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My mom wants me to come to Verizon on her family plan, as I look at the phone selection nothing really interest me. The upcoming thunderbolt is much to big and I wont purchase any motorola device. I was going to get this on a one year contract, and then by the end up of the year, I'm sure there will be something out, that I will like, or should i just suck it up and buy a thunderbolt, since I do live in an LTE Area.
Forgot to add some details.
I am switching because i don't get t mobile service on my universitys campus.
I am a nexus one, if that matters at all.
Thanks
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Only VZW and HTC can say when the Incredible will go EOL. That being said, even if it goes EOL tomorrow, its functionality isn't going to decrease. You don't stand to lose much, if anything at all, by picking it up on a one year contract.
Conversely, there are some pretty compelling reasons (for some) to go with the Thunderbolt... better cpu, faster gpu, HTC Sense 2.0, DLNA, SVDO, et al.
Not known what isn't known
Yep - these new devices look/sound superb - for the future.
For now, a one-year contract the DInc is hard to beat - IF you are interested in modding/tweaking.
Why?
Until the new devices are released, rooted, and have an interested and solid group of innovative developers, they'll be mostly stock devices, with unknown mod choices.
The DInc has nearly a year's worth of development in the books, and the mods to show for it.
So, if you want a device with a solid bench of developers and flock of mods, the DInc is the way to go. If ya wanna run the latest/greatest device that's cool too, but the modification choices will be fewer until the development community catches up.
just my $.02
It's already been leaked that the Incred is going EOL on 3/31.
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It's already been leaked that the Incred is going EOL on 3/31.
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good info, thanks. Even so, I still have my warranty, and I am getting a thunderbolt or bionic if its unlocked. idk if i can go outside HTC. They treat me well. and Verizon. They do ok.
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Yep - these new devices look/sound superb - for the future.
For now, a one-year contract the DInc is hard to beat - IF you are interested in modding/tweaking.
Why?
Until the new devices are released, rooted, and have an interested and solid group of innovative developers, they'll be mostly stock devices, with unknown mod choices.
The DInc has nearly a year's worth of development in the books, and the mods to show for it.
So, if you want a device with a solid bench of developers and flock of mods, the DInc is the way to go. If ya wanna run the latest/greatest device that's cool too, but the modification choices will be fewer until the development community catches up.
just my $.02
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Yeah this is what keeps the incredible interesting it my not have the specs, but it has a solid dev community.
*sigh*
The DInc will never die!
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I'm just pointing out what feels like the elephant in the room here. Excuse me if I'm out of line.
I bought a Play coming from the HTC Eris (CDMA Hero), and the Eris is an amazing phone. I still lurk on the forums (and really sad it got shuffled, but out with the old, in with the new.) The community there really extended its life far beyond what Verizon gave it (it officially died with 2.1, but right now mine is running CM7 2.3.7.) Overall it was a great community to get introduced to Android with, and I'm very appreciative of all the devs that worked hard to make the Eris experience much, much more amazing.
So, I purchased my R800x in October, and I was excited. New phone, new community; I was really pumped to see what everyone here was cooking up. But we seem to be stuck in a holding pattern of some sort. I can definitely see there are a lot of talented people very eager to dev and cook up roms, but I'm finding the same loop everywhere: "Can we unlock bootloaders yet" maybe "CM7?" no.
Now, I don't expect anyone to do anything simply because this is here. That's not the point of the question. The question is (twofold): Why is there no open source boot loader unlock for all Xperia Plays? I went through the dev forum archives and can't really find anything concrete as to why phones like the R800x don't have one. And if there is an issue (or even if there is not), how can I help? I want to get involved. I don't have much experience with unlocking bootloaders, but I have gone through the Android source, and feel I'm moderately familiar with how Android works.
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I'm just pointing out what feels like the elephant in the room here. Excuse me if I'm out of line.
I bought a Play coming from the HTC Eris (CDMA Hero), and the Eris is an amazing phone. I still lurk on the forums (and really sad it got shuffled, but out with the old, in with the new.) The community there really extended its life far beyond what Verizon gave it (it officially died with 2.1, but right now mine is running CM7 2.3.7.) Overall it was a great community to get introduced to Android with, and I'm very appreciative of all the devs that worked hard to make the Eris experience much, much more amazing.
So, I purchased my R800x in October, and I was excited. New phone, new community; I was really pumped to see what everyone here was cooking up. But we seem to be stuck in a holding pattern of some sort. I can definitely see there are a lot of talented people very eager to dev and cook up roms, but I'm finding the same loop everywhere: "Can we unlock bootloaders yet" maybe "CM7?" no.
Now, I don't expect anyone to do anything simply because this is here. That's not the point of the question. The question is (twofold): Why is there no open source boot loader unlock for all Xperia Plays? I went through the dev forum archives and can't really find anything concrete as to why phones like the R800x don't have one. And if there is an issue (or even if there is not), how can I help? I want to get involved. I don't have much experience with unlocking bootloaders, but I have gone through the Android source, and feel I'm moderately familiar with how Android works.
