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AT&T Comparison: Tilt 2 vs. LG Expo - Which do you prefer?

OK. So you guys had me all ready to pull the trigger on the Tilt 2. And now I see the LG Expo online at ATT (I am stuck with ATT because I am an employee). The Expo seems very comparable to the Tilt 2 and so I did more research. And now I am thoroughly undecided about which to get. I watched this demo video on youtube and am very intrigued. Also check out this one.
I am hoping some of you Tilt 2 users who also know about the LG Expo can give me your insight.
Below is what I have found as far as pros and cons for both. I have a spreadsheet below where I compared what I think are the most important features. I highlighted in green what I thought were clear advantages for both. And by the way, the projector for the LG is not a consideration for me...cool...but not for me.
Tilt 2 Winners: Larger screen, better keyboard, seemingly much better battery, incredible speaker phone functionality, and of course the tilting screen function
LG Expo Winners: 1 ghz processor, 5.0 MP camera, seemingly awesome touch sensor directional pad and fingerprint scanner, SD card accessible on side, HSPA 7.2 capable (but I do not consider this an advantage because by the time AT&T can actually provide that throughput, all phones will have it), S-class user interface (LG version of TF3D - it seems very customizable).
Tilt 2 Losers: No D-pad (I am a big one-handed user and I live on my d-pad), poor SD card access, zoom bar (from my experience the Zoom bar is a dud and thus a waste of space), giant audio adapter.
LG Losers: Battery, battery, battery (this could be a deal breaker...it needs more real world testing), no 3.5 jack.
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You might to add one more item to the Tilt 2's pro column: Latest and greatest custom ROMs by a lot of chefs.
I don't think that you'll have too many ROMs to flash (and the increased risk because there is no HardSPL for it) for the LG Expo.
I am jealous about the 1Gig processor though.

Anything LG is a loser in my opinion. Small electronics to appliances, their products and support blows.

Here we go again...
Entering to a Nike store and asking which is better from Nike and Rebook...
What will be the answer?
Seriously, even if lg has bigger processor I won´t trust in any other brand than HTC
Also XDA great support makes HTC to be my choice

battery talk time 8hrs vs 3.5hrs??? wth, is that a typo?? that would decide for me

I have never used my TP2 to talk 8hrs to test that but I can tell you my battery under a normal usage lasts almost 2 days
I´m quite happy with my Rhodium!!

in almost every way the htc device is better. it may not be better for you. but asking opinions in an very htc forum in a section where owners of the htc device look wont score opinions in the lgs favor. what ever device you wanna buy, buy it. but everyone here will say htc.

Hey ChasDun, I think this is more of the response you're looking for. I am also an ATT user and as far as smartphones I started with the Blackjack, went to the first Tilt, Fuze, now the Tilt2. Before I bought either of these phones I did a LOT of research to determine which, at the time, was a better phone.
The reason I just purchased the Tilt2 was because not only can you load custom ROMs which is a ridiculously huge advantage over most other non-HTC phones. Along with that, the Tilt2 has everything where it counts, and as a result it excells in operation, both as a phone and all the other operation. With the new 6.5.3 Windows Mobile everything is fast, smooth and stable enough to use as an everyday OS, as well as the fact that the performance of the phone is always getting better with every new build and driver that is released.
So in the end, if you purchase the LG, you're getting less function, a little more performance and a LOT less battery. So if this makes any sense, HTC = Function and other brands are still learning what it takes to build a really functional smartphone. (Unlike any other phone I've ever had, I use all the buttons on the Tilt2)
The lack of a directional pad isn't a big deal since the onscreen keyboard has one, but that is one of my few complaints about the phone (but I'm already over it)
In the end, though, I have to be fair and say I'm maybe a little bit biased because I couldn't imagine how much better the Tilt2 was an improvement over the Fuze, but for whatever reason the performance and functionality are a few steps over the Fuze.
Hope this helps!

Thanks to those of you who gave thoughtful answers. I know it's too early to tell how good or bad the LG will be. But I know that many of you on here are way more informed about new devices like this than I am. I also am very aware that posting this in the xda forums is going to have an HTC bias. But that's what I want. I have owned a half dozen HTCs over the years and I am basically wanting to hear some strong reasons why I should take the Tilt over the eXpo. But most people on here are also intelligent enough to admit the cons of the Tilt as well as the potential pros of another device like the LG.
singhnx said:
You might to add one more item to the Tilt 2's pro column: Latest and greatest custom ROMs by a lot of chefs.
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I hear ya on that. I have taken advantage of these in the past. Unfortunately since this will be my ATT work phone I won't be able to flash new ROMs on my Tilt 2.
khaytsus said:
Anything LG is a loser in my opinion. Small electronics to appliances, their products and support blows.
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Understood. But by not giving it a chance you may miss out on an incredible device. Large companies like LG have entirely different teams working on phones than TVs than Ranges, etc. So maybe this team knocked it out of the park. Who knows?
The Jack of Clubs said:
in almost every way the htc device is better...but asking opinions in an very htc forum in a section where owners of the htc device look wont score opinions in the lgs favor.
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Jack, in your extensive use of the LG eXpo you found that that the Tilt was better in almost every way? Elaborate? I have been frequenting these forums since my old Blue Angel days. I give most of the xda'ers more credit that they can give unbiased opinions and other insights that would be helpful in a case like this. Most of these guys are phone freaks and although HTC is king, many of them know a lot about devices in general.
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Hey ChasDun, I think this is more of the response you're looking for...
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Thanks Sellitus. It is exactly the type of response I was hoping for - actual facts and opinions based on experience. I don't think LG or ATT has done a good job marketing this phone. The TP2 is on every U.S. carrier so it got big buzz. But I think that the LG eXpo will slowly win a lot of people over with some of its fresh ideas (and again I am not alluding to the projector). I agree that HTC has the experience where it counts. My old Treo 750 still puts my friends' new iPhones and Blackberrys to shame with performance and versatility. But also, every HTC I have owned has had a few kinks worthy of improvement. So I am never going to turn a blind eye towards a newcomer. Basically the online reviews and demos will tell the story over the next few months. I want to believe that the LG can do everything that it touts as well as it says. I am glad to hear you say that the d-pad is not a hard issue to get past with the Tilt.
Hopefully others will chime in with their experiences. These 2 phones on AT&T are obviously marketed at the same audience with very little to differentiate them to the untrained eye.

the screen keyboard and battery life are all better. where it falls is the processor and camera. if you prefer the expo then go buy it. but you wont be convincing anyone here.

