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Desire HD owner desiring a tablet

I know there are a lot of ppl out there like me who are thinking of getting a tablet especially now that we are gonna be bombarded with all sorts of tabs in different sizes, OS' and brands.
personally I wanted to get a Galaxy tab but it just seemed to give me nothing more than a bigger screen than my DHD. now I'm happy that I waited as there seems to be interesting tablets coming out such as HTC Flyer, Galaxy tab 10.1, Motorola xoom, Blackberry playbook, LG optimus pad, iPad 2 ....
I for one wanna know what other DHD owners think about tablets; their arguments in buying or not buying a tablet, price ranges, capabilities and so on.
so please share your ideas.

I will buy a tablet this year. I just dont know which.
I would love to get the HTC Flyer, I think Sense for Tablet looks spiffy, but I'm a bit dissapointed they are not using Honeycomb. Samsung seems to have a nice one... Lets see how much they go for before I decide on anything.

I would buy one if i could afford it but sadly i am a poor student so it won't be anytime soon.
But if i should buy one right now it would probably be the Xoom even though it should be madly expensive well that is if least if the rumors are true ($800!!)
The Flyer also looks nice but that's all i think would very much have liked it with Honeycomb and a dual core CPU, simply because if i have to pick up my tablet instead of my laptop, i at least want it to have a lot of tabs open in the browser + maybe a game or something else and i think a dual core would be better for that.
But buy the time i am buying a tablet the iPad 2 and Galaxy Tab 2 are probaly out so i think i would go for the Tab sin i have bought far to many apps to go on a new platform.

junta_mpb said:
I will buy a tablet this year. I just dont know which.
I would love to get the HTC Flyer, I think Sense for Tablet looks spiffy, but I'm a bit dissapointed they are not using Honeycomb. Samsung seems to have a nice one... Lets see how much they go for before I decide on anything.
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FYI
HTC confirmed that the flyer will be updated to Honeycomb.

A while back I bought a netbook, as it was easier than going upstairs into the spare bedroom to use the desktop - especially if I just wanted to browse a page or two or check my email. I then got a smartphone, as I could check email, and browse the odd page a lot easier. The next step does seem to be to get a tablet. However I dont think I need one. Then my nephew came to stay for the weekend, he brought his ipad with him (hes only 5 years old!!). He spent his time on my phone, and I spent some time on his ipad. I got to admit, being able to pick up a tablet and start surfing within a few seconds is really convenient. Also with the bigger screen it was easier, and more readable.
I dont need one, but will probably get one - it wont be an ipad/ipad2 - but probably an android tablet. The motorolla xoom, if it was cheaper. I am willing to spend £300, no more than that on a tablet. The htc flyer also looks good, if it could be linked tightly to a phone, i.e. sync apps, app data between tablet and phone...then that may sway me to go with a htc tablet.

iSkull said:
But buy the time i am buying a tablet the iPad 2 and Galaxy Tab 2 are probaly out so i think i would go for the Tab sin i have bought far to many apps to go on a new platform.
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thats an interesting point, to go with the same platform or not. it is nice to have the same platform as your phone which would give you some advantages such as using your apps and the fact that you are comfortable with it. but I for one wanna have something a bit different so it would just be bigger screen. maybe Honeycomb can serve the purpose since its not gonna be a smartphone OS.

junta_mpb said:
I will buy a tablet this year. I just dont know which.
I would love to get the HTC Flyer, I think Sense for Tablet looks spiffy, but I'm a bit dissapointed they are not using Honeycomb. Samsung seems to have a nice one... Lets see how much they go for before I decide on anything.
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It does look very nice. The addition of a stylus sounds good. The only down-side is that its "only" 7" screen.

xpuser said:
I dont need one, but will probably get one - it wont be an ipad/ipad2 - but probably an android tablet. The motorolla xoom, if it was cheaper. I am willing to spend £300, no more than that on a tablet. The htc flyer also looks good, if it could be linked tightly to a phone, i.e. sync apps, app data between tablet and phone...then that may sway me to go with a htc tablet.
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yes, having your phone linked with your (future) tablet seems to be an essential point. I liked how this was implemented in Blackberry's Playbook where you can sync (almost instantly) with your blackberry through bluetooth. so yeah I hope for android and HTC it goes beyond syncing contacts and calendar.

Iachimo said:
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HTC confirmed that the flyer will be updated to Honeycomb.
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In that case, Im getting it.

I use tomtom for navigation, a pda for personal stuff, a netbook for quickly surfing the web at night, and used to have a nokia x6 abviously for phone calls, games and navigation. When I bought my DHD, I dont use those mentioned gadgets anymore as the DHD does it all. What will a tablet do that my DHD cannot do? A bigger screen I suppose, I'll just use my netbook. So I dont think I need a tablet. My DHD is plenty enough.

Iachimo said:
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HTC confirmed that the flyer will be updated to Honeycomb.
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Can there be Sense for Honeycomb? I've heard rummors that Google had gone the Apple and WP7 way in terms of third party UIs. Or am I mistaken?
I personaly think 7" are a little too small - worse than 4.3" in terms of mobility (for me even the 5" Dell is too much) and worse than 10" in terms of the big screen experience the tablets are supposed to provide (something like comparing the tiny iPhone's screen to the DHD). On the other hand Sense and alluminum body... sounds like a DHD on steroids .

tkolev said:
Can there be Sense for Honeycomb? I've heard rummors that Google had gone the Apple and WP7 way in terms of third party UIs. Or am I mistaken?.
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Seems im the bringer of good news in this thread.
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The flyer will have a new sense based HTC skin. Ill get the pictures today and post a link here.
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I want the Adam Ink... if they get them in stock.

