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Mango update news, can't be all bad I suppose.

Copy from Neowin.net. If this is old news, mod pls close thread.
Today, the slew of "pre-Mango" posts began. Were you suspicious about why the sudden posting? It's because Microsoft has been giving out the build to the press ahead of the Mango Beta release, which is due to be announced within the next 24 hours.
Neowin has received multiple independent tips that the beta will be made available for all devices through the MSDN Create hub for those with developer accounts, on June 22/23, with Microsoft set to make the announcement sometime during the next 24 hours. The beta will not be restricted to "favorite" developers but will be generally available to anyone with a paid subscription, and will be able to be loaded on any of the production devices.
The timing of the claims line up, as do the legitimacy of the claims considering the amount of reviews that have just appeared. Also, if you look at multiple reviews, each one uses a different device. There aren't any Mango events worldwide for this specific launch, so we expect a release will appear on Microsoft's PressPass site soon.
Mango brings a new set of features to the platform, including IE9 support, full IM integration, performance improvements and multitasking and is expected to be released in September of this year for general availability.
Update: Neowin used multiple sources to comfirm this news. The sources used to confirm this article are reliable, and this news is not considered a rumor currently. In addition, the software giant is planning on handing out developer devices to VIP devlopers as part of the announcement.
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Seriously, if that happens, I will trave to USA to kiss Balmer's bald head!

So if you feel like it you can pay $99 to get Mango now .

Well if it's available to developers than there will be ways to install it on other phones too.
I have no idea how that's supposed to work though via the official channel. Full ROM flash?

personally i think its crap. Until someone confrims it. Joe Belfiore himself confired via twitter that they will be handing mango devices.

I've read about that on several sources too. Now if that turns out to be true I will have pre-release Mango within the next 2 days. oO Woohoo! Sadly a lot of the features won't be available right now. Like Twitter integration in the peoples hub and such. But I guess there'll be additional releases like that until Microsoft releases the final build to all customers.

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So joe says he will hand mango devices.. which means its crap that microsoft that will release the ROM?
theres no logic there

vangrieg said:
Well if it's available to developers than there will be ways to install it on other phones too.
I have no idea how that's supposed to work though via the official channel. Full ROM flash?
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Zune maybe... They know if you are a developer, so they can push trough a message that your phone has an update. Or maybe you have to make a request on the apphub and than it will be pushed trough zune...
Well Im trying not to get my hopes up... First see than believe

Brandon Watson from Microsoft just tweeted:
WinRumors and neowin are not correct. Press reviews of consumer features are only thing happening this week.
Well, in about 24 hours we know what is true and what not.

That's great!

dkp1977 said:
Brandon Watson from Microsoft just tweeted:
WinRumors and neowin are not correct. Press reviews of consumer features are only thing happening this week.
Well, in about 24 hours we know what is true and what not.
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Brandon also tweeted
Every developer matters. Every. Single. One. Deep breath everyone.
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The "Every. Single. One." gives me hope that there will be distribution of pre-release Mango outside that of just developer devices.

tiny17 said:
Brandon also tweeted
The "Every. Single. One." gives me hope that there will be distribution of pre-release Mango outside that of just developer devices.
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Well, maybe in his first tweet he meant, that it won't be release as soon as different sites stated it will be. We'll see.

dkp1977 said:
Well, maybe in his first tweet he meant, that it won't be release as soon as different sites stated it will be. We'll see.
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That's my thought too. The key part of his tweet to me is "this week". That means there (likely) won't be a developer release right now, but it also implies that next week there very likely could be.

dkp1977 said:
Brandon Watson from Microsoft just tweeted:
WinRumors and neowin are not correct. Press reviews of consumer features are only thing happening this week.
Well, in about 24 hours we know what is true and what not.
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Yes but a lot of site have display/demoit regular devices that are running mango build.
Last site is here...
This means that there is a rom or update out there for those regular devices !!!!
Where is it ??? I want it ????

colossus_r said:
Yes but a lot of site have display/demoit regular devices that are running mango build.
Last site is here...
This means that there is a rom or update out there for those regular devices !!!!
Where is it ??? I want it ????
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That's the demo device. Microsoft has been handing out Samsung Focus pre-loaded with Mango pre-release for reviews.

out there are also hd7 and mozart phones runing mango
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That's awesome!! Thanks for this great news

Hey guys,
Here's the new full story:
WP7: Mango beta process detailed, delay explained, new unannounced features
You can read about it in the story, but essentially whats happened is Microsoft delayed it and is still planning on releasing the update this week. Here's hoping, right?!

