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What a great question! I'm so glad you asked!
I recently gave in and got my bootloader unlocked on my Verizon R800x, just so I could see what all the hoopla was about. After a few days of analysis, I've already been able to draw some conclusions that I hope new seekers will find useful.
There are several things to know when making a decision like this one.
1. What model of Xperia Play am I rocking? Not all Xperia Plays are created equal. There is the data connection to consider. If you are in most of the world outside of the US, you probably have a carrier that uses GSM for data. So does AT&T and Sprint in the US. Because it is so common, there are lots of Custom ROMS and kernels, unlocking the bootloader is easy, and many people are experienced in supporting GSM. But you're a Verizon Wireless customer? - sorry, you use a CDMA connection, which means your choices are much more limited, unlocking the bootloader is more of a challenge, and people tend to laugh at you!
2. Do I want to use the phone primarily for gaming with that sweet gamepad and not-so-sweet touchpads? Do I really depend on my phone to be 100% useable at all times? Better stick with ROMs and kernels based off of stock. No need to even know what a bootloader is!
3. Or, screw the games, I wanna be big, bad and bold, on the bleeding edge of technology! Well then, plan on furthering your techie education! You're going to be learning all kinds of fun and interesting terms, like soft brick, hard brick, adb, fastboot, flashing , RAM, ROM, push, root and boot - after awhile it all starts sounding like a naughty little party is going on in your phone! Hey, Baby! I got yer bootloader right here, know wut I'm sayin?
How about some do's and don'ts?
DON'T post a question on how to root, unlock the bootloader, install coolappofthemoment.apk or what does any of these terms mean without doing a little research on your own first. Chances are, someone else asked it at least once, probably a million times, and the only responses you're likely to get are "GEEZE, READ THE BLOODY FORUMS, YA N00B!!!"
DO use Google, search the forums, and actually READ the threads that seem relevant to your question. Yes, you will read a more than a few posts like "Does this work yet?", "I don't like the color of...", "MemberX is a troll!", but interspersed in there is quite a bit of information that you may benefit from and often you will find your answer much more quickly than posting a question and waiting for a valid response.
DON'T be afraid of rooting your phone but...
DO be aware that your warranty may (will) be affected by modifying your phone.
DON'T remove anything preinstalled by the service provider until you...
DO a Nandroid Backup first. (There's a term you will want to explore further. Hint: Look into CWM Custom Recovery.)
DON'Tuninstall system apps right away. Instead freeze them (OOOH another term you might want to learn. Hint: Titanium Backup among other apps.) Once you are comfortable with restoring your Nandroid Backup, you understand what the app does, and you experience no issues freezing it, then you can remove it if you want to free up some internal storage space.
DO pay attention to who the developers are for different projects, as well as frequent posters with actual useful contributions. You can tell who they are by the phrase "The Following 9 million Users Say Thank You to UltraDev For This Useful Post:" These are the people you want to make your bestest friends.
WOW !! Who knew there was so much to learn !!! Can't I just skip all that and charge blindly ahead??? I have one word for you. BRICK !!! OK, I have another word for you:
DON'T!!!
After trying the few kernels and Custom ROMs available to me (Yes, I am a lucky Verizon customer), I decided that, for me, it's fun to be able to juggle razors (Get It? Be on the BLEEDING EDGE???), but since some of the things I like to do with my phone are not yet working with the latest and greatest, I'm better off sticking with a customized stock configuration. The great thing is, I can always try the newer stuff and then go back to the "safe" setup.
Oh yeah! I almost forgot! There is one more DO for you, and it's extremely important!
DO click that Thanks button when someone posts a project or information that you find useful. We all want to know our efforts are appreciated, right? RIGHT?????? <<Taps his foot and looks pointedly at the Thanks button>>
Your post reminded me of Excel, of Excel Saga's fame. For that you carved a little nostalgia hole in my rocky heart.
That's going to be very useful, and you had me laughing for 10 mins with the bootloader thing
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Not sure why people have so many issues flashing ROMs
Boot loops and all kinds of craziness. Jesus!
