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I don't know if anyone has any knowledge about this but the official omnia7 website states 8/16gb. Does this mean we will get a choice like the iPhone or is this them just saying guess what America is getting more like HTC have done.

Omnia7 won't be released in the US.

I didn't realize this, thats good i guess limits this possibility though there is still the Asian market but lets hope. 16gb isn't a great deal but its enough for me where as 8 would mean a lot of sacrifice.

Tom Servo said:
Omnia7 won't be released in the US.
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The Omnia 7 is the equivalent of the Samsung Focus which is going to be released in the US. Like many phones, they have different names in different countries. Anyway, in the US it will be sold with 8GB and will be upgradeable to an additional 32GB for a total of 40GB by the user. The internal memory is upgradeable but not removeable and will require a hard reset after the change is made. This is due to the way that the OS will use the additional memory and write files spanning the entire volume.

The question is, will the EU version, a.k.a Omnia 7 be upgradeable aswell?
It would make sense if the upgrading works like spanning devices, you can add drives but you can't remove them.

I don't think it will have the card slot like the focus but the 2 specs seem odd to me. I really hope you can chose to have a larger capacity this is the only thing holding this phone back.

lumpaywk said:
I don't think it will have the card slot like the focus but the 2 specs seem odd to me. I really hope you can chose to have a larger capacity this is the only thing holding this phone back.
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yes, em 2, and maybe the price, but yeah, we still don't know it ;D

The Omnia 7 won't have upgradeable memory. And the 8GB version is available for preorder for £500 in UK. They simply lost their minds.

^ please tell me you're joking.

I really fear that martoto isn't joking.
And the website http://www.omnia7.samsungmobile.com/ doesn't say anything about MicroSD...

martoto said:
The Omnia 7 won't have upgradeable memory. And the 8GB version is available for preorder for £500 in UK. They simply lost their minds.
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Omnia 7 appears to be upgradeable according to these UK specs.
http://www.reghardware.com/2010/10/12/windows_mobile_7_what_and_where/

According to engadget the omnia 7 doesn't have microSD slot : http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/11/windows-phone-7-handsets-the-tale-of-the-tape/

From what I have read and its been a lot, I think there is no SD card slot but there is more than likly 2 versions one 8gb and one 16gb

It's really easy for these companies to ship versions with varrying amounts of memory. The software stays the same and the hardware stays the same except a higher density flash chip.

Paolo01 said:
Omnia 7 appears to be upgradeable according to these UK specs.
http://www.reghardware.com/2010/10/12/windows_mobile_7_what_and_where/
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TheBexFr said:
According to engadget the omnia 7 doesn't have microSD slot : http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/11/windows-phone-7-handsets-the-tale-of-the-tape/
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The first link says 8GB internal with an MicroSD for expansion. Egadget says 8GB internal and they do niether confirm nor deny the MicroSD.
The question is, will it be possible to add a SD card afterwards? It shouldn't be any problem, as long as the filesystem supports it.

I don't know about specs sheets accurancy from quoted sources, but I prefer to believe on my eyes. Simply, I can't see any memory extension slot:
http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php3?sImg=reviewsimg/samsung-i8700-omnia-7/phone/gsmarena_026.jpg
And here is the preorder price from clove, a nice number of £500:
http://www.clove.co.uk/samsung-omnia-7-gt-i8700
I can live with 8GB + Microsoft's cloud service, however this price is a great dissapointment IMHO. It does not correspond to the actuall hardware and software for that device.

martoto said:
I don't know about specs sheets accurancy from quoted sources, but I prefer to believe on my eyes. Simply, I can't see any memory extension slot:
http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php3?sImg=reviewsimg/samsung-i8700-omnia-7/phone/gsmarena_026.jpg
And here is the preorder price from clove, a nice number of £500:
http://www.clove.co.uk/samsung-omnia-7-gt-i8700
I can live with 8GB + Microsoft's cloud service, however this price is a great dissapointment IMHO. It does not correspond to the actuall hardware and software for that device.
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look at the far right of the sim card slot just above the battery pins...there is another slot...looks like it might be micro sd...

It's a pictogram for the SIM card. There's no slot there.
Also, the placement of the camera sensor alone shows that it's a different board from the Focus.

I have just talked to tmobile who have the omnia 7 up for pre order and they only know of the 8gb version. It is also about £200 more expensive when compared to the same deal orange have for the mozart. I'm not being funny here am i in thinking is .32 and samoled screen worth £200 more?

Size Confusion
Hi,
I notice that Samsung's site shows the Omnia 7 as coming in both 8Gb and 16Gb capacities. Go to omnia7.samsungmobile.com and click on Specifications link at the bottom of the page. To add confusion though, the Press Kit downloadable from the Media section shows 8Gb only.
In the UK I'm currently on O2 and would like to stay on that network purely because I get to skip queues at O2 venues for gigs. It certainly came in handy at Ozzfest. microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-gb/buy/7/phones.aspx#filter=40 shows that O2 are going to offer the Omnia 7 too - does anybody know if this is correct? I know O2 are beefing up the HD7 in Europe to the 16Gb model so perhaps they're doing the same with the Omnia 7?
It surprises me that T-Mobile are 8Gb-only since the Omnia 7 is Europe-only. Does anyone know if anyone else has confirmed the 16Gb version?
Off-topic: Does anyone know if Orange are selling the phone SIM-free and the cost? £500 from Clover seems rather expensive o_0
I'm going to head to a few stores tonight on the way home and if I find out anything I'll post back.

[Q] UK Not receiving 32GB version?

