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bought a omnia 7,Trophy, or mozart and are a still dissapointed with the paltry 8gb? Memory/data costs. what every way you do it, just look at the prices of an iphone to see how much their 32 and 64gb versions are! not to worry, heres a few ideas to help. others welcome......
1) like i said, Memory/data cost, if you investing in an 8gb phone it would be a wise decision to get an unlimited (1gb usually)internet plan or a decent one at least. once secured,, this moves onto......
2)Use the Skydrive. its fully intergrated into your WP7 already, and once connected you will now have access of up to 25GB of storage. upload your documents and pics from your PC to the skydrive and you can access these from your wp7 device. i was surprised at the speed i could access all my pics from the phone. unfortunately, this does not yet work for mp3 files yet.
3) Music files, personally my biggest problem. rip cds at 128k or 192k rather than 320kps. ive either got really bad hearing or something cos i cant tell the difference once the bitrate hits 128kps, apparently the difference is clear to hear, if you have £300 headphones. who has that? Exactly.
4) XNview. Picture files still too big? download this pc software, and batch convert your images. you can reduce a 5mb pic to 1mb or lower...then skudrive it.
any more tips pelase let me know...... what about video??? there used to be pocket divx..........
With pictures / video from the camera, you can always take them and then when you get home... Take them off the phone and store them either on the computer or onto Skydrive.
those can also be upload straight to skydrive from the phone...a nice feature........
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3) Music files, personally my biggest problem. rip cds at 128k or 192k rather than 320kps. ive either got really bad hearing or something cos i cant tell the difference once the bitrate hits 128kps, apparently the difference is clear to hear, if you have £300 headphones. who has that? Exactly.
any more tips pelase let me know...... what about video??? there used to be pocket divx..........
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Hmm... I can hear the difference quite clearly with a set of $50 USD headphones. It may depend on what sort of music you listen to, and how detailed the sound is. Anything under 256k sounds "fuzzy" to me (rather like a slight FM sound on the music).
On video, there's going to be a problem on the standard Skydrive space, with a limit of 50 MB per file. I believe there is a smaller 5 GB section of Skydrive that doesn't have that limit (the "synced storage" area), but you can't store office documents there, and there are other issues with storing very large files "in the cloud" and then trying to access them later (i.e. - even if you have truly unlimited data plans, it will take forever to access those files over 3G). I think most of that is moot until MS actually allows people to access media from Skydrive though.
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those can also be upload straight to skydrive from the phone...a nice feature........
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One caution about storing directly to Skydrive... the full quality photo is not uploaded. It is compressed down from 2560 x 1920 resolution and 5 MB to 719 x 539 and around 150K. If you then delete the phone copy to free up space, you don't have a printable quality picture any more. See:
http://windowsphonesecrets.com/2010/10/24/windows-phone-and-photo-sharing/
interesting, i will have to keep a look out for that. i took a few pics and uploaded them to skydrive, just so i could look at them on my laptop. not bad however, does anyone really print photos from their mobile phone cameras???? i like having a camera on the mobile, but when i want to take decent printable pictures, i use a real camera. 8mp or not. mobile cameras just dont cut it for print.
I find crazy that people really try to "survive" with 8GB storage phones.
The reasonable solution would be not to buy any of these devices.
So maybe the manufacturers would stop playing with customers this way if they don't sell.
Seriously I feel sorry for all the customers with only 8GB. Because I know it's almost impossible to manage. Come on, ou will hate your phone as soon as you'll run out of storage.
- Firstly, it's not 8GB. The available storage is actually even less
- All your downloaded apps will waste this precious internal storage
- Only the sole GPS will waste 10% of the storage
- Skydrive is not an option for music and videos.
arturobandini said:
I find crazy that people really try to "survive" with 8GB storage phones.
The reasonable solution would be not to buy any of these devices.
So maybe the manufacturers would stop playing with customers this way if they don't sell.
Seriously I feel sorry for all the customers with only 8GB. Because I know it's almost impossible to manage. Come on, ou will hate your phone as soon as you'll run out of storage.
- Firstly, it's not 8GB. The available storage is actually even less
- All your downloaded apps will waste this precious internal storage
- Only the sole GPS will waste 10% of the storage
- Skydrive is not an option for music and videos.
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Well said.
its ok for the europeans who can get 16GB or more, but a lot of the wp7 phones here UK only come with 8gb. other wise i would have got a 16 gb omnia. everyon is different and has different needs for their mobile. i had a touch diamond 2 for 18 months with only 4GB and that was enough for me. sure its always better to have more memory, but do i really need my WHOLE music collection on my phone???
I have an 8gb Mozart. Please don't feel sorry for me I'm sure I'll cope ok!
Just upgraded from my 8gb Touch HD and managed no problem with storage limits the 2 years i used it. I dare say if your used to a 16gb handset you wouldn't want to drop down to 8 tho.
I agree with the previous poster, its about the individual and how they use their phone. If you need more than that then buy a handset with more storage, its as simple as that.
I think a major factor for big phone storage with other handsets is music storage.
With my 32GB 3GS I had probably 24GB of music loaded but this mostly becomes redundant with WP7 because of my Zune Pass.
The cloud is the way forward, not keeping everything locally on your device.
Once SkyDrive and Live get deeper integration into the OS along with how Zune works there won't be much need for devices with storage of above 16GB I would say, if that.
arturobandini said:
I find crazy that people really try to "survive" with 8GB storage phones.
The reasonable solution would be not to buy any of these devices.
So maybe the manufacturers would stop playing with customers this way if they don't sell.
Seriously I feel sorry for all the customers with only 8GB. Because I know it's almost impossible to manage. Come on, ou will hate your phone as soon as you'll run out of storage.
- Firstly, it's not 8GB. The available storage is actually even less
- All your downloaded apps will waste this precious internal storage
- Only the sole GPS will waste 10% of the storage
- Skydrive is not an option for music and videos.
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I agee with you 100%.
I travel OS every few months so using sky-drive is not an option. The fact that there is no 32 or 64 GB option is also a problem for some users.
I like to have all my music, videos and files on the device for instant access, After all this is the reason I use a smart-phone.
Heres hoping the second generation of WP7 smart-phones offers bigger storage options and larger batteries or better longevity out of the batteries.
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I think a major factor for big phone storage with other handsets is music storage.
With my 32GB 3GS I had probably 24GB of music loaded but this mostly becomes redundant with WP7 because of my Zune Pass.
The cloud is the way forward, not keeping everything locally on your device.
