hi, i was just wondering if someone can tell me the benefit of cm7 over a2sd please, im S-OFF so no problems changing, but just wanted to know the differences. and also which is better, insertcoin or rcmix??
cheers.
I think I read a possible speed increase with cm7
Different system partition sizes..
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ok so what the big deal about the system partition being bigger.. what does that mean in real world case?
In the a2sd apps and dalvik are on sd because there is no much space
In cm7, apps are on SD ,but dalvik cache is on internal.
Dalvik is the virtual machine that runs on android to provide that java environment(behind that is Linux). Also internal memory is faster on read/write even from a class 10 SD card. That way we take advantage of the internals speed , which makes the Rom a lot faster. Also since the ext partition is used only for apps, there is more space available for more apps than a2sd
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Cm7 does not officially support a2sd. Even if you have an ext partition on sd card, you also have to run a special script or program(strange issues occur here sometimes). This is why it's recommened to have cm7 hboot when you run cm7 rom, because with cm7 hboot you do not need a2sd because of the big /data partition.
Furthermore, as far as i know the difference between a2sd and a2sd+ is the following:
a2sd: only apps will be moved to sd card
a2sd+: apps and cache will be moved to sd card.
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In the a2sd apps and dalvik are on sd because there is no much space
In cm7, apps are on SD ,but dalvik cache is on internal.
Dalvik is the virtual machine that runs on android to provide that java environment(behind that is Linux). Also internal memory is faster on read/write even from a class 10 SD card. That way we take advantage of the internals speed , which makes the Rom a lot faster. Also since the ext partition is used only for apps, there is more space available for more apps than a2sd
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So. if we're in cm7, it would defeat the purpose if we use mcr scripts to move dalvik cache to sd? It's just that I noticed an increase in internal storage space. Is that not a good thing?
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Cm7 does not officially support a2sd. Even if you have an ext partition on sd card, you also have to run a special script or program(strange issues occur here sometimes). This is why it's recommened to have cm7 hboot when you run cm7 rom, because with cm7 hboot you do not need a2sd because of the big /data partition.
Furthermore, as far as i know the difference between a2sd and a2sd+ is the following:
a2sd: only apps will be moved to sd card
a2sd+: apps and cache will be moved to sd card.
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that is true indeed, but insertcoin gb cm7 used a2sd while the stock hboot uses a2sd+. I was talking specifically for these roms , not for cm7, but the cm7 hboot gingersense roms
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guys, how can i move my dalvik-cache to my sd card?
my rom rom supports a2sd+ but for some reason it's still in the phones internal memory.
thanks
i need help too..
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i need help with this too
just instal AceS v1 from coolex and free internal phone mem is only 28MB
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guys, how can i move my dalvik-cache to my sd card?
my rom rom supports a2sd+ but for some reason it's still in the phones internal memory.
thanks
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have you partitioned your sd card correctly?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=SD_card_partitioning
check your roms original thread to see what sort of partition you need.
which ROM do you have... and was A2SD+ part of the ROM, or sth you added?
I think I read somewhere that some A2SD+ implementations don't move the Dalvik cache over to SD. The (easiest) method to add dalvik to SD likely depends on the A2SD implementation.
Use S2E , download it from Market.
thanks.
what is better for a2SD, ony ext3 or ext3 and swap???
The a2sd script in Cool's AceS v1 does move the dalvik cache to the sd card, so most likely the card isn't formatted correctly. I suggest you use gparted or a similar tool to format your card like this: first the FAT partition, then the ext 2/3 one (note that some roms require you to have an ext 4 partition, but this is not the case of AceS; anyway, make sure you read the thread thoroughly before flashing). Also, make sure the ext partition is no larger than 2048 MB (i.e. 2 GB), since you might experience market problems. Swap is not used by most roms you'll want to flash these days, so don't worry about it too much, unless the thread mentions so.
Just to mention, S2E is only for cyanogen mod, as it's stated in the app's description, so don't use it with other roms (which have other a2sd scripts). Also, before formatting, don't forget to backup your data
Good luck!
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Hello guys!
i'm new here just want to say that it's probably the best site for modding.
I have a desire with Ginger sense ROM.
Link2sd is free on the market. Uses ext and fat partitions. I have link2sd on my Kyocera Zio m6000 which only has a total of 180mb in data and I have 137mb free. Link2sd allows you to create a symbolic link for app data dalvik-cache and lib files of the app you want to move to SD. Plus with the symbolic links you get to keep your Widgets.
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Dalvik Cache will take up space on "Internal storage" by default on some A2SD + ROMs, but it can be moved
You can move this by running "terminal emulator" from the market and typing:
Code:
su
a2sd cachesd
or with adb:
Code:
adb shell
a2sd cachesd
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please note that davebugyi's suggestion only works if you're using the Darktremor a2sd script
whats the difrance betwen A2SDand A2SD+
A2SD - default android; some parts still remain in internal memory after moving
A2SD+ - script; All of the files moved to the EXT partition of your SD Card.