I was a little disheartened to read that UK will not be receiving the 32GB version http://blog.clove.co.uk/2011/10/19/...16gb-available-to-pre-order-at-clove-429-vat/
Wasn't sure if I was going to spring for it, but would still have liked the option. What does the UK contingent in here think of this?
BANE

Slightly irritated if that's true. The 32GB model would be my choice especially since again they will decline to let us use sd cards.
To be honest I'd love to know googles official response on this one.
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At first I was a bit annoyed but I've still got 7gb free on my Nexus S and doubt if I will need 32gb anyway. It would have been nice to have the option though (assuming the statement from Clove is acccurate). If I used my phone as my main music player, 16gb just wouldn't be enough. Yes we have cloud services, but these are useless unless you have an unlimited data plan and decent network coverage.
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Yes, an official google response would be good here. At the moment I have a nexus 1. I have a 16gb micro sd and the 512 internal. I'm not even nearly full. I too don't use my phone for music and don't really store much video, however I'm thinking in circumstances where I may WANT to take 1080P video, 32 GB may be a better option.
If there isn't a 32GB uk version I guess we'll have to look for European orders?
BANE

Haven't read the details yet but certainly would have liked to have the option to do the cost vs MB choice.
Saying that I'm still very interested to know when and how much for the base 16 MB version.
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Clove is quoting £515 sim free for the 16gb version.

Isn't this quite common with Samsung devices for the UK not to get the larger capacity versions? Happened with the original GS & now again with the GS2.

I would expect enough uk demand would change Samsung's or googles mind if its true naturally!
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Interesting. I really have no need for the 32GB version either, but unless it's significantly more, I was planning on going that route as well simply because of 1080p video recording and the way that apps are getting larger and larger. I don't plan on really doing a lot with those kinds of things, but it's nice to have the option.
On my SGS, my internal SD is 1.85GB with 1.37GB available and the SD Card formats to 12.78GB with 3.47GB currently free. It's mostly full of stuff I really, really don't need on there like a couple dozen different CM7 Nightlies, Nandroids and several flashable zips of various Froyo Roms/random stuff. I could easily free it up to 7GB's without touching my music and pics, I just haven't cleaned it out in a long while.

But why no option for the UK? Where is the logic when normally higher capacity models are priced well in excess of the additional cost of the memory? Any other countries being so treated?

Not that I have come across as of yet. I guess as we move into November we'll have more information.
Samsung! Bring the 32GB Galaxy Nexus to the UK!!!

sadly i use a 16gb card to the max in my Desire .....
was really looking forward to the Nexus release but to be honest if im permanently going to be limited to 16gb then it counts me out
Will be looking at other 'coming soon' phones as im up for renewal in December or fall back on a GS2 .....

Don't bother me, though I have complained about the lack of a memory card slot, I never really keep a lot on my phone and tend to offload larger items such as videos in fairly quick order.

I was on the fence on this device, and this kind of decides for me. I'll wait until the first batch of HTC or Motorola Ice Cream Sandwich devices.
Sigh.
I will lie to myself and pretend I didn't want the screen anyway.

This has really blown me away, I can't see the resoning behind this. What a kick in the teeth, 16GB is not nearly enough. The lack of sd-card is a big pet hate of mine but to hear that only the 16GB will be available, that's the end of me getting this phone.

I'll be so upset if a 32gb version doesnt come out! I use my phone alot for music.
My current music folder takes up 10gb. On a 16gb device i'd only have about 2-3gb free left to use.

Handtec is not a UK shop? They are listing the 32GB version.
http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.php/5815/samsung-galaxy-nexus-32gb--sim-free-unlocked-/

poisike said:
Handtec is not a UK shop? They are listing the 32GB version.
http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.php/5815/samsung-galaxy-nexus-32gb--sim-free-unlocked-/
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For a very attractive price.

Dragooon123 said:
For a very attractive price.
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Lol, yes! Won't stay that low for long though .... get it while you can. ;-)
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poisike said:
Handtec is not a UK shop? They are listing the 32GB version.
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They're only accepting preorders for the 16GB version though and under the product Q&A it says: "No dates yet on this handset. Please see 16GB version for now."
So not exactly promising
16GB is a deal breaker for me too, it just isn't enough for me without an sdcard slot.

Storage and the Cloud: Let's be reasonable, people...

I started writing this post in another thread but I felt it was better off in it's own. Please read it in full if you're going to respond, I know it's long but you'll just look silly if you don't:
The reality is that most data plans are limited to 500MB, or if you're lucky 1GB, and for the vast majority of users this is way more than enough - in my case I do occasionally go over, which is why I'm on a plan where I just pay £5 per 500MB, it might not be the cheapest option but it's the best for me, and my bills are normally £30 a month, which is very reasonable for the quality of service I get.
Most people will never use the cloud features on their phones, in reality. Fair enough, some people will require a phone with a larger storage capacity. It would be nice to see some phones with larger storage, but there is a massive problem: take a phone with big storage, or with storage size options, to a mobile network, and they'll just charge an absolute fortune for it, so nobody will buy it. That limits your market to SIM free devices- and maybe a few people will buy it then, but probably not enough to make it worth your while.
What you guys that want extra storage have to prove is that you can get enough people on board to make it worthwhile for Samsung/HTC/Nokia to get out of bed and do it. With android/iPhone that isn't a problem because average joe will buy it regardless and probably won't have a clue what they're buying, but Windows Phone is a harder sell, despite being a better system (in a lot of our opinons, I believe).
In the meantime, firstly why are videos so important to you? On a 4" screen my eyesight would be pretty screwed after about half an hour, which is why I have a 32GB Android tablet for videos, with a nice comfortable 10" screen, and it just stays in the bag that comes with me. On the odd occasion I don't have my tablet, then Youtube is normally more than enough and using it only occasionally doesn't hack out at my data plan.
For music, I don't know of anybody who actually listens to their entire music collection on their phone, and in my own perfect world I wish people would realise this. My way around not being able to store all of my music on my phone is to just have a smart playlist of tracks that I have starred, automatically synchronising 250 of my starred tracks to my phone at random- that way I have a nice selection of music I know I like, which in a way is better because I'm making better use of my collection, and I get nice surprises occasionally.
In summary, I just want to ask of everyone: Please just remember almost nobody is in the same precise position as you. It's great that there is a large range of people here with a range of opinions, but you have to understand that assuming that everybody is the same as you is just going to annoy people. There is nothing wrong with expressing that you would like a phone with more internal storage - but say it, then move on. Don't carry on saying it over and over. And if you don't want a phone with more internal storage, say it, then move on. Don't start arguments because you don't agree with people.
I personally love my HTC 7 Pro and won't be changing it. It isn't perfect, but I'm not going to moan endlessly about what's wrong with it, I'm going to give my opinion where it's relevant, and if there's a good response I'll back it up with my reasoning. That's how forums should work.