All that is needed:
Wipe data/Factory reset
Wipe system
Flash ROM
Flash Gapps
That's it... Any more steps are hogwash.
If you flash a bunch of other mods and crap you may have issues.
As to these Aroma flashes with 50 different mods. Yes it will break stuff if you have no idea what you are flashing.
Off the soapbox now.
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that usually happens with newbies
because its their frst time
once u r used to it ,you are not afraid any more....but still its very diffcult to make a newbie undrstnd ...
I am not a newb when it comes to flashing, but i can see that some of the biggest problems with newbie errors come with the fact that this forum isn't exactly the neatest or newb friendly...
I have unbricked devices I've never owned or messed with, using geek codes that I have no idea what they are for or mean, but that was because the guides were easily accessible, had properly updated OPs and didn't take a whole lot of searching to find the right answer to minor errors I may encounter
On the other hand with these boards, it seems like one has to dig through 200 pages of comments just to find the answer to one thing, FAQs are incomplete, and there is no real beginners guide to doing anything... All one gets is do , A, B, C,... When it should be "complete step A (if you haven't done "such and such" prior, then follow this link here), then do step B (full steps can be found here), etc.
When a newb is just expected to know what it means to root, back up apps/data, flash custom recovery, etc (for the first time) and there is no direction/link from the OP as to where they can go to complete each and every step thoroughly, then I can see why there are mess ups
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PhxDroid86 said:
I am not a newb when it comes to flashing, but i can see that some of the biggest problems with newbie errors come with the fact that this forum isn't exactly the neatest or newb friendly...
I have unbricked devices I've never owned or messed with, using geek codes that I have no idea what they are for or mean, but that was because the guides were easily accessible, had properly updated OPs and didn't take a whole lot of searching to find the right answer to minor errors I may encounter
On the other hand with these boards, it seems like one has to dig through 200 pages of comments just to find the answer to one thing, FAQs are incomplete, and there is no real beginners guide to doing anything... All one gets is do , A, B, C,... When it should be "complete step A (if you haven't done "such and such" prior, then follow this link here), then do step B (full steps can be found here), etc.
When a newb is just expected to know what it means to root, back up apps/data, flash custom recovery, etc (for the first time) and there is no direction/link from the OP as to where they can go to complete each and every step thoroughly, then I can see why there are mess ups
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well this completely cant be true unless you know whom to pursue or if u never read the rules....many peoples always post in the wrong section which makes us difficult to understand
Soul reaper said:
well this completely cant be true unless you know whom to pursue or if u never read the rules....many peoples always post in the wrong section which makes us difficult to understand
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Don't get me wrong, the answers are there... I get it, but I must say (all prior device forums weren't this bad... even currently, I mess with my GNII, a Nexus 7, a Nexus 4, a MyTouch4GSlide, a Huawei Ascend and Mercury(<--S.O.B), ZTE X500, Thunderbolt, Note 1, etc... none of those forums are this messed up (but also none are this new or diverse)
My rant isn't with the Dev's (OP's) as they are to busy to worry about those who irresponsibly don't know what they are getting themselves into, and ultimately no one moderator has enough resources to clean up after everyone
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PhxDroid86 said:
Don't get me wrong, the answers are there... I get it, but I must say (all prior device forums weren't this bad... even currently, I mess with my GNII, a Nexus 7, a Nexus 4, a MyTouch4GSlide, a Huawei Ascend and Mercury(<--S.O.B), ZTE X500, Thunderbolt, Note 1, etc... none of those forums are this messed up (but also none are this new or diverse)
My rant isn't with the Dev's (OP's) as they are to busy to worry about those who irresponsibly don't know what they are getting themselves into, and ultimately no one moderator has enough resources to clean up after everyone
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There are some bad ROMs that try to do too much in the way of mods and many do not see the potential issues.
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RonnieRuff said:
There are some bad ROMs that try to do too much in the way of mods and many do not see the potential issues.