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If the HTC Flyer gets upgraded to a quad core or decent tegra chip, or something future friendly, then I'll probably go for it.
Edit: Ah, I didn't see your post Iachimo - we posted at a similar time - nice pic.

But i agree the specs are a tad weak when u compare it with the current competition. Allthough im pretty sure its a "feeler" product just so see how the market responds and what user difficulties the owners run into. Six months later they will try to launch the 10'' version (probably with dualcore and integrated gpu (wouldnt count on tegra))

Iachimo said:
Seems im the bringer of good news in this thread.
FYI:
The flyer will have a new sense based HTC skin. Ill get the pictures today and post a link here.
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Yes, but it's shipped with 2.4 (the new Gingerbread) not 3.0 (Honeycomb)
... Or not?

shipped with 2.4 and getting 3.0 in the future.

Iachimo said:
shipped with 2.4 and getting 3.0 in the future.
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My point was that it might have to loose Sense if you go for a 3.0 update (if it's true that there will be no custom UIs for HC).

Iachimo said:
But i agree the specs are a tad weak when u compare it with the current competition. Allthough im pretty sure its a "feeler" product just so see how the market responds and what user difficulties the owners run into. Six months later they will try to launch the 10'' version (probably with dualcore and integrated gpu (wouldnt count on tegra))
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True true, that seems to be what HTC has been doing, and I must admit its pretty annoying when they announce something and then 3 month later they release 10 better devices. I was looking at videos from the Barcelona congress and HTC has at least 4-5 more devices than all other manufacturers! I'm not sure I wanna go down the same road with tablet that I did with the phone (btw I had the desire befire DHD)

Galaxy S2 vs. iPhone 4 vs. LG E900 vs. Lag myth

May I redirect your attention to this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1450019

so you focus the lag on browser performance?
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a dual core would never be better than a single core device /s
like really? I'm trying very hard to find the metric used besides how a page renders data; which is important, but further drives home the point that dual core processors are better at it.
But curiosity killed me
are you running a stock sgsII rom? with no hacks? And the browser is stock?

FTW
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Hi, I'd rather have you comment in the thread I linked to, that way evening gets organized in one thread.
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Is it the stock s2 rom ?
Looks different than my wifes ui.
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GIR said:
Hi, I'd rather have you comment in the thread I linked to, that way evening gets organized in one thread.
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That is exactly why you aren't supposed to post the same thing in multiple places or create identical threads in more than one location.
You are the OP. You can close this thread. See attached picture of the Thread Tools Menu in the upper right.
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Don't think that was a stock rom...
Watch this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMfRd9NRnr0
Either way though that old LG you have to admit is not lagging at all with a single core snapdragon. And my Titan which still has a single core kicks it's butt royally (The LG and is right on par with the dual core Galaxy S2 and the new iphone 4s).

Knochen1981 said:
Is it the stock s2 rom ?
Looks different than my wifes ui.
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It's stock ROM with Beautifull widgets and twisted colors live wallpaper.
https://market.android.com/details?...DEsImNvbS5sZXZlbHVwLmJlYXV0aWZ1bHdpZGdldHMiXQ..
https://market.android.com/details?...GVsdXMudHdpc3RlZGNvbG9yc2xpdmV3YWxscGFwZXIiXQ..
JVH3 said:
That is exactly why you aren't supposed to post the same thing in multiple places or create identical threads in more than one location.
You are the OP. You can close this thread. See attached picture of the Thread Tools Menu in the upper right.
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I don't have that option.
XDA is so full of subfora that it's hard to get exposure on some issues which might concern all the fora. That's why I put it in general and put redirect threads which is a common practice done on XDA.
ROCOAFZ said:
Don't think that was a stock rom...
Watch this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMfRd9NRnr0
Either way though that old LG you have to admit is not lagging at all with a single core snapdragon. And my Titan which still has a single core kicks it's butt royally (The LG and is right on par with the dual core Galaxy S2 and the new iphone 4s).
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That person is also on tweakers.net (a dutch community), it was later confirmed he had faulty software because of all the crap he had installed. A hard reset solved his issues.
the iPhone 4 is also a single core 1GHz device.

