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Is this phone worth it?

So i'm thinking about getting a new phone, and i've been following the touch pro 2 for awhile since it was announced, and it's always caught my interest. Right now i'd be paying 350 since i'm under tmobile, i'm just wondering from peoples opinions is it worth it?
can someone layout the pros and the cons on the phone for me? thanks.

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Of course it´s worth every cent!
Redundant if we post here pros and cons
Better read and search!!
Good luck,

I paid $688.88 for my unlocked/unbranded version a couple months back and I have no regrets.

Paid $525 and I can't put it down! Worth every cent and thank god I made the switch and left the Blackberry world. I will not lie, I did hesitate to leave my Blackberry 8900 even after tracking the TP2 for like a month. Blackberry has nothing on HTC TP2.

I guess imma just shut up and get it haha. sorry for not using the search function. just got really curious

Pros:
the lovely, lovely physical keyboard - I just can't tell you how useful this is;
large, bright, high-res screen (3.6", 800x480);
excellent support from this website;
very good call quality (so long as you don't get the T-mobile version);
some very neat business-oriented features (e.g. if you put the phone down face-down in mid conversation it automatically switches to speaker-phone);
noise-cancelling so other people can hear you clearly over traffic;
TouchFLO interface is quite nice;
running Windows Mobile means a huge range of downloadable apps;
built-in Word, Excel and Powerpoint support.
Cons:
not everyone likes Windows Mobile, and you find yourself dumped into it more often than you'd expect - this also limits you to 16-bit colour;
HTC and Qualcomm between them have somehow managed to arrange things so that 3rd party apps cannot make use of the GPU, which makes video playback decidedly iffy;
larger and much heavier than most phones (that's the price of the keyboard);
uses much the same hardware as phones released a year ago (much less powerful than an iPhone 3GS or even the latest Samsung models);
thoroughly mediocre camera with no flash;
no one version of the phone will work everywhere in the world (as far as I know);
most versions lack a 3.5mm headphone jack, so if you want to use anything other than the bundled headphones you need an adapter, and unless you have a very fancy adapter you can't listen to music on it and charge it at the same time;
unimpressive battery life;
resistive touch-screen is better than most, but less responsive than a capacitive screen and cannot ever support multi-touch (although a capacitive screen wouldn't allow you to use a stylus, so there are swings and roundabouts);
lack of on-board storage.

paid $900 for mine on ebay before official launch - been with it on safaris in Africa , paddled and plotted my course on lower Zambezi with hippos.... It's worth every cent.

AlCapone said:
paid $900 for mine on ebay before official launch - been with it on safaris in Africa , paddled and plotted my course on lower Zambezi with hippos.... It's worth every cent.
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wouldn't go that far but it is a great phone.
Saying that, like with every device I'd think seriously about what you want your phone to do.
I wanted a web browsing, business phone communicator. Its close to perfect.
If you're looking for a slim camera music player etc.? Stay well away.

Shasarak said:
resistive touch-screen is better than most, but less responsive than a capacitive screen and cannot ever support multi-touch (although a capacitive screen wouldn't allow you to use a stylus, so there are swings and roundabouts)
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Never say never
Especially the second one is a software only solution, since the Nokia 5800 also has a resistive touch screen.
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/9051_Multi-touch_on_resistive_touch.php
http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2009/03/03/nokia-5800-gets-experimental-multitouch/

ryohazuki said:
So i'm thinking about getting a new phone, and i've been following the touch pro 2 for awhile since it was announced, and it's always caught my interest. Right now i'd be paying 350 since i'm under tmobile, i'm just wondering from peoples opinions is it worth it?
can someone layout the pros and the cons on the phone for me? thanks.
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I moved to this phone from a G1 (and an iPhone before that) on tmobile, and IMHO this is the best phone available with tmobile 3G right now. Fast, stable, and with WM you have tons of options for customizing/personalizing your handset. So far (had it about a week) i really see no cons with this device, if anything it'd be its size, but its not a complaint by me, its the same size as a G1.

Shasarak said:
Pros:
the lovely, lovely physical keyboard - I just can't tell you how useful this is;
large, bright, high-res screen (3.6", 800x480);
excellent support from this website;
very good call quality (so long as you don't get the T-mobile version);
some very neat business-oriented features (e.g. if you put the phone down face-down in mid conversation it automatically switches to speaker-phone);
noise-cancelling so other people can hear you clearly over traffic;
TouchFLO interface is quite nice;
running Windows Mobile means a huge range of downloadable apps;
built-in Word, Excel and Powerpoint support.
Cons:
not everyone likes Windows Mobile, and you find yourself dumped into it more often than you'd expect - this also limits you to 16-bit colour;
HTC and Qualcomm between them have somehow managed to arrange things so that 3rd party apps cannot make use of the GPU, which makes video playback decidedly iffy;
larger and much heavier than most phones (that's the price of the keyboard);
uses much the same hardware as phones released a year ago (much less powerful than an iPhone 3GS or even the latest Samsung models);
thoroughly mediocre camera with no flash;
no one version of the phone will work everywhere in the world (as far as I know);
most versions lack a 3.5mm headphone jack, so if you want to use anything other than the bundled headphones you need an adapter, and unless you have a very fancy adapter you can't listen to music on it and charge it at the same time;
unimpressive battery life;
resistive touch-screen is better than most, but less responsive than a capacitive screen and cannot ever support multi-touch (although a capacitive screen wouldn't allow you to use a stylus, so there are swings and roundabouts);
lack of on-board storage.
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dunno if this is considered reviving a dead thread or anything thats my own but
the size isn't a problem for me, i've owned a windows mobile phone before and liked it but whats wrong with the tmobile version? and is the battery life really that bad?