Windows Phone Mango released to manufacturing (RTM)

Seems Microsoft is moving full steam ahead we have RTM!!!http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-7-mango-released-to-manufacturers-in-carrier-testing/

rruffman said:
Seems Microsoft is moving full steam ahead we have RTM!!!http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-7-mango-released-to-manufacturers-in-carrier-testing/
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a subject already exist http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1170721&page=2
but great news for us

Well yeah at the end of August we will see the first new phones, but Microsoft always said that consumers will get Mango in the fall.
So it's nice to hear they have RTM'd, but September is already fall and with carrier testing and OEM testing I doubt will get it earlier.

slimshady322 said:
Well yeah at the end of August we will see the first new phones, but Microsoft always said that consumers will get Mango in the fall.
So it's nice to hear they have RTM'd, but September is already fall and with carrier testing and OEM testing I doubt will get it earlier.
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we can hope that got it earlier
http://www.wpcentral.com/ATT-dell-venue-pro-not-shipping-till-8-30-getting-mango-speculation

"fall" is only two months away, as of tomorrow. Just to keep things in perspective.
It seems reasonable to expect the testing and certification by phone manufacturers and carriers to take at least two months, which would be consistent with all of the timelines that have been "leaked" over the past few months. Many rumors indicated that Mango would RTM in July (which it has), and that new Mango-equipped hardware would begin to hit retailers by late August/early September (which also appears to be accurate - remember, no one ever said they would be available worldwide at that time).
Add in another month to complete manufacturer/carrier testing for existing devices, and deal with the logistical issues around preparing for the distribution, and people on reasonable carriers could easily start seeing the update on their phones in early October. People on AT&T will probably see it by June of next year.

Already reported by Microsoft themselves that Windows Phone 7 Mango has not RTM'd yet. Which is good IMO, because I'd rather them work on it as much as possible.

prjkthack said:
Already reported by Microsoft themselves that Windows Phone 7 Mango has not RTM'd yet. Which is good IMO, because I'd rather them work on it as much as possible.
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it is now

http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_...ws-phone-mango-released-to-manufacturing.aspx

I'm going to hope (probably in vane) that the RTM is leaked onto the internets somehow. I've had minimal dramas with the mango beta, so I'd like to get onboard with the RTM ASAP.

Demaar said:
I'm going to hope (probably in vane) that the RTM is leaked onto the internets somehow. I've had minimal dramas with the mango beta, so I'd like to get onboard with the RTM ASAP.
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how will hoping you know about the direction of wind help mango leak?!
i will hope in vain as well, but maybe we'll get lucky and it will leak out (or even be released in short order)
wasn't that new toshiba phone msft is showing today/tomorrow supposed to be running mango?

prjkthack said:
Already reported by Microsoft themselves that Windows Phone 7 Mango has not RTM'd yet. Which is good IMO, because I'd rather them work on it as much as possible.
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Well, it looks like you got more time. Only 4 days worth, but still...
Seriously, though, It seems obvious now that the code was already frozen when the original report "leaked", but that the hand-off to handset makers and operators was not complete. Now it is.
So, we are still on track (barring ridiculous manufacturer/carrier delays) to see people actually receive the update by late September/early October. And, if Nokia does have hardware ready to go (which seems evident), we may see Mango-equipped new phone models very quickly.

kinda news ?
i was expecting more today, like a NEW mango finalized device displayed somewhere..
is this only a rtm announcement ?
anyone know if there will be a 2 stage release to end users like nodo had to make carriers actually push updates to phones ?
...waiting for some hard news...