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I agree that sometimes the dangers of what one might do aren't fully explained (or realized even) at times. Aroma installs are conceptually quite appealing, but their implementation can be problematic if not careful - hopefully the stuff I've put together falls in the careful category anyway
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I agree that sometimes the dangers of what one might do aren't fully explained (or realized even) at times. Aroma installs are conceptually quite appealing, but their implementation can be problematic if not careful - hopefully the stuff I've put together falls in the careful category anyway
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I have one particular in mind.. Not yours. The thread is nothing but issues because the instructions are weak and I honestly believe you can add everything but the kitchen sink most of it not tested by anyone. Noobs flash it all not understanding why half of it never works.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwleOote5M0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I enjoyed it. Lol!
newalker91 said:
Try working for a cellphone company. I made an old lady cry because she came in screaming at us saying to give her a new phone or cancel her account because it won't ring. Her HTC Hero had all of her contacts set to "Send to voicemail". Once I politely explained there's nothing wrong with her phone or her service, she started crying and said she's disappointed in me because I took away her reason to be pissed and now she doesn't know what to complain about.
Some people truly do not deserve smartphones, and it's a sad fact that companies are now pushing so hard to place expensive and intricate technology in the hands of users who were among those that couldn't even set the clock on their VCR.
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More to the point, it's a sad world when people can openly admit that they are upset at having no reason to complain, without recognizing the problem with that admission...
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I definitely agree with you guys.
That video was hilarious! That should be required viewing when creating an account.
this made me feel sad about still not knowing how to use adb
or even trying to learn how to use it
but that was a pretty accurate depiction of a noob
3 people brought me their phones to root and told me what their phones were
2 of them told me the wrong model
I love when I'm on Google+ and someone goes on a community and asks what the best ROM is without saying what phone they have and or carrier, then people start naming ROMs. I'm like wth is wrong with you people. Or someone might say I'm on the Sprint S3 and others will just start naming ROMs for other carriers like its perfectly fine to just flash a ROM no matter what model of phone you have. I hope this video ends up helping new people instead of just making fun of, and pissing someone off. I was new once as everyone is or was. But I felt like I read until I mostly understood what I was doing and why. I've seen a lot of bricks lately and if I can prevent one, this would be worth it. Lol. By the way I found this video it is not of my making just so everyone knows.
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Yea, I've been flashing my phones since 2009 with the Motorola cliq, I never bricked anything because I read, read, and read before doing anything.
Yes, I read for a month before rooting my Epic 4G and STILL was sweating through the process...how these people can just grab a phone, root and flash a ROM not for their device is beyond me.
I did the same with my evo shift, and then again with this phone - read, searched and then read some more. I've never had a serious problem. There's a wealth of information here and I'm grateful for everyone that lends their time to develop and/or help us get more out of our phones.
I remember just rooting my device. Reading everywhere and making sure the stories coincided. Triple checked my model number etc, this is not a $40 device...
I'm surprised he didn't mention RTFM in there somewhere, it's a code I [try my best to] live by and support.
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Ohh by the way... RTFM
Ok, I'll ask.... What is RTFM?
Read the f ing manual.
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RTFM - read the f'ing manual. Of course, I don't always, but I try.
Ahhh! Same here.
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Yes, I read for a month before rooting my Epic 4G and STILL was sweating through the process...how these people can just grab a phone, root and flash a ROM not for their device is beyond me.
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Like the noob in the video says, lots of people just tell noobs that it's easy to root and flash ROMs. Most of the time, it's implied that the process is easy providing that the noob reads and learns on his/her own. Unfortunately, inference isn't universal, and a lot of noobs think "it's easy" means that it doesn't matter what they flash, it's all the same.
As a former comp. sci. major, I had enough experience with computers to know that it wouldn't work that way, so I read as much as I could until I could practically flash ROMs in my sleep before even risked I messing something up. Most people aren't tech heads or comp. sci. majors, and all phones seem the same to people who don't understand phones. If they were really different in the noob's perspective, he/she would remember whether they have the LG Optimus or the Keyocera Echo. If someone doesn't realize that there's a huge difference between an HTC One vs. the Samsung Note 2, why does it matter to them which forum the ROM is from? I mean, "it's so easy!" Why not flash the first ROM they find?
