Hello,
I am new in all the things connected to ROM's, but I have rooted my Desire and s-off. I really like InserCoin at the moment, but I do not know which version to choose. I have STOCK HBOOT, but maybe I should better put CM7 HBOOT and use A2SD? If I understand correctly then CM7 HBOOT has more space for apps, because /data is 287M, but STOCK 147M? As I see changing HBOOT is not very hard, so I want to know.
I have class 4 SD card, and I want to install apps and not to worry about the free space. Which do you suggest?
Also wanted to know some info about EXT2/3/4, I found lots of comments, but everyone says different which to use. Which would be the most optimal for me?
Thank You!
I've been an Insertcoin user until the developer stopped supporting HTC Desire. Since you have a class 4 card, I would suggest you try the Stock Hboot version and see if it's fast enough for you.
If I can remember correctly the main difference between the Stock and CM7 version is that on the CM7 version, dalvik cache was left in the data partition of the phone while on the Stock everything was moved to the EXT partition of the SD card.
They say that CM7 is faster given the fact that dalvik is on the phone and not on the SD card. I've only used the CM7 version so I really can not verify how big is the difference in speed between the Stock and CM7 version.
I've used EXT4 partition as it was recommended for Insertcoin. I never really bothered trying out the other partition types.
The difference between A2SD and A2SD+ is, that with the last one not only app, also dalvik cache is moved to EXT-partition. So if your SD card is not fast enough, you will have lags. But I have moved A2SD+ with a Class 2 SD card and never had any problems. So I recommend to test if A2SD+ is working for you. I am pretty sure it will.
If you wanna use DATA2SD, you may need a new SD card because a Class 4 SD card might be too slow. Although I would also test before.
My recommendation for the type of the EXT-partition is 4, because it is the fastest.
OK, Thank you both for the information, will try A2SD+ and EXT4 later today.
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hi, i was just wondering if someone can tell me the benefit of cm7 over a2sd please, im S-OFF so no problems changing, but just wanted to know the differences. and also which is better, insertcoin or rcmix??
cheers.
I think I read a possible speed increase with cm7
Different system partition sizes..
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ok so what the big deal about the system partition being bigger.. what does that mean in real world case?
In the a2sd apps and dalvik are on sd because there is no much space
In cm7, apps are on SD ,but dalvik cache is on internal.
Dalvik is the virtual machine that runs on android to provide that java environment(behind that is Linux). Also internal memory is faster on read/write even from a class 10 SD card. That way we take advantage of the internals speed , which makes the Rom a lot faster. Also since the ext partition is used only for apps, there is more space available for more apps than a2sd
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In cm7, apps are on SD ,but dalvik cache is on internal.
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Cm7 does not officially support a2sd. Even if you have an ext partition on sd card, you also have to run a special script or program(strange issues occur here sometimes). This is why it's recommened to have cm7 hboot when you run cm7 rom, because with cm7 hboot you do not need a2sd because of the big /data partition.
Furthermore, as far as i know the difference between a2sd and a2sd+ is the following:
a2sd: only apps will be moved to sd card
a2sd+: apps and cache will be moved to sd card.
dexter93 said:
In the a2sd apps and dalvik are on sd because there is no much space
In cm7, apps are on SD ,but dalvik cache is on internal.
Dalvik is the virtual machine that runs on android to provide that java environment(behind that is Linux). Also internal memory is faster on read/write even from a class 10 SD card. That way we take advantage of the internals speed , which makes the Rom a lot faster. Also since the ext partition is used only for apps, there is more space available for more apps than a2sd
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So. if we're in cm7, it would defeat the purpose if we use mcr scripts to move dalvik cache to sd? It's just that I noticed an increase in internal storage space. Is that not a good thing?
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Cm7 does not officially support a2sd. Even if you have an ext partition on sd card, you also have to run a special script or program(strange issues occur here sometimes). This is why it's recommened to have cm7 hboot when you run cm7 rom, because with cm7 hboot you do not need a2sd because of the big /data partition.
