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Galaxy S2 vs. iPhone 4 vs. LG E900 vs. Lag myth

May I redirect your attention to this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1450019

so you focus the lag on browser performance?
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a dual core would never be better than a single core device /s
like really? I'm trying very hard to find the metric used besides how a page renders data; which is important, but further drives home the point that dual core processors are better at it.
But curiosity killed me
are you running a stock sgsII rom? with no hacks? And the browser is stock?

FTW
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Hi, I'd rather have you comment in the thread I linked to, that way evening gets organized in one thread.
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Is it the stock s2 rom ?
Looks different than my wifes ui.
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Hi, I'd rather have you comment in the thread I linked to, that way evening gets organized in one thread.
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That is exactly why you aren't supposed to post the same thing in multiple places or create identical threads in more than one location.
You are the OP. You can close this thread. See attached picture of the Thread Tools Menu in the upper right.
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Don't think that was a stock rom...
Watch this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMfRd9NRnr0
Either way though that old LG you have to admit is not lagging at all with a single core snapdragon. And my Titan which still has a single core kicks it's butt royally (The LG and is right on par with the dual core Galaxy S2 and the new iphone 4s).

Knochen1981 said:
Is it the stock s2 rom ?
Looks different than my wifes ui.
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It's stock ROM with Beautifull widgets and twisted colors live wallpaper.
https://market.android.com/details?...DEsImNvbS5sZXZlbHVwLmJlYXV0aWZ1bHdpZGdldHMiXQ..
https://market.android.com/details?...GVsdXMudHdpc3RlZGNvbG9yc2xpdmV3YWxscGFwZXIiXQ..
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That is exactly why you aren't supposed to post the same thing in multiple places or create identical threads in more than one location.
You are the OP. You can close this thread. See attached picture of the Thread Tools Menu in the upper right.
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I don't have that option.
XDA is so full of subfora that it's hard to get exposure on some issues which might concern all the fora. That's why I put it in general and put redirect threads which is a common practice done on XDA.
ROCOAFZ said:
Don't think that was a stock rom...
Watch this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMfRd9NRnr0
Either way though that old LG you have to admit is not lagging at all with a single core snapdragon. And my Titan which still has a single core kicks it's butt royally (The LG and is right on par with the dual core Galaxy S2 and the new iphone 4s).
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That person is also on tweakers.net (a dutch community), it was later confirmed he had faulty software because of all the crap he had installed. A hard reset solved his issues.
the iPhone 4 is also a single core 1GHz device.

GIR said:
It's stock ROM with Beautifull widgets and twisted colors live wallpaper.
https://market.android.com/details?...DEsImNvbS5sZXZlbHVwLmJlYXV0aWZ1bHdpZGdldHMiXQ..
https://market.android.com/details?...GVsdXMudHdpc3RlZGNvbG9yc2xpdmV3YWxscGFwZXIiXQ..
I don't have that option.
XDA is so full of subfora that it's hard to get exposure on some issues which might concern all the fora. That's why I put it in general and put redirect threads which is a common practice done on XDA.
That person is also on tweakers.net (a dutch community), it was later confirmed he had faulty software because of all the crap he had installed. A hard reset solved his issues.
the iPhone 4 is also a single core 1GHz device.
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Malware? lol (little poke on that one)
One thing about windows phone is only 5 or 6 apps can run at a time without being tombstoned and the apps cannot effect the o/s
I don't have an SG S2 but i have seen many android phones with high amounts of lag. (felt like i had sticky fingers at times). How is the battery life on it? (with video background i would imagine not as long as it could be)
My biggest gripe though with android is that it doesn't seem to flow from one thing to another. I've setup exchange on 4 different androids at my work in the last 4 months. one was cupcake ... i know ewe... but in each of these, the setup was in different areas. Sometimes it integrated calendars also after an update which the user did not want. One droid broke its exchange connection with an update until google 4 months later released another fix for it (May have been carrier fault but it still took forever which did not make the admin assistant very happy since she booked appointments for the ceo) Needless to say between that and the lag (which for her was probably 60% the crap apps she downloaded) made that phone the last android she would own. She (even though i tried to talk her toward windows phone) went to an iphone 4S. She is however jealous of all the cool free apps i have (most of the iphone ones were paid) and she misses the free apps she had on android, but for stability she is satisfied.
Oh and my Titan only cost me 1 cent with 2 year agreement. She paid heavily for the iphone. Not sure how much SG2 goes for.

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I don't have that option.
XDA is so full of subfora that it's hard to get exposure on some issues which might concern all the fora. That's why I put it in general and put redirect threads which is a common practice done on XDA.
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My mistake. They gave that option to recognized developers. For some reason I thought they gave it to everyone.
Rules in the dev sections are more strictly enforced, which is where I spent alot of time between 2009 to August of 2011. I still frequent the dev sections, but am not flashing ROMs twice a week anymore so I spend less time there.
Rule 5 in particular is why you are not supposed to do this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?a=81

ROCOAFZ said:
Malware? lol (little poke on that one)
One thing about windows phone is only 5 or 6 apps can run at a time without being tombstoned and the apps cannot effect the o/s
I don't have an SG S2 but i have seen many android phones with high amounts of lag. (felt like i had sticky fingers at times). How is the battery life on it? (with video background i would imagine not as long as it could be)
My biggest gripe though with android is that it doesn't seem to flow from one thing to another. I've setup exchange on 4 different androids at my work in the last 4 months. one was cupcake ... i know ewe... but in each of these, the setup was in different areas. Sometimes it integrated calendars also after an update which the user did not want. One droid broke its exchange connection with an update until google 4 months later released another fix for it (May have been carrier fault but it still took forever which did not make the admin assistant very happy since she booked appointments for the ceo) Needless to say between that and the lag (which for her was probably 60% the crap apps she downloaded) made that phone the last android she would own. She (even though i tried to talk her toward windows phone) went to an iphone 4S. She is however jealous of all the cool free apps i have (most of the iphone ones were paid) and she misses the free apps she had on android, but for stability she is satisfied.
Oh and my Titan only cost me 1 cent with 2 year agreement. She paid heavily for the iphone. Not sure how much SG2 goes for.
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Actually he tried to root it with the wrong kernel, but dream on.

