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Ballmer: "Mango phones coming out this Christmas"

http://www.wpcentral.com/ballmer-mango-phones-coming-christmas
I reallllly hope I'm not right (I'm calling early/mid 2012 for Mango).

Did you come across the some of the 2nd generation phones announced today?
http://www.wpcentral.com/microsoft-reveals-new-samsung-mango-device
Really liking the new Samsung.

That one he pulled out of his pocket looked wicked.

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That one he pulled out of his pocket looked wicked.
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If your look at the video in 720p, you can see a spot towards the top left of the phone....Is that a front camera spot ?

certainly looks like a ffc and leave it to samsung to do it...
HTC/LG your move

Ya, I believe one of the articles I've read (Engadget?) leaned toward it having a front-facing camera.
We just have to wait I guess, until we can get a higher quality video to confirm.

sure haven't said:
http://www.wpcentral.com/ballmer-mango-phones-coming-christmas
I reallllly hope I'm not right (I'm calling early/mid 2012 for Mango).
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I think people are taking that comment WAY to literally. I can guarantee that he did not mean "arriving in stores on Christmas day". He meant for the Christmas shopping season. Which, for most people in the manufacturing and retail industries means "late October" .
Besides, we still don't know which will come first, new Mango devices, or the release of the Mango update to carriers for existing phones.

That's a GSII with WP7. Same as the original GS that became the Focus.

Can OEMs use dual core processors with WP7?
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Peew971 said:
Can OEMs use dual core processors with WP7?
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Yep. If they want to. They can go above and beyond the minimum specs at their discretion as long as they at least meet them.

DavidinCT said:
If your look at the video in 720p, you can see a spot towards the top left of the phone....Is that a front camera spot ?
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Could be. But if you look at the Optimus 7 it looks like it has a front facing camera. However it doesn't. Could be the same thing.

I hope we are WOWed....as of now, no hardware wows any of us

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Can OEMs use dual core processors with WP7?
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I do not believe so. Microsoft is being strick on Hardware. I believe their writing the chipset drivers themselves, which is why it's only Snapdragon 1st gen right now. They want to avoid the horrible driver issues that happened on WM, especial HTC & their crappy 3D drivers. Mango adds some 2nd gen Snapdragon support, but haven't seen anything dual core yet. Nevermind the fact that WP7 doesn't need it yet.

hopefully , ballmer will have enough sense to wait a little while AFTER the iphone 5 release... otherwise there's no point with the release.
no dualcores ? man, I hadn't heard that yet. there could be some awesome camera apps with that benefit.

I don't think anyone really need dual core atm, I was just asking to guess if Samsung could use the exact same hardware for wp7.
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They will just like they did with the Galaxy S -> Focus. Just remove some hardware stuff.

Part of me says Yea, for Dual cores, then another side does not...
Nice thing about WP7 now, everything runs on Every device but, once you get into to dual core CPUs, there will be games made for the dual core that don't run on the signle core...
So you would need to upgrade if you want to run everything...
Just like my windows PC that I have to spend about $600 a year (every 3 years about $1200) so I can run every game on the market with no slow downs and awsome frame rates..

we don't really need dual core at the moment.. games would get better, but devs still have to consider the first gen hardware..

It would be nice if WP7 phones were modular. You could replace components with upgraded ones. The latest CPU a dual core? No problem! Just flip a back panel open and pop in the dual core. Need a FFC? No problem! Just pop off the small front panel and plug in the FFC. Need an upgraded GPU? No problem! Just open up the cover and replace the existing one with the latest from ATi or nVidia.
Sounds a lot like custom computers but would be a boon for WP7.

I'm almost sure we will see mango + devices just in time for christmas, if all goes well, or more probably due to some hiccup in super-improving your new os version and devices, for your enjoyment, they will have to make it slide to january, which in turn means that most people will get the mango update in february/march. I think the first mango+nokia phones will be ready almost too late for christmas

Another I9100 leak on its way

http://www.sammobile.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3066&p=19399#post19399
Another I9100 leak on its way... it is a shame we haven't gotten anything ICS leaked yet.

I bet they are holding our update until after the sprint nexus launch.

tejasrichard said:
I bet they are holding our update until after the sprint nexus launch.
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Of course they are, why give us ICS now. Then we wont want to buy Galaxy Nexus, the E4GT is a better device!

cordell12 said:
Of course they are, why give us ICS now. Then we wont want to buy Galaxy Nexus, the E4GT is a better device!
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It is a better device ...maybe but if it has exynos 1.5 ghz it may not be a better device . I like higher resolution of screen ....camera eh who cares ...we shall know soon but yes if its the same as vzw yes ours is better
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Agreed. Our phone is better.. The nexus might have a higher resolution screen but the pentile-ness of it is annoying. Holding it at any angle produces a 'rainbow' like band of colors that I don't have a problem with on my Epic Touch. Not to mention our GPU + CPU combo is better and overall feels snappier. The Nexus is a great phone otherwise..