A2SD+ doesn't move everything. I believe it does move more than android A2SD but the most important differences are:
All apps are moved automaticly to ext partition.
Dalvik cache is also moved
Apps on the ext partition will still have widgets enable.
Apps will work when sd is mounted.
And the stuff I forget.
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i just partition my sd card with amonra recovery 2.0.1 woth details:
32 mb swap
1024 mb ext2
ext2 upgrade to ext3
so...what does above mean? is it a2sd ready or a2sd+ ready?
You can use both of them. The difference is that a2sd+ also moves dalvik cache to ext partition.
Both of them have nothing to do with froyo apps2sd which moves parts of the apps to fat-partition. When you use a2sd or a2sd+ you shouldn't use the froyo one.
And a swap partition is not recommended
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You can use both of them. The difference is that a2sd+ also moves dalvik cache to ext partition.
Both of them have nothing to do with froyo apps2sd which moves parts of the apps to fat-partition. When you use a2sd or a2sd+ you shouldn't use the froyo one.
And a swap partition is not recommended
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thanks...i will re-partition to 0 mb swap...
I have just installed insercoin 1.0.7 and i want to know that does Darktremor Apps2SD works with this tom???
If not then how can i move data and cache to SD???
Darktremors a2sd won't work with insertcoin.
To use a2sd, you have to download the a2sd version of insertcoin. But before flashing, partition your sd card:
http://insertcoin.baadnwz.eu/wiki/Apps/Data_2_SD/EXT
Now flash insertcoin a2sd. I think now all apps you install should be moved to sd card (does not matter wether they are programmed for this or not). But i could not find a script, which moves dalvik cache to sd. So the internal memory will still gets fulled. Furthermore, not all parts of the apps will be moved to sd ext, a small "stays" in internal memory.
If you want to move nearly all data on your sd, you need the data++ rom of insertcoin. How to get used to it:
http://insertcoin.baadnwz.eu/wiki/InsertIcon_Data++_RoM
Thanks MatDrOiD!!
looking to install over 150 apps, any ROM recommendations?
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You can do it with pretty much every ROM which supports cm7r2 hboot + a2sd solution. (apps + dalvik on SD)
Or basically any ROM with int2ext+ though it has some impact on performance.
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You can do it with pretty much every ROM which supports cm7r2 hboot + a2sd solution. (apps + dalvik on SD)
Or basically any ROM with int2ext+ though it has some impact on performance.
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@k3lcior: I do not understand the difference between a2sd (apps + dalvik) and int2ext+. They both would free up the same amount of space I guess. Is the diff in internal implementation? Is there a diff in performance?
A2sd + dalvik2sd only moves apps and dalvik cache to sd-ext, leaving data on internal, therefore being faster.
Int2sd+ mounts sd-ext as /data, and moves all data to sd, being slower, depending on your sd-card. Usually class 4 or above cards recommended here.
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A2sd + dalvik2sd only moves apps and dalvik cache to sd-ext, leaving data on internal, therefore being faster.
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It is dalvik cache that impacts performance. Whether you leave app-data on internal or no matters not.
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Yea...but still, int2sd+ is slower.
Almost every rom can do that. Latest rom based on oxygen like Nikez have all on ext except data, so you have 2 GB internal memory if proper pre-configured, no need to move anything to SD just install them and don`t touch. how to do that:
To enable Apps2Sdext and/or Data2SdExt visit Settings|Applications|Development. ((((My suggestion is don`t enable Data2SdExt! that can be slow)))
To set the default installation partition go to Settings|Applications. (set SD-EXT) If you already installed some soft just wait on next boot until phone move them to ext...
To move applications from sd-ext|sdcard|internal Settings|Applications|Manage Applications.
There is no Dalvik2SdExt because .dex will follow the location of the apk, so if you install an application on sd-ext the dex will be on sd-ext, the same applys for internal or sdcard.
Do not use A2sd scripts.
and yes widgets, launchers and all can be installed to SDEXT....
Than use some app to disable programs you don`t want to start on boot or you memory will be low after you install 100+ apps..
When you do all that you can have easy 250+ apps with no memory lag in your phone. Just don`t install too many resident background programs like FB, Whatsup Viber etc, than your battery will be drained in ~24 hours... Install just what you need, but games you can install like unlimited
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Latest rom based on oxygen like Nikez
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Nikez's JB rom is not based on Oxygen. The only thing Oxygen and that rom have in common is that they are both made on a computer.
ok. got it.. What is int2ext+ then? I did get a class 10 card to try these things out, but various threads give differing opinions about what is best.
Is there a consensus?
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A2sd + dalvik2sd only moves apps and dalvik cache to sd-ext, leaving data on internal, therefore being faster.