And it took the wrong kernel? Surprized. Most phones won't boot in that case. He got lucky.

ROCOAFZ said:
1) I don't have an SG S2 but i have seen many android phones with high amounts of lag. (felt like i had sticky fingers at times).
2) How is the battery life on it? (with video background i would imagine not as long as it could be)
3) My biggest gripe though with android is that it doesn't seem to flow from one thing to another.
4) I've setup exchange on 4 different androids at my work in the last 4 months. one was cupcake ... i know ewe... but in each of these, the setup was in different areas. Sometimes it integrated calendars also after an update which the user did not want.
5)One droid broke its exchange connection with an update until google 4 months later released another fix for it 6) (May have been carrier fault but it still took forever which did not make the admin assistant very happy since she booked appointments for the ceo)
7) Needless to say between that and the lag (which for her was probably 60% the crap apps she downloaded) made that phone the last android she would own. She (even though i tried to talk her toward windows phone) went to an iphone 4S.
8) She is however jealous of all the cool free apps i have (most of the iphone ones were paid) and she misses the free apps she had on android, but for stability she is satisfied.
9) Oh and my Titan only cost me 1 cent with 2 year agreement. She paid heavily for the iphone. Not sure how much SG2 goes for.
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1) lag - nice myth, keep it flowin ! (not new)
2) battery life on all smart phones in use is not great. (not new)
3) you mean, like keeping 7+ applications going at once, so you can get directions to a customer, while on the phone, sending an email with said directions along with a PDF they need, directly in the email ? (not new, but not all phones can)
4) i'm sorry you had to use cupcake, really, almost as sorry you have to still use exchange (personal, also not new)
5) just more of 4)
6) just putting the blame where it's convenient ? (not new)
7) see 1), good for her finding a platform that fits great and works great (ios is new everyday)
8) the ios apps are much higher quality, and the huge selection means the tagline "there's an app for that" is still true (not new)
8) continued - if she's setting up things for the ceo, i doubt she, or he, cares less about the cost being $.99-3.99 for the vast majority of very well developed, mature, supported applications available on ios.
9) 'only 99cents on contract' - math (not new, but neglected)
i understand everyone likes one platform over another for personal, business, and sometimes financial reasons. that's fine. if you can't see the benefit of using ios for corporate clients, wether or not you like the platform, something is amiss.

ohgood said:
1) lag - nice myth, keep it flowin ! (not new)
2) battery life on all smart phones in use is not great. (not new)
3) you mean, like keeping 7+ applications going at once, so you can get directions to a customer, while on the phone, sending an email with said directions along with a PDF they need, directly in the email ? (not new, but not all phones can)
4) i'm sorry you had to use cupcake, really, almost as sorry you have to still use exchange (personal, also not new)
5) just more of 4)
6) just putting the blame where it's convenient ? (not new)
7) see 1), good for her finding a platform that fits great and works great (ios is new everyday)
8) the ios apps are much higher quality, and the huge selection means the tagline "there's an app for that" is still true (not new)
8) continued - if she's setting up things for the ceo, i doubt she, or he, cares less about the cost being $.99-3.99 for the vast majority of very well developed, mature, supported applications available on ios.
9) 'only 99cents on contract' - math (not new, but neglected)
i understand everyone likes one platform over another for personal, business, and sometimes financial reasons. that's fine. if you can't see the benefit of using ios for corporate clients, wether or not you like the platform, something is amiss.
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1) Not myth... they would pause and churn. Especially when scrolling. (they weren't all the latest and greatest either as they were ones the consumer picked up.)
2) My sisters Android (not sure which one she has as she is out of state but i see her complaining on facebook about it) lasts 4 hours with medium usage. My titan lasts 15 with heavy.
3) for flow i mean. In one verion of the OS - Email is in one place, in another it's somewhere else. Depends if you have touchwiz, sense ect, and what version of android.
4) cupcake was VERY slow. As for exchange... why sorry? Exchange 2010 kicks butt. not our fault google broke active sync for a few months.
5) Was an example of 4
6) result of example and explaining it may have been her fault but android let her do it.
7) Stability was the plus for her. Free apps though was not with IOS.
8) When you lived in a free world, it gets hard to pay for EVERYTHING useful. Also I work for a nonprofit... she doesn't get paid that much.
9)It was really 1 cent on Blackfriday special. not 99 cents. That was meant for those that complain Windows phone is so expensive.
I like numbers games

ROCOAFZ said:
Don't think that was a stock rom...
Watch this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMfRd9NRnr0
Either way though that old LG you have to admit is not lagging at all with a single core snapdragon. And my Titan which still has a single core kicks it's butt royally (The LG and is right on par with the dual core Galaxy S2 and the new iphone 4s).
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Thats how my wifes performs. Stutters here and there. And its not faulty cause we got it back from support center. Contacts list and more stutters. And the kinetic scrolling is crap
But it seems all device perform different.
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Laptop Dock

Sorry if this has been discussed before! I searched and didn't come across a similar thread.
Just curious to see what people think and know about Samsung releasing a laptop dock akin to that which was released for the Motorola Atrix as well as the Asus Transformer attachment. I always thought it was a neat idea and with the horsepower commonly found in today's smart/super phones, I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.
I'm sure most of you are familiar with the concept. If not, this is what it basically looks like:
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Anyways, I'm asking because I see a lot of people on here that like to use their Notes as more than a phone; whether it's by connecting it to a TV/monitor via an MHL connector or plugging in extra USB accessories (mice, storage, etc).
What do you guys think? Will Samsung do something like this? Would you guys use it if it were available?

