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Hello,
Well i have finally gone and joined the elite ranks of owning a phone with the Windows Mobile OS.
Usually been a blackberry user who went to the HTC Magic and has just given up on the Google Android OS (is that a dirty word around here?).
So i purchased the HTC Touch Pro2 based on a recomendation from a very jealous workmate. Am still waiting for delivery but have a few queries he thought i should ask on here to get a good varied level of responses.
1. HTC Touch Pro2 - Good phone?
2. Vodafone ROM - I believe the ROM vodafone use (UK) screws the phone up a bit. So those who use Vodafone and still have their ROM installed... what do you think of it?
3. ROM - Any recomendations on the best ROM? I understand their are many out there and all do various things but just trying to get a view of what people prefer.
4. SPB Shell - a must have?
Thats really it i guess... just trying to get a feel of the OS and issues before i start tinkering.
Thanks!
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1. Yes!! one of the best actually!
2. Before flashing, be shure to learn how and to identify if your Rhodium is CDMA or GSM
3. There is no such thing as the best ROM, what is best for me could not be for you. Try the more you can till you get your best.
Check ROM section and see the threads with more reads/posts this way you´ll have an idea what members prefer more
4. I do not like spb, I´m quite happy with Manila/Sense 2.1, no need to install another external heavy app
Read, Search, Respect and Enjoy!
HI all ..i just ordered tp2 from ebay since its yet not launched here in india.actually there was one sprint phone and one unlocked ohone listed there ..sicne i wanted 3.5 mm jack and the fact is i quite did not like the silver key board on the unlocked phone, i opted for sprint...
my question is how do i upgrade it to win mo 6.5..the seller says
"If you want I can send you the 6.5win mob file along with the stock (original ROM) and the procedure to upgrade and if not happy then downgrade to original rom."
but i read on web that sprint has not yet relaesed 6.5 rom pls advise.
also how is the video and audioi playback of the device since i prefered it over samsung omnia i 8000 which has a oled screen..actually i was tired of holding devices to my nose to watch videos and wanted a device which i can put on table and watch vdo music etc..
Your sprint Rhodium is CDMA, so this is the section where you can find a 6.5 ROM:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=517
Never try to install a GSM ROM
PaulCook1979 said:
Hello,
Well i have finally gone and joined the elite ranks of owning a phone with the Windows Mobile OS.
Usually been a blackberry user who went to the HTC Magic and has just given up on the Google Android OS (is that a dirty word around here?).
So i purchased the HTC Touch Pro2 based on a recomendation from a very jealous workmate. Am still waiting for delivery but have a few queries he thought i should ask on here to get a good varied level of responses.
1. HTC Touch Pro2 - Good phone?
2. Vodafone ROM - I believe the ROM vodafone use (UK) screws the phone up a bit. So those who use Vodafone and still have their ROM installed... what do you think of it?
3. ROM - Any recomendations on the best ROM? I understand their are many out there and all do various things but just trying to get a view of what people prefer.
4. SPB Shell - a must have?
Thats really it i guess... just trying to get a feel of the OS and issues before i start tinkering.
Thanks!
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Welcome Paul Good to see somebody thinking ahead about things like this!
1) I think a lot of people here will agree that the TP2 is the pinnacle of a "fully-capable" smartphone...it's definitely the best of the QWERTY-enabled hardware available today, and will probably remain so until/unless they eventually release a HD2 or equivalent with a hardware keyboard (...heaven willing!)
2) I've never used the Vodaphone ROM, but most carrier-specific ROMs are lacking in some way, and a large number of the ROM's available here will work regardless of which carrier you have...as long as you use one for the correct NETWORK type (which I believe is CDMA for Voda). Often the aftermarket ("cooked") ROMs developed here are based on carrier-issued ROM, then "improved" in any number of ways.
3) As orb3000 said above, there's no real way to subjectively recommend a "best" ROM...each has it's own pros and cons that have to be weighed against the needs/preferences of the user. The best place to start on that is to read THIS and THIS thread on flashing ROMs, then read over the threads related to each ROM that's been cooked/released here. Again, just make sure you're looking at ones that are for CDMA networks.
4) SBP Shell is definitely a great program, and can do a lot for the UI...but like most here I happen to believe that you can get more bang for your buck with the custom ROMs available here. Again, it's best to just try some out (including running a trial of SPB), and see what fits you best
THIS thread will help clear up the differences between windows mobile versions 6.5 and 6.5.3, which you'll see a lot of here.
So, you've got a lot of reading to do between now and when your new TP2 arrives! Once you get through all that, the next thing to learn is how to install/apply the fixes and tweaks available on XDA...usually that's done through ".cab files" (when you're lucky), sometimes through executable files, and sometimes through good old-fashioned registry edits by hand. I get the feeling you'll be learning about all that stuff quickly enough
2 last pieces of advice...first, make friends with the search function here in the forums...its often more efficient than just posting a question, and will save you from the backlash that can happen when someone asks a question with answers that are readily available around here. Lastly, even though the ROMs and other tweaks here are produced out of a labor of love, most any and all developers will accept donations (however small) to help offset personal expenses related to the time and effort they put into the wonderful gifts they drop on us regularly here. Donations are always voluntary, but once you find a ROM or other bits that work well for you, it's always good form to express your appreciation via some kind of token like that.