I'm hoping that I'll connect to Zune soon and see that an update is available. I'd like full Twitter integration in my Mango.

ohgood said:
anyone know if there will be a 2 stage release to end users like nodo had to make carriers actually push updates to phones ?
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I'm not sure what you're asking. All WP7 updates go through a certification process with both handset manufacturers and mobile operators. But neither of those entities "push" the updates to phones. Update delivery only happens through Microsoft (i.e., Zune).
So, what is happening now is that the other companies involved have received their copies of Mango for final testing and sign-off. They had likely already received earlier builds, so they could begin development of new features and/or apps (thanks to all of the new capabilities they might want to capitalize on), but now the clock is ticking on them. They complete the sign-off, send back to Microsoft any modifications they have made specific to their hardware or mobile service, and then Microsoft combines those into various bundles that ultimately get delivered to our phones.
The one exception to that rule is unbranded phones, which will probably receive the update before carrier-branded ones, since there is only one level of sign-off needed before the update can be made available.
The big question is whether Microsoft will be able to apply more pressure to carriers (especially AT&T) to sign-off in a timely manner. On this issue, let's just say that I have my doubts.
Out of curiosity, did we ever get a notice of the specific date that NoDo went RTM? I don't recall seeing one. Maybe the fact that Microsoft is being so vocal this time around is part of their plan to "motivate" carriers.

This is fantastic. Like others Im hoping someone leaks the latest build so XDA members can get their fingers dirty.

RoboDad said:
I'm not sure what you're asking. All WP7 updates go through a certification process with both handset manufacturers and mobile operators. But neither of those entities "push" the updates to phones. Update delivery only happens through Microsoft (i.e., Zune).
So, what is happening now is that the other companies involved have received their copies of Mango for final testing and sign-off. They had likely already received earlier builds, so they could begin development of new features and/or apps (thanks to all of the new capabilities they might want to capitalize on), but now the clock is ticking on them. They complete the sign-off, send back to Microsoft any modifications they have made specific to their hardware or mobile service, and then Microsoft combines those into various bundles that ultimately get delivered to our phones.
The one exception to that rule is unbranded phones, which will probably receive the update before carrier-branded ones, since there is only one level of sign-off needed before the update can be made available.
The big question is whether Microsoft will be able to apply more pressure to carriers (especially AT&T) to sign-off in a timely manner. On this issue, let's just say that I have my doubts.
Out of curiosity, did we ever get a notice of the specific date that NoDo went RTM? I don't recall seeing one. Maybe the fact that Microsoft is being so vocal this time around is part of their plan to "motivate" carriers.
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i don't know how to be more clear with my question.
i can't see att caring about what microsoft says about signing off. they aren't exactly pushing wp products, and could care less about an update that will -not- sell another contract/phone to existing customers. an iphone hardware update on the other hand, oh yes yes yes, they love that stuff.
i did see a couple of blog posts (via my android news aggregator) stating that there would be a mango hardware unveil today, along with the rtm statement. apparently, bloggers jumped the gun, again.
the rtm statement is really a non-news worthy event. "we released something to someone, so sometime soon you might have a something for your phone. maybe." really that's all it is.
now HARDWARE... that's something i can understand there being threads and news about. say, searay or whatever the supposed new SHIPPING device is, that's news.
anyway, back to my jonesing for new tech... maybe endgadget or someone has some cool news... rss update time

ohgood said:
i don't know how to be more clear with my question.
i can't see att caring about what microsoft says about signing off. they aren't exactly pushing wp products
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Pushing products in a store and pushing updates to existing phones have nothing to do with each other. So I still don't understand your original question about carriers pushing the update to our phones. They don't push the update, Microsoft does.

Microsoft: The delivery of Mango is now in the hands of handset makers

Peter Wissinger, the director for Microsoft’s Mobile Business Group in the Nordic countries, has made an “official” statement about the delivery handsets running Mango, saying the software was completed ahead of schedule.
He writes (translated)
Official statement: Now it’s up to our manufacturing partners to release mangos to our customers. Microsoft has delivered complete mango earlier than planned to the manufacturers. Feels good now.
It’s good to see a re-invigorated Microsoft who not only meet their ship targets but exceeds then, a far cry from the slow pace we were used to in the Windows Mobile days.
The statement may mean either we will see devices early than expected, such as the Fujitsu IS12T next week, or that some devices may come over a longer period, rather than all at once like last year.
The former is however more likely, as most Windows Phones are in need of being replaced in the market with new devices with improved specs, so I still expect we will see a good bunch of new Windows Phones released over the next few months.
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colossus_r said:
Peter Wissinger, the director for Microsoft’s Mobile Business Group in the Nordic countries, has made an “official” statement about the delivery handsets running Mango, saying the software was completed ahead of schedule.
He writes (translated)
Official statement: Now it’s up to our manufacturing partners to release mangos to our customers. Microsoft has delivered complete mango earlier than planned to the manufacturers. Feels good now.
It’s good to see a re-invigorated Microsoft who not only meet their ship targets but exceeds then, a far cry from the slow pace we were used to in the Windows Mobile days.
The statement may mean either we will see devices early than expected, such as the Fujitsu IS12T next week, or that some devices may come over a longer period, rather than all at once like last year.
The former is however more likely, as most Windows Phones are in need of being replaced in the market with new devices with improved specs, so I still expect we will see a good bunch of new Windows Phones released over the next few months.
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we're
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpFg52bpzZM&feature=related
doomed...