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What you guys that want extra storage have to prove is that you can get enough people on board to make it worthwhile for Samsung/HTC/Nokia to get out of bed and do it.
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The best way to show OEMs that it's worthwile would be for one of them to have one out and for the others to see how it sells. Not by having everyone on this forum sending them a letter. The question is they don't they make the effort, at least once? When you see a N9 with 64GB and a Lumia 800 with 16GB it hurts.

Really not sure why its thought only apple can accomplish things like having a smartphone line with large storage options. There's a very simple solution to this: offer a larger 32GB storage option at a $100 premium in limited quantities (just like Dell did with the DVP) and see what happens. In Dell's case it didn't sell well (likely due to their distribution model) and it was withdrawn. OEM's like HTC and Samsung will be better placed to make this option work but again, have the option to withdraw the higher priced option.
In any case, it seems they are still in softly softly mode with WP7 so I doubt anyone but Nokia will be the first to offer higher levels of storage. The cloud though is absolutely not the blanket solution for everybody, though it works for some but for others the current storage options will definitely be insufficient.

Apple did perfectly well. They decided to remove slot for SD cards but logically they offered 32GB and 64GB versions of their devices in order to compensate the loss of expandable storage.
Microsoft removed the SD card slot but is unable to propose any hardware having more than 16GB (actually it is only 13.2GB once the OS is installed).
Sorry but this is not acceptable.
Apple has only one hardware and offers you the choice.
MS works with several OEM and fails to propose more than 16GB.
The lack of storage, the lack of alternative finally made me switch to Android.
Congrats Microsoft !

Good responses, thanks! I think the main reason that none of the OEMs has released a higher capacity model is sheer numbers.
With Android, even if the high capacity model sells 10% of the volume of the low capacity version, that's still a lot of units. With WP7, though, the sales of the single model probably aren't enough to justify making variations as that will just make it harder to sell to the distributor (the network, mainly).
Like you efjay, I'm hopeful that with Nokia on board and Mango being more like the sort of feature-rich software people demand volumes will slowly start to increase and the manufacturers will start to break their model ranges into more variants.
IMHO a MASSIVE problem with the distribution models as they are is exclusivity - with WP7, the absolute key is going to be making every device available everywhere, so as many people see it/try it/want it as conceivably possible. With exclusives, you're limiting distribution of an already limited distribution product, and that's going to harm growth.

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Apple did perfectly well. They decided to remove slot for SD cards but logically they offered 32GB and 64GB versions of their devices in order to compensate the loss of expandable storage.
Microsoft removed the SD card slot but is unable to propose any hardware having more than 16GB (actually it is only 13.2GB once the OS is installed).
Sorry but this is not acceptable.
Apple has only one hardware and offers you the choice.
MS works with several OEM and fails to propose more than 16GB.
The lack of storage, the lack of alternative finally made me switch to Android.
Congrats Microsoft !
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I never said that Apple didn't do well. What I said, was that WP7 has to be targeted at a big, but specific type of consumer base to work well, and that most of that consumer base probably don't know or care how much storage they have - once the volumes increase, then there will be more variants with more storage, but right now there is no incentive to provide high capacity variants because the networks will price them out of the market and they won't sell to joe public.

andrewkeith5 said:
IMHO a MASSIVE problem with the distribution models as they are is exclusivity - with WP7, the absolute key is going to be making every device available everywhere, so as many people see it/try it/want it as conceivably possible. With exclusives, you're limiting distribution of an already limited distribution product, and that's going to harm growth.
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Difference here is the territory. In Europe (and the UK in particular) the Lumia devices will be on practically every carrier (except it seems O2 cos of their iphone love) and are being backed by a huge marketing campaign and incentives to customers and probably sales staff. You can even pre-order the Nokia phones which has never happened for any other WP7 device. In the US however, the story is radically different - T-Mobile has announced only 1 new device, nothing for Sprint and Verizon, which leaves at&t who will have 3 new devices and none of these devices are being given special treatment, rather they are just being thrown up on the carrier's website with no fanfare. With that kind of lopsided distribution and lack of promotion, along with the acknowledged bias, its no wonder WP7 struggles in the US, and that really is down to poor carrier support. US carriers have no problem stocking the same android model but WP7 is largely ignored. Until that changes there is no way WP7 is going to make nay headway, at least in the US.
I think though, that with Nokia's media push, brand recognition and seemingly well liked devices WP7 can do very well in Europe. It will be interesting to see the sales figures for the Lumia 800/710 this holiday compared to other handsets in Europe and the US. The US looks like it will continue to have a poor selection of WP7 devices and be dominated by ios and android.