The Jack of Clubs said:
the screen keyboard and battery life are all better.
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Jack, what about the LG keyboard did you think was inferior during your testing of the eXpo? Some of the hands-on reviews say the LG keyboard is the best part.

While I can't give you experience based on testing the eXpo, I can give you my experience on a non-LG WinMo phone.
My first WinMo phone was the Samsung SCH-i760. I loved it at first, and number pad was amazing for use in Excel, but once I wanted to customize it, it all went to crap.
S2U2 was buggy at best. I got it to work once, but when the touchscreen failed, I could not get it working on my next phone. It would drain the battery and crash constantly.
Next I tried GridLock. It crashed as well. Lock software just didn't agree with my phone at all.
I used to see my friends with their TP1s loving all these cool apps, and me stuck in the dust because my failure of a phone could barely run most of the XDA-Apps.
So, if I buy a WM phone, it's going to be an HTC, or a phone that has a lot of support from XDA, because I know the HTC phones have a huge following.
If you don't care about a lot of the apps that are posted here, and just want Opera Mini, Skyfire (which should be awesome on the 1 GHz Processor), and MortPlayer, then grab the LG; the projector is awesome! I happen to like LG phones. My mother and fiance have nothing but good things to say about them in terms of reliability and functionality.
I hope this helps.

the keyboard on the touch pro 2 is what makes the device. it has the best keyboard of any phone. much better than the lg expo.

honestly my past 3 phones were from htc. i had the 8125, the tilt and the fuze. now i just bought the lg expo got it this morning. im super glad i got this over the tilt 2. the tilt 2 is nice, it has a nice big screen, but i like the expo over it. the 1ghz processor is nice, it doesnt slow down when i run like 3 different programs at a time like my fuze did. and i did use custom roms, so far though this stock lg rom is better then any custom rom i used on my fuze. the speed is amazing. also the camera is much better then on the tilt 2. the keyboard is a bit different its not something im use to exactly but i will be in no time. i've been on this forum since my 8125 and it sucks that i cant get updates for the expo on here but im still happy with my phone regardless.

ChasDun said:
Understood. But by not giving it a chance you may miss out on an incredible device. Large companies like LG have entirely different teams working on phones than TVs than Ranges, etc. So maybe this team knocked it out of the park. Who knows?
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Nope, I'm a fan of "Vote with your money".

They certainly are different..my problem is similar!
I have gotten a LG IQ (the Canadian Equivalent of the eXpo) and I do like it. I am still within my 14 days, so may exchange it for a Touch Pro 2...it is a hard decision...
Comments on the eXpo:
to update your comparison
1) the docs and software DO support TV out but I haven't found a cable yet.
2) the FM radio is functional, but requires a headphone or TV out cable as the antenna.
The projector will be very cool I expect when it is released.
I have no complaints about the keyboard.
With the faster processor, the LG is heads and shoulders faster than the Touch Pro I replaced - and I am talking with new custom roms on the HTC product. The TP2 is slightly faster than the TP, but the Snapdragon frankly blows the slower processors away. Every program snaps in a way that it did not on the HTC.
The S Class UI is very different to the TF3D on the HTC but they both have their strengths and weaknesses.
The fingerprint reader really does work...and fast enough that I use it when I never did take the time to use a password. This is probably a good thing given the 500+ confidential contacts I have on my phone all the time. If you could never bother to use some sort of security with your phone, this one might get you to, without any pain.
The build quality on the LG is superior to the HTC Touch Pro., I don't know about the Touch Pro 2. With my Touch Pro, the "black chrome" was always flaking, and I returned 3 of them for warranty repairs. The chrome on the LG seems to me more likely to stand up, but only time will tell.
The internet experience is far faster with the new network and processor - but I am on the Telus network and your results may vary.
For me, the only thing that makes it at all close is the custom ROM support, which I am sure will be better for the HTC. And that is why I am having a hard time deciding. At first I hated the S class UI. But it is growing on me.
Good luck with your decision...I don't know what mine will be but I am leaning toward the LG...ever so slightly. And I have to decide by Friday.
cheers

im super happy with my expo and in no time custom roms will be out I can't wait.

I LOVE MY TILT 2 ............
The End ......

Thanks to all who have replied with intelligent responses. The big hang up with me is still the lack of the d-pad. I see it is also sorely missed by some Tilt 2 users since there are many threads regarding Zoom Bar and Volume Keys as faux d-pads with dozens of posts. But there are mixed reviews on the eXpos touch sensor as a decent d-pad. So the jury is out on that one. If ATT would ever actually get the device in the stores I will just give it a trial.
The whole UI thing is a moot point to me. I have tried most everything from TF3d to iPhone to Blackberry to Symbian to Android to Widgets to Winterface to SPB Mobile Shell. And they all come with a compromise, be it speed, lack of full customization or poor usability. So I am over the "sexy" argument. I have been using SPB Pocket Plus for years now and it has made every WinMo phone I have owned incredibly useful. I can add as many tabs as I need and fully customize the home screen. And the tiny footprint doesn't take anything away from performance. Sure, it's not as sexy as what many others have on their devices, but its more functional.
BTW, I am puzzled by why people like Jack of Clubs and 69Pwned post things that have no actual value in the threads. Now I see how some people get so many posts to their name. If you can't intelligently discuss the OP then please don't bother and move on to something else. It's just a waste of our time. Anytime someone blindly says "this is better than everything else" when they have never tried "everything else", it just makes us ignore anything you say in the future. I have owned 4 HTC devices in a row and loved them all. But I am not narrow-minded enough to not want and explore other avenues. How can your keyboard be better than the one on a device you have never set hands on?

ChasDun said:
BTW, I am puzzled by why people like Jack of Clubs and 69Pwned post things that have no actual value in the threads.
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thanks for the mention. i just dont think people appreciate phone comparison threads. most of the mods lock them. youve made up your mind that youre going to buy the lg before your first post. you dont have to try to convince us its a better phone. and no name calling or i wont give you a treemas day present!

[Q] For Current WP7 owners Will you "upgrade" to second gen WP7?

after looking at the next gen specs, are any current wp7 owners going to upgrade to next gen? or wait a bit longer till we get some real phones?