Once SkyDrive and Live get deeper integration into the OS along with how Zune works there won't be much need for devices with storage of above 16GB I would say, if that.
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Any chance you own shares in a mobile carrier. Not every one is on an unlimited data plan.
Also have you thought about how you are going to access you files while flying on an eight hour flight?
for those that want the capability to have bigger cards, get a Focus or Venue Pro. Both of which have exposed memory card slots. You can add a Kingston 32GB class 4 card available on Amazon. This will solve your issues.
If you don't mind voiding warranty, you can also replace the HD7 memory card as well.
For the rest of us who are getting the 8GB/16GB models, i'm sure we'll survive.
Besides... how often are you on an eight hour flight?
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for those that want the capability to have bigger cards, get a Focus or Venue Pro. Both of which have exposed memory card slots. You can add a Kingston 32GB class 4 card available on Amazon. This will solve your issues.
If you don't mind voiding warranty, you can also replace the HD7 memory card as well.
For the rest of us who are getting the 8GB/16GB models, i'm sure we'll survive.
Besides... how often are you on an eight hour flight?
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Every 6 to 8 weeks if you must know
I also travel with my 6 year old boy very regular. When I had my HD2 I would load lots of shows on the 32 GB card and keep him entertained while waiting for flights etc.
This device will also serve as my media player as I am fed up carting two separate devices. I listen to music every day.
I suppose I could stop using using lossless to allow more room on the card.
I was not aware the Focus would be available Outside the US?
wow man... i've never even had a passport... want to swap jobs?
The focus won't be, so I guess the Venue Pro is your only option... or voiding the warranty on the HD7.
Given that you're going to be using it quite a bit for entertainment purposes, the windows phones are real solid units for that with the Zune integration, and the Xbox Live integration. As much as there are quality games on iPhone, I believe over time many of these will be available on Windows Phone, and then you'll see a lot more on Windows Phone than iPhone given the xbox backing as well. Though as a counter-arguement there are also game developers saying they won't develop for Windows Phone due to lack of native support, so it could go either way. But yea, if you're not wanting to drink SJ's gasoline... sorry kool-aid, then in terms of entertainment, Windows Phone might be a good way to go? Android is awesome for customisation, don't get me wrong, but I'm not too sure if it's the best OS for entertainment.
davidebanks said:
its ok for the europeans who can get 16GB or more, but a lot of the wp7 phones here UK only come with 8gb. other wise i would have got a 16 gb omnia. everyon is different and has different needs for their mobile. i had a touch diamond 2 for 18 months with only 4GB and that was enough for me. sure its always better to have more memory, but do i really need my WHOLE music collection on my phone???
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I hope you don't have a twitter nor a facebook account because all the feeds will eat up this precious storage over time and because there's no file manager where you could find precisely the file to delete (likeon the HD2), your only solution will be a hard-reset to free up memory. Good luck and have fun!
JEEtoP said:
I think a major factor for big phone storage with other handsets is music storage.
With my 32GB 3GS I had probably 24GB of music loaded but this mostly becomes redundant with WP7 because of my Zune Pass.
The cloud is the way forward, not keeping everything locally on your device.
Once SkyDrive and Live get deeper integration into the OS along with how Zune works there won't be much need for devices with storage of above 16GB I would say, if that.
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The cloud and zune pass (music and videos streaming) are the way forward? I doubt it: Zune pass is costly, not free: to push this service further M$ didn't alloy removable storage. The cloud? Skydrive reduces the size and the quality of the pics you upload, so it's rather backwards to me, just like the whole WP7 and its actual state.
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agp64 said:
Any chance you own shares in a mobile carrier. Not every one is on an unlimited data plan.
Also have you thought about how you are going to access you files while flying on an eight hour flight?
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Haha no I don't, honest. It did sound a bit preachy didn't it.
I'm probably biased though being in UK and I still have an active contract from the unlimited data days.
I must admit I've only been on 1 long haul flight since owning a smartphone and it had Wi-Fi access included, 1GB I think. Lasted me fine for 23 hours to New Zealand.
forelli said:
The cloud and zune pass (music and videos streaming) are the way forward? I doubt it: Zune pass is costly, not free: to push this service further M$ didn't alloy removable storage. The cloud? Skydrive reduces the size and the quality of the pics you upload, so it's rather backwards to me, just like the whole WP7 and its actual state.
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I think the Zune Pass is great value for what it gives you.
I do agree though at the current state of the OS/Cloud is far from ideal and there are significant improvements to be made, getting the Kin Studio variant up for WP7 would be a great step (I still think the Kin debacle was worth it just because it produced Kin Studio).
I also think though that this will happen and the OS looks good to be able to adapt well in the future. It's obviously been built with that idea from the ground up.
JEEtoP said:
I think the Zune Pass is great value for what it gives you.
I do agree though at the current state of the OS/Cloud is far from ideal and there are significant improvements to be made, getting the Kin Studio variant up for WP7 would be a great step (I still think the Kin debacle was worth it just because it produced Kin Studio).
I also think though that this will happen and the OS looks good to be able to adapt well in the future. It's obviously been built with that idea from the ground up.
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I'm no fan of giving money for MP3s. I buy CDs, even singles, but not MP3s, sorry, I'm too old-fashion for that. The Zune pass will not be mine, definetely, plus, I have iTunes at home, my wife owns a 3GS, and my iTunes is packed with more than 30 GB of music ranging from Beethoven to Wu-Tang Clan, Metallica, Cassius, Bob Sinclar and the like, all nicely ordered in playlists. I'm don't move around with all this music, rather syncing playlists according to my mood. Plus, I have some shows I watch when I'm not listening to music on my way to work, and they're around 350 MB big per episode. With any of my SD cards, it's a matter of 10 minutes maximum for say, 5 episodes. With the Zune software, it's about 20 minutes for 1 episode! Well, WP7 have storage issues which could hamper its success as a multimedia smartphone. And, btw, how in Earth is a phone "smart" when it can't handle multitasking and doesn't have a file explorer?
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side note: I did pre-order a HD7 unit, but I still have the choice to take it or leave it when it comes, sometime this week. I'm still not sure about it, so disappointing that the HD7 doesn't have the EVO's or Desire HD's 8 MP camera, for example...