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It is a better device ...maybe but if it has exynos 1.5 ghz it may not be a better device . I like higher resolution of screen ....camera eh who cares ...we shall know soon but yes if its the same as vzw yes ours is better
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some people care about the camera... a LOT. it's probably the main reason i would never consider the nexus. i mean, how can a high end device have such a crappy camera?
i'd actually say that the 1.5 ghz vs. 1.2 ghz matters a lot less-- WHO CARES? i mean, if you get your rocks off by looking at benchmarks scores it might matter, but in terms of real world use, there will be virtually no difference whatsoever

limeaid said:
some people care about the camera... a LOT. it's probably the main reason i would never consider the nexus. i mean, how can a high end device have such a crappy camera?
i'd actually say that the 1.5 ghz vs. 1.2 ghz matters a lot less-- WHO CARES? i mean, if you get your rocks off by looking at benchmarks scores it might matter, but in terms of real world use, there will be virtually no difference whatsoever
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The camera is definitely the ONE thing holding me back. Of course seeing the phone in person may change my mind. Still kind of hoping on the Note coming to Sprint...

ICS for the Epic and the launch of the Nexus G have no relationship. If that were the case then they would hold off on the ICS for the Nexus S too. I know for a fact Sprint is working on getting the Nexus S update approved. It just had bugs they had to get out. It should be launching in a few weeks.
I have no idea when the Nexus G is coming but I would think April-May. I bet our phone gets ICS in April. Samsung hasn't even made a build yet for Sprint to test so it is not coming soon. At this point it is Samsung's fault, not Sprint's.

limeaid said:
i'd actually say that the 1.5 ghz vs. 1.2 ghz matters a lot less-- WHO CARES? i mean, if you get your rocks off by looking at benchmarks scores it might matter, but in terms of real world use, there will be virtually no difference whatsoever
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I could not agree with you more on the above statement^^^
The funny thing about all that is most people probably underclock to get better battery life out of the phone than overclocking for speed

limeaid said:
some people care about the camera... a LOT. it's probably the main reason i would never consider the nexus. i mean, how can a high end device have such a crappy camera?
i'd actually say that the 1.5 ghz vs. 1.2 ghz matters a lot less-- WHO CARES? i mean, if you get your rocks off by looking at benchmarks scores it might matter, but in terms of real world use, there will be virtually no difference whatsoever
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The thing important feature with the Galaxy Nexus camera is that it takes pictures practically instantly. And to do that, the CMOS battery for the camera that could do that was 5MP

tejasrichard said:
I bet they are holding our update until after the sprint nexus launch.
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Doubt it. Sprint probably wants to clear their stock of wimax devices.
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I underclock mine to 800 for better battery. The dual core helps. I would guess a single core wouldn't take that reduction in speed very smoothly. Second, I seriously wonder about this, how many of these people that have their panties all in a bunch about ics have actually used a phone that has ics on it and not something just kanged together? Yes, many people are looking forward to the update, but I'm not the only one who thinks it's not all it's hyped up to be. Yes,I have it installed on my ns4g. No, it's not a kang. I really don't care for it. It's cosmetically different, so you're going to have to learn the different way of doing things. Other than that, I don't notice much of a difference. The camera has panorama, big friggin deal. Yeah, it's probably alot like going from windows 98 to xp. You're going to say "how do I do this" or "where do I find that" often. I'm sure I'd get used to it eventually but it's too meh for me atm.
As for lte, it won't be in my area at the launch. Even if it was, I wouldn't get the gn. I would wait and see what the nexus 4 is like or get a galaxy 3. I couldn't give a rat's ass about nfc, so, what other new feature could they come up with? A barometer? Sheesh!