GIR said:
It's stock ROM with Beautifull widgets and twisted colors live wallpaper.
https://market.android.com/details?...DEsImNvbS5sZXZlbHVwLmJlYXV0aWZ1bHdpZGdldHMiXQ..
https://market.android.com/details?...GVsdXMudHdpc3RlZGNvbG9yc2xpdmV3YWxscGFwZXIiXQ..
I don't have that option.
XDA is so full of subfora that it's hard to get exposure on some issues which might concern all the fora. That's why I put it in general and put redirect threads which is a common practice done on XDA.
That person is also on tweakers.net (a dutch community), it was later confirmed he had faulty software because of all the crap he had installed. A hard reset solved his issues.
the iPhone 4 is also a single core 1GHz device.
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Malware? lol (little poke on that one)
One thing about windows phone is only 5 or 6 apps can run at a time without being tombstoned and the apps cannot effect the o/s
I don't have an SG S2 but i have seen many android phones with high amounts of lag. (felt like i had sticky fingers at times). How is the battery life on it? (with video background i would imagine not as long as it could be)
My biggest gripe though with android is that it doesn't seem to flow from one thing to another. I've setup exchange on 4 different androids at my work in the last 4 months. one was cupcake ... i know ewe... but in each of these, the setup was in different areas. Sometimes it integrated calendars also after an update which the user did not want. One droid broke its exchange connection with an update until google 4 months later released another fix for it (May have been carrier fault but it still took forever which did not make the admin assistant very happy since she booked appointments for the ceo) Needless to say between that and the lag (which for her was probably 60% the crap apps she downloaded) made that phone the last android she would own. She (even though i tried to talk her toward windows phone) went to an iphone 4S. She is however jealous of all the cool free apps i have (most of the iphone ones were paid) and she misses the free apps she had on android, but for stability she is satisfied.
Oh and my Titan only cost me 1 cent with 2 year agreement. She paid heavily for the iphone. Not sure how much SG2 goes for.

GIR said:
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I don't have that option.
XDA is so full of subfora that it's hard to get exposure on some issues which might concern all the fora. That's why I put it in general and put redirect threads which is a common practice done on XDA.
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My mistake. They gave that option to recognized developers. For some reason I thought they gave it to everyone.
Rules in the dev sections are more strictly enforced, which is where I spent alot of time between 2009 to August of 2011. I still frequent the dev sections, but am not flashing ROMs twice a week anymore so I spend less time there.
Rule 5 in particular is why you are not supposed to do this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?a=81

ROCOAFZ said:
Malware? lol (little poke on that one)
One thing about windows phone is only 5 or 6 apps can run at a time without being tombstoned and the apps cannot effect the o/s
I don't have an SG S2 but i have seen many android phones with high amounts of lag. (felt like i had sticky fingers at times). How is the battery life on it? (with video background i would imagine not as long as it could be)
My biggest gripe though with android is that it doesn't seem to flow from one thing to another. I've setup exchange on 4 different androids at my work in the last 4 months. one was cupcake ... i know ewe... but in each of these, the setup was in different areas. Sometimes it integrated calendars also after an update which the user did not want. One droid broke its exchange connection with an update until google 4 months later released another fix for it (May have been carrier fault but it still took forever which did not make the admin assistant very happy since she booked appointments for the ceo) Needless to say between that and the lag (which for her was probably 60% the crap apps she downloaded) made that phone the last android she would own. She (even though i tried to talk her toward windows phone) went to an iphone 4S. She is however jealous of all the cool free apps i have (most of the iphone ones were paid) and she misses the free apps she had on android, but for stability she is satisfied.
Oh and my Titan only cost me 1 cent with 2 year agreement. She paid heavily for the iphone. Not sure how much SG2 goes for.
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Actually he tried to root it with the wrong kernel, but dream on.

And it took the wrong kernel? Surprized. Most phones won't boot in that case. He got lucky.

ROCOAFZ said:
1) I don't have an SG S2 but i have seen many android phones with high amounts of lag. (felt like i had sticky fingers at times).
2) How is the battery life on it? (with video background i would imagine not as long as it could be)
3) My biggest gripe though with android is that it doesn't seem to flow from one thing to another.
4) I've setup exchange on 4 different androids at my work in the last 4 months. one was cupcake ... i know ewe... but in each of these, the setup was in different areas. Sometimes it integrated calendars also after an update which the user did not want.
5)One droid broke its exchange connection with an update until google 4 months later released another fix for it 6) (May have been carrier fault but it still took forever which did not make the admin assistant very happy since she booked appointments for the ceo)
7) Needless to say between that and the lag (which for her was probably 60% the crap apps she downloaded) made that phone the last android she would own. She (even though i tried to talk her toward windows phone) went to an iphone 4S.
8) She is however jealous of all the cool free apps i have (most of the iphone ones were paid) and she misses the free apps she had on android, but for stability she is satisfied.
9) Oh and my Titan only cost me 1 cent with 2 year agreement. She paid heavily for the iphone. Not sure how much SG2 goes for.
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1) lag - nice myth, keep it flowin ! (not new)
2) battery life on all smart phones in use is not great. (not new)
3) you mean, like keeping 7+ applications going at once, so you can get directions to a customer, while on the phone, sending an email with said directions along with a PDF they need, directly in the email ? (not new, but not all phones can)
4) i'm sorry you had to use cupcake, really, almost as sorry you have to still use exchange (personal, also not new)
5) just more of 4)
6) just putting the blame where it's convenient ? (not new)
7) see 1), good for her finding a platform that fits great and works great (ios is new everyday)
8) the ios apps are much higher quality, and the huge selection means the tagline "there's an app for that" is still true (not new)
8) continued - if she's setting up things for the ceo, i doubt she, or he, cares less about the cost being $.99-3.99 for the vast majority of very well developed, mature, supported applications available on ios.
9) 'only 99cents on contract' - math (not new, but neglected)
i understand everyone likes one platform over another for personal, business, and sometimes financial reasons. that's fine. if you can't see the benefit of using ios for corporate clients, wether or not you like the platform, something is amiss.