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Same here, i was introduced brilliantly into the community when i bought my galaxy s, the development page was packed everyday of different stuff, with the play no ones trying.... but some people are. You can unlock your boot loader but it does cost a small amount of money, check the development section. Im 14 & don't really have a paypal account so i can't unlock mine either lol. We can't really help, were just 2 people out of 7,000,000,000 :L
People, the fact that the Play has few devs behind it is simple: sales. The Play has been a big flop. That is the mere reason why we're left with little support in comparison to other phones. Forget locked or unlocked bootloaders, open or closed operative systems or whatever, it's not relevant: if a phone/tablet/whatever sells well, it will be tinkered with. Commercial developers want money, amateurs are glory hounds eager to be like Darky or Geohot, and some just want to help selflessly, but the motivations of the three have sales as the common point.
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People, the fact that the Play has few devs behind it is simple: sales. The Play has been a big flop. That is the mere reason why we're left with little support in comparison to other phones. Forget locked or unlocked bootloaders, open or closed operative systems or whatever, it's not relevant: if a phone/tablet/whatever sells well, it will be tinkered with. Commercial developers want money, amateurs are glory hounds eager to be like Darky or Geohot, and some just want to help selflessly, but the motivations of the three have sales as the common point.
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Well its the best thing that ever happened in mobile gaming, compared to n gage anyway lol
I came from an Eris as well, handed it down to my niece, she is still using with 2.3.7.
I got my play back in June. In early August a dev named ashergray did figure out how to unlock the bootloader. Mine was one of the first 5-10 that they did. Lucky for me, it was free.
I am not sure if the devs involved were contacted by verizon, i think i read that somewhere, but they stopped doing it.
Right now theres a guy doing it for like 20 bucks. Kinda sucks but whatever.
Your not missing all that much yet, right now I am running Doom Kernel with the UK generic firmware. Its better then stock verizon, but not by leaps and bounds.
I think the noted difference between this community and the Eris community, is that the Eris was one of the first driod phones and it was dirt F'n cheap! Now that verizon has this going for 50 bucks, maybe we will get an increase in our community and dev population.
Oh and in general, gamers are arrogant assholes. You will see alot of that in here too.
Who would I contact about unlocking the bootloader on my R800x? I am willing to Donate to get it done. Thanks.
Check in the Development section
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I came from an Eris as well, handed it down to my niece, she is still using with 2.3.7.
I got my play back in June. In early August a dev named ashergray did figure out how to unlock the bootloader. Mine was one of the first 5-10 that they did. Lucky for me, it was free.
I am not sure if the devs involved were contacted by verizon, i think i read that somewhere, but they stopped doing it.
Right now theres a guy doing it for like 20 bucks. Kinda sucks but whatever.
Your not missing all that much yet, right now I am running Doom Kernel with the UK generic firmware. Its better then stock verizon, but not by leaps and bounds.
I think the noted difference between this community and the Eris community, is that the Eris was one of the first driod phones and it was dirt F'n cheap! Now that verizon has this going for 50 bucks, maybe we will get an increase in our community and dev population.
Oh and in general, gamers are arrogant assholes. You will see alot of that in here too.
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The way we got our early unlock was through a workaround in Sony Ericsson's standard unlock web interface. R800i gets a free bootloader unlock from Sony themselves. All you need is your IMEI number, go to their website, and type it in. It give you an unlock code and instructions on how to use it.
R800x doesn't have an IMEI, it has an MEID. The website wouldn't accept numbers with a letter in it (imei are all numbers). However, it was only the form on the website that filtered the input. Ashergrey found a way to feed the MEID directly to the unlocking program, and he was able to produce unlock codes. Sony eventually caught wind of this exploit and patched their website so now there's no free workaround to unlock.
The guy who you have to pay to unlock is allejandrissimo. You only have to pay to unlock because he has to buy credits for a sony ericsson program to do the unlocks. He is charging for the amount of the credits. This is currently the only way to do a bootloader unlock.
And honestly, this phone isn't selling well because it really isn't that great a phone. The controller is brilliant, don't get me wrong, but its a single core device with 384 meg of ram and maybe 512 of internal storage that came out at the same time as the droid x2 and similar devices, with 16 GIG of internal storage and 512 to 1GIG of ram, plus dual core to boot. And it came out at the same pricepoint. Seriously, my wife has a droid2 global, and its has 2 GIG of internal storage.
If xperia play had come out 6 months earlier, it would have been a big hit. Sony botched this one because, like most of their corporate marketing, they believe that the gamer portion of their population is stupid and will buy anything with the "playstation" name attached to it. Need I remind you of the initial PS3 marketing strategies? I almost didn't buy this phone because of the bad rep Sony had with me, related to how they treated their PS3 customers. Ultimately, my inner gamer won out.
Here's to hoping for an xperia play 2 that's got a decent screen, decent internal memory, and decent ram.
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The way we got our early unlock was through a workaround in Sony Ericsson's standard unlock web interface. R800i gets a free bootloader unlock from Sony themselves. All you need is your IMEI number, go to their website, and type it in. It give you an unlock code and instructions on how to use it.