No and No. Phones still don't have enough processing power to rpelace a laptop (trust me, i owned an Atrix and a lapdock for 6 months, using it daily), and very few people would buy an accessory to a phone that is already made to faciliate the use as "more than just a phone" in it's natural form factor.

RamenBooko said:
What do you guys think?
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OMG that is amazing. RedFly done properly. The Note already has both the power and resolution to run as a laptop. I for one would love it. I just bought a collapsable bluetooth keyboard to type better when I'm in a cafe
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I'll just leave this here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NcHgSY3xYLo#!
BTW, we don't have enough processing power for phones to replace your laptop.
Nor do we have the battery technology to provide an acceptable use.
Nor do we have the software in place to handle these properly.
...in short this is possible with today's technology but VERY VERY quirky, and definitely not worth having.
2 years ago I drafted a proposal for accomplishing this task: To manufacture an Omnia (one do it all device) and my conclusion was for 2 modular devices.
1) Superphone/Smartphone which does most tasks:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=951027#post951027
2) A tablet which converts into an Ultrabook:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921388post&p=921372
P.S. You can some of my ideas have made their way into actual devices today, such as the Dell Streak, XPlay, Lenovo Yoga, and ASUS Transformer.
(P.S. Those are the latest ones I've posted, they evolved from a long line of mock ups that dates back ~2years. I did update both a while ago but haven't posted up, if there is demand I'll post those up too)

Viamonte said:
No and No. Phones still don't have enough processing power to rpelace a laptop
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Statements like this do amuse me!
Something like the Note has more power than laptops that were state of the art 7 years ago. People managed to use these for real work "back in the day".
The problem is that most of the productivity apps have become too heavy weight, and for 95% of users they probably only use a fraction of the functionality.
Regards,
Dave
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Windows is a big pile of poo that eats resources as its primary mission. Back when I was a student the uni had a 266MHz DEC Alpha that had 400 users on it at any time. It had a monster 4GB of hard drive space and 512MB RAM running DEC UNIX.
My Galaxy Note has similar power! My Commodore 64 had a lot less power and it was great for word processing. But unlike the Note, there was no way it could play 1080p video (with MHL adapter) to a monitor or play 3d games. We hold awesome computing power in our hands. Efficient code (c++ from NDK not Java from SDK) on this phone will kill the need for a laptop.
Android is Linux. And that means it's 5 times as fast as if it ran Windows. Five times is not an exageration. It really is slower than that.

foxmeister said:
Statements like this do amuse me!
Something like the Note has more power than laptops that were state of the art 7 years ago. People managed to use these for real work "back in the day".
The problem is that most of the productivity apps have become too heavy weight, and for 95% of users they probably only use a fraction of the functionality.
Regards,
Dave
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In case you haven't noticed we are in 2012.
Times change and so does the needs of society.
Personal Computing has come a long way from 7 years ago, hell from 3 years ago if you know the industry.
Obviously you were nitpicking one comment of mine.
Yes, it can *be* a laptop and do tasks, but it would much less efficient than using an actual laptop, therefore (by definition) not upto the task!

My Asus Transformer runs like a laptop just fine. I doubt the note would be worse .

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Windows is a big pile of poo that eats resources as its primary mission.
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PurpleMelbourne said:
Android is Linux. And that means it's 5 times as fast as if it ran Windows. Five times is not an exageration. It really is slower than that.
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/smh
/reads again
/smh

E_man5112 said:
My Asus Transformer runs like a laptop just fine. I doubt the note would be worse .
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Exactly! Bigger screen attachment, then it could run the tab version of ics. Then, apps for tab mode that are better like quickoffice could be used. The tab version of ics (also sorta honeycomb) is a step closer to a full blown laptop, as they are starting to do toned down processes like "hardcore" word processing (that you can actually save in spots and move it ha apple). I know the note has no ics yet, but im talking for the future.

You can run Ubuntu Linux with MHL video adaptor for 1920 x 1080 video and bluetooth keyboard and mouse. You then have a windowing computer with Firefox, Open Office, VLC video and a few other things on screen at the same time.
I'm looking forward to trying it out when I can afford a 64GB SDHC card.