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1) Most people will never use the cloud features on their phones, in reality. Fair enough, some people will require a phone with a larger storage capacity. It would be nice to see some phones with larger storage, but there is a massive problem: take a phone with big storage, or with storage size options, to a mobile network, and they'll just charge an absolute fortune for it, so nobody will buy it. That limits your market to SIM free devices- and maybe a few people will buy it then, but probably not enough to make it worth your while.
2) In the meantime, firstly why are videos so important to you? On a 4" screen my eyesight would be pretty screwed after about half an hour, which is why I have a 32GB Android tablet for videos, with a nice comfortable 10" screen, and it just stays in the bag that comes with me. On the odd occasion I don't have my tablet, then Youtube is normally more than enough and using it only occasionally doesn't hack out at my data plan.
3) to just have a smart playlist of tracks that I have starred, automatically synchronising 250 of my starred tracks to my phone at random- that way I have a nice selection of music I know I like, which in a way is better because I'm making better use of my collection, and I get nice surprises occasionally.
4) In summary, I just want to ask of everyone: Please just remember almost nobody is in the same precise position as you. It's great that there is a large range of people here with a range of opinions, but you have to understand that assuming that everybody is the same as you is just going to annoy people. There is nothing wrong with expressing that you would like a phone with more internal storage - but say it, then move on. Don't carry on saying it over and over. And if you don't want a phone with more internal storage, say it, then move on. Don't start arguments because you don't agree with people.
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1) cloud features, like uploading audio, video, pictures, documents, (FILES) whenever, wherever ? this is extremely important. look at the protests, police brutality, natural disasters, and corruption caught by cell phone cameras. without an instant upload, the phone could be confiscated, the person punished (off record beating) and the public never the wiser. cloud = power, pricey for data or not, it is powerful.
2) videos are something fun to share, with family, friends, coworkers. renting a movie on youtube/itunes/whatever and showing the funny part to a friend is a blast, and stimulates more purchases/rents normally. self-shot videos are fun to share instantly, with other smart phones, via bluetooth or wifi... and guarantees there is a copy should you drop yours in the water/mud/etc. the option of streaming that movie to your 32Gb whatever-pad is awesome, and should be standard practice now. how are you going to watch the HD 3D video you just shot with your smart phone with poor vision , unless you can transfer it to the 32Gb somehow ? this is where wp7 fails, because of whatever reason they restricted moving files around and file access.
3) personally i only keep 2-3Gb of music on my phone. most of it is synced 2-3 times a month now, rented or bought from amazon/whoever, or just ripped from a cd. music is a non-issue, with a 32Gb microsd card. <--- this is another thing I can't understand microsoft crippling.
4) yep, understood. data plans are getting rediculously expensive by the month. 1Gb for $30 ? but then pack on tons of 'apps' that eat data 24/7 as oem junk ? all the US carriers are really sucking in this requard. they have the bandwidth, they have the infrastructure, but greeeeeeeeeed is creating a suck-zone of expense for anyone expecting "UNLIMITED" anything.

Of they support as cards the whole price argument falls on its face. Either support sd or offer more storage options. The cloud is terrible. It leads to worse battery life due to the constant downloading and it can be a terrible experience if reception isn't great where you are.
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I agree that there are some that may need more space but to spam articles and forums saying that the phone or generation of phones (even tho not complete yet) are going to fail because it doesn't meet that particular persons need is wrong. Take me for example, I'm disappointed that the T-mobile radar has only 8gb of space but I'm not going around saying it's going to be a failure because of it.
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JustinTV773 said:
I agree that there are some that may need more space but to spam articles and forums saying that the phone or generation of phones (even tho not complete yet) are going to fail because it doesn't meet that particular persons need is wrong. Take me for example, I'm disappointed that the T-mobile radar has only 8gb of space but I'm not going around saying it's going to be a failure because of it.
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The radar is a mid range device. Its comparable to focus flash not focus s.
The storage is a huge problem.
They pushing away early adapters with that, and thats their only marketing worth mentioning right now (their fanbois).
The focus s has < 13gb free on a fresh boot... ... ...
Again. With sd support, the low storage would be nonfactor.
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Right now the best and only option for over 32gb of storage is a first gen Focus. If you want storage get this phone for $0.01 from at&t and spend the money for a 32gb card. I really wanted to upgrade from my focus to something with a FFC but I guess I am a customer that wants too much. It is too much to want a phone with lots of storage AND a FFC. So that means I won't be spending any money on a phone any time soon I guess. Someone lost a sale.

To the OP: I do not carry my entire music collection on my phone. I do however have 15 GB of music on my phone and listen to at least 3 hours of it daily. Like others have mentioned. Apple offers more storage options so you can't say it isn't wanted. Secondly, why should the price be the same if OEMs aren't adding more storage?

bennyj71 said:
To the OP: I do not carry my entire music collection on my phone. I do however have 15 GB of music on my phone and listen to at least 3 hours of it daily. Like others have mentioned. Apple offers more storage options so you can't say it isn't wanted. Secondly, why should the price be the same if OEMs aren't adding more storage?
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This kind of makes my point....15GBs of music by most compression standards amounts to roughly 150 hrs of music, of which this user listens to "at least 3 hours" of daily. Really? And this is supposed to back up the argument for needing more space? Really? And what about video? How much USEFUL video do most of us actually carry around on our phones? If I have a video, that means that Ive probably already seen it and, unlike music, have no reason to be carrying it around with me on my phone. Like most people (I believe) the vast majority of videos that I watch on my phone are streamed i.e YouTube, Netflix etc.
(and as for Apple [on the 4s only] offering more storage meaning that there is suddenly a demand, do not forget that the 2 best selling phones in the world are iphones with 8 and 16 GBs of total storage)
My point is: Unless your phone is your ONLY piece of hardware i.e. NO computer etc., somebody who is complaining about needing 32GBs+ of media storage on their PHONE please in some kind of detail explain how you are actually making use of anywhere close to even 1/10th of it on a daily basis.

That's only music. What about video documents and large apps and games - some of which are 200mb to 2gb just by themselves.
I think your point leaves out obvious things that must be considered.
Storage is only a problem on this platform, and no other. Even feature phones support 32g sd cards these days...
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I love how all your facts include "I" somewhere in the sentence.
The low gb phones sell will because they're the cheapest skus. Cheaper always sells more.
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N8ter said:
That's only music. What about video documents and large apps and games - some of which are 200mb to 2gb just by themselves.
I think your point leaves out obvious things that must be considered.
Storage is only a problem on this platform, and no other. Even feature phones support 32g sd cards these days...
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Thats only music? Yes, as I pointed out, thats WAY WAY more music than you could actually have any realistic use for on your phone unless you were stranded on the moon for a year. And how many gigs of video (that you've most likey already seen) do you really carry around with you on your phone and make use of on a daily basis?
Like I challenged: if you really need 32GBs+ of storage explain how you actually (in detail) use it all up and actually make use of it.