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I'm no fan of giving money for MP3s. I buy CDs, even singles, but not MP3s, sorry, I'm too old-fashion for that. The Zune pass will not be mine, definetely, plus, I have iTunes at home, my wife owns a 3GS, and my iTunes is packed with more than 30 GB of music ranging from Beethoven to Wu-Tang Clan, Metallica, Cassius, Bob Sinclar and the like, all nicely ordered in playlists. I'm don't move around with all this music, rather syncing playlists according to my mood. Plus, I have some shows I watch when I'm not listening to music on my way to work, and they're around 350 MB big per episode. With any of my SD cards, it's a matter of 10 minutes maximum for say, 5 episodes. With the Zune software, it's about 20 minutes for 1 episode! Well, WP7 have storage issues which could hamper its success as a multimedia smartphone. And, btw, how in Earth is a phone "smart" when it can't handle multitasking and doesn't have a file explorer?
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side note: I did pre-order a HD7 unit, but I still have the choice to take it or leave it when it comes, sometime this week. I'm still not sure about it, so disappointing that the HD7 doesn't have the EVO's or Desire HD's 8 MP camera, for example...
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I totally get what you're saying, we just obviously work with music different ways and I think getting a platform to cater to both very well is near on impossible.
It seems Microsoft has made a choice with WP7 which I think is shown by the fact they are still going to ship WM6.5 as Windows Phone Classic or whatever it's called.
Just on a pure technical note - WP7 can handle multi-tasking without a problem. It's a multi-tasking OS. It's just as yet not open to third parties to utilise which is the only sensible option for Microsoft.
From their point of view they have launched a very solid OS with a great set of core features and a fantastic user experience which is up to date with the competition, technically. Over the next 12 months it will be opened up as people are asking.
They could not risk having reviews and user feedback criticising the OS for a problem with a poorly written app draining all the battery in 2 hours, as a basic example.
The entire Windows Mobile effort rested on WP7's shoulders - it was too big a risk to take.
I don't really see 8GB as a problem, but then I'm not watching films on the phone. For me, going from 16GB down to 8GB just means I've had to third the amount of music I've put on to the device. It's unfortunate but not really a problem, 4GB is enough for nearly 30 hours of music at 320kbps, which personally I think is plenty. Until phones can store my entire music collection I'm always going to have to choose what to sync, and until then I'm not overly bothered how much I can sync (less takes me less time but means I'll be syncing more often).
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I hope you don't have a twitter nor a facebook account because all the feeds will eat up this precious storage over time and because there's no file manager where you could find precisely the file to delete (likeon the HD2), your only solution will be a hard-reset to free up memory. Good luck and have fun!
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Im pretty sure it doesn't work like that. The oldest feed in the People hub on my handset is 16 hours old. If i want to check older feeds it'll pull those from the cloud for me. I'm not sure if it just keeps a certain number of feeds or if it keeps them for a certain amount of time, but they definitely aren't kept on the phone forever.
I started writing this post in another thread but I felt it was better off in it's own. Please read it in full if you're going to respond, I know it's long but you'll just look silly if you don't:
The reality is that most data plans are limited to 500MB, or if you're lucky 1GB, and for the vast majority of users this is way more than enough - in my case I do occasionally go over, which is why I'm on a plan where I just pay £5 per 500MB, it might not be the cheapest option but it's the best for me, and my bills are normally £30 a month, which is very reasonable for the quality of service I get.
Most people will never use the cloud features on their phones, in reality. Fair enough, some people will require a phone with a larger storage capacity. It would be nice to see some phones with larger storage, but there is a massive problem: take a phone with big storage, or with storage size options, to a mobile network, and they'll just charge an absolute fortune for it, so nobody will buy it. That limits your market to SIM free devices- and maybe a few people will buy it then, but probably not enough to make it worth your while.
What you guys that want extra storage have to prove is that you can get enough people on board to make it worthwhile for Samsung/HTC/Nokia to get out of bed and do it. With android/iPhone that isn't a problem because average joe will buy it regardless and probably won't have a clue what they're buying, but Windows Phone is a harder sell, despite being a better system (in a lot of our opinons, I believe).
In the meantime, firstly why are videos so important to you? On a 4" screen my eyesight would be pretty screwed after about half an hour, which is why I have a 32GB Android tablet for videos, with a nice comfortable 10" screen, and it just stays in the bag that comes with me. On the odd occasion I don't have my tablet, then Youtube is normally more than enough and using it only occasionally doesn't hack out at my data plan.
For music, I don't know of anybody who actually listens to their entire music collection on their phone, and in my own perfect world I wish people would realise this. My way around not being able to store all of my music on my phone is to just have a smart playlist of tracks that I have starred, automatically synchronising 250 of my starred tracks to my phone at random- that way I have a nice selection of music I know I like, which in a way is better because I'm making better use of my collection, and I get nice surprises occasionally.
In summary, I just want to ask of everyone: Please just remember almost nobody is in the same precise position as you. It's great that there is a large range of people here with a range of opinions, but you have to understand that assuming that everybody is the same as you is just going to annoy people. There is nothing wrong with expressing that you would like a phone with more internal storage - but say it, then move on. Don't carry on saying it over and over. And if you don't want a phone with more internal storage, say it, then move on. Don't start arguments because you don't agree with people.
I personally love my HTC 7 Pro and won't be changing it. It isn't perfect, but I'm not going to moan endlessly about what's wrong with it, I'm going to give my opinion where it's relevant, and if there's a good response I'll back it up with my reasoning. That's how forums should work.
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What you guys that want extra storage have to prove is that you can get enough people on board to make it worthwhile for Samsung/HTC/Nokia to get out of bed and do it.
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The best way to show OEMs that it's worthwile would be for one of them to have one out and for the others to see how it sells. Not by having everyone on this forum sending them a letter. The question is they don't they make the effort, at least once? When you see a N9 with 64GB and a Lumia 800 with 16GB it hurts.
Really not sure why its thought only apple can accomplish things like having a smartphone line with large storage options. There's a very simple solution to this: offer a larger 32GB storage option at a $100 premium in limited quantities (just like Dell did with the DVP) and see what happens. In Dell's case it didn't sell well (likely due to their distribution model) and it was withdrawn. OEM's like HTC and Samsung will be better placed to make this option work but again, have the option to withdraw the higher priced option.
In any case, it seems they are still in softly softly mode with WP7 so I doubt anyone but Nokia will be the first to offer higher levels of storage. The cloud though is absolutely not the blanket solution for everybody, though it works for some but for others the current storage options will definitely be insufficient.
Apple did perfectly well. They decided to remove slot for SD cards but logically they offered 32GB and 64GB versions of their devices in order to compensate the loss of expandable storage.
Microsoft removed the SD card slot but is unable to propose any hardware having more than 16GB (actually it is only 13.2GB once the OS is installed).
Sorry but this is not acceptable.