DonutGrunt said:
The thing important feature with the Galaxy Nexus camera is that it takes pictures practically instantly. And to do that, the CMOS battery for the camera that could do that was 5MP
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The crappiness of the Nexus camera has nothing to do with 5MP vs. 8MP. The Nexus camera has an inferior sensor and lower max aperture. Many people have complaining about how pixelated images look if there is not plenty of light
http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/27/2665023/the-camera-on-the-galaxy-nexus-really-sucks

oscarthegrouch said:
I underclock mine to 800 for better battery. The dual core helps. I would guess a single core wouldn't take that reduction in speed very smoothly. Second, I seriously wonder about this, how many of these people that have their panties all in a bunch about ics have actually used a phone that has ics on it and not something just kanged together? Yes, many people are looking forward to the update, but I'm not the only one who thinks it's not all it's hyped up to be. Yes,I have it installed on my ns4g. No, it's not a kang. I really don't care for it. It's cosmetically different, so you're going to have to learn the different way of doing things. Other than that, I don't notice much of a difference. The camera has panorama, big friggin deal. Yeah, it's probably alot like going from windows 98 to xp. You're going to say "how do I do this" or "where do I find that" often. I'm sure I'd get used to it eventually but it's too meh for me atm.
As for lte, it won't be in my area at the launch. Even if it was, I wouldn't get the gn. I would wait and see what the nexus 4 is like or get a galaxy 3. I couldn't give a rat's ass about nfc, so, what other new feature could they come up with? A barometer? Sheesh!
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i dont know what difference ICS will make on our phone but on my Transformer Prime it made a huge difference its like not even the same Tab.... so much better
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Who do you think is responsible for gimping the nexus phones?

The nexus phones always seem to be missing some crucial features that prevent them from destroying all the competition.
The nexus S had 480p recording which was a shocker since every high end phone was coming with HD video recording. It also never had a 32GB variant which didnt make sense since there was no card slot. Isnt google competing with apple?
Okay now the situation is a bit different with the galaxy nexus. It brings forward the sharpest SAMOLED screen to date but it just couldn't do without those shockers.
It turns out its the dimmest SAMOLED screen on any phone, hurrah samsung this is supposed to have the greatest display. It could still be said to have but the brightness seriously puts a dent on it.
5MP camera anyone? And yes MP dont matter that much but the overall quality of the nexus camera just doesnt compare with the S2 and iphone 4S.
720p resolution but weak GPU in a world of android where game optimization is poor? Ya that one puts a nail in the coffin for me.
And then where is the 32GB galaxy nexus? A phone with 1080p recording is only 16GB with no card slot? Really google?
When apple upgraded the GPU for the new ipad, it showed me they plan things with applications as the priority. Google on the other hand slapped a regular chipset for a 720p pentile screen that isnt actually HD but requires the GPU to output a million pixels.
Dont mind me guys I know you are all happy with your phones. I am a nexus S owner looking to upgrade but it seems like I will have to sacrifice software support for my next phone for better hardware and performance.
So then who is to blame? People say samsung and it makes sense in a way. Samsung doesnt own the nexus brand and if samsung makes this killer nexus phone that goes on to be a best seller, google could simply ask some other manufacturer to make the next nexus phone as they are not tied to anyone. So some other company benefits from a brand name that samsung helped establish as a top one.
On the other hand is google really that powerless to not be able to just tell samsung what they want in their phone?? It could very well be the case that google itself doesnt want it's nexus to utterly destroy everything else like the S2 did. Google doesnt want to discourage other manufacturers. There is one big thing which google miss out in all of this, it's nexus phone doesnt dominate the iphone feature wise the way it really should.
So your thoughts?