domineus said:
we're
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpFg52bpzZM&feature=related
doomed...
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LOL ..Yes ..some operators have big problems on delivering the update...

What about those who have unbranded devices ?

Extreme boy said:
What about those who have unbranded devices ?
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Same question. Were supposed to get it from Microsoft, right?

Everyone will get it from Microsoft (via Zune). But no one will get it until the manufacturers deliver their device-specific updates back to Microsoft, so they can create the different device delivery bundles.
If your phone is unbranded, you should not have to wait for the carrier-specific updates to be sent back to MS, which is where most of the delay usually comes from.

Check your zune software for updates.......

Has everyone started getting mango updates from zune now??

How about HTC?

Purple11 said:
Has everyone started getting mango updates from zune now??
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nope
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Not yet ..only problem with htc marketplace seems can't update my since connection setup since yesterday.Can't download from them alsnly Zune marketplace possible to download.

Zune 4.8 official update is now available

Extreme boy said:
Zune 4.8 official update is now available
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Yup it is.. im downloading

how did you all get that 4.8.I went to their site it's only 4.7.

I just download the new zune 4.8 fromtheir site<i would like to know whether it is compatible with NODO?

Ttblondey said:
I just download the new zune 4.8 fromtheir site<i would like to know whether it is compatible with NODO?
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Yes it is. I'm running NoDo 7392 with Zune 4.8

Mango flashing tool available

Anyone used it?
http://wmpoweruser.com/samsung-omnia-7-mango-flashing-tool-available/

if i understand, this is SIM unlock...

dxdy said:
if i understand, this is SIM unlock...
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This is SIM unlock on the video, they promise to release a proper Mango flashing tool once they get 1000 followers.
http://twitter.com/#!/SamFirmware/status/110454816890818560/photo/1

dont know but dont belive him... hope i was wrong

It's out!
https://twitter.com/#!/SFUnlock

It was already out before they uploaded it their website...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1249329

kkw620 said:
It was already out before they uploaded it their website...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1249329
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Yeah I've seen that thread. From the comments it's a branded ROM so I'll pass. It's a shame Microsoft is taking so long, I thought they would have made to sure to have it out before Apple announces the iPhone 5.

Peew971 said:
It's a shame Microsoft is taking so long, I thought they would have made to sure to have it out before Apple announces the iPhone 5.
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It's not MS, it's the OEM's. Mango is already RTM aka Released to Manufacturers.
Manufacturers = OEM's = HTC/LG/Samsung/Dell/Nokia/Etc.

drkfngthdragnlrd said:
It's not MS, it's the OEM's. Mango is already RTM aka Released to Manufacturers.
Manufacturers = OEM's = HTC/LG/Samsung/Dell/Nokia/Etc.
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What do you mean it's the OEM's? I'm talking about releasing the update to existing phones, the green light is up to Microsoft isn't it? At least for unlocked/unbranded phones it might be.

Peew971 said:
What do you mean it's the OEM's? I'm talking about releasing the update to existing phones, the green light is up to Microsoft isn't it? At least for unlocked/unbranded phones it might be.
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MS released it to OEM's. MS has officially stated it is now in their hands.

Peew971 said:
What do you mean it's the OEM's? I'm talking about releasing the update to existing phones, the green light is up to Microsoft isn't it? At least for unlocked/unbranded phones it might be.
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Even unlocked/unbranded phones need to have hardware-specific updates from the OEMs completed before Microsoft releases the official update.