Sorry for the rant. I'm someone who tells his friends that rooting and flashing ROMs is easy, but only if they're willing to read and learn on their own before jumping in, and I warn them that they could destroy their phones if they're not careful. I then reiterate that flashing is easy once you learn enough not to brick your phone and offer to help them find all the info they need. Most just decide it's not worth the risk, and they settle for the stock experience. That's how it should be. If you don't want to spend the time learning it, then don't spend the time doing it.
Putting the ILLA in KILLA since 1985
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Yes, I read for a month before rooting my Epic 4G and STILL was sweating through the process...how these people can just grab a phone, root and flash a ROM not for their device is beyond me.
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I read for about a month for my GS3. First I rooted, the unrooted/triangleaway'd and odin'd back to stock to make sure I knew what I was doing. Then I took another 2 weeks to read up on ROMs, and then I finally flashed one. The ONLY times I've bricked my phone are more or less on purpose, just because I like tinkering, and I always fixed it myself. I don't even know how people can just start flashing either I was so tedious about it, still am.
My parents got smartphones before I did and their phones are on GB still, they don't even know that android versions go higher than GB (or what GB is) they think their phones are the bees knees just because they're android lol, it's just as well though because they never tried rooting them.
Edit: I'd also like to add that I was extremely paranoid about backing up my phone the first time I flashed my first ROM. I used TIBU to back up onto my external SD, then I copied that folder to my computer and also uploaded it to dropbox and google drive, and then I made a nandroid of my stock phone which I still keep on my PC just in case.
"Flashing a phone is not the same as using a toaster."
Words to live by.
I was on my g2x for almost a year and then I had to wait 2 months before I got my s3 after release, but in those two months I kept checking every s3 thread on the root process to see if it was like the g2x method which it wasn't. People who just get a phone and think they automatically turn into a phone expert cuz they got a good phone is just plain retarded. Moral of the story read before you post/ask questions
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This is not getting as many hits as it needs. It should be a video all new members are forced to watch. Those of us new to flashing can learn something and those of us who know what we are doing because we RTFM can have a nice laugh.
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OMFG I laughed so hard. This is a depiction of a common day at XDA. Sad but true.
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First of all it should be briefly noted that I am complete beginner on the subject of rooting, although I do have some basic knowledge of actually what it is.
But, apart from that I want to divert myself away from the confusion. Having watched/read at least 15 tutorials on the process, I've found that more people are having problems than actually enjoying the features. All l I really want to know, is there an exact fool proof method out there for the HTC one X that is undeniably going to work? Or for my benefit should I just stay clear of the process completely to avoid bricking my phone?
For my own use, all I essentially want from rooting is to simply change a few stock settings and maybe play around with a few apps. I don't really want to be messing around with new roms or the like. Having said that, what is it exactly I need to do in order to have my phone rooted and not be in danger of bricking/messing up my phone. I would still want to maintain updates from HTC, would this effect this? Or am I wanting too much?
Anyway, although most of you experts out there are probably going to be annoyed by another post like this but having done some extensive research on the process in such a small amount of time I still feel that things aren't clarified, which is probably why a lot of people do it wrong. I don't know maybe it's just human error, or a lack of understanding but I just don't want to brick my phone.
Any help breaking down the process from start to finish would be great.
I have a HTC One X running 4.1.1 on T mobile. I live in the UK so do i assume mine is the international version?
Craiglivesey94 said:
First of all it should be briefly noted that I am complete beginner on the subject of rooting, although I do have some basic knowledge of actually what it is.
But, apart from that I want to divert myself away from the confusion. Having watched/read at least 15 tutorials on the process, I've found that more people are having problems than actually enjoying the features. All l I really want to know, is there an exact fool proof method out there for the HTC one X that is undeniably going to work? Or for my benefit should I just stay clear of the process completely to avoid bricking my phone?