I upgraded because I wanted the improved camera and bigger screen on the Titan, but I could understand people being happy with their mango~fied first gen devices

....I am not going to upgrade my device, at least not for immediately. My contract is still running for another 10 month. I am very happy with my HTC Mozart, I got my 2 updates and will certainly get at least one more (Tango) or even Apollo. The device works smooth and stable like on the first day. It's faster then most of the latest 2core Android devices. It's the first time I am not nervously checking the market for new devices while being half way through my contract. So here I am, sitting back very relaxed and I will wait and see what new WP7 devices will be available next year at this same time....

not giving ATT the pleasure! I love the Samsung Focus it has been dev unlocked since the beginning , but buying a new means added expense to the contract and the specs of the new phones dont change enough to warrant the new purchase!

I need to be WOW'ed and as of now I am not WOW'ed with the current offerings of 2nd gen WP7 devices.
If this all we are getting, I'll stick with my first gen device (Trophy) for a little longer...
Never mind that I am on a CDMA carrier and my choices are VERY limited right now.

Going to switch to android galaxy nexus until windows 8 apollo comes out.
Not impressed with the quality of apps on windows phone. But highly impressed with the OS itself. So will wait for microsoft to attract more support.

I expect my Samsung Focus to last 2 more years. It's smooth and does pretty everything I want. I learned from moving from 3mp to 5mp cell phone camera is the number is irrelevant. Most cellphones just have ****ty cameras, rather just buy a real camera.

As much as I like the metro UI and the performance of the current devices I can't really see WP7 being overly desirable in comparison to other platforms. The marketplace is locked down, with a very limited number of applications. If given the choice of upgrading to a gen 2 device I would switch to Android hands down.
All feelings aside, I'm glad to see the Chevron project making progress. Microsoft needs to loosen up they're grip on the marketplace submission criteria.

karan1203 said:
Going to switch to android galaxy nexus until windows 8 apollo comes out.
Not impressed with the quality of apps on windows phone. But highly impressed with the OS itself. So will wait for microsoft to attract more support.
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Then just support the OS, who cares about apps?
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JustinTV773 said:
Then just support the OS, who cares about apps?
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Who doesn't care about apps?
You're sadly out of touch.
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N8ter said:
Who doesn't care about apps?
You're sadly out of touch.
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You are out of touch too my friend, there are many people I know who do not care about apps, be they iphone users, andoid users, BB users or WP users. There is a huge demographic out there who have smartphones simply because they think they are the cool thing to have, they may use email, they may use BBM, they may use Siri but they rarely is ever use apps. Of course there is another HUGE demographic that DO use apps (myself included), who do care about the size of their relevant app store. I even know one old guy who bought himself a Desire HD because he "liked the look of it" and only uses it for calls and texts. I set him a Gmail account up for the phone but he never even uses that, then there is my aunt who has an iphone 3G and never switches the blasted thing on because she is "saving the battery" in case she needs to make an emergency call, or there is the girl who works for me who only uses her Blackberry for BBM and taking pictures and thats it - trust me, at least 50% of the people I know who own smartphones could get by with a feature phone for all the use they get out of them, but they go into the phone retailers and have expensive smartphones shoved down their throats by pushy sales staff - tragic!!

Anecdotal "evidence" is meaningless. Don't cite "I know many people who.." as proof of anything. Statistics have proven that for iPhones, the average user (as of last January) has 88 apps downloaded and installed on their phone (in addition to the 20 apps that are pre-installed). Certainly, that means that some people have fewer than that number, but it also means that some people have far more.

Exactly. On my iTouch I have over 30 useful third party apps not counting games. On android I have even more (had that device longer). On WP7 I have less than 10 because there simply isn't much worthwhile to get from there. I'm not counting stock and own apps that would be baked into the ROM on other platforms anyways.
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As I posted elsewhere I've been eligible for upgrade for 3 months but I wanted 32GB or nothing. My choices were:
- Upgrade and live with 16GB (could probably get a Lumia 800 for free)
- Upgrade to android/iOS
- Do not upgrade and get a PMP to use alongside my 1st gen phone
It will be annoying to carry two devices but I opted for a Zune HD. The good thing is that I can now cancel my contract and wait until there's a proper phone to upgrade to as the new batch is worthless. With Pay As You Go I won't be tied to any carrier and will even be able to jump ship if the 3rd gen isn't better.

Peew971 said:
As I posted elsewhere I've been eligible for upgrade for 3 months but I wanted 32GB or nothing. My choices were:
- Upgrade and live with 16GB (could probably get a Lumia 800 for free)
- Upgrade to android/iOS
- Do not upgrade and get a PMP to use alongside my 1st gen phone
It will be annoying to carry two devices but I opted for a Zune HD. The good thing is that I can now cancel my contract and wait until there's a proper phone to upgrade to as the new batch is worthless. With Pay As You Go I won't be tied to any carrier and will even be able to jump ship if the 3rd gen isn't better.
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I expect things to radically improve in the next year. MS just hired a Samsung VP to run WP. You know what you get when you put a Korean in control of a smartphone division? Fantastic toys! Think about it like it's Samsung having all that MS dough to come up with amazing products.

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Then just support the OS, who cares about apps?
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I do ?
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Who doesn't care about apps?
You're sadly out of touch.
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Leaving an OS over 10% of apps is pointless. WMPU did an article that claim that 90% of the most wanted apps from other platforms are now on WP. Just because a certain app isn't available it is not the fault of MS but more the fault of the developer of the app and should not be cause to leave.
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RoboDad said:
Anecdotal "evidence" is meaningless. Don't cite "I know many people who.." as proof of anything. Statistics have proven that for iPhones, the average user (as of last January) has 88 apps downloaded and installed on their phone (in addition to the 20 apps that are pre-installed). Certainly, that means that some people have fewer than that number, but it also means that some people have far more.
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If you want stats, here are some stats,
According to Neilsen, the average smartphone user has 22 apps (37 on iphone)
According to Localytics 1 in 4 downloaded apps are used once then discarded
Again according to Neilsen, the most used apps are Facebook, Google Maps and the Weather Channel (all available on WP7).
According to COMScore (Feb 2011), Users prefer to use mobile web over apps, 34.4% used apps in the USA versus 28% in Europe versus 53% Japan. I am not saying that apps are not important, they clearly are very important, but they are not the be all and end all.

This is a genuine question - how many games does the average smartphone user have? And how many of the top played games are on WP?
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This is a genuine question - how many games does the average smartphone user have? And how many of the top played games are on WP?
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I have no idea how many games the average smartphone user has, I have one game, as for top games, the top on the iPAD (I have no iPhone) are bike baron, trivial pursuit, angry birds, sonic and sea All stars racing and aquaria, perhaps someone else can furnish the top games on android.