Yeah I know that but evidently some updates are ready (Omnia 7 for instance, we also heard the HTC ones might be done). There would be no harm in releasing these, it would at least ensure deployment is gradual.
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Peew971 said:
Yeah I know that but evidently some updates are ready (Omnia 7 for instance, we also heard the HTC ones might be done). There would be no harm in releasing these, it would at least ensure deployment is gradual.
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Here's what happens. MS RTM's Mango. OEM's than test & make their customizations. OEM's submit this back to MS to verify. MS verifies their updates to meet quality of end user experience. MS than signs the update with a security certificate & puts the update on their server. If the OEM changes cause problems/bugs, it's returned to the OEM to be fixed. The end of the story is it's up to the OEM to make their updates/changes/customizations in a timely manor & without major/noticeable problems.

Like I said I know how the system works but surely Microsoft is/would hold back on ready updates to release them all at the same time. As evidence, the Omnia 7 update is ready, would have been nice to have it out straightaway.
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Peew971 said:
Like I said I know how the system works but surely Microsoft is/would hold back on ready updates to release them all at the same time. As evidence, the Omnia 7 update is ready, would have been nice to have it out straightaway.
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I'd doubt they're holding it back. Please give the source of this rumor.
EDIT: The only thing I'm seeing is there's a firmware update for the Omnia 7 to make it "Mango Ready" & fix some bugs. Considering this & all the issues Samsung WP7 devices have had with their Firmware, I highly doubt they have Mango ready & if they do, it'll probably fail the quality control check. Isn't there still Focus v1.3(?) users who still don't have NoDo?

drkfngthdragnlrd said:
Isn't there still Focus v1.3(?) users who still don't have NoDo?
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All Focus users are (finally) able to receive NoDo. However, Focus 1.3 users still have not received the 7392 security update, despite it being available to every other WP7 device for four months.
Regarding the Omnia 7 rumor, if the update were officially ready, it would appear on the "Where is my phone update page". There is a separate section for "open market phones". Since nothing appears there (in fact, there is no Mango column at all yet), I think it is safe to assume that the update isn't ready.

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All Focus users are (finally) able to receive NoDo. However, Focus 1.3 users still have not received the 7392 security update, despite it being available to every other WP7 device for four months.
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Ah, okay, thanks for the clarification. I knew I heard something about them not receiving an update.

Looks like I was right regarding Microsoft holding back the Mango update, that seems so obvious to me as we know the HTC updates are ready, they were leaked. The Samsung ones are probably ready too. Now this info comes out from Vodafone Australia, they're done testing the update and are waiting on Microsoft to deliver it:
http://www.wpcentral.com/vodafone-austrailia-finishes-mango-testing-awaiting-green-light?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wmexperts+%28wpcentral%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

drkfngthdragnlrd said:
Here's what happens. MS RTM's Mango. OEM's than test & make their customizations. OEM's submit this back to MS to verify. MS verifies their updates to meet quality of end user experience. MS than signs the update with a security certificate & puts the update on their server. If the OEM changes cause problems/bugs, it's returned to the OEM to be fixed. The end of the story is it's up to the OEM to make their updates/changes/customizations in a timely manor & without major/noticeable problems.
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HTC already said their Mango ROMs are ready to go. So his question was valid. Why aren't the unlocked/unbranded HTC phones getting Mango, yet?

Peew971 said:
Looks like I was right regarding Microsoft holding back the Mango update, that seems so obvious to me as we know the HTC updates are ready, they were leaked. The Samsung ones are probably ready too. Now this info comes out from Vodafone Australia, they're done testing the update and are waiting on Microsoft to deliver it:
http://www.wpcentral.com/vodafone-austrailia-finishes-mango-testing-awaiting-green-light?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wmexperts+%28wpcentral%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
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That is what I've been saying as well. I believe they have been waiting until everyone is ready (or at least the big players) before announcing the update, in order to avoid the bad press that the NoDo fiasco brought.
HTC and Samsung are both ready (the combination of leaked ROMs and Mango updates to their marketplace apps supports this idea). Now we know that Vodafone is ready, and it wouldn't surprise me if (gasp!) AT&T is also ready, after reading their press release from Monday. So the question is, what about the rest of the carriers and current handset makers? And is there any reason they would hold back until Nokia announces their new offerings?

[Rumor] Mango to be released next week.

According to this article on wmpoweruser.com - which referres to a windowsphone dev podcast, Mango will start to be released next week. Which is a little sooner than expected, since it was rumored to be released in the end of september.

dkp1977 said:
According to this article on wmpoweruser.com - which referres to a windowsphone dev podcast, Mango will start to be released next week. Which is a little sooner than expected, since it was rumored to be released in the end of september.
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Some said 15th earlier, which is on next week's Thursday. I hope this is true. Time for me to play those registry tricks to see if I can install extra languages.
But not sure if DVP will follow this schedule.......