Gambler_3 said:
The nexus phones always seem to be missing some crucial features that prevent them from destroying all the competition.
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They're not *supposed* to be "destroying the competition". Nexus devices are meant to serve as an example for the direction they want Android to take. That's it.
The nexus S had 480p recording which was a shocker since every high end phone was coming with HD video recording. It also never had a 32GB variant which didnt make sense since there was no card slot. Isnt google competing with apple?
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No. Google is not competing with Apple. All they care about is that you (and iPhone users) continue to use google.com. Android serves that purpose. The Nexus serves as a guidepost for Android.
Okay now the situation is a bit different with the galaxy nexus. It brings forward the sharpest SAMOLED screen to date but it just couldn't do without those shockers.
It turns out its the dimmest SAMOLED screen on any phone, hurrah samsung this is supposed to have the greatest display. It could still be said to have but the brightness seriously puts a dent on it.
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Um. Ok.
5MP camera anyone? And yes MP dont matter that much but the overall quality of the nexus camera just doesnt compare with the S2 and iphone 4S.
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That's because Google wanted to emphasize a camera with instant photo capture. The Galaxy Nexus takes worse photos than my Nexus S 4g.
720p resolution but weak GPU in a world of android where game optimization is poor? Ya that one puts a nail in the coffin for me.
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Ok, then get another phone. Easy solution, no?
And then where is the 32GB galaxy nexus? A phone with 1080p recording is only 16GB with no card slot? Really google?
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The 1080p is only at 10mbps...
Either way, having limited space actually serves google's interests once again, as they want you to use Google+ sync for photos, and Google Music to stream music.
MTP so users don't have to bother mounting their phones' storage.
A modest GPU to show how much hardware acceleration can help the experience on even "older" chipsets.
You (and I) don't have to like it. Not at all. But them's the breaks. There are a LOT of other phones with better specs.
When apple upgraded the GPU for the new ipad, it showed me they plan things with applications as the priority. Google on the other hand slapped a regular chipset for a 720p pentile screen that isnt actually HD but requires the GPU to output a million pixels.
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Cool.
Dont mind me guys I know you are all happy with your phones. I am a nexus S owner looking to upgrade but it seems like I will have to sacrifice software support for my next phone for better hardware and performance.
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Yes, yes you will.
So then who is to blame? People say samsung and it makes sense in a way. Samsung doesnt own the nexus brand and if samsung makes this killer nexus phone that goes on to be a best seller, google could simply ask some other manufacturer to make the next nexus phone as they are not tied to anyone. So some other company benefits from a brand name that samsung helped establish as a top one.
On the other hand is google really that powerless to not be able to just tell samsung what they want in their phone?? It could very well be the case that google itself doesnt want it's nexus to utterly destroy everything else like the S2 did. Google doesnt want to discourage other manufacturers. There is one big thing which google miss out in all of this, it's nexus phone doesnt dominate the iphone feature wise the way it really should.
So your thoughts?
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You are to blame for owning a Nexus already, and yet not understanding the point of Google creating Nexus devices.
The Nexus S was no trend-setter either. It was a GalaxyS but without an SD card. Why on earth would Google do that with the Nexus S? Because, again, their goals for the device were to showcase their new Gingerbread theme (which SAMOLED screens do best) and push manufacturers into making more cloud-centric devices (ie no SD card). They wanted a larger screen, and a "sexy" looking device to show that Android can have style.

Google are in the business of making money. The Nexus phone is a consumer device for ORDINARY EVERY DAY PEOPLE. It is NOT a developer phone for geeks!
All this nonsense about Google not caring about the phone competing is absolute complete and utter uninformed nonsense from people who are more than happy to champion poor, over priced, old tech.
Google would do very well to stop advertising the Nexus is it's just for developer geeks, because the adverts i've seen for the Nexus are incredibly similar to the adverts I see for the iphone.
Google dropped the ball on this phone, plain and simple, and only fan boys will argue otherwise.
I will say one thing, thank god for AOKP! The latest AOKP Rom is amazing.

biffsmash said:
Google are in the business of making money. The Nexus phone is a consumer device for ORDINARY EVERY DAY PEOPLE. It is NOT a developer phone for geeks!
All this nonsense about Google not caring about the phone competing is absolute complete and utter uninformed nonsense from people who are more than happy to champion poor, over priced, old tech.
Google would do very well to stop advertising the Nexus is it's just for developer geeks, because the adverts i've seen for the Nexus are incredibly similar to the adverts I see for the iphone.
Google dropped the ball on this phone, plain and simple, and only fan boys will argue otherwise.
I will say one thing, thank god for AOKP! The latest AOKP Rom is amazing.
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Right. Because Google is *REALLY* pushing it hard on all 4 carriers in the US, huh? Really trying to get that market-share for the Nexus.
They still refuse to sell the GSM Galaxy Nexus in the US, some 6 months after release. They've dropped "official" support for the CDMA binaries for the VZW Galaxy Nexus, and have shown no signs of that changing anytime soon.
But yeah, sure, Google really cares a lot if this phone competes with other Android phones. No reason why they should care, since an Android phone is an Android phone.
Riiiight, if you say so.

I said please dont mind what I am saying. I am not here to merely bash this phone but for a reasonable discussion.
I really dont mind the lack of SD card at all thats why I have a nexus S. I also dont really mind heaving inferior video recording, I'll much rather have an LED flash which the galaxy S didnt have.
What I do care about is the still picture camera and gaming performance, 2 areas the nexus S was up with the best for it's time but the galaxy nexus isnt. The nexus S didnt bring in a new screen but it was still the best you could get. It didnt bring in a new chipset but again it was the best you could get(yes shortly bested by the tegra 2) but it was still more than adequate for 800x480.
While the galaxy nexus would have superior screen to my nexus S, it would have inferior sunlight legibility which is an unfortunate compromise that shouldn't be there considering how bright the note is. While it plays all games fine for now you never know when it's time would be up due to how poorly optimized android games can be.
I agree with the above user google dropped the ball on this there is no way to go around it. The galaxy nexus unlocked is now cheaper than the galaxy S2, that shows how it has performed. The nexus S never became cheaper than galaxy S.