Laptop Dock

Sorry if this has been discussed before! I searched and didn't come across a similar thread.
Just curious to see what people think and know about Samsung releasing a laptop dock akin to that which was released for the Motorola Atrix as well as the Asus Transformer attachment. I always thought it was a neat idea and with the horsepower commonly found in today's smart/super phones, I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.
I'm sure most of you are familiar with the concept. If not, this is what it basically looks like:
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Anyways, I'm asking because I see a lot of people on here that like to use their Notes as more than a phone; whether it's by connecting it to a TV/monitor via an MHL connector or plugging in extra USB accessories (mice, storage, etc).
What do you guys think? Will Samsung do something like this? Would you guys use it if it were available?

No and No. Phones still don't have enough processing power to rpelace a laptop (trust me, i owned an Atrix and a lapdock for 6 months, using it daily), and very few people would buy an accessory to a phone that is already made to faciliate the use as "more than just a phone" in it's natural form factor.

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OMG that is amazing. RedFly done properly. The Note already has both the power and resolution to run as a laptop. I for one would love it. I just bought a collapsable bluetooth keyboard to type better when I'm in a cafe
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I'll just leave this here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NcHgSY3xYLo#!
BTW, we don't have enough processing power for phones to replace your laptop.
Nor do we have the battery technology to provide an acceptable use.
Nor do we have the software in place to handle these properly.
...in short this is possible with today's technology but VERY VERY quirky, and definitely not worth having.
2 years ago I drafted a proposal for accomplishing this task: To manufacture an Omnia (one do it all device) and my conclusion was for 2 modular devices.
1) Superphone/Smartphone which does most tasks:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=951027#post951027
2) A tablet which converts into an Ultrabook:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921388post&p=921372
P.S. You can some of my ideas have made their way into actual devices today, such as the Dell Streak, XPlay, Lenovo Yoga, and ASUS Transformer.
(P.S. Those are the latest ones I've posted, they evolved from a long line of mock ups that dates back ~2years. I did update both a while ago but haven't posted up, if there is demand I'll post those up too)

Viamonte said:
No and No. Phones still don't have enough processing power to rpelace a laptop
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Statements like this do amuse me!
Something like the Note has more power than laptops that were state of the art 7 years ago. People managed to use these for real work "back in the day".
The problem is that most of the productivity apps have become too heavy weight, and for 95% of users they probably only use a fraction of the functionality.
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Windows is a big pile of poo that eats resources as its primary mission. Back when I was a student the uni had a 266MHz DEC Alpha that had 400 users on it at any time. It had a monster 4GB of hard drive space and 512MB RAM running DEC UNIX.
My Galaxy Note has similar power! My Commodore 64 had a lot less power and it was great for word processing. But unlike the Note, there was no way it could play 1080p video (with MHL adapter) to a monitor or play 3d games. We hold awesome computing power in our hands. Efficient code (c++ from NDK not Java from SDK) on this phone will kill the need for a laptop.
Android is Linux. And that means it's 5 times as fast as if it ran Windows. Five times is not an exageration. It really is slower than that.

foxmeister said:
Statements like this do amuse me!
Something like the Note has more power than laptops that were state of the art 7 years ago. People managed to use these for real work "back in the day".
The problem is that most of the productivity apps have become too heavy weight, and for 95% of users they probably only use a fraction of the functionality.
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In case you haven't noticed we are in 2012.
Times change and so does the needs of society.
Personal Computing has come a long way from 7 years ago, hell from 3 years ago if you know the industry.
Obviously you were nitpicking one comment of mine.
Yes, it can *be* a laptop and do tasks, but it would much less efficient than using an actual laptop, therefore (by definition) not upto the task!

My Asus Transformer runs like a laptop just fine. I doubt the note would be worse .

PurpleMelbourne said:
Windows is a big pile of poo that eats resources as its primary mission.
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PurpleMelbourne said:
Android is Linux. And that means it's 5 times as fast as if it ran Windows. Five times is not an exageration. It really is slower than that.
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/smh
/reads again
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E_man5112 said:
My Asus Transformer runs like a laptop just fine. I doubt the note would be worse .
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Exactly! Bigger screen attachment, then it could run the tab version of ics. Then, apps for tab mode that are better like quickoffice could be used. The tab version of ics (also sorta honeycomb) is a step closer to a full blown laptop, as they are starting to do toned down processes like "hardcore" word processing (that you can actually save in spots and move it ha apple). I know the note has no ics yet, but im talking for the future.

You can run Ubuntu Linux with MHL video adaptor for 1920 x 1080 video and bluetooth keyboard and mouse. You then have a windowing computer with Firefox, Open Office, VLC video and a few other things on screen at the same time.
I'm looking forward to trying it out when I can afford a 64GB SDHC card.

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Obviously you were nitpicking one comment of mine.
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I think you will find I directly quoted an earlier poster, but either way adding to a discussion isn't nitpicking! So, obviously not!
Yes, it can *be* a laptop and do tasks, but it would much less efficient than using an actual laptop, therefore (by definition) not upto the task!
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Rather missed the point here didn't get you?
Yes, using a phone as a laptop would be less efficient, but take the Note and stick it in an Atrix style dock, and run a lightweight flavour of Linux, and it becomes much more efficient in that role. I wouldn't want to compile applications on it, but given most business users only tend to use laptops for document creation, email, and web browsing, what you would have is certainly up to that task.
The point is that the hardware is more than capable.
Regards,
Dave
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Yea, I think you're spot on about the device being more than capable of running a lightweight Linux distro.
For me personally, I carry around my laptop right now for school purposes. Making diagrams, light photo editing, productivity suite (Office), etc. If I could just carry around something similar to the lapdock, that would be awesome.
I think there is a market for this since, as someone mentioned above, a lot of users need a laptop for very basic use (web, email, productivity). I'm surprised that Samsung hasn't attempted this yet for their awesome phone lineup.

foxmeister said:
Statements like this do amuse me!
Something like the Note has more power than laptops that were state of the art 7 years ago. People managed to use these for real work "back in the day".
The problem is that most of the productivity apps have become too heavy weight, and for 95% of users they probably only use a fraction of the functionality.
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Dave
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Then why don't you try using a computer with 7 year old software and tell me how your experience went?