ohgood said:
1) lag - nice myth, keep it flowin ! (not new)
2) battery life on all smart phones in use is not great. (not new)
3) you mean, like keeping 7+ applications going at once, so you can get directions to a customer, while on the phone, sending an email with said directions along with a PDF they need, directly in the email ? (not new, but not all phones can)
4) i'm sorry you had to use cupcake, really, almost as sorry you have to still use exchange (personal, also not new)
5) just more of 4)
6) just putting the blame where it's convenient ? (not new)
7) see 1), good for her finding a platform that fits great and works great (ios is new everyday)
8) the ios apps are much higher quality, and the huge selection means the tagline "there's an app for that" is still true (not new)
8) continued - if she's setting up things for the ceo, i doubt she, or he, cares less about the cost being $.99-3.99 for the vast majority of very well developed, mature, supported applications available on ios.
9) 'only 99cents on contract' - math (not new, but neglected)
i understand everyone likes one platform over another for personal, business, and sometimes financial reasons. that's fine. if you can't see the benefit of using ios for corporate clients, wether or not you like the platform, something is amiss.
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1) Not myth... they would pause and churn. Especially when scrolling. (they weren't all the latest and greatest either as they were ones the consumer picked up.)
2) My sisters Android (not sure which one she has as she is out of state but i see her complaining on facebook about it) lasts 4 hours with medium usage. My titan lasts 15 with heavy.
3) for flow i mean. In one verion of the OS - Email is in one place, in another it's somewhere else. Depends if you have touchwiz, sense ect, and what version of android.
4) cupcake was VERY slow. As for exchange... why sorry? Exchange 2010 kicks butt. not our fault google broke active sync for a few months.
5) Was an example of 4
6) result of example and explaining it may have been her fault but android let her do it.
7) Stability was the plus for her. Free apps though was not with IOS.
8) When you lived in a free world, it gets hard to pay for EVERYTHING useful. Also I work for a nonprofit... she doesn't get paid that much.
9)It was really 1 cent on Blackfriday special. not 99 cents. That was meant for those that complain Windows phone is so expensive.
I like numbers games

ROCOAFZ said:
Don't think that was a stock rom...
Watch this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMfRd9NRnr0
Either way though that old LG you have to admit is not lagging at all with a single core snapdragon. And my Titan which still has a single core kicks it's butt royally (The LG and is right on par with the dual core Galaxy S2 and the new iphone 4s).
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Thats how my wifes performs. Stutters here and there. And its not faulty cause we got it back from support center. Contacts list and more stutters. And the kinetic scrolling is crap
But it seems all device perform different.
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Laptop Dock

Sorry if this has been discussed before! I searched and didn't come across a similar thread.
Just curious to see what people think and know about Samsung releasing a laptop dock akin to that which was released for the Motorola Atrix as well as the Asus Transformer attachment. I always thought it was a neat idea and with the horsepower commonly found in today's smart/super phones, I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.
I'm sure most of you are familiar with the concept. If not, this is what it basically looks like:
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Anyways, I'm asking because I see a lot of people on here that like to use their Notes as more than a phone; whether it's by connecting it to a TV/monitor via an MHL connector or plugging in extra USB accessories (mice, storage, etc).
What do you guys think? Will Samsung do something like this? Would you guys use it if it were available?

No and No. Phones still don't have enough processing power to rpelace a laptop (trust me, i owned an Atrix and a lapdock for 6 months, using it daily), and very few people would buy an accessory to a phone that is already made to faciliate the use as "more than just a phone" in it's natural form factor.

RamenBooko said:
What do you guys think?
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OMG that is amazing. RedFly done properly. The Note already has both the power and resolution to run as a laptop. I for one would love it. I just bought a collapsable bluetooth keyboard to type better when I'm in a cafe
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I'll just leave this here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NcHgSY3xYLo#!
BTW, we don't have enough processing power for phones to replace your laptop.
Nor do we have the battery technology to provide an acceptable use.
Nor do we have the software in place to handle these properly.
...in short this is possible with today's technology but VERY VERY quirky, and definitely not worth having.
2 years ago I drafted a proposal for accomplishing this task: To manufacture an Omnia (one do it all device) and my conclusion was for 2 modular devices.
1) Superphone/Smartphone which does most tasks:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=951027#post951027
2) A tablet which converts into an Ultrabook:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921388post&p=921372
P.S. You can some of my ideas have made their way into actual devices today, such as the Dell Streak, XPlay, Lenovo Yoga, and ASUS Transformer.
(P.S. Those are the latest ones I've posted, they evolved from a long line of mock ups that dates back ~2years. I did update both a while ago but haven't posted up, if there is demand I'll post those up too)

Viamonte said:
No and No. Phones still don't have enough processing power to rpelace a laptop
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Statements like this do amuse me!
Something like the Note has more power than laptops that were state of the art 7 years ago. People managed to use these for real work "back in the day".
The problem is that most of the productivity apps have become too heavy weight, and for 95% of users they probably only use a fraction of the functionality.
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Windows is a big pile of poo that eats resources as its primary mission. Back when I was a student the uni had a 266MHz DEC Alpha that had 400 users on it at any time. It had a monster 4GB of hard drive space and 512MB RAM running DEC UNIX.
My Galaxy Note has similar power! My Commodore 64 had a lot less power and it was great for word processing. But unlike the Note, there was no way it could play 1080p video (with MHL adapter) to a monitor or play 3d games. We hold awesome computing power in our hands. Efficient code (c++ from NDK not Java from SDK) on this phone will kill the need for a laptop.
Android is Linux. And that means it's 5 times as fast as if it ran Windows. Five times is not an exageration. It really is slower than that.