For my own use, all I essentially want from rooting is to simply change a few stock settings and maybe play around with a few apps. I don't really want to be messing around with new roms or the like. Having said that, what is it exactly I need to do in order to have my phone rooted and not be in danger of bricking/messing up my phone. I would still want to maintain updates from HTC, would this effect this? Or am I wanting too much?
Anyway, although most of you experts out there are probably going to be annoyed by another post like this but having done some extensive research on the process in such a small amount of time I still feel that things aren't clarified, which is probably why a lot of people do it wrong. I don't know maybe it's just human error, or a lack of understanding but I just don't want to brick my phone.
Any help breaking down the process from start to finish would be great.
I have a HTC One X running 4.1.1 on T mobile. I live in the UK so do i assume mine is the international version?
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I assume that you have the fastboot files for the htc one x .
If not then please search on xda
Make sure u backup all your important data,contacts,etc
Step 1. Register on htcdev.com
Step 2. Unlocking the bootloader
Enable usb debugging on your phone
Power off your hox
Hold power button and volume down to get into bootloader
Select fastboot
Connect hox to ur pc using usb cable
Open command prompt
Go to your fastboot folder ex. cd c:\fastboot
type "fastboot oem get_identifier_token" without quotes
Copy the token code.. check on htcdev site for copying that token code
Submit your token code
Wait for an email from htc
After you get, download the Unlock_code.bin file from the email u received
Copy it to ur fastboot folder
In command prompt type "fastboot flash unlocktoken Unlock_code.bin" without quotes
On your hox u will be prompted with "Unlock bootloader?"
Choose yes using volume buttons and then press power button
This unlocks your bootloader.
Sry gtg, will post on how to root, after sometime..
Till then unlock your bootloader.
Is the phone branded? Is the phone evita or endeavoru? Check the bootloader
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There are lots of youtube video of the process.
It's really easy, if you follow them there is nothing dangerous that might happen.
Check this tool, it may make your life easier.
Good luck
Check the post by Hasoon in the stickies. Truly foolproof
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Craiglivesey94 said:
First of all it should be briefly noted that I am complete beginner on the subject of rooting, although I do have some basic knowledge of actually what it is.
But, apart from that I want to divert myself away from the confusion. Having watched/read at least 15 tutorials on the process, I've found that more people are having problems than actually enjoying the features. All l I really want to know, is there an exact fool proof method out there for the HTC one X that is undeniably going to work? Or for my benefit should I just stay clear of the process completely to avoid bricking my phone?
For my own use, all I essentially want from rooting is to simply change a few stock settings and maybe play around with a few apps. I don't really want to be messing around with new roms or the like. Having said that, what is it exactly I need to do in order to have my phone rooted and not be in danger of bricking/messing up my phone. I would still want to maintain updates from HTC, would this effect this? Or am I wanting too much?
Anyway, although most of you experts out there are probably going to be annoyed by another post like this but having done some extensive research on the process in such a small amount of time I still feel that things aren't clarified, which is probably why a lot of people do it wrong. I don't know maybe it's just human error, or a lack of understanding but I just don't want to brick my phone.
Any help breaking down the process from start to finish would be great.
I have a HTC One X running 4.1.1 on T mobile. I live in the UK so do i assume mine is the international version?
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One thing to make absolutely clear is that there is absolutely never, ever an exact foolproof method. The rooting process is as simple as it can be made and yet many fools somehow manage to screw their devices.
You are looking for a guarantee, a process that is "undeniably going to work". You are NOT going to get one.
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Craiglivesey94 said:
I have a HTC One X running 4.1.1 on T mobile. I live in the UK so do i assume mine is the international version?
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You better be sure don't just assumed. Listen for Stefan0vic check your bootloader(hboot).
Craiglivesey94 said:
I've found that more people are having problems than actually enjoying the features. All l I really want to know, is there an exact fool proof method out there for the HTC one X that is undeniably going to work? Or for my benefit should I just stay clear of the process completely to avoid bricking my phone?