I am actually developing this exact thing right now. Stay tuned!
Sincerely,
John Andrus
livi design

Oh ya, and it'll be MHL compatible with 40 phones right from the get go.
Well, I was wondering when someone would force my hand lol. I look forward to sharing my device with you all. I'll have a contest to beta test it and give out several of em.
So I'm not really ready to announce anything, so can you guys keep it to xda?
John Andrus
livi design

andjohn said:
Oh ya, and it'll be MHL compatible with 40 phones right from the get go.
Well, I was wondering when someone would force my hand lol. I look forward to sharing my device with you all. I'll have a contest to beta test it and give out several of em.
So I'm not really ready to announce anything, so can you guys keep it to xda?
John Andrus
livi design
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Something like that would be pretty neat.
openSUSE is my fav distro, rpm > deb. Which is why the delay, restraint and murder of MeeGo was one of the worst things of 2011.
I might be able to help once things get to beta (i really cant afford to brick the NOTE).

Viamonte said:
Then why don't you try using a computer with 7 year old software and tell me how your experience went?
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So.... how many people here are still running Windows XP? How many enterprises still use Windows XP as their primary client OS? (Hint - look here)
Virtually all enterprises still use XP and Office 2007, and I've seen a few that are still using Office 2003.
Now ask yourself - how old is Windows XP?
Whilst it has obviously been updated over the years, for the most part a PC that ran XP 7 years ago, could still run XP equally well today, even with the latest service packs applied and the user experience is practically unchanged.
In the server space, I'd be willing to bet that Windows Server 2003 installations outnumber later versions, and ditto SQL Server 2005.
In terms of hardware, my late 2010 model Macbook Air, which I use on almost a daily basis for real work has a Core 2 Duo CPU inside, which is an architecture that dates from 2006.
Software hasn't moved on as far as most people would like to think - Wirth's law still very much applies!
Regards,
Dave

Not just windows, the version of office is usually 2003 or even older. The problem aren't those. Using a 7 yo SAP must be a nightmare with krueger, or internet explorer 6 (i can vouch for this one, it was the version i my office). But the hole goes deeper. The fact your Core 2 duo is from 2006 only serves to demonstrate old pcs were stll light years ahead of our Note. Try 2002 and then maybe we're equaling things.
Sent from my NotePhone

My Pentium 4c 2.4GHZ with Hyper threading runs XP SP3 perfectly well and is MORE than capable of doing everything I would be doing on the go. Asking why someone would want this kind of accessory for there Note is like asking why people by Netbooks or Tablets..... Jeeze. People sure seem to get a lot done with those on the go. My ancient computer described before easily outperforms any experience with a netbook i have had and id rather use a tablet than either... So this device makes sense... although I personally would rather just go get an Asus Transformer Prime myself....
But there is a reason Asus is developing the Padphone thing.... some people arnt savy enough or want to deal with the added time of a file transfering process that is neccesary with two devices.
P.S. Pardon the spelling mistakes. Had to type this up quick

Contemplating switching from iPhone to Lumia 900...

I've been on iOS for years. Ever since my first Jailbreak, unlock, and IPA modding experiences I have loved iDevices. I had Windows mobile in the past and couldn't stand it. After reading about people praising the new Windows phone I wonder what people who have experienced both OS's think. I'm deployed right now but read some articles in my free time about the Lumia 900 and thought that maybe it would be a good time to give Windows another shot when I get home.
So if you have a lot of experience with both OS's which do you prefer? I'm not a fan boy of iOS by any means, it's just what I'm used to after so long.
I realize this post is based a bit more on the OS but that's really what will make or break my decision on purchasing the Lumia 900.

well i use an ipad running ios5 and samsung focus. I personally prefer the interface and like the "metro" style for apps over ios. ios is simple but i think it is "stupid" easy interface while windows phone is simple but not "stupid easy". The os seems more dynamic as is the xbox interface is nice. One thing i like is i can choose themes, which are a colors you can choose and most apps and everyone will become that color. I think that is a neat feature. So i say get the nokia lumia 900 as it is one of the only phones that matches the iphones build quality, design and ease of use(all windows phones). With over 65k apps and counting i dont think there is much of an app problem.

I agree, iOS is about as user friendly as an operating system can get. It never fails to amaze me when someone asks me to help them use a feature on their iPhone or look at my phone and ask how I did whatever it is that caught their attention.
Windows mobile, in the past, just did not flow well and from the demos I've seen on recent phones they've taken care of that.
How well do the Lumias hold up with multiple apps running in the background?

Best Bomb Tech said:
I agree, iOS is about as user friendly as an operating system can get. It never fails to amaze me when someone asks me to help them use a feature on their iPhone or look at my phone and ask how I did whatever it is that caught their attention.
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Bull****. Thats what you could sayfor iOS before WP7 came out. And now we can say it for WP7, until something (new)better comes out.
Saying that OS is made the best way possible is stupid and short sighted.
Best Bomb Tech said:
Windows mobile, in the past, just did not flow well and from the demos I've seen on recent phones they've taken care of that.
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Bull****. Talking like WM and WP is the same thing, just fixed, is like saying that OSX is just fixed Ubuntu.
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How well do the Lumias hold up with multiple apps running in the background?
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Like any other modern phone OS; they don't.
Windows Phone supports background tasks like push mail, music, social networking etc. Applications are stopped when pushed to the background but they resume in a second or more - depends on the app.

Windows phone 7 disappoints me in these ways.
1. I feel confined. All my apps are not available.
2. multitasking fail(s). Apps close when put in the background. e.g. If you are navigating using Nokia's Drive app, and then check your email - the drive app closes and you lose your navigation.
3. home screen customization. not AS BAD as iOS, but you still are limited in what you can see / do from the homescreen. Live tiles are great, but the whole thing pales in comparison to what you can do with android.
Overall, I love the smoothness, intuitiveness, the look and feel, and especially the hardware of the lumia 800 (900 is likely to be the same), but I can't help but have a bad taste in my mouth after using it for a day.
if you are content with using iOS, you may find WP7 to be a very nice change. Coming from Android, I get tired of not being able to control and customize everything my phone does. Just my 2 cents! =)

It handles the backgrounds task just fine, it is just some apps dont suport multitasking ans you have to wait for them to reload but that is it. Also a large majority of apps are mango apps.

lovenokia said:
It handles the backgrounds task just fine, it is just some apps dont suport multitasking ans you have to wait for them to reload but that is it. Also a large majority of apps are mango apps.
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Yeah I think a lot of people don't understand that it is the app which needs to behave correctly in the new fake-multitasking environment. It's not M$'s fault that some apps still haven't implemented it properly.