I'm pleased with mine. Basically I had an MDA for almost 3 and a half years, with a short try of a Wing. Great winmobile phone, haven't had too much battery problems, phone quality seems ok, better than the MDA.
And the phone senses when it's close to your ear--no more false button pushes!
Cheers,
Tom

ryohazuki said:
but whats wrong with the tmobile version? and is the battery life really that bad?
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The t-mobile version is rather oddly configured. Most of what's wrong with it can be corrected (all in one hit if you don't mind flashing it with a different ROM) but it's a little fiddly. For example, the in-call volume seems to be lower on the t-mobile version - people complain that the sound is too quiet and "muffled". I believe this can be fixed by replacing a file with the equivalent from an unbranded phone, but it's still a fiddle if you expect things to work properly out of the box. I think the t-mobile version may also be set up to use Internet Explorer rather than Opera as the default browser. Again, it's not difficult to change this, it's just annoying.
The battery life is okay, but not great. If you're watching video clips or gaming you can completely drain a fully-charged battery in 3-4 hours.
Btw, one important draw-back that I forgot to mention is the lack of a D-pad - that's a real problem if you're a gamer.

General concensus for veteran WM users i found here is that almost all quite satisfied with TP2 out of the box, since these persons are coming from previous devices and know-well that TP2 is the 1st time HTC (almost) do it perfectly. In condition they didn't receive defect unit.
For new WM users, i see 50-50. But that's improvement, because with previous devices it can be as much as 20-80 (80% unsatisfied), with 20% are looking for ways to improve their devices. That's why now we have this great forum

i have the original EU version of this device and i must say that this is the best phone i used ever , and believe me i switch mobiles like socks ...
the most important thing for me is the stability of the OS , in my case i havnt done any soft reset since i got this device three weeks ago ( depens on your ROM version ect...)
another good thing is the speaker phone , try to compare it to the iphone 3gs and you will notice a big diffrence,

schizo said:
General concensus for veteran WM users i found here is that almost all quite satisfied with TP2 out of the box, since these persons are coming from previous devices and know-well that TP2 is the 1st time HTC (almost) do it perfectly. In condition they didn't receive defect unit.
For new WM users, i see 50-50. But that's improvement, because with previous devices it can be as much as 20-80 (80% unsatisfied), with 20% are looking for ways to improve their devices. That's why now we have this great forum
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I would consider myself a wm vet, this is my 4rth wm phone and the TP2 if I purchase it will be my 5th. I can hardly run my TP at times because it is so slow. I have everything on my class 6 sd and some apps on my phone which is minimal. I am running nrg rom latest and I must say it is slow as balls.
I might even skip the tp2 because it shares the same chipset for att as the tp. Making it slow as balls but with a much larger screen. My favorite warez website just opened an Iphone section. all apps available, Gui much better, mms hacked, better graphics, shes lookin alot better these days. The tp2 just aint cuttin it as far as performance. I might just make the switch until HTC and winmo get there act together. Truely sad as I've been an iphone and apple hater for quite sometime. The truth is the tp2 lacks everything except the screen and keyboard. Winmo and htc are pushing me out with these piece of **** phones.
eh I might still get the tp2. I am seriously looking for reasons not to get the Icrap. Flame on aholes..

Well I've had the T-mobile version for about a month now and I have to say its pure Winsuace!!! Now as for the same chip set as the touch pro , that's not exactly ture. If you look around on the fourms, some one posted a link about where there was a dispute between Qulacom and another chipmaker about the cpu. So because of that the Touch Pros cpu contained some work arounds so it could be used and that made it slower. On the TP2 it contains no workarounds and its pretty snappy! Also I run a bunch of apps at once and it doesn't bog down So here's my two thumbs up!!!

i really dont see nothing wrong wit the tmo version of this phone.. besides the lack of 3.5mm jack and color change from the Euro version..
But the stock rom that comes with the phone is a bit off.. i had to flash it the first day i got it
but i wouldn't mind taking a euro version over the tmo one anyday.. one major reason that stop me from gettng the euro one is that it do not have 3G US bands on it.

Well it's too late now as I am now a proud owner of a Touch Pro 2
I love this thing already. flashed it with a new rom, whats the best radio to use? i'm not too familiar with the whole radio flashing thing like as in like whats the best one to use, so if someone could point me in the right direction? if not ill just search it.

Well it's too late now as I am now a proud owner of a Touch Pro 2
I love this thing already. flashed it with a new rom, whats the best radio to use? i'm not too familiar with the whole radio flashing thing like as in like whats the best one to use, so if someone could point me in the right direction? if not ill just search it.