Furthermore, as far as i know the difference between a2sd and a2sd+ is the following:
a2sd: only apps will be moved to sd card
a2sd+: apps and cache will be moved to sd card.
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that is true indeed, but insertcoin gb cm7 used a2sd while the stock hboot uses a2sd+. I was talking specifically for these roms , not for cm7, but the cm7 hboot gingersense roms
Hi
Does a rom exist which features gingerbread 2.3 and sense UI which doesn't require a custom hboot or a partitioned SD card. I.e. will run from a fully standard rooted htc desire?
If so what is it called, if not will someone briefly explain what the extra partition is required for?
thank you
Jim
dont know if there is one without need of an ext partition.
But its very usefull!
Why you need it?
Because, Dev's have moved files from the system to the partition on the sd.
In most cases you gain much more space for apps.
If you want to know more, search the wiki or forum for : a2sd, data2sd, data2ext, and so on.
its very easy to do, but safe all your data on the sd before!
only thing you need is a 500+ free space on your sd-card
if you have a linux, you only need to install gparted
else
start a linux-livecd of your choice(maybe Gparted-livecd)
Insert your Sd into a Cardreader
if you already use gparted, its easy, there will be an fat 32 partition
click resize and move the right slider so you gain about 500mb-1gb free space
now click into the gray area and click new
than partition as ext (would suggest ext-3 (best suported))
you should be done
now you can try roms wich need ext-partition
good luck
You can run roms with standard hboot but you need an ext partition purely because you will install about 3 apps and you will run out of space. That's why they make it mandatory to have.
Jim Mc said:
Hi
Does a rom exist which features gingerbread 2.3 and sense UI which doesn't require a custom hboot or a partitioned SD card. I.e. will run from a fully standard rooted htc desire?
If so what is it called, if not will someone briefly explain what the extra partition is required for?
thank you
Jim
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Now that you know why you need EXT partition here is 1 of many tutorials how to do it:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9580475&postcount=2
you need 1 Fat32 partition followed by 1 EXT4 partition (recommended by most developers 1GB if you want to use sense 3.0 goodies).
I have the same question: which ROM actually gives you gingerbread and sense 3.0 at the same time? There is no problem with partitioned SD-card.
So far I have found this post from Cool Kingdom, which seems (from comments) great:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1040121
havn't tried it yet, but just wondering if there is anything to choose from?
PS: is there a way to partition my SD card without card reader, just using the phone itself?
Thanks a lot
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PS: is there a way to partition my SD card without card reader, just using the phone itself?
Thanks a lot
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New versions of ClockworkMod Recovery can do it under Advanced/Partition SD.
You can install InsertCoin - it's a great gingerbread and sense 3.0 rom. I've been using it for over a month and it's great.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1016940
About the ext partition - I think it's a must. You'll get plenty of space for apps...
Looking at the Cool Kingdom rom on youtube, it seems pretty laggy in comparison to the InsertCoin rom I have installed on my desire. InsertCoin seems to be more optimised I find, but you'll need to install the nightly version to have 3D widgets and the 3D homescreen.
Hi!
I would know it's better A2SD, A2SD+ or DATA++ in relation of a Class 2 SD (4 GB included in Desire).
Thanks in advance.
Since the Data++ version is claimed to fit in a 90MB /sytem partition, I assume that in this version a large part of the ROM has been moved to the sd-ext. This allows you to use a smaller /system and hence have a larger /data partition (hence the name). I'm not sure (because I've only read the first couple of posts, nothing more) whether the Data++ also includes a2sd, or just assumes you will keep your apps in the enlarged data partition. It's probably in the LeeDroid thread somewhere.
If you are not S-Off then it's easy - you want the a2sd version, no argument.
If you are, and are using a custom mtd or an alpharev table with a small /system, large /data, you could try Data++. Which is better will depend on which works best for you (in terms of speed, number of apps you need to install). I've never used either, so cannot offer any experience there.