R800x doesn't have an IMEI, it has an MEID. The website wouldn't accept numbers with a letter in it (imei are all numbers). However, it was only the form on the website that filtered the input. Ashergrey found a way to feed the MEID directly to the unlocking program, and he was able to produce unlock codes. Sony eventually caught wind of this exploit and patched their website so now there's no free workaround to unlock.
The guy who you have to pay to unlock is allejandrissimo. You only have to pay to unlock because he has to buy credits for a sony ericsson program to do the unlocks. He is charging for the amount of the credits. This is currently the only way to do a bootloader unlock.
And honestly, this phone isn't selling well because it really isn't that great a phone. The controller is brilliant, don't get me wrong, but its a single core device with 384 meg of ram and maybe 512 of internal storage that came out at the same time as the droid x2 and similar devices, with 16 GIG of internal storage and 512 to 1GIG of ram, plus dual core to boot. And it came out at the same pricepoint. Seriously, my wife has a droid2 global, and its has 2 GIG of internal storage.
If xperia play had come out 6 months earlier, it would have been a big hit. Sony botched this one because, like most of their corporate marketing, they believe that the gamer portion of their population is stupid and will buy anything with the "playstation" name attached to it. Need I remind you of the initial PS3 marketing strategies? I almost didn't buy this phone because of the bad rep Sony had with me, related to how they treated their PS3 customers. Ultimately, my inner gamer won out.
Here's to hoping for an xperia play 2 that's got a decent screen, decent internal memory, and decent ram.
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You have a point with the ram and Internal Storage, but Single core devices aren't really needed yet, Look at Dead space, GTA and other high graphic games, Off course it would be nice to have a Dual core but imo the xperia play could have been better if they put more into it (HDMI, Better screen...)
I agree that in reality it isn't a big deal. But with consumer products, perception drives reality. The phone was seen as being "lesser", and thus doesn't sell well.
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You have a point with the ram and Internal Storage, but Single core devices aren't really needed yet, Look at Dead space, GTA and other high graphic games, Off course it would be nice to have a Dual core but imo the xperia play could have been better if they put more into it (HDMI, Better screen...)
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Dual core or not , it's still among the best , but remember no games or even softwares are near being made for dual core devices anyways . All made the same some optimum (HD) for certain ones i.e Xperia play among others. And so far as the HDMI it's believed it's built-in , just not user friendly with current update .
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But all in all, I love this post because even I said the same, the xperia is the only android todate that's a pain in the rear about everything , simple things are gigntic with it. I remember the G1 could even install recovery from it's own terminal emulator , seriously , even the G1 could do such a basic function , but you turn left or right , it's the same excuses everywhere it seems no one really knowing anything
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Lolwat? You think the xplay is complicated? It's really not that bad, in comparison to some others.
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I've compiled a whole thread about the whole resources at your disposal about rooting, unlocking, flashing stuff, and so on; I've asked mods to make it a sticky thread without an answer of any kind; and now recently I've been reading more and more comments about how "nobody knows anything concrete" or "there are no threads about this stuff".
I give up. It's just pointless.
*edit* it seems that my query to the mood never went to them. I'm quite puzzled about the why.
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Lolwat? You think the xplay is complicated? It's really not that bad, in comparison to some others.
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I don't think , I KNOW , and it's common knowledge , hence this thread , plus I'm sure you've poked around as well , so you must,know. Locked bootloaders etc to name a few.
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People, the fact that the Play has few devs behind it is simple: sales. The Play has been a big flop. That is the mere reason why we're left with little support in comparison to other phones. Forget locked or unlocked bootloaders, open or closed operative systems or whatever, it's not relevant: if a phone/tablet/whatever sells well, it will be tinkered with. Commercial developers want money, amateurs are glory hounds eager to be like Darky or Geohot, and some just want to help selflessly, but the motivations of the three have sales as the common point.
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Agree with ya logseman big time
I also agree this phone is a good gamer phone.
but I also agree that the community or lack of one is really disappointing since I came from droid X community. there was so much going on there and compared to this its like comparing night to day.
Still , it's pathetic , because other phones even with a huge marketing profits weren't as hard nor complicated as the Zeus, I.E G1 , though it was a commercial success it still wasn't a pain to do anything , fact of the matter is , with or without development , the Zeus is still "roadblocked" compared to other androids which a newbie could easily.tweak.
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Still , it's pathetic , because other phones even with a huge marketing profits weren't as hard nor complicated as the Zeus, I.E G1 , though it was a commercial success it still wasn't a pain to do anything , fact of the matter is , with or without development , the Zeus is still "roadblocked" compared to other androids which a newbie could easily.tweak.
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I haven't linked ease of modding and sales in any way. I'm just saying that if a phone is successful in the market, it will be modded. The big name Galaxies are ROM whores that you can Sim unlock for free and they have lots of roms, tweaks and stuff... But then the iThings are very hard to mod yet they have huge quantities of stuff for jailbroken units.
Maemo phones were really easy to mod, webOS devices were seemingly hard to break, and both have little content in comparison to the former two.
It boils down to sales: we as users gamble on the popularity of a device: Galaxies and iThings have millions and millions of users, while maemo and webOS have only thousands.
