The Galaxy S III has been outclassed in the performance department by the iPhone 5. Everything is faster on it with the new Cortex-A15 processor by it. I am not sure how the international GS3 does against it overclocked. But it's probably safe to say the new iPhone is the most powerful LTE device on the market at this moment. Although it's not likely, it would be nice of the Galaxy S IV used the Exynos 5450.
The iPhone's hardware improvements alone won't make me switch because it's still an iPhone that runs iOS but I hope Samsung turns up the heat in response.
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Yeah, ok.
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Why? This is about the Galaxy S III and its brand. There's nothing wrong with discussing how it handles against other phones on the market.
The iphone 5 benchmarks were false (unless you were talking about other benchmarks).
From Adam outler on Google Plus:
CNET posted a bogus report on benchmarks. I had problems believing that a dual core from apple would be faster than every Android device so I decided to go to the source. Turns out the Galaxy S3 and the Nexus7 both score higher benchmarks than the iPhone 5.
You can see here for yourself. IPhone scores 1590, Galaxy S3 scores 1766. These are the benchmarks mentioned in the article below.
Android benchmarks: URL blocked, from primatelabs
iPhone benchmarks: URL blocked, from primatelabs
CNET's blatantly misreported benchmark review : URL blocked from CNET "iphone-5-benchmarks-surface-performance-doubles"
Went to AT&T today looking at the 5 with my wife I must say but I hate admitting it the speed is insane on lte did a speed teat in store and it got 51 up 20 down ran it with my s3 got 45 up 18 down.
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Went to AT&T today looking at the 5 with my wife I must say but I hate admitting it the speed is insane on lte did a speed teat in store and it got 51 up 20 down ran it with my s3 got 45 up 18 down.
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It would need alot more than that to get me to deal with all it's other shortcomings.
Who gives a rats ass about the fastest phone? People who are power hungry on specs slightly bug me. The S4 processor with the current GPU play everything flawlessly. Who cares that the ifail 5 has a better processor. Its a common fact that as soon as a new product is released, its outclassed by the time you change underwear at night. Pretty soon were all going to holding quad core/12 MP/1080p display beasts and then god will descend from the heavens and scoop us all us.... or a nuclear strike will occur and we will all be turned into dust.
Let apple have their glory because Samsung did when this phone was announced.
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The Galaxy S III has been outclassed in the performance department by the iPhone 5. Everything is faster on it with the new Cortex-A15 processor by it. I am not sure how the international GS3 does against it overclocked. But it's probably safe to say the new iPhone is the most powerful LTE device on the market at this moment. Although it's not likely, it would be nice of the Galaxy S IV used the Exynos 5450.
The iPhone's hardware improvements alone won't make me switch because it's still an iPhone that runs iOS but I hope Samsung turns up the heat in response.
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Outclassed how? A Jellybean S3 benches faster than the iPhone 5 by a healthy margin and still has a bigger screen and more RAM.
I was just posting stats that I found there is nothing that apple could ever do that would make me abandon the samsung line of android devices. I have the note tablet as well and that blows the iPad away in my opinion.
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Ok... Yeah the crap phone 5 is five months newer than my GS 3... It had better be faster, otherwise they have bigger problems in that company than i thought. Hell with a additional 5 or 6 months, it ought to be faster than it is. Guess what, when the SGS 4 comes out in another 6-8 months, it will be faster than the icrap 5... and so forth and so on... Thus is life.
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Ultimately stock vs stock may be faster (marginally), but we can still over clock and optimize like crazy where they can't, and this will produce significant differences in performance. It all lays with the combination of hardware and software and the ability to manipulate it... this is where android will always win, because they give us the freedom to do these things.
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The Galaxy S III has been outclassed in the performance department by the iPhone 5. Everything is faster on it with the new Cortex-A15 processor by it. I am not sure how the international GS3 does against it overclocked. But it's probably safe to say the new iPhone is the most powerful LTE device on the market at this moment. Although it's not likely, it would be nice of the Galaxy S IV used the Exynos 5450.
The iPhone's hardware improvements alone won't make me switch because it's still an iPhone that runs iOS but I hope Samsung turns up the heat in response.
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Those benchmarks that were posted by CNET were false. GG
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The only equipment in the i phone that is better is the processor. Everything else is outdated.
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The Galaxy S III has been outclassed in the performance department by the iPhone 5. Everything is faster on it with the new Cortex-A15 processor by it. I am not sure how the international GS3 does against it overclocked. But it's probably safe to say the new iPhone is the most powerful LTE device on the market at this moment. Although it's not likely, it would be nice of the Galaxy S IV used the Exynos 5450.
The iPhone's hardware improvements alone won't make me switch because it's still an iPhone that runs iOS but I hope Samsung turns up the heat in response.
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Although I hate to point it out.... Your going by false data.
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The only thing the iphone5 has that I want is the almost unbreakable screen. They did some magic on that.
Other then that the iphone would be useless for me as it doesn't do anything I need and everything it does do is sub par
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The only thing the iphone5 has that I want is the almost unbreakable screen. They did some magic on that.
Other then that the iphone would be useless for me as it doesn't do anything I need and everything it does do is sub par
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Pretty sure the only reason the screen is "almost unbreakable" is because of the solid aluminum back and sides. Unlike the iPhone 4/4S, the screen doesn't really seem to cushion any of the blow like it did on previous devices, instead being taken more by the aluminum. As we all know, Gorilla Glass (or whatever they may be using in the iP5) can handle damn near anything on the face, but an impact to the edge is where the shattering happens.
I still wouldn't want one simply because of the screen, because i simply just don't drop my phone. Never have, and doubt i will anytime soon.