Question for iphone users HTC vs Iphone

Hello
I am satisfied with my HTC Touch 2 Pro ... when it actually works.
I have flashed "energy rom manila 2.1"
Unfortunately manila is very laggy interface I need to reset it at least twice a day.
I need my phone to be snappy and I thinking about switching to iphone.
Is it wort it ? I never had an iphone and I am wondering if GUI is faster.
I use HTC mostly to organize my day using microsoft outlook.

Dont do it !!!
MY Roommate has an iphone 3g. she is always asking to use my touch pro to connect her laptop to my phone to get internet. Internet sharing on the iphone does not work unless you jailbreak it.
other things you can not do is draw on the cap. touch screen. there is no hardware keyboard and because of that every message I got from an iphone user made them seem like they are 5 years old. there are lots of things iphone users complain about, not just my roommate. I just dont have the time to get into it.
Main thing you need is Outlook integration, right? so why deal with Apple products? there is a better outlook in the WinMo phones than on a desktop!
Apple lets the carriers (Att) call the shots about what is possible with the dinky little iphone. Microsoft lets us call the shots when we have to raise our fingers at those who limit us. They just dont tell us how to, but make it pretty easy.
You get an iphone, you will regret it.
Just find a decent stable rom.
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Just think of apple as the forbiden fruit... 'cause just about everything you try to do on it is forbiden. :|

Try one one of the cell pro roms. They are really stable and manilla is quite snappy on them.
I found the NRG roms pretty to look at but a little too buggy to use day to day.

I've been using NRG's roms for a long time and prefer the 21*** based 2.1 roms and they've been stable and snappy.
As for the iPhone, go ahead and try it out and see what you think. I have a buddy of mine that switched from windows mobile to iPhone and loves it! He was sick of flashing roms and doing reg edits and such. He wanted something low maintenance.
As for me, i've had the originial iPhone and the 3G, i couldn't use either one for more than 2 weeks. They've got a bunch of apps, but 90% of them are useless, windows mobile is much more productive.
The user interface is awesome, and its a great phone for people that want something really simple. As for me, i prefer something advanced, like windows mobile

Don´t trade it!
Rhodium is a great device!!
Rhodium: business and more serious and complete device
iphone: a fun device for listening music, download 100000000000000000000000 of almost all useless apps.. oh and by the way you can make calls....

Don't do it ......
The iPhone is losing it's luster ............

To be honest with you, we can have a fanboy war all day. Also this question has been asked many times.
IMHO It comes down to personal preference.

I had a Tytn II (ATT Tilt) for 1.5 years and then got an iPhone. Have had the iPhone for about a year. Jailbroke it so I could actually do some things with it but it is still limiting. Now I want to go back to WinMo and the TP2. So, you tell me which is best?

I have both, and i'd never go iPhone only,
the iPhone is great for reading emails and browsing the internet
the TP2 is much better for messages, calls, internet sharing, and useful software, like FFT's or playing back video formats i actually use.
I can spend all day dicking around on the TP2 and still have enough battery to make calls, i put my iPhone through the same punishment and it lasts less than 8 hours.
plus every man and his dog has an iphone, and when you pull yours out, its like an open invitation for people to come up to you and compare "apps"
on apps: WOOO OVER 90,000 APPS! most of them are fart sound generators. there are 3 useful apps, and they all cost over $50.

i have had tons of smart phones and the tp2 was the only windows mobile phone i could stand after having all palm treo's. unfortunately, the phone is laggy and slow, and the iphone is so much better at switching between programs. i disagree that the apps are not useful, i have found the apps to be the main reason i want to switch. safari, yelp, facebook, etc. all the internet based apps are better written, and integrate more seamlessly with the phone. if sprint wasn't giving me such a good deal, and i mean really amazing plan, i would have switched to the iphone a long time ago. once the next gen iphone comes out (june 2010) i will get one in addition to my tp2 which i use for tethering. as for the jailbreak excuse, yes, some of the apps do require jailbreaking but i hardly see the difference between jailbreaking and installing a new rom.
the only issue, and it's a big one, is the lack of a physical keyboard. you get used to it, but still i can see it being an issue with as many text messages as i send.

I do not have iphone but have teh ipod touch which is virtually iphone without the phone feature. The strength of iphone is often the interface and the tight integration. It should be expected because the phone interface does not sits on top of the WinMo. I guess if you want a faster response, disable the touchflo.
Another strength of iphone would be finger frindly. WinMo still needs to catch up and hopefully it will on WinMo 7 (and hopefully TP2 will have it, pray on HTC to support it)>
Another strength of iPhone would be the web browser in my opnion. Nothing on the mobile platform comes as close as the safari.
I guess for more feature rich and more customization, winmo phones are great and tp2 is prob the best (with the exception of HTC Leo). The con of the TP would probably be the size and weight.