Apple has only one hardware and offers you the choice.
MS works with several OEM and fails to propose more than 16GB.
The lack of storage, the lack of alternative finally made me switch to Android.
Congrats Microsoft !
Good responses, thanks! I think the main reason that none of the OEMs has released a higher capacity model is sheer numbers.
With Android, even if the high capacity model sells 10% of the volume of the low capacity version, that's still a lot of units. With WP7, though, the sales of the single model probably aren't enough to justify making variations as that will just make it harder to sell to the distributor (the network, mainly).
Like you efjay, I'm hopeful that with Nokia on board and Mango being more like the sort of feature-rich software people demand volumes will slowly start to increase and the manufacturers will start to break their model ranges into more variants.
IMHO a MASSIVE problem with the distribution models as they are is exclusivity - with WP7, the absolute key is going to be making every device available everywhere, so as many people see it/try it/want it as conceivably possible. With exclusives, you're limiting distribution of an already limited distribution product, and that's going to harm growth.
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Apple did perfectly well. They decided to remove slot for SD cards but logically they offered 32GB and 64GB versions of their devices in order to compensate the loss of expandable storage.
Microsoft removed the SD card slot but is unable to propose any hardware having more than 16GB (actually it is only 13.2GB once the OS is installed).
Sorry but this is not acceptable.
Apple has only one hardware and offers you the choice.
MS works with several OEM and fails to propose more than 16GB.
The lack of storage, the lack of alternative finally made me switch to Android.
Congrats Microsoft !
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I never said that Apple didn't do well. What I said, was that WP7 has to be targeted at a big, but specific type of consumer base to work well, and that most of that consumer base probably don't know or care how much storage they have - once the volumes increase, then there will be more variants with more storage, but right now there is no incentive to provide high capacity variants because the networks will price them out of the market and they won't sell to joe public.
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IMHO a MASSIVE problem with the distribution models as they are is exclusivity - with WP7, the absolute key is going to be making every device available everywhere, so as many people see it/try it/want it as conceivably possible. With exclusives, you're limiting distribution of an already limited distribution product, and that's going to harm growth.
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Difference here is the territory. In Europe (and the UK in particular) the Lumia devices will be on practically every carrier (except it seems O2 cos of their iphone love) and are being backed by a huge marketing campaign and incentives to customers and probably sales staff. You can even pre-order the Nokia phones which has never happened for any other WP7 device. In the US however, the story is radically different - T-Mobile has announced only 1 new device, nothing for Sprint and Verizon, which leaves at&t who will have 3 new devices and none of these devices are being given special treatment, rather they are just being thrown up on the carrier's website with no fanfare. With that kind of lopsided distribution and lack of promotion, along with the acknowledged bias, its no wonder WP7 struggles in the US, and that really is down to poor carrier support. US carriers have no problem stocking the same android model but WP7 is largely ignored. Until that changes there is no way WP7 is going to make nay headway, at least in the US.
I think though, that with Nokia's media push, brand recognition and seemingly well liked devices WP7 can do very well in Europe. It will be interesting to see the sales figures for the Lumia 800/710 this holiday compared to other handsets in Europe and the US. The US looks like it will continue to have a poor selection of WP7 devices and be dominated by ios and android.
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1) Most people will never use the cloud features on their phones, in reality. Fair enough, some people will require a phone with a larger storage capacity. It would be nice to see some phones with larger storage, but there is a massive problem: take a phone with big storage, or with storage size options, to a mobile network, and they'll just charge an absolute fortune for it, so nobody will buy it. That limits your market to SIM free devices- and maybe a few people will buy it then, but probably not enough to make it worth your while.
2) In the meantime, firstly why are videos so important to you? On a 4" screen my eyesight would be pretty screwed after about half an hour, which is why I have a 32GB Android tablet for videos, with a nice comfortable 10" screen, and it just stays in the bag that comes with me. On the odd occasion I don't have my tablet, then Youtube is normally more than enough and using it only occasionally doesn't hack out at my data plan.
3) to just have a smart playlist of tracks that I have starred, automatically synchronising 250 of my starred tracks to my phone at random- that way I have a nice selection of music I know I like, which in a way is better because I'm making better use of my collection, and I get nice surprises occasionally.
4) In summary, I just want to ask of everyone: Please just remember almost nobody is in the same precise position as you. It's great that there is a large range of people here with a range of opinions, but you have to understand that assuming that everybody is the same as you is just going to annoy people. There is nothing wrong with expressing that you would like a phone with more internal storage - but say it, then move on. Don't carry on saying it over and over. And if you don't want a phone with more internal storage, say it, then move on. Don't start arguments because you don't agree with people.
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1) cloud features, like uploading audio, video, pictures, documents, (FILES) whenever, wherever ? this is extremely important. look at the protests, police brutality, natural disasters, and corruption caught by cell phone cameras. without an instant upload, the phone could be confiscated, the person punished (off record beating) and the public never the wiser. cloud = power, pricey for data or not, it is powerful.
2) videos are something fun to share, with family, friends, coworkers. renting a movie on youtube/itunes/whatever and showing the funny part to a friend is a blast, and stimulates more purchases/rents normally. self-shot videos are fun to share instantly, with other smart phones, via bluetooth or wifi... and guarantees there is a copy should you drop yours in the water/mud/etc. the option of streaming that movie to your 32Gb whatever-pad is awesome, and should be standard practice now. how are you going to watch the HD 3D video you just shot with your smart phone with poor vision , unless you can transfer it to the 32Gb somehow ? this is where wp7 fails, because of whatever reason they restricted moving files around and file access.
3) personally i only keep 2-3Gb of music on my phone. most of it is synced 2-3 times a month now, rented or bought from amazon/whoever, or just ripped from a cd. music is a non-issue, with a 32Gb microsd card. <--- this is another thing I can't understand microsoft crippling.
4) yep, understood. data plans are getting rediculously expensive by the month. 1Gb for $30 ? but then pack on tons of 'apps' that eat data 24/7 as oem junk ? all the US carriers are really sucking in this requard. they have the bandwidth, they have the infrastructure, but greeeeeeeeeed is creating a suck-zone of expense for anyone expecting "UNLIMITED" anything.
Of they support as cards the whole price argument falls on its face. Either support sd or offer more storage options. The cloud is terrible. It leads to worse battery life due to the constant downloading and it can be a terrible experience if reception isn't great where you are.
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I agree that there are some that may need more space but to spam articles and forums saying that the phone or generation of phones (even tho not complete yet) are going to fail because it doesn't meet that particular persons need is wrong. Take me for example, I'm disappointed that the T-mobile radar has only 8gb of space but I'm not going around saying it's going to be a failure because of it.
