I started writing this post in another thread but I felt it was better off in it's own. Please read it in full if you're going to respond, I know it's long but you'll just look silly if you don't:
The reality is that most data plans are limited to 500MB, or if you're lucky 1GB, and for the vast majority of users this is way more than enough - in my case I do occasionally go over, which is why I'm on a plan where I just pay £5 per 500MB, it might not be the cheapest option but it's the best for me, and my bills are normally £30 a month, which is very reasonable for the quality of service I get.
Most people will never use the cloud features on their phones, in reality. Fair enough, some people will require a phone with a larger storage capacity. It would be nice to see some phones with larger storage, but there is a massive problem: take a phone with big storage, or with storage size options, to a mobile network, and they'll just charge an absolute fortune for it, so nobody will buy it. That limits your market to SIM free devices- and maybe a few people will buy it then, but probably not enough to make it worth your while.
What you guys that want extra storage have to prove is that you can get enough people on board to make it worthwhile for Samsung/HTC/Nokia to get out of bed and do it. With android/iPhone that isn't a problem because average joe will buy it regardless and probably won't have a clue what they're buying, but Windows Phone is a harder sell, despite being a better system (in a lot of our opinons, I believe).
In the meantime, firstly why are videos so important to you? On a 4" screen my eyesight would be pretty screwed after about half an hour, which is why I have a 32GB Android tablet for videos, with a nice comfortable 10" screen, and it just stays in the bag that comes with me. On the odd occasion I don't have my tablet, then Youtube is normally more than enough and using it only occasionally doesn't hack out at my data plan.
For music, I don't know of anybody who actually listens to their entire music collection on their phone, and in my own perfect world I wish people would realise this. My way around not being able to store all of my music on my phone is to just have a smart playlist of tracks that I have starred, automatically synchronising 250 of my starred tracks to my phone at random- that way I have a nice selection of music I know I like, which in a way is better because I'm making better use of my collection, and I get nice surprises occasionally.
In summary, I just want to ask of everyone: Please just remember almost nobody is in the same precise position as you. It's great that there is a large range of people here with a range of opinions, but you have to understand that assuming that everybody is the same as you is just going to annoy people. There is nothing wrong with expressing that you would like a phone with more internal storage - but say it, then move on. Don't carry on saying it over and over. And if you don't want a phone with more internal storage, say it, then move on. Don't start arguments because you don't agree with people.
I personally love my HTC 7 Pro and won't be changing it. It isn't perfect, but I'm not going to moan endlessly about what's wrong with it, I'm going to give my opinion where it's relevant, and if there's a good response I'll back it up with my reasoning. That's how forums should work.
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What you guys that want extra storage have to prove is that you can get enough people on board to make it worthwhile for Samsung/HTC/Nokia to get out of bed and do it.
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The best way to show OEMs that it's worthwile would be for one of them to have one out and for the others to see how it sells. Not by having everyone on this forum sending them a letter. The question is they don't they make the effort, at least once? When you see a N9 with 64GB and a Lumia 800 with 16GB it hurts.
Really not sure why its thought only apple can accomplish things like having a smartphone line with large storage options. There's a very simple solution to this: offer a larger 32GB storage option at a $100 premium in limited quantities (just like Dell did with the DVP) and see what happens. In Dell's case it didn't sell well (likely due to their distribution model) and it was withdrawn. OEM's like HTC and Samsung will be better placed to make this option work but again, have the option to withdraw the higher priced option.
In any case, it seems they are still in softly softly mode with WP7 so I doubt anyone but Nokia will be the first to offer higher levels of storage. The cloud though is absolutely not the blanket solution for everybody, though it works for some but for others the current storage options will definitely be insufficient.
Apple did perfectly well. They decided to remove slot for SD cards but logically they offered 32GB and 64GB versions of their devices in order to compensate the loss of expandable storage.
Microsoft removed the SD card slot but is unable to propose any hardware having more than 16GB (actually it is only 13.2GB once the OS is installed).
Sorry but this is not acceptable.
Apple has only one hardware and offers you the choice.
MS works with several OEM and fails to propose more than 16GB.
The lack of storage, the lack of alternative finally made me switch to Android.
Congrats Microsoft !
Good responses, thanks! I think the main reason that none of the OEMs has released a higher capacity model is sheer numbers.
With Android, even if the high capacity model sells 10% of the volume of the low capacity version, that's still a lot of units. With WP7, though, the sales of the single model probably aren't enough to justify making variations as that will just make it harder to sell to the distributor (the network, mainly).
Like you efjay, I'm hopeful that with Nokia on board and Mango being more like the sort of feature-rich software people demand volumes will slowly start to increase and the manufacturers will start to break their model ranges into more variants.
IMHO a MASSIVE problem with the distribution models as they are is exclusivity - with WP7, the absolute key is going to be making every device available everywhere, so as many people see it/try it/want it as conceivably possible. With exclusives, you're limiting distribution of an already limited distribution product, and that's going to harm growth.
arturobandini said:
Apple did perfectly well. They decided to remove slot for SD cards but logically they offered 32GB and 64GB versions of their devices in order to compensate the loss of expandable storage.
Microsoft removed the SD card slot but is unable to propose any hardware having more than 16GB (actually it is only 13.2GB once the OS is installed).
Sorry but this is not acceptable.
Apple has only one hardware and offers you the choice.
MS works with several OEM and fails to propose more than 16GB.
The lack of storage, the lack of alternative finally made me switch to Android.
Congrats Microsoft !
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I never said that Apple didn't do well. What I said, was that WP7 has to be targeted at a big, but specific type of consumer base to work well, and that most of that consumer base probably don't know or care how much storage they have - once the volumes increase, then there will be more variants with more storage, but right now there is no incentive to provide high capacity variants because the networks will price them out of the market and they won't sell to joe public.
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IMHO a MASSIVE problem with the distribution models as they are is exclusivity - with WP7, the absolute key is going to be making every device available everywhere, so as many people see it/try it/want it as conceivably possible. With exclusives, you're limiting distribution of an already limited distribution product, and that's going to harm growth.
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Difference here is the territory. In Europe (and the UK in particular) the Lumia devices will be on practically every carrier (except it seems O2 cos of their iphone love) and are being backed by a huge marketing campaign and incentives to customers and probably sales staff. You can even pre-order the Nokia phones which has never happened for any other WP7 device. In the US however, the story is radically different - T-Mobile has announced only 1 new device, nothing for Sprint and Verizon, which leaves at&t who will have 3 new devices and none of these devices are being given special treatment, rather they are just being thrown up on the carrier's website with no fanfare. With that kind of lopsided distribution and lack of promotion, along with the acknowledged bias, its no wonder WP7 struggles in the US, and that really is down to poor carrier support. US carriers have no problem stocking the same android model but WP7 is largely ignored. Until that changes there is no way WP7 is going to make nay headway, at least in the US.
I think though, that with Nokia's media push, brand recognition and seemingly well liked devices WP7 can do very well in Europe. It will be interesting to see the sales figures for the Lumia 800/710 this holiday compared to other handsets in Europe and the US. The US looks like it will continue to have a poor selection of WP7 devices and be dominated by ios and android.
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1) Most people will never use the cloud features on their phones, in reality. Fair enough, some people will require a phone with a larger storage capacity. It would be nice to see some phones with larger storage, but there is a massive problem: take a phone with big storage, or with storage size options, to a mobile network, and they'll just charge an absolute fortune for it, so nobody will buy it. That limits your market to SIM free devices- and maybe a few people will buy it then, but probably not enough to make it worth your while.
2) In the meantime, firstly why are videos so important to you? On a 4" screen my eyesight would be pretty screwed after about half an hour, which is why I have a 32GB Android tablet for videos, with a nice comfortable 10" screen, and it just stays in the bag that comes with me. On the odd occasion I don't have my tablet, then Youtube is normally more than enough and using it only occasionally doesn't hack out at my data plan.
3) to just have a smart playlist of tracks that I have starred, automatically synchronising 250 of my starred tracks to my phone at random- that way I have a nice selection of music I know I like, which in a way is better because I'm making better use of my collection, and I get nice surprises occasionally.
4) In summary, I just want to ask of everyone: Please just remember almost nobody is in the same precise position as you. It's great that there is a large range of people here with a range of opinions, but you have to understand that assuming that everybody is the same as you is just going to annoy people. There is nothing wrong with expressing that you would like a phone with more internal storage - but say it, then move on. Don't carry on saying it over and over. And if you don't want a phone with more internal storage, say it, then move on. Don't start arguments because you don't agree with people.
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1) cloud features, like uploading audio, video, pictures, documents, (FILES) whenever, wherever ? this is extremely important. look at the protests, police brutality, natural disasters, and corruption caught by cell phone cameras. without an instant upload, the phone could be confiscated, the person punished (off record beating) and the public never the wiser. cloud = power, pricey for data or not, it is powerful.
2) videos are something fun to share, with family, friends, coworkers. renting a movie on youtube/itunes/whatever and showing the funny part to a friend is a blast, and stimulates more purchases/rents normally. self-shot videos are fun to share instantly, with other smart phones, via bluetooth or wifi... and guarantees there is a copy should you drop yours in the water/mud/etc. the option of streaming that movie to your 32Gb whatever-pad is awesome, and should be standard practice now. how are you going to watch the HD 3D video you just shot with your smart phone with poor vision , unless you can transfer it to the 32Gb somehow ? this is where wp7 fails, because of whatever reason they restricted moving files around and file access.
3) personally i only keep 2-3Gb of music on my phone. most of it is synced 2-3 times a month now, rented or bought from amazon/whoever, or just ripped from a cd. music is a non-issue, with a 32Gb microsd card. <--- this is another thing I can't understand microsoft crippling.