Umm, OP, you do realize that the OS are different and demand different things from its hardware right? No offense but it would be stupid to compare two completely different OS that utalize different hardware. IOS is fast in the iPhone 5 because it was made to be fast on iPhone 5. Not because the hardware is fast. Its called optimization. Which iOS is for THAT hardware.
Just my two cents.
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same boring os and look as the last 5 yrs
no nfc(even though i dont care about it im sure some do)
no wireless charging
weird looking skinny screen
headphone jack on the bottom(wtf were they thinking)
constantly being scared to upgrade os cuz of waiting on jailbreak
battery life sucks
yea id say once again apple made a phone that is already behind everything else
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Jammol said:
Umm, OP, you do realize that the OS are different and demand different things from its hardware right? No offense but it would be stupid to compare two completely different OS that utalize different hardware. IOS is fast in the iPhone 5 because it was made to be fast on iPhone 5. Not because the hardware is fast. Its called optimization. Which iOS is for THAT hardware.
Just my two cents.
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the iphone only seems fast cuz the hardware never does any work. the apps do all the work themselves. its just the way everything is coded. considering all that i still dont understand why the battery life always sucks.
I went to the apple store today as the nerd me and i family are and i waged a double double from in n out on my s3 being faster opening apps and on laodong web pages... and infront of 4 customers and 3 employees my phone won every single test on the apple store wifi network... i can say in real world uses im happy with my purchase. And my double double was delish.
im on my phone. expect terrible typos.
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I went to the apple store today as the nerd me and i family are and i waged a double double from in n out on my s3 being faster opening apps and on laodong web pages... and infront of 4 customers and 3 employees my phone won every single test on the apple store wifi network... i can say in real world uses im happy with my purchase. And my double double was delish.
im on my phone. expect terrible typos.
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what did the customers and apple geniuses have to say?
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I am an avid android fan, and I plan on staying an android user.
This post is out of pure technical curiosity.
How do you guys think the incoming iphone 5 will stack up compared to our phones? How do you think it will stack up compared to the nexus prime?
I am just looking for a good discussion.
As far as I know, if Samsung is supplying it's parts, it should be on par with the SGSII.
Hardware wise = A little lower specs than our phones.
Software wise = Outdated.
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As far as I know, if Samsung is supplying it's parts, it should be on par with the SGSII.
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I don't believe samsung is supplying as much as usual.
The processor is unique to apply.
The screen will be unique to apply, etc.
Honestly, I don't see the internals of the phone matching/ or at least outpacing the sgsII. But I do wonder how the screen will stack up. Yes, our screen is great, but the lower resolution, and the fact that apple makes great screens....may well spell a win for apple.
In terms of software...we all know that IOS is very fluid. But honestly, how much can a phone be more fluid then our epic 4g touch? This phone is ridiculously smooth. I didn't know such performance was achievable on android 2.3.
We also know ios is looking to narrow the gap in terms of software features with a revamp notification area, etc. But, correct me if I am wrong, I believe apple will still lack turn by turn navigation....which is a big deal to me. The rumored voice control will be nice, but nothing way ahead of what android already offers.
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Hardware wise = A little lower specs than our phones.
Software wise = Outdated.
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Which phone will be outdated? Why?
Not wanting to be rude but who cares unless you are thinking of buying an iPhone.
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Not wanting to be rude but who cares unless you are thinking of buying an iPhone.
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Did you read the post? The purpose was to facilitate discussion.
You honestly don't have to read it, or reply to it.
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Did you read the post? The purpose was to facilitate discussion.
You honestly don't have to read it, or reply to it.
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I read it, but the still same thing comes to my head....who cares. I don't plan on buying one so to me why post about something that won't build up the ET4G or any android device. This should be in the apple forums lol....just saying.
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I read it, but the still same thing comes to my head....who cares. I don't plan on buying one so to me why post about something that won't build up the ET4G or any android device. This should be in the apple forums lol....just saying.
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So again, I repeat, don't reply. Just leave it alone.
If no one cares, let the thread die, and I apologize for anyone I bothered.
Well I am with you here, you can trigger the discussion about something and you never know when some one with some inside news or a link might chime in.
Software? I couldn't care less about.
Hardware...that's what I want to know. I'm curious as to what the screen will be. Bigger? Same size?
iPhone 5
Im more the Android fan, but i must say, the internal hardware of the new iphone 5 is certainly impressive from what i've read!
People lately really been taking advantage of free speech, like it's that important to let us know you don't care.. Gtfo
That is not this threads intention anyway.
Now on topic, I honestly feel with only the release of the gs2 we will do well against the tyrant apple lol
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How come someone give an opinion on how the SGS2 will stack up against the iPhone 5 when no one knows what is even in the iPhone 5. Seems like a pointless discussion........
Honestly on the hardware front, nothing can touch the galaxy s 2 with the mali gpu and exynos processor. Well, nothing in a smartphone that is. But, the Ipad2 with the PowerVR SGX 540 and A5 processor wins in all the benchmarks that anandtech threw at it. A natural progression would predict that Apple will throw the A5 processor in the Iphone 5. So hardware wise if this is true than the Iphone 5 will be a beast. But, it really is going to come down to preference. Because anything you throw @ my epic touch, the epic touch throws it right back with grace. Most likely the Iphone 5 will do the same. Performance wise I dont think we will see a difference. So, it will come down to software preference. I own an Epic touch because I wanted the best Android experience out there. And in my opinion I have that right now. But, some people like the simple to use IOS. I plan to get my girl the Iphone 5 so she can just use it and stop bothering me for messing with her phone (my old OG evo 4g).
Source:
1. http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined/17
hayabusa1300cc said:
People lately really been taking advantage of free speech, like it's that important to let us know you don't care.. Gtfo
That is not this threads intention anyway.