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Because I'm not gonna spams if I'd do it correctly without problems. You better don't want to go through any exact noob proof methods believe me, else you'll most likely ended up with some bogus mistake/error accompany by panic and shout help me xda-ers...
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... should I just stay clear of the process completely to avoid bricking my phone?
I don't know maybe it's just human error, or a lack of understanding but I just don't want to brick my phone.
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Since we're using official bootloader unlocked process not s-off, we're actually immuned to hard bricking our phone. Unharmful soft bricking happening sometimes, however 99% of human mistake or boot image did't flash properly. Assumed that you're not going to flashes any custom ROM thus you will most unlikely to face bootloop btw.
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For my own use, all I essentially want from rooting is to simply change a few stock settings and maybe play around with a few apps. I don't really want to be messing around with new roms or the like. Having said that, what is it exactly I need to do in order to have my phone rooted and not be in danger of bricking/messing up my phone. I would still want to maintain updates from HTC, would this effect this? Or am I wanting too much?
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Trickier parts. First let me explained how official OTA updates apply, it checks and verifying on many aspects to ensure integrity of the ROM. If you removed system apps, themed on it, altered framework files, you will fail to complete OTA update. Even you don't do somethings like I said, you will still lost root access after successfully apply though simple re-rooting resolve the problem.
To play safe, make sure you find a RUU for your phone (according to your phone's CID; edeavoru/evita does matter) with greater or same version number as your current. Else you might wanna to make yourself one immediately you unlokced your phone or look in the [Stock Nandroid Backups for Different CIDs] thread on this sub-forum. The reason to do that is so you can always fallback to original ROM state for an official OTA.
If the guides on this forum are not clear enough for you then you should not be attempting to do anything with your phone. There are a multitude of threads on here and 99% of them are aimed at the beginner and are as simple as they can be. If you cannot follow them then you haven't read enough. Please remember this is a Forum for developers and everyone else, including myself, is a guest here. No one is under any obligation to explain anything or provide guides of any kind, they do it because they want to. You are basically making a post directed at the people who have provided guides out of the goodness of their hearts and telling them that those guides are useless. That's not a very nice thing to do. And yes, this is another unnecessary thread
You have been clued
I'm not sure as to where I have implied or stated that the guides posted by the developers are in fact useless. I said that a lot of people make mistakes, partly due to miss understanding and miss information. If it what was that clear and fool proof people wouldn't have problems with the process, I've seen a number of people make mistakes following these guides.
It may also be a seemingly pointless post to you, and other developers, but to someone who isn't and isn't familiar with this kind of process, I have found it to be beneficial in clarifying some points I wanted to know.
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Thanks for response, I was worried I wouldn't be getting the 4.2.2 update whenever it arrives.
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Nice! I will refer my friends to this every time I get the "what is rooting" question.
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I'm not sure as to where I have implied or stated that the guides posted by the developers are in fact useless. I said that a lot of people make mistakes, partly due to miss understanding and miss information. If it what was that clear and fool proof people wouldn't have problems with the process, I've seen a number of people make mistakes following these guides.
It may also be a seemingly pointless post to you, and other developers, but to someone who isn't and isn't familiar with this kind of process, I have found it to be beneficial in clarifying some points I wanted to know.
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It is clear and it is foolproof. I'm no expert and I used the guides to which you are referring. The problem, which you don't seem to be able to understand, is that the people who are having problems have not read and understood everything before they proceed. And you have implied that the guides are no good, again. It is not mis-information, it is impatience. Read, read and read again, use the search button and read once more. Everything you ask has been answered over and over again and everyone is fed up of seeing the same questions multiple times a day. Have a look in almost any rom thread and you will see that devs and team members are repeating themselves constantly simply because people can't or won't use the search button and fail to read previous posts.
Pause a little and think how the author of a help post must feel when they read that their guide is being reported as incomplete or incorrect after spending countless hours making sure the information is correct.