4) yep, understood. data plans are getting rediculously expensive by the month. 1Gb for $30 ? but then pack on tons of 'apps' that eat data 24/7 as oem junk ? all the US carriers are really sucking in this requard. they have the bandwidth, they have the infrastructure, but greeeeeeeeeed is creating a suck-zone of expense for anyone expecting "UNLIMITED" anything.
Of they support as cards the whole price argument falls on its face. Either support sd or offer more storage options. The cloud is terrible. It leads to worse battery life due to the constant downloading and it can be a terrible experience if reception isn't great where you are.
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I agree that there are some that may need more space but to spam articles and forums saying that the phone or generation of phones (even tho not complete yet) are going to fail because it doesn't meet that particular persons need is wrong. Take me for example, I'm disappointed that the T-mobile radar has only 8gb of space but I'm not going around saying it's going to be a failure because of it.
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I agree that there are some that may need more space but to spam articles and forums saying that the phone or generation of phones (even tho not complete yet) are going to fail because it doesn't meet that particular persons need is wrong. Take me for example, I'm disappointed that the T-mobile radar has only 8gb of space but I'm not going around saying it's going to be a failure because of it.
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The radar is a mid range device. Its comparable to focus flash not focus s.
The storage is a huge problem.
They pushing away early adapters with that, and thats their only marketing worth mentioning right now (their fanbois).
The focus s has < 13gb free on a fresh boot... ... ...
Again. With sd support, the low storage would be nonfactor.
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Right now the best and only option for over 32gb of storage is a first gen Focus. If you want storage get this phone for $0.01 from at&t and spend the money for a 32gb card. I really wanted to upgrade from my focus to something with a FFC but I guess I am a customer that wants too much. It is too much to want a phone with lots of storage AND a FFC. So that means I won't be spending any money on a phone any time soon I guess. Someone lost a sale.
To the OP: I do not carry my entire music collection on my phone. I do however have 15 GB of music on my phone and listen to at least 3 hours of it daily. Like others have mentioned. Apple offers more storage options so you can't say it isn't wanted. Secondly, why should the price be the same if OEMs aren't adding more storage?
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To the OP: I do not carry my entire music collection on my phone. I do however have 15 GB of music on my phone and listen to at least 3 hours of it daily. Like others have mentioned. Apple offers more storage options so you can't say it isn't wanted. Secondly, why should the price be the same if OEMs aren't adding more storage?
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This kind of makes my point....15GBs of music by most compression standards amounts to roughly 150 hrs of music, of which this user listens to "at least 3 hours" of daily. Really? And this is supposed to back up the argument for needing more space? Really? And what about video? How much USEFUL video do most of us actually carry around on our phones? If I have a video, that means that Ive probably already seen it and, unlike music, have no reason to be carrying it around with me on my phone. Like most people (I believe) the vast majority of videos that I watch on my phone are streamed i.e YouTube, Netflix etc.
(and as for Apple [on the 4s only] offering more storage meaning that there is suddenly a demand, do not forget that the 2 best selling phones in the world are iphones with 8 and 16 GBs of total storage)
My point is: Unless your phone is your ONLY piece of hardware i.e. NO computer etc., somebody who is complaining about needing 32GBs+ of media storage on their PHONE please in some kind of detail explain how you are actually making use of anywhere close to even 1/10th of it on a daily basis.
That's only music. What about video documents and large apps and games - some of which are 200mb to 2gb just by themselves.
I think your point leaves out obvious things that must be considered.
Storage is only a problem on this platform, and no other. Even feature phones support 32g sd cards these days...
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I love how all your facts include "I" somewhere in the sentence.
The low gb phones sell will because they're the cheapest skus. Cheaper always sells more.
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That's only music. What about video documents and large apps and games - some of which are 200mb to 2gb just by themselves.
I think your point leaves out obvious things that must be considered.
Storage is only a problem on this platform, and no other. Even feature phones support 32g sd cards these days...
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Thats only music? Yes, as I pointed out, thats WAY WAY more music than you could actually have any realistic use for on your phone unless you were stranded on the moon for a year. And how many gigs of video (that you've most likey already seen) do you really carry around with you on your phone and make use of on a daily basis?
Like I challenged: if you really need 32GBs+ of storage explain how you actually (in detail) use it all up and actually make use of it.
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I love how all your facts include "I" somewhere in the sentence.
The low gb phones sell will because they're the cheapest skus. Cheaper always sells more.
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Nitpicking when he uses I to try to cover up your wrongness is quite funny. Cheapest sells more? Not necessarily, the 250GB Xbox 360 outsold the 4GB one even tho it was $100 cheaper. That's just one example.
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Nitpicking when he uses I to try to cover up your wrongness is quite funny. Cheapest sells more? Not necessarily, the 250GB Xbox 360 outsold the 4GB one even tho it was $100 cheaper. That's just one example.
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I tend to agree that 8 & 16GB phones sell more because of being cheaper. But when a person wants something larger, they will go to whatever is available instead of settling for the smaller capacities. Myself as an example. When I bought my iPhone 4, I originally bought a 16GB because it was $100 cheaper and then started seeing how the games were filling it up rapidly after all of my music and pictures and other media were on it. I chose to return it for a 32GB model and even payed the return fee to get one.
I know there is a percentage of customers MS will lose out on because of the lower capacity phones they are choosing to stay with. Apple looks to get all customers rather than a majority who may be satisfied with 8 or 16GB.
There will be a percentage of customers that Microsoft lose out on, but I guess they know that, they are not stupid.
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bought a omnia 7,Trophy, or mozart and are a still dissapointed with the paltry 8gb? Memory/data costs. what every way you do it, just look at the prices of an iphone to see how much their 32 and 64gb versions are! not to worry, heres a few ideas to help. others welcome......
1) like i said, Memory/data cost, if you investing in an 8gb phone it would be a wise decision to get an unlimited (1gb usually)internet plan or a decent one at least. once secured,, this moves onto......
2)Use the Skydrive. its fully intergrated into your WP7 already, and once connected you will now have access of up to 25GB of storage. upload your documents and pics from your PC to the skydrive and you can access these from your wp7 device. i was surprised at the speed i could access all my pics from the phone. unfortunately, this does not yet work for mp3 files yet.
3) Music files, personally my biggest problem. rip cds at 128k or 192k rather than 320kps. ive either got really bad hearing or something cos i cant tell the difference once the bitrate hits 128kps, apparently the difference is clear to hear, if you have £300 headphones. who has that? Exactly.
4) XNview. Picture files still too big? download this pc software, and batch convert your images. you can reduce a 5mb pic to 1mb or lower...then skudrive it.
any more tips pelase let me know...... what about video??? there used to be pocket divx..........
With pictures / video from the camera, you can always take them and then when you get home... Take them off the phone and store them either on the computer or onto Skydrive.
those can also be upload straight to skydrive from the phone...a nice feature........
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3) Music files, personally my biggest problem. rip cds at 128k or 192k rather than 320kps. ive either got really bad hearing or something cos i cant tell the difference once the bitrate hits 128kps, apparently the difference is clear to hear, if you have £300 headphones. who has that? Exactly.
any more tips pelase let me know...... what about video??? there used to be pocket divx..........
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Hmm... I can hear the difference quite clearly with a set of $50 USD headphones. It may depend on what sort of music you listen to, and how detailed the sound is. Anything under 256k sounds "fuzzy" to me (rather like a slight FM sound on the music).
On video, there's going to be a problem on the standard Skydrive space, with a limit of 50 MB per file. I believe there is a smaller 5 GB section of Skydrive that doesn't have that limit (the "synced storage" area), but you can't store office documents there, and there are other issues with storing very large files "in the cloud" and then trying to access them later (i.e. - even if you have truly unlimited data plans, it will take forever to access those files over 3G). I think most of that is moot until MS actually allows people to access media from Skydrive though.
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those can also be upload straight to skydrive from the phone...a nice feature........
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One caution about storing directly to Skydrive... the full quality photo is not uploaded. It is compressed down from 2560 x 1920 resolution and 5 MB to 719 x 539 and around 150K. If you then delete the phone copy to free up space, you don't have a printable quality picture any more. See:
http://windowsphonesecrets.com/2010/10/24/windows-phone-and-photo-sharing/
interesting, i will have to keep a look out for that. i took a few pics and uploaded them to skydrive, just so i could look at them on my laptop. not bad however, does anyone really print photos from their mobile phone cameras???? i like having a camera on the mobile, but when i want to take decent printable pictures, i use a real camera. 8mp or not. mobile cameras just dont cut it for print.
I find crazy that people really try to "survive" with 8GB storage phones.
The reasonable solution would be not to buy any of these devices.
So maybe the manufacturers would stop playing with customers this way if they don't sell.
Seriously I feel sorry for all the customers with only 8GB. Because I know it's almost impossible to manage. Come on, ou will hate your phone as soon as you'll run out of storage.
- Firstly, it's not 8GB. The available storage is actually even less
- All your downloaded apps will waste this precious internal storage
- Only the sole GPS will waste 10% of the storage
- Skydrive is not an option for music and videos.
arturobandini said:
I find crazy that people really try to "survive" with 8GB storage phones.
The reasonable solution would be not to buy any of these devices.
So maybe the manufacturers would stop playing with customers this way if they don't sell.
Seriously I feel sorry for all the customers with only 8GB. Because I know it's almost impossible to manage. Come on, ou will hate your phone as soon as you'll run out of storage.
- Firstly, it's not 8GB. The available storage is actually even less
- All your downloaded apps will waste this precious internal storage
- Only the sole GPS will waste 10% of the storage
- Skydrive is not an option for music and videos.