Now on topic, I honestly feel with only the release of the gs2 we will do well against the tyrant apple lol
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...How do you guys think the incoming iphone 5 will stack up compared to our phones? How do you think it will stack up compared to the nexus prime?
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If the iPhone 5 indeed has the A5 dual core processor (same that's in the iPad 2), and they haven't clocked up the speed much, I wouldn't expect much. I used an iPad 2 for a while and after getting the GS2 it doesn't compare. The performance of the GS2 destroys the performance of the iPad 2 (different devices, I know, but I've never owned and iPhone...)
Also, iOS has a LONG way to go before it can compete with Android. It was awesome about 2 years ago, but it was left in the dust long ago.
My biggest gripe about Android was that it was buggy and it took a lot to keep it working properly, but with this phone that's not a problem anymore. I have yet to find a reason to root (rooting would be nice for certain things, but it doesn't feel necessary like it has with other Android devices I've owned).
So how will the 3 compare? I think: Prime > GS2 > iPhone 5. With the gap between the Prime and GS2 tiny, of course...
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...But, the Ipad2 with the PowerVR SGX 540 and A5 processor wins in all the benchmarks that anandtech threw at it. A natural progression would predict that Apple will throw the A5 processor in the Iphone 5. So hardware wise if this is true than the Iphone 5 will be a beast. But, it really is going to come down to preference....
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I guess I've never looked at pure benchmarks, and maybe it's just the differences between Android and iOS, but the iPad2 seems less snappy and more cumbersome than this phone.
Granted, Apple has had 6-8 months to work out bugs with the A5, so I'd imagine they'll throw an updated OS with the iPhone 5.
Though there is a reason I'm typing this on an Android forum and not an iOS forum... I just like Android better.
Apple is proly gonna do what sammy did to them
Wait for competitor to release product
Revise product to one up competitor
Release product
Ex ipad 2 galaxy tab 10.1
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I've been wondering if they do in fact increase the screen size if they will increase the resolution to keep with their 'retina display.' To be honest, the samoled screen can't be beat in many areas, however higher resolution and pixel density is very key and because of that I actually prefer the screen of the ns4g to the sgs2. One reason I hope the prime isn't released with an ungodly large display.
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MoMatt said:
I guess I've never looked at pure benchmarks, and maybe it's just the differences between Android and iOS, but the iPad2 seems less snappy and more cumbersome than this phone.
Granted, Apple has had 6-8 months to work out bugs with the A5, so I'd imagine they'll throw an updated OS with the iPhone 5.
Though there is a reason I'm typing this on an Android forum and not an iOS forum... I just like Android better.
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I also own an Ipad 2. I bought it for my girl. When it comes to web browsing, even though technically the Ipad 2 is faster hardware, my Epic Touch browses alot faster than the Ipad 2. Actually my girl complains about the web browsing speed of the Ipad 2. That is because the way Samsung optimized the stock browser on the Eipc Touch. Samsung actually uses the same technique on the back end that Apple uses with their Safari browser. Difference is Samsung does it alot better. I know this through everyday use of both products.
But, that is beside the point. I am in the same Android forum as you are because I am still more akin to my precious and highly customizable Android OS.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined/4
This phone WILL be better than the iphone5... I and its not even announced yet. And that's comparing everything.. I except maybe the screen
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Since it's release date on October 10, I've been debating on whether or not I should get this over the Amaze 4g and after 4 days, I decided that the galaxy s 2 is the best choice for me. Now after watching some videos of the original galaxy s 2, I want to know what things were left out in terms of processing power. All I know is that it uses the snapdragon s3 processor which runs on an a8 cortex as opposed to the a9 in the exynos processor. I know that speed is one of the things that the exynos has over snapdragon and also the fact that it's asynchronous as opposed to qualcomm running one core at a time (correct me if I'm wrong here, not savy on processors). The biggest things I know I will use on this phone is Internet, photos, media, and some gaming here and there. On YouTube I saw the original galaxy s 2 capable of running an N64 emulator with virtually no lag, though I don't know if sound was included, and the same goes for the psx emulator. I also saw how it was able to play multiple video formats (including 1080p mkv files) with no issues whatsoever. I want to know if the snapdragon processor would still be capable of running emulators at similar speeds and still have support for multiple video formats even though it's not as fast as the exynos processor. Help is definitely appreciated.
P.S. This was typed on an iPod so sorry if there are any typos and grammar mistakes.
The Qualcomm chip is asynchronous.
Right now, I don't know how much Samsung did to fine-tune the system to accommodate the hardware differences....but like you said, the Qualcomm chip is A8 and the Exynos is A9.
That speaks for itself.
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The Qualcomm chip is asynchronous.
Right now, I don't know how much Samsung did to fine-tune the system to accommodate the hardware differences....but like you said, the Qualcomm chip is A8 and the Exynos is A9.
That speaks for itself.
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I have no idea in the difference care to enlighten me or post a link?
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I have no idea in the difference care to enlighten me or post a link?
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Essentially, the Qualcomm chip is running on an older architecture relative to the Exynos, which is typically why the Exynos outperforms the Qualcomm even at lower clockspeeds. I'm guessing T-Mobile needed the SGS2 to be on par with with its siblings thus the higher clockspeeds (1.5ghz) to accommodate the older architecture.
The iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S if I'm not mistaken are also running chips that are based on the A9 architectures.
There is a difference when using the original SGS2 with the T-Mobile version...but it's not too drastic. What the CPU makes up in lack of speed, the big screen more than makes up for it.