foxmeister said:
Statements like this do amuse me!
Something like the Note has more power than laptops that were state of the art 7 years ago. People managed to use these for real work "back in the day".
The problem is that most of the productivity apps have become too heavy weight, and for 95% of users they probably only use a fraction of the functionality.
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In case you haven't noticed we are in 2012.
Times change and so does the needs of society.
Personal Computing has come a long way from 7 years ago, hell from 3 years ago if you know the industry.
Obviously you were nitpicking one comment of mine.
Yes, it can *be* a laptop and do tasks, but it would much less efficient than using an actual laptop, therefore (by definition) not upto the task!

My Asus Transformer runs like a laptop just fine. I doubt the note would be worse .

PurpleMelbourne said:
Windows is a big pile of poo that eats resources as its primary mission.
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PurpleMelbourne said:
Android is Linux. And that means it's 5 times as fast as if it ran Windows. Five times is not an exageration. It really is slower than that.
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/smh
/reads again
/smh

E_man5112 said:
My Asus Transformer runs like a laptop just fine. I doubt the note would be worse .
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Exactly! Bigger screen attachment, then it could run the tab version of ics. Then, apps for tab mode that are better like quickoffice could be used. The tab version of ics (also sorta honeycomb) is a step closer to a full blown laptop, as they are starting to do toned down processes like "hardcore" word processing (that you can actually save in spots and move it ha apple). I know the note has no ics yet, but im talking for the future.

You can run Ubuntu Linux with MHL video adaptor for 1920 x 1080 video and bluetooth keyboard and mouse. You then have a windowing computer with Firefox, Open Office, VLC video and a few other things on screen at the same time.
I'm looking forward to trying it out when I can afford a 64GB SDHC card.

ekin said:
Obviously you were nitpicking one comment of mine.
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I think you will find I directly quoted an earlier poster, but either way adding to a discussion isn't nitpicking! So, obviously not!
Yes, it can *be* a laptop and do tasks, but it would much less efficient than using an actual laptop, therefore (by definition) not upto the task!
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Rather missed the point here didn't get you?
Yes, using a phone as a laptop would be less efficient, but take the Note and stick it in an Atrix style dock, and run a lightweight flavour of Linux, and it becomes much more efficient in that role. I wouldn't want to compile applications on it, but given most business users only tend to use laptops for document creation, email, and web browsing, what you would have is certainly up to that task.
The point is that the hardware is more than capable.
Regards,
Dave
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Yea, I think you're spot on about the device being more than capable of running a lightweight Linux distro.
For me personally, I carry around my laptop right now for school purposes. Making diagrams, light photo editing, productivity suite (Office), etc. If I could just carry around something similar to the lapdock, that would be awesome.
I think there is a market for this since, as someone mentioned above, a lot of users need a laptop for very basic use (web, email, productivity). I'm surprised that Samsung hasn't attempted this yet for their awesome phone lineup.

foxmeister said:
Statements like this do amuse me!
Something like the Note has more power than laptops that were state of the art 7 years ago. People managed to use these for real work "back in the day".
The problem is that most of the productivity apps have become too heavy weight, and for 95% of users they probably only use a fraction of the functionality.
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Then why don't you try using a computer with 7 year old software and tell me how your experience went?

I am actually developing this exact thing right now. Stay tuned!
Sincerely,
John Andrus
livi design

Oh ya, and it'll be MHL compatible with 40 phones right from the get go.
Well, I was wondering when someone would force my hand lol. I look forward to sharing my device with you all. I'll have a contest to beta test it and give out several of em.
So I'm not really ready to announce anything, so can you guys keep it to xda?
John Andrus
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Oh ya, and it'll be MHL compatible with 40 phones right from the get go.
Well, I was wondering when someone would force my hand lol. I look forward to sharing my device with you all. I'll have a contest to beta test it and give out several of em.
So I'm not really ready to announce anything, so can you guys keep it to xda?
John Andrus
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Something like that would be pretty neat.
openSUSE is my fav distro, rpm > deb. Which is why the delay, restraint and murder of MeeGo was one of the worst things of 2011.
I might be able to help once things get to beta (i really cant afford to brick the NOTE).

Viamonte said:
Then why don't you try using a computer with 7 year old software and tell me how your experience went?
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So.... how many people here are still running Windows XP? How many enterprises still use Windows XP as their primary client OS? (Hint - look here)
Virtually all enterprises still use XP and Office 2007, and I've seen a few that are still using Office 2003.
Now ask yourself - how old is Windows XP?
Whilst it has obviously been updated over the years, for the most part a PC that ran XP 7 years ago, could still run XP equally well today, even with the latest service packs applied and the user experience is practically unchanged.
In the server space, I'd be willing to bet that Windows Server 2003 installations outnumber later versions, and ditto SQL Server 2005.
In terms of hardware, my late 2010 model Macbook Air, which I use on almost a daily basis for real work has a Core 2 Duo CPU inside, which is an architecture that dates from 2006.
Software hasn't moved on as far as most people would like to think - Wirth's law still very much applies!
Regards,
Dave