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Well said.
its ok for the europeans who can get 16GB or more, but a lot of the wp7 phones here UK only come with 8gb. other wise i would have got a 16 gb omnia. everyon is different and has different needs for their mobile. i had a touch diamond 2 for 18 months with only 4GB and that was enough for me. sure its always better to have more memory, but do i really need my WHOLE music collection on my phone???
I have an 8gb Mozart. Please don't feel sorry for me I'm sure I'll cope ok!
Just upgraded from my 8gb Touch HD and managed no problem with storage limits the 2 years i used it. I dare say if your used to a 16gb handset you wouldn't want to drop down to 8 tho.
I agree with the previous poster, its about the individual and how they use their phone. If you need more than that then buy a handset with more storage, its as simple as that.
I think a major factor for big phone storage with other handsets is music storage.
With my 32GB 3GS I had probably 24GB of music loaded but this mostly becomes redundant with WP7 because of my Zune Pass.
The cloud is the way forward, not keeping everything locally on your device.
Once SkyDrive and Live get deeper integration into the OS along with how Zune works there won't be much need for devices with storage of above 16GB I would say, if that.
arturobandini said:
I find crazy that people really try to "survive" with 8GB storage phones.
The reasonable solution would be not to buy any of these devices.
So maybe the manufacturers would stop playing with customers this way if they don't sell.
Seriously I feel sorry for all the customers with only 8GB. Because I know it's almost impossible to manage. Come on, ou will hate your phone as soon as you'll run out of storage.
- Firstly, it's not 8GB. The available storage is actually even less
- All your downloaded apps will waste this precious internal storage
- Only the sole GPS will waste 10% of the storage
- Skydrive is not an option for music and videos.
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I agee with you 100%.
I travel OS every few months so using sky-drive is not an option. The fact that there is no 32 or 64 GB option is also a problem for some users.
I like to have all my music, videos and files on the device for instant access, After all this is the reason I use a smart-phone.
Heres hoping the second generation of WP7 smart-phones offers bigger storage options and larger batteries or better longevity out of the batteries.
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I think a major factor for big phone storage with other handsets is music storage.
With my 32GB 3GS I had probably 24GB of music loaded but this mostly becomes redundant with WP7 because of my Zune Pass.
The cloud is the way forward, not keeping everything locally on your device.
Once SkyDrive and Live get deeper integration into the OS along with how Zune works there won't be much need for devices with storage of above 16GB I would say, if that.
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Any chance you own shares in a mobile carrier. Not every one is on an unlimited data plan.
Also have you thought about how you are going to access you files while flying on an eight hour flight?
for those that want the capability to have bigger cards, get a Focus or Venue Pro. Both of which have exposed memory card slots. You can add a Kingston 32GB class 4 card available on Amazon. This will solve your issues.
If you don't mind voiding warranty, you can also replace the HD7 memory card as well.
For the rest of us who are getting the 8GB/16GB models, i'm sure we'll survive.
Besides... how often are you on an eight hour flight?
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for those that want the capability to have bigger cards, get a Focus or Venue Pro. Both of which have exposed memory card slots. You can add a Kingston 32GB class 4 card available on Amazon. This will solve your issues.
If you don't mind voiding warranty, you can also replace the HD7 memory card as well.
For the rest of us who are getting the 8GB/16GB models, i'm sure we'll survive.
Besides... how often are you on an eight hour flight?
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Every 6 to 8 weeks if you must know
I also travel with my 6 year old boy very regular. When I had my HD2 I would load lots of shows on the 32 GB card and keep him entertained while waiting for flights etc.
This device will also serve as my media player as I am fed up carting two separate devices. I listen to music every day.
I suppose I could stop using using lossless to allow more room on the card.
I was not aware the Focus would be available Outside the US?
wow man... i've never even had a passport... want to swap jobs?
The focus won't be, so I guess the Venue Pro is your only option... or voiding the warranty on the HD7.
Given that you're going to be using it quite a bit for entertainment purposes, the windows phones are real solid units for that with the Zune integration, and the Xbox Live integration. As much as there are quality games on iPhone, I believe over time many of these will be available on Windows Phone, and then you'll see a lot more on Windows Phone than iPhone given the xbox backing as well. Though as a counter-arguement there are also game developers saying they won't develop for Windows Phone due to lack of native support, so it could go either way. But yea, if you're not wanting to drink SJ's gasoline... sorry kool-aid, then in terms of entertainment, Windows Phone might be a good way to go? Android is awesome for customisation, don't get me wrong, but I'm not too sure if it's the best OS for entertainment.
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its ok for the europeans who can get 16GB or more, but a lot of the wp7 phones here UK only come with 8gb. other wise i would have got a 16 gb omnia. everyon is different and has different needs for their mobile. i had a touch diamond 2 for 18 months with only 4GB and that was enough for me. sure its always better to have more memory, but do i really need my WHOLE music collection on my phone???
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I hope you don't have a twitter nor a facebook account because all the feeds will eat up this precious storage over time and because there's no file manager where you could find precisely the file to delete (likeon the HD2), your only solution will be a hard-reset to free up memory. Good luck and have fun!
JEEtoP said:
I think a major factor for big phone storage with other handsets is music storage.
With my 32GB 3GS I had probably 24GB of music loaded but this mostly becomes redundant with WP7 because of my Zune Pass.
The cloud is the way forward, not keeping everything locally on your device.
Once SkyDrive and Live get deeper integration into the OS along with how Zune works there won't be much need for devices with storage of above 16GB I would say, if that.
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The cloud and zune pass (music and videos streaming) are the way forward? I doubt it: Zune pass is costly, not free: to push this service further M$ didn't alloy removable storage. The cloud? Skydrive reduces the size and the quality of the pics you upload, so it's rather backwards to me, just like the whole WP7 and its actual state.
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Any chance you own shares in a mobile carrier. Not every one is on an unlimited data plan.
Also have you thought about how you are going to access you files while flying on an eight hour flight?
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Haha no I don't, honest. It did sound a bit preachy didn't it.
I'm probably biased though being in UK and I still have an active contract from the unlimited data days.
I must admit I've only been on 1 long haul flight since owning a smartphone and it had Wi-Fi access included, 1GB I think. Lasted me fine for 23 hours to New Zealand.
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The cloud and zune pass (music and videos streaming) are the way forward? I doubt it: Zune pass is costly, not free: to push this service further M$ didn't alloy removable storage. The cloud? Skydrive reduces the size and the quality of the pics you upload, so it's rather backwards to me, just like the whole WP7 and its actual state.
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I think the Zune Pass is great value for what it gives you.
I do agree though at the current state of the OS/Cloud is far from ideal and there are significant improvements to be made, getting the Kin Studio variant up for WP7 would be a great step (I still think the Kin debacle was worth it just because it produced Kin Studio).
I also think though that this will happen and the OS looks good to be able to adapt well in the future. It's obviously been built with that idea from the ground up.
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I think the Zune Pass is great value for what it gives you.
I do agree though at the current state of the OS/Cloud is far from ideal and there are significant improvements to be made, getting the Kin Studio variant up for WP7 would be a great step (I still think the Kin debacle was worth it just because it produced Kin Studio).
I also think though that this will happen and the OS looks good to be able to adapt well in the future. It's obviously been built with that idea from the ground up.
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I'm no fan of giving money for MP3s. I buy CDs, even singles, but not MP3s, sorry, I'm too old-fashion for that. The Zune pass will not be mine, definetely, plus, I have iTunes at home, my wife owns a 3GS, and my iTunes is packed with more than 30 GB of music ranging from Beethoven to Wu-Tang Clan, Metallica, Cassius, Bob Sinclar and the like, all nicely ordered in playlists. I'm don't move around with all this music, rather syncing playlists according to my mood. Plus, I have some shows I watch when I'm not listening to music on my way to work, and they're around 350 MB big per episode. With any of my SD cards, it's a matter of 10 minutes maximum for say, 5 episodes. With the Zune software, it's about 20 minutes for 1 episode! Well, WP7 have storage issues which could hamper its success as a multimedia smartphone. And, btw, how in Earth is a phone "smart" when it can't handle multitasking and doesn't have a file explorer?
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side note: I did pre-order a HD7 unit, but I still have the choice to take it or leave it when it comes, sometime this week. I'm still not sure about it, so disappointing that the HD7 doesn't have the EVO's or Desire HD's 8 MP camera, for example...
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I'm no fan of giving money for MP3s. I buy CDs, even singles, but not MP3s, sorry, I'm too old-fashion for that. The Zune pass will not be mine, definetely, plus, I have iTunes at home, my wife owns a 3GS, and my iTunes is packed with more than 30 GB of music ranging from Beethoven to Wu-Tang Clan, Metallica, Cassius, Bob Sinclar and the like, all nicely ordered in playlists. I'm don't move around with all this music, rather syncing playlists according to my mood. Plus, I have some shows I watch when I'm not listening to music on my way to work, and they're around 350 MB big per episode. With any of my SD cards, it's a matter of 10 minutes maximum for say, 5 episodes. With the Zune software, it's about 20 minutes for 1 episode! Well, WP7 have storage issues which could hamper its success as a multimedia smartphone. And, btw, how in Earth is a phone "smart" when it can't handle multitasking and doesn't have a file explorer?
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side note: I did pre-order a HD7 unit, but I still have the choice to take it or leave it when it comes, sometime this week. I'm still not sure about it, so disappointing that the HD7 doesn't have the EVO's or Desire HD's 8 MP camera, for example...
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I totally get what you're saying, we just obviously work with music different ways and I think getting a platform to cater to both very well is near on impossible.
It seems Microsoft has made a choice with WP7 which I think is shown by the fact they are still going to ship WM6.5 as Windows Phone Classic or whatever it's called.