So I have been checking the web constantly for the Ion release date. Though I have yet to find something concrete, something caught my eye yesterday. I did a google search for Xperia Ion and when the description came up for Sony's website, it said "Coming in June only from AT&T." Well I did the same search this morning so I could take a screen shot of what I saw and now the description says, "Coming Soon only from AT&T." I bet what I saw was accidentally put in the meta description then taken down. Hope this is correct. I'm due for upgrade in June and I really want the Ion. The One X is my second choice, but I really want that HDMI out!
Hope someone here has some inside information.
I figured out if you continuously hit refresh, the ad description updates. Here's the screenshot.
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I figured out if you continuously hit refresh, the ad description updates. Here's the screenshot.
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Congrats,
this post made it to phandroid and android police
http://phandroid.com/2012/05/07/google-ad-reveals-june-launch-for-atts-sony-xperia-ion/
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...nd-announcement-ion-may-be-launching-in-june/
[EDIT] Also Pocketnow, ubergizmo, TechGeer and others
S3 CPU and Gingerbread? No thanks. Sony should at least have had an.S4 to appeal better vs phones like the One X and SGS3. Average consumer will prolly be swayed my the mp count but still, it should have been better overall
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S3 CPU and Gingerbread? No thanks. Sony should at least have had an.S4 to appeal better vs phones like the One X and SGS3. Average consumer will prolly be swayed my the mp count but still, it should have been better overall
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I disagree, partially. I really wished Sony would learn from previous experience and wouldn't be late to the quadcore party or at least come up with a 2012 SoC during 2012, but in the other hand some people will prefer the design and camera over other ubiquitous phones by other manufacturers.
Glad to see someone out there cares about this phone. I honestly expect the 4.0 update to be ready within a month of the release of the phone. I can't stand touchwiz or sense. I'm using a captivate atm. I immediately flashed a rom to get rid of touchwiz. I however have my x10 running wolf breaks tweaked stock 2.3 rom because I actually like the Sony UI. Besides, no phone on the market will have a camera comparable to the ion. 1.5ghz dual core seems like plenty of fire power for me. My captivate is smooth with ICS and a single core, don't see how the Sony won't do just as well, especially after the ICS update. The One X is my backup plan, but I really want that ION!
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Glad to see someone out there cares about this phone. I honestly expect the 4.0 update to be ready within a month of the release of the phone. I can't stand touchwiz or sense. I'm using a captivate atm. I immediately flashed a rom to get rid of touchwiz. I however have my x10 running wolf breaks tweaked stock 2.3 rom because I actually like the Sony UI. Besides, no phone on the market will have a camera comparable to the ion. 1.5ghz dual core seems like plenty of fire power for me. My captivate is smooth with ICS and a single core, don't see how the Sony won't do just as well, especially after the ICS update. The One X is my backup plan, but I really want that ION!
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I wouldn't recommend HTC, their build quality and service are not comparable to Samsung, Apple or Sony.
Sammy always has the hottest hardware but their phones look plasticky and Touchwiz is not my taste. Matter of personal choices.
I'm currently using the Arc with ICS update.
Wow. That phone almost makes me want to go back to AT&T. GBs not that big of a deal, hopefully devs will jump on that phone pretty quickly and get some custom ROMs going...
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Hi Orb3000, nice to see you again
You must reconsider your decission because the OP is NOT a question but a statement. The guy found an interesting slip in google advertising system which confirmed a June release date for the aforementioned phone.
Whatsmore, many recognized tech blogs acknowledged his finding and published notes about it, some even linking here to xda-devs as the source of the finding.
Just got my Xperia Ion! Here's a couple of photos next to my Xperia S, along with the Antutu benchmark!
Where did you get it from?
I'm hoping they announce it's release on AT&T very soon!
U got an S and an Ion??? SHOWOFF!!! eb
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It's amazing to me how little AT&T is pushing this phone. You go to the AT&T website and you have to dig to find it (whereas the one x and the sgIII are on the front page). I understand those are higher end devices, but it seems as if AT&T doesn't really care at all about what is a pretty decent phone. Even when I walked into the AT&T store, they looked at me like I was crazy for asking for the ion (maybe they forgot how to sell anything other than iphones....)
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It's amazing to me how little AT&T is pushing this phone. You go to the AT&T website and you have to dig to find it (whereas the one x and the sgIII are on the front page). I understand those are higher end devices, but it seems as if AT&T doesn't really care at all about what is a pretty decent phone. Even when I walked into the AT&T store, they looked at me like I was crazy for asking for the ion (maybe they forgot how to sell anything other than iphones....)
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The phone is finally visible on the site, I find it interesting..I emailed Sony about that and a few hours later the phone magically appeared!
I ordered my phone online through the website the day it was released (like you said had to dig through the search bar to find it). Unfortunately I was unable to upgrade from my end so I had to call 611.
At&t must not have told many people about its roll out because the rep who helped me had no clue that this phone existed but had no problem searching it himself and ordering it on his end. I emphasize this because he flat out told me he keeps up with all the employee updates and me asking about the phone was the first he ever heard of it.
Long story short he ordered the phone for himself and expressed my order so we both can baste in its awesomeness asap!