If you need more speed and stability, energy ROMs may not be for you. Lot's of extras and eye candy are put in. They are fast enough for me, but maybe you should look at a more simplistic ROM. I have a CDMA device so I can't recommend one for you but I'm sure there are plenty out there. If you rely on the outlook features heavily, Iphone is definitely not for you. It is a media phone, not a PDA.

iPhone or TP2
I never had an iPhone--I never wanted one--but I had my TyTN/8525 for just a few months short of 3 years; at that point, the battery couldn't hold a charge and that made it untenable while out on contract projects. I recently upgraded to a TP2 and am absolutely happy with it. The only problem I've had (installed an application that, after rebooting, wouldn't even load Windows. I fixed that and haven't had a problem since.
Both platforms have some apps that aren't worth wasting any bandwidth on as well as some apps that are worth their weight in gold. Both have download services for applications, and I know the Windows Marketplace and CAB4Express are lacking. Still, I've patched my otherwise stock Tilt 2 to improve the network throughput, removed the extra software that AT&T installed and installed other WM65-compatible software. it's a great business platform; rumors of its demise are overexaggerated and, to the contrary, it's not dead yet.

If you are tired of the typical Manila style. Try SPB SHELL. It's kind of like the Android interface and it's pretty zippy. It might give your device some freshness. It consumes less CPU juice then manila so give it a try. Download it from the website and give it a try.

band27 said:
If you are tired of the typical Manila style. Try SPB SHELL. It's kind of like the Android interface and it's pretty zippy. It might give your device some freshness. It consumes less CPU juice then manila so give it a try. Download it from the website and give it a try.
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That looks pretty tight, i'm gonna try it out ........

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That looks pretty tight, i'm gonna try it out ........
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For optimal settings:
• Start>Settings>Home>Items.....here uncheck everything and reset your phone

Hi, my iPhone 3g just broke and I was looking to get a new phone. Im a former Windows Mobile 5 user (mda, eten m700, and tilt). I am also a former G1 user. I always liked windows mobile before becasue all of the nicer devices ran it, but i always felt it was very slow and sluggish. I find the apple appstore is great and I use alot of the programs daily and they all are very smooth and fast. Have they improved windows mobile since the mda days. Will the tp2 be as fast an an iphone.
Is there a VNC program to control my desktop over edge, 3g, or wifi?
How good is the facebook app?
Hows the battery life?

orb3000 said:
oh and by the way you can make calls....
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Hahaha, this made my day. My roommate has one, and his phone drops calls CONSTANTLY. I'm being serious, like at least 4-5 times a day.

One point people have overlooked (unless I missed it wihile skimming)... is how customizable WinMo/TP2 is. You can modify your icons, enable disable features with simple RegEdits and make it look how you want
iPhone is well... still looks like an iPhone, unless you want to get into deep programming.

okay, i got my TP2 yesterday. I have got to say. I am loving this phone. I was a WinMo hater as well because of the fact it's sluggish and poor touchscreen interface. However, I think HTC made an excellent device. The screen is just great and vibratn. I think it's even better than iphone (can't confirm). the thing actually is much faster than I expected and I think it's not as slow as people cliam it to be. Even without the hacked ROM, it's fast enough.
The couple of complaints I have with the phone is the poor internet performance (it's going to e it's achille's hill for a long time unless MS get their act together). The weight is definitely not as good, it's a tad too heavy and thick to my liking but it's tolerable.
I absolutely love the keyboard, it's so much easier to work with it.
If you want a lighter phone, I think the HTC pure is an excellent alternative.

Why would anyone choose an iPhone

Hi Everyone,
Tell me, why would anyone actually choose an iPhone over a Desire/N1?
As I see it, the only thing an iPhone has over the Desire is the volume of apps, but can you give me a list of what the Desire/N1 has over the iPhone?

Speaking as someone who has had WinMo, Nokias etc. I can honestly say that my iPhone 3GS is the best device I have ever had. User interface is functional and simple and I can find an app for everything - plus the apps are mature. JB adds a new level to it, and provides the customisability that I love to do.
What I don't like about the iPhone is the restrictive nature of it, with the extreme control that Apple has. Ofc i have jailbroken the iPhone but Apple are making it increasingly harder to do this and I fear we are not far away from them making it near impossible to do so (hell you already have a situation with the newest phones having a tethered jb - i.e. they need to re-jb if their phone loses power, or is rebooted).
That being said, and my heart being in Linux land, my next phone will hopefully be the HTC Desire. I love the customisability of Android, the less restrictive nature, and for someone like me, I reckon i'll get more fun out of it.
The Desire's hardware beats a 3GS hand down. Android is getting there but is not as mature (obviously) as the iPhone OS, and nor are its Apps. But they are getting there. The Desire is a good enough handset that in a years time, Android really will be competing with the iPhone and your hardware will still be capable.
My wife will get the iPhone....

because the iPhone has the best apps. when it comes down to it, that's all the average smartphone user cares about...

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because the iPhone has the best apps. when it comes down to it, that's all the average smartphone user cares about...
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And that's the discussion I keep having with my mates. With the Desire's hardware and Eclair+Sense, the only real thing that the stock iPhone 3GS has going for it now is the apps. My argument there is that once a developer has perfected their app on/for the iPhone they'll likely(/hopefully) then be seeking the challenge, and the revenue(?), from launching it on the Android Market. The Desire's/N1's/Droid's hardware specs and Eclair's open customizability and capability would then allow them to take it to the next level.