Good luck! Your friend has no idea what jealousy is about until he sees the look on your face when you start playing with your new toy!!
orb3000 said:
Your sprint Rhodium is CDMA, so this is the section where you can find a 6.5 ROM:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=517
Never try to install a GSM ROM
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Hi shingler...we dont hv sprint network in india..morevr the ad said that it is a gsm unlockd phone and seler can send nstruction if need to unlock cdma...wht is it actually..gsm or cdma...confusing..i hv vodaphone gsm ..will it work
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Hi shingler...we dont hv sprint network in india..morevr the ad said that it is a gsm unlockd phone and seler can send nstruction if need to unlock cdma...wht is it actually..gsm or cdma...confusing..i hv vodaphone gsm ..will it work
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If you bought a Sprint-branded phone, then it's CDMA, and there's no changing that. You can't "unlock" a phone to switch between GSM and CDMA...so if your network is GSM, this phone is no good to you as a...phone
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If you bought a Sprint-branded phone, then it's CDMA, and there's no changing that. You can't "unlock" a phone to switch between GSM and CDMA...so if your network is GSM, this phone is no good to you as a...phone
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Actually, that's not true. See, the funny thing about the Rhodium is that there are no exclusively CDMA versions. Instead, there are the RHOD400 and RHOD500 models, which are GSM/CDMA hybrids. People refer to them as CDMA devices because of the fact they operate on CDMA networks by default, but they have full GSM capability, and can use regular GSM SIM cards.
dheerpat: The device you have bought works on GSM, but it will be referred to as a CDMA device on this forum, and you should use CDMA ROMs on it, despite the fact it also works on GSM. You should be able to use a Vodaphone SIM with it as long as you put the device in GSM mode, and if the SIM doesn't work, you can unlock the device so it will work.
phew!!!!! missed a beat there..paid 500 bucks for it afterall
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Actually, that's not true. See, the funny thing about the Rhodium is that there are no exclusively CDMA versions. Instead, there are the RHOD400 and RHOD500 models, which are GSM/CDMA hybrids. People refer to them as CDMA devices because of the fact they operate on CDMA networks by default, but they have full GSM capability, and can use regular GSM SIM cards.
dheerpat: The device you have bought works on GSM, but it will be referred to as a CDMA device on this forum, and you should use CDMA ROMs on it, despite the fact it also works on GSM. You should be able to use a Vodaphone SIM with it as long as you put the device in GSM mode, and if the SIM doesn't work, you can unlock the device so it will work.
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So there ARE dual-network Rhodiums! I've had this argument before, and was always told that it just wasn't true. Well I'm glad to know that I was right....back then anyway
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Welcome Paul
Good luck! Your friend has no idea what jealousy is about until he sees the look on your face when you start playing with your new toy!!
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Hi, thanks for the response - and thanks to everyone else who has responded (aprt from those who hijacked my post lol).
I wont be using CDMA as i believe this is mainly for the US not the UK? So my geeky mate tells me, we only use GSM in England? Is he wrong and we don in fact use CDMA?
He also looked very shocked when i repeated that a lot of people dont go for the SPB Shell... he said its awesome and im stupid if i dont get it... yeah well i got a HTC Touch Pro2 and you dont pal... lol
I will look at the ROM's (already started) and will 'play' with a few that look interesting. I presume the SPB shell will work with any ROM and not wipe out any functionality? If i go for the SPB Shell...
Quite comfortable with the use of .cab files.... may not be so sure with registry tweaks but ill learn...
PaulCook1979 said:
Hi, thanks for the response - and thanks to everyone else who has responded (aprt from those who hijacked my post lol).
I wont be using CDMA as i believe this is mainly for the US not the UK? So my geeky mate tells me, we only use GSM in England? Is he wrong and we don in fact use CDMA?
He also looked very shocked when i repeated that a lot of people dont go for the SPB Shell... he said its awesome and im stupid if i dont get it... yeah well i got a HTC Touch Pro2 and you dont pal... lol
I will look at the ROM's (already started) and will 'play' with a few that look interesting. I presume the SPB shell will work with any ROM and not wipe out any functionality? If i go for the SPB Shell...
Quite comfortable with the use of .cab files.... may not be so sure with registry tweaks but ill learn...
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Yeah, SPB Shell used to be the best option for customizing the interface on winmo devices, but that was before HTC introduced, and have since refined, the TouchFLO3D interface. There's also a ton more user-generated tweaks and such that have sprung up since then (as you clearly see now).
I don't know about the GSM vs CDMA carriers in the UK or Europe, I'd always understood that GSM was dominant, but there were CDMA carriers there too...but I really have no idea for sure.
Well finally got my phone... its GSM....
Got the SPB shell - liking it.
Only issue i have is not being able to send MMS but trying to sort out.
So far so good - will play more once more confident - not bricking my phone for anyone lol
I would suggest that the Desire forum be combined with the Nexus One and called Bravo. They are the same device with a couple small variations. Other devices (Universal comes to mind) had hardware variants but were not broken out into 2 sub forums.
-Mc
It's a different phone though, it has Sense UI and more Ram.
It's like the G1 and HTC Magic being the same apart from the Magic having no keyboard... they still have different forums.
Sense UI is a software front end (and ALL variants have different software). And the Universal also has different versions, some with double the RAM of others. It is the same device, same platform, same hardware. Since you can install the Nexus One ROM on the Desire with NO porting, it's the same device. They also have identical hardware specs with the exception of a little more RAM to accommodate Sense and the optical joystick.
The Magic and G1 were completely different in the sense that one had a keyboard and one did not. If the Desire had a physical keyboard, I'd agree with you.
This will do nothing but segment development and resources.