Unicode Support
Does this version of Windows mobile with Nokia Lumia (I presume it is Windows Mango) support Unicode fonts... I am already fed up with seeing boxes for my Tamil language..

i am not sure

foxfire235 said:
Windows phone 7 disappoints me in these ways.
1. I feel confined. All my apps are not available.
2. multitasking fail(s). Apps close when put in the background. e.g. If you are navigating using Nokia's Drive app, and then check your email - the drive app closes and you lose your navigation.
3. home screen customization. not AS BAD as iOS, but you still are limited in what you can see / do from the homescreen. Live tiles are great, but the whole thing pales in comparison to what you can do with android.
Overall, I love the smoothness, intuitiveness, the look and feel, and especially the hardware of the lumia 800 (900 is likely to be the same), but I can't help but have a bad taste in my mouth after using it for a day.
if you are content with using iOS, you may find WP7 to be a very nice change. Coming from Android, I get tired of not being able to control and customize everything my phone does. Just my 2 cents! =)
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I've just spent the better part of 2 years with Android. Though I've also owned the venue pro and hd7, my primary phone was android. I've recently come back to windows phone. I have the lumia 710, waiting for the 900 release. Though I to get the confined feeling, what helps me get by is the windows phone just works. My last 3 androids were plagued by data connection and wifi issues. Rooting and custom rooms introduced their own issues. No matter what anyone said s, there are stability issues when rooting and Modding. Period! My current Droid is the bionic. In all its dual core glory, side by side with the 710, my little low end, cheap ass T-Mobile phone works like a beast beside the bionic. Ive given up my hacking and slashing days, for now. I think the 900 will be just fine.

alodar1 said:
Though I to get the confined feeling, what helps me get by is the windows phone just works. My last 3 androids were plagued by data connection and wifi issues.
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I was just thinking about this this morning, about how I am looking forward to trying a windows phone, and guessing that it probably "just works".
Though I will say, I am trying an android custom ROM right now called "Ligux" - it was developed by Chinese... it has the most reliable wireless connections - Wifi/mobile/even bluetooth - than any other ROM I've tried. It's done right.

jettrue said:
I was just thinking about this this morning, about how I am looking forward to trying a windows phone, and guessing that it probably "just works".
Though I will say, I am trying an android custom ROM right now called "Ligux" - it was developed by Chinese... it has the most reliable wireless connections - Wifi/mobile/even bluetooth - than any other ROM I've tried. It's done right.
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I doubt anyone can say, "it just works", and be able to say its a true statement. All electronics have issues in some way or form. From iPhone antenna gate, to data connections dropping, these forums are filled with issues people come across, in their particular world.
Custom roms are something else. Why custom roms? I suspect someone wanted to see just what open source could do, or rather, what one could do with open source. As problems cropped up, these 'cooks' started to see if they could fix something. And so on. I think now we're at a stage where its, look what I did. Custom rooms don't always mean better. In fact they usually aren't. But some, demonstrate what can be done...and its great to watch and play with. I walked into at&t this morning to pay a bill. It was galaxy note day. Its 5.1" of where will I put it. Its great to look at, but..I can't use it. There is no pocket stuffing this thing. He proceeded to tell me about android. I pulled out my bionic and talked with him. Then I pulled out my 710 and showed him a good alternative.
I'm giving up my bionic for the 900, if, it feels great in my hand. I know there are cool things the bionic can do. There are cool things the 900 can do too. I think the best thing to realize is, find those things you don't like as quickly as possible, and decide if you can live with them. If you can't, send them back. If you can, then, cool. Don't buy any phone based on a future patch, ability to jailbreak or root, or any app that might come out 'soon'. Buy the phone based on what you see and feel in your hand, right now. Take it home to try it out...that's $35 for 2 weeks. After 2 weeks, its 2 yrs or $350 to fix the mistake...
The 710 has shown me that nokia, even a low end nokia, with mango, can hang with some of the big boys. My friends at Microsoft tell me, what's on the horizon is even better. I can't wait.

When you go from iphone to Lumia you will lose your proprietary data connection. To some this is not an issue but to others it actually limits the ability of your phone.
You won't be walking in to a retail store and buying "the next coolest dock/speaker" as your phone has no such connector, is limited in design and highly limited in buyers.
I am on WP but everytime I see a new JBL speaker or some cool dock that works on the iphone I get bummed.
Today in the Nokia MWC they showed off their phone with ala a top data connection. So a nice desktop dock means I have to turn the phone upside down or connect some damn wire instead of just clicking in.
TEH LAME

Thresher said:
When you go from iphone to Lumia you will lose your proprietary data connection. To some this is not an issue but to others it actually limits the ability of your phone.
You won't be walking in to a retail store and buying "the next coolest dock/speaker" as your phone has no such connector, is limited in design and highly limited in buyers.
I am on WP but everytime I see a new JBL speaker or some cool dock that works on the iphone I get bummed.
Today in the Nokia MWC they showed off their phone with ala a top data connection. So a nice desktop dock means I have to turn the phone upside down or connect some damn wire instead of just clicking in.
TEH LAME
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Yeah, true. But how many docks or speakers do you connect to during any day? For me, I connect to power and but during commute to the office. Then nothing until the ride home. Just don't have the opportunity to plug in much during a day.
But good thing to think about...

alodar1 said:
Yeah, true. But how many docks or speakers do you connect to during any day? For me, I connect to power and but during commute to the office. Then nothing until the ride home. Just don't have the opportunity to plug in much during a day.
But good thing to think about...
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I get in and out of my car a lot in a day and the phone goes with me. Two plug ins every time and it isn't just a 'click n go'. Cry for me!

I love WP7, it's simply beautiful and works as you expect. Tried iOS, Android 4.0 and did not like them, used because I had to.
My only complain is the lack of separatre volume control for the music/system, which I hope is coming with Tango update.