1. Better UI controls. Android has great homescreens but when it comes to app UI controls, it lags behind Android.
2. More and Better casual applications. Many more games. Can be purchased around the world in 70+ countries. Much more free/promotion games compared to Android.
3. Better camera than the camera of most Androids.

A couple of things the Desire has going for it vs the iPhone:
*Camera: 5MP w/ flash vs 3MP w/o flash
*Screen resolution: 800x480 vs 480x320
*Battery: I can't back this up but I'm guessing the AMOLED display will drain less juice than the iPhone's traditional backlit LCD. Also, removable battery is always better than non-removable.
*Multi-tasking vs no multi-tasking
*Non-obstructive notications
*Useful information on homescreen vs just a bunch of icons
*File explorer
*Text reflow in browser
*Hardware buttons!

On Iphone run a Graphic Engine. Android can runs only a java application.

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On Iphone run a Graphic Engine. Android can runs only a java application.
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what? This post makes no sense what so ever.
you mean it has a GPU? And are you implying that android phones do not have one?
Maybe you should read up on programming for android:
http://developer.android.com/guide/basics/what-is-android.html

JTHM said:
Tell me, why would anyone actually choose an iPhone over a Desire/N1?
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I went from Nexus One to iPhone 3G S because of iPhone has much better quality apps. Apps make sense as they are thoughtfully designed and hence are easy to use unlike some Android applications which have every feature under the sun but are unintuitive. A good example of this is Astrid.
The good news is 2Do developer have confirmed they are working on 2Do port for Android. Then you will all understand what I am trying to say.
Also, iPhone has much much better games then Android.

raven2000 said:
I went from Nexus One to iPhone 3G S because of iPhone has much better quality apps. Apps make sense as they are thoughtfully designed and hence are easy to use unlike some Android applications which have every feature under the sun but are unintuitive. A good example of this is Astrid.
The good news is 2Do developer have confirmed they are working on 2Do port for Android. Then you will all understand what I am trying to say.
Also, iPhone has much much better games then Android.
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I just find the iphone very limited, I've had the 3GS for a month and I'm terribly bored of it. The only reason I still use it over my old touch pro is because it's faster for web browsing.
Android sounds like the kind of OS I want, very customizable very flexable.

orlandojumpoff said:
because the iPhone has the best apps. when it comes down to it, that's all the average smartphone user cares about...
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Exactly I love the apps and games I got on my Ipod touch but I wouldn't buy an Iphone cause I dont like that Att crappy service.

All hardware aside, you have to approach this as a standard customer. Said customer buys into what marketing sells; buys into all the hype generated around the fanboys spread across the internet; buys what they are told to buy.
Because of the market saturation, apps developed for the iphonepods will be more cared for and mature a lot faster. Facebook is a prime example of this. If you don't use facebook then this example is lost on you The iphone has a fantastic fbook app that keeps you in the app and offers almost all the same functionality as you would find in a desktop browser; almost. Fbook on android however...not even close. This is a deal breaker for those who live and die with fbook.
So you have a bajillion apps being sold every second in apple's app store generating a ****ton of revenue for all involved giving people reason to create solid apps. There is some pretty solid DRM involved (though not unbreakable ) preventing app piracy which leaves the devs with a peace of mind.
Now take the android world. While android is found on more devices now than I could possibly think of, the average user would never know it. There is no advertising (well nothing compared to the viral campaigning apple has successfully pulled off), no customer draw...android is, for the most part, word of mouth.
So with the above in mind, the numbers just are not there for developers to devote a ton of time into making apps comparable to what you will find on the iphone...not yet anyways.
App protection is another biggie. So with both platforms you require the device to be unlocked/rooted in order to get around this. With the android platform it's a bit easier; once you have root, you have free apps. With the iphone it's a bit trickier but still very doable; one layer beyond simply rooting (jailbreaking). Don't kid yourself if you think devs are not aware of this.
Thankfully, the majority of users on both platforms don't use their powers for evil or we would see a serious drop in apps I bet.
So why would anyone choose an iphone? Apps and itunes.
Apps are a big deal; they are a means to keep in touch with friends and family, they are a means to get unlost, to get lost, to waste time, to save time...the better the app, the more efficient you can do all of these tasks.
People want to carry their music with them. Love it or hate it, itunes is here to stay and a ton of people have fully entrusted their music to itunes. an iphone means everything in itunes is easily synced.
Personally, I went from dumbphones to winmo (moto Q on verizon) to the g1 (t-mobile) and never returned to winmo. I switched to att from tmo and without really thinking about it, I gave my g1 to a friend in favour of an iphone3g. I should have just kept my g1 on edge on att...now while still on att, I am happily back to android with my nexus one. For me, everything stated above carries zero weight in value compared to the freedom I have with my n1.
...thursday rants are fun

Simply because Average Joe (or Jane for my part) doesn't read XDA

I think the more appropriate question is "Why would anyone choose the iPhone?".
Consider this scenario:
You're playing a casual game and listening to your music at the same time. You want to change to another playlist. You can't even do that without completely exiting your game.
I can't fathom using a supposedly smart device that can't even handle that simple of a multi-task.