But it is different hardware, considering the 64mb more ram and the missing second mic and the hard buttons instead of soft touch buttons and the optical mouse.
And the porting, i think there was some kind of changes, or why else is there already alpha version 7 when not cause of the bugs?
Is this enough different hardware to give it its own forum?
Also i´m quite sure, that rooting might be kind of harder than on the nexus, or does anybody know something about it yet?
so should the developer versions of Google phones get their own forum? HTC has slightly changed devices throughout it's history but we've never given them their own subforum.
e.g.
The HTC Kaiser has a front facing camera. AT&T's does not. Did the Tilt get it's own forum?
The original Universal had 64MB of RAM. The updated T-Mobile version has 128. Did it get it's own forum?
The HTC 620, 621, and 622 had differences, one didn't have WiFi, the others did.
The HTC Wizard is different enough between some versions that if you flash a ROM from one on to the other, it will kill it.
Some devices have Sense, some do not. Should they get their own forums? And what happens if the ones that didn't suddenly get SenseUI in an update. Do they lose their own forums?
Look, I don't own XDA and those that do can certainly do what they want. But I've gone through the FCC documents and looked at the ROMimages between the two. They are the same device with differences exactly like the examples I used above (and there are many more). Segmenting the two only hampers development efforts.
-Mc
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The HTC 620, 621, and 622 had differences, one didn't have WiFi, the others did.
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Not only that, but the S640. Telus only device, different chasis then those, CDMA, but some people were saying it should be lumped in with the other 6XX line.
I don't know about you but the HTC Sapphire Forums is littered between 32A and 32B ROMs.
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I don't know about you but the HTC Sapphire Forums is littered between 32A and 32B ROMs.
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Agreed... N1/Desire should be kept seperate!
Especially since they probaly do not share hboots and radios... So keeping the forums seperate minimizes risks of people flashing wrong stuff (as was seen on 32A/B quite often)
Epedemic said:
Agreed... N1/Desire should be kept seperate!
Especially since they probaly do not share hboots and radios... So keeping the forums seperate minimizes risks of people flashing wrong stuff (as was seen on 32A/B quite often)
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They DO share hboots and radios. They are the same phone. That's my point. Next, we'll start new sub forums for different case colors or carriers or logos or...
If they share radio/hboot they can flash the same ROMs without porting? If that is so, they should have the same section in my opinion.
The partition layouts are different on the devices. So no...you cant just take a rom from one and have it work straight away.
People have managed to get Desire Roms running on the n1, but they had to move system data to the data partition to do so.
The Desire is also unlikley to be rootable via unlocking the bootloader. If we put both devices in one section it would just confuse the nooblets.
SGTDavePwnage said:
If we put both devices in one section it would just confuse the nooblets.
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Man if we used THAT as a compass around here, we'd be better off closing the site entirely. You can confuse them no matter what you do. Again, look at the Universal threads. Different RAM sizes but both versions lived happily ever after in the same forum. This site was NEVER intended for newbs. It shouldn't. If it did, most of us would leave.
How much do you guys wanna bet that many ROM's will be made in Nexus1 and Desire flavors. How many LITE ROMS have you seen on XDA? A lite ROM will work on either device without ANY porting or special mods. Why not have them in the same thread/forum?
I think if their roms are cross compatible, why not have the development sections mergered? They could have separate sections but once some1 clicks on development for N1 or Desire they are lead to the same page.
yes this could be the best as i see it. there are differences, radio buttons etc,,, there might be other differences for general question etc. but if the two of them have the same structure for roms then maedhros suggested the best, why not having them into one development section!
if any1 can proove for me that they share the exact same spl, radio and partition layout then im on it! as it could be the last extra rams that have been used for the /system partition else i think it is like mixing up da hero and sapphire as they are close, but biggest difference is software based
I agree that If the 2 are proved to be identical in development terms upon the desires release, then the forums could be merged, with perhaps a couple of stickies at the top explaining what you need to do to root the phone before you can use the roms. However this should not be done until this proven conclusively on a released phone.
IF roms that can be used on both devices using the same unlocking techniques become a reality, i will take this suggestion up with administration.
(But that won't be soon)
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Man if we used THAT as a compass around here, we'd be better off closing the site entirely. You can confuse them no matter what you do. Again, look at the Universal threads. Different RAM sizes but both versions lived happily ever after in the same forum. This site was NEVER intended for newbs. It shouldn't. If it did, most of us would leave.
How much do you guys wanna bet that many ROM's will be made in Nexus1 and Desire flavors. How many LITE ROMS have you seen on XDA? A lite ROM will work on either device without ANY porting or special mods. Why not have them in the same thread/forum?
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This is an absolute appalling comment. Condescending and unhelpful. Everyone has to start at some point and a vast silent majority of people visit the site to learn and root... Unless one can prove that you cannot harm one of the devices by using a ROM for the other, the threads should be separated, even if it cost a few duplicates...
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This is an absolute appalling comment. Condescending and unhelpful. Everyone has to start at some point and a vast silent majority of people visit the site to learn and root... Unless one can prove that you cannot harm one of the devices by using a ROM for the other, the threads should be separated, even if it cost a few duplicates...
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You either took it wrong or are being a troll. XDA is a developers and hackers forum. We are all newbs at some point but this forum isn't designed for the newb. It's designed for the hacker/developer. I'm not ripping on newbs for being newbs. Hell, I'm a newb again as I just got my AT&T Nexus One yesterday - my first Android phone. But I'm reading and searching and won't have a reason to ask a question for quite some time. All of the information is already here on XDA. Newbs are welcome but we expect them to SEARCH and READ before asking a lot of questions. Some do, some don't. But if we dumbed down the forum, it would ruin it. There'd be so much crap to wade through and so many duplicate threads it'd be too time consuming to do so. THAT was my point.