I'm quite new to this forum, therefore I can't post external links yet. However, perform a google search for "How Samsung's chip change-up affects the T-Mobile Galaxy S II" the first link is an interesting article.
The normal clockspeed for this processor is 1.5GHz
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I'm quite new to this forum, therefore I can't post external links yet. However, perform a google search for "How Samsung's chip change-up affects the T-Mobile Galaxy S II" the first link is an interesting article.
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What I took away from that article is that they went Snapdragon in order to use another modem chip to be able to do 42Mbps. The sacrifice is graphics performance.
Hmm, it plays my HD movie great. Not sure I will ever play a first person shooter on it...
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The normal clockspeed for this processor is 1.5GHz
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i was about to point out the same
the Qualcomm CPU stock speed is 1.5 Ghz, the same CPU on HTC Sense was actually under clocked to 1.2 Ghz
so the new HTC Amaze is using the CPU at is normal speed like on our phone
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What I took away from that article is that they went Snapdragon in order to use another modem chip to be able to do 42Mbps. The sacrifice is graphics performance.
Hmm, it plays my HD movie great. Not sure I will ever play a first person shooter on it...
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It also sacrifices general OS performance, at least in its current state. Looks like Samsung did no optimization on this guy for the qcom SoC. As it currently stands, I find it more laggy than my (admittedly) highly optimized Epic (single core). Hopefully things will improve with devs, etc.
I had the original and was using it on att gophone,
and sold it to get this. I needed to be on a contract and Tmobile was my only option so I got this
User interface was faster and smoother, apps opened and closed in the blink of an eye
games also ran with no lag whatsoever
Screen is bigger, no hardware buttons, and faster data is a plus for me
Tmobile is very spotty in my area tho
Sometimes I feel like I should have stayed
This phone has been behaving differently
The user interface is nearly as smooth and some of my favorite games lag
(Dragon fly, modern combat 2)
Still a great phone but these 2 Arras are disappointing for me
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Krooked22 said:
I had the original stay.
User interface was faster and smoother, apps opened and closed in the blink of an eye
games also ran with no lag whatsoever
This phone has been behaving differently
The user interface is nearly as smooth and some of my favorite games lag
(Dragon fly, modern combat 2)
Still a great phone but these 2 Arras are disappointing for me
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To be clear, gaming performance will never be as good on this platform. The GPU is severely weaker than the exynos models. What remains to be seen is if the rest of the OS can be optimized though.
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To be clear, gaming performance will never be as good on this platform. The GPU is severely weaker than the exynos models. What remains to be seen is if the rest of the OS can be optimized though.
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The OS definitely can be a little more optimized for this processor. This phone isn't a slouch though.
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The OS definitely can be a little more optimized for this processor. This phone isn't a slouch though.
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It is a slouch relatively speaking, to the people who forked out full retail for this phone.
I might get this phone, if and only if, FULL hardware acceleration is not announced on the Prime, even then, I shall hunt it for free via retentions.
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It is a slouch relatively speaking, to the people who forked out full retail for this phone.
I might get this phone, if and only if, FULL hardware acceleration is not announced on the Prime, even then, I shall hunt it for free via retentions.
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I am one of the people who forked out full retail. I can take a picture of my receipt to prove. We nit pick at every single phone that comes out. Trust me when I say this phone isn't a slouch. Yes it stutters once in a blue, but its fast and pretty smooth. All we need is an official update from Samsung to fix the issue or get a few custom roms. I've owned literally every smartphone that came out for T-Mobile this year and the previous years and I can honestly say this happens to be the fastest, even with the slight stutter it gets every now and then. It's just a slight software issue. I believe that this processor is capable of getting the job done.
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this is my third phone this year and im done .nothing to complain about if i start worrying about milliseconds then i would never buy another phone again because the galaxy s3 will be a few milliseconds faster than this one and so on and on. i made a promise to myself that im done till the end of nex year
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this is my third phone this year and im done .nothing to complain about if i start worrying about milliseconds then i would never buy another phone again because the galaxy s3 will be a few milliseconds faster than this one and so on and on. i made a promise to myself that im done till the end of nex year
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Lol. I don't think your done. I think we all say this same thing. I bet I'll probably see you over at the Nexus Prime forum. I really love this phone and would like to say I'm done for the year too, but I think what makes some of us go for the next best thing is A. its the next best thing and B. we realize that our dev community gets smaller whenever the next best thing comes out so we want to be back in the loop of things. I'M JUST A PHONE SLUT!
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II've owned literally every smartphone that came out for T-Mobile this year and the previous years and I can honestly say this happens to be the fastest, even with the slight stutter it gets every now and then. It's just a slight software issue. I believe that this processor is capable of getting the job done.
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I also paid full retail (pending Prime announcement), but I can tell you that my highly optimized Epic is smoother than this phone is right now in day-to-day use. Now, hopefully that means that there is a lot of room for improvement as this chip is theoretically faster and dual-core, but it is an open question of whether that promise will be realized.
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I also paid full retail (pending Prime announcement), but I can tell you that my highly optimized Epic is smoother than this phone is right now in day-to-day use. Now, hopefully that means that there is a lot of room for improvement as this chip is theoretically faster and dual-core, but it is an open question of whether that promise will be realized.
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We will be rewarded by both Samsung and the devs soon.
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Lol. I don't think your done. I think we all say this same thing. I bet I'll probably see you over at the Nexus Prime forum. I really love this phone and would like to say I'm done for the year too, but I think what makes some of us go for the next best thing is A. its the next best thing and B. we realize that our dev community gets smaller whenever the next best thing comes out so we want to be back in the loop of things. I'M JUST A PHONE SLUT!