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Obviously you were nitpicking one comment of mine.
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I think you will find I directly quoted an earlier poster, but either way adding to a discussion isn't nitpicking! So, obviously not!
Yes, it can *be* a laptop and do tasks, but it would much less efficient than using an actual laptop, therefore (by definition) not upto the task!
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Rather missed the point here didn't get you?
Yes, using a phone as a laptop would be less efficient, but take the Note and stick it in an Atrix style dock, and run a lightweight flavour of Linux, and it becomes much more efficient in that role. I wouldn't want to compile applications on it, but given most business users only tend to use laptops for document creation, email, and web browsing, what you would have is certainly up to that task.
The point is that the hardware is more than capable.
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Dave
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Yea, I think you're spot on about the device being more than capable of running a lightweight Linux distro.
For me personally, I carry around my laptop right now for school purposes. Making diagrams, light photo editing, productivity suite (Office), etc. If I could just carry around something similar to the lapdock, that would be awesome.
I think there is a market for this since, as someone mentioned above, a lot of users need a laptop for very basic use (web, email, productivity). I'm surprised that Samsung hasn't attempted this yet for their awesome phone lineup.

foxmeister said:
Statements like this do amuse me!
Something like the Note has more power than laptops that were state of the art 7 years ago. People managed to use these for real work "back in the day".
The problem is that most of the productivity apps have become too heavy weight, and for 95% of users they probably only use a fraction of the functionality.
Regards,
Dave
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Then why don't you try using a computer with 7 year old software and tell me how your experience went?

I am actually developing this exact thing right now. Stay tuned!
Sincerely,
John Andrus
livi design

Oh ya, and it'll be MHL compatible with 40 phones right from the get go.
Well, I was wondering when someone would force my hand lol. I look forward to sharing my device with you all. I'll have a contest to beta test it and give out several of em.
So I'm not really ready to announce anything, so can you guys keep it to xda?
John Andrus
livi design

andjohn said:
Oh ya, and it'll be MHL compatible with 40 phones right from the get go.
Well, I was wondering when someone would force my hand lol. I look forward to sharing my device with you all. I'll have a contest to beta test it and give out several of em.
So I'm not really ready to announce anything, so can you guys keep it to xda?
John Andrus
livi design
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Something like that would be pretty neat.
openSUSE is my fav distro, rpm > deb. Which is why the delay, restraint and murder of MeeGo was one of the worst things of 2011.
I might be able to help once things get to beta (i really cant afford to brick the NOTE).

Viamonte said:
Then why don't you try using a computer with 7 year old software and tell me how your experience went?
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So.... how many people here are still running Windows XP? How many enterprises still use Windows XP as their primary client OS? (Hint - look here)
Virtually all enterprises still use XP and Office 2007, and I've seen a few that are still using Office 2003.
Now ask yourself - how old is Windows XP?
Whilst it has obviously been updated over the years, for the most part a PC that ran XP 7 years ago, could still run XP equally well today, even with the latest service packs applied and the user experience is practically unchanged.
In the server space, I'd be willing to bet that Windows Server 2003 installations outnumber later versions, and ditto SQL Server 2005.
In terms of hardware, my late 2010 model Macbook Air, which I use on almost a daily basis for real work has a Core 2 Duo CPU inside, which is an architecture that dates from 2006.
Software hasn't moved on as far as most people would like to think - Wirth's law still very much applies!
Regards,
Dave

Not just windows, the version of office is usually 2003 or even older. The problem aren't those. Using a 7 yo SAP must be a nightmare with krueger, or internet explorer 6 (i can vouch for this one, it was the version i my office). But the hole goes deeper. The fact your Core 2 duo is from 2006 only serves to demonstrate old pcs were stll light years ahead of our Note. Try 2002 and then maybe we're equaling things.
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My Pentium 4c 2.4GHZ with Hyper threading runs XP SP3 perfectly well and is MORE than capable of doing everything I would be doing on the go. Asking why someone would want this kind of accessory for there Note is like asking why people by Netbooks or Tablets..... Jeeze. People sure seem to get a lot done with those on the go. My ancient computer described before easily outperforms any experience with a netbook i have had and id rather use a tablet than either... So this device makes sense... although I personally would rather just go get an Asus Transformer Prime myself....
But there is a reason Asus is developing the Padphone thing.... some people arnt savy enough or want to deal with the added time of a file transfering process that is neccesary with two devices.
P.S. Pardon the spelling mistakes. Had to type this up quick

How do you show it off?

Most of us have had that encounter, usually with someone holding an iPhone. They say their phone is better but of course we know it's not.
So how do you show off your phone? What is it that you do to wow people and make the hipsters cry?
My wife owned an iPhone at one point. It pretty much did the work for me by pissing her off and losing her music from her CD's she put on it after syncing with iTunes. I showed her Google Music, the cloud, the ways I could customize it, and how my maps and navigation worked flawlessly as a native app - unlike her iPhone.

I just use the iphone launcher whenever i see them using their iphone and say hey look i have an iphone too. Then i go to the yahoo and play a flash video. Then i tell them that my iphone is better then their.
After that i get their iphone and smash it on the ground
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I press the back button the home button the menu button and search button (i hate the one button on iphone)
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Majin: So true the 1 button sucks

You can do face unlock, Google Music, show them a sexy theme, video chat on mobile data, and with phones like the galaxy nexus use nfc and google wallet at the check out. James Bond bad assness with Google wallet.
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There's no impressing the iPhone hipsters.

I show them how rich my screen is compared to theirs, and then I start tethering to a wifi device.
I left android to get a 4S and then I saw the light last week and came back to android with one of the best phones made.

dnalevelc said:
I show them how rich my screen is compared to theirs, and then I start tethering to a wifi device.
I left android to get a 4S and then I saw the light last week and came back to android with one of the best phones made.
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You better change your avatar.

Nothing. I just give them my device and tell them to have a look. Most people just like to look at the widgets.

