 and Android.
Cheers!
OP got the HD2. There is no longer any reason to try to convince him of anything.
cajunflavoredbob said:
OP got the HD2. There is no longer any reason to try to convince him of anything.
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ah, too late... well then, have fun with the hd2
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ah, too late... well then, have fun with the hd2
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Hmmm I would be curious to hear your opinions on both phones - may you share?
I'd vote for the HD2 because of it's specifications. Like it was said earlier the HD2 blows the TP2 out of the water. But also pointed out is the problem with WinMo 6.5. This stock ROM is a dinosaur in age and just doesn't hold a candle up to Android or WM7. I also was fed up with it on my HD2 so I made a complete change and switched my device over the Android via custom ROMs found on these forums. I've never been happier!
So the debate really is between Android and WM7. Considering the future I think getting android would be a better deal. It's going to explode in popularity due to Microsoft's and Apple's security lockdowns on their devices (they aren't very customizable, WM7 and the iPhone etc), and because of Android being open source.
So before I get going on a tangent , I'd recommend getting the HD2 if you like customizing your phone A LOT. It can be kind of a scary procedure. But if you're not up to that kind of stuff I'd recommend looking at HTC's Android phones. They're very stable and fun to use. The TP2 will become a very average phone in the next while with all the new and cool stuff coming out.