It pains me to see this wonderful project die out so quickly. I feel as if there is a way but the motivation to find is close to zero. I have taken it upon myself to call all lumia and windows experts to revive this project as it will lead to many great things in the future. I am offering $200 to each developer who is willing to make android a reality on lumia devices. I have researched the little progress we have made and feel that the n9 is very similar to our device. This means we can change and use there ports to our advantage.
Please I'm calling all devs to help in this task!
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It pains me to see this wonderful project die out so quickly. I feel as if there is a way but the motivation to find is close to zero. I have taken it upon myself to call all lumia and windows experts to revive this project as it will lead to many great things in the future. I am offering $200 to each developer who is willing to make android a reality on lumia devices. I have researched the little progress we have made and feel that the n9 is very similar to our device. This means we can change and use there ports to our advantage.
Please I'm calling all devs to help in this task!
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Let me ask you one simple thing: Why?
Why do you want to have Android running on a Lumia WP7 device? If you want Android, than simply by an Android phone. Or go and by a Nokia N9 and Install Andoid JellyBean Alpha 5 (i think this is the latest release).
I have Android running on my Nokia N9, and it's nice, and respekt to the developers, but it's not stable, not everything is working and maybe it will be like on the N900, stuck in alpha or beta state, because of issues no one could see in the beginning...
N9 has 1GB RAM, Lumia800 has only half of that... Do you really think Android is running smooth on a Device less than 1GB RAM?
I don't.
Another thing i thought about:
Android can only run on Nokia N9 with dual boot. I don't think we have the way to install dual boot on any WP7 devices. Even though we have full unlock now (respekt to ultrashot at this point!!! )...
Another thing: The Hardware of Lumia phones is great for WP7. But only for WP7. For every other system, it's way too weak.
I wish it wasn't so. If there is anyone out there who can help I'm waiting. I really like android but I can't find the n9 anywhere where I live and it's price is way to high.
Seriously, better spend your 200$ into an Android device, there are enough out there that will suit your needs. It doesn't make sense to spend 200 bucks for a port/OS that isn't designed for the Lumia. Also 512MB RAM is maybe really too low for current Android versions.
I agree... Take your Lumia, sell it, use the money with your $200 to buy the Android phone you want and stop Trolling the Windows Phone threads... It's not possable right now on ANY WP7/WP7.5 device.
And no, I dont think any one is doing it nor cares to...
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I agree... Take your Lumia, sell it, use the money with your $200 to buy the Android phone you want and stop Trolling the Windows Phone threads... It's not possable right now on ANY WP7/WP7.5 device.
And no, I dont think any one is doing it nor cares to...
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Dude, you really need to chill. Who died and made you God? If the man wants to port Android on a Lumia or a toaster, let's see if we can help him. It's what makes these communities work.
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Dude, you really need to chill. Who died and made you God? If the man wants to port Android on a Lumia or a toaster, let's see if we can help him. It's what makes these communities work.
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Unless you are a developer who would do it, I don't see how this $200/developer offer really is sane? Ok, I undersand as a hobby and to learn and develop this is fantastic. BUT it is as good as "port Jelly Bean on iPhone 5 please!" - unrealistic.
If I had as much money as the OP, trust me, I would own an iPhone 5 and pre-order the Lumia 920 and HTC 8X and then get the new Nexus!
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Unless you are a developer who would do it, I don't see how this $200/developer offer really is sane? Ok, I undersand as a hobby and to learn and develop this is fantastic. BUT it is as good as "port Jelly Bean on iPhone 5 please!" - unrealistic.
If I had as much money as the OP, trust me, I would own an iPhone 5 and pre-order the Lumia 920 and HTC 8X and then get the new Nexus!
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That wasn't the point. Poor guy gets flamed by some entitled little snot when he/she is asking a legitimate question. I don't know if it can be done or not, the point is maybe someone reading this does know and can offer help. We were ALL noobs once.
No need to be rude here, but porting Android to Lumia 710 just doesnt make any sense. If you want Android just buy Android device.
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No need to be rude here, but porting Android to Lumia 710 just doesnt make any sense. If you want Android just buy Android device.
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Last time I checked this was xda DEVELOPERS. Porting an OS into a device with a completely different arrangement is how innovation is fostered. The whole Open WebOS project is based on that philosophy. Porting Android on the HP TouchPad, the HTC HD2 and others would never have happened if someone didn't first get a wild hair up his a$$. I encourage this idea no matter how crazy it sounds. You never know what you may discover while you're on that path.
Thanks guys for the support and I enjoy the criticism. I just think this phone has potential I didn't mean to anger anybody. I though this forum was for devs who make magic happen on phones that's why I posted this thread. Anyways the lk bootloader is already been installed on this device and fastboot is operational. The only thing in the way is something to do with LCD drivers so it's not a fantasy its close to realistic. Search it on google for yourself. There is github set for this device with the files and installing bootloader is as easy as copying and pasting the bootloader into a certain folder.
I am agreeance with everyone else if you have $200 to burn, buy an Android device
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fatclue said:
Last time I checked this was xda DEVELOPERS. Porting an OS into a device with a completely different arrangement is how innovation is fostered. The whole Open WebOS project is based on that philosophy. Porting Android on the HP TouchPad, the HTC HD2 and others would never have happened if someone didn't first get a wild hair up his a$$. I encourage this idea no matter how crazy it sounds. You never know what you may discover while you're on that path.