Just on a pure technical note - WP7 can handle multi-tasking without a problem. It's a multi-tasking OS. It's just as yet not open to third parties to utilise which is the only sensible option for Microsoft.
From their point of view they have launched a very solid OS with a great set of core features and a fantastic user experience which is up to date with the competition, technically. Over the next 12 months it will be opened up as people are asking.
They could not risk having reviews and user feedback criticising the OS for a problem with a poorly written app draining all the battery in 2 hours, as a basic example.
The entire Windows Mobile effort rested on WP7's shoulders - it was too big a risk to take.
I don't really see 8GB as a problem, but then I'm not watching films on the phone. For me, going from 16GB down to 8GB just means I've had to third the amount of music I've put on to the device. It's unfortunate but not really a problem, 4GB is enough for nearly 30 hours of music at 320kbps, which personally I think is plenty. Until phones can store my entire music collection I'm always going to have to choose what to sync, and until then I'm not overly bothered how much I can sync (less takes me less time but means I'll be syncing more often).
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I hope you don't have a twitter nor a facebook account because all the feeds will eat up this precious storage over time and because there's no file manager where you could find precisely the file to delete (likeon the HD2), your only solution will be a hard-reset to free up memory. Good luck and have fun!
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Im pretty sure it doesn't work like that. The oldest feed in the People hub on my handset is 16 hours old. If i want to check older feeds it'll pull those from the cloud for me. I'm not sure if it just keeps a certain number of feeds or if it keeps them for a certain amount of time, but they definitely aren't kept on the phone forever.
Being a new Samsung Focus owner, I'm as stupified as everyone else about the microsd problems. This is a major upgrade option that should have been ready to go at WP7 launch. You would think Samsung and AT&T would have a vested interest in getting this right. Shame on them. But as I'm searching the Interent trying to find information on the correct cards, all I see is a flood of "so-called" experts bashing Microsoft and trying to make this into a big scandal. The truth is, Microsoft put this information out 8 months ago...
Windows Phone 7s won't support user-replaceable memory cards, Kindel said. Microsoft will work with OEMs to make sure that phones have enough storage for media and 3D games, but there will be no MicroSD cards for your music. Some phones could have a MicroSD locked under the battery, but it won't be user-replaceable.
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http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2361377,00.asp
But all of a sudden, the Internet is flooded with articles about how Microsoft screwed up...
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1897918/windows-phone-hotel-california-microsd-cards
http://www.infoworld.com/t/smartphones/windows-phone-7-eats-micro-sd-cards-381
http://blog.laptopmag.com/windows-phone-7-traps-your-microsd-card-forever
http://hothardware.com/News/Windows-Phone-7-Allegedly-Breaks-MicroSD-Cards/
The list goes on and on. Granted, the credibility of these blogs and websites are pretty much nonexistent. I'm sure none of these people who wrote these even bothered to actually pick up a WP7 phone. The real story hear is how eager people are for sensationalism, for whatever bias they have. I guess since I'm talking about this issue, they did their job.
Anyway, thanks to xda-devs, I can sort through all this garbage.
I luv you xda-devs!
Infoworld is actually pretty respected. Im surprised they ran that story.
Sounds like PCWorld's diatribe. They are putting out false statements about WP7. Makes me wonder if certain competitors aren't paying for this misinformation.
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That's what happens when the manufacturers are stupid and the users are gullible.
Everyone knew MONTHS upon MONTHS ahead of time not to expect to replace the SD Card, and Manufacturers are putting all sorts of things in place to disuade people from doing it.
But people are still trying to do it, anyways. Some going as far as basically disassembling their phones to get at the card slot (the same slot that probably exists in dozens of other phone types).
That's pretty annoying, but the most annoying thing is the number of threads that popped up after the Windows Phone 7 launch full of people complaining about the phones not working after the SD was replaced (probably with the cheapest, lowest quality SD card they could find), having warranty stickers over the SD slot, or (in the case of the Dell Venure Pro) not even having an Eject Mechanism in the SD Card Slot (to prevent people from removing it - or at least give thems something to think about when they try...).
I think Microsoft had recommended the Manufacturers actually gluing the SD cards in the phones, because they knew what would happen.
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Sounds like PCWorld's diatribe. They are putting out false statements about WP7. Makes me wonder if certain competitors aren't paying for this misinformation.
PCWorld nonsense
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Wow... seems like PocketNow and PCWorld don't like each other. Maybe they should take things outside?
@N8ter... good points.
albinojoe said:
Infoworld is actually pretty respected. Im surprised they ran that story.
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Looks like they ran another story as well that indirectly contradicts the other one...
http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobilize/windows-phone-7s-sd-card-problem-not-microsofts-fault-385
You can argue whether Windows Phone 7 devices (or iPhones, for that matter) should support standard removable-media formats. But that isn't the point. In this case, Windows Phone 7 is doing exactly what it was designed to do, and what Microsoft said it would do all along.
If Microsoft deserves any blame, it's for relaxing its original "no external storage" rule and letting its hardware partners confuse customers by using a nonproprietary physical standard for a proprietary purpose. I can see why customers are confiused and angry. But blame HTC, LG, and Samsung for this mess. It's their fault.
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That pretty much sums it up in my opinion.
N8ter said:
That's what happens when the manufacturers are stupid and the users are gullible.
Everyone knew MONTHS upon MONTHS ahead of time not to expect to replace the SD Card, and Manufacturers are putting all sorts of things in place to disuade people from doing it.
But people are still trying to do it, anyways. Some going as far as basically disassembling their phones to get at the card slot (the same slot that probably exists in dozens of other phone types).
That's pretty annoying, but the most annoying thing is the number of threads that popped up after the Windows Phone 7 launch full of people complaining about the phones not working after the SD was replaced (probably with the cheapest, lowest quality SD card they could find), having warranty stickers over the SD slot, or (in the case of the Dell Venure Pro) not even having an Eject Mechanism in the SD Card Slot (to prevent people from removing it - or at least give thems something to think about when they try...).
I think Microsoft had recommended the Manufacturers actually gluing the SD cards in the phones, because they knew what would happen.
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Wow! Imagine all the warranty requests or returns that would result from morons that pried on the card to remove it only to break it and then cuss out the manufacturer for putting it in too tight.
Microsoft are to blame for setting the minimum requirement too low and allowing SD cards at all. They and everybody knew that OEMs would make phones with small cards users would want to upgrade.
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Microsoft are to blame for setting the minimum requirement too low and allowing SD cards at all. They and everybody knew that OEMs would make phones with small cards users would want to upgrade.
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I actually know guys that would argue with anyone who told them the card wasn't replaceable (as in expandable storage). Their rationality would be that it's a MicroSD card, it has to be replaceable. And they are ones whom you would not convince otherwise.
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Microsoft are to blame for setting the minimum requirement too low and allowing SD cards at all. They and everybody knew that OEMs would make phones with small cards users would want to upgrade.
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Users knew the phones wouldn't be upgradeable.
They should have just not brought a phone with a small storage capacity.
The only way to run out of space on a 8GB storage capacity WP7 device is to download every song you listen to on Zune Pass (but you can set Zune to not use all you storage... trivially) and load it up with Games (and at 250MB a game even that is a bit much... how many games do you play really?).
That being said. I do think 8GB capacity should be reserved for low-mid end smartphones with low-mid end pricing.
I personally wouldn't pay that much for an 8GB device. That's why I brought a Vibrant even though I was carrier shopping at the time and there were 8GB Droid X's, Evos, Droid Incredibles, etc. available. For some people: No, they don't need all that space, but knowing it's available gives them an extreme level of comfort. I'm one of those people.
But I won't go buy an 8GB device and then complain that it doesn't have enough storage - especially when I knew what the specs were, and that the cards wouldn't be user replaceable, weeks to months ahead of their release.
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I actually know guys that would argue with anyone who told them the card wasn't replaceable (as in expandable storage). Their rationality would be that it's a MicroSD card, it has to be replaceable. And they are ones whom you would not convince otherwise.
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Those are the same people who were ignorantly ripping out PCMCIA Cards and unplugging USB Mass Storage devices back when they they weren't so "hot pluggable" and the icon in the system tray popped up a tip obviously telling them to click there and select "Remove Device" before they actually removed it.
Nothing can help these people.
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Being a new Samsung Focus owner, I'm as stupified as everyone else about the microsd problems. This is a major upgrade option that should have been ready to go at WP7 launch. You would think Samsung and AT&T would have a vested interest in getting this right. Shame on them. But as I'm searching the Interent trying to find information on the correct cards, all I see is a flood of "so-called" experts bashing Microsoft and trying to make this into a big scandal. The truth is, Microsoft put this information out 8 months ago...
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2361377,00.asp
But all of a sudden, the Internet is flooded with articles about how Microsoft screwed up...
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1897918/windows-phone-hotel-california-microsd-cards
http://www.infoworld.com/t/smartphones/windows-phone-7-eats-micro-sd-cards-381
http://blog.laptopmag.com/windows-phone-7-traps-your-microsd-card-forever
http://hothardware.com/News/Windows-Phone-7-Allegedly-Breaks-MicroSD-Cards/
The list goes on and on. Granted, the credibility of these blogs and websites are pretty much nonexistent. I'm sure none of these people who wrote these even bothered to actually pick up a WP7 phone. The real story hear is how eager people are for sensationalism, for whatever bias they have. I guess since I'm talking about this issue, they did their job.
Anyway, thanks to xda-devs, I can sort through all this garbage.
I luv you xda-devs!
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wow, what misinformation. Funny how this new formatting technology has been around for a long time.
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Looks like they ran another story as well that indirectly contradicts the other one...
http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobilize/windows-phone-7s-sd-card-problem-not-microsofts-fault-385
That pretty much sums it up in my opinion.