The way Microsoft and reliable sources are talking, it seems as though Microsoft may have used some of its strength on carriers and we'll see a much more expedited release. That isn't to say some, or many, won't be delayed, but I doubt it'll be a NoDo type delay.

I will be amazed if my phone gets the update this side of Christmas and I refuse to het my hopes up

SO, what will we do if we have 7720 eh? Roll all the way back to Nodo?

Strike_Eagle said:
SO, what will we do if we have 7720 eh? Roll all the way back to Nodo?
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Yup, that's why we were supposed to back up our backup.

I think this time around, once MS announces the Mango update rollout schedule, most of the devices will get it fairly quickly. MS should have learnt a thing or two from the NoDo episode.
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@Henry I think Dell may be on board. I called last week about a replacement DVP and was told they were out of stock and to call back Sep 16 to get my replacement shipped out.
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Keep in mind, The marketplace started accepting apps for Mango a few weeks ago. No Dev is going to release new apps for NoDO when Mango will offer more features in the API and everyone should have it soon.
Microsoft has a big push in getting Mango in everyone's hands ASAP.
The question is, how it will be done, the leaked roms from HTC are making people nuke their phones to install it, most carriers are going to want people to do it as a upgrade, because of data loss=support nightmare.
Time will tell but, I will bet it will be within the next 2 weeks for 90% of the carriers (huge carriers almost 99%)

Sadly MS is highly unpredictable. There was an overflow of rumors and statements made about the condition of WP7 upon initial release, which panned out to be false. Then there was another wildly overflowing number of rumors and statements made about the release of NoDo. NoDo was finally released when nobody really even cared anymore.
Mango was initially set for Sep./Oct of this year. If it happens, it will be the first time in recorded human history where MS has kept a date.

Strike_Eagle said:
SO, what will we do if we have 7720 eh? Roll all the way back to Nodo?
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entire thread devoted to that question.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1257690
going by snickler's post there is a chance that we might not have to roll back if on 7220.68. Only time will tell...

Still on 7712 here. Didn't get the unofficial 7720 because not much is different in it. Im hoping I don't have to go back to nodo. Even though I have a backup (multiple in fact) its just annoying to lose my settings from mango. hopefully I can go from 7712 to official mango
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7712 directly to official is highly unlikely as 7712 is beta and in the beta que. As has been said, 7720.68 may be back into the official release que (carrier and oem updates seem to come through) so a 7712 to 7720.68 to official release just might be a feasible update path that doesn't lose anything. Time will tell.
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Have to agree with martylk, even if Microsoft get mango out this week, the carriers will svree things up for sure.
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Microsoft completed Mango in July. What we are waiting on right now is the carriers (and handset makers, although it does appear that most/all of them are done now). If a release is announced in the coming days, it will be because the carriers have completed their testing and possible changes, and submitted whatever they have back to Microsoft, not because we are still waiting on them.

Yep if telenav breaks all the customers get boned cause the carrier wants their 9.99/mo... Its pretty sad, but I'm starting to think about dropping my smartphones (4 a dumbphone) and getting a 7" tab to save money and not have to deal with that in th future. this seems not o be worth it anymore...
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MartyLK said:
Mango was initially set for Sep./Oct of this year. If it happens, it will be the first time in recorded human history where MS has kept a date.
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No it has been announced for "fall", which last up until December 21st.
Everything else is speculation and rumors.

slimshady322 said:
No it has been announced for "fall", which last up until December 21st.
Everything else is speculation and rumors.
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Do a Google search and find the info. It said actually Aug./Sept., but I fudged a little for people to not have a **** fit.

Info released today: http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=21053&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=32754&mapcode=consumer%7Cmobile-devices
AT&T will be among the first carriers to start updating existing phones and all Windows Phones already sold by AT&T will receive the Windows Phone 7.5 update this fall.
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MartyLK said:
Do a Google search and find the info. It said actually Aug./Sept., but I fudged a little for people to not have a **** fit.
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I did a Google search and all I found was officially "fall" + a lot of rumors.
If you show me a link I might stand corrected though.