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Yes this is XdaDEVELOPERS, but the real point here is that the OP wants Android to he's device and is now offering $200 for the port. Ok, it is not because he wants to do it just for the fun, he wants Android. At the same time he says he doesnt have money to buy N9. Now spending $200 for this just doesnt make sense. IF with a ****load of work people would succeed on this, most likely it would be very buggy and missing functionality, at least for a very long time. It is only right that people tell the OP that he is way better off on just buying an Android device than thinking about porting.
I would see this differently if the OP would be here saying look guys, I have ****load of money and I offer $xxx if someone can port Android to Lumia just for the fun of it and see if its possible. In this case of course, this is XdaDEVELOPERS and I wouldnt even comment, just be following can someone really do it.
I also assume that $200 + selling the Lumia would enable the OP to buy a GOOD Android device. Most importantly everything would be working...
EDIT: With quick search I see NEW 16GB SGS II:s for 350€ at eBay.de... Dont know if thats the cheapest, or SGSII best bang for the buck at Android, but Im sure you couldnt go wrong with that if you want that OS.
Here in Italy you can get a Galaxy Nexus for 279€ in some malls.
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Yes this is XdaDEVELOPERS, but the real point here is that the OP wants Android to he's device and is now offering $200 for the port. Ok, it is not because he wants to do it just for the fun, he wants Android. At the same time he says he doesnt have money to buy N9. Now spending $200 for this just doesnt make sense. IF with a ****load of work people would succeed on this, most likely it would be very buggy and missing functionality, at least for a very long time. It is only right that people tell the OP that he is way better off on just buying an Android device than thinking about porting.
I would see this differently if the OP would be here saying look guys, I have ****load of money and I offer $xxx if someone can port Android to Lumia just for the fun of it and see if its possible. In this case of course, this is XdaDEVELOPERS and I wouldnt even comment, just be following can someone really do it.
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Huh? Buggy and missing functionality is the title of most unofficial Android builds yet people flock to them. A buzz is created and more often than not, bug fixes start cropping up. I'll give you a perfect example. My old Droid Pro had an unofficial CM build for it, but it was based on the Droid 2. My present Droid X has a ton of unofficial builds but none of them work properly. I like the ICS theme a lot but I need my phone to function properly.
It's very easy to just say "buy and Android device and save the $200" then tell that same person to flash a buggy, incomplete ROM and look to the community for help. Obviously the OP prefers Nokia products, and deservedly so, and doesn't want a plasticky Samsung or anything from HTC.
I do not wish to purchase a new android device as I'm under contract as well as I do not feel like going through the hassle of selling my phone (not very popular in USA anymore). And I wanted this port for fun my life didn't depend on getting this port or something. I just feel that we are very close to getting android and trying just a little harder might get it for us. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who wants this port. There are others out there as well who do not have the money to buy an android phone. As you guys said I could easily buy an android phone but I want this for the community not just me.
By the way 275 euros is 400 dollars and 325 euros is like 500 dollars
Everyone who says that "if you have money to offer for devs to try porting android to your wp7, why not try to buy android phone if you want it" is right. But for me, running a different OS on a device/mobile made with specific OS is very cool :fingers-crossed:
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I do not wish to purchase a new android device as I'm under contract as well as I do not feel like going through the hassle of selling my phone (not very popular in USA anymore). And I wanted this port for fun my life didn't depend on getting this port or something. I just feel that we are very close to getting android and trying just a little harder might get it for us. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who wants this port. There are others out there as well who do not have the money to buy an android phone. As you guys said I could easily buy an android phone but I want this for the community not just me.
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You're right. Everyone who are against your idea are just being practical. I don't disagree with them because they are right but i got this unexplained feeling on porting different OS in a specific device/mobile. I do have HD7 and I also want it to be able to run in android OS. It's really cool if it can be done by devs.
I seriously doubt that if Android is succesfully ported to Lumia everything would work... Wlan, bluetooth etc etc... Im sure it would take a lot of time to get it running fully, if ever. Also as brought up here earlier the fact that the 710 has 512mb of ram is going to be an issue with the latest Android builds.
I hope you get the port, dont let me spoil your day.
BTW, 275€=$359 today. And if you are in the States Im sure you can find Android phones even cheaper than I suggested. I think I saw something like 330 bucks for SGSII.
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Everyone who says that "if you have money to offer for devs to try porting android to your wp7, why not try to buy android phone if you want it" is right. But for me, running a different OS on a device/mobile made with specific OS is very cool :fingers-crossed:
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You're right. Everyone who are against your idea are just being practical. I don't disagree with them because they are right but i got this unexplained feeling on porting different OS in a specific device/mobile. I do have HD7 and I also want it to be able to run in android OS. It's really cool if it can be done by devs.
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It stands to reason there is a chance. If the HD2, which started life as a Windows Mobile 6.1 device, could be ported with Android AND Windows Phone 7, I don't see why the Lumia 710 couldn't be "Frankensteined" as well. For those of us who are webOS fans, you know what I mean.