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As long as you use a class2 sandisk, it seems ok.
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Wow! Imagine all the warranty requests or returns that would result from morons that pried on the card to remove it only to break it and then cuss out the manufacturer for putting it in too tight.
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why would that be a warranty claim? Taking apart your phone voids the warranty.
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I actually know guys that would argue with anyone who told them the card wasn't replaceable (as in expandable storage). Their rationality would be that it's a MicroSD card, it has to be replaceable. And they are ones whom you would not convince otherwise.
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the rational of "microsd is replaceable" is correct. any microsd laying on a table is considered a user-replaceable piece of hardware. any, and all microsd inside a phone, camera, laptop, etc is considered a user replaceable piece of hardware. it's a very simple piece of user replaceable hardware, and that's why it's given in the microsd format (size, shape, storage type).
placing a warrantee sticker over a portion of the phone/device is ASKING for people to pry it away and see what is underneath. warrantee be damned, if the hardware is purchased by a user, it now belongs to said user, reguardless of what a UELA says.
the right way to spec a cheaper board (beit OEM or M$) and then plop on a microsd for storage would have been to put it in a place the user couldn't access. complete disassembly of the phone would have made more sense. glueing it in without sandwiching it between layers of phone would have been a bad idea also. users would damage the phone trying to remove, as stated already.
the decision to use a striped microsd card in a user accessible location was just a poor choice. soldering a 8,16, or 32Gb chip on would have been much better. call it iphone-esque, but it wouldn't have been in discussion or confusion -now-.
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what happened to the "proprietary sdcard" statement i've seen in the past ? has it been debunked, or is it still current ?
sidenote: i'm all for cheap, huge buckets of microsd storage myself.
A chip would be better but more expensive. OEMs just opted for a cheaper option, as usual.
nrfitchett4 said:
wow, what misinformation. Funny how this new formatting technology has been around for a long time.
As long as you use a class2 sandisk, it seems ok.
why would that be a warranty claim? Taking apart your phone voids the warranty.
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I didn't say it was rational or logical. "Moron" is all I needed to say. You know...the type that shoots themselves in the face while looking down the barrel of a gun to see if there's a bullet inside. They then make claims against the gun maker saying it was unsafe. The gun should not fire when pointed at your face.
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the rational of "microsd is replaceable" is correct. any microsd laying on a table is considered a user-replaceable piece of hardware. any, and all microsd inside a phone, camera, laptop, etc is considered a user replaceable piece of hardware. it's a very simple piece of user replaceable hardware, and that's why it's given in the microsd format (size, shape, storage type).
placing a warrantee sticker over a portion of the phone/device is ASKING for people to pry it away and see what is underneath. warrantee be damned, if the hardware is purchased by a user, it now belongs to said user, reguardless of what a UELA says.
the right way to spec a cheaper board (beit OEM or M$) and then plop on a microsd for storage would have been to put it in a place the user couldn't access. complete disassembly of the phone would have made more sense. glueing it in without sandwiching it between layers of phone would have been a bad idea also. users would damage the phone trying to remove, as stated already.
the decision to use a striped microsd card in a user accessible location was just a poor choice. soldering a 8,16, or 32Gb chip on would have been much better. call it iphone-esque, but it wouldn't have been in discussion or confusion -now-.
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what happened to the "proprietary sdcard" statement i've seen in the past ? has it been debunked, or is it still current ?
sidenote: i'm all for cheap, huge buckets of microsd storage myself.
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So it is acceptable to require a company to foot the bill for stupidity? If the owner removes the warranty sticker knowing it voids the warranty, do they have the right to seek warranty repairs when they F it up?
There's only one device with a card that's easily installed, the Focus. The rest make it hard to get to. AT&T and Samsung were advertising this feature, basically against Microsoft's wishes. Now they're all having to backpedal.
I believe there's a software issue here that is exacerbating these problems. The OS is just not resilient enough. I hope Microsoft resolves the software issues and allows more OEMs to ship devices like the Focus which gives the user the choice in how much storage someone needs. 8gb (the WP7 minimum) is PLENTY of storage for a vast number of people. But many of us want more. I'm OK (but not overly joyed) with the cards not being able to be reformatted. Just have to pretend that the storage is embedded.
Regardless of what Microsoft has posted in the past, they had to know about the Focus having the slot long before it was released. So, they obviously planned to allow it at some level. Now, they have only focused on saying that it is not swappable without a hard reset.
Personally, I am glad the slot is there on the Focus. I wouldn't have bought the Focus otherwise. I don't like the Surround or the LG WP7 devices, and I need atleast 16GB of storage. I now have 24GB and I have not had a single problem. I initially had an 8GB Centon Class 6 and replaced that with a 16GB PNY Class 2. I was able to reformat the Centon, using a Nokia Symbian phone, and gave it to a friend to use in his Focus.
I am not sure how or why Samsung was able to offer the accessible SD slot, but I am glad they did.
As far as the media is concerned, the quality of journalism with the online blogs (and even PC-World and other "respected" publications) has been in a decline for the last few years. Ever since blogging started becoming so mainstream, the publications have turned into an assimily of the type FOX, NBC, CNN, etc. fight for ratings or viewers. It is very disappointing.
Apple's "debacle" with the iPhone 4 antenna wasn't anything close to what some made it out to be but Apple still paid a pretty steep price for it. What comes around goes around. If people weren't so gullible or taken to this endless "Us vs Them" mentality, none of this would be an issue.
Personally, I stuck a Sandisk 8GB class 2 card in my Focus and with like 2GB or available storage free it still works as perfectly as it did the day I bought the phone. Something else, too...I didn't waste my time with SD cards in WinMo phones because they were even slower than the rest of the phone. Whatever Microsoft did has improved I/O speed by a magnitude and I welcome it.
So there you go, 2nd gen phones are officially a failure and yes you can call me a hater I don't care.
Microsoft killed the Zunes so they should have made it mandatory that every OEM offers at least one 32GB+ model. If you want people to ditch their PMP give them a good reason to or they might end up ditching it for an iPhone.
http://www.wpcentral.com/it-s-official-samsung-focus-s-has-16gb-non-expandable-storage
Edit: Let me just temper that by saying they're a failure mostly for us who already have a 1st gen phone. I guess for 1st time buyers there is some incentive but not so much (no extra storage, no microSD support, no hardware keyboard)
Ah well. Looks like I'll just hang onto my original Focus. Too bad about this.
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Ah well. Looks like I'll just hang onto my original Focus. Too bad a out this.
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Same here, I will stay with my OMNIA 7.
For 1st gen device owners it´s not very interesting to buy a 2nd gen device.
In my eyes a marketing failure...
Personally I don´t need more storage than 16GB and who is using permanently the FFC ?
I always used only simple voip calls without video and besides I absolutely like my OMNIA 7.
Yet another wp7 phone with disappointing specs and insufficient storage.
Finally I am not really surprised if WP7 is failing.
People who love media and need decent storage will probably move to Android or iOS.
I don't care because I'm waiting for the Nokia dual core 4+" Amoled screen LTE Tango phone that will hopefully be here before Q2 of next year.... And if it isn't, I'll just get an Apollo phone in Q4 of 2012 because my focus is still doing a great job and I can wait till then if necessary.
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I think you mean apollo? Lol. Color me surprised about this phone. These oems are not clueless though. They simply don't care since the old hardware they're using is cheap ad hell and majority of their sales are on android. Samsung sales more bada devices than wp7 at this point. These devices are failing heard at what was supposed be their strongest feature (doubling up as a Zune HD).
I don't see how they expect the devices to sell as a Zune HD replacement, or as a device that is competitive to any of the current high-end smart phones when the OEMs provide sub-par specs on every new WP device. Count me as another one that is sticking with my Focus... and I would have upgraded to the Focus S if they had put a decent amount of local storage in. I'm constantly shuffling things on/off my Focus with 24 GB now, so I'm not going with a smaller storage device.
They don't really have any excuses for the skimping either, as the current GS2 comes in 16 or 32 GB local storage. They've put a cheaper single-core processor in already (and I understand the reasons there), but the Focus S is selling for the same price as a GS2... so there's no excuse to also cut back local storage. This is quite disappointing, as I had already ruled out Nokia's current offerings because of the lack of FFC and small screen size.
I don't want to wait until generation 3 of WP before getting a new device, but the next possibility looks to be the Nokia 900 sometime in the first half of next year. MS really needs to get the OEMs in hand and have them put out devices that have competitive hardware to the other platforms (iPhone 4S, Samsung GS2, Nokia N9, etc.), or they need to start producing their own devices ala XBox. They can't do much worse than the OEMs, as every new device has been a disappointment in one area or another. At this point, I'd be happy if we were getting clones of Android device hardware.
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Same here, I will stay with my OMNIA 7.
For 1st gen device owners it´s not very interesting to buy a 2nd gen device.
In my eyes a marketing failure...
Personally I don´t need more storage than 16GB and who is using permanently the FFC ?
I always used only simple voip calls without video and besides I absolutely like my OMNIA 7.
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If my current Focus was limited to 16GB like the Focus S is, it would be nearly full. And that's without videos. Fortunately my current Focus has the ability of expanding up to 40GB. That's worth a lot to me.
I think I will overlook any new WP7 hardware until MS gets real with it.
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If my current Focus was limited to 16GB like the Focus S is, it would be nearly full. And that's without videos. Fortunately my current Focus has the ability of expanding up to 40GB. That's worth a lot to me.
I think I will overlook any new WP7 hardware until MS gets real with it.
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You replaced the internal SD-Card, right ?
I thought this is only possible for HD7 users...
In that case it would be very stupid if you buy a 2nd gen device...