I just pull it out my pocket, unlock the screen and let the live wallpapers + customizations do the talking. Once they all into my phone saying I wish my phone could do live wallpapers I start doing other things they can't with their iPhone. I used the dlna feature on a family members tv and she was showing it off to her man (both have iPhones) and then hooked it up by mhl to mirror the whole phone to really impress. Few days later her man came home with my phone the att variant n gave her his 4s. She really wanted this phone and went as far as saying I should've never showed him lol
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D1rk said:
...get their iphone and smash it on the ground
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"I will find you. And when i do i will Troll You."
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Damn, you beat me to it.
Also, if I want to impress someone, I don't mention Google Music; I haven't had good results with it.

KCRic said:
Most of us have had that encounter, usually with someone holding an iPhone. They say their phone is better but of course we know it's not.
So how do you show off your phone? What is it that you do to wow people and make the hipsters cry?
My wife owned an iPhone at one point. It pretty much did the work for me by pissing her off and losing her music from her CD's she put on it after syncing with iTunes. I showed her Google Music, the cloud, the ways I could customize it, and how my maps and navigation worked flawlessly as a native app - unlike her iPhone.
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If your on a custom rom that's is able to use theme Chooser like paranoid android then just switch themes endlessly with out a reboot and stuff. Use screencast to record your screen. If they smoke weed like me use roll a joint, that's an app iPhone will never see lol. Adjust your dpi using rom toolbox. All that iPhone users have that I want and continue to hate on is their library of games they got almost all the good ones, rage, CALL OF DUTY ZOMBIES! Need I say more I hate them for the games! If we get those games also android will be the shiit lol
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Normally just the size, brightness and texture to the screen, a simple unlock to a live wallpaper and a text with swype does it.. Not to mention the arrangeable homescreen.
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I just converted 1 this weekend,she is with garbage AT&T but she still got there version of our phone.(side note she actually cried after realizing how bad her iphone 4s is,she felt stupid)

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I just converted 1 this weekend,she is with garbage AT&T but she still got there version of our phone.(side note she actually cried after realizing how bad her iphone 4s is,she felt stupid)
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1 down more stupid ppl to convert! Slowly but we are making progress lol
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yeah it was obvious to me,after i showed her nova launcher and the paranoid android video she slammed her crown and ginger ale,then we went to the store to grab it.rooted rommed and slammed in 25 minutes,she wants me to show her how to theme now,also she is now on xda...i feel my job is done.

It's just a phone, who cares. I didn't buy this phone to upstage iPhone fans, and I didn't buy it because I have a dislike of Apple products. I bought it because it is the best device for me. If someone asks me about it, I'll tell them what they want to know and why I like it better. 99% of my friends have some variation of the iPhone, and they are very happy with it. In fact, 2 of them still bought the iPhone after playing with my phone. And no amount of widgets or live wallpapers, or face unlock, or whatever else Android has that iOS doesn't will change their outlook. If you want to know why, the answer is simple: not a single android device manufacturer puts out a product that is as polished as the iPhone, and even android 4.0 is not as polished as iOS. That's why my phone is not winning any converts, despite the fact that's it can do much more. I'm no iPhone fan, but that's the truth.

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It's just a phone, who cares. I didn't buy this phone to upstage iPhone fans, and I didn't buy it because I have a dislike of Apple products. I bought it because it is the best device for me. If someone asks me about it, I'll tell them what they want to know and why I like it better. 99% of my friends have some variation of the iPhone, and they are very happy with it. In fact, 2 of them still bought the iPhone after playing with my phone. And no amount of widgets or live wallpapers, or face unlock, or whatever else Android has that iOS doesn't will change their outlook. If you want to know why, the answer is simple: not a single android device manufacturer puts out a product that is as polished as the iPhone, and even android 4.0 is not as polished as iOS. That's why my phone is not winning any converts, despite the fact that's it can do much more. I'm no iPhone fan, but that's the truth.
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Polished I think not!!! You got one because "99% of my friend has some variations of the iphone" ??? Wtf and you have been the 1% that has a better phone just drop the same amount of cash as you would for an iPhone and get a High-end android phone and get the real android experience when root that High-end Android phone! They are late to everything dual core, 4g(some) and real multitasking features not to mention a home button, menu, and ITS OWN BACK BUTTON!!! Need I say more lol:beer:
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Polished I think not!!! You got one because "99% of my friend has some variations of the iphone" ??? Wtf and you have been the 1% that has a better phone just drop the same amount of cash as you would for an iPhone and get a High-end android phone and get the real android experience when root that High-end Android phone! They are late to everything dual core, 4g(some) and real multitasking features not to mention a home button, menu, and ITS OWN BACK BUTTON!!! Need I say more lol:beer:
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Perhaps you should lay off the weed, because it is clearly clouding your judgement and reading comprehension skills. I have the E4GT and had the Evo 4G before that. Nowhere in my post did I state or imply that I have an iphone. I never had an iPhone and don't want an iPhone. Why do you think I'm in this forum? My post was making the point that the vast majority of people with iphones love their device, and 2 of my friends who played with my E4GT still went with the iphone. And my phone is rooted with a custom kernel, so it actually performs better than the E4GT out of the box. As to my belief regarding why, you can re-read my post. And yes, every time I use an iPhone or iPad, I am always impressed by the smoothness of the UI and the speed of the device, so it is in fact more polished. I also have the quad-core Asus Transformer Prime, which I wish I never bought as it is an underperforming, buggy piece of crap, and you can read all about it in it's section on this board. Want to know why people dump Android for iOS, go out and buy the Prime, try to use it, and you'll have your answer in 5 mins. And I don't blame Android, I blame lazy manufacturers who slap an unoptimized kernel and OS onto cutting edge hardware, fill it with bloat, and then release the product without apparently doing something as simple as trying to access the internet with it, just to do a basic quality control. If I sound angry, it's because I am. With Android, it always seems to be a crap shoot. You can get lucky and stumble on a good device such as the E4GT, or you can spend money on the most bleeding-edge device, and be left with a device that has trouble displaying a powerpoint presentation. Now put yourself in my position; do you really think that I would be more unhappy with the iPad than I am with the Prime? If the iPad at the very least works without the browser crashing randomly and often, then the iPad is already better. Yes, IMO the E4GT is better than an iPhone, but the iPad is much better than the Prime, and it has half the hardware. Don't be a fanboy.