Practicality has its merits but there are some of us who like to do the improbable just for sh!ts and giggles. Personally, I shoe-horned a twin-turbo Buick V-6 in a Vega some 30 years ago and followed that with a 351-powered Pinto. The phone analogy is that neither one could be driven in the rain because there was simply no sticky tires back then, so the functionality was very limited.
OK, I feel the need to publically rant about my nexus 7 (sorry, utterly useless topic)
I'm tired of acting as a beta tester when I buy consumer electronics. The problems with multitouch on my nexus 7 32gb were hiliarious for about 10 secs. I don't even want to try out the various bootloaders to try to fix it software-wize. This kind of problem should not have happened in the first place, AT ALL. How the hell do these products get quality checked before being sold, seriously ? Multitouch is THE main and basic feature of such devices, how on Earth can it not be perfect out of box ?
I was wondering by the way : has Apple ever had any problems with the multitouch on its phones ? I've actually rarely had any apple phones / tablets in my hand, but each single time, the touch response was way better than any android device out there. How come ? (please don't tell me : "ok f* off and go apple already", it's an open question, I'm curious).
Also, this tablet being my first experience in the tablet world, Google clearly hasn't made up its mind if it's to be considered as a tablet or as a biggish phone. Gmail, for one, in portrait looks as stupid as Tapatalk 4 with its massive side menu you can't ever swipe away. I want a damn TABLET experience.
So the nexus 7 is going back to the shop, and I'll wait for some other device, which may be a long time, as I cannot imagine buying anything else than nexus (Can't bare manufacturer devices that already aren't supported anymore after being on the market for >4months).
I sicked of being played around, and tired of all this nonsense. :/
Cheers. have a wonderful weekend. (and "Bon courage !" to all of you nexus7 users, I'm out)
Don't buy Nexus devices if you are going to throw hissy fits over bugs
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Don't buy Nexus devices if you are going to throw hissy fits over bugs
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What's your point ? Nexus devices are supposed to be an especially reliable plateform for Android app programmers, not a vast google beta program for it's own developers !! (I'm talking about the basic hardware features here, not advanced / beta features in google apps)
OP, i'd say... who cares? You said yourself its stupid thread so why do you bother to start it anyway?
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Developer devices don't have to be stable, they are a baseline to work with, no one have any guarantees that they would be consumer level qualify or stable, buying a Nexus device means you are part time beta testing
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Developer devices don't have to be stable, they are a baseline to work with, no one have any guarantees that they would be consumer level qualify or stable, buying a Nexus device means you are part time beta testing
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The nexus 7 is sold in all consumer electronic stores, as is any Samsung, Sony,... products. Clearly it's not "beta hardware" anymore...
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Developer devices don't have to be stable, they are a baseline to work with, no one have any guarantees that they would be consumer level qualify or stable, buying a Nexus device means you are part time beta testing
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Seriously? They sold a bunch of devices and all "buyers" should be developers only? If I buy a device then the basic features must work. Nothing more nothing less, also if I am a developer the device must work.
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Seriously? They sold a bunch of devices and all "buyers" should be developers only? If I buy a device then the basic features must work. Nothing more nothing less, also if I am a developer the device must work.
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I'd even say, a developer would require EXTRA STABLE hardware in order to program without having hardware bugs mixing with his own apps' bugs...
when you first discovered the issue did you try to return it? Have you read about the issue before purchasing it?
why not get an apple device, just curious.
I completely agree with you with all these problems with the Nexus 7, but for its price and speed compared to the iPad mini, I'll stick with my Nexus 7 since the problems are bearable for me.
While I agree with the OP in principle, almost everything in the computing industry is that way any more. There is such pressure to get new hardware/software out the door, that all vendors are putting stuff out before it is truly ready. I don't think Google is any more guilty of this than any other technology vendor. I've seen stuff a LOT more screwed up than the N7.
IMO there is an 80-90% chance most, if not all, of your touch issues can be resolved in 10 minutes using this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2428133
Of course you won't have the pleasure of ranting.
Your choice.
That is why I always wait at least a month before I buy something. That ways I can see if there is any problems with the first run. With the New Nexus 7 I new there was going to be issues with multi touch and I haven't had any problems with it yet. The only problem I have had so far is the keyboard sometimes freezes while I type. Not a big deal to me. No matter what electronic device you buy, there will always be something that will go wrong with it. I'm loving the New Nexus 7 so far. Just sad to see someone get discouraged over something that could be fixed by software. Enjoy your next tablet that you get.
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I think it's an Asus thing rather than Google's fault, though u could argue it's Google's fault for going with aids...
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OK, I feel the need to publically rant about my nexus 7 (sorry, utterly useless topic)
I'm tired of acting as a beta tester when I buy consumer electronics. The problems with multitouch on my nexus 7 32gb were hiliarious for about 10 secs. I don't even want to try out the various bootloaders to try to fix it software-wize. This kind of problem should not have happened in the first place, AT ALL. How the hell do these products get quality checked before being sold, seriously ? Multitouch is THE main and basic feature of such devices, how on Earth can it not be perfect out of box ?