Why anybody would need more than 16gb is beyond me. I have pretty much every app that I can think of installed and I still have 5 GB left.
No need to put pictures and songs because you can easily have those on the cloud.
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You replaced the internal SD-Card, right ?
I thought this is only possible for HD7 users...
In that case it would be very stupid if you buy a 2nd gen device...
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Actually, unless the AT&T version of the HD7 is different, the Focus is immediately accessable to switch cards out, whereas the HD7 is not and requires a warranty voiding disassembly. The Focus doesn't come with a card and requires users to buy a card separately. But the access to the slot is as open and easy as any Android hardware. A 32GB card is my next option, which will give me 40GB with the internal 8GB.
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Why anybody would need more than 16gb is beyond me. I have pretty much every app that I can think of installed and I still have 5 GB left.
No need to put pictures and songs because you can easily have those on the cloud.
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Unfortunately for AT&T users, the Cloud is not a viable option because of the limited data service. I would never use it anyway for media. And 2GB of data each month is too small to constantly be streaming music and videos with.
karan1203 said:
Why anybody would need more than 16gb is beyond me. I have pretty much every app that I can think of installed and I still have 5 GB left.
No need to put pictures and songs because you can easily have those on the cloud.
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this is exactly my situation. Couldn't agree more.
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Lol people still boasting the cloud as a storage replacement. What if you only have a 200-500 mb data plan?
Thebcloud is useful, very useful.
The cloud is useless as a replacement for true on-device storage.
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No one on this planet should be using a smartphone with 500 MB. You are inviting disaster of biblical proportions.
Yea 5GB of data at least
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The only way I would feel comfortable streaming is with unlimited data.
5GB is pretty tough to run out while streaming music unless you are doing it hours without end. T-mobile has a 10GB option and you'd still be paying less and with better speeds than AT&T.
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No one on this planet should be using a smartphone with 500 MB. You are inviting disaster of biblical proportions.
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In the UK only one maybe two carriers offer over 500MB. Even if that wasn't the case, you don't get 100% coverage so you can't rely exclusively on the cloud. Not to mention scenarios where you travel or damage to your battery. I don't like calling people stupid but some should seriously think about what they say (not addressing you, just some previous posters). Everything on the cloud, really?
Until the industry can produce a battery that can last 40 to 50 hours while streaming on data or WiFi, the Cloud will never be a viable alternative to internal storage for media playing. As it is right now, my iPhone 4 gets 40 hours for music playing and 10 hours for video playing. My Focus gets probably at least 20 hours music playing. Music playing combined with streaming would knock it down to a few hours at best.
When I stream it has little effect on my battery
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Why does the GSM version only have 16GB of memory? Why can't it at least have a microsd slot???
Even the N1 had a microsd slot and then with NS it was removed, but the phone has 16GB built in. That was ok LAST YEAR..
I want a real upgrade, but I can't upgrade to increased storage (with GN) so I can get rid of my Zune and carry a single device.
Will we wind up with a 32GB GSM version or would it be better just to wait and see what the specs look like on SGS3?
I looked at that phone... it's just way too big. For now I will just enjoy my NS on ICS, but I am thinking about either the SGS2 for my next phone (once it has CM9) or just waiting for the SGS3.
maybe just stop listening to stupid noises, at least on the go? hm.
EcPercy said:
Why does the GSM version only have 16GB of memory? Why can't it at least have a microsd slot???
Even the N1 had a microsd slot and then with NS it was removed, but the phone has 16GB built in. That was ok LAST YEAR..
I want a real upgrade, but I can't upgrade to increased storage (with GN) so I can get rid of my Zune and carry a single device.
Will we wind up with a 32GB GSM version or would it be better just to wait and see what the specs look like on SGS3?
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and then you here rumours of another new one on the way with 64gb ........and it goes on and on and on until you realise that you havent upgraded in ten years waiting for the perfect phone that will be the best one out there for years.
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maybe just stop listening to stupid noises, at least on the go? hm.
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LOL!
Well I have 2 hours on the MRT every day + gym 3x a week... I would just like to go from having a phone and dedicated mp3 player to just a phone with all of my music on it.
My Zune.. is nearly 2 years old and has 32GB of storage. You're telling me that a brand new cutting edge phone should be artificially limited to 16GB?
I guess that's what I was getting at. I am at a loss as to why the verizon model has 32GB and the GSM has 16GB. Why even have a 16GB model at all?
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and then you here rumours of another new one on the way with 64gb ........and it goes on and on and on until you realise that you havent upgraded in ten years waiting for the perfect phone that will be the best one out there for years.
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On that note... Why take a step backwards from N1 (My N1 has a 32gb micro sd) to the NS (which I also have) and then stay at the same level with GN?
Maybe I am beating a dead horse, but honestly the GN (other than the screen) doesn't look that appealing because of the storage and the fact that they used the same graphics chip as my NS (slightly overclocked) to drive the huge HD screen. Maybe that doesn't make that big of a difference, but the specs are somewhat of a let down since this is supposed to be setting the bar for other manufacturers with ICS phones.
Right. Why not throw in a 128GB flash storage, just to be on the safe side, right ?
I hate these kind of threads. Do you really need MORE than 16000/5(average track) = 3200 songs on your phone at any time ? Do you need 6400 songs ? Really ? Use Google Music if you really need tens of thousands of tracks with you all the time. Jeez...
Keep in mind that the future IS cloud computing. Don't go bullshitting on me now, it IS KNOWN this is the truth. So if you can't get your act together now, just don't buy THIS particular phone and wait for the phone that is suitable for you and when cloud computing is going to be suitable for you. It's that simple. Rule of thumb: if you're not really keen on buying a 700$ phone (even on contract), because of whatever "defect" from your perspective, just don't buy it.
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Right. Why not throw in a 128GB flash storage, just to be on the safe side, right ?
I hate these kind of threads. Do you really need MORE than 16000/5(average track) = 3200 songs on your phone at any time ? Do you need 6400 songs ? Really ? Use Google Music if you really need tens of thousands of tracks with you all the time. Jeez...
Keep in mind that the future IS cloud computing. Don't go bullshitting on me now, it IS KNOWN this is the truth. So if you can't get your act together now, just don't buy THIS particular phone and wait for the phone that is suitable for you and when cloud computing is going to be suitable for you. It's that simple. Rule of thumb: if you're not really keen on buying a 700$ phone (even on contract), because of whatever "defect" from your perspective, just don't buy it.
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I agree with the first point you made but I totally disagree with cloud computing being the future. It is at times reliable, but it is certainly not something I'd want to risk all the way. I live in New York City where the city is heavily relied on tunnels and subways, service is not always available underground. Because of this, cloud computing for music is a complete fail.
I know you're from Europe, but on the American side. Carriers like to put bandwidth limitations on our 3G/4G and even home broadband. If we exceed a specific limit, we get fined/charged/punished because of it. Another fail for cloud computing. If I have a 720p movie, I would rather have it stored on my hard drive than streaming it from a server.
@OP: Okay, we get your point. We respect your opinion, it would appear that your decision is final. So why don't you go back to the Nexus S forums instead of trying to justify your decision? I carry a media player and phone with me. I know its a huge inconvenience, but at the same time... a lot of battery is being used towards music, so I prefer having it on another device. That's another plus.
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I agree with the first point you made but I totally disagree with cloud computing being the future. It is at times reliable, but it is certainly not something I'd want to risk all the way. I live in New York City where the city is heavily relied on tunnels and subways, service is not always available underground. Because of this, cloud computing for music is a complete fail.
I know you're from Europe, but on the American side. Carriers like to put bandwidth limitations on our 3G/4G and even home broadband. If we exceed a specific limit, we get fined/charged/punished because of it. Another fail for cloud computing. If I have a 720p movie, I would rather have it stored on my hard drive than streaming it from a server.
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As far as reliability goes, I wasn't talking about cloud computing being everywhere right now. IT is out there, but not on global/efficient scale. But in a couple of years, with technology advancements, there won't be any more limitations to spectrum coverage, like in tunnels or areas with no/bad coverage. Also, probably no more bandwidth caps as well. So this IS the future, there's no point in arguing about it. Your point was if it's feasible right now. Well, so and so. You can still rely on Google Music if you want, because it has offline storage. And 3200 offline songs storage capability + streaming when you actually can (not in tunnels), can make your life easier, without the need of 64/128 GB storage. So you can still manage this, if you try; that's what I wanted to say.
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Right. Why not throw in a 128GB flash storage, just to be on the safe side, right ?
I hate these kind of threads. Do you really need MORE than 16000/5(average track) = 3200 songs on your phone at any time ? Do you need 6400 songs ? Really ? Use Google Music if you really need tens of thousands of tracks with you all the time. Jeez...
Keep in mind that the future IS cloud computing. Don't go bullshitting on me now, it IS KNOWN this is the truth. So if you can't get your act together now, just don't buy THIS particular phone and wait for the phone that is suitable for you and when cloud computing is going to be suitable for you. It's that simple. Rule of thumb: if you're not really keen on buying a 700$ phone (even on contract), because of whatever "defect" from your perspective, just don't buy it.
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Glad you dont make the big decisions around here.
Crazy world, ay?
EcPercy said:
On that note... Why take a step backwards from N1 (My N1 has a 32gb micro sd) to the NS (which I also have) and then stay at the same level with GN?
Maybe I am beating a dead horse, but honestly the GN (other than the screen) doesn't look that appealing because of the storage and the fact that they used the same graphics chip as my NS (slightly overclocked) to drive the huge HD screen. Maybe that doesn't make that big of a difference, but the specs are somewhat of a let down since this is supposed to be setting the bar for other manufacturers with ICS phones.
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People seriously need to stop underestimating the Galaxy Nexus hardware, I would dare to say it beats every other phone on the market.