Not just windows, the version of office is usually 2003 or even older. The problem aren't those. Using a 7 yo SAP must be a nightmare with krueger, or internet explorer 6 (i can vouch for this one, it was the version i my office). But the hole goes deeper. The fact your Core 2 duo is from 2006 only serves to demonstrate old pcs were stll light years ahead of our Note. Try 2002 and then maybe we're equaling things.
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My Pentium 4c 2.4GHZ with Hyper threading runs XP SP3 perfectly well and is MORE than capable of doing everything I would be doing on the go. Asking why someone would want this kind of accessory for there Note is like asking why people by Netbooks or Tablets..... Jeeze. People sure seem to get a lot done with those on the go. My ancient computer described before easily outperforms any experience with a netbook i have had and id rather use a tablet than either... So this device makes sense... although I personally would rather just go get an Asus Transformer Prime myself....
But there is a reason Asus is developing the Padphone thing.... some people arnt savy enough or want to deal with the added time of a file transfering process that is neccesary with two devices.
P.S. Pardon the spelling mistakes. Had to type this up quick

Vodafone Redbox uk advert

Has anyone seen the advert.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6obEMR_aRkA&feature=player_embedded
The bloke claims that Vodafone transfered his contacts from his old phone to his WP7.
I guess that no one in the advertising department has a WP...

imaginarynumber said:
Has anyone seen the advert.
The bloke claims that Vodafone transfered his contacts from his old phone to his WP7.
I guess that no one in the advertising department has a WP...
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If you've used RebBox in store you can do it. - http://www.vodafone.co.uk/vodafone-uk/contact-us/find-a-store/red-box/index.htm

How can you transfer contacts into WP via usb (redbox) and not via the cloud?
Even the wesite says WM is supported and doesn't mention WP

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How can you transfer contacts into WP via usb (redbox) and not via the cloud?
Even the wesite says WM is supported and doesn't mention WP
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Here is the reply from Vodafone!
Apparently they have got a bluetooth app for that! I have no idea how well it works, but the built in bluetooth app for contact transfer is sweet.

Ahh... it works for nokias only then.
Mind you it means that if you have a non nokia wp7 that you want to use as the donor phone you are stuffed

imaginarynumber said:
Ahh... it works for nokias only then.
Mind you it means that if you have a non nokia wp7 that you want to use as the donor phone you are stuffed
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I'm visiting the nearest Vodafone shop tomorrow and will update. From another tweet that Vodafone sent me, it looks like other phones 'might' be able to do something similar. However it is only confirmable in-store.

imaginarynumber said:
Ahh... it works for nokias only then.
Mind you it means that if you have a non nokia wp7 that you want to use as the donor phone you are stuffed
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windows phone to windows phone is easier...

z33dev33l said:
windows phone to windows phone is easier...
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Yes, but the REDBOX advert doesn't show windows to windows.
It's an advert aimed at not only showing off their REDBOX but also shows quite a lot of Windows Phone. It is a good incentive to get others from other OSes to WP - they tranfer stuff for free from old phone to new WP.

thanks, would love to know

Ok confirmed 100% - they have their own app that will transfer stuff via Bluetooth. I can see what pain it might be if you have plenty to transfer. But yes they are definitely providing REDBOX with all their windows phone. Not just Lumia.
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So all WPs now have the contact transfer app?

drupad2drupad said:
I'm visiting the nearest Vodafone shop tomorrow and will update. From another tweet that Vodafone sent me, it looks like other phones 'might' be able to do something similar. However it is only confirmable in-store.
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Bluetooth functionality, cool !
Ask them about using it on other phones and how it works, you know- all the juicy stuff.
What is REDBOX over there ? Here its just a movie rental thing.

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So all WPs now have the contact transfer app?
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ohgood said:
Bluetooth functionality, cool !
Ask them about using it on other phones and how it works, you know- all the juicy stuff.
What is REDBOX over there ? Here its just a movie rental thing.
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The way we are blessed on our HTC phones with connection set up and HTC Hub, I think Vodafone has taken it even a step further. So they don't only get those OEM loaded phones, but then add more tweaks to the OS and add their own apps. One that appeals is REDBOX as shown in recent adverts (of Yoda?)
I went to the store here in London and asked following the tweet I showed in earlier post. The redbox is nothing but an app like that of Orange's app on certain android phones. It lets the user bring in any old Bluetooth supported phone and then transfer pics, contacts, music, videos and docs.
The old WP that supported SD cards, can get everything via Bluetooth and then save on SD card. The Gen2s without SD cards, get it all saved mysteriously in the correct 'sand boxes'. Now that to me was impressive! Their REDBOX is just one app that comes pre-installed on all phones, but depending on their OS, version and hardware capabilities it works differently. What I'm sceptical about like any other Bluetooth question is - who on earth will want to transfer 5GB of songs, 2 GB of pics and about 1300 contacts from old phone to new via bluetooth? However, you don't have to wait and watch while they transfer, but if you want you could. Else they 'securely' transfer your stuff for you while you go shopping around in the market.
So that's the summary of my Sunday morning walk to Vodafone store and talk with the reps. All in the benefit of our little community!
BTW, they are waay more supportive to WP than Carphone warehouse or O2 people. They loved showing off their new Lumia and the staff seemed to know what they were talking about. More positively, they knew a lot more of what OS can do rather than what it can't do. They seemed very unaware of few limitations on certain features i.e. bluetooth file sharing (obviously!), using phone as USB, video sharing.