Gambler_3 said:
The nexus phones always seem to be missing some crucial features that prevent them from destroying all the competition.
The nexus S had 480p recording which was a shocker since every high end phone was coming with HD video recording.
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480p recording was an operating system limitation at the time. Vanilla android just didn't support HD recording. People are giving manufacturers boatloads of crap for skins, but the reality remains that they add functionality that the underlaying OS wouldn't otherwise have. My 2010 HTC Desire had HD recording because of Sense, but my Nexus S didn't have because of vanilla android.
The FM radio that is inside both Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus? Vanilla android doesn't support it so we don't get to use it. Also I believe skins have added quite a bit of HW acceleration to their devices before the OS itself had it in any meaningful way. Android is quite barebones OS in itself, though now with ICS things are looking much better.

reuthermonkey said:
They're not *supposed* to be "destroying the competition". Nexus devices are meant to serve as an example for the direction they want Android to take. That's it.
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Well said.
From Google:
"...Nexus, is designed to allow enthusiasts to install custom operating systems. Allowing your own boot image on a pure Nexus S is as simple as running fastboot oem unlock."
From Engadget:
"Google's purebred Android phones are by nature developer-friendly and ship with a painless ability to unlock their bootloaders."
Again from Google:
"As part of the Nexus brand, Nexus S delivers what we call a “pure Google” experience: unlocked, unfiltered access to the best Google mobile services and the latest and greatest Android releases and updates."
From ZDnet:
"The Galaxy Nexus will be the next Google flagship phone, insuring owners will always get Android updates, and in a timely fashion."
From Gottabemobile:
"The “Pure Google Experience” phone skips all of the bloatware (pre-installed apps that nobody asked for) and custom UIs that manufacturers and carriers commonly tag onto Android phones."
Starting to get the picture of what Nexus is all about? Nexi are Google's flagship phone not Samsung's, not HTC's, not Sony's or anyone else.

Cmmts said:
480p recording was an operating system limitation at the time. Vanilla android just didn't support HD recording. People are giving manufacturers boatloads of crap for skins, but the reality remains that they add functionality that the underlaying OS wouldn't otherwise have. My 2010 HTC Desire had HD recording because of Sense, but my Nexus S didn't have because of vanilla android.
The FM radio that is inside both Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus? Vanilla android doesn't support it so we don't get to use it. Also I believe skins have added quite a bit of HW acceleration to their devices before the OS itself had it in any meaningful way. Android is quite barebones OS in itself, though now with ICS things are looking much better.
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What are you talking about? The nexus S still doesnt have HD video recording with ICS.
If it really was an OS limitation you didnt think someone here at xda would have long been able to find a hack??
And GB nexus S is one of the smoothest if not the smoothest single core android phone I have used.

But the nexus is a consumer phone not a dev phone....quote all u want
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What are you talking about? The nexus S still doesnt have HD video recording with ICS.
If it really was an OS limitation you didnt think someone here at xda would have long been able to find a hack??
And GB nexus S is one of the smoothest if not the smoothest single core android phone I have used.
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Can't seem to find a reference at this point, but I have been told this. BTW HTC Desire still remains my smoothest single core android phone to this day. I really wasn't that impressed with Nexus S.

So let's see. You (OP) criticizes the GN because you think it has a weak GPU even though you admit it runs all current games fine. If the screen lacks brightness, you know this is configurable. As for the SD card slot, Google finds it is a nuisance because it splits the filesystem in half and you need to juggle where to put stuff.
Most of the camera problems were fixed with firmware 4.0.4 and it is definitely comparable with the GS2 (I own one too so I know).
The GN is a well designed device and comes with the best Android stock experience, not some skinned nonsense.
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As some said, its a base for other devices. Kinda like a minimum requirement for future phone. whatever other device makes, i don't care. I'm happy cuz Android is that powerful and has varieties. of course, i'll be staying with Nexus.

Cmmts said:
Can't seem to find a reference at this point, but I have been told this. BTW HTC Desire still remains my smoothest single core android phone to this day. I really wasn't that impressed with Nexus S.
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I'd be inclined to agree, having a Desire for almost 24 months. However, the girlfriends Desire S is also single core and faster, she would never let me take Sense off of it but I dare say it could well have been better.