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I agree that there are some that may need more space but to spam articles and forums saying that the phone or generation of phones (even tho not complete yet) are going to fail because it doesn't meet that particular persons need is wrong. Take me for example, I'm disappointed that the T-mobile radar has only 8gb of space but I'm not going around saying it's going to be a failure because of it.
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The radar is a mid range device. Its comparable to focus flash not focus s.
The storage is a huge problem.
They pushing away early adapters with that, and thats their only marketing worth mentioning right now (their fanbois).
The focus s has < 13gb free on a fresh boot... ... ...
Again. With sd support, the low storage would be nonfactor.
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Right now the best and only option for over 32gb of storage is a first gen Focus. If you want storage get this phone for $0.01 from at&t and spend the money for a 32gb card. I really wanted to upgrade from my focus to something with a FFC but I guess I am a customer that wants too much. It is too much to want a phone with lots of storage AND a FFC. So that means I won't be spending any money on a phone any time soon I guess. Someone lost a sale.
To the OP: I do not carry my entire music collection on my phone. I do however have 15 GB of music on my phone and listen to at least 3 hours of it daily. Like others have mentioned. Apple offers more storage options so you can't say it isn't wanted. Secondly, why should the price be the same if OEMs aren't adding more storage?
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To the OP: I do not carry my entire music collection on my phone. I do however have 15 GB of music on my phone and listen to at least 3 hours of it daily. Like others have mentioned. Apple offers more storage options so you can't say it isn't wanted. Secondly, why should the price be the same if OEMs aren't adding more storage?
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This kind of makes my point....15GBs of music by most compression standards amounts to roughly 150 hrs of music, of which this user listens to "at least 3 hours" of daily. Really? And this is supposed to back up the argument for needing more space? Really? And what about video? How much USEFUL video do most of us actually carry around on our phones? If I have a video, that means that Ive probably already seen it and, unlike music, have no reason to be carrying it around with me on my phone. Like most people (I believe) the vast majority of videos that I watch on my phone are streamed i.e YouTube, Netflix etc.
(and as for Apple [on the 4s only] offering more storage meaning that there is suddenly a demand, do not forget that the 2 best selling phones in the world are iphones with 8 and 16 GBs of total storage)
My point is: Unless your phone is your ONLY piece of hardware i.e. NO computer etc., somebody who is complaining about needing 32GBs+ of media storage on their PHONE please in some kind of detail explain how you are actually making use of anywhere close to even 1/10th of it on a daily basis.
That's only music. What about video documents and large apps and games - some of which are 200mb to 2gb just by themselves.
I think your point leaves out obvious things that must be considered.
Storage is only a problem on this platform, and no other. Even feature phones support 32g sd cards these days...
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I love how all your facts include "I" somewhere in the sentence.
The low gb phones sell will because they're the cheapest skus. Cheaper always sells more.
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That's only music. What about video documents and large apps and games - some of which are 200mb to 2gb just by themselves.
I think your point leaves out obvious things that must be considered.
Storage is only a problem on this platform, and no other. Even feature phones support 32g sd cards these days...
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Thats only music? Yes, as I pointed out, thats WAY WAY more music than you could actually have any realistic use for on your phone unless you were stranded on the moon for a year. And how many gigs of video (that you've most likey already seen) do you really carry around with you on your phone and make use of on a daily basis?
Like I challenged: if you really need 32GBs+ of storage explain how you actually (in detail) use it all up and actually make use of it.
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I love how all your facts include "I" somewhere in the sentence.
The low gb phones sell will because they're the cheapest skus. Cheaper always sells more.
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Nitpicking when he uses I to try to cover up your wrongness is quite funny. Cheapest sells more? Not necessarily, the 250GB Xbox 360 outsold the 4GB one even tho it was $100 cheaper. That's just one example.
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Nitpicking when he uses I to try to cover up your wrongness is quite funny. Cheapest sells more? Not necessarily, the 250GB Xbox 360 outsold the 4GB one even tho it was $100 cheaper. That's just one example.
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I tend to agree that 8 & 16GB phones sell more because of being cheaper. But when a person wants something larger, they will go to whatever is available instead of settling for the smaller capacities. Myself as an example. When I bought my iPhone 4, I originally bought a 16GB because it was $100 cheaper and then started seeing how the games were filling it up rapidly after all of my music and pictures and other media were on it. I chose to return it for a 32GB model and even payed the return fee to get one.
I know there is a percentage of customers MS will lose out on because of the lower capacity phones they are choosing to stay with. Apple looks to get all customers rather than a majority who may be satisfied with 8 or 16GB.
There will be a percentage of customers that Microsoft lose out on, but I guess they know that, they are not stupid.
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after looking at the next gen specs, are any current wp7 owners going to upgrade to next gen? or wait a bit longer till we get some real phones?
I upgraded because I wanted the improved camera and bigger screen on the Titan, but I could understand people being happy with their mango~fied first gen devices
....I am not going to upgrade my device, at least not for immediately. My contract is still running for another 10 month. I am very happy with my HTC Mozart, I got my 2 updates and will certainly get at least one more (Tango) or even Apollo. The device works smooth and stable like on the first day. It's faster then most of the latest 2core Android devices. It's the first time I am not nervously checking the market for new devices while being half way through my contract. So here I am, sitting back very relaxed and I will wait and see what new WP7 devices will be available next year at this same time....
not giving ATT the pleasure! I love the Samsung Focus it has been dev unlocked since the beginning , but buying a new means added expense to the contract and the specs of the new phones dont change enough to warrant the new purchase!
I need to be WOW'ed and as of now I am not WOW'ed with the current offerings of 2nd gen WP7 devices.
If this all we are getting, I'll stick with my first gen device (Trophy) for a little longer...
Never mind that I am on a CDMA carrier and my choices are VERY limited right now.
Going to switch to android galaxy nexus until windows 8 apollo comes out.
Not impressed with the quality of apps on windows phone. But highly impressed with the OS itself. So will wait for microsoft to attract more support.
I expect my Samsung Focus to last 2 more years. It's smooth and does pretty everything I want. I learned from moving from 3mp to 5mp cell phone camera is the number is irrelevant. Most cellphones just have ****ty cameras, rather just buy a real camera.
As much as I like the metro UI and the performance of the current devices I can't really see WP7 being overly desirable in comparison to other platforms. The marketplace is locked down, with a very limited number of applications. If given the choice of upgrading to a gen 2 device I would switch to Android hands down.