I was wondering by the way : has Apple ever had any problems with the multitouch on its phones ? I've actually rarely had any apple phones / tablets in my hand, but each single time, the touch response was way better than any android device out there. How come ? (please don't tell me : "ok f* off and go apple already", it's an open question, I'm curious).
Also, this tablet being my first experience in the tablet world, Google clearly hasn't made up its mind if it's to be considered as a tablet or as a biggish phone. Gmail, for one, in portrait looks as stupid as Tapatalk 4 with its massive side menu you can't ever swipe away. I want a damn TABLET experience.
So the nexus 7 is going back to the shop, and I'll wait for some other device, which may be a long time, as I cannot imagine buying anything else than nexus (Can't bare manufacturer devices that already aren't supported anymore after being on the market for >4months).
I sicked of being played around, and tired of all this nonsense. :/
Cheers. have a wonderful weekend. (and "Bon courage !" to all of you nexus7 users, I'm out)
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Shuddup
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phentex said:
OK, I feel the need to publically rant about my nexus 7 (sorry, utterly useless topic)
I'm tired of acting as a beta tester when I buy consumer electronics. The problems with multitouch on my nexus 7 32gb were hiliarious for about 10 secs. I don't even want to try out the various bootloaders to try to fix it software-wize. This kind of problem should not have happened in the first place, AT ALL. How the hell do these products get quality checked before being sold, seriously ? Multitouch is THE main and basic feature of such devices, how on Earth can it not be perfect out of box ?
I was wondering by the way : has Apple ever had any problems with the multitouch on its phones ? I've actually rarely had any apple phones / tablets in my hand, but each single time, the touch response was way better than any android device out there. How come ? (please don't tell me : "ok f* off and go apple already", it's an open question, I'm curious).
Also, this tablet being my first experience in the tablet world, Google clearly hasn't made up its mind if it's to be considered as a tablet or as a biggish phone. Gmail, for one, in portrait looks as stupid as Tapatalk 4 with its massive side menu you can't ever swipe away. I want a damn TABLET experience.
So the nexus 7 is going back to the shop, and I'll wait for some other device, which may be a long time, as I cannot imagine buying anything else than nexus (Can't bare manufacturer devices that already aren't supported anymore after being on the market for >4months).
I sicked of being played around, and tired of all this nonsense. :/
Cheers. have a wonderful weekend. (and "Bon courage !" to all of you nexus7 users, I'm out)
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Let's be honest here, you can always find a flaw in each phone/tablet out in the market. Everything comes down to your personal preference and your ability to accept certain flaws. Even ipads/iphones have their own set of issues. It may not be multi touch issues but there are some other issues.
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I dont have any issues. None that you describe. Then again, I'm not an end user. Which you sound like. Nothing wrong with that. But you bought something for power users and devs. Not Gramma's and Hippsters..
I change the things out with other things that give me issues or that I don't like and I have full control of the tablet. Something you'll harldy get elsewhere.
But thats not what you want. You want rock stable. So buy an Apple. (which has its own issues, But thats not where I am going) or a windows slate...Muahahahahahahahahahaha....Sorry, there really is no place to go that doesn't have some kind of issue. Maybe Buy a chalk board. Those haven't had many issues in like 100+ years.
I love how everyone has their own way of fighting with OP. He wasn't trying to engage a fight simply saying that the Nexus had too many problems for his liking. I was very very close to leaving as well myself. If there was any comparable alternative I would have been gone long ago.
Why do you guys make excuses for Google? Nexus is for developers only? LOL guess u think this site is developers only too. Sure, stuff happens when your factory is in China... But this is excessive..
There needs to be accountability and quick corrective action (Google has taken some action, but not enough yet.) if we sit here and accept whatever garbage is fed to us, we will always be fed garbage simply because they can.
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LOL guess u think this site is developers only too. \.
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Tell you what, PM a mod and ask them this question. I bet you find out real quick how wrong you are. This site is only for developers. Everyone else is allowed to post because they allow it. You must be newer. When I joined if you even posted a topic such as this you'd one get ignored or flammed into oblivion and two most likely warned or straight up banned.
You fail to realize that without the devs this site is just a....forum.
The name of the forum is; XDA (delevelopers).....
Really some of you ppl...
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Tell you what, PM a mod and ask them this question. I bet you find out real quick how wrong you are. This site is only for developers. Everyone else is allowed to post because they allow it. You must be newer. When I joined if you even posted a topic such as this you'd one get ignored or flammed into oblivion and two most likely warned or straight up banned.
You fail to realize that without the devs this site is just a....forum.
The name of the forum is; XDA (delevelopers).....
Really some of you ppl...
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Xda developers, yes... How many people are developing for Xda? I guess we should all be banned. What kind of statement are u making did you even think before you post?
Yeah, maybe a mod thinks this site is only for developers... But I would like to see the reaction on the site owners face if you told him they have banned all non developers. Ad revenue instantly = 0
Historically the site was started for developers maybe but now I guarantee 90% of site content cannot be considered development. Unless you consider a million replies asking where to download Gapp zip for paranoid android development....
Stuff like the OP doesn't belong Development forum, but can you blame the guy for posting here? I went through 20 Nexus only to find out that it was a firmware issue. Google messed up royally...