Int2sd+ mounts sd-ext as /data, and moves all data to sd, being slower, depending on your sd-card. Usually class 4 or above cards recommended here.
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Class 2-2mb/s *<Sequential>* write speed
Class 4-4mb/s
And soo on
Class 10-10mb/s
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Sequential write speed.
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What I meant is.. is there consensus on whether to use a2sd, int2sd+, int2ext+, etc... There seem to be so many ways to save space.
Every script does a different thing. It depends on how much space you need.
Roms from Droidzone have many internal memory!
Hello Folks,
Now a days we have a lot of methods to fix space lack in desire phone.
Which one is the best for you?
AD2SD?
INT2SD?
APP2SD?
LINK2SD?
Any other?
Whatever the ROM uses. They all do basically the same thing - move stuff to your Ext partition to free space on phone.
except INT2SD, it converts ur ext partition into internal memory (data partition, so yh pretty much the same) but only a few roms have it
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except INT2SD, it converts ur ext partition into internal memory (data partition, so yh pretty much the same) but only a few roms have it
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I'm trying to use INT2SD but its been hard to get this working.
INT2SD comes pre-installed in some roms. how r u trying to install it? or what rom r ya trying to flash?
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INT2SD comes pre-installed in some roms. how r u trying to install it? or what rom r ya trying to flash?
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I choice RunnyMod 7.02 thats came with INT2SD and AD2SDX, but both of them i'm not able to use it.
I hv CM7r2 HBOOT and it is recognized in Amarullz setup, also, i hv a 3GB SD Ext4 partition.
The main problem is, the script setup says that my device does not support both of them.
So, my question is, if INT2SD is better than others, I'll try to fix this, but if is pretty much the same, I wont try.
And the last not least, I cant post in dev forum, so cant explain my problem there!!!
Thanks
3gb ext partition is too big. 1gb - 1.5gb max is the recommended. maybe that is the problem
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3gb ext partition is too big. 1gb - 1.5gb max is the recommended
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I Just resize with Gparted and didnt work.
do you think my SD need to align? or Gparted does itself.
tks
never used gparted, always 4ext recovery and it does the job perfect
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You dont need 3gb ext4 partition. Make it 1 gb, it is more than sufficient.
I have used APPS2SD and INT2SD both. But i like INT2SD more as it doesn't slow down my memory card and it allows me to install more apps.:fingers-crossed:
Int2sd the best, cause all other methods lacks of memory after ~100 apps installed.
Now I have got Elk759 JB 0.37.1 with Int2SD-S/
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Int2sd the best, cause all other methods lacks of memory after ~100 apps installed.
Now I have got Elk759 JB 0.37.1 with Int2SD-S/
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u got elks JB with INT2SD-S?? How the hell did u manage that?
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i felt that a2sd was faster than int2sd. it might be because i have a slow sd card. a2sd can be set to leave some parts on the internal memory keeping those parts faster
From what I understand (and while not very new to this, I am not an expert or a developer) there are three partitions that are restricted inside the internal ROM: apps, data, cache
People seem to agree that moving data to sd slows down the phone, so they tend to keep it in the internal memory. So the main difference between the scripts is if the move the data to sd or not. I think with most modern ones, this is an option and can be enabled or disabled.
As others said, int2sd or int2ext follows a different approach, but I think the principles and end result are the same.
I like the roms that apart from installing the script that runs at startup, they provide the control script that you can run from the terminal and check the status or enable/disable features after installing it.
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there are three partitions that are restricted inside the internal ROM: apps, data, cache
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/system
/data
/cache
vmpsr said:
People seem to agree that moving data to sd slows down the phone, so they tend to keep it in the internal memory. So the main difference between the scripts is if the move the data to sd or not. I think with most modern ones, this is an option and can be enabled or disabled.
As others said, int2sd or int2ext follows a different approach, but I think the principles and end result are the same.
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Moving dalvik cache to sd slows the phone down, everything else can be moved.
I prefer a2sd.
Depends on ROM, mostly
Most ROM devs already indicate a perference for a2sd scripts. If I recall correctly, the first AOKP builds needed m2sd, PA prefers INT2EXT and most GB ROMs used a2sd.
As for speed, try to keep app data on internal memory. Anything else can be moved. Dalvik-cache is mostly taking up half of the internal memory, so an excellent candidate to move.
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Most ROM devs already indicate a perference for a2sd scripts. If I recall correctly, the first AOKP builds needed m2sd, PA prefers INT2EXT and most GB ROMs used a2sd.
As for speed, try to keep app data on internal memory. Anything else can be moved. Dalvik-cache is mostly taking up half of the internal memory, so an excellent candidate to move.
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Do you suggest to keep Dalvik-cache on internal memory or SD ?
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Do you suggest to keep Dalvik-cache on internal memory or SD ?
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Move dalvik and app on external, keep data on internal.
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Move dalvik and app on external, keep data on internal.
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Thanks