Closest thing would be the iPhone 4S.
I don't know why google didn't make the GSM version 32 gb, but with Google Music you don't need to worry about storage space, when it comes to music at least.
Google Music and an unlimited dataplan works fine, or use spotify.
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Well I have 2 hours on the MRT every day + gym 3x a week...
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Yikes you listen to that much music with an mp3 player everyday? You must have no idea what damage you are doing to your stereocilia. Your threshold of activation of your stereocilia is probably permanently shifted by now. Pretty sad considering you are probably young yet sustained that much damage in a short amount of life span.
I highly suggest you take a college course on the anatomy of the ear and how hearing works. Once you realize how delicate your inner ear is, you won't be f*cking with nature by listening to that much direct ear damaging music.
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Glad you dont make the big decisions around here.
Crazy world, ay?
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That's a very constructive and effective commentary, good job ! I bet mama's very proud of her son's intelligence.
Y'all have to be the most unhelpful bunch I've seen yet. Of course, then again, there's not much to help here.
Maybe OP would be better served with an SGSII, if he needs the microSD slot?
BlackOtaku said:
Y'all have to be the most unhelpful bunch I've seen yet. Of course, then again, there's not much to help here.
Maybe OP would be better served with an SGSII, if he needs the microSD slot?
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What help can we even provide him with?
Why ask this on a forum, Google are more likely to know the answer.
SamsungVibrant said:
Yikes you listen to that much music with an mp3 player everyday? You must have no idea what damage you are doing to your stereocilia. Your threshold of activation of your stereocilia is probably permanently shifted by now. Pretty sad considering you are probably young yet sustained that much damage in a short amount of life span.
I highly suggest you take a college course on the anatomy of the ear and how hearing works. Once you realize how delicate your inner ear is, you won't be f*cking with nature by listening to that much direct ear damaging music.
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Some of us use reasonable listening volumes.
zephiK said:
I agree with the first point you made but I totally disagree with cloud computing being the future. It is at times reliable, but it is certainly not something I'd want to risk all the way. I live in New York City where the city is heavily relied on tunnels and subways, service is not always available underground. Because of this, cloud computing for music is a complete fail.
I know you're from Europe, but on the American side. Carriers like to put bandwidth limitations on our 3G/4G and even home broadband. If we exceed a specific limit, we get fined/charged/punished because of it. Another fail for cloud computing. If I have a 720p movie, I would rather have it stored on my hard drive than streaming it from a server.
@OP: Okay, we get your point. We respect your opinion, it would appear that your decision is final. So why don't you go back to the Nexus S forums instead of trying to justify your decision? I carry a media player and phone with me. I know its a huge inconvenience, but at the same time... a lot of battery is being used towards music, so I prefer having it on another device. That's another plus.
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The point is that if you're out and you don't happen to have a certain song you wanna hear on your phone, you can stream it.
It's not meant to be a total replacement.
look, the gnex is the best fone right now. period. and it will be. till the next nexus. get it and you wont regret. the camera and the display will just blow you away. then you will go to the bathroom and come back and turn it on and the display will blow you away again. wat can i say, it has been happening to me every time i turn it on for the past 4 days! Same as you, storage was the biggest concern for me too. But my music and gameloft games fit fine on it, as far as movies go, i just got a usb otg cable and use my existing usb key/microsd. problem solved. for regular use, i would say 32gb is perfect, but 16gb gets the job done quite well, plus usb otg for vids! and i turnd my fone on again and went "wow"!
Gsm its sexier than lte ...
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dario3040 said:
I don't know why google didn't make the GSM version 32 gb, but with Google Music you don't need to worry about storage space, when it comes to music at least.
Google Music and an unlimited dataplan works fine, or use spotify.
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I would say you are spot on here, but... I mentioned before that I spend 2 hours a day on the MRT. For those in the USA you would better know this as the Subway. The internet just isn't good enough for constant streaming while moving along in the train and we have TONS of people all checking the internet as well so that makes your speed go WAY down even when you are above ground.
Now that my phone (NS) has ICS I can see what kind of data google music is using, but I am a little sceptical that you can use google music and not go over your data limit for the month. I have a 12GB plan for data, but I am also sharing that data with my GT 10.1 and I watch TONS of YT videos while at work.
Now for everyone else. Don't get me wrong. I like google phones. I have owned the N1 and NS. I am ready for a phone upgrade now, but torn. I want the newest google experience phone. I prefer that to any of the UI addons that come from the manufacturers. I HATE touch UX on my GT 10.1 and I can't wait to get rid of it for CM9 (when it is out on my tab). I can wait if 16GB is all we get for storage. Maybe the 16GB version is all that will come out until Samsung gets the initial demand met and then we will see larger version like a 32 and 64GB model. (who knows right?)
My NS is currently sitting at less than 2GB of free space and my old GT10.1 (also 16GB) was sitting at about 1GB free after I put some cbt nuggets on it to watch while I am at work to prepare for a certification exam. I have since gotten a GT 10.1 (32GB) and I am not hurting at all for storage, but this is not practical to use as an MP3 player while working out...
So that's it. I am not dogging the hardware. I am just questioning the storage decision with more and more apps coming out that have extra downloads after installing the initial app you are going to need more and more space.
Any idea or news on when the 32 GB Note 8 is to be released in the US? Cannot find news anywhere even though they announced as if its being released as well.
I asked this question in the Samsung store in the UK to which I was told that they only intend in stocking the 16gb version in the short term as they deemed it the most cost effective option given that it has expandable memory with the microSD card slot.
I told them that this was of no use to me as I know how quickly I can fill 16bg with apps that cant be transferred to external storage...
I'd say this, rather than the screen resolution, is the weakest part of this and other tablets - a lot of manufacturers are still using 2011 vintage memory allocations on 2013 devices.
My workaround is at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2244428 but it's a compromise solution. It does deal with the issue of what's actually available to put my mitts on, but I realize I may well be unloading this tablet as early as August once the new Nexus is available.
The only compromise I have found so far is to wait . . . for Expansys-USA to get the 32GB WiFi & 32GB WIFi + 3G version in (links below) sadly they do not have an eta or pricing yet. These are realy 32GB devices as I did ask that question and not 16GB + 16GB microSD cards as some creative sellers are trying to pawn off.
http://www.expansys-usa.com/samsung-galaxy-note-8-0-32gb-wifi-android-tablet-247125/
http://www.expansys-usa.com/samsung-galaxy-note-8-0-32gb-wifi-3g-tablet-247127/
What I find insulting from Samsung and these retailers is claiming the 16GB is even suitable when clearly its not with today's app sizes and how little storage you actually get 9.87GB. Samsung should be really focused on making a 32GB version more price competitive and taking Apple on with a 32GB + 64GB microSD slot capable 8" Tablet.
If a black or grey 32GB Galaxy Note 8.0 was available on launch, I would have purchased it.
It wasn't. I didn't.
More and more it looks like I will be going with the next Nexus 7 (hoping it is 7.7")
Vincent Vegas said:
If a black or grey 32GB Galaxy Note 8.0 was available on launch, I would have purchased it.
It wasn't. I didn't.
More and more it looks like I will be going with the next Nexus 7 (hoping it is 7.7")
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I would still favor the Note 8 32GB,
1. for the stylus
2. microSD
Galaxy S4 ?? or HTC ONE or Xperia Z is still a big question....
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I don't get why Samsung keeps jerking the US market around with 16GB devices that have less than 10GB of actual space available. They know damn well you can't put apps on the SD cards anymore and yet they continue to act like this is 2010 with the memory. Memory is cheap, its so cheap and they could charge $50 more for 32GB or just sell a 32GB version and sell more, more, more. I am watching Expansys-USA for the 32GB GN 8.0 but honestly I wonder IF they will actually get them.
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I don't get why Samsung keeps jerking the US market around with 16GB devices that have less than 10GB of actual space available. They know damn well you can't put apps on the SD cards anymore and yet they continue to act like this is 2010 with the memory. Memory is cheap, its so cheap and they could charge $50 more for 32GB or just sell a 32GB version and sell more, more, more. I am watching Expansys-USA for the 32GB GN 8.0 but honestly I wonder IF they will actually get them.
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thats because they are not trying to sell us (customers) a good product, but to drive out apples market share. The Note 8.0 is priced and featured very close to the iPad mini, with just a slight edge, so that they can make the most of it. FYI look in other markets its the same...
I hope they come out of this and start developing products for the customers (like apple does) and take the lead...
After watching most of the the Steve Jobs Interviews and talks, one statement he made stands out to me...
"we make devices which we can give to our friends and family" that sentence itself has a lot of deep meaning... hopefully someone will
understand it and get on with it...
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I doubt if we ever see a 32gb version in the States, either WiFi only or 3G, unless it is a Verizon- or carrier-branded model so they can fill it up with more bloat, LOL.
I waited forever for a 32GB version of the Int'l N7100 Note II, and even though it was stated in the original product announcement, AFAIK it was never released. Does anybody here actually have one???
Korea's sole version is a 64GB LTE model, but those bands don't work in the U.S. or any other market that I know of. Every "32GB" version of the Note II that I could find ended up being the "16GB + 16GB mSD" from shifty sellers.
And what do you think Samsung's actual cost is for an extra 16GB (a 32GB chip)? 50¢? Certainly no more than $5.
This is really a pet peeve of mine with Samsung. I keep hoping that they will emulate Apple with their product announcements. With Apple, at least you know straight away at the product announcement/keynotes EXACTLY what models will be released including the COST, and WHEN, and WHERE.
ARE YOU LISTENING, SAMSUNG? I really don't want to buy any more Apple products, but HONESTLY, would you blame me?