Maybe we should have separate Desire forums for the silver version and a separate forum for the charcoal version. That should help, right? Because newbs who don't read are going to ask over and over if the ROM being discussed will work on their particular color of Desire. And that won't make anything confusing, right? Some ROMS posted in one forum and some posted in the other (just like the Desire vs. Nexus One). People will continually ask if the ROM will work on their device because it was in a different forum.
And FYI, you can harm the device just as easy using the correct ROM on the same device, or by running a simple command, or... If they read everything before they start, they will have no problems. If they don't read, well, we can't hold their hands.
This forum is catered to experienced hackers. We will help newbs through every part of every process, but this is still a forum for experienced hackers. If you don't like that, find a place that spoon feeds or does things for you. And if this place ever turns into a forum that spoon feeds and everyone asks to do things for them, most of us will surely leave. Then who will help them?
the question is why not?
Why is it important to you to keep them in one section? are you thinking about server space utilizing ?
I mean what is the harm of making them in separate sections (what is the harm to you)?
There seems to be a lot of confusion going on between the gsm and cdma versions of the Wildfire S, and people are causing big problems for themselves by not reading(or cant read), plus its also a headache for other users trying to pick thru useless information to get what they need. Maybe a little to late, but is there anyway to split this forum up?
Good idea, was thinking of the same thing to do.
The forum can be split, I've done it on PHPBB3, I don't know whether it works on VBulletin (Isn't that what this forum uses? Correct me if i'm wrong.)
Thirded, would help stop stupid people (like myself) from bricking their phones by flashing the wrong ROM ;_;
I agree, this should be done. I too bricked my first wildfire s after trying to use the "stock roms" listed in the stickied thread at the top of this forum. Stuff in that post is kinda mixed, or mislabeled, or even unlabeled. I don't recall seeing anything about GSM only roms on the few I looked at, but there is a chance I did over look it.
but yes, Wildfire S CDMA thread split!!!!
Idea is gold. Already quasi-bricked one phone
Good idea, will save a lot of hassle and money, in some cases.
sounds like a plan!!!
This is a good idea, even more so bc it appears that a lot of people have jumped on the holiday deals for the Virgin mobile WFS. Please split this thread!
GotsOJ said:
This is a good idea, even more so bc it appears that a lot of people have jumped on the holiday deals for the Virgin mobile WFS. Please split this thread!
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I'm one of those folks but at least I already own an Android tablet so rooting, etc. wasn't a new concept. But since I already lost 5 bucks (not very much I know) purchasing a case for the "other" Wildfire S instead of the Virgin Mobile one I think it's a great idea.
Related question: I searched but perhaps didn't use the correct magic combination of search terms. Is there a thread somewhere that explains the differences between the different versions of the phone? Things like size, location of ports that sort of thing so my case problem will never happen again?
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bsoplinger said:
I'm one of those folks but at least I already own an Android tablet so rooting, etc. wasn't a new concept. But since I already lost 5 bucks (not very much I know) purchasing a case for the "other" Wildfire S instead of the Virgin Mobile one I think it's a great idea.
Related question: I searched but perhaps didn't use the correct magic combination of search terms. Is there a thread somewhere that explains the differences between the different versions of the phone? Things like size, location of ports that sort of thing so my case problem will never happen again?
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The virgin mobile one is called A510c which is a CDMA phone. As you know, CDMA phones don't have a sim card slot. I'm not quite sure about the A510a version. A510b has a slower processor as compared to the A510e which has a 600MHz processor.
Hope this helped!
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I agree with this tread.
In Favor
I would concur. Much like Hero and Hero CDMA or other variants. I tried to port the Euro version over to the CDMA side last night. No working touchscreen; which, sucks when it boots up to a lockscreen Anyway, the devices are quite different.
Rob
Like many users here, I am disappointed by the pace of development. I understand that the T-mobile version is the only one that has a unlocked bootloader and that limits the interest on development as many potential devs have other variants. Many users here (myself included) are not knowledgeable enough to develop anything ourselves. The less enlightened (to put it nicely) non-developers complain like crazy while others sit quietly for a paragon developer to come along. There are a few developers who are doing great work bringing CM11 and DeviantXone to our phones. Either way most of us non-developers really don't have any opportunity to make a difference... until now.
There is a petition that is taking off at change.org. It has already received a response from LG and with more signatures, could lead to a change. The petition is asking for LG to unlock the bootloader of the phone. This should increase the number of developers by a substantial amount. Developing for the LG G3 is much better than developing for just the D851.
Please join Sebastian Jena's campaign: Click here to sign the petition!
Lol wow. I feel for you man. That just killed the devs off for good.
BAD ASS G3
BACARDILIMON said:
Lol wow. I feel for you man. That just killed the devs off for good.
BAD ASS G3
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how? its asking to get the bootloaded unlocked.
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how? its asking to get the bootloaded unlocked.
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That does not sound like that at all if it what he meant needs to reword big time. It read to me that we have no Dev in this section. We have a small amount but we have. Maybe I read it or took it wrong.