Agreed. Brand loyalty only hinders progress. User experience is a subjective thing, there is no definitely better answer. I know plenty of people who've "converted" to and from both "sides".

Is this phone still worth buying?

I currently own a T-Mobile G2x and plan on picking this baby up in a few days from the playstore.
A friend of mine showed me his and I completely fell in love with the screen. I'm also hopeful about the updates being pushed by Google for another year or so.
With that said, is this phone still worth getting with other devices already out like the ONE series and Samsung's S3?
I was intially going to purchase a HTC One S, but can't bring myself to do such a big gamble because of all the hardware and software issues I've read about.

for all that is holy and right, god yes.
i could ramble on what rocks about this phone, but ill keep it small.
its a nexus, so direct updates from google. Large dev community. freaking beautiful screen and physical phone dimensions. oh did i mention kick ass software and dev community
i came from the sprint epic 4g and they were doin some crazy stuff with that phone. with the nexus, i hope to see some awesome stuff.
again so much to put into words. the nexus is worth every cent

I got mine yesterday. Short and sweet, yes!!
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1719198
tl;dr: yes

I'm a former G2x owner, and the Galaxy Nexus blows the G2x away in every aspect. Not only that, it's hell of a lot more stable.
Do it. It's totally worth it.
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fredryk said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1719198
tl;dr: yes
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This one too.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1673845

if i can pick again, no thanks.

Its two issues that keep this or any nexus phone on top
1- direct (fast & unbloated/restrected) updates
2- a huge development base (other phones may have big dev bases, but they cant even compare)
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Yes. Good phone.
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Of course it's still worth buying. This is still the best Android phone out there. Galaxy S3 and One X may both be faster, but if you're a casual developer or tech guy, then Galaxy Nexus is the best you can get in terms of software.
Quad-core is overrated on phones and I don't like Galaxy S3's hardware decisions (the hardware keys). Galaxy Nexus has on-screen keys, which are just amazing, I could not go back to a phone without them. I don't like the bells and whistles of Galaxy S3 and One X either (which won't be a problem if you root of course). Their usability features are an overkill and don't work at all times.
Since Galaxy Nexus does come with the best version of Android - native, non-bloated one - and has very good hardware to run anything you throw at it today, then yes, it's the phone to get and the one I've suggested to fellow developers. One of the young developers I know bought it just last week and is loving it.

As everyone else had already mentioned, yes, do it - you won't regret it. I've had mine only a month now and it's freaking amazing. Fast and unbloated, beautiful screen, effortless to root, great battery life.
Best of all we will be first to get jellybean, my friend with the sgs 3 will be on ics until sometime next year. Hehe.
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Due to battery and reception/4G issues
I would say no, if i were to start over this minute... I would get a Razor Maxx over this.
I think a new phone of this caliber and price range should ROCK right out the gate and that the modding community should only (need to) make it even better... in this case it takes the modding to make it close to right with still spotty reception and CRAPPY battery life.
Is the screen beautiful... is the phone fast and with rooting and a lot of extra software does it get the job done? Yes.
But so does the RMaxx without the radio issues and it has boat loads of battery.
I would much rather have a few less bells and whistles of a newer OS and have battery life & radio reliability. I feel the bells and whistles are a lot easier to add on later than the other way around.
I like the phone... don't flame me please... but it has shortcomings

I get excellent battery life... i have never had any issues with the radio either.
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I'm hopefully buying one tonight, coming from a HTC Sensation, can't wait!

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I would say no, if i were to start over this minute... I would get a Razor Maxx over this.
I think a new phone of this caliber and price range should ROCK right out the gate and that the modding community should only (need to) make it even better... in this case it takes the modding to make it close to right with still spotty reception and CRAPPY battery life.
Is the screen beautiful... is the phone fast and with rooting and a lot of extra software does it get the job done? Yes.
But so does the RMaxx without the radio issues and it has boat loads of battery.
I would much rather have a few less bells and whistles of a newer OS and have battery life & radio reliability. I feel the bells and whistles are a lot easier to add on later than the other way around.
I like the phone... don't flame me please... but it has shortcomings
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Ahh you have the LTE version huh? Quite a few people seem not so happy with that one. However the GSM doesn't have as many issues as the LTE seems to..
I would say do it as well man. It's a much much better device than the G2x and you'll really enjoy it.
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Personally, I wouldn't get the Motorola. I'm a developer, and it's giving us a ridiculous amount of trouble when compared to the GS2 or the Nexus.
The nexus is a great terminal, and since they lowered the prices it's hard to beat in the quality/cost ratio.