I think the reason why iphone is still a big winner is only because of the apps and games.
Do u guys think good apps make a good OS?
Why Windows is still now the most popular OS?

Daemos said:
I just find the iphone very limited, I've had the 3GS for a month and I'm terribly bored of it. The only reason I still use it over my old touch pro is because it's faster for web browsing.
Android sounds like the kind of OS I want, very customizable very flexable.
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I have had a variety of smartphones from Blackberrys, to Android. My android phones are by far the best ones. I have up my iphone and ordered the G1 for the original release date. Even though at that time it was not on the same level as the Iphone it opened the door for us to have phones like the Nexus One, Desire, Legend, Moto Droid...ect.....tons of phones that give us choices. My Nexus one out the box was amazing, rooting the thing made it even more ridiculous.

As many of you have said previously, the only thing that I can see is better on iPhone than on Desire / Nexus is the Games, so I do not understand yet why you pay so much more if you buy this just for games? why not buy an iPod if you want the games/mp3.

Because its the trendy thing to buy.
I brought an ipod touch when they first came out. I was sick of it within a day. The apps are pretty well junk or gimmicks, I brought a ton of them never use them.
Games yeah right, maybe sitting in the car waiting for someone but really there crap and you are better off just getting on the net and reading XDA
There also to big to put in your pocket and use as an mp3 player.
But good on apple for marketing to the sheep so well and there about to do it again with the ipad!

Hi ,
I had HTC HD , and now i am on my way to buy a new Phone.
I wont buy 3GS , because in 3 months we will have a new Iphone , so that will be sucky sucky. on the other hand - if i pay so much for a phone i want to be able to play on it , and i saw some tests , showing Iphone has much more FPS in games.
is it a GPU thing ? if so , why would i buy the Desire.
currently this is the only thing -
if Desire had good games with good quality 3D and nice FPS . no reason to even consider 3GS or any iPhone .

Hardware (processor speed) comparisons are simply "wrong". Numbers on paper mean nothing because the OS software are not the same. Don't know why people don't get this...
That video that idandush referred is a good example.

going back...

currently with ATT and i'm available for upgrade in early July. and seriouslly considering going back to the Iphone. especially with the new iphone 4 and it's specs. unless ATT manages to pull a monkey out their **** and actually get a NICE and usable android phone. and i'm pretty sure i could talk an ATT in-store rep to get a manager to sign off on even early upgrade date. they're pretty flexible here.
i loved the Tilt 2 when i first got it...as with most users. i tried to stay away from hardSPLing and adding custom ROMs but the stock was just TOO slow and buggy. figured custom roms would help. negative...although faster and less bloated..they presented even more bugs, freeze ups, and random issues. and YES i've been through and tried out more than enough ROMs..all Task 29ing before each ROM. i've never had so many issues with previous phones. hell i've never had to reboot previous phones period.
Windows Mobile phones are just as buggy as their desktop counterparts..Windows XP, Vista, and 7.
and you Apple hating / Iphone bashing die hard WinMO and android fans..gotta admit the specs on the new iphone 4 are pretty damn impressive. i dislike the iphone OS...even as smooth as it is. but with multitasking now implemented, HD video recording, video editing right on the phone, facetime chat, an LCD display 4x better than phones out on the market now, larger battery and longer battery life, and a tougher sturdier design instead of the curvey plastic.
i know the wifey is ditching her Blackberry Curve 8900 for the new iphone when it comes out. so i'll have a chance to play with it before making a final decision. keeping my fingers crossed for a new android phone though, or get the iphone..hang on to the tilt 2 and keep an eye out on the android porting project till it's fully functional (sound, camera, battery meter...everything) on the Rhodium, and have the best of both worlds.
till than..i'm just gonna have to put up with this phone for another couple more weeks.

See ya!
My TP2 has been running a custom rom since DAY 1 without any headaches.
If iPhone is for you, go for it. Nothing wrong with it, but for my needs it
has features I would never use. I use mine for a TELEPHONE, IM, email
a photo here and there, and the weather radar. If you are into music,
heavy video and a locked down you do what we say OS, then the iPhone
is for you.

Bugger that!!!!!! I'll take the music, heavy video and an OS that's completely customisable, easy to get apps for that don't require me to use the iphone's store and a good all round phone...
There are plenty of good, free apps available for the WM OS but using Ipstore its a bloody nightmare. Especially in Oz where the data plans generally require you to give up extranneous body parts and take out a lease with the devil on your soul...

having a rhodium, BB curve and iPhone 3G myself i have to support anyone that is switching to the iPhone.
it is by far the best device on the market... and the gap gets bigger with iP4.
there are some good points in using a BB, but the OS looks/feels like 1994 and even the 3rd party software needs you to be an all out poweruser to get used to it.
WinMo still needs a stylus. period. it looks ugly and is buggy as hell. almost nothing in WM 6.5 feels well designed/crafted. tbh, using it (including most 3rd party software) feels like using linux systems of the late 90's, but without most of the benefits.
well, i use my rhodium for business purposes, cause we have an all out MS-software system at work. but the day i get a chance to use an iphone at work (ie. the day they pay for one + the data plan), i'll switch.
android is without any use atm, but it has a high potential...maybe the highest of all current systems.
choosing a smartphone for me looks like this atm: iPhone >> BB >> WinMo > Andriod
choosing a work smartphone is a lil different: iPhone >> WinMo > BB (no Andriod)
i know there are a lot of different opinions, but this is my point of view and i have a lot of good arguments for every bit of it.
PS: WP7 will not run existing software (afaik) + wont run on any current device. the end of the WinMo platform... welcome andriod!