Vodafone also confirmed the same on twitter
Vodafone also confirmed the same on twitter

drupad2drupad said:
The way we are blessed on our HTC phones with connection set up and HTC Hub, I think Vodafone has taken it even a step further. So they don't only get those OEM loaded phones, but then add more tweaks to the OS and add their own apps. One that appeals is REDBOX as shown in recent adverts (of Yoda?)
I went to the store here in London and asked following the tweet I showed in earlier post. The redbox is nothing but an app like that of Orange's app on certain android phones. It lets the user bring in any old Bluetooth supported phone and then transfer pics, contacts, music, videos and docs.
The old WP that supported SD cards, can get everything via Bluetooth and then save on SD card. The Gen2s without SD cards, get it all saved mysteriously in the correct 'sand boxes'. Now that to me was impressive! Their REDBOX is just one app that comes pre-installed on all phones, but depending on their OS, version and hardware capabilities it works differently. What I'm sceptical about like any other Bluetooth question is - who on earth will want to transfer 5GB of songs, 2 GB of pics and about 1300 contacts from old phone to new via bluetooth? However, you don't have to wait and watch while they transfer, but if you want you could. Else they 'securely' transfer your stuff for you while you go shopping around in the market.
So that's the summary of my Sunday morning walk to Vodafone store and talk with the reps. All in the benefit of our little community!
BTW, they are waay more supportive to WP than Carphone warehouse or O2 people. They loved showing off their new Lumia and the staff seemed to know what they were talking about. More positively, they knew a lot more of what OS can do rather than what it can't do. They seemed very unaware of few limitations on certain features i.e. bluetooth file sharing (obviously!), using phone as USB, video sharing.
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So, REDBOX = just application, or carrier /isp also?
Sorry, a redbox here is a ... redbox dvd vending machine.
Thanks

ohgood said:
So, REDBOX = just application, or carrier /isp also?
Sorry, a redbox here is a ... redbox dvd vending machine.
Thanks
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RedBox is a tool that Vodafone UK introduced towards the end of last year.
Vodafone users are able to take their old phone and either:
- a new phone they have purchased from Vodafone before, or
- buy a new phone in store
and the Vodafone team in store will use the RedBox tool to transfer all of the data that is on the old phone, to the new one.
The tool is both hardware and software based - for some phones, like WP it uses an app on the phone, for some phones the phone is plugged into a hardware device.
Either way, the tool is able to connect to and transfer from/to 3000 different models of phone, and as far as I am aware is unique.
http://www.vodafone.co.uk/vodafone-uk/contact-us/find-a-store/red-box/index.htm
One of the main reasons I am with Vodafone UK is that they are the only network in the country where the staff genuinely seem to care about providing a good service - I have spent 45 minutes on the phone to customer services with an account manager and their manager trying to work out how to sort something out where other networks would just fob me off before.
Similarly, the store staff are always more than happy to help or just have a chat - they even let me have a go with a Lumia before it was released, and apart from showing me a few tricks from Mango they were happy to learn from me as someone who'd been using WP for months - I still pop in every now and then to show them a new app I've found and they always have the time of day to actually engage with their existing customers...now that's well worth the £5 extra a month compared to the cheaper networks (and even better considering O2 and Orange - whos service is terrible on a biblical scale - are more expensive!)
Sorry, went a bit OT there...

Why Nexus Devices have no SD Cards

Wanna know what it really is? Sure you do.
The lack of an SD card in Nexus devices is nothing new, and we've been over this issue already when the Galaxy Nexus first appeared.
We got tired of seeing OEMs include many GB of internal storage for music, while users were still running out of space for apps and data. This approach lets us merge everything on one volume, which is way better.
-- Dan Morrill, Android engineer at Google
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http://www.androidcentral.com/why-nexus-devices-have-no-sd-card
Looks like they took a page right out of Apple's book on that one, "we know what's best for you so we won't give you a choice". Sorry Google but I'm not getting a tablet that will only let me store 3 HD movies.. and that's on the larger model!
16GB in 2012 is downright ridiculous, I had 8+32GB on my SGS that was filled to capacity, now I can't even store half of that on my GNex.. I find myself having to swap music/movies in and out on a weekly basis which is becoming pretty annoying.

There is a Nexus 7 forum where you can address your complaints and express your dissatisfaction.
As for the 2 min of my life lost on reading this post, they haven't made a forum for that yet.

rayiskon said:
There is a Nexus 7 forum where you can address your complaints and express your dissatisfaction.
As for the 2 min of my life lost on reading this post, they haven't made a forum for that yet.
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Either you have spent less than 15 seconds reading the article or you have some sort of attention deficit disorder. The article addresses the lack of SD cards for all Nexus devices, not just the Nexus 7.
Next time read before whining about wasting 2 minutes of your precious life..