N8ter said:
I love how all your facts include "I" somewhere in the sentence.
The low gb phones sell will because they're the cheapest skus. Cheaper always sells more.
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Nitpicking when he uses I to try to cover up your wrongness is quite funny. Cheapest sells more? Not necessarily, the 250GB Xbox 360 outsold the 4GB one even tho it was $100 cheaper. That's just one example.
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JustinTV773 said:
Nitpicking when he uses I to try to cover up your wrongness is quite funny. Cheapest sells more? Not necessarily, the 250GB Xbox 360 outsold the 4GB one even tho it was $100 cheaper. That's just one example.
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I tend to agree that 8 & 16GB phones sell more because of being cheaper. But when a person wants something larger, they will go to whatever is available instead of settling for the smaller capacities. Myself as an example. When I bought my iPhone 4, I originally bought a 16GB because it was $100 cheaper and then started seeing how the games were filling it up rapidly after all of my music and pictures and other media were on it. I chose to return it for a 32GB model and even payed the return fee to get one.
I know there is a percentage of customers MS will lose out on because of the lower capacity phones they are choosing to stay with. Apple looks to get all customers rather than a majority who may be satisfied with 8 or 16GB.

There will be a percentage of customers that Microsoft lose out on, but I guess they know that, they are not stupid.
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Thought about buying GN, but....

Why does the GSM version only have 16GB of memory? Why can't it at least have a microsd slot???
Even the N1 had a microsd slot and then with NS it was removed, but the phone has 16GB built in. That was ok LAST YEAR..
I want a real upgrade, but I can't upgrade to increased storage (with GN) so I can get rid of my Zune and carry a single device.
Will we wind up with a 32GB GSM version or would it be better just to wait and see what the specs look like on SGS3?

I looked at that phone... it's just way too big. For now I will just enjoy my NS on ICS, but I am thinking about either the SGS2 for my next phone (once it has CM9) or just waiting for the SGS3.

maybe just stop listening to stupid noises, at least on the go? hm.

EcPercy said:
Why does the GSM version only have 16GB of memory? Why can't it at least have a microsd slot???
Even the N1 had a microsd slot and then with NS it was removed, but the phone has 16GB built in. That was ok LAST YEAR..
I want a real upgrade, but I can't upgrade to increased storage (with GN) so I can get rid of my Zune and carry a single device.
Will we wind up with a 32GB GSM version or would it be better just to wait and see what the specs look like on SGS3?
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and then you here rumours of another new one on the way with 64gb ........and it goes on and on and on until you realise that you havent upgraded in ten years waiting for the perfect phone that will be the best one out there for years.

bommel0815 said:
maybe just stop listening to stupid noises, at least on the go? hm.
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LOL!
Well I have 2 hours on the MRT every day + gym 3x a week... I would just like to go from having a phone and dedicated mp3 player to just a phone with all of my music on it.
My Zune.. is nearly 2 years old and has 32GB of storage. You're telling me that a brand new cutting edge phone should be artificially limited to 16GB?
I guess that's what I was getting at. I am at a loss as to why the verizon model has 32GB and the GSM has 16GB. Why even have a 16GB model at all?

jonny_rubber said:
and then you here rumours of another new one on the way with 64gb ........and it goes on and on and on until you realise that you havent upgraded in ten years waiting for the perfect phone that will be the best one out there for years.
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On that note... Why take a step backwards from N1 (My N1 has a 32gb micro sd) to the NS (which I also have) and then stay at the same level with GN?
Maybe I am beating a dead horse, but honestly the GN (other than the screen) doesn't look that appealing because of the storage and the fact that they used the same graphics chip as my NS (slightly overclocked) to drive the huge HD screen. Maybe that doesn't make that big of a difference, but the specs are somewhat of a let down since this is supposed to be setting the bar for other manufacturers with ICS phones.

Right. Why not throw in a 128GB flash storage, just to be on the safe side, right ?
I hate these kind of threads. Do you really need MORE than 16000/5(average track) = 3200 songs on your phone at any time ? Do you need 6400 songs ? Really ? Use Google Music if you really need tens of thousands of tracks with you all the time. Jeez...
Keep in mind that the future IS cloud computing. Don't go bullshitting on me now, it IS KNOWN this is the truth. So if you can't get your act together now, just don't buy THIS particular phone and wait for the phone that is suitable for you and when cloud computing is going to be suitable for you. It's that simple. Rule of thumb: if you're not really keen on buying a 700$ phone (even on contract), because of whatever "defect" from your perspective, just don't buy it.

lambda30 said:
Right. Why not throw in a 128GB flash storage, just to be on the safe side, right ?
I hate these kind of threads. Do you really need MORE than 16000/5(average track) = 3200 songs on your phone at any time ? Do you need 6400 songs ? Really ? Use Google Music if you really need tens of thousands of tracks with you all the time. Jeez...
Keep in mind that the future IS cloud computing. Don't go bullshitting on me now, it IS KNOWN this is the truth. So if you can't get your act together now, just don't buy THIS particular phone and wait for the phone that is suitable for you and when cloud computing is going to be suitable for you. It's that simple. Rule of thumb: if you're not really keen on buying a 700$ phone (even on contract), because of whatever "defect" from your perspective, just don't buy it.
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I agree with the first point you made but I totally disagree with cloud computing being the future. It is at times reliable, but it is certainly not something I'd want to risk all the way. I live in New York City where the city is heavily relied on tunnels and subways, service is not always available underground. Because of this, cloud computing for music is a complete fail.
I know you're from Europe, but on the American side. Carriers like to put bandwidth limitations on our 3G/4G and even home broadband. If we exceed a specific limit, we get fined/charged/punished because of it. Another fail for cloud computing. If I have a 720p movie, I would rather have it stored on my hard drive than streaming it from a server.
@OP: Okay, we get your point. We respect your opinion, it would appear that your decision is final. So why don't you go back to the Nexus S forums instead of trying to justify your decision? I carry a media player and phone with me. I know its a huge inconvenience, but at the same time... a lot of battery is being used towards music, so I prefer having it on another device. That's another plus.