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veloslave said:
I would say no, if i were to start over this minute... I would get a Razor Maxx over this.
I think a new phone of this caliber and price range should ROCK right out the gate and that the modding community should only (need to) make it even better... in this case it takes the modding to make it close to right with still spotty reception and CRAPPY battery life.
Is the screen beautiful... is the phone fast and with rooting and a lot of extra software does it get the job done? Yes.
But so does the RMaxx without the radio issues and it has boat loads of battery.
I would much rather have a few less bells and whistles of a newer OS and have battery life & radio reliability. I feel the bells and whistles are a lot easier to add on later than the other way around.
I like the phone... don't flame me please... but it has shortcomings
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As you'll see, a vast majority of the people saying "don't get it" are those with the Verizon LTE version.
To be blunt, the CDMA version of any nexus is going to be an afterthought.
Moreover, LTE is a battery-drain in comparison to UMTS/HSPA+.
If you get the Galaxy Nexus, get the HSPA+ one from the Google Play Store.

I currently have the LTE version of the Galaxy Nexus. Does my battery tend to get drained fast? Yea, although most of the time it's not an issue, I work in an office where I get to keep it plugged in most of the time. If I am planning on being out all day I always keep an extra battery, it's really not that difficult to carry one.
Does my signal tend to suck? Yea, sort of. I hardly ever make calls so I can't really notice there, although I do tend to get a lot of dropped calls but i never know which side they are coming from. My data is amazingly fast when it works right but too many times it says 4G but nothing is going on, so I have to turn the data off and back on to get it working again.
With all that said, I've had this phone since December and I still absolutely LOVE this phone! I still look at the screen and think "wow that's cool". I still show it off to people, I still love using it to pay with Google Wallet.
However, I have recently decided to get rid of it. I will be giving it to my friend, because I just ordered the GSM one from the Google Play store! I'm so sick and tired of Verizon so I want to try the whole prepaid services thing till I find something that works best for me with a service that doesn't treat me like I'm trying to steal from them because I have the unlimited data package THEY gladly offered me years ago. What ever happened to treating older customers better??

There are a few of us that jumped ship from the G2x here now, I don't think we made the wrong choice.
Plus we'll be getting Jelly Bean soon!
Just like you, I think the screen got me. That and stable ICS. I loved my G2x but after hanging around my friends with 4.3 or 4.5inch screens... I felt... inadequate...
Haha, just kidding, but I did want a bigger screen. I'm really happy with this phone now and I think I will be for a while.

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Of course it's still worth buying. This is still the best Android phone out there. Galaxy S3 and One X may both be faster, but if you're a casual developer or tech guy, then Galaxy Nexus is the best you can get in terms of software.
Quad-core is overrated on phones and I don't like Galaxy S3's hardware decisions (the hardware keys). Galaxy Nexus has on-screen keys, which are just amazing, I could not go back to a phone without them. I don't like the bells and whistles of Galaxy S3 and One X either (which won't be a problem if you root of course). Their usability features are an overkill and don't work at all times.
Since Galaxy Nexus does come with the best version of Android - native, non-bloated one - and has very good hardware to run anything you throw at it today, then yes, it's the phone to get and the one I've suggested to fellow developers. One of the young developers I know bought it just last week and is loving it.
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Software keys to me are a waste of screen real estate. There is no advantage to having them. I remove them and use LMT because I want the extra screen space. Using LMT is not as quick as having the buttons there but worth the sacrifice.
The GNEX has the space at the bottom of the device to fit keys there and I wish they would have or added them as well and given the choice to use on which one we want to use.

HTC One for Verizon officially announced.

https://mobile.twitter.com/VZWnews/status/341592724161560578
I love the DNA but I also love having the latest HTC available, how many of y'all will be considering doing whatever you have to in your situation to get your hands on this phone? I wish I could say I'll stay content with my DNA, I just remember saying that about the rezound and incredible lte.
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I love the DNA but I also love having the latest HTC available, how many of y'all will be considering doing whatever you have to in your situation to get your hands on this phone? I wish I could say I'll stay content with my DNA, I just remember saying that about the rezound and incredible lte.
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I'm not dropping my DNA but I'm for sure getting the One.

I'd like to say I'm considering the HTC one, but not sure I'd consider it on Verizon. Id honestly like to see them come out with a smaller screen, like 4.3", with some decent hardware specs. Just not feeling the larger screens anymore.

I like the HTC One for sure, but I don't know if it's enough of a jump over the DNA to warrant the change. I'm still on unlimited data, so I'm going to need to buy my next phone outright, and I think it might be worth waiting for next year's HTC flagship since the DNA is still so awesome.

Pretty sure they will come out with DNA 2 in November. Just my hunch
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I plan on getting it at some point, I just know it won't be at a subsidised price. I'd like to keep my DNA but the cheapest way for me to get the One will be rapid exchanging it at best buy until they junk it out cause I know they don't have too many DNA refurbs lying around (worked for bb until recently, I know my way around Geek squad plans). I would've waited for the one (just upgraded to DNA in April) if I didn't have that contingency in place. Still think the DNA is a great phone, I wouldn't mind or be surprised if another one showed up on the fall but with an even bigger screen (which is what kept me away from this one so long).
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There's NO comparison between the DNA and the one. The one blows the DNA away in every aspect especially speed and efficiency. I run mine overclocked to 2.1GHz an still get 1/3 more battery life than my DNA at stock clock speeds. Screen is brighter, phone is thinner, cameras are better, DEVELOPMENT is better (because it's cross carrier), speakers are WAAAAAY louder and have depth..... get the one

It's actually crossed my mind to sell my DNA and pick this up.. I have to sell the DNA because I can't afford a retail purchase without the cash from the DNA .. I could always just add a line and upgrade.. but not sure that would be a viable option ... Still waiting on the retail cost.. Will it be the same as other carriers with the One you think?