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I bought 16gb version last Saturday but yesterday found some stuck pixels. Didn't hesitate to call Samsung after sales support and they asked to take it back and in fact nobody cared to check too much if my claims were right. Odin counter had some marks also and the device was not running the original stock FW. Took my money back and now will get 32gb version later this week hopefully
xiaotuo said:
I bought 16gb version last Saturday but yesterday found some stuck pixels. Didn't hesitate to call Samsung after sales support and they asked to take it back and in fact nobody cared to check too much if my claims were right. Odin counter had some marks also and the device was not running the original stock FW. Took my money back and now will get 32gb version later this week hopefully
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All things are pointing towards a Note 8 in 32gb form not ever being released. Even countries that are advertising the 32gb, don't really mention how much it costs or if it's truly available. I really wish they would've released a 32, as I would've paid the difference to get the higher memory version.
I ended up purchasing a Note 8 yesterday. I had been holding out, but couldn't stand waiting any longer. First one I bought was an open box and had dead pixels and light leak. I paid the difference and just got a new one today. So far so good, but we'll see if no light leak holds true through my 15 day return period.
drexappeal said:
All things are pointing towards a Note 8 in 32gb form not ever being released. Even countries that are advertising the 32gb, don't really mention how much it costs or if it's truly available. I really wish they would've released a 32, as I would've paid the difference to get the higher memory version.
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I really hope that isnt the case. I've been following this device for a few months now. It was meant to be me one device to rule them all! With out the ability to store more than a few games though I will still have to take a seperate gaming device for my entertainment, at which point I ask, what it the point of me forking out the extra money? Its already a premium device (vs the NEXUS at least anyway) why would they not want to make it the best it could be with a minor addition of extra storage?
If I'm going to have to carry more than one device, I might as well just get a cheap gaming tablet that will cover most of my other requirements as well and a paper notepad. Far cheaper, and i wont have to worry about the battery life running out for the notes that I need to take.
I really want the 32GB though and will import one from anywhere in the world if I find somewhere that is stocking it.
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I really hope that isnt the case. I've been following this device for a few months now. It was meant to be me one device to rule them all! With out the ability to store more than a few games though I will still have to take a seperate gaming device for my entertainment, at which point I ask, what it the point of me forking out the extra money? Its already a premium device (vs the NEXUS at least anyway) why would they not want to make it the best it could be with a minor addition of extra storage?
If I'm going to have to carry more than one device, I might as well just get a cheap gaming tablet that will cover most of my other requirements as well and a paper notepad. Far cheaper, and i wont have to worry about the battery life running out for the notes that I need to take.
I really want the 32GB though and will import one from anywhere in the world if I find somewhere that is stocking it.
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Believe me, I'd been holding out also. If they do end up offering the 32, that means my current Note 8 goes on sale...lol.
Posted from my G-Note II.
hertsjoatmon said:
I really hope that isnt the case. I've been following this device for a few months now. It was meant to be me one device to rule them all! With out the ability to store more than a few games though I will still have to take a seperate gaming device for my entertainment, at which point I ask, what it the point of me forking out the extra money? Its already a premium device (vs the NEXUS at least anyway) why would they not want to make it the best it could be with a minor addition of extra storage?
If I'm going to have to carry more than one device, I might as well just get a cheap gaming tablet that will cover most of my other requirements as well and a paper notepad. Far cheaper, and i wont have to worry about the battery life running out for the notes that I need to take.
I really want the 32GB though and will import one from anywhere in the world if I find somewhere that is stocking it.
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I also had my heart set on the 32gb... but as I've been obsessively following this device since the first rumour images were leaked... I just couldn't handle waiting any longer.
I ended up getting the 3G model, and then spent a considerable sum of money on a SanDisk UHS Ultra class10 64gb MicroSD card... which I then followed this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2276193
to make my device believe the MicroSD was infact my internal memory - allowing me to install apps + games to my hearts content.
So while I bought a GNote 16GB 3G + MicroSD slot.
I now have:
A GNote 64GB 3G + Spare 9.87GB storage partition (instead of an available MicroSD slot). :laugh:
If you are concerned about the loss of use of the MicroSD slot, then simply get a yourself a Micro-USB OTG to USB adaptor like this one: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005FUNYSA/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_8?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AMRKIIKW22PW7
which you will then be able to plug in any usb peripheral, from flash drives, ext. Hard Drives, to usb card readers.
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I also had my heart set on the 32gb... but as I've been obsessively following this device since the first rumour images were leaked... I just couldn't handle waiting any longer.
I ended up getting the 3G model, and then spent a considerable sum of money on a SanDisk UHS Ultra class10 64gb MicroSD card... which I then followed this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2276193
to make my device believe the MicroSD was infact my internal memory - allowing me to install apps + games to my hearts content.
So while I bought a GNote 16GB 3G + MicroSD slot.
I now have:
A GNote 64GB 3G + Spare 9.87GB storage partition (instead of an available MicroSD slot). :laugh:
If you are concerned about the loss of use of the MicroSD slot, then simply get a yourself a Micro-USB OTG to USB adaptor like this one: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005FUNYSA/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_8?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AMRKIIKW22PW7
which you will then be able to plug in any usb peripheral, from flash drives, ext. Hard Drives, to usb card readers.
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I dont think I will go full blown MicroDS slot use as my internal memory as I like to use MicroSD on many of my devices too much and dont want to lose the ability to be able to pop it out and stick another one in with out having to carry additional peripherals with me. I like to take photographs and shoot in RAW (not that that really makes any difference). While using a cameras screen for previews is OK, id like to be able to pop my micrSD card into my tablet to get a better view of my photos and help me cull the missed shots while im out and about rather than wait until I get home. When shooting at 10 frames per second, you end up with alot of unwanted shots, but its worth it to get that one perfect one!
I've commented and started various threads about the 32GB availability and options for expanding the 16gb memory and think that my solition will be to use FolderMount to move all the data files to the external SD while still keeping the apk files on the internal device.
http://geeknizer.com/link-map-move-internal-sdcard-app-folders-to-external/
That should solve my problem of available space for apps and still allow me to use multiple sd cards (when not using the apps that have their data files on the microSD).
I will try FolderMount on my Transformer over the next few days to see if it does what I hope before going to the Samsung store in Stratford this weekend to pick up my Note (providing I have the funds to do so by then).
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I will try FolderMount on my Transformer over the next few days to see if it does what I hope before going to the Samsung store in Stratford this weekend to pick up my Note (providing I have the funds to do so by then).
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Tried FolderMount. It wouldnt work
My TF101 is rooted with TEAMEOS4 ROM and KAT Kernel. I get an error message of Illegal Instruction when I try to select a folder.
Hope that wont be the case on the Note 8.0
Sorry to hear that for your sake.
Perhaps start another thread focusing on FolderMount... See if anyone here has given it a go.
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Just for your interests sake, seeing as you want to make comics... I found this app last night and had a bit of a play with it. It's actually pretty good. My only wish is there were a few more panel templates... but for getting started, it's probably the easiest and fastest way to compose and format your comics.
You *will* have to generate the panel graphics yourself in another program, but once youve done that, it's a piece of pie adding speach/thought balloons and composing your graphics the way you want.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.roundwoodstudios.comicstripitpro&hl=en
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Sorry to hear that for your sake.
Perhaps start another thread focusing on FolderMount... See if anyone here has given it a go.
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Just for your interests sake, seeing as you want to make comics... I found this app last night and had a bit of a play with it. It's actually pretty good. My only wish is there were a few more panel templates... but for getting started, it's probably the easiest and fastest way to compose and format your comics.
You *will* have to generate the panel graphics yourself in another program, but once youve done that, it's a piece of pie adding speach/thought balloons and composing your graphics the way you want.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.roundwoodstudios.comicstripitpro&hl=en
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Thanks and Thanks.
Found a thread in a different forum that I added to about FolderMount and raised the issue in the TEAMEOS Rom thread as well.
That app looks interesting. Seemed to think there was something like that that came with the note as standard. At least it was on the demo unit I played with at the Samsung store...
Simple. Marketing extortion.
Really, you'll see all the vendors playing the same games with minimum memory onboard these days. Memory is after all cheap, so why not offer higher memory versions? Well, it starts with the cellular providers and their marketing plans. The cellular providers, like AT&T and Verizon, will not order or sell any devices with gobs of memory on them. Even if they are available on the global market, the US carriers won't offer them at all.
This is simply clever marketing (or marketing extortion, depending on your point of view) which is designed to force the customer into using "the cloud" for memory and storage. And that benefits the carriers because they charge by the byyte for the data you have to transmit. Clever, isn't it? So they refuse to order the devices with larger memory, and they discourage the vendors from offering them at all. And set a discouraging premium price on the higher memory models because, after all, you can always buy the cheap one and use the cloud.
Ah, but the Note isn't a cellular device, it uses WiFi...So what? The policy is applied across all devices. After all, you wouldn't want customers to notice a difference in devices would you? And if the customer has to use more Wifi data transfer, guess what? More cable companies are looking to charge by usage, and all the carriers are trying to upsell higher speed data transfer. So again, lots of people make more money when they all quietly agree to sell devices with the least tolerable amount of memory.
Why should I need an iPod, when my phone or tablet could carry a hundred gigs of music? Oh, wait, because my carrier would rather charge me for the byte to keep that stored in the cloud, and charge me again every time I accessed it. This is the same logic they use when FM radios are disabled or removed from US versions of cell phones, that receive FM radio for free, instead of subscribing to internet radio in the US.
The big vendors aren't interest in what you want, unless it makes money for them. So if they can force you into spending more and getting less...Yeah, it really is that simple. a 64GB tablet could sell for $50 more than an 8GB tablet. But you'll be hard-pressed to find anyone bold enough to sell it that way.