zephiK said:
I agree with the first point you made but I totally disagree with cloud computing being the future. It is at times reliable, but it is certainly not something I'd want to risk all the way. I live in New York City where the city is heavily relied on tunnels and subways, service is not always available underground. Because of this, cloud computing for music is a complete fail.
I know you're from Europe, but on the American side. Carriers like to put bandwidth limitations on our 3G/4G and even home broadband. If we exceed a specific limit, we get fined/charged/punished because of it. Another fail for cloud computing. If I have a 720p movie, I would rather have it stored on my hard drive than streaming it from a server.
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As far as reliability goes, I wasn't talking about cloud computing being everywhere right now. IT is out there, but not on global/efficient scale. But in a couple of years, with technology advancements, there won't be any more limitations to spectrum coverage, like in tunnels or areas with no/bad coverage. Also, probably no more bandwidth caps as well. So this IS the future, there's no point in arguing about it. Your point was if it's feasible right now. Well, so and so. You can still rely on Google Music if you want, because it has offline storage. And 3200 offline songs storage capability + streaming when you actually can (not in tunnels), can make your life easier, without the need of 64/128 GB storage. So you can still manage this, if you try; that's what I wanted to say.

lambda30 said:
Right. Why not throw in a 128GB flash storage, just to be on the safe side, right ?
I hate these kind of threads. Do you really need MORE than 16000/5(average track) = 3200 songs on your phone at any time ? Do you need 6400 songs ? Really ? Use Google Music if you really need tens of thousands of tracks with you all the time. Jeez...
Keep in mind that the future IS cloud computing. Don't go bullshitting on me now, it IS KNOWN this is the truth. So if you can't get your act together now, just don't buy THIS particular phone and wait for the phone that is suitable for you and when cloud computing is going to be suitable for you. It's that simple. Rule of thumb: if you're not really keen on buying a 700$ phone (even on contract), because of whatever "defect" from your perspective, just don't buy it.
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Glad you dont make the big decisions around here.
Crazy world, ay?

EcPercy said:
On that note... Why take a step backwards from N1 (My N1 has a 32gb micro sd) to the NS (which I also have) and then stay at the same level with GN?
Maybe I am beating a dead horse, but honestly the GN (other than the screen) doesn't look that appealing because of the storage and the fact that they used the same graphics chip as my NS (slightly overclocked) to drive the huge HD screen. Maybe that doesn't make that big of a difference, but the specs are somewhat of a let down since this is supposed to be setting the bar for other manufacturers with ICS phones.
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People seriously need to stop underestimating the Galaxy Nexus hardware, I would dare to say it beats every other phone on the market.
Closest thing would be the iPhone 4S.
I don't know why google didn't make the GSM version 32 gb, but with Google Music you don't need to worry about storage space, when it comes to music at least.
Google Music and an unlimited dataplan works fine, or use spotify.

EcPercy said:
Well I have 2 hours on the MRT every day + gym 3x a week...
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Yikes you listen to that much music with an mp3 player everyday? You must have no idea what damage you are doing to your stereocilia. Your threshold of activation of your stereocilia is probably permanently shifted by now. Pretty sad considering you are probably young yet sustained that much damage in a short amount of life span.
I highly suggest you take a college course on the anatomy of the ear and how hearing works. Once you realize how delicate your inner ear is, you won't be f*cking with nature by listening to that much direct ear damaging music.

@rbiter said:
Glad you dont make the big decisions around here.
Crazy world, ay?
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That's a very constructive and effective commentary, good job ! I bet mama's very proud of her son's intelligence.

Y'all have to be the most unhelpful bunch I've seen yet. Of course, then again, there's not much to help here.
Maybe OP would be better served with an SGSII, if he needs the microSD slot?

BlackOtaku said:
Y'all have to be the most unhelpful bunch I've seen yet. Of course, then again, there's not much to help here.
Maybe OP would be better served with an SGSII, if he needs the microSD slot?
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What help can we even provide him with?
Why ask this on a forum, Google are more likely to know the answer.

SamsungVibrant said:
Yikes you listen to that much music with an mp3 player everyday? You must have no idea what damage you are doing to your stereocilia. Your threshold of activation of your stereocilia is probably permanently shifted by now. Pretty sad considering you are probably young yet sustained that much damage in a short amount of life span.
I highly suggest you take a college course on the anatomy of the ear and how hearing works. Once you realize how delicate your inner ear is, you won't be f*cking with nature by listening to that much direct ear damaging music.
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Some of us use reasonable listening volumes.

zephiK said:
I agree with the first point you made but I totally disagree with cloud computing being the future. It is at times reliable, but it is certainly not something I'd want to risk all the way. I live in New York City where the city is heavily relied on tunnels and subways, service is not always available underground. Because of this, cloud computing for music is a complete fail.
I know you're from Europe, but on the American side. Carriers like to put bandwidth limitations on our 3G/4G and even home broadband. If we exceed a specific limit, we get fined/charged/punished because of it. Another fail for cloud computing. If I have a 720p movie, I would rather have it stored on my hard drive than streaming it from a server.
@OP: Okay, we get your point. We respect your opinion, it would appear that your decision is final. So why don't you go back to the Nexus S forums instead of trying to justify your decision? I carry a media player and phone with me. I know its a huge inconvenience, but at the same time... a lot of battery is being used towards music, so I prefer having it on another device. That's another plus.
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The point is that if you're out and you don't happen to have a certain song you wanna hear on your phone, you can stream it.
It's not meant to be a total replacement.

look, the gnex is the best fone right now. period. and it will be. till the next nexus. get it and you wont regret. the camera and the display will just blow you away. then you will go to the bathroom and come back and turn it on and the display will blow you away again. wat can i say, it has been happening to me every time i turn it on for the past 4 days! Same as you, storage was the biggest concern for me too. But my music and gameloft games fit fine on it, as far as movies go, i just got a usb otg cable and use my existing usb key/microsd. problem solved. for regular use, i would say 32gb is perfect, but 16gb gets the job done quite well, plus usb otg for vids! and i turnd my fone on again and went "wow"!