rayiskon said:
There is a Nexus 7 forum where you can address your complaints and express your dissatisfaction.
As for the 2 min of my life lost on reading this post, they haven't made a forum for that yet.
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yes there is a forum for that.....just cant find the link in my history from ten years ago...soz about that

gabster21 said:
http://www.androidcentral.com/why-nexus-devices-have-no-sd-card
Looks like they took a page right out of Apple's book on that one, "we know what's best for you so we won't give you a choice". Sorry Google but I'm not getting a tablet that will only let me store 3 HD movies.. and that's on the larger model!
16GB in 2012 is downright ridiculous, I had 8+32GB on my SGS that was filled to capacity, now I can't even store half of that on my GNex.. I find myself having to swap music/movies in and out on a weekly basis which is becoming pretty annoying.
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but then they will get money from everywhere even if you dont buy it. go buy something that fill your needs. no need for apologize. google wont even care about the price of one tablet you would've bought. even if you intend to buy 10 and you wont, Google still wont care.
and btw, Google are pushing towards Cloud Storage since few years back, just now that you see their effort(hence you see Drive, picasa, play music, stream movies,etc on the cloud). additional to that, they made it so everyone can own a tablet, hence less hardware additions.
EDIT : i am also one of the disagreed person as my country dont have WiFi everywhere and internet/data are still slow(for us its fast but compared to US, UK, etc, its slow. ) I couldnt use cloud services at its best. I wish to have more storage but i just love Nexus so much and i just accept it and make do with whats available.

nice, so they have decided for me.... cool....
I have a 16gb microSD just sitting there 'cause I can't do anything with it in my Nexus... would be really awesome to have it in my phone and have 2 separate partitions... in my microSD I could put whatever the hell I wanted, music, movies... and in the internal storage, I could use for apps and game data...

I like the one volume storage approach, but I think that the standard should be 32/64/128 flavors. Not 8/16/32/64.

gabster21 said:
Either you have spent less than 15 seconds reading the article or you have some sort of attention deficit disorder. The article addresses the lack of SD cards for all Nexus devices, not just the Nexus 7.
Next time read before whining about wasting 2 minutes of your precious life..
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Come on, this is old news.

Why don't ferraris have cup holders?
DO YOU JELLY?

I don't use cloud storage as I want my stuff available at all times, not only in good reception/wifi areas. I would love to be able to use my 32gb SD card on my gnex (I had 20gb worth of music/movies/game data/cwr backups on it). I mean nova 3 takes up close to 2gb itself, movies take an average of half a gb, nandroids half a gb, 5gb of music etc... But for $350 this phones still a hell of a deal, so I'll suffice.
I wouldn't pay no 500 bucks for a device with physical limitations of 16gb, (think iPad) but the nexus 7 sounds like an excellent value. I just don't like tablets, I have a gnex and a laptop (500gb $500 haha).
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Choose another line of devices that fill your needs.

Since I don't feel the unnecessary IMO urge to smush HD movies on my phone, I'm just fine.
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Generally it has a double effect
+for me it is more of the convenience not to have an SD card being inserted in and out all the time and most likely is predisposed to corrupting (Yes, I had the SGS I9000 from a few months ago and this was a pain in the arse,ok?!)
-I have my music collection in FLAC file format, so 5 albums is almost 3GB, and HD movies could be soo limited, why not flash a kernel that can enable USB OTG feature? I am thinking about it now

El Daddy said:
Choose another line of devices that fill your needs.
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That's the great thing about Android: choice. If you don't like the Nexus 7, you can buy another tablet that does have an SD card slot.

Stop whining about the lack of storage on the device. If you have a desktop/server at home that already stores a good portion of your movies/music, then learn how to set up a SAMBA/CIFS server. If you need something that doesn't require an internet connection, then get a Seagate Satellite or Kingston Wi-Drive.
Upgrading to massive amounts of local storage is an absolute waste of money on NAND devices. This is the primary reason why even Apple shies away from offering more than 64GB on the iPhone and iPad. You're looking at more than $4 per GB, which is almost five times as expensive as most consumer SSDs for desktops and laptops. For the same price of upgrading from a 16GB iPad to a 64GB, you can add 500GB of external storage instead with a Seagate Satellite.
Do you want to pay $500 for a 64GB Nexus 7?
Didn't think so.

16GB, don't bother me one bit. Cloud storage is where i went, and i'll never look back. Works just fine. All my movies are on drive. Music uploaded. pictures uploaded. No need for the extra. My phone stays with 10GB+ free all the time. When it gets below i simply delete a nandroid.
That being said I understand cloud storage doesn't work for everyone though

You bought the device knowing the limitation. You have every right not to.
If you knew you were going to need more than 32gb of storage and you bought something without and sd slot there is no one at fault but you. Quit crying about it, this has been going on forever now.

No one is forcing you to get a Nexus 7 tavlet. If it does not fulfill your needs in a tablet then buy something else instead of complaining over and over about it because they're not going to redo the hardware.
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earlyberd said:
Stop whining about the lack of storage on the device. If you have a desktop/server at home that already stores a good portion of your movies/music, then learn how to set up a SAMBA/CIFS server. If you need something that doesn't require an internet connection, then get a Seagate Satellite or Kingston Wi-Drive.
Upgrading to massive amounts of local storage is an absolute waste of money on NAND devices. This is the primary reason why even Apple shies away from offering more than 64GB on the iPhone and iPad. You're looking at more than $4 per GB, which is almost five times as expensive as most consumer SSDs for desktops and laptops. For the same price of upgrading from a 16GB iPad to a 64GB, you can add 500GB of external storage instead with a Seagate Satellite.
Do you want to pay $500 for a 64GB Nexus 7?
Didn't think so.
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*350$ if its double for 50$ that's what it would be, by Google's logic
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