BAD ASS G3
I wouldn't call what going on right now a lack of development. We have both stock based and cyanogenmod based Roms. When the cyanogenmod Roms that are out now become stable we will see a lot of ports for our phone. Its not that big of a deal but the petition is a great idea for the rest of the world. Just so you are aware most g3 versions can have stock based Roms but there seems to only be one actively developed ROM at a time over in the generic g3 section because the rest of the world has the same problem us T-Mobile folks do (lack of people willing to step up and learn how to do this stuff). I give it another month at most until we see stable cyanogenmod.
Goes back to 1% who modify their phones vs. Corporate clients who insist on security.... Who do you think cell providers and manufacturers are going to listen too....?
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That does not sound like that at all if it what he meant needs to reword big time. It read to me that we have no Dev in this section. We have a small amount but we have. Maybe I read it or took it wrong.
BAD ASS G3
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You were right, it needed to be reworded. I hope the updated post is better.
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Goes back to 1% who modify their phones vs. Corporate clients who insist on security.... Who do you think cell providers and manufacturers are going to listen too....?
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This is a valid point but I am not sure that many corporate clients support android devices nevermind the LG G3. Everywhere I have worked has been iphone and blackberry but the sample size is only 3 so I could be way off about this. Also they usually listen to the loudest of us. Even if we are outnumbered 10 to 1, we still stand a chance as long as we make more noise in support of this than they do in support of the status-quo. Even if you are right though, it doesn't take long to sign up and it is probably the biggest difference I and other non-developers can make so why not try at least?
I'd be fine with signing it, but then I'll get loads of emails from them, which I don't want.
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Just mark it as spam. I signed. I'd say reword to: "sign this petition to get ALL g3 bootloaders unlocked and help development!" And leave it at that.
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You were right, it needed to be reworded. I hope the updated post is better.
This is a valid point but I am not sure that many corporate clients support android devices nevermind the LG G3. Everywhere I have worked has been iphone and blackberry but the sample size is only 3 so I could be way off about this. Also they usually listen to the loudest of us. Even if we are outnumbered 10 to 1, we still stand a chance as long as we make more noise in support of this than they do in support of the status-quo. Even if you are right though, it doesn't take long to sign up and it is probably the biggest difference I and other non-developers can make so why not try at least?
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For the record.... How many bootloaders been unlocked by a cell provider after initial release... And modding community is probably outnumbered by 100 to 1 or more likely more..and loud noise doesn't over come revenue stream... Be glad some providers release a dev phone for purchase.
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Lol
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You still may want to edit.your post. You spend far too long complaining about the lack of developing and how no one is deloping and.far less on why the phone should be unlike. Wasn't until the ending that I was like...oh he's not making a petition because no one is developing but to unlock the boot loader....
I also noticed the lack of development behind the G3.
Its a great phone, but if you want a phone with development youll have to get a HTC or Samsung or Nexus.
Even the Samsung devices with locked bootloaders get more development lol.
Sold mine on Craigslist and I hve a Note 4 on preorder awaiting shipment.
There use to be a time where if you were dissapointed in the amount of development being done on a phone you learned how dev. Thats what was great about android. It is an open source system made for you to make it youelr own. Yes times have changed and and not everything is completely open (nothing was ever completely open), but i know there are still ways to learn. Yes you might think your too busy to learn but if you really want more development for this device you will find the time to learn and truly make your device yours.
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I also noticed the lack of development behind the G3.
Its a great phone, but if you want a phone with development youll have to get a HTC or Samsung or Nexus.
Even the Samsung devices with locked bootloaders get more development lol.
Sold mine on Craigslist and I hve a Note 4 on preorder awaiting shipment.
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There is development going on for the g3. Just the tmobile variant. Once the boot loader gets unlocked, it'll probably be easy to port them to the other variants. And it's not LG's fault that only tmobile's boot loader is unlocked. It's the cell provider's that wanted that. If everyone just gives up and moves to different phones, the devs will see no need to try and unlock the other bootloaders.
I signed it , hopefully they unlock it
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I started with iPhone many moons ago, then transitioned to Android / Samsung back around the S3 days. Been with Sammy ever since, but they are starting to get like Apple in that they are VERY unfriendly to the mod community and they go to great lengths to stop it. They are also killing their phones with Bloatware.
I am toying with going to either the M8 or M9 with my next upgrade (coming from Galaxy S5). Does HTC tend to have a major security war with their users or are they a little more lax? Does rooting void their warranty like it does with Sammy?
Thanks in advance.
~Vol
Vol4Ever said:
I started with iPhone many moons ago, then transitioned to Android / Samsung back around the S3 days. Been with Sammy ever since, but they are starting to get like Apple in that they are VERY unfriendly to the mod community and they go to great lengths to stop it. They are also killing their phones with Bloatware.
I am toying with going to either the M8 or M9 with my next upgrade (coming from Galaxy S5). Does HTC tend to have a major security war with their users or are they a little more lax? Does rooting void their warranty like it does with Sammy?
Thanks in advance.
~Vol
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Get the HTC M9. The M8 is really good, but the M9 fixes just about all of the M8 shortcomings. For unlocking and rooting, HTC is really simple and HTC facilitates the process. You just create an account on htcdev.com and submit a request for an unlock token. A few minutes later HTC sends you an email with the unlock token. Once you have that, you connect your phone to your computer and unlock but using fastboot commands. Once unlocked, you can install a custom recovery, again using fastboot commands, then just enter custom recovery (TWRP), go to the twrp reboot menu and select reboot, then twrp will say hey, you're not rooted, do you want to flash SuperSU and you swipe to flash it. Phone will boot into OS, you open the SuperSU apk and follow some screen prompts and one more reboot and your good to go.
That's it.