Please help me decide HD2 or Touch Pro2

I would appreciate if anybody could give comparison between HD2 and Touch Pro2 because I am torn between the two models. I am now using Dopod 838pro (Tytn)
and want to upgrade coz my phone is "dying". Basically I like the HD2 for the speed and the screen but it don't have video call or macro mode. I like most of the spec in touch pro but it lack speed compare to HD2. So i guess someone who have used both of these models would know the pros and cons. Especially the speed of these two processor in real life. Any input would greatly appreciate

You should go for the HD2. The speeds of the TP2 is getting really anoying. And the fact that android is running very smooth on the HD2.
And there is the possiblity of a WP7 rom for the HD2 in the future.

The biggest decision you have to make is how much do you value a physical keyboard? If it's a big deal for you, then go for the Touch Pro2. If you don't care about a keyboard, then the HD2 is a far superior choice in terms of hardware as well as software development. HTC's website lists the specs of both machines. Keep in mind that the T-Mobile version of the HD2 has 1GB of internal storage as opposed to half of that on any other version of it.

my own opinion, go for TP2, it's qwerty hardware keyboard are valuable things to have, just like Your Hermes, it make different easy way related for daily working usage

Thanks for all the replies. My problem with HD2 is there is no secondary camera for video call. Then if I choose TP2, how bad is the speed, is it acceptable if compare to Hermes (Hermes is quite slow to me)?. Or is it just about the same?.
Well.... I think I have to choose TP2 for the secondary camera. If HD2 come with secondary camera that would be a dream. I have also look at other WinMo device such as Omnia Pro with the slide keyboard, secondary camera and 800MHz but not so good UI, and I like HTC more.

dx3me said:
Thanks for all the replies. My problem with HD2 is there is no secondary camera for video call. Then if I choose TP2, how bad is the speed, is it acceptable if compare to Hermes (Hermes is quite slow to me)?. Or is it just about the same?.
Well.... I think I have to choose TP2 for the secondary camera. If HD2 come with secondary camera that would be a dream. I have also look at other WinMo device such as Omnia Pro with the slide keyboard, secondary camera and 800MHz but not so good UI, and I like HTC more.
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If you are in the US, the second camera makes no difference as it will not work for video calling here. Video calls on the TP2 only work in Europe.

Ok dx3me, here's my personal opinion. I had previously purchased the Touch Pro2 because of its keyboard form factor as well as the front camera. I came from the Xda Exec/Htc Universal phone and this greatly influence my choise for the Tp2.
-->First complain edited since the TP2 can play smooth videos provided you know how to convert it with this tool--->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467112
Second complain is that the internet experience is not that great and after using a hd2, I really prefer its bigger screen as it delivers a new approach on how you can easily browse, email, chats and so on. Very stylish in the hands and its look is simply amazing - it will surely not go unnoticed by people around you due to its huge screen + "slim" size.
Third and last one is that some softwares are so damn slow to run on it and the lack of extra RAM suffers greatly.
So I am definitely planning to switch to a HTC HD2 in the coming weeks as compared to the TP2, the HD2 has specifications of a new generation phone where as the tp2 is very very far behind. Now that many phones are coming out equipped with a 1ghz proccessor, I bet that most people will follow the trend and get similar powerful phones unless keyboard is an absolute must or money is a key factor...My opinions only...

Okay, you want an opinion? I'm a person with both a Touch Pro 2 and a HD2.
Well first, I loved my TP2. I thought it was the best phone I've ever had. Loved the physical keyboard, it seemed to be running fast, and it can run Android on it, although not quite so well. The resistive touchscreen was very accurate, even though it could sometimes be one big pain in the arse. That's when the stylus came in.Pop it out, use it, pop it back in, simple. But then after a while, the darn thing felt so slow. Pages took a long time to load, no Flash support in browsers, my battery drained fast. One day I went to the T-Mobile store in my area. What do I see sitting in front of me? A live working HD2, hooked up to their security system. So I try it. So fast, I have to have it. So I h'whipped p) out $500 bucks from my pocket a few months later, and I had my HD2. It can run Android 2.2. It can run Flash videos perfectly. Hell, even Windows Mobile was fast. Then I thought, oh shucks, the keyboard. I flipped the phone into Landscape mode and that friggin keyboard is amazing. Now I have big hands - my fingertips are about as big as the keys on my keyboard. This keyboard won't make you miss your Touch Pro 2. Since then, my Touch Pro 2 has sat in a corner, neglected. I feel sorry for it from time to time and use it p), but then I go straight back to the HD2.
One disadvantage of the HD2 is the BATTERY LIFE. Heavy use - 4 hours (constantly on)