Here's a discussion where a number of users state that the 720p issue is because of the OS.
http://androidforums.com/nexus-s/238837-why-doesnt-nexus-s-record-video-720p-30fps.html

TlDr but I got bits out of it.
The nexus doesn't need a super gpu for 720p rendering the 4460 OMAP has the best HD decoding in the industry. The screen is fine. The camera is sub par in the amount of pixels it can fit in a square but the quality is fine. It does the job. Its a phone ffs.
Honestly all I can say is to read my signature.
Also, this phone was never meant to compete with iOS or other Androids. It was meant to help set an industry standard for the next generation of Android hardware.
Please, can we stop making threads about how the Nexus isn't everything you wanted it to be? There's plenty of other phones you mentioned, so go use em and stop cluttering our General.
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Cmmts said:
Can't seem to find a reference at this point, but I have been told this. BTW HTC Desire still remains my smoothest single core android phone to this day. I really wasn't that impressed with Nexus S.
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Galaxy nexus does HD video and nexus S is running the same OS so what does lack of HD has to do with OS?
And I have found the nexus S app drawer to be as smooth as iphone, cant get smoother then that. And home screens are pretty smooth as well without too many widgets. Ofcourse other phones could be just as smooth.
Andie00 said:
This thread sucks.
Well said.
From Google:
"...Nexus, is designed to allow enthusiasts to install custom operating systems. Allowing your own boot image on a pure Nexus S is as simple as running fastboot oem unlock."
From Engadget:
"Google's purebred Android phones are by nature developer-friendly and ship with a painless ability to unlock their bootloaders."
Again from Google:
"As part of the Nexus brand, Nexus S delivers what we call a “pure Google” experience: unlocked, unfiltered access to the best Google mobile services and the latest and greatest Android releases and updates."
From ZDnet:
"The Galaxy Nexus will be the next Google flagship phone, insuring owners will always get Android updates, and in a timely fashion."
From Gottabemobile:
"The “Pure Google Experience” phone skips all of the bloatware (pre-installed apps that nobody asked for) and custom UIs that manufacturers and carriers commonly tag onto Android phones."
Starting to get the picture of what Nexus is all about? Nexi are Google's flagship phone not Samsung's, not HTC's, not Sony's or anyone else.
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So where does it say that the pure google experience gets hampered if you put the latest tech inside a phone? Seriously what is this ridiculous argument that just because it is dev phone it isnt about hardware.

Cmmts said:
Here's a discussion where a number of users state that the 720p issue is because of the OS.
http://androidforums.com/nexus-s/238837-why-doesnt-nexus-s-record-video-720p-30fps.html
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2010 dude this is 2012. Obviously it has nothing to do with OS as nexus S is now running an OS that does support HD video.

Smallsmx3 said:
But the nexus is a consumer phone not a dev phone....quote all u want
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Who said it's a dev phone?
We (and Google, and the entire tech industry) has stated that the phone is a guidepost for Android. It's a reference phone.
Now, it's quite normal for developers to prefer Nexus phones because... well... they're the reference. But no one ever said it wasn't a consumer phone. It's just not going to be the latest and greatest of everything. It's not meant to be - never was.

Which is the question of the thread why the hell cant it be the latest and greatest when the greatest company samsung is making it??
Why should they leave out features that dont need any rocket science to put into? Why cant those who love the reference phone have all the greatest features when the company making it is clearly capable of delivering them?

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Galaxy nexus does HD video and nexus S is running the same OS so what does lack of HD has to do with OS?
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And some phones with ICS support UMS, yet we support MTP. The OS does have to do with it, considering it likely has checks in it, and/or the Nexus S specific overlay LIMITS it to 480p.
The Nexus S has 320mb of usable ram and a single core CPU. Do you expect it to record in 720p like a boss? I know my Droid Incredible had 720p enabled in an update, and it was a joke.

HTC one X vs Galaxy Nexus

I posted this on the nexus area..however I believe its fair for the other side to see my opinion as well
I got me one X and love it but I also love my nexus.I am not here to flame anyone or anything just showing my personal opinion
I decided to make a video about this so u guys can see it side to side
enjoy!
http://youtu.be/pGJWAjepYt4
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Thanks for the video. helpfull I cop the GNex finally. used but only 1 month old. so new where did you get that custom back skined thing on your gnex ?!

It's not really a comparison.
The GN has the worst AMOLED display Samsung's ever created, a crappy camera, ****ty battery life with the standard battery, and an outdated SoC. It's only outstanding feature compared to any more modern phone is that it's pure Google and will always get the latest updates. That, and at $349 U.S. unlocked, it's a great value. I passed on it when it first came out because of the h/w specs and reviews and now that the next-gen SoC's are out I'm glad I did. Software comes and goes, h/w is forever.