All feelings aside, I'm glad to see the Chevron project making progress. Microsoft needs to loosen up they're grip on the marketplace submission criteria.
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Going to switch to android galaxy nexus until windows 8 apollo comes out.
Not impressed with the quality of apps on windows phone. But highly impressed with the OS itself. So will wait for microsoft to attract more support.
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Then just support the OS, who cares about apps?
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Then just support the OS, who cares about apps?
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Who doesn't care about apps?
You're sadly out of touch.
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Who doesn't care about apps?
You're sadly out of touch.
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You are out of touch too my friend, there are many people I know who do not care about apps, be they iphone users, andoid users, BB users or WP users. There is a huge demographic out there who have smartphones simply because they think they are the cool thing to have, they may use email, they may use BBM, they may use Siri but they rarely is ever use apps. Of course there is another HUGE demographic that DO use apps (myself included), who do care about the size of their relevant app store. I even know one old guy who bought himself a Desire HD because he "liked the look of it" and only uses it for calls and texts. I set him a Gmail account up for the phone but he never even uses that, then there is my aunt who has an iphone 3G and never switches the blasted thing on because she is "saving the battery" in case she needs to make an emergency call, or there is the girl who works for me who only uses her Blackberry for BBM and taking pictures and thats it - trust me, at least 50% of the people I know who own smartphones could get by with a feature phone for all the use they get out of them, but they go into the phone retailers and have expensive smartphones shoved down their throats by pushy sales staff - tragic!!
Anecdotal "evidence" is meaningless. Don't cite "I know many people who.." as proof of anything. Statistics have proven that for iPhones, the average user (as of last January) has 88 apps downloaded and installed on their phone (in addition to the 20 apps that are pre-installed). Certainly, that means that some people have fewer than that number, but it also means that some people have far more.
Exactly. On my iTouch I have over 30 useful third party apps not counting games. On android I have even more (had that device longer). On WP7 I have less than 10 because there simply isn't much worthwhile to get from there. I'm not counting stock and own apps that would be baked into the ROM on other platforms anyways.
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As I posted elsewhere I've been eligible for upgrade for 3 months but I wanted 32GB or nothing. My choices were:
- Upgrade and live with 16GB (could probably get a Lumia 800 for free)
- Upgrade to android/iOS
- Do not upgrade and get a PMP to use alongside my 1st gen phone
It will be annoying to carry two devices but I opted for a Zune HD. The good thing is that I can now cancel my contract and wait until there's a proper phone to upgrade to as the new batch is worthless. With Pay As You Go I won't be tied to any carrier and will even be able to jump ship if the 3rd gen isn't better.
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As I posted elsewhere I've been eligible for upgrade for 3 months but I wanted 32GB or nothing. My choices were:
- Upgrade and live with 16GB (could probably get a Lumia 800 for free)
- Upgrade to android/iOS
- Do not upgrade and get a PMP to use alongside my 1st gen phone
It will be annoying to carry two devices but I opted for a Zune HD. The good thing is that I can now cancel my contract and wait until there's a proper phone to upgrade to as the new batch is worthless. With Pay As You Go I won't be tied to any carrier and will even be able to jump ship if the 3rd gen isn't better.
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I expect things to radically improve in the next year. MS just hired a Samsung VP to run WP. You know what you get when you put a Korean in control of a smartphone division? Fantastic toys! Think about it like it's Samsung having all that MS dough to come up with amazing products.
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Then just support the OS, who cares about apps?
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I do ?
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Who doesn't care about apps?
You're sadly out of touch.
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Leaving an OS over 10% of apps is pointless. WMPU did an article that claim that 90% of the most wanted apps from other platforms are now on WP. Just because a certain app isn't available it is not the fault of MS but more the fault of the developer of the app and should not be cause to leave.
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Anecdotal "evidence" is meaningless. Don't cite "I know many people who.." as proof of anything. Statistics have proven that for iPhones, the average user (as of last January) has 88 apps downloaded and installed on their phone (in addition to the 20 apps that are pre-installed). Certainly, that means that some people have fewer than that number, but it also means that some people have far more.
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If you want stats, here are some stats,
According to Neilsen, the average smartphone user has 22 apps (37 on iphone)
According to Localytics 1 in 4 downloaded apps are used once then discarded
Again according to Neilsen, the most used apps are Facebook, Google Maps and the Weather Channel (all available on WP7).
According to COMScore (Feb 2011), Users prefer to use mobile web over apps, 34.4% used apps in the USA versus 28% in Europe versus 53% Japan. I am not saying that apps are not important, they clearly are very important, but they are not the be all and end all.
This is a genuine question - how many games does the average smartphone user have? And how many of the top played games are on WP?
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This is a genuine question - how many games does the average smartphone user have? And how many of the top played games are on WP?
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I have no idea how many games the average smartphone user has, I have one game, as for top games, the top on the iPAD (I have no iPhone) are bike baron, trivial pursuit, angry birds, sonic and sea All stars racing and aquaria, perhaps someone else can furnish the top games on android.
http://wmpoweruser.com/more-tango-and-budget-windows-phone-features-screen-shots-leaked/
Looks like we might be able to send pictures and music over the sms soon!
Not many features revealed in that post, but looks like they got hands on some low-end devices too!
6GB storage for those who don't need to spend a lot of money on phone storages - I think it's a good idea to target feature phone market users with cheaper smart phones.
The sending of video & sound recordings will be nice. Just having a built in sound recorder separate from onenote will be a welcome addition for many.
Assuming this is true. I don't doubt those functions are coming in the near future even if the leak is "fake".
I spotted an option to create a new APN. I hope it will be as fully fledged as it is on Android so that I could use WP7 on Straight Talk.
WTF, afaik SGH-i917 aka Focus has 512MB of RAM.
Hmm I really hope there will be VPN support as well.
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We get options for 4-6GB but no 32GB in sight. Are you freaking kidding me?
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We get options for 4-6GB but no 32GB in sight. Are you freaking kidding me?
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knew you were gonna say that. The larger storage options are coming with Apollo in the form if removable storage. Its unlikely that these low end phones will go outside of developing nations or the PayGo realm.
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We get options for 4-6GB but no 32GB in sight. Are you freaking kidding me?
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I could not agree more. Any WP7 device should come with at least 32gb today, nevermind 64gb. Crap even the music I want to carry at all times is around 30gb, never mind a few movies or podcasts... Even 32gb is limited for me.