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This ^
This processor is the same one used in the now defunct HP touchpad. People have successfully overclocked their touchpads to 1.7ghz with minimal to no additional drain on battery but a noticeable speed boost. I imagine our phones will react much the same way
It's funny to me, when I first took my Galaxy Nexus out of the box when I first bought it, I thought that was a large phone (though I didn't think it was too large). Well once I took the Galaxy Note out the box, I no longer consider my GNex to be large. The screen of the Note is almost the size of the whole GNex. Depending on how you look at it, that's a good thing or a bad thing. All in all, after playing with both of them side by side for a while, I've come to the conclusion that the GNex is better due to it being faster in essential things like browsing and GPS. I just wish the GNex got as loud as the Note does.
Here's a link to my brief comparison:
http://thesmartphonechamp.com/smartphone-heavyweight-bout-galaxy-nexus-vs-att-galaxy-note/
I also have both and like both! I love the Gnex because of ics , 0 crapware installed pure google experience.
But i love the note because of the big screen, long battery life, and lte. The screen of the gnex looks a little better because it's smaller. The gnex might be better for you and the note might be good for someone else... It's all about taste!
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I also have both and like both! I love the Gnex because of ics , 0 crapware installed pure google experience.
But i love the note because of the big screen, long battery life, and lte. The screen of the gnex looks a little better because it's smaller. The gnex might be better for you and the note might be good for someone else... It's all about taste!
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You're right, it's definitely all about taste. I think the Galaxy Note is an awesome device. That screen is tremendous, but for me it is a little bit too big. I value one-handed operation, and I don't really think the Note is very well suited for one-handed operation. For a person that doesn't mind two-handed operation I think it's a fantastic device. For example, my uncle is geeked about that phone and intends to buy it. I took it over his house yesterday so he could see it and now he's in love with it lol. He likes two-handed operation, so yep it's like you said, it's a matter of preference. Just wish they had toned it down with all the bloatware (the phone has a massive amount of bloat). Also, the Gnex shines with ICS and the optimizations really show up in the browser, as it blows the Note away in browsing speed. It really isn't close. I'm curious to see how much improvement the Note's browser speed will see once it gets ICS. I just hate how they will "uglify" ICS with Touchwiz on the Note.
The international note is faster than the Gnex due to the Mali 400 GPU but on the AT&T version it has an adreno GPU which is probably the worst GPU series of all major ARM processor families
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Faster is relative to what function you are speaking.
cordell507 said:
The international note is faster than the Gnex due to the Mali 400 GPU but on the AT&T version it has an adreno GPU which is probably the worst GPU series of all major ARM processor families
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I think too much is made about GPU's. None of the GPU's are incapable and run software and games just fine. They only matter in benchmarks...which really don't mean anything at all besides message board bragging rights. I think if there is fault to be found in the AT&T Galaxy Note's hardware it would be the processor. They went with the S3 Snapdragon which definitely isn't in the upper tier of dual core processors. The S3 has less than half the memory bandwidth of the OMAP 4460, A5, and Exynos 4210. Then don't forget it isn't even an A9 chip either. BTW the OMAP4 thus far (the S3 has already been counted out) is the only current gen chip that will be compatible with the upcoming wifi display feature that will be added in an update later this year. Heck the Tegra 3 isn't even compatible.
I'm curious how the battery life compares between a Nexus with the 2100mah battery and a Note with the 2500mah battery.
I wouldn't even look at a SGS3 if the Note had stock ICS and NFC. Otherwise it's worthless with TW barfed on it. The Note is a fantastic mobile otherwise. I do miss the notification light though.
(I'm talking about the international version. That 4 button abomination just released doesn't count.)
(I know I can flash it to whatever I want. I want stock ICS OOTB.)
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I wouldn't even look at a SGS3 if the Note had stock ICS and NFC. Otherwise it's worthless with TW barfed on it. The Note is a fantastic mobile otherwise. I do miss the notification light though.
(I'm talking about the international version. That 4 button abomination just released doesn't count.)
(I know I can flash it to whatever I want. I want stock ICS OOTB.)
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I agree with you that Touchwiz is definitely not the greatest. I've seen the leaked ICS Rom and you can barely tell the difference between it and Gingerbread visually. As for the US version of the Note, I think it looks much better than the international version with its giant ugly PHYSICAL home button. Besides, that one home button is a little too iphone-ish for me.
I have yet to play with note but I have a feeling I will trade this guy for a white note.
It looks super nice and eventually they should have cm9 and that's close enough to aosp for me.
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"Eventually."
Let us not forget it is LTE. That ALWAYS makes for a fun time with new devices to aosp.
"Eventually" may be by the time of EOL of the LTE Note
True true... I wonder how many people left this device for it and are happy
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Well I just played with the Note at an ATT store last night, it was beautiful.
The case didn't feel as premium as nexus, but ahmigawd the screen!
I originally wanted a Note but it didn't support T-mo properly so didn't import it. No way in hell I'd get it for ATT or VZ (both can diaf).
However I don't feel you can really compare the Nexus to a Note, it's in its own category, the size will basically polarize people. The interesting thing about the Note is that, pretty much the only complaint about it is that it's "too big", reviewers list that as a con - which imo is just dumb, considering it was intended to be a big phone.
I'm going to hold out for the Note II
Is the note 2 for sure happening?
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Is the note 2 for sure happening?
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We should know in a couple days, I would assume.
Had the Note (international) now have the GNEX. Don't fall for the Note. It's neat, but it's still a Touchwiz-y typical device. AOSP forever. I'm done with non Nexus devices. It's just not worth the agony of always feeling left behind on the software/functionality front.
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I wouldn't even look at a SGS3 if the Note had stock ICS and NFC. Otherwise it's worthless with TW barfed on it. The Note is a fantastic mobile otherwise. I do miss the notification light though.