Supposedly, simply unlocking no longer voids your warranty, but if it appears that the phone broke because of running a custom rom (like, it overheated and the insides melted), they likely will not void the warranty.
Another reason you should get the M9...in the states, we get uh oh protection. So...you can do anything to your phone...drop it in the toilet, run over it with the car, whatever, and they will replace it, for free, for 1 year (including free overnight shipping of the new phone to you, then you send the broken one back)...so, you really don't need to put this beautiful phone in a case until either the year is up, or you get your second one. Also, if you don't use the uh oh protection, HTC gives you $100 off your next HTC phone. It's a pretty sweet deal.
I agree with the above post. My m9 has been awesome! I recently came from an s3 that had a locked bootloader thanks to Verizon and so I got the dev edition. So far I have flash at least 4 different firmwares and have tried almost every rom that's available. It's extremely easy to do once you get s-off. It will be a little bit of a learning curve so make sure to read the instructions carefully and read down the threads in order to anticipate anything that may go wrong.
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Vol4Ever said:
I started with iPhone many moons ago, then transitioned to Android / Samsung back around the S3 days. Been with Sammy ever since, but they are starting to get like Apple in that they are VERY unfriendly to the mod community and they go to great lengths to stop it. They are also killing their phones with Bloatware.
I am toying with going to either the M8 or M9 with my next upgrade (coming from Galaxy S5). Does HTC tend to have a major security war with their users or are they a little more lax? Does rooting void their warranty like it does with Sammy?
Thanks in advance.
~Vol
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If you come from flashing Sammy roms like I did, then I suggest you think really carefully before buying the M9. I dont hate my M9 as much as when I first bought it, but in hindsight I perhaps should have stuck with sammy. Flashing custom roms and updating firmware on Sammy is easy compared with htc M9 , and the M9 threads are alot more 'quiet' then Sammy S4 , S5 or note4 threads . Also you will find ALOT of conflicting/confusing instructions for M9, especially if you come from Sammy roms.
Here are some other posts worth reading before you decide buy M9 : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=60244822
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=60245457
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=61298935
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=60238311
With htc you have worry about S-on S-off then CID and supercid, then lock bootloader to run RUU or unlock to run 0PAIMG.zip files (which they call RUUs but they are different to RUU.exe files of course, but still called RUUs), must use smaller than 32Gb FAT32 sd card to update your firmware using sd card method, use htc_fastboot or fastboot etc etc. So confusing if you are from Sammy.
Then if someone, not new to flashing, asks a question and they get "search its been answered many times!' When actually the instructions can sometimes be slightly different from one thread to another , and some threads , not all, simply do not explain clearly why you need to do this or that, and/or give conflicting or incomplete instructions. You will have much less headache with Sammy devices. Also M9 u need to go back to stock to get an OTAs (if you are S-on). So all I am saying is read the M9 threads first, and get a feel if you want to take the dive. But if you want a challenge after (easy) customizing, Sammy roms, then M9 is definitely a good choice. Also there is NO cyanogen for M9 at the moment. But seems there some gr8 roms like Viper, Maximus, Insertcoin and Android Revolution..(.but you gotta make sure your M9s firmware MATCHES the roms firmware before even thinking about flashing them.) Just my two cents worth.
It is not really that hard when you know what you are doing. It is gonna be different with each device. You are just accustomed to doing it a certain way. It is always best to follow the golden rule here in XDA. Search first, read read read, and then ask questions. You also have to remember the M9 is a 64 bit phone, so there will be new challenges.
fernandezhjr said:
It is not really that hard when you know what you are doing. It is gonna be different with each device. You are just accustomed to doing it a certain way. It is always best to follow the golden rule here in XDA. Search first, read read read, and then ask questions. You also have to remember the M9 is a 64 bit phone, so there will be new challenges.
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sure. of course its not rocket science. Ya Everyone knows "Search first, read read read, and then ask questions" but the problem is conflicting info. and Just that the Sammy threads' instructions IMO generally were ALOT clearer and less conflicting and confusing info. and its not just me, I noticed alot of other users had noted same experience in the HTC M9 threads. Its no wonder people keep asking same questions still. IMO If the OP's of alot of the threads were "clearer" and more" complete" in their first instructions, I am sure we would have alot less people in confusion asking things like "help me/ hold my hand to restore to stock/I followed instructions but got error still why". And the biggest problem is the fact that the M9 was a disaster for htc. so as a result, the M9 threads are much more quiet, fewer users, and less active than Sammy threads. My only hope is with the second-hand market forming in the next 6 months, that the M9 threads will pick up, hence more custom roms and updates, when people buy it , when its cheaper.
Samsung is a much bigger and more known company. It's phone sales are huge compared to HTC and that will relate to much more active forums. I understand what you are saying, but like I said every device will be different. When I had my Nexus 4, rooting and flashing roms was a piece.of cake. I would just be careful about over complaining. Nobody here is obligated to help anyone. Be nice and someone will eventually come along with the needed help.
Ive recently done the same. been with sammy for about 4 years, now ive picked the HTC... why? Theyre much more in touch with their users demands. Sure the processes for unlocking / rooting / s-off are a lot different and require you to do some work, but once you get to grips with it it's easy enough and makes you feel more in touch with those sort of processes on your phone.
Also to address the issue mentioned above, the sammy s4 etc have been out a lot longer than the m9 which has only been out a few months so of course it will be quiter in here to start with. *fingers crossed* some more devs will pop up and fill our lives with joy.