I love the one "Export Contacts to SIM"
They are bringing SD card support officially so the newer generation will have card slots and if a some good minds at XDA get together all the previous Gens can get bigger cards also without a issue. Plus how many Android phones have more than 8 or 16gb storage built in storage right now hardly none and that is the more popular platform right now. You need a external to actually have memory on your android.
Besides the iPhone 4S and the Nokia N9 there are no other 64gb built-in smartphones and don't look for known either unless its from Apple or Nokia. Samsung already canceled there 32gb Nexus
Can anyone confirm tht this is not a fake?
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knew you were gonna say that. The larger storage options are coming with Apollo in the form if removable storage.
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I knew someone would give me that nonsense. Apollo is in 8 freaking months at best! So what, if storage is important to me I have to move to another OS? That's ridiculous.
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I knew someone would give me that nonsense. Apollo is in 8 freaking months at best! So what, if storage is important to me I have to move to another OS? That's ridiculous.
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you're complaining in a thread for tango which has devices for low end users. What does that make you look like?
I am very interested in this phone and the $20 Amazon price tag makes it even more exciting but Apollo is (reportedly) just around the corner.
My question is should I wait and get Apollo or go ahead and grab this? I can't think of a good enough reason to wait ATM but I must admit that is mostly due to the fact that I can't think of any must have features Apollo would have that Mango doesn't or that the 900's Hardware wouldn't be able to handle other than screen resolution and I am certainly not waiting 6 months or better for that.
What say you?
You know what..buy it...if you could afford it...you only live once...I bought mine off-contact. $481 w/tax.
No point waiting since we don't even know for sure when Apollo will be release...But if you want to play the waiting game...why not wait for windows phone 9 or windows phone 10....because new technology will always be out...the longer you wait...the less time you truly get to enjoy it before the next best thing hits market...
I got my Lumia 900 and enjoying it a lot...that means that when Apollo release I'll have like 6 or 7 months of joy with this phone....Of course only do this if you can afford the phone...
For a new and the top of the line Nokia phone for $481 w/tax is cheap. I bought their old Nokia 8800 for more than that...fruit for thought...
johnnybrav0 said:
You know what..buy it...if you could afford it...you only live once...I bought mine off-contact. $481 w/tax.
No point waiting since we don't even know for sure when Apollo will be release...But if you want to play the waiting game...why not wait for windows phone 9 or windows phone 10....because new technology will always be out...the longer you wait...the less time you truly get to enjoy it before the next best thing hits market...
I got my Lumia 900 and enjoying it a lot...that means that when Apollo release I'll have like 6 or 7 months of joy with this phone....Of course only do this if you can afford the phone...
For a new and the top of the line Nokia phone for $481 w/tax is cheap. I bought their old Nokia 8800 for more than that...fruit for thought...
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I appreciate your opinion. Doing some basic estimations if the price holds steady on Amazon for the next month or so I can get it for $20 as compared to a standard high end phone at $200 which is a $180 discount.
Whereas if I were to buy it unsubsidized it runs $450 and a lot of of phones run $550+ unsubsidized. Therefore the $20 does seem to be a better deal.
I don't usually play the waiting game but I was just wondering if anyone knew a groundbreaking reason I should hold off.
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I'd wait for Apollo. I think the Lumia 900 is late to the game hardware that's more of a holdover until Microsoft readies Apollo (which hopefully supports larger than 800x480 displays and dual core processors) and Nokia is able to utilize any enhancements Microsoft mandates for newer Apollo devices.
I'm not saying it's a bad product, just not something I'd put down for a two year contract.
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Why do I need/want a dual core processor? All videos I have seen showthe Lumia performing compareably with a single core. I agree on the resolution but I'm not holding on to my focus for another 6 months(or more) for a better resolution.
I somewhat agree on the hardware specwise but the software is performing in a manner that doesn't show it as much. I just think my excitement for the 900 is higher than my excitement would be for an Apollo device. If not than I probably would be willing to drop my unsubsidized money on it.
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Why do I need/want a dual core processor? All videos I have seen showthe Lumia performing compareably with a single core. I agree on the resolution but I'm not holding on to my focus for another 6 months(or more) for a better resolution.
I somewhat agree on the hardware specwise but the software is performing in a manner that doesn't show it as much. I just think my excitement for the 900 is higher than my excitement would be for an Apollo device. If not than I probably would be willing to drop my unsubsidized money on it.
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Good point. Its really easy to say, look at all the things I could do. Why not say, look at all the thing I do. The difference between the 2 is huge.
Windows Phone has only 80k apps in the marketplace. The others, hundreds of thousands. With the exception of a few notable ones, why is a weather app found in WP Marketplace not as good as one found in Android Marketplace. I guarentee you I will not scroll through 32k weather apps, to find the perfect one for me. I have my starbucks card, my facebook/twitter, my Cloud Music player, a few games I like, minus Angry Birds space. What else would I use all those apps for?
Dual/Quad core. I've not seen an Android phone, in my hands, have the battery life its expected to. Every Android I've had, plus the Razr, has failed at batterr life, for me. I never tried the MAXX. Is it the cores eating the battery? Or is it something else? Gaurentee you, Microsoft won't release the dual/quad core spec until it solves the battery life issue. Until the phone can be used, normally, for normal purposes, by normal people, non modded, a Dual or Quad core windows phone won't release. Terry Myerson is one of the more realistic GM's at Microsoft. If the phone won't last all day on a charge, then its no good. He doesn't ask if it can be fixed. He says show me it working.
Can you imagine, Angry Birds Space, in Quad Core!!!! Level 1, recharge. Level 2, Recharge.
I'm sure I do not understand the science of the Dual/Quad core. I'm sure there is a logic between all of these 'improvements', and why we need them. Someone on this forum talked about his phone in comparisons to his previous one, as a normal person should(?) think about it....
Checklist:
Does it work better than my last one> Check.
End of Checklist.
I plan on buying the white 900 when it comes out later this month. I'm going to buy it outright even though I'm due for an upgrade and save my upgrade for WP8. I'm betting the full price on a WP8 Nokia device will be higher than what the 900 is going for.
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I plan on buying the white 900 when it comes out later this month. I'm going to buy it outright even though I'm due for an upgrade and save my upgrade for WP8. I'm betting the full price on a WP8 Nokia device will be higher than what the 900 is going for.
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I plan on doing something similar. I can get it for 20 on amazon with subsidized pricing so that means it is roughly 180 cheaper than a standard subsidized high end phone.
Comparing that to 450 unsubsidized to 550+ unsubsidized shows you save more money that way. Which also makes more sense because I am by convinced I'll be unequivocally upgrading
to Apollo therefore I don't want to commit my financial plns to it.