(I'm talking about the international version. That 4 button abomination just released doesn't count.)
(I know I can flash it to whatever I want. I want stock ICS OOTB.)
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Wow at&t really went hard on disabling features. First i ear that you can't disable lte, and now you're saying nfc is also disabled?
I have a bell version unlocked here in Canada and non of these feature are disabled.
They are terrible!!
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Is the note 2 for sure happening?
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of course there's nothing absolute.
But Note was a success, except that the release is akin to the disaster that was GSII.
There's no reason samsung won't make another Note.
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I have yet to play with note but I have a feeling I will trade this guy for a white note.
It looks super nice and eventually they should have cm9 and that's close enough to aosp for me.
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You'll like the note. I loved mine. The 5.3 inch is huge at first, but warms up to you real quick. I just traded my international note for a gnex. But it wasn't because I was dissatisfied with the device, I just needed a phone that I can wear in a holster for work. Besides, no matter how much I like a device, I can't hang on to just one, I have to try em all . I haven't received my gnex yet, but lord knows how long I'm gonna be able to hang onto it once I get it.
I just played with the att note, brand new just arrived today. Its bigger than i thought! One thing i noticed is that thing is laggggy compared to my nexus. I did side by side comparisons in many major apps and the nexus spanked it in every instance. Lists just had low frame rates and stuttered a bit. But the nexus was silky smooth for example both scrolling the same search in the market, or youtube or a webpage. Must be due to lack of exynos? Thank goodness i love my nexus.
How long until you believe this phone becomes obsolete? I hear a lot of people (and read them, too) say that this is probably the first phone they'd go the full 2 years with...however, being realistic, when was the last time you made it two years with the same device? I haven't gone two years with the same device since the original Razr was in style.
I know, I know, at 2gb ram, dual core, etc, this phone is far from becoming obsolete, so I'll rephrase that question for you: What feature on a future phone would make you make the switch from your Galaxy S3? Or are you confident enough that there will be no other phone in the next two years that can replace it?
When they release phones with 16 core Opterons in them
In the wise words of amd..:
MOAR CORES!!!!!
/sarcasm
My old s1 still works great
And really do we need to be able to play skyrim on a phone
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I've actually been impressed with mobile gaming...never was big on it but I have played 3D Spiderman, GTA 3, Fifa12, PES 2011 and 2012, NBA Jam, etc...been a great experience recently
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My old s1 still works great
And really do we need to be able to play skyrim on a phone
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Yes
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I don't know that I have a feature that I would jump ship for at this time ... but I wonder if, in 2 years, the size and use of applications will make even 2 gb of ram obsolete?
I'm in the camp that I can see keeping this phone throughout contract, but it is hard to tell if, in 1.5 to 2 years time, 2 GB of ram is actually not enough to keep up with programs/OS requirements. I don't necessarily think so, but remember back when 256MB of ram was a lot? That wasn't TOO long ago.
But, since I don't use my phone for intense gaming, I see this phone in my future for a long while - at least until the sandwich-making feature phone is announced.
I don't think it being obsolete would be the problem. I'll just want something newer at some point before two years. My Evo 3D could have easily lasted another year for my uses, but I still got a GS3.
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I don't think it being obsolete would be the problem. I'll just want something newer at some point before two years. My Evo 3D could have easily lasted another year for my uses, but I still got a GS3.
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You and I think alike. Also had Evo 3D, Razr, GNex, but still had to have the S3 and more than likely getting the Note 2 when it comes out
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Ill keep mine the whole 2 years (well 20 months or whatever it is) just like I have done with every other phone. While there may be something new and better out if you are always waiting for that you will never have a phone. That and the cost to buy phones off contract now are more than I want to spend.
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Ill keep mine the whole 2 years (well 20 months or whatever it is) just like I have done with every other phone. While there may be something new and better out if you are always waiting for that you will never have a phone. That and the cost to buy phones off contract now are more than I want to spend.
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That's why you make a friend who works for AT&T and gets all the new phones free who can turn around and sell em to u for 100-150...lol
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It will become obsolete sometime between Q4 2012 & Q2 2013. Qualcomm are already prepping the S4 QUAD for tablets this year and its performace is roughly x2 the Dual S4, and far exceeds the Exynos 4212+Tegra 3 if I read correctly. Technically the GPU in all Android phones are obsolete or slow in comparison to Apple's latest offerings(Imaginations is like a high-end Nvidia in the mobile-space, Adreno mid, and Tegra mid-high).
For some reason I feel someone is gonna make a 1080P phone, which is useless btw--just had to throw that out there for those that were unaware. Cores cores and more cores will probably be one of the more popular acts we see though, and 2GB-4GB Ram will be standard. Unfortunately I wish these companies would realize they need to relax b/c optimizations are practically nonexistent with Stock Android phones. I hate to constantly reference Apple & WP7/8, though it's a must. When i hear people telling me stuff like the HOAX or S3, or whatever dual/quad lags--lag. Seriously, these phones are using CPUs that theoretically should outperform the 4S/iPd3, but that's normally not the case. We are getting to a point where everyone is rushing to get out the latest and greatest, however all the hardware don't mean **** when the software can't match it.
P.S. Sorry about going off on a rant.
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We are getting to a point where everyone is rushing to get out the latest and greatest, however all the hardware don't mean **** when the software can't match it.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again here, I love Android OS but in terms of refinement iOS is better put together overall (speed, battery life, overall smoothness). Thats just my opinion.
and yes, quad core, 2GB RAM-LTE device is already out there in Korea... it wont be long until our dual core, 2GB RAM, LTE gets outdone hardware-wise down here
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I have been so disappointed with the radio in my t-mobile s3 because I cannot stream music without it cutting out constantly. I am actually going to demand a microsim adapter from them and return to my vibrant. If my data sucks so bad that I cannot consistently stream music in the car, what's the point of owning this without calling it just a pda.