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Source: http://androidforums.com/desire-all-things-root/372688-whats-difference-between-data-a2sd.html
So, the data++ script uses the ext3 partition more than the a2sd/a2sd+ layout (only difference between a2sd/a2sd+ is that with a2sd+ the dalvik cache will also be moved to sd-ext). If you sd card is too slow, there could occur perfomance problems. But I used an class 2 sd card with a2sd+ myself and never had perfomance problems. So I would say it's your choice.
The speed of sd card actually becomes really important if you want to use data2sd (aka data2ext).
I have the HTC Evo 4G. I am currently rooted and I am running the latest FreshEvo rom.
As of recent I have been getting the low-space error on my phone. I really do not have much installed and I use Apps2SD.
I am considering swapping to a new ROM today or tomorrow.
My question is: When do I need to partition the SDcard?
With Gingerbread or Sense 3.0?
I am hoping I was supposed to have to do it before upgrading to Fresh's ROM because I find it hard to believe I am actually low on space.
Thanks for the input guys!
I have never used Fresh Roms, so as far as that goes, I don't know, but you partition your SD card when you want to use a script like DTA2SD that will install all of your downloaded apps to the SD card.
It is recommended that the SD card be at least a class 4, but I have used a class 2, and most apps run fine.
It doesn't really matter when you partition the card, if the rom you are using has a built in a2sd, it should automatically detect the partition, and transfer all apps to the sdcard upon first, maybe second boot. If the rom uses DTA2SD, you can go to the terminal emulator and type "a2sd reinstall", or maybe "a2sd install" I can't remember which at the moment. That will reset everything, and move all downloaded apps to the sd.
When you partition your card I recommend you wipe dalvik, though it is not necessary.
Cool! Thank you very much.
I've been partitioned on every ROM since I first discovered DT A2SD months and months ago....
It's really the only way to go.
I'm going to be partitioning my SD tonight as well. I've been getting the low space notification too, as the new Flash program is something like 17 MB of space, and I'm not giving up my Sense that easily. Hopefully all goes smoothly.
Just remember that you will lose ALL information on the SDCard when you partition, so back it up first!
Also, remember to upgrade to ext3 after the initial partitioning.
Bringing this back up.
I did the partition correctly. I tried a new ROM and I really dislike it.
I want to use another ROM but it does not have the Apps2SD (Baked-in) how would I go about using Fresh's ROM but get the Apps2SD thing to work on the entire ROM?
Hello!
Could someone please tell me if it's worth making the jump to x-part from a2sd+, and if so how do I do this please?
Many thanks!
I use X-Part, and the main reason I do, because the system recognizes the whole EXT partition as Internal, so more applications can be installed. Also others said, that x-part has less bugs.
To change simply download the X-Part version of the ROM and flash it. Full wipe needed AFAIK.
Tuffcheez said:
Hello!
Could someone please tell me if it's worth making the jump to x-part from a2sd+, and if so how do I do this please?
Many thanks!
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I did that yesterday without a glitch. A2sd+ isnt recognize my ext4 partition and I just download d2ext xpart, wipe, wipe, wipe..and install new rom. Now its showing 0.9gb of internal memory and working lightspeed fast. Just noticed higher battery usage than average.
Thanks! Going to give it a try. Just one more thing, my 16gb sd card is partitioned like this..
1.Primary- fat 32 - The rest
2.Primary- ext 3 - 1 GB
3.Primary- linux-swap - around 100 MB
Can I leave it like this, just do a full wipe and then flash the rom?
Cheers.
I think not. Rom will recognize your ext3 partition and will include it into installation (remove apps to sd on first boot, i think) and it will continue to use it. put some old, one partition (fat32) sd card into phone and try to install rom.
Please use the Q&A Forum for questions Thanks
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Ok...I can now confirm it's worth the jump!
Miui XJ d2ext x-part is brilliant, and superfast!
I reformatted my 16GB sd with fat 32 + 1GB ext4 partition. I now have tons of space, with no fear of shrinking internal storage, and it's very fast compared to the a2sd+ XJ version.
I have been told in another forum that the speed increase is a placebo effect, and most likely a figment of my imagination, and apparently X-part quadrant scores mean diddly squat. It's a great placebo effect though!