EgoMaximus said:
I love WP7, it's simply beautiful and works as you expect. Tried iOS, Android 4.0 and did not like them, used because I had to.
My only complain is the lack of separatre volume control for the music/system, which I hope is coming with Tango update.
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Don't count on that for Tango. Tango appears to be a side way update for a different hardware set. Should not consider it as any type of upgrade or update for Mango. Though there will be bug fixes introduced first in Tango, before they get to Mango, ie, the MMS bug fix has already been announced as a Tango first release, before it hits others, I would not be looking at Tango to introduce new features on existing and new NON Tango hardware. For medium to Hi End hardware, the next great leap, I think, will be Apollo and beyond.

Lumia 900 vs Skyrocket

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2402556,00.asp
Went through the article where they compared the new windows phone flagship to our phone's twin brother.
What's everyone's thoughts on WP?
I've always gotten Nokia phones, solid and reliable (Still have my E63, my reliable backup! Smartphone with 5 days battery ). But once symbian died and iOS+Android began dominating I switched to android. I wish Nokia had joined the Android train but they didn't...but I've played with and seen all the stuff about WP, and I think it could be a promising competitor if Nokia and Microsoft play their cards right.
But for now...the t989 and Skyrocket win in my book in terms of performance, utility, and apps. But having used FB and Twitter integration, and seeing how snappy it is with even a single core, and most importantly MS Office...I would have to say in those aspects WP definitely has a leg up on Android and iOS...
It will be interesting to see if in 2 years when my contract expires and it's time for an upgrade weather WP will have matured enough for me to defect...and if Nokia still builds rock-solid phones like it used to...it may not be an argument of if, but if I can even wait for my contract to expire .
Thoughts please, no flames!

Windows phones suck...period.
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By the way - it's Lumia 900 - the Lumina is a Chevy...
I've put some major thought into this, so I hope you truly consider my response. I've actually had the opportunity to hold and play with the Lumia 900 unlike mr. Windows phone sucks comment above me.
If you're going to go AT&T no matter what, you can ignore my first con.
Cons for the Lumia 900
1. AT&T!!!
2. As far as I know - Nokia drive is not included. (Not really sure - just from seeing review unit videos on other sites)
3. Zero google support on WP7. This is a huge downer for me - especially since I rely on Google voice for everything, but this also includes maps, google+, docs, etc. Although gmail and google calendar sync fine and there are third party alternatives to some.
4. I own a mac and wp7 phones tend to not play very nice sometimes - even with wp7 connector.
5. It's pretty heavy compared to my t989.
6. WP7 notifications bug me. So does the status bar.
7. Lack of apps (you already know this it seems)
8. Windows phone gets boring after about a month. The smooth animations and transitions only hold your attention for so long. I started with Android, switched to windows, went back to android, back to windows, back to Android to stay unless windows does something amazing.
9. Locked down. Including not being able to send files to a friend (besides pictures)
Pros
1. Sick looking phone. Sleek and gorgeous. Beautiful design.
2. $99
3. WP7.5 is a darn nice phone OS - sleek and smooth. Beautiful animations. Quick links to common tasks. They did a lot of good in this release - but it still has it's quirks.
4. Carl Zeiss 8MP cam. Should make for some beautiful shots.
5. Screen is gorgeous. Bright, vivid, clearblack. Best screen I've ever seen on a WP7 phone and a great size too.
6. Odd, but convenient power button placement
7. The Lumia 900 is what Windows phone should have started with. At the price point and the great hardware, this is a contender phone.
Take it for what it's worth. Had my hands on one about a week ago.

zigfreid5 said:
By the way - it's Lumia 900 - the Lumina is a Chevy...
I've put some major thought into this, so I hope you truly consider my response. I've actually had the opportunity to hold and play with the Lumia 900 unlike mr. Windows phone sucks comment above me.
If you're going to go AT&T no matter what, you can ignore my first con.
Cons for the Lumia 900
1. AT&T!!!
2. As far as I know - Nokia drive is not included. (Not really sure - just from seeing review unit videos on other sites)
3. Zero google support on WP7. This is a huge downer for me - especially since I rely on Google voice for everything, but this also includes maps, google+, docs, etc. Although gmail and google calendar sync fine and there are third party alternatives to some.
4. I own a mac and wp7 phones tend to not play very nice sometimes - even with wp7 connector.
5. It's pretty heavy compared to my t989.
6. WP7 notifications bug me. So does the status bar.
7. Lack of apps (you already know this it seems)
8. Windows phone gets boring after about a month. The smooth animations and transitions only hold your attention for so long. I started with Android, switched to windows, went back to android, back to windows, back to Android to stay unless windows does something amazing.
9. Locked down. Including not being able to send files to a friend (besides pictures)
Pros
1. Sick looking phone. Sleek and gorgeous. Beautiful design.
2. $99
3. WP7.5 is a darn nice phone OS - sleek and smooth. Beautiful animations. Quick links to common tasks. They did a lot of good in this release - but it still has it's quirks.
4. Carl Zeiss 8MP cam. Should make for some beautiful shots.
5. Screen is gorgeous. Bright, vivid, clearblack. Best screen I've ever seen on a WP7 phone and a great size too.
6. Odd, but convenient power button placement
7. The Lumia 900 is what Windows phone should have started with. At the price point and the great hardware, this is a contender phone.
Take it for what it's worth. Had my hands on one about a week ago.
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Lol I have said Lumina forever...guess its just my car-centric mind wanting it to be Lumina....whoops.
I'm not saying I would get a WP right now...maybe if the platform gets popular and matures, gets some better features and apps and gets all the kings worked out...I'm hoping it happens.

zander21510 said:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2402556,00.asp
Went through the article where they compared the new windows phone flagship to our phone's twin brother.
What's everyone's thoughts on WP?
I've always gotten Nokia phones, solid and reliable (Still have my E63, my reliable backup! Smartphone with 5 days battery ). But once symbian died and iOS+Android began dominating I switched to android. I wish Nokia had joined the Android train but they didn't...but I've played with and seen all the stuff about WP, and I think it could be a promising competitor if Nokia and Microsoft play their cards right.
But for now...the t989 and Skyrocket win in my book in terms of performance, utility, and apps. But having used FB and Twitter integration, and seeing how snappy it is with even a single core, and most importantly MS Office...I would have to say in those aspects WP definitely has a leg up on Android and iOS...
It will be interesting to see if in 2 years when my contract expires and it's time for an upgrade weather WP will have matured enough for me to defect...and if Nokia still builds rock-solid phones like it used to...it may not be an argument of if, but if I can even wait for my contract to expire .
Thoughts please, no flames!
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I just bought a Dell Venue Pro since I been dying to try WP7 and my experiences is that the OS is REALLY GOOD! I haven't gotten a Single crash or Lag or the need to hack for overclocking or getting rid of a crappy skin everything is freaking smooth. I still miss alot of things of my GSII thats taking a break until official ICS update. Windows Phone overall is 80% there but those 20% leave you on a empty stomach wanting for more.

stick with android
Though Windows Phone OS is very nice and smooth, the utter lack of apps and even greater lack of customization will wear on you quickly. If you're on XDA that tells me that having options matters to you, and with Windows Phone, there are very little options.