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I have been so disappointed with the radio in my t-mobile s3 because I cannot stream music without it cutting out constantly. I am actually going to demand a microsim adapter from them and return to my vibrant. If my data sucks so bad that I cannot consistently stream music in the car, what's the point of owning this without calling it just a pda.
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What are u streaming? And what coverage do you have? 3G? H+?
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I've said it before and I'll say it again here, I love Android OS but in terms of refinement iOS is better put together overall (speed, battery life, overall smoothness). Thats just my opinion.
and yes, quad core, 2GB RAM-LTE device is already out there in Korea... it wont be long until our dual core, 2GB RAM, LTE gets outdone hardware-wise down here
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And it only took around 2 months for it to become obsolete then, not ideal in the world I would prefer, but I suppose it can't be helped. This phone could had been so much more if Samsung stuck with the SGX instead of adopting the Mali-400. It would had been so cool to have the CPU part of the S4 combined with a dual/quad SGX543/544 like the ipad/iphones. Those GPUs outperform even the silly Tegra 3 & its fancy 16 cores(which are just 16 weak cores throw together ). I don't know what Sammy or Qualcomm were thinking about. Everyone is just dropping the ball all over the place these days.
I'm not really sure, mainly because I'm not entirely vested in this phone as it is, so it probably wouldn't take much, provided I could sell this one and cover the majority cost of a replacement phone.
I think something with sufficient horsepower to run some things which even this phone can't, but that remains to be seen. One thing that could almost definitely sell me is a flagship phone like this one that has a hardware keyboard. The problem is that I'm in the minority, so a flagship Galaxy S or Nexus phone is highly unlikely to have one, and I care ever so slightly more about the fact that flagship phones have thriving development communities, whereas one-off phones, which I may like more, won't get the same kind of attention from either developers or manufacturers.
I'll keep my phone until my contract is up. I always have (except for my BB Storm which I *****ed about until they upgraded me). My OG Droid Inc lasted for 2 years until I got this S3 and it was still in like new condition. I was tired of the small screen, but the devs here kept the phone fresh.
Hell, part of me misses my Inc. (Love this phone, though.)
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Technically the GPU in all Android phones are obsolete or slow in comparison to Apple's latest offerings.
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Do you mean the dual core 800MHz in the 4S? That is Apple's current offering.
Since the definition of obsolete is...
1. out of use or practice; not current
2. out of date; unfashionable or outmoded
An old Startac is obsolete because it It can no longer be used. My old Motorola RAZR is not obsolete because I can still use it
for it's intended purpose.
I would say the phone will not be obsolete for many years to come. How can a device me considered obsolete if there is a phone
with a faster CPU or more memory? The phone can still be used for it's intended purpose.
My S3 can not do anything my Vibrant couldn't (with the same mechanicals), it only does it better.
Ian
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Do you mean the dual core 800MHz in the 4S? That is Apple's current offering.
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Actually when I said latest offering I was referencing the iPad 3. And actually I stated the GPU in Android devices are all obsolete(as in not current in terms of power). The Legendary SGX543 MP4 in the iPad 3 mops the floor of every single Android device to ever touch this world, even the soon to be made Adreno 320 in the new S4 QUAD(snapdragon) fails to match the creature. Even the 4S' SGX543 MP2 is barely phased by the Mali 400, Adreno 225, and Tegra 3's laughable 16 core toy. I have no doubt that the S3's CPU is superior at all.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6022/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-review-att-and-tmobile-usa-variants/4
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6112/...agon-s4-apq8064adreno-320-performance-preview
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6054/google-nexus-7-mini-review
^Just look there, every time Apple makes everyone look like a joke. As much as I dislike Apple's methods and price gouging what I say it true.
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It will become obsolete sometime between Q4 2012 & Q2 2013. Qualcomm are already prepping the S4 QUAD for tablets this year and its performace is roughly x2 the Dual S4, and far exceeds the Exynos 4212+Tegra 3 if I read correctly. Technically the GPU in all Android phones are obsolete or slow in comparison to Apple's latest offerings(Imaginations is like a high-end Nvidia in the mobile-space, Adreno mid, and Tegra mid-high).
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Obsolete (by my definition) doesn't mean that a newer/better product exists. Every device would be a obsolete within a few months if that were the case. To me obsolescence means that it either doesn't perform modern tasks acceptably or a new product feature is so desirable that you simply don't want your old device anymore.
We all know the S3 will handle Jelly Bean beautifully. I'm pretty confident it will be good for Key Lime Pie as well. I got close to 2 years from my OG Epic (Galaxy S1) and only upgraded short of 2 years because I could. With the strong CM/AOKP support this phone has, I'm fully confident I'll have this phone the full 2 years. Unless I break it, heh.
Time to make the jump from S2. What would you do?
Nexus 4 easily.. if came downto the note and the galaxy s3 then I'd choose the note personally. Nicer screen, longer battery life, the 4420 soc here in the states, etc. But against the nexus 4 it's beat in hardware and software in every aspect. Easily. Not to mention price
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Nexus 4 :beer:
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4G will be missed, right?
Note ²
Doin the jump... Ayyy.. Sexy Sexy :sly::sly::sly::what:
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Note ²
Doin the jump... Ayyy.. Sexy Sexy :sly::sly::sly::what:
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Yea buddy... think I might have to jump to that note 2 too.. that thang looks dope...