The only thing i'm worried about with my recent upgrade to htc m9(literally a few days ago) is that within the year it is going to be outdated by a new device but such is life when you buy in to a 2 year contract lol.
Have faith.
As mentioned above also, at first I was quite daunted by the processes of rooting etc for the HTC and was unsure i'd made the right choice. I considered falling back to sammy but even after this last couple of days i've thought to myself I have made the right choice.
Thanks for all the helpful comments. I am a voracious reader, and I would never attempt to do any type of upgrade without quite a bit of research first. I pretty much have my mind made up on the M9, but AT&T has jacked up their upgrade process. This is a company phone & we are on a legacy plan. Until my boss & I get all that worked out with AT&T, I'll be using my trusty S5. AT&T really ticked me off yesterday when I was in the store, so much that we might even look at an alternate carrier.
Thanks again for the help.
Vol4Ever said:
Thanks for all the helpful comments. I am a voracious reader, and I would never attempt to do any type of upgrade without quite a bit of research first. I pretty much have my mind made up on the M9, but AT&T has jacked up their upgrade process. This is a company phone & we are on a legacy plan. Until my boss & I get all that worked out with AT&T, I'll be using my trusty S5. AT&T really ticked me off yesterday when I was in the store, so much that we might even look at an alternate carrier.
Thanks again for the help.
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Unsolicited advice, if you're going to root and install custom rom and leaked updates, you're better off sticking with a GSM carrier (AT&T or T-Mobile) over Sprint or Verizon. Sprint and Verizon users almost always have to wait for carrier release to get updates. AT&T works with all of the international updates that are released. T-Mobile does too, but they also offer Wi-Fi calling which may not always work with international roms and firmware. just my .02
fernandezhjr said:
Samsung is a much bigger and more known company. It's phone sales are huge compared to HTC and that will relate to much more active forums. I understand what you are saying, but like I said every device will be different. When I had my Nexus 4, rooting and flashing roms was a piece.of cake. I would just be careful about over complaining. Nobody here is obligated to help anyone. Be nice and someone will eventually come along with the needed help.
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You missed the point and Who's over complaining? Obviously no one is obligated to help here or any other thread on xda. My point was if someone wanted to buy an M9 he/she should think carefully before taking the 'dive', and it is a fact the M9 threads are much quieter, right? and did you read the posts the urls I posted above? if you look at the urls i posted previous post you will see alot of other users were confused. I wonder why? They had 'searched and searched' but were still confused, I wonder why?. My question was , why do some threads have to make something so simple sound so complex.? After reading hundreds of post from back to front, I realized that had some posts or more detail/explanation been added to the OP of some threads, quite alot of the confusion could have bee avoided in first place, in M9 threads generally. That was the main difference I observed between sammy threads and M9 threads. I dont hate my M9,but I expected alot more from it. The screen display is lacklustre, some devices have a dead pixel problem, and flashing firmware is a nightmare for some experienced sammy users from what I hv read so far, but yes the sound is excellent on m9 and speed is fast (i know S6 has much higher antutu score but I dont believe those scores completely). but for now I do hope that there will be gradual improvement for M9 as more people get involved when the device becomes cheaper. I Just felt need to point out to any sammy user, think very carefully before you switch to htc M9 , if they want go down the customization route. If you dont want pull your hair out then stick with sammy, but if you are up for a challenge and some headaches in the beginning, definitely go for M9. Because it can only get better.
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You missed the point and Who's over complaining? Obviously no one is obligated to help here or any other thread on xda. My point was if someone wanted to buy an M9 he/she should think carefully before taking the 'dive', and it is a fact the M9 threads are much quieter, right? and did you read the posts the urls I posted above? if you look at the urls i posted previous post you will see alot of other users were confused. I wonder why? They had 'searched and searched' but were still confused, I wonder why?. My question was , why do some threads have to make something so simple sound so complex.? After reading hundreds of post from back to front, I realized that had some posts or more detail/explanation been added to the OP of some threads, quite alot of the confusion could have bee avoided in first place, in M9 threads generally. That was the main difference I observed between sammy threads and M9 threads. I dont hate my M9,but I expected alot more from it. The screen display is lacklustre, some devices have a dead pixel problem, and flashing firmware is a nightmare for some experienced sammy users from what I hv read so far, but yes the sound is excellent on m9 and speed is fast (i know S6 has much higher antutu score but I dont believe those scores completely). but for now I do hope that there will be gradual improvement for M9 as more people get involved when the device becomes cheaper. I Just felt need to point out to any sammy user, think very carefully before you switch to htc M9 , if they want go down the customization route. If you dont want pull your hair out then stick with sammy, but if you are up for a challenge and some headaches in the beginning, definitely go for M9. Because it can only get better.
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I kind of understand what you're saying, but I think the reason a lot of advice seems contradictory is because little variables like S-off/on, region, carrier, GSM/CDMA, etc make a difference in the steps you have to take. Also, in a lot of those posts you linked to they were trying to accomplish different things. For example, many people want to upgrade firmware without being S-off and there are several different ways to accomplish this and at the same time it may not be possible at all for that user (because it depends on their carrier/region).
Many of us who do like to help people find that it's like pulling teeth sometimes to get enough information to even offer a suggestion to people. It really shouldn't be that hard to say 1) exactly what you'd like to accomplish and 2) exactly what steps you've already taken. Finally, and I highly doubt this is unique to the M9 forum, but it's extremely frustrating when either someone just asked the same question a few posts back, or the answer is clearly spelled out in the op.