Rest assured that all guides are correct and accurate, if they weren't they would only be devs on here and no users.
Where are the cakes?
I'm not sure how use words like 'incomplete' or 'incorrect' when I have used neither to describe the developers guides.
For the third time, I said miss understanding and miss information on behalf of the users who are attempting the guides. Not at all did I say or imply that the developers guides are useless. Now, I fully understand the point you're making about this being annoying, I just failed to understand how annoying this actually is on a large scale. I'm new to forums like this and it's obvious now that repetitive posts become annoying after many people have already discuss them, to which I apologise for.
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I was going through the threads and what really bugs me is the virgin mobile desire development is mixed up with the Europe version. I know the phones are identical but we have a different Hboot and Software. We should separate the two versions in two different threads making it easier for users to follow the development phase.
Would make a lot of sense, however I feel like there's not enough development on this device to even bother with the separation. Plus I feel like in the future, developers who might want to make stuff for the 816 would go for the other (dual sim) versions, so the VM one would either get way less development, or all its development a lot later, when our favorite devs were asked to port it to the VM version.
I agree with this as well. Merging the types has caused irreversible bricks for people who aren't savvy in these things especially if they haven't backed up their original software via Nandroid. Now you may think just download an RUU but those are not available for the Virgin Mobile model and finding and using someone else's nandroid isn't a simple drag and drop process including the fact that they can't boot the system. They would indeed have to use for example Cyanogenmod but then people aren't even sure if its possible to restore an original backup from Cyanogen.
On top of that there is a custom kernel but no one has uploaded an original for those who want to go back to stock for squaretrade insurance purposes maybe? I would possibly hear, this sounds like a "you" problem but regardless of the device they were produced and people do use them and some people do like to mod them to the fullest extent to call it "theirs". You might say just learn but it isn't that simple for everyone. What takes an expert a few minutes/hours to arrange may take a new person months or years and with risk that they cannot restore the device in the case of a bad flash. Just saying to consider everyone not just the general population. Minorities in society deserve a chance no?
Me? Saying; I am one of these people but I can understand the difficulty when navigating through something and when their using purely codenames such as a5_dug it makes it no simpler.
One reason for this phone.
Its available in payments on the shopping websites. 199 and 6 months to pay it off with no credit check? Yes please.
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FoxyDrew said:
Would make a lot of sense, however I feel like there's not enough development on this device to even bother with the separation. Plus I feel like in the future, developers who might want to make stuff for the 816 would go for the other (dual sim) versions, so the VM one would either get way less development, or all its development a lot later, when our favorite devs were asked to port it to the VM version.
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My thoughts exactly :good:
kr338r said:
My thoughts exactly :good:
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From March 2014 to now. Rarely spoken of out of 100's of Androids. Because of the price now development is increasing. Your really telling me separating the two forums would cost you enough time to not do it? There are phones that have no development on here and are completely sectioned out amazingly.
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From March 2014 to now. Rarely spoken of out of 100's of Androids. Because of the price now development is increasing. Your really telling me separating the two forums would cost you enough time to not do it? There are phones that have no development on here and are completely sectioned out amazingly.
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Funny!!!
Talk @ confusion, I saw this in the CM11 thread?
"One question; how the F*** for the life of day and night do you restore this device back to stock without an official RUU for Virgin Mobile? "
Just messin w/ ya, splitting development would not be a good idea IMHO, more of these phones were sold for months outside of US.
VM owners are probably a small minority, so most devs probably wouldn't be bothered with our ROM, give it time, if there's market penetration, we could think @ a split from WW dev.
(as it is, there isn't much going on in dev right now anyway, I'm thankful for the CM11 port we have from Grarak & v_superuser)
Truth be told, things would be easier for us if there was a separate sub forum but it wouldn't favor us as far as development goes.
To the best of my knowledge there are a handful of devs who work with VM phones. I'm not exactly sure if any of them have jumped on the 816.