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Thanks for the video. helpfull I cop the GNex finally. used but only 1 month old. so new where did you get that custom back skined thing on your gnex ?!
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It's a gelaskin
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It's not really a comparison.
The GN has the worst AMOLED display Samsung's ever created, a crappy camera, ****ty battery life with the standard battery, and an outdated SoC. It's only outstanding feature compared to any more modern phone is that it's pure Google and will always get the latest updates. That, and at $349 U.S. unlocked, it's a great value. I passed on it when it first came out because of the h/w specs and reviews and now that the next-gen SoC's are out I'm glad I did. Software comes and goes, h/w is forever.
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When the phone was at its prime time I would ve still pick it instead of the HTC
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When the phone was at its prime time I would ve still pick it instead of the HTC
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I had a i9100 and passed because I didn't see the point and I wanted a phone with a next-gen SoC. Different strokes for different folks.

BarryH_GEG said:
It's not really a comparison.
The GN has the worst AMOLED display Samsung's ever created, a crappy camera, ****ty battery life with the standard battery, and an outdated SoC. It's only outstanding feature compared to any more modern phone is that it's pure Google and will always get the latest updates. That, and at $349 U.S. unlocked, it's a great value. I passed on it when it first came out because of the h/w specs and reviews and now that the next-gen SoC's are out I'm glad I did. Software comes and goes, h/w is forever.
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I actually bought it 285€ (US $349 !).

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Although I hate to admit it

The Galaxy S III has been outclassed in the performance department by the iPhone 5. Everything is faster on it with the new Cortex-A15 processor by it. I am not sure how the international GS3 does against it overclocked. But it's probably safe to say the new iPhone is the most powerful LTE device on the market at this moment. Although it's not likely, it would be nice of the Galaxy S IV used the Exynos 5450.
The iPhone's hardware improvements alone won't make me switch because it's still an iPhone that runs iOS but I hope Samsung turns up the heat in response.

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Yeah, ok.
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Why? This is about the Galaxy S III and its brand. There's nothing wrong with discussing how it handles against other phones on the market.

The iphone 5 benchmarks were false (unless you were talking about other benchmarks).
From Adam outler on Google Plus:
CNET posted a bogus report on benchmarks. I had problems believing that a dual core from apple would be faster than every Android device so I decided to go to the source. Turns out the Galaxy S3 and the Nexus7 both score higher benchmarks than the iPhone 5.
You can see here for yourself. IPhone scores 1590, Galaxy S3 scores 1766. These are the benchmarks mentioned in the article below.
Android benchmarks: URL blocked, from primatelabs
iPhone benchmarks: URL blocked, from primatelabs
CNET's blatantly misreported benchmark review : URL blocked from CNET "iphone-5-benchmarks-surface-performance-doubles"

Went to AT&T today looking at the 5 with my wife I must say but I hate admitting it the speed is insane on lte did a speed teat in store and it got 51 up 20 down ran it with my s3 got 45 up 18 down.
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jmatt78 said:
Went to AT&T today looking at the 5 with my wife I must say but I hate admitting it the speed is insane on lte did a speed teat in store and it got 51 up 20 down ran it with my s3 got 45 up 18 down.
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It would need alot more than that to get me to deal with all it's other shortcomings.

Who gives a rats ass about the fastest phone? People who are power hungry on specs slightly bug me. The S4 processor with the current GPU play everything flawlessly. Who cares that the ifail 5 has a better processor. Its a common fact that as soon as a new product is released, its outclassed by the time you change underwear at night. Pretty soon were all going to holding quad core/12 MP/1080p display beasts and then god will descend from the heavens and scoop us all us.... or a nuclear strike will occur and we will all be turned into dust.
Let apple have their glory because Samsung did when this phone was announced.
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megagodx said:
The Galaxy S III has been outclassed in the performance department by the iPhone 5. Everything is faster on it with the new Cortex-A15 processor by it. I am not sure how the international GS3 does against it overclocked. But it's probably safe to say the new iPhone is the most powerful LTE device on the market at this moment. Although it's not likely, it would be nice of the Galaxy S IV used the Exynos 5450.
The iPhone's hardware improvements alone won't make me switch because it's still an iPhone that runs iOS but I hope Samsung turns up the heat in response.
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Outclassed how? A Jellybean S3 benches faster than the iPhone 5 by a healthy margin and still has a bigger screen and more RAM.