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Save the money now, get the subsidized price, then decide if new WP8 hardware is worth buying off contract/unlocked. It's pretty simple, pay now or pay later and pay later is always better, especially given lack of info regarding WP8.
$450 is a pretty good price for the phone.
With the ~$400 difference between subsidized and unsubsidized, I guess your question should be "Do I think the difference between subsidized and unsubsidized on the WP8 phone I'll want will be > or < $400?"
I just bought it outright in hopes the difference for the WP8 flagship will be >400
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$450 is a pretty good price for the phone.
With the ~$400 difference between subsidized and unsubsidized, I guess your question should be "Do I think the difference between subsidized and unsubsidized on the WP8 phone I'll want will be > or < $400?"
I just bought it outright in hopes the difference for the WP8 flagship will be >400
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The one major downside to that plan, and the reason I won't most likely do it, is because I am preemtively locking myself into upgrading into Windows 8. Which I am nowhere near convinced that I will want to.
The focus is the first handset I have held on to long enough to reach the upgrade point. I usued to upgrade once a year or more. Stating that I could reasonably see the 900 being in that category as well and if it turns out it's not I'll pay then for unsubsidized.
Most of my research says that there is a better chance that the difference will be less than 180 which is what I am looking at here ( price of 900(20) vs the price of most high end devices (200)) Whereas most devices run roughly no more than 600 or so compared to 450 or better unsubsidized.
And furthermore the likelihood of a killer feature coming out in the next year or less is highly unlikely as far as I am concerned.
Can anyone think of a rumored feature that would be that earth shattering?
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Save the money now, get the subsidized price, then decide if new WP8 hardware is worth buying off contract/unlocked. It's pretty simple, pay now or pay later and pay later is always better, especially given lack of info regarding WP8.
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This is the way I'm leaning. Although I will admit I wish the White I was so looking forward to wasn't gloss. Makes it seem cheaper and more prone to scratches and smudges. But no device has ever been perfect so I suppose this is no different.
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Can anyone think of a rumored feature that would be that earth shattering?
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Earth shattering? No. But WP8 will bring a number of things up to speed like higher resolution displays, multi-core procs, etc.
The most important things will likely be in the software running on the phone. Various accounts suggest that the tight integration of services into WP7 will be on steroids in WP8. Think along the lines of Skype integrated into the dialer, perhaps even APIs that support direct integration of third party VOIP solutions, like Tango or Google Voice.
If you assume that MSFT will get it together and roll out APIs for integrating third party services into core OS functions on the scale of the Mango API release, watch out. You can really let your imagination go crazy.
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Earth shattering? No. But WP8 will bring a number of things up to speed like higher resolution displays, multi-core procs, etc.
The most important things will likely be in the software running on the phone. Various accounts suggest that the tight integration of services into WP7 will be on steroids in WP8. Think along the lines of Skype integrated into the dialer, perhaps even APIs that support direct integration of third party VOIP solutions, like Tango or Google Voice.
If you assume that MSFT will get it together and roll out APIs for integrating third party services into core OS functions on the scale of the Mango API release, watch out. You can really let your imagination go crazy.
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And those sound enticing but not world beaters. I feel like the core argument is similar to the current generation video game consoles; meaning that they have more power than developers know what to do with and as such will take a while to come into their own.
Thank you for your knowledge. The people here are making me feel better and better about my decision.
Either way, there's no wrong decision.
+1 to all kenikh said. Hit the nail on the head, especially the if M$ get their **** together part. That's the key here. They could hit it out of the park, or just end up with an experience that's only a minute step forward as opposed to a monumental one.
WP7 is great despite all it lacks. WP8 should address the areas where WP7 is decidedly hindered.
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Either way, there's no wrong decision.
+1 to all kenikh said. Hit the nail on the head, especially the if M$ get their **** together part. That's the key here. They could hit it out of the park, or just end up with an experience that's only a minute step forward as opposed to a monumental one.
WP7 is great despite all it lacks. WP8 should address the areas where WP7 is decidedly hindered.
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Just curious what do you think it lacks? The resolution is the only thing I can think of that matters
All I know is that I went to an att store and played with a 900 today, and I want one bad! I have used android for years now, but wow I love that phone. And the price is great! And there will be 4G in my area next month. Need to dump my sprint contact.
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Just curious what do you think it lacks? The resolution is the only thing I can think of that matters
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Yeah resolution of course and an ecosystem (not their fault) with apps that can access core OS API. App integration into the OS has come a long way, but will mature further. More customization options couldn't hurt them either.
It'd be nice to have some real multitasking.
Other than that, it's all I can think of at the moment. Not a whole lot of stuff but just lime everything else, not only does it have to be done, it needs to be done right.
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I'd edit my last post but the app won't let me scroll to the bottom of it LOL. Lime=like.
And with things like upped resolution will be everything behind it hardware-wise.
One thing I can't get with WP7 is proper integration of outlook when your company is running exchange server 2003, almost a deal breaker for me, but I blame my company as much as I blame M$ for that.
My most important work emails arrive with no preview line or contents. Sucks sometimes.
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Yeah resolution of course and an ecosystem (not their fault) with apps that can access core OS API. App integration into the OS has come a long way, but will mature further. More customization options couldn't hurt them either.
It'd be nice to have some real multitasking.
Other than that, it's all I can think of at the moment. Not a whole lot of stuff but just lime everything else, not only does it have to be done, it needs to be done right.
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I pretty much agree with all of that but not being a Machead, none of those middling features are enough to make me foam at the mouth and wait in line to get a Win8 phone. Want but don't need and not want more than my 600 dollars
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I pretty much agree with all of that but not being a Machead, none of those middling features are enough to make me foam at the mouth and wait in line to get a Win8 phone. Want but don't need and not want more than my 600 dollars
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TBH, the upped resolution (assuming it doesn't sacrifice the smoothness) and proper compatibility with my Exchange server would be enough for me to justify it.
I'm not a Machead either.
But the quality and functionality of apps should improve with WP8.... Curious how well integrated it'll get with Win8.
I can't say right now whether I'll be in line for the first flagship WP8 device. Who knows, there might be another offering at that time that I'd prefer. I'm not affixed to any certain OS family, so my opinion is subject to change as they change and the offerings evolve. I can say, though, I'm glad WP finally got a flagship quality device. I'm addicted to AMOLED but have been F'd in the A enough by Samsung that I wasn't about to buy another one of those.... Then the Lumia 900 came along. Perfect.