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It's actually crossed my mind to sell my DNA and pick this up.. I have to sell the DNA because I can't afford a retail purchase without the cash from the DNA .. I could always just add a line and upgrade.. but not sure that would be a viable option ... Still waiting on the retail cost.. Will it be the same as other carriers with the One you think?
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I'd guess around 650-700 retail. I cant remember if the DNA was 650 or 699, but I was thinking the One was slightly cheaper when it launched.
I should add to my above comment in the second post, it's likely I'll get the ATT version of the One, because of the development with the GSM versions. I carry an ATT and Verizon device in my pocket, so it may end up being One and DNA as my daily drivers.
You guys interested in the One, you can sell really old smartphones like the Wildfire, Blackberry Curve, Incredible, etc for $100 a piece in ATT gift cards.

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I'd guess around 650-700 retail. I cant remember if the DNA was 650 or 699.
I should add to my above comment in the second post, it's likely I'll get the ATT version of the One, because of the development with the GSM versions. I carry an ATT and Verizon device in my pocket, so it may end up being One and DNA as my daily drivers.
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Just think, the first time I paid full retail for a phone and the first time I have ever damaged a device were about a week apart. Yeap, I busted my $700 device when it was a week old, I was sick.
I was really scared to tell my girlfriend as she bought it for me for Valentines Day. But when I finally told her she was like "Baby really? The phone, you're that upset about a phone? I thought you got a little girl pregnant or something, you really had me scared."

Don't get me wrong, the One is an amazing phone, but I would rush off the DNA. Its still a powerful device, and in my opinion the One isn't a huge enough leap for me to rush to get it. .02$
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lol they are the same phone. the one only has a sightly faster cpu out of the box and diffrent speaker placement. .... both phones have independent amps a similar shape, similar components, similar software (they even have a rom if you like blinkfeed).... 200 mhz faster big whoop, is not like you cant oc it to 1.7... its silly to buy one if you got a dna..... its like throwing away or trading in a black 2012 Tahoe for a silver 2013 Tahoe (its the same exact truck).. if you had like a gs3 or a razr or something older it makes sense to wait a lil bit and buy it instead of the dna cuz it is the newest phone.

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lol they are the same phone. the one only has a sightly faster cpu out of the box and diffrent speaker placement. .... both phones have independent amps a similar shape, similar components, similar software (they even have a rom if you like blinkfeed).... 200 mhz faster big whoop, is not like you cant oc it to 1.7... its silly to buy one if you got a dna..... its like throwing away or trading in a black 2012 Tahoe for a silver 2013 Tahoe (its the same exact truck).. if you had like a gs3 or a razr or something older it makes sense to wait a lil bit and buy it instead of the dna cuz it is the newest phone.
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I haven't really decided honestly.. I just want to get my hands on it.. get a feel for it..

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I haven't really decided honestly.. I just want to get my hands on it.. get a feel for it..
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get a gs4 or a iphone lol at least it would have different hardware

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get a gs4 or a iphone lol at least it would have different hardware
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That's true.. I did always enjoy Samsung .. Fell in love with my Fascinate .. still wouldn't mind picking another one up..

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That's true.. I did always enjoy Samsung .. Fell in love with my Fascinate .. still wouldn't mind picking another one up..
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yeah change it up a bit i went from a droid 4 to the dna... that was a big jump cuz they are totally diff designs... just get something at least semi-popular that ppl will dev for

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lol they are the same phone. the one only has a sightly faster cpu out of the box and diffrent speaker placement. .... both phones have independent amps a similar shape, similar components, similar software (they even have a rom if you like blinkfeed).... 200 mhz faster big whoop, is not like you cant oc it to 1.7... its silly to buy one if you got a dna..... its like throwing away or trading in a black 2012 Tahoe for a silver 2013 Tahoe (its the same exact truck).. if you had like a gs3 or a razr or something older it makes sense to wait a lil bit and buy it instead of the dna cuz it is the newest phone.
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You can't assume that features like those you mentioned are the only thing important to everyone. It's kind of like assuming that everyone who buy's a device plans to talk on it. We are far from the average or typical consumers and there's way more than a few hundred mhz to our purchasing decisions.
I'm not saying you are right or wrong, I'm just saying that you should consider with an open mind that a lot of people could care less about the specs on the side of the box and put the emphasis on something dev related when making purchases. It's like saying everyone cares about battery life. Or nobody likes HTC Sense. There's a wide variety of people, ideas, and personalities in the development community that the standard consumer rules don't apply too.
You have to also remember that the reason we have Android devlopers on new devices is because they were stupid enough to buy a new device that was only a slight upgrade above the old one.
Off Topic: I spent three days with a GS4 and wasn't impressed with it at all.

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lol they are the same phone. the one only has a sightly faster cpu out of the box and diffrent speaker placement. .... both phones have independent amps a similar shape, similar components, similar software (they even have a rom if you like blinkfeed).... 200 mhz faster big whoop, is not like you cant oc it to 1.7... its silly to buy one if you got a dna..... its like throwing away or trading in a black 2012 Tahoe for a silver 2013 Tahoe (its the same exact truck).. if you had like a gs3 or a razr or something older it makes sense to wait a lil bit and buy it instead of the dna cuz it is the newest phone.
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I can agree its a minor upgrade but I can't agree its the same phone.
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I have the one and dna.... The ONE is solo much a better phone. Not knocking the DNA but the ones screen is so much better and vibrant and is the perfect size at 4.7 inch.
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