Gsm its sexier than lte ...
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dario3040 said:
I don't know why google didn't make the GSM version 32 gb, but with Google Music you don't need to worry about storage space, when it comes to music at least.
Google Music and an unlimited dataplan works fine, or use spotify.
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I would say you are spot on here, but... I mentioned before that I spend 2 hours a day on the MRT. For those in the USA you would better know this as the Subway. The internet just isn't good enough for constant streaming while moving along in the train and we have TONS of people all checking the internet as well so that makes your speed go WAY down even when you are above ground.
Now that my phone (NS) has ICS I can see what kind of data google music is using, but I am a little sceptical that you can use google music and not go over your data limit for the month. I have a 12GB plan for data, but I am also sharing that data with my GT 10.1 and I watch TONS of YT videos while at work.
Now for everyone else. Don't get me wrong. I like google phones. I have owned the N1 and NS. I am ready for a phone upgrade now, but torn. I want the newest google experience phone. I prefer that to any of the UI addons that come from the manufacturers. I HATE touch UX on my GT 10.1 and I can't wait to get rid of it for CM9 (when it is out on my tab). I can wait if 16GB is all we get for storage. Maybe the 16GB version is all that will come out until Samsung gets the initial demand met and then we will see larger version like a 32 and 64GB model. (who knows right?)
My NS is currently sitting at less than 2GB of free space and my old GT10.1 (also 16GB) was sitting at about 1GB free after I put some cbt nuggets on it to watch while I am at work to prepare for a certification exam. I have since gotten a GT 10.1 (32GB) and I am not hurting at all for storage, but this is not practical to use as an MP3 player while working out...
So that's it. I am not dogging the hardware. I am just questioning the storage decision with more and more apps coming out that have extra downloads after installing the initial app you are going to need more and more space.

[Q] $349 Galaxy Nexus or wait for new Nexus Phone?

Let's start with what would be my dream phone:
- minimum 4.65 inch screen, preferably not Pentile display, but not a dealbreaker
- 64 GB internal memory (iphone does it, why not android phones?)
- Micro SD slot capable of additional 64 GB (or 128! even better!)
- Tegra 3+ or Exynos 5450 (no, NOT the dual-core 5250, i want the beast quad-core 5450 on the new ARMv15 architecture)
OK story time:
My AT&T upgrade's coming up next month, which means I can FINALLY get rid of the iPhone 4 32GB. Say what you will, but it was a good upgrade coming from a very old Blackberry Curve, and she served me well these past two years, but I've outgrown Apple and its walled garden a year ago.
Here's the thing, I've been disappointed with the recent releases on AT&T, here's why:
1) Samsung Galaxy SIII - no 32 GB version, Touchwiz, snapdragon processor, slow to update
2) HTC One X - no Micro SD card, Sense (although I hear it's great), Beats overrated, same snapdragon processor
3) Samsung Galaxy Note - Y U NO HAVE ICS YET?!... also, i don't need a phablet since i have a Tab 10.1 and the upcoming Nexus 7, so a smaller display would be ideal.
*-- Yes, I'm aware I can root/flash custom ROMS which would deal with the update & custom skin issue, and I do have CM9 on my 10.1, but I'm looking to move to a phone similar to a Nexus, that offers the pure Google experience. --*
On that note, yes, I just sprung for the Nexus 7, and that's made me seriously consider the Galaxy Nexus with its reduced price, pure Google experience, and it updates software way faster than carriers do. The thing is, I'm not a huge fan of some things about the GNex:
Galaxy Nexus Unlocked Negatives (in my opinion):
1) The dated hardware (Texas OMAP processor, which disappointed me even at the press release),
2) smaller HDD (only 16 gb, not fun to downgrade, even if I am coming from Apple),
3) lack of Micro SD (I use Google Music and have about 30 GB of music on it, but I like using the offline feature so I don't constantly have to stream and abuse my data plan, and that requires more space than the GNex is offering).
That $349 price point is just SO intriguing though, and I am an avid user of Google content and purchase regularly through the play store, so I will absolutely be getting an android phone, the question is when.
So thoughts? If you were in a similar situation, would you just spring for the GNex now with that $349 unlocked goodness, or wait for a potential new Nexus phone to be introduced around the holidays? Something's gotta compete with the iPhone 5, right?

Here's my plan. I already use a GNex as a daily driver and I plan on picking up another to do modding/hacking on. Then, when the new Nexus device(s) arrives I am going to sell my daily driver GNex and buy a new one to use. I will keep my "testing" GNex as it will be more than capable a year from now.
But to put it into perspective to your situation, I would just wait if you don't have the luxury of having two phones. Technically, I really can't afford two phones but I have given up drinking, smoking, and sugary drinks to compensate for my "Tech" addiction. Or you could just spring for the GNex now for the lower price point and wait until the new Nexus has a price reduction before moving on. I guess it's all about patience and prioritizing your wants/needs.

I have a GNEX a very early adapter and I paid almost $700.00 so at $349.00 it's a steal. With that said you can always get an International version of the SG SIII and if you don't like touchwiz just root it and install a custom rom. It's very easy to do.

See, there's so many variables.
I love the idea of the GNex, and 4.1 will probably be amazing on it, but if a newer, better phone is expected to come out for the holidays and I can use my upgrade subsidy to get it for about $299, then that would be perfect (no plans on leaving AT&T at the moment, I have a grandfathered unlimited data plan, and I'll be damned if they take that away from me).
Sure, I could buy it, then sell it later, but do I essentially want to rent the phone for a few months and lose at least $100 in the process?
I could always keep it as a backup phone, perhaps as a testing phone as you mentioned. But is the GNex worth it? If you have a large amount of media as I do, won't your data plan suffer because you'll always have to stream it?
I can see how the GNex would be useful if I ever decided to buy a Nexus Q (God knows why I'd do that now, needs GTV baked into it). Have it as a backup remote perhaps. Hmmm.....

joe767 said:
I have a GNEX a very early adapter and I paid almost $700.00 so at $349.00 it's a steal. With that said you can always get an International version of the SG SIII and if you don't like touchwiz just root it and install a custom rom. It's very easy to do.
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SGSIII International I don't believe works well with AT&T, right? Even if it does, it's extremely expensive ($500 range last I checked). I'm trying to stick to about $350 tops (aka GNex is the most I'd pay for a phone).
Already spoke about rooting & custom ROMs. I'm really feeling the idea of the pure google experience right now, so it's Nexus or bust, I think (pending better arguments from more experienced board members)

Just ordered one for my buddy since the price is awesome.