I was just posting stats that I found there is nothing that apple could ever do that would make me abandon the samsung line of android devices. I have the note tablet as well and that blows the iPad away in my opinion.
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Ok... Yeah the crap phone 5 is five months newer than my GS 3... It had better be faster, otherwise they have bigger problems in that company than i thought. Hell with a additional 5 or 6 months, it ought to be faster than it is. Guess what, when the SGS 4 comes out in another 6-8 months, it will be faster than the icrap 5... and so forth and so on... Thus is life.
In before the lock. (to bad i can't lock it)
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Ultimately stock vs stock may be faster (marginally), but we can still over clock and optimize like crazy where they can't, and this will produce significant differences in performance. It all lays with the combination of hardware and software and the ability to manipulate it... this is where android will always win, because they give us the freedom to do these things.
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megagodx said:
The Galaxy S III has been outclassed in the performance department by the iPhone 5. Everything is faster on it with the new Cortex-A15 processor by it. I am not sure how the international GS3 does against it overclocked. But it's probably safe to say the new iPhone is the most powerful LTE device on the market at this moment. Although it's not likely, it would be nice of the Galaxy S IV used the Exynos 5450.
The iPhone's hardware improvements alone won't make me switch because it's still an iPhone that runs iOS but I hope Samsung turns up the heat in response.
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Those benchmarks that were posted by CNET were false. GG
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The only equipment in the i phone that is better is the processor. Everything else is outdated.
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megagodx said:
The Galaxy S III has been outclassed in the performance department by the iPhone 5. Everything is faster on it with the new Cortex-A15 processor by it. I am not sure how the international GS3 does against it overclocked. But it's probably safe to say the new iPhone is the most powerful LTE device on the market at this moment. Although it's not likely, it would be nice of the Galaxy S IV used the Exynos 5450.
The iPhone's hardware improvements alone won't make me switch because it's still an iPhone that runs iOS but I hope Samsung turns up the heat in response.
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Although I hate to point it out.... Your going by false data.
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The only thing the iphone5 has that I want is the almost unbreakable screen. They did some magic on that.
Other then that the iphone would be useless for me as it doesn't do anything I need and everything it does do is sub par
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waiters said:
The only thing the iphone5 has that I want is the almost unbreakable screen. They did some magic on that.
Other then that the iphone would be useless for me as it doesn't do anything I need and everything it does do is sub par
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Pretty sure the only reason the screen is "almost unbreakable" is because of the solid aluminum back and sides. Unlike the iPhone 4/4S, the screen doesn't really seem to cushion any of the blow like it did on previous devices, instead being taken more by the aluminum. As we all know, Gorilla Glass (or whatever they may be using in the iP5) can handle damn near anything on the face, but an impact to the edge is where the shattering happens.
I still wouldn't want one simply because of the screen, because i simply just don't drop my phone. Never have, and doubt i will anytime soon.

Umm, OP, you do realize that the OS are different and demand different things from its hardware right? No offense but it would be stupid to compare two completely different OS that utalize different hardware. IOS is fast in the iPhone 5 because it was made to be fast on iPhone 5. Not because the hardware is fast. Its called optimization. Which iOS is for THAT hardware.
Just my two cents.
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same boring os and look as the last 5 yrs
no nfc(even though i dont care about it im sure some do)
no wireless charging
weird looking skinny screen
headphone jack on the bottom(wtf were they thinking)
constantly being scared to upgrade os cuz of waiting on jailbreak
battery life sucks
yea id say once again apple made a phone that is already behind everything else
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Jammol said:
Umm, OP, you do realize that the OS are different and demand different things from its hardware right? No offense but it would be stupid to compare two completely different OS that utalize different hardware. IOS is fast in the iPhone 5 because it was made to be fast on iPhone 5. Not because the hardware is fast. Its called optimization. Which iOS is for THAT hardware.
Just my two cents.
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the iphone only seems fast cuz the hardware never does any work. the apps do all the work themselves. its just the way everything is coded. considering all that i still dont understand why the battery life always sucks.

I went to the apple store today as the nerd me and i family are and i waged a double double from in n out on my s3 being faster opening apps and on laodong web pages... and infront of 4 customers and 3 employees my phone won every single test on the apple store wifi network... i can say in real world uses im happy with my purchase. And my double double was delish.
im on my phone. expect terrible typos.

howtomen said:
I went to the apple store today as the nerd me and i family are and i waged a double double from in n out on my s3 being faster opening apps and on laodong web pages... and infront of 4 customers and 3 employees my phone won every single test on the apple store wifi network... i can say in real world uses im happy with my purchase. And my double double was delish.
im on my phone. expect terrible typos.
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what did the customers and apple geniuses have to say?