The comparison is funny, every spec is better.. why r u asking?

PJcastaldo said:
The comparison is funny, every spec is better.. why r u asking?
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Well thats the point, of course right now the skyrocket/989 and many other phones are obviously better...but I'm thinking in a couple of years WP might be a viable player if they play their cards right and the OS matures to support cutting edge hardware and has app development.

PJcastaldo said:
The comparison is funny, every spec is better.. why r u asking?
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Specs can be better but we all know higher specs don't mean anything in the android world. Lets not even mention lack of support! I can bet money that Nokia will keep updating the Nokia 900 for year or Two while AT&T,Samsung and Google might not even support the skyrocket for more than a year. Don't get me wrong I love having high ends specs, but is like a prostitute that tells you she loves you and in two months she stole your money and left you out in the streets that how I feel about android and all this carriers.

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Specs can be better but we all know higher specs don't mean anything in the android world. Lets not even mention lack of support! I can bet money that Nokia will keep updating the Nokia 900 for year and Two while AT&T,Samsung and Google might not even support the skyrocket for more than a year. Don't get me wrong I love having high ends specs, but is like a prostitute that tells you she loves and in two months she stole your money and left you out in the streets that how I feel about android and all this carriers.
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LOL. Awesome comparison
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josemedina1983 said:
Specs can be better but we all know higher specs don't mean anything in the android world. Lets not even mention lack of support! I can bet money that Nokia will keep updating the Nokia 900 for year or Two while AT&T,Samsung and Google might not even support the skyrocket for more than a year. Don't get me wrong I love having high ends specs, but is like a prostitute that tells you she loves you and in two months she stole your money and left you out in the streets that how I feel about android and all this carriers.
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This phone might be the exception, rather than the rule, since this is the THE PHONE that Nokia plans on cracking the U.S. market with, so it's probably higher on their priority list. But in my experience, do not expect magical support from Nokia. I just recently (as of February) defected from a Nokia N8 to Android and for the year I owned it, this was their software release schedule:
1) Announce software update
2) Wait 3 months
3) Announce release date
4) Push release date back 3 months
5) Start shipping YOUR EXACT PHONE MODEL with the software update out of the box
6) Wait 1 month
7) Start rolling out software update to customers who already bought the phone in Turkey(insert other relatively small European country here)
8) Wait 3 months
9) Push software update to U.S.
Now I've learned that Samsung isn't much better, I'm just saying that the grass is always greener on the other side. The other OS always seems to get their updates faster
**Side note: all Lumias definitely come with Nokia Maps. Which I miss, since Navigation has routed me through some weird routes before and I've rarely had a bad experience with Nokia Maps.

Raul69.atl said:
Windows phones suck...period.
Thread closed!!
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My 7 year old sister could formulate a more thought out comment.
How can an OS suck? I know so many people that have them and really like the simplicity and easy use of windows phones. Don't be a fanboy.
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yoft1 said:
This phone might be the exception, rather than the rule, since this is the THE PHONE that Nokia plans on cracking the U.S. market with, so it's probably higher on their priority list. But in my experience, do not expect magical support from Nokia. I just recently (as of February) defected from a Nokia N8 to Android and for the year I owned it, this was their software release schedule:
1) Announce software update
2) Wait 3 months
3) Announce release date
4) Push release date back 3 months
5) Start shipping YOUR EXACT PHONE MODEL with the software update out of the box
6) Wait 1 month
7) Start rolling out software update to customers who already bought the phone in Turkey(insert other relatively small European country here)
8) Wait 3 months
9) Push software update to U.S.
Now I've learned that Samsung isn't much better, I'm just saying that the grass is always greener on the other side. The other OS always seems to get their updates faster
**Side note: all Lumias definitely come with Nokia Maps. Which I miss, since Navigation has routed me through some weird routes before and I've rarely had a bad experience with Nokia Maps.
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I get what your saying, Nokia doesn't have the best update reputation with Symbian as a owner of tons of symbian Nokia devices. But lately I can say that nokia has clean up their act especially with windows phone. The skyrocket might be the better spec phone but going down the memory lane Google and Samsung have failed to please their consumers that own a Nexus S/4g,Behold 2,The Original Galaxy S owners the list goes on. The choice goes down to you want a 2011/2012 high end phone or do you want 2 years of updates and support?

Stop comparing windows phones to android and especially our phone. Our only true rival is apple ios. Plain and simple

diamantericos said:
Stop comparing windows phones to android and especially our phone. Our only true rival is apple ios. Plain and simple
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Its a discussion...on weather the platform can mature into something competitive. Nobody doubts that our phones are better in many many ways.
Long ago (well...more like 4 or 5 years ago) Symbian and Blackberry were the big dogs, people said the iPhone was just a rich person's phone that would die out because it was so expensive. And Android was a nerd's phone...
Look at where we are now...times change.

diamantericos said:
Stop comparing windows phones to android and especially our phone. Our only true rival is apple ios. Plain and simple
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LOL Rival? I think you taking this a little too serious. Both devices are Smartphones they both are being sold in stores so I think is safe to compare the two devices. Consumers always compare cars,clothes,computers thats just the way it is.

Windows is great OS for me. For both PC and Phone. I used to own hd2 and quiet impressed with windows 6.5. Being honest i have never use 7+ of windows . I really want to try this phone.
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WP7 looks nice. And might appeal to windows users. But from my experience the development for it is horrible. I attend many Microsoft conferences and they're always begging for developers and giving away phones. And when asked if future updates will contain USB support or modem and wifi. Information. They ask "why would anyone.need that?" The average user doesn't care if he's using Linux based software or windows. But what the average user does know is "my friend bought a windows phone,it sucks. It was always freezing and a lack of apps " I actually heard this in a discussion o was having with a girlfriend who was considering a windows phone. I thought the Nokia was an awesome phone and don't believe the freezing part. But if you're looking toward the future... move away from Microsoft. Windows is the OS of the past and they know it
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