Here's a Pro/Con list I'm coming up with. Remember, this is me coming off an Apple phone, so a lot of stuff y'all are used to, I'm not.
Pros:
- Would get cheap, using eBay Instant Sale promotion, I'd get $300 for the iPhone (it's pristine, been in an otterbox since unboxing. Even the otterbox is in good condition!)
- Access to all Google content I've purchased, and continue to purchase
- Jelly Bean
- Pure Google Experience I'm currently looking for (a la Nexus 7, which I purchased)
- Much faster updates than if I bought through a carrier
- Turn-by-Turn Nav
- Price for no-contract phone would be roughly the same if I was upgrading to a new phone with AT&T (If I recall correctly, I got my 32 GB iPhone for $299)
- Buying the phone means I still keep my upgrade eligibility for AT&T
- Can always have as a back-up phone, or as a back-up remote for Nexus Q if I ever purchase something like that
- Much larger display than what I'm used to, and the display is still one of the top 3 in the market currently, hands down.
- I can live without a new phone for a while, which means I can wait for some crazy beast phone.
Cons:
- Need to buy a new FM Radio adapter (2005 accord = no aux port)
- Smaller Storage (32GB iphone vs 16GB GNex)
- No Micro SD slot
- Not quad-core (yes, I'm aware of the "dual-core just as good" argument, and I don't care. Blame it on my testicular insecurity, whatever you want lol)
- Could become outdated soon by potentially newer Nexus model or new Samsung/HTC/ASUS phones coming out in the holidays (just 6 months away)
- The no-contract thing doesn't give me any benefit, as I have a grandfathered AT&T unlimited data plan with no desire to lose it
I'll add more stuff as I think of it, or as people mention in subsequent posts.

Dolfan058 said:
See, there's so many variables.
I love the idea of the GNex, and 4.1 will probably be amazing on it, but if a newer, better phone is expected to come out for the holidays and I can use my upgrade subsidy to get it for about $299, then that would be perfect (no plans on leaving AT&T at the moment, I have a grandfathered unlimited data plan, and I'll be damned if they take that away from me).
Sure, I could buy it, then sell it later, but do I essentially want to rent the phone for a few months and lose at least $100 in the process?
I could always keep it as a backup phone, perhaps as a testing phone as you mentioned. But is the GNex worth it? If you have a large amount of media as I do, won't your data plan suffer because you'll always have to stream it?
I can see how the GNex would be useful if I ever decided to buy a Nexus Q (God knows why I'd do that now, needs GTV baked into it). Have it as a backup remote perhaps. Hmmm.....
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Variables, exactly. I don't even buy phones on contract anymore so I don't even think about that aspect.
As for media content, using a phone without expandable storage just takes extra preparation, which I don't mind. I switch out playlists and things like that weekly when I'm around WiFi.

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Variables, exactly. I don't even buy phones on contract anymore so I don't even think about that aspect.
As for media content, using a phone without expandable storage just takes extra preparation, which I don't mind. I switch out playlists and things like that weekly when I'm around WiFi.
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I'm about 90% set on getting the GNex, just want to do some last minute fact checking and really make sure I'm ready to do this.
What changed my mind??
I recently found out about Ebay's Instant Sell promotion. To celebrate the GS3 release, Ebay's buying the iPhone 4 32GB for $300. Mine's in pristine condition due to being in an otterbox for the entirety of its life, I even have the original iPhone 4 box it came in.
I'd still have the upgrade feature for phones that come out next year, and it holds me over till my true superphone comes out. I'm so close to buying it lol, just want to make sure I'm making the right decision haha

Dolfan058 said:
I'm about 90% set on getting the GNex, just want to do some last minute fact checking and really make sure I'm ready to do this.
What changed my mind??
I recently found out about Ebay's Instant Sell promotion. To celebrate the GS3 release, Ebay's buying the iPhone 4 32GB for $300. Mine's in pristine condition due to being in an otterbox for the entirety of its life, I even have the original iPhone 4 box it came in.
I'd still have the upgrade feature for phones that come out next year, and it holds me over till my true superphone comes out. I'm so close to buying it lol, just want to make sure I'm making the right decision haha
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Well, I'm not going to tell you what to do, that's a decision you'll have to make. But I will say this, I was using the HTC One X before the GNex and I'm getting ready to sell the One X so I can have the second GNex, if that tells you anything. Of course, that's me and everyone is different. Good luck in making your decision.

At $399 when I bought it last month, it was a screaming deal. I have absolutely no regrets, I was originally waiting for the GS3 and considered the One S.

Won't I need a SIM card adapter?
Optional questions that don't belong here:
1) any ideas on FM Radio transmitters? (I have an 05 Accord, no AUX input unfortunately).
2) Should I get a case? Dropping phones freaks me out, especially since I have tile in the house
3) Any other accessory recommendations? Micro-USB preferred, as they will then work with the Nexus 7

yup, just get a microsim to sim adapter. i have one for my ATT iPad sim i now use in my thinkpad tablet and my ps vita (sold all of my ipads). here's a link:
http://microsim-shop.com/

Don't mean to hijack the thread, but I'm also looking into getting a Nexus, and I have a few questions:
How common is the banding/burn-in problem? (I don't leave static images on the screen for long, but I'm worried about this because a lot of people seem to be complaining about it and saying it happens in only 3 days)
How is the multitouch , as in, does it track your fingers well, and how many fingers max? (I'm asking cause the android phone I'm on now has major issues with multitouch)
Do most 3D games run smooth? (max payne, gta, nova, spiderman, etc...)
What are your personal gripes with the phone?
I really appreciate you answers, sorry if I'm asking too much, I just want to be sure about buying, $350 seems "too good to be true" for a phone this good lol.

I think these questions can best be answered in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1642801
Thanks
FNM