Until that happens I think it's in our best interest to hang out and wait. Right now we're dependent on those that have had the phone for about 6 months longer than we have..
v_superuser and Garak have posted their CM11 in a cl;ear enough way that DLing and running that rom should be pretty straightforward. If any future roms are posted in the same way there should be no confusion.
That being said, I can see a VM specific subforum being helpful for people who may be starting out and aren't sure about general stuff relating to VM bloatware etc.
kr338r said:
Funny!!!
Talk @ confusion, I saw this in the CM11 thread?
"One question; how the F*** for the life of day and night do you restore this device back to stock without an official RUU for Virgin Mobile? "
Just messin w/ ya, splitting development would not be a good idea IMHO, more of these phones were sold for months outside of US.
VM owners are probably a small minority, so most devs probably wouldn't be bothered with our ROM, give it time, if there's market penetration, we could think @ a split from WW dev.
(as it is, there isn't much going on in dev right now anyway, I'm thankful for the CM11 port we have from Grarak & v_superuser)
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Lol . I bricked this phone 4 times going back and forth; from the Stock ROM, to the Chinese sort of stock ROM, to Cyanogen. Done erased my /sdcard to where it wasn't mountable and brought it back with Cyanogen and sideload. (Luckily, the bootloader wasn't affected by the amount of **** I threw at it.) Tested 3 different recoveries only to find out the old version from the CM11 post was the only one that really worked the properly.
I was able to start it back up and continue to put the backup onto the internal storage since I didn't have an external SD on hand; BUT then I found out that the backup was 1.96 GBs and needed to be in the /data/media/clockworkmod/backup section of the device which was inaccessible via normal USB methods since your stuck in /data/media/0 and is considered basically a completely different partition. This phone has 8GB internal and uses 4.xxGB with its normal software when installed (yes even with Cyan) then I just put a 1.96 GB file so it was basically stopping me from copying the whole folder which was just ever so slightly annoying since I had to use ES file explorer, make a new folder with the same name, then; one by one Cut and Paste each file into the new folder in the /backup folder. This might seem like a simple process but with absolutely no guides out there for a guideline this really sucked. It's basically like; if you have this device then you know how to flash/root/etc as the norm. Trial and error. -_-
Then after looking around and seeing that VM had 55$ for their plan. I saw that Straight Talk was able to accept the MEID of this VM device without a hitch, but then I looked into different carriers for even better alternatives and saw that Ringplus had $17.99 for Unlimited Talk/Text/400MB 3G/4GLTE. I thought **** why not? Turns out Ringplus doesn't accept VM devices. (Sucks)
SO then I decided to "spoof" the IMEI/MEID/ESN with DFS/QPST (Experience) and I was able to get the MEID/ESN to change and get EvDo Rev.A service but to no avail with LTE since the IMEI is "unspoofable" without S-Off. I thought well why not $17.99 for unlimited T&T w/data? Signed up with my new "S3". lmfao
Purpose of this post?
There was at least 3-10 topics I could cover for VM Desire devices now.
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Maybe this is a dumb question but if the VM version isn't capable of dual numbers or being ported or used anywhere else why does VM advertise this as dual sim on their site as part of the device name? What would be the point of the false advertising.
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Maybe this is a dumb question but if the VM version isn't capable of dual numbers or being ported or used anywhere else why does VM advertise this as dual sim on their site as part of the device name? What would be the point of the false advertising.
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I just checked out the VMUSA site and couldn't find anything about dual sim. I did however see "Dual Mode" used for the phone. Dual mode is just a term to say that the phone uses both CDMA and GSM. CDMA for 3G and GSM for LTE.
An answer could be to have a thread under "Desire 816 General" called "Virgin Mobile Issues" or something similar. I'm guessing there could be enough traffic to keep it on the first page for a while. For example I'm still curious exactly how the -chl is best classified. Is this hybrid best thought of as a single or dual sim? Will getting s-off allow the phone (with some rom work) to be used by another carrier? Having all these VM specific questions and answers in one place would be a plus and it shouldn't interfere with the Q&A being done on the true dev work here in other threads.