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Isn't the only reason the LG optimimus q up for discussion is the potential of Android updates? Cause other than that it smokes the new nexus spec wise
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Yea buddy... think I might have to jump to that note 2 too.. that thang looks dope...
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It does.. Getting mine in a few days
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I feel like upgrading from the S2 to any of those newer devices is about the equivalent of upgrading from the iPhone 4S to the iPhone 5. You aren't going to feel a giant difference. You're rarely, if ever, going to take advantage of the performance those newer devices are capable of (for now and any time in the near future).
I feel like its kind of a waste to upgrade to anything outside of your 2 year contract unless you're A) loaded and don't give a ****, B) there is something seriously wrong with your phone, or C) whatever you're doing is so ridiculously processor intensive you need something more powerful.
It isn't like we're on outdated software. We're going to get official jellybean soon, and have ample developer support behind AOSP builds of 4.1.2 (and soon 4.2) which run almost flawlessly. It isn't like our dual core exynos ever bogs down in anything availible on the market, or for daily use, and if it did- you can always overclock. Our touchscreens are great, the super AMOLED/gorilla glass display is phenomenal, battery life (if used correctly) is acceptable, the device is plenty big unless you have gorilla hands, the cameras are fine, etc. Unless you're already at your 2 year (which you shouldn't be, because the phone came out late 2011), I don't see any big calling to upgrade. This upgrade fever is ridiculous and pointless.
I might eventually get a note 2 but not for a while. This phone is perfectly fine for me. My upgrade kicks in December so I'm gonna get my gf an s3 for an early present since her evo3d is having issues
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I feel like upgrading from the S2 to any of those newer devices is about the equivalent of upgrading from the iPhone 4S to the iPhone 5. You aren't going to feel a giant difference. You're rarely, if ever, going to take advantage of the performance those newer devices are capable of (for now and any time in the near future).
I feel like its kind of a waste to upgrade to anything outside of your 2 year contract unless you're A) loaded and don't give a ****, B) there is something seriously wrong with your phone, or C) whatever you're doing is so ridiculously processor intensive you need something more powerful.
It isn't like we're on outdated software. We're going to get official jellybean soon, and have ample developer support behind AOSP builds of 4.1.2 (and soon 4.2) which run almost flawlessly. It isn't like our dual core exynos ever bogs down in anything availible on the market, or for daily use, and if it did- you can always overclock. Our touchscreens are great, the super AMOLED/gorilla glass display is phenomenal, battery life (if used correctly) is acceptable, the device is plenty big unless you have gorilla hands, the cameras are fine, etc. Unless you're already at your 2 year (which you shouldn't be, because the phone came out late 2011), I don't see any big calling to upgrade. This upgrade fever is ridiculous and pointless.
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Everything you said is True.... My phone still rocks :laugh:
Galaxy S3. The Note is just too big for me. No external sd or replaceable battery is a deal breaker for me on the nexus 4. Plus I like touchwiz. So that leaves the S3, which I absolutely love. Since my upgrade isn't up until next year and because I am very happy with my S2, I won't be going anywhere anytime soon.
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I feel like upgrading from the S2 to any of those newer devices is about the equivalent of upgrading from the iPhone 4S to the iPhone 5. You aren't going to feel a giant difference. You're rarely, if ever, going to take advantage of the performance those newer devices are capable of (for now and any time in the near future).
I feel like its kind of a waste to upgrade to anything outside of your 2 year contract unless you're A) loaded and don't give a ****, B) there is something seriously wrong with your phone, or C) whatever you're doing is so ridiculously processor intensive you need something more powerful.
It isn't like we're on outdated software. We're going to get official jellybean soon, and have ample developer support behind AOSP builds of 4.1.2 (and soon 4.2) which run almost flawlessly. It isn't like our dual core exynos ever bogs down in anything availible on the market, or for daily use, and if it did- you can always overclock. Our touchscreens are great, the super AMOLED/gorilla glass display is phenomenal, battery life (if used correctly) is acceptable, the device is plenty big unless you have gorilla hands, the cameras are fine, etc. Unless you're already at your 2 year (which you shouldn't be, because the phone came out late 2011), I don't see any big calling to upgrade. This upgrade fever is ridiculous and pointless.
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I totally agree with this but some people like new stuff or have money for it so my vote is for the S3. Of those options I feel the note2 is the biggest upgrade only due to the screen size. I personally think that screen size of the note is too big though. My must haves include a sd slot and removable battery is also very nice the Gnex is out and that leaves the S3. I might also consider the HTC.
Would the Nexus 4 work on the Sprint network?
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MiguelHogue said:
It does.. Getting mine in a few days
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I'm jealous... I'll see you there in a lil bit tho lol
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Would the Nexus 4 work on the Sprint network?
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No. N4 will only be released in a tmobile and an unlocked version. Google doesn't want to mess around with LTE closed source drivers. Causes too many issues and delays. According to what I've read.
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No. N4 will only be released in a tmobile and an unlocked version. Google doesn't want to mess around with LTE closed source drivers. Causes too many issues and delays. According to what I've read.
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In short, Google is telling Verizon to eff off.
I said my next phone will be a nexus. LG made a pretty sharp looking phone and it packs some pretty nice specs. I'm more concerned about stock Android so rooting will not be needed with the LG Nexus 4 (for me anyway).
My upgrade been available since June and I just want a new phone lol my lil sister will take my e4gt as for me I'm jumping to a manly phone the note 2. No removable battery, SD card slot and no lte is a deal breaker for me plus with jellybean smoothness I can be patient for android updates.
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My wife was upgrade eligible and picked up a Note 2 this past Saturday. I'm pretty impressed with it. I've tried it out in my pocket several times and despite the increase in size it still seems surprisingly pocketable to me.