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I kind of understand what you're saying, but I think the reason a lot of advice seems contradictory is because little variables like S-off/on, region, carrier, GSM/CDMA, etc make a difference in the steps you have to take. Also, in a lot of those posts you linked to they were trying to accomplish different things. For example, many people want to upgrade firmware without being S-off and there are several different ways to accomplish this and at the same time it may not be possible at all for that user (because it depends on their carrier/region).
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I think you hit the nail on the head with this. Wondering Perhaps the M9 threads should be divided into sections for this or that carrier 'only'? Eg Verizon users only , international users only etc ..would it work? It might repeat some instructions , but it would make it more clear for people and save alot of the confusion or contradictions we see? Ie this is your device and you can do this and you cant do this, and this way is better than that way because you are xxx carrier, and this is the reason. I am just thinking especially of the new M9 users to come. Is there a way to Make it simple and clear. As you and others have said, its not difficult once you know how. And at same time , we can try to not sounding over complicated or confusing to them....some guys are really very helpful in the M9 threads, as example , after I got a reply I thought, this is so simple(!), why was it made to sound so complicated in first place? Or I thought why didnt someone put that in the OP? Would have saved alot of people alot of time. But I guess M9 is new, threads are relatively new, I get that , and I am sure we will see more and more interest in M9 , and hence more activity in the threads, as it picks up momentum...
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I think you hit the nail on the head with this. Wondering Perhaps the M9 threads should be divided into sections for this or that carrier 'only'? Eg Verizon users only , international users only etc ..would it work? It might repeat some instructions , but it would make it more clear for people and save alot of the confusion or contradictions we see? Ie this is your device and you can do this and you cant do this, and this way is better than that way because you are xxx carrier, and this is the reason. I am just thinking especially of the new M9 users to come. Is there a way to Make it simple and clear. As you and others have said, its not difficult once you know how. And at same time , we can try to not sounding over complicated or confusing to them....some guys are really very helpful in the M9 threads, as example , after I got a reply I thought, this is so simple(!), why was it made to sound so complicated in first place? Or I thought why didnt someone put that in the OP? Would have saved alot of people alot of time. But I guess M9 is new, threads are relatively new, I get that , and I am sure we will see more and more interest in M9 , and hence more activity in the threads, as it picks up momentum...
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You mean like this?
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Is there an International section? And if there are already different sections for different US carriers , I wonder why are all those confused guys asking in the general forum?
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Is there an International section? And if there are already different sections for different US carriers , I wonder why are all those confused guys asking in the general forum?
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Probably because there is more activity here in the unbranded forum. There are differences with how the various branded phones need to be rooted and roms flashed. Not all the instructions here will work unless you properly debrand/convert the phone.
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Probably because there is more activity here in the unbranded forum. There are differences with how the various branded phones need to be rooted and roms flashed. Not all the instructions here will work unless you properly debrand/convert the phone.
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Which explains some of the confusion..
Just curious, once the US users from AT&T or whatever have debranded to say developer WWE europe .401 firmware, how is the modem/radio/baseband after? Reception and wifi no problems at all or do they have to flash their local carrier radio again to get good signal? (I ask because my S4 was on Poland or German firmware i think but it still worked great in Asia).
For me, HTC are the pinnacle of devices when you plan to root, believe me its a walk in the park, not only that but the community is friendlier, larger and the level of development and developers is second to none. Take a look at my SIG to see the phones I've had, don't get me wrong the s5 is a special device and I used it underwater for many hours and I loved it but I've always missed HTC when I've been away from it, even the note 4 wasn't enough to keep me away..
The choice at the end of the day is yours..for me there is no choice, the m9 is by far and away the best device there is right now, not without faults but that just adds to its character.
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Which explains some of the confusion..
Just curious, once the US users from AT&T or whatever have debranded to say developer WWE europe .401 firmware, how is the modem/radio/baseband after? Reception and wifi no problems at all or do they have to flash their local carrier radio again to get good signal? (I ask because my S4 was on Poland or German firmware i think but it still worked great in Asia).
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Some users have reported the need to flash the radio that comes with the stock firmware. I believe it could be location specific. Best thing to do is if works, don't try to fix it.
dladz said:
For me, HTC are the pinnacle of devices when you plan to root, believe me its a walk in the park, not only that but the community is friendlier, larger and the level of development and developers is second to none. Take a look at my SIG to see the phones I've had, don't get me wrong the s5 is a special device and I used it underwater for many hours and I loved it but I've always missed HTC when I've been away from it, even the note 4 wasn't enough to keep me away..
The choice at the end of the day is yours..for me there is no choice, the m9 is by far and away the best device there is right now, not without faults but that just adds to its character.
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I get your point. Mayb alot of us were spoilt with odin and ease of flashing and customizing sammy devices. My S4 was on CM12.1 lollipop 5.1.1 ages ago , and I didnt need do go back to stock to any 'update firmware' at all when i went from previous lollipop to 5.1.1 so when I got my m9 i was like wtf? ( I thought to myself: Why Gotta go back to stock to take update and then all this s-on s-off cid supercid silly stuff. ) LOL. It didnt help that i had to factory reset my phone 6 times in first few days to get everything working. Mayb i was unlucky as i even had the annoying dead pixel problem in m9. I believe a few other users had same problems. I am sure my m9 gonna get better. I was close to selling it right away, but will stick with it for now. You guys have convinced me its not as bad as it seems. As i said, it can only get better as more users buy the m9 (when it becomes cheaper).
Btw how does the note4 compare with m9 speed wise? Just asking.