HD2...I really like the hard keyboard on my TP2, but it just doesn't have enough Ram, My older Samsung Epix ran better, the TP2 just sucks away ram, I end up soft resetting a couple times a day, just from text messaging or checking my calendar or weather, it's a pretty big disappointment in that area. Just think, the HD2 will have a processor about twice the speed of the TP2 and twice the ram, plus half a Gig to 1 Gig of internal storage, for pesky programs that won't go on the storage card. If you want specs just check out: http://www.htc.com/us/products/compare/104-65-61?view=1-3&sort=0

I think I know which one to get!!
Thank you everyone for the inputs.
Well, I'm changing my mind. I have tested a demo HD2 in the shop and like it. I think I have to get the HD2. I also can't consider any of the WP7 devices at the moment because I think I would not buy the WP7 devices until it become better devices. That could be a year or two. Well if I could not live without the video call (on HD2), I have to fix my Hermes a bit as a backup. So I can use the video call on my good old Hermes. Hopefully this could work. (The only bad thing is I have to carry my Hermes along if I intend to do a video call)

Hi Mate,
I Have both the Touch Pro 2 and HD2 and I would only recommend the HD2!! My personal opion is that I would not waste your money on the touch pro 2.
Col

Hmmm, I've been using the HD2 for 1week now and my previous excitement has a bit vanished for this phone. I used the phone a lot for business purposes (especially using emails and chat a lot) and the lack of a keyboard suffers GREATLY. Though the HD2 screen is large for typing, I ended up in making mistakes couple of times when typing fast and I was really frustrated having to constantly correct my mistakes. This is time consuming especially when I have a lot of emails to respond on the way, and often gets my nerves to the limit.
The touch screen though is very responsive but I feel that the TP2 resistive screen has a bit more precision. Speed wise, the HD2 blows the TP2 and it is definitely great to watch your pictures/movies on the large screen. Apart from the mutimedia use, I am going to stick back to my TP2 and return the HD2. Nothing feels better than a physical qwerty keyboard and...a resistive screen for selecting a specific word easily when typing (...my opinions only).

Final5k said:
Though the HD2 screen is large for typing, I ended up in making mistakes couple of times when typing fast and I was really frustrated having to constantly correct my mistakes. This is time consuming especially when I have a lot of emails to respond on the way, and often gets my nerves to the limit.
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I have big hands and I only make one error out of every hundred words.

Hi there,
I'm hoping to help you with my story: Using my father's old WM device (MDA Compact III) for about one year, in the beginning of this year I decided to go for something new. My most important requirement for the new device was a QWERTZ-keyboard (here in Germany). So, there wasn't much of a choice I had and after scanning through some device's reviews looking also at those without a QWERTZ to get to know the current standards (among them the HD2, "old" TouchPro, G1, BlackBerry 9700, Xperia X1 and some of the Samsung and LG devices) I bought the TouchPro2 as it seemed to me the best choice concerning specifications and my demands. And I was really happy about it! It was way faster than my former MDA, had much better graphics, loads of software to use and so on...
When time passed by, I started to pick up on some custom roms, as I wasn't satisfied with the speed (everyone know about the upgrading his personal requirements). Found the roms of NRGZ28 very good, stable and fast.
However, I was constantly getting more and more fed up with WM6(.5) and the phone as there are some constant (to me unknown) freezes and hangs. And as WM7 will not be seen on this device I decided to go for another change: I ordered the Desire Z, which is (finally) on its way, maybe arriving today.
My advice for you: take a look at Android or WM7. And try around with those keyboards and decide, if you *really* need a physical one. There is a whole bunch of good devices, that will be released with WM7 and Android.
Cheers!

OP got the HD2. There is no longer any reason to try to convince him of anything.

cajunflavoredbob said:
OP got the HD2. There is no longer any reason to try to convince him of anything.
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ah, too late... well then, have fun with the hd2

abprie said:
ah, too late... well then, have fun with the hd2
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Hmmm I would be curious to hear your opinions on both phones - may you share?

I'd vote for the HD2 because of it's specifications. Like it was said earlier the HD2 blows the TP2 out of the water. But also pointed out is the problem with WinMo 6.5. This stock ROM is a dinosaur in age and just doesn't hold a candle up to Android or WM7. I also was fed up with it on my HD2 so I made a complete change and switched my device over the Android via custom ROMs found on these forums. I've never been happier!
So the debate really is between Android and WM7. Considering the future I think getting android would be a better deal. It's going to explode in popularity due to Microsoft's and Apple's security lockdowns on their devices (they aren't very customizable, WM7 and the iPhone etc), and because of Android being open source.
So before I get going on a tangent , I'd recommend getting the HD2 if you like customizing your phone A LOT. It can be kind of a scary procedure. But if you're not up to that kind of stuff I'd recommend looking at HTC's Android phones. They're very stable and fun to use. The TP2 will become a very average phone in the next